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What about DOS-11? (was: Does anybody care about XXDP?)

by lists＠subatomix.com

[CCers: found this on info-pdp11, though it might be good on CC] On Friday, August 2, 2002, Frank Arnold wrote: > DOS-11 was (to the best of my knowledge) the predecessor of RSX-11D, and > more or less the first disk-implementation of the famous > "papertape-programming software package" for PDP-11. I haven't heard much talk about DOS-11 or DOS/BATCH (same thing?) on the various lists. Is that because nobody cares to mess with it, or is it because it and its manuals are unobtanium? I have about 200 or so DECtapes that came with my 11/20, and I believe that DOS-11 and several versions of FORTRAN-11 are stored on them. The previous owner also believed that he left DOS-11 running in the core as well. This is going to be a fun machine to play with when I get around to it. -- Jeffrey Sharp The email address lists(a)subatomix.com is for mailing list traffic. Please send off-list mail to roach jss at wasp subatomix beetle dot com. You may need to remove some bugs first.

23 years, 8 months

Fwd: Re: Great Find

by kdowd＠navix.net

John, Here's a USN site with a small fact sheet. http://www.ntsc.navy.mil/Files/DEVICE_INVENTORY/Final//6F12.pdf Kevin. >Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:00:50 -0500 >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >From: "Dowd(s)" <kdowd(a)navix.net> >Subject: Re: Great Find > >John, > >The Logi-Tran 4 was the follow on to the Logi-Tran 2. I used both to >teach EE370 in 1979 or 1980. As you've no doubt learned by now, it's >basically a "50 in 1"-ish logic trainer with spring connectors, switches >(inputs), lights (outputs), and of course, the logic ckts themselves. It >was a great trainer for our digital lab (I was the TA). > >I remember making a 4 bit calculator with one of my more talented students >by hooking up a Logi-Tran 2 and a Logi-Tran 4 (we used lots of gates) side >by side. > >If you've let it sit because of the lack of a manual, just start setting >up the ckt emulation of a logical statement (I seem to remember that the >Logi-Tran used NORs and NANDs). There was some limit on the output drive >of each gate, but my memory doesn't have all the details. > >Hope you have had fun. Let me know if you get bored with it and want to >get rid of it. > >Later... > >Kevin Dowd

23 years, 8 months

Great Find

by kdowd＠navix.net

John, The Logi-Tran 4 was the follow on to the Logi-Tran 2. I used both to teach EE370 in 1979 or 1980. As you've no doubt learned by now, it's basically a "50 in 1"-ish logic trainer with spring connectors, switches (inputs), lights (outputs), and of course, the logic ckts themselves. It was a great trainer for our digital lab (I was the TA). I remember making a 4 bit calculator with one of my more talented students by hooking up a Logi-Tran 2 and a Logi-Tran 4 (we used lots of gates) side by side. If you've let it sit because of the lack of a manual, just start setting up the ckt emulation of a logical statement (I seem to remember that the Logi-Tran used NORs and NANDs). There was some limit on the output drive of each gate, but my memory doesn't have all the details. Hope you have had fun. Let me know if you get bored with it and want to get rid of it. Later... Kevin Dowd

23 years, 8 months

Zenith Data Systems ZWL-3202-6

by chaplainjones＠earthlink.net

Can someone direct me to some documentation for this computer? Maybe a owners manual. Also, I am looking for the specs on the co-processor and ram especially. Happy Computing, Alan

23 years, 8 months

Differences between the Double Eurocard and VME

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

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23 years, 8 months

Differences between the Double Eurocard and VME

by RMeenaks＠OLF.COM

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23 years, 8 months

Available : Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab.

by sipke＠wxs.nl

If you are not in a hurry You can choose betweeen a Kaypro II (5.25"Floppy) or a Grundy (Harddisk and 8" Floppy based) The Grundy comes with loads of software (i.e ZCPR3) and documentation. The Grundy system is build in some kinda DEC-towercase cause the original DESK-system (not desktop that is ..) was too lumpy. I didn't use these systems for a couple of years but they should be OK. I'm going from the Netherlands (Noordwijk) to France around 20 Sept.2002........ Sipke de Wal --------------------------------------------------- http://xgistor.ath.cx --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "jos.mar" <jos.mar(a)bluewin.ch> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: Available : Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab. > > But not, as usual, in the west of the USA, but in the east of Belgium. > Local pickup only, of course... > > 2x Z80, 8080, 6800 and 2650. All in one single system. > > BTW : a nice CP/M machine would make an ideal trade... > > > Jos Dreesen >

