> On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Roger Merchberger wrote:
>
>> Define "real" -- Admittedly, the CoCo1's chicklet keyboard sucked bigtime,
>> but The CoCo2/3's keyboard is as good as anything made nowadays... (that's
>
> With one glaring exception: NO CONTROL KEY.
>
> What computer comes without a CONTROL key?
Sellam's been dying to bring that up. Did you notice that "Control" key on
that CoCo 3 of yours?
Anyway I think most CoCo 1-2 terminal emulators use the Break key as a
control key. Not very slick, but it worked.
What really sucked was the 32 column screen. I never bought one of the many
80 column cards, they were all serial based. Only useful under OS-9.
It is funny how many places you wil find Motorola's VDG (MC6847).
> That and the RF video out only with no built-in composite video output
> would have made the CoCo a complete lemon if it weren't for the
> brilliance of the users that managed to extend and expand it. And OS-9
> was also a definite plus.
I'm curious, what experience have you had with OS-9?
--
tim lindner tlindner(a)ix.netcom.com
"Life. Don't talk to me about life." - Marvin, the android
Cool. So you have an 11/750. I'm curious, what
did you do about powering it? I heard they require
three-phase 240V power.
best
john
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hechinger
Sent: Sat 9/14/2002 1:32 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: Who was looking for old VMS for an 11/750??
On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 12:33:51PM -0600, John Willis wrote:
> I'm looking for an actual 11/750 system. but this message has
> piqued my curiosity. Do 11/750s not run the VMS hobbyist
> kit from montagar?
* The minimum memory requirement for OpenVMS Vax Version 7.2 is 4
megabytes. Additional components, such as DECnet for OpenVMS VAX,
DIGITAL TCP/IP Services, or VAXcluster, require more memory to
ensure
satisfactory performance.
* The MA780 shared memory is not supported.
* You cannot install or upgrade to the OpenVMS VAX Version 7.2
operating
system on the following VAX computers and system disks:
Computers: MicroVAX I, VAXstation I, VAXstation 8000,
VAX--11/725,
and VAX--11/782
System disks: RK07, RL02, RC25, RD32, RD51, RD52, RD53, RZ22,
RZ25,
and RZ23L
so the answer is, with enough memory, and the right disks, yes you can.
however, the reasons for running pre-7.2 are usually nostalgic. i run
7.2 on
all my machines, but only because i'm new to VMS and don't need the
added
confusion of multiple versions. plus there is the fact that i have all
my
VAXen clustered, so they all need to be about the same version.
for nostalgia, i have an 11/750 that has 4.3 BSD on it since that was
where i
had my first unix account in college.
-brian
--
"Oh, shut up Buddha." -Jesus Christ (South Park)
I'm looking for an actual 11/750 system. but this message has
piqued my curiosity. Do 11/750s not run the VMS hobbyist
kit from montagar?
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hechinger
Sent: Sat 9/14/2002 11:07 AM
To: Classic CMP
Cc:
Subject: Who was looking for old VMS for an 11/750??
email me off list. i might be able to help you out.
-brian
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<ed> i'm trying to use a windows shell function to move a
directory...
<ed> and it reports that it failed with the error "the operation
completed
successfully"
I did get a private reply with a temporary pointer to the CS/80 spec so I
now have a copy.
Thanks to some help from Bob I got past the HP 2117F power supply issue so
now the box is not totally dead. Some day after I figure out a lot more
about how this system works I'll have to try building an HPIB cable to
connect to the 12821A disc interface in the system and see if I can get it
to talk to one of my CS/80 drives. Apparently this box has a CS/80 boot
prom which I have been told is not too common.
-Glen
>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
>Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>Subject: Re: HP CS/80 Instruction Set Programmers Manual (5955-3442) Date:
>Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:14:48
>
>At 11:22 PM 9/12/02 -0700, you wrote:
> >Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual that can be copied or
> >scanned, or is there a scanned copy on the net somewhere already?
>
>
> I think Frank McConnell has one. He used to be on this list but I
>haven't seen anything from him in quite a spell.
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Available in the Stockholm, Sweden area, I have to get rid of some computers due to the wife-is-getting-sort-of-mad-at-this-computer-collecting-business-problem and this one must go :
Deskstation Raptor 3, featuring :
Full Tower Case
Alpha 21164
UniFlex Motherboard
4 PCI / 3 ISA slots
Dual SCSI II ports
2 serial / 1 parallel ports
1.44 Floppy Drive
96MB RAM / 2MB SRAM Cache
1.9GB SCSI II Hard Drive
S3 something VGA card (will produce 1024x768 in 16bit color)
10/100 NIC with Digital chipset that works great with NT4
The computer works great. The only thing that needs replacing are two 8cm fans that was mounted in the front panel of the case. They were completely shot and I removed them a while ago.
Please email any bids, small or large to joacim at melin dot org. I will ship wherever but please bare in mind that this box runs on 220 volts power and purchaser will pay for all shipping costs and other fees.
I don't have any illusions of making a ton of money out of this box but I want it to find a good home and not being dumped somewhere, which is what will happen if I don't find a new owner for it.
To sum up - it's a great box. It won't run Linux or any flavor of BSD but it's still a great machine to run as a server. I have tried to boot the Windows 2000 RC1 beta on it but it never get's pass the boot screen...
Joacim
I've recently come into posession of two working Data General
AViiON AV530 workstations, and an as-yet un-tested AV410.
Copyrights on the PCBs indicate a 1990 provenence so I think
I'm okay WRT list rules... ;^)
First question: Anybody have bootable media that they could
see fit to duplicate or loan? None of the BSDs seem
to have made it to the DG m88k boxes, though many
people have asked and some work has been done.
(Last time I checked was a while ago, though...)
Second: Anybody have docs for this model, paper or 'lectronic?
Third: The AV530s are dual-capable - can I just pull the CPU from
one AV530 and pop it on top of the connector blocks
on the other AV530? Wouldn't mind hearing from someone
before I discover the answer myself via a smoke test...
There are jumpers that are labeled clearly WRT running
sinle- or dual-processor, but is there anything else I
need to know?
Thanks,
--Steve.
Steve Jones ...!uunet!crash.com!smj Arlington, Mass.
CRASH!! Computing (any spambots parse bang paths?)
"Chaos will ensue if the variable i is altered..." - SysV Programmers Guide
Hi,
Looking for a home is a Tricom Custodian II network security
controller. This is a device that sits between modems and equipment to
be protected (host computer/terminal server etc.), and provides a layer
of extra security, including ring-back.
This is a 19" rack-mounting unit with dual (one redundant) power
supplies. The frame itself consists of a backplane that accepts HD63B09
(6809 compatible) SBCs, each controlling two host/modem pails (four
serial lines). The frame accepts one Supervisory Module. and up to 16
Line modules (the cards are distinguished only by their firmware). The
Supervisory Module has connects to a serial log printer and a terminal.
With the frame comes the SM and four LMs, and cables to suit (so up
to eight lines could be protected).
There is a manual, too, but I have put it in a safe place, so it'll
have to follow the unit when it re-surfaces. The system is menu-driven,
and is fairly intuitive, so this should not be a problem.
I am looking for some sort of swap:- I would love a KA655 CPU for
my uVAX, perhaps with some (up to two) 16MB memory cards to suit, or a
very basic EIS '11 QBUS system (no need for storage, just
CPU/serial/memory). I am, of course, open to other offers...
The beast weighs in the region of 12Kg, plus cables, so collection
might be the best option (west Berkshire), although I'm sure that Parcel
Force would appreciate the business.
Cheers,
Dave.
Hi Hans
It just occurred to me that your system may have the
same problem mine did when I first got it. I was
seeing occasional bad reads. I took the drives apart
to clean the heads when I noticed something funny.
Both disk drives had terminators installed. I removed
one of these and my problems went away.
It was such a long time ago that I'd forgot about it.
While tracing down signals for my 512K fix, I noticed
the terminator R-Pack that I'd taped to the disk drive
( I try to follow the first rule of intelligent tinkering:
"Save All the Pieces" ). I had to go back through the
thought process of why it was there. Eventually, I
remembered that you were having drive problems. Strange
how the mind works sometimes.
Dwight
Hi
He should also be aware of the manuals at:
http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/digitalResearch/
and
http://www.retrocomputing-world.com/biblio/cpu/z8000/z8000.html
Chris and I are working on getting CPM-8000 up and running on
our M20's. It has been a slow project. I just yesterday figured
out how to get the machines to take 512K of RAM ( CPM8000
needed 128K of free RAM and the normal 224K system was
not big enough ).