23 years, 8 months

Tips/leads for Nat Semi 32k system(s)?

by smj＠crash.com

Anybody have a suggestion for locating some kind of system based on the Nat Semi 32k family? At this stage the only preference I'd state is that it be a vaguely "open" platform (e.g. CompuPro's old 32016 S-100 board - I'd love a system built around one of these) or run some flavor of Unix (a la Nat Semi's Genix boxes or the Tektronix workstations). I followed Bruce Culbertson's 32016 design way back when, and of course Dave Rand et alia's pc532 board. I even have a 32k design kit from Nat Semi around here somewhere, but never got started on my ambitious plans of building something from Bruce's design. Suggestions or even just reminiscences would be welcome. Thanks, --Steve. -- Steve Jones uunet!crash.com!smj Arlington, Mass. CRASH!! Computing http://www.crash.com/people/smj 781 / XXX - XXXX "Your information doesn't sleep. Why should your programmers?"

23 years, 8 months

Available : Tektronix 8002 microprocessor lab.

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

But not, as usual, in the west of the USA, but in the east of Belgium. Local pickup only, of course... 2x Z80, 8080, 6800 and 2650. All in one single system. BTW : a nice CP/M machine would make an ideal trade... Jos Dreesen

23 years, 8 months

PING Sellam

by nerdware＠laidbak.com

I tried to contact you offlist but got a dns lookup error on siconic.com... is that the wrong address, or were there network problems? Thanks. Paul Braun WD9GCO Cygnus Productions nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com "A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without a bunch of bricks tied to its head."

23 years, 8 months

OT: Digital Watch Recommendations?

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>Must remember old saying....Must remember old saying....Must remember old >saying.... > >"30 days has September, April June and November." I forget exactly how the >rest of it goes, but I know it mentions "except February alone". You know the knuckle trick, right? (Punch someone until they tell you? No, no..) Make fists, fingers away from you and thumbs tucked under fingers. Put hands together, index fingers touching along their (curved) length. Now count knuckles and gaps between knuckles, leaving out the gap between hands. Like this: Left pinkie knuckle - up, 31 days, January. Space - down, 28(9) days, February. Left ring finger knuckle - up, 31 days, March. Space - down, 30 days, April .... Left index finger knuckle - up, 31 days, July. Right index finger knuckle - up again, 31 days, August space on right hand - down, 30 days, September Right big finger knuckle - up, 31 days, October ..... HTH, - Mark

23 years, 8 months

Anyone using their old Mac?

by mythtech＠mac.com

>It would be more useful to be to be able to connect a S6 Mac to the >Internet from any phone socket which is why I was trying to do it dial up. >It is has to go via another machine, then there isn't any advantage. >Obviously you can ethernet another mac to your iMac. If you are going System 6 to Dialup, you should have no problems. You just need MacTCP and a PPP client (I believe there is one available as part of a MacTCP bundle, if not I believe FreePPP is S6 compat.) The 2nd machine to act as a MacIP router was only if you are doing TCP/IP over AppleTalk, which isn't needed if you have either an ethernet card, or are going thru a dialup modem connected directly to the S6 mac. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 8 months

NS32k based system

by classiccmp＠crash.com

> I've got a NatSemi ICM-3216 that I'd like to get an OS for. Just occurred to me that there might be another answer, though it may not be what you had in mind... Bruce Culbertson ported Minix to his own 32016-based design, then to the PC532. This was before NetBSD, or even 386BSD - heck, Bruce had probably started the port before the Net 2 release... I'd thought I'd found a copy at ftp.funet.fi, but it turned out just to be a SCSI driver and a utility to talk to his ROM. I'm groveling through old NetBSD/pc532 postings looking for clues, and will likely contact some of those folks if I don't find anything. No idea what it might take to port NetBSD to the ICM-3216. But if someone were to give me one... Well shucks, had to try. ;^) -- Steve Jones smj(a)spamfree.crash.com Arlington, Mass. CRASH!! Computing (Remove the "spamfree" portion) 781 / XXX - XXXX "The measure of an operating system is in the abstractions it provides." -- Daniel L. Murphy, creator of TECO

23 years, 8 months

HEADERS?

by cisin＠xenosoft.com

Can somebody more familiar with such confirm whether that is indeed Richard Erlacher's machine that sent the following copy of Klez? (Headers only follow) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: <edick(a)idcomm.com> Received: from mailhost.idcomm.com (mailhost.idcomm.com [207.40.196.14]) by lmi.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA05488 for <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Dqza (dsl-res156.idcomm.com [216.98.199.156]) by mailhost.idcomm.com (8.10.2/8.10.0) with SMTP id g6V2HSJ01036 for <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:17:29 -0600 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:17:29 -0600 Message-Id: <200207310217.g6V2HSJ01036(a)mailhost.idcomm.com> From: JPLCSCH <JPLCSCH(a)aol.com> To: cisin(a)xenosoft.com Subject: Dialog under MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Q37LE02W0269aCiF037Kl967jS3g6 Content-Length: 177741

23 years, 8 months

Anyone using their old Mac?

by foo＠siconic.com

Does anyone here still use their old (say pre-1990) Macintosh as a regular practice? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 8 months

Some Great Finds Today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Picked up the following while out with the wife and one of daughters: 1. Siemens T1000 telex with paper tape punch/reader, it needs some work to bring it back to life. Talked the guy down to $10 for it at the thrift. Anyone know were I can get some technical information on this unit, I tried google with no luck? 2. Burroughs C3660 calculator works great but did not get any of the program cards or manuals for it. Got it for $4.34 3. Some TTL Data Books from 1985. 4. Two HuCards for the TurboGrafx 16 console SplatterHouse and SideArms. 5. Panasonic R.E.A.L 3DO console with one controller for $15. It's a model FZ-1 6. A bunch of books and various cables.

23 years, 8 months

Free: Heath PDP-11-compatible 8" dual-drive unit

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a RX01-compatible dual-8" floppy drive unit made by Heath in the bottom of my closet.. I do *not* have the required Heath-made controller card to go with it... Free, YOU MUST PICK IT UP, in Austin, TX. This is too heavy to ship - heck, its almost too heavy to *move*. Probably weighs at least 75-100 lbs. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

23 years, 8 months

Help on IBM 3725

by aw288＠osfn.org

Does anyone have the doc set for an IBM 3725 Controller (fancypants terminal processor for mainframes)? I need to know exactly how to rewire this thing from 208 to 240 Volts, and it is complicated. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

23 years, 8 months

Vax 8600 on Ebay

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > I thought this would be a good canidate to post to the list. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2042185013 > > > > Is the seller or bidder here on the list? > > That's me. I like big iron, but it is just too big for me. There are other > vaxen that are still cool but are smaller and more compatible with my home's > electrical feed. I have a 730, for instance. It needs a new home. I was > waiting to see if someone was going to post a link to it. :-) > > I don't really expect the bids to go very high. eBay is just a way of > getting the message out. What would be really cool is to get some PDP > hardware in trade for it, but it is more important to find a good home for > it. Speaking of which, this week I talked to someone that threw out a PDP-11/70 as they couldn't find anyone that would take it. I told him that if I'd known I'm sure someone here would probably be interested. He's going to join the list soon. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

23 years, 8 months

NS32k based system

by aek＠spies.com

> I hadn't known specifically of a 4.2BSD port NSC's port of BSD is called Genix. One of the people who sold it was AIS (American Information Systems) out of Palo Alto who built a Qbus 32k board which ran Genix, and used RSX11 for I/O

23 years, 8 months

Anyone using their old Mac? (blacklord)

by ceby2＠csc.com

I've been staying at a Crown Plaza in Richmond on a consulting gig. Their whole cardkey access system is based around Macs. The have a special card programming interface that is shaped in the Mac's profile and bolted right to the side. I thought that was a rather good use for such equipment. Who the hell needs PIII to do that job? -Colin Eby CSC Consulting