Chris is already quite handy with the assembler but I've
mostly been looking at hardware issues with the help of the
manuals from Hans Pufal. Progress is being made but it
is slow. It takes me several hours to pull the 16K DRAMs
to stick in 64K one on the expansion boards. I currently
only have one card modified for a total of 256K ( w/ motherboard ).
When I do all three, I'll be at 512K ( a power user ).
Dwight
>From: "Christian Groessler" <cpg(a)aladdin.de>
>
>Hi,
>
>On 09/13/2002 10:55:11 PM ZE2 jurjen.kranenborg wrote:
>>
>>In case you still are looking for it, here's the link to the
>>officilial DR distribution of CP/M-8000 tuned to the M20:
>>http://www.cpm.z80.de/source.html
>>On this page you will find the link to CP/M-8000 distributions
>
>Thanks. I knew this already :-)
>
>
>>I have a few questions concerning the z8001 and accompanying
>>software, may I get in contact with you about this (I am planning to
>>build a Z8001 system myself (in the year 2002? Yes, because I bought
>>the parts in 1985 and I rediscovered them just recently)
>
>Yes, sure.
>
>regards,
>chris
>
>
Hi,
On 09/13/2002 10:55:11 PM ZE2 jurjen.kranenborg wrote:
>
>In case you still are looking for it, here's the link to the
>officilial DR distribution of CP/M-8000 tuned to the M20:
>http://www.cpm.z80.de/source.html
>On this page you will find the link to CP/M-8000 distributions
Thanks. I knew this already :-)
>I have a few questions concerning the z8001 and accompanying
>software, may I get in contact with you about this (I am planning to
>build a Z8001 system myself (in the year 2002? Yes, because I bought
>the parts in 1985 and I rediscovered them just recently)
Yes, sure.
regards,
chris
Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual that can be copied or
scanned, or is there a scanned copy on the net somewhere already?
I have a couple of CS/80 HPIB disk drives and I am curious how they are
controlled and would like to read the CS/80 programming manual if I can find
one.
The drives I have are a 9133H which is a combo 20MB hard drive and floppy
drive unit which I have used with my HP IPC, and a 2203A which is a whopping
670MB dual disk unit which I haven't hooked up to anything yet. Was that
the biggest CS/80 HPIB drive HP ever made? Some day I'll try interfacing
one of the drives to the HP 2117F box I have if I can ever figure out how to
get it to power up.
-Glen
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Wanted to buy:
Digital Equipment Corporation VAX 11/750 system
In New Mexico, West Texas or Arizona would be best as these are heavy
and expensive to ship.
John Perkins Willis
Software Engineer/Database Architect
Ariel Technologies
(505) 524-6860
jwillis(a)arielusa.com
> From: Eric Smith [mailto:eric@brouhaha.com]
>
>
> > Is that the article that claims that no smiley's were ever
> used before
> > 1982?
>
> He doesn't claim that. He claims that he independently
> invented it and started the use of it on the Internet.
>
Actually, if you go the the bottom of the page here...
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~sef/sefSmiley.htm
... I don't think he is claiming that he started the use of it, he seems to
only be concluding that. He says "...but it is pretty clear from the timing
that my suggestion was the one that finally took hold..."
Of course, everyone interprets written words in different ways...
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I have the opportunity to set up some ATM networking kit and I'd like to
include one of my SGI machines in the system. I'm looking for a GIO bus
ATM NIC for an Indy or Indigo2. I have a brand-new-in-box Newbridge VIVID
S-Bus ATM (OC-3, 155Mb/s) card with Solaris drivers to trade, preferably to
someone in the UK.
BTW, anyone (again, in the UK, because you'd have to collect it) want some
Newbridge ATM kit, going fairly cheap?
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
I have been asked if I can repair or replace a broken mouse.
It is for a CDC Cyber 910 workstation, the mouse is obviously
manufactured by Mouse Systems, its number is MSC 401162-006/E
The connection is a DE9 male connector which connects to the system
keyboard.
The problem is that the mouse was dropped and only one LED works. The
mouse allows horizontal cursor movement but not vertical.
If anyone has a replacement available or can provide additional
information please contact me off list.