23 years, 8 months

Early "open hw" projects (was Re: 32k boxen)

by classiccmp＠crash.com

> A little while ago I received an e-mail from one Lynne Greer Jolitz > talking about the 375. Any relation to Bill? Did Bill have a sex change > perhaps? I remember Bill's wife being very active and involved in 386BSD getting out into the world, possibly to the extent of taking some interviews. I believe her name is Lynn, but I'm not positive. > > Surely this box enjoyed a fair bit of success? . > Actually not. I suppose I should have inferred this from the fact that I hadn't run across or retained the name. Sad. But I'll defer on picking up the long sad thread of commercial Unix, etc. Doubtless considered too recent by many on the list. ;^) -- Steve Jones smj(a)spamfree.crash.com Arlington, Mass. CRASH!! Computing (Remove the "spamfree" portion) 781 / XXX - XXXX "The measure of an operating system is in the abstractions it provides." -- Daniel L. Murphy, creator of TECO

23 years, 8 months

DEC Star Coupler

by quapla＠xs4all.nl

Hi all, I have found a DEC board called 'CI START COUPLER'. There are two numbers on it, 5414216 and 5014215C. Were was/is it used for and is anybody interested in it (postage only). Ed -- The Wanderer | Politici zijn gore oplichters. quapla(a)xs4all.nl | Europarlementariers: zakkenvullers http://www.groenenberg.net | en neuspeuteraars. Unix Lives! M$ Windows is rommel! | Kilometerheffing : De overheid '97 TL1000S | weet waar je bent geweest!

23 years, 8 months

Early "open hw" projects (was Re: 32k boxen)

by classiccmp＠crash.com

I was poking around the links Jochen Kunz posted earlier, which led me to Dave Rand's web site. Dave, along with George Scolaro, were the originators of the PC532 project, both worked at Nat Semi at one point, and had a hand in several other 32k designs including the PD32 that was published in Byte magazine (Nov '85?) and then included as a reprint in the Nat Semi 32k Design Kit. (The PD32 was Dave, George, and one Trevor Marshall actually). There's an archive of the PC532 mailing list at www.bungi.com. I'd forgotten the excitement surrounding this when it started back in 88/89 - it was such a challenge and opportunity to the folks on comp.sys.nsc.32k and the Minix community, to actually pick it up and run with it... I'd be curious to hear about any other "open" hardware projects from this or an earlier era in the Unix community - say, 85-95, when the relentless progress of Moore's Law, Wintel, and Jolitz' 386BSD and its offspring made it impractical or at least less compelling to pursue this kind of thing seriously. While I'm thinking of Bill Jolitz - Jochen, thanks for bringing the Symmetric 375 to my attention. I was unaware of it, but love it - what a great little package! I'd love to get my hands on one... Surely this box enjoyed a fair bit of success? Time to Google... -- Steve Jones smj(a)spamfree.crash.com Arlington, Mass. CRASH!! Computing (Remove the "spamfree" portion) 781 / XXX - XXXX "The measure of an operating system is in the abstractions it provides." -- Daniel L. Murphy, creator of TECO

23 years, 8 months

NS32k based system

by classiccmp＠crash.com

Any number of folks probably have this but what the heck, I had it out... The Nat Semi Series 32000 databook from 1986 lists the following for the ICM-3216 eval board: ICM-3216 uses System V/Series 32000, a validated version of AT&T's Unix System V. System V/Series 32000 is a powerful, multi-tasking, multi-user operating system [...] I hadn't known specifically of a 4.2BSD port, but once I consulted Google I found an early NetBSD tech-kernel posting that mentions a port done at the University of Toronto. No idea how to lay hands on it, but if we could just get the changes it'd be a huge boost in getting e.g. NetBSD running on it. Just thinking that the 4.2BSD code would still be encumbered, etc. Come to think of it, I should see if there's anything on the UCB CSRG archive CDs I got from Kirk McKusick... -- Steve Jones smj(a)spamfree.crash.com Arlington, Mass. CRASH!! Computing (Remove the "spamfree" portion) 781 / XXX - XXXX The measure of an operating system is in the abstractions it provides. -- Daniel L. Murphy, creator of TECO

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