-- hbp
On Sep 11, 23:55, Justin Frim wrote:
> $20 to anyone who can find me an MS-DOS driver for a Reveal external 2X
CD-ROM drive, model CD 610, FCC ID:
> 138-EXT-CDROMSLM
>
> Specifics:
> ISA controller card: Reveal Computer Products Inc, V1.2, FCC ID:
138-MMCD861
> CD-ROM drive: Matsushita-Kotobuki Electronics Industries Ltd, model
CD-563-B, FCC ID: IUO9TB008CRB
>
> DIP switch information for switch bank SW1 on the controller card would
also be useful.
Did you try a Google search? I did, after I discovered there wasn't enough
information in your message or my old Reveal manuals to be sure what I have
is what you want. The first hit for "reveal CD610" leads to this page:
http://ellingson.com/reveal/products/cdrom/
which will allow you to tell which model you really have, and download the
drivers atc.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Sep 12, 9:51, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> --- Carlos Murillo <carlos_murillo(a)epm.net.co> wrote:
> > >> Now I have another question: How do you connect the Fastpath 4's
> > >> DE-9 Localtalk connector to a phonenet network?
> > >With a standard (ancient) DE-9<->PhoneNet adapter. Barring that, I
> > >have made DIN-8 to DE-9 LocalTalk adapters
> >
> > >You would need a female DIN-8 connector to go the other way.
> >
> > That would be the trickiest part... I think that I should
> > try wiring the DE9 directly to a 4wire phone cable; it is easier
> > to find a phone cable than a female DIN8.
>
> That won't work. The LocalTalk/PhoneNet adapters are not passthrus.
> Apple LocalTalk adapters contain self-terminating connectors (the
> plastic pip in the end of the cable pushes on a switch that disengages
> the internal terminator; PhoneNet adapters use RJ-11s with
> external terminators), and both adapters contain at least a transformer,
> IIRC to couple the Mac to the network. There might also be a resistor
> or two in the adapter. I haven't opened up one in over 10 years.
All the commercial LocalTalk and Phonenet adaptors contain an isolating
transformer, which is carefully designed to preserve nice clean square
waves from one side of the interface to the other. Note that you can't
just use any old small transformer! There's a web page describing the
innards at
http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/apple2/MiscInfo/Hardware/appletalk.phonenet
It's also commonly believed that the Farallon Phonenet system using
unsheilded cable works better than Apple's own grounded shielded cable
system.
However, I have seen one DIY design that didn't use an isolating
transformer. Called CapNet, it was intended for small networks, and used
capacitors to acheive some degree of isolation. A slightly updated version
was claimed to work with printers and the like.
http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/HyperArchive/Abstracts/info/hdwr/at-connect…http://www.loten-am-mac.yucom.be/cap1.htm
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
$20 to anyone who can find me an MS-DOS driver for a Reveal external 2X CD-ROM drive, model CD 610, FCC ID:
138-EXT-CDROMSLM
Specifics:
ISA controller card: Reveal Computer Products Inc, V1.2, FCC ID: 138-MMCD861
CD-ROM drive: Matsushita-Kotobuki Electronics Industries Ltd, model CD-563-B, FCC ID: IUO9TB008CRB
DIP switch information for switch bank SW1 on the controller card would also be useful.
BTW, I'm not really offering $20... just gratitude. But that's priceless, right? ;)
And if anyone's wondering why I'd want to use such an old peripheral, it's because it's going on a
dedicated network server I'm setting up (FTP, HTTP, SMTP, NAT, Socks5, and DHCP). The server only needs a
CD-ROM for two things:
#1, installing the operating system (Win32. Don't laugh. I'm no UNIX pro) and software distributed by CD
(this is a one-time thing).
#2, providing an "online CD of the week" available for download by FTP and HTTP (the bottleneck will be in
the server's internet connection bandwidth anyways, not the CD-ROM speed)
Jochen Kunz wrote:
> On 2002.09.11 08:18 Roger Ivie wrote:
> > They used the VAXstation 3520 because they got a real good deal on
> > them from DEC, who was anxious to sell the thing. I designed the
> > interface between the 3520 and the MasPar which, AFAIK, was the
> > only 3rd party interface done for the 3520's proprietary MBUS.
> Du you still have access to doc about the VAXstation 3520 and its MBUS?
> NetBSD on a VS 3520 or 3540 would be so nice as NetBSD VAX supports SMP
> for more than a year now...
I do have some docs. The stuff I have is mostly hardware oriented; it
talks about the bus protocol more than the registers and console firmware
implementation, which is what you would be interested in. However, I'm
in the process of moving, so I'm not sure what box it would be in. I also
don't know what the NetBSD group's attitude toward underground document
shipments is; I acquired the stuff under NDA and was probably supposed to
destroy it when the project was over.
If someone had a good way to anonymously donate sensitive documents to
the NetBSD project, I might have several they would be interested in.
Or perhaps not. It may be the case that I could put my hands on a copy
of the MSCP spec, for instance. Or maybe I just talk big and don't actually
have that sort of stuff lying around. I definitely may or may not have a
copy of the SOC CPU spec, which could (or could not) be interesting to the
4000/VLC crowd. I could even have interesting and unusual pieces of hardware,
such as a couple of rtVAX400s if such things exist, but they don't, so I
clearly must not have any. Definitely not 3 of them. Not that it would
matter; if they did exist, there would probably be a nasty bug in the ASIC
anyway. Or maybe not.
> tsch??,
> Jochen
Aufwiederschreiben,
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
As a matter of fact, I do, but it's 206 pages... write me off-list & we'll
see
what we can do.
mike
-------Original Message-------
From: "Douglas Wood" <dbwood(a)kc.rr.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Cromemco 64KZ Info Needed
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:01:38 -0500
Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Any chance you have a copy of Cromemco's Macro Assembler for Z80 user
manual?
Douglas Wood
Software Engineer
dbwood(a)kc.rr.com
Home of the EPICIS Development System for the PIC and SX
http://epicis.piclist.com
At 02:43 PM 9/9/02 -0400, Sridhar wrote:
>On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Philip Pemberton wrote:
>
>> > Posessing a decoder not "authorized" by the MPAA
>> > so that you can watch your *own property* on some OS which the MPAA &
>> > friends felt was beneath their dignity to port to should /not/ be a
>> > crime.
>> Finally! Someone who shares my opinion :-)
>> I'm not buying a DVDROM for my PC due to region coding - if I want to buy a
>> DVD in the 'States to watch here in the UK, I'll go ahead and do it.
>
>There are ways around region coding.
Keep talking. I'm all ears.
Joe
At 01:01 AM 9/10/02 -0400, Bennett Paul wrote:
>
>
>Yeah? So?
>
>Maybe the ones you had were junk.
Or maybe he wasn't interested in squeezing every last penny out of them. I know for a fact that Fred doesn't make his living by selling HP-IB cards.
>
>Or maybe you didn't have the ability to properly manage your assets?
>
>You did end up going out of business, right?
I strongly suspect Fred has made a lot more money in his career than you'll ever see! Especialy with your attitude.
>
>Opinions are like assholes Fred, everybodys got one, and everybody elses
>stinks but your own.
That term certainy seems to apply to some people that never post on this list except to complain about other people (and then only post anonymously!) and only lurk on the list looking for bargains that they can turn around and make a fat profit on!
Joe
>
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1759281641
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1758428714
>
>
>
>
>At 11:49 AM 9/9/02 -0700, you wrote:
>>On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Mail List wrote:
>> > And Louis Schulman thought GPIB interfaces were worth only about $5
>>
>>Yeah? So?
>>He is certainly entitled to that opinion. Particularly since he can find
>>them at that price. When I closed out my office, that's more than I got
>>for them.
>
>
I think Warren Zevon has come up here a couple times. I figured I'd let
any fans that don't already know, know the bad news. I know my day is
ruined now.
Zane
September 12, 2002
Warren Zevon has inoperable cancer
Sep. 12, 2002
"Werewolves of London" rocker Warren Zevon, the singer-songwriter whose
satire, cynicism and wit went on display in the 1978 album "Excitable Boy,"
has been diagnosed with inoperable lung cancer, his publicist said
Thursday. Zevon, 55, was told of the terminal diagnosis last month by
doctors and he is spending time with his grown children, spokeswoman Diana
Baron said. The entertainer lives in Los Angeles. "He has been diagnosed
with lung cancer which has advanced to an untreatable stage," she said,
adding he's writing and recording as many songs as possible and will be in
the recording studio next week. Zevon said in a statement, "I'm OK with it,
but it'll be a drag if I don't make it till the next James Bond movie comes
out." (AP)
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I bet my 4381 weighs more... Scariest experience with it is a tie between it
teetering on the liftgate, and when it rolled away toward someone's car in
the parking lot... Thankfully I managed to steer it away, barely!
Will J
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