I spotted a few cards at the local dismantlers the other day, and I
wonder what they are:
- dual-height (2 card edge fingers) with a sticker reading " MTI Model
MSV05B" and a 50-pin header at the outside edge of the card
- quaad-height with a silk-screened Dilog logo and DQ130 model number
and 2 50-pin headers at teh ccard edge.
What are these?? They had several of each of these, condition unknown
(they were already pulled out of the machines), which I asked them to
put away for me for a few days. Does anybody need any?
One machine I also spotted there was labelled VaxStation II / GPX in a
BA123 enclosure. I"m not interested in the machine, but if anyone wants
cards from it, let me know....
On Oct 6, 21:34, Don Maslin wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, John Lawson wrote:
> > It boots from two Micropolis 51/4" half-height drives sitting in the
> > card bay of a card-less 11/23 chassis... which has been re-badged by
> > Centaur Software. The front panel switches control write-protect, now.
> > I don't have models right now, since I didn't work on that device yet.
> > But they connect to a Dilog DU686 controller card - a quad-height card
> > with one common 34-pin ribbon and individual 20-pin ribbons going to
each
> > (of 2 drives). This is... MFM, no? the original owner called them
SCSI
> > but somehow I think not.... Anybody have Doc on this Dilog card?
>
> Certainly not SCSI, but are either ST506/411 (what you called MFM) or
> ESDI. Check the controller capabilities or the interface of the drives
> before you swap in a different drive that "looks the same". The
> connectioons are NOT the same.
DQ686 is an ESDI controller, with MSCP protocol. Don's right, do not
connect ST506/412 drives to it or you'll release soe magic smoke!
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I have a Newton.. also the complete, never-used programming kit.. And a
spare LCD should anyone need one...
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MTI MSV05 = emulates DEC TSV05.. I have the manual for it... I think its a a
QIC controller, not sure off the top of my head..
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MTI MSV05 = emulates DEC TSV05.. I have the manual for it... I think its a a
QIC controller, not sure off the top of my head..
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should be 5.25", I think 1.44MB, and UNIX.
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Yesterday (and into the night), I powered up one of the two 11/44
machines rescued from San Diego. Did the usual thing of taking out the
cards, documenting cables, cleaning, dusting, and then turning things up
slow and watching voltages - no worries, the systaem came up and was
subsequently reassembled in it's as-acquired config.
It boots from two Micropolis 51/4" half-height drives sitting in the
card bay of a card-less 11/23 chassis... which has been re-badged by
Centaur Software. The front panel switches control write-protect, now.
I don't have models right now, since I didn't work on that device yet.
But they connect to a Dilog DU686 controller card - a quad-height card
with one common 34-pin ribbon and individual 20-pin ribbons going to each
(of 2 drives). This is... MFM, no? the original owner called them SCSI
but somehow I think not.... Anybody have Doc on this Dilog card?
The machine currently runs RSX-11M V4.2 G Build 58, or so it says. File
creations run from 1980 to 1997, when the machine was shut down. The
physical devices are mostly from '79 to '83.
It has Fortran, Basic, and Oregon Pascal V2 installed.
There is an RL02 system, working nicely, and couple of multi-line EIA
muxes, one DEC (M7819) DZ11 and a Ditronics 16-line EIA mux.
There is also a Digital Pathways SLC-1 real-time clock/calendar that
sits in the Console line and responds to certain interrogatories from the
System... fairly funky, IMHO.
It came with printsets for all major subsystems, and the Blue Wall, and
about 20 RL02 packs, most of which are blank.
If everything goes as planned, I will bring this machine to VCF5.0 and
let it be Played With.
And, looking back into the Files, it was Bill Bradford who first brought
this machine to the attention of Chris Kennedy, who referred it to me, and
voila! here it is warming my (pleasantly) chilly garage while we wait to
see if Autumn is going to actually stay for a while. It was pushing 90
here this afternoon... wierd! Should be fixing to snow....
So - now to wake up the Second System. Since this was a
mission-critical machine, there are actually two complete
identically-configured 11/44a and disk subsystems. The RL02 is shared by
changing cables to the machine in use, and the TTY lines are all hooked up
to a bank of DPDT mini switches (also by Centaurus Software) so that, if
one system crashes, the other can be cut over by changing one connector
and flipping the switches.
Anyway - not a particularly 'rare' or 'significant' system, but
certainly fun to mess around with. It certainly gets stares from my
nieghbors. One of the local kids looked in while it was running this
evening and asked "what's *that* thing?". I told him it was a computer.
"No Way!!"
Cheers
John
On Oct 6, 12:52, Zane H. Healy wrote:
> >5th or 6th edition would be more practical on this system, though you'd
> >probably have to write a TU58 driver.
> >
> >Eric
>
> I thought 5th & 6th were limited to Unibus systems.... For that matter,
> will 7th even run on a Q-Bus system?
7th Edition certainly runs on QBus. That's what one of my 11/23's is
running, and it was a development machine for Heriot-Watt University, when
they were the UK distribution centre. It has 256KB RAM and two RL02's on
an RLV11 controller. With a small tweak, 7th Edition will also run on an
11/73.
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Went to a large school auction Saturday and got lots of stuff real cheap.
There was hundreds of computers stuff at this auction. I got;
Epson PX-8 missing keyboard cover and ac adapter.
2 - IBM EduQuest Fifty-cs desktop computers that work fine, first time I had
seen these. I have several of the all-in-one units.
IBM type 3194 controller.
NEC MultiSync 6FGp 20" monitor for $1 and it works great.
Apple IIe platinum case and 6 external 51/4 floppy drives.
IBM Thinkpad 350c no charger but only cost $1
Compaq Contura 3/25c no charger but also was only $1
And I got about 15 P166 Compaq for less than $1 each along with one P266
Compaq, several IBM 486's desktop all for less than $1 each. There were some
Dell's in the lot also.
Also got a box full of game consoles that I have not checked yet but saw a
Genesis 16-bit and NES on top.
Went to unload the van at the warehouse and stopped at a couple of stores
and found these hp items:
hp 82162A Thermal Printer with one roll of paper.
hp 82169A HP-IL/HP-IB Interface unit.
A plastic bag hanging on the junk rack with a hp ac adapter 82059D; hp
82160A HP-IL module; and three different length hp cables for the above
units.
Also picked up a power supply for the Zenith Supersport 286 notebook.
Just purchased a digital Prioris HX 5133DP server at a auction and it is
password protected. It powers up ok and then ask for the admin password.
Does anyone know a work around to get into this system? Can put a new
version of NT 4 on top of it? I do have a legal CD that I got last year that
could install on top if I will not lose the drivers that are already on the
machine. Thanks in advance for any help.
Yesterday I ran across someone that has a fairly large supply of Tek
Oscilliscopes available with all the pluggins (I believe they're the 7704A
model). They were well cleaned prior to storage and they've been kept in a
very clean environment. He said prior to storing them they all worked, but
prior to selling any he'd want to recheck them.
I gather he wants a fair price (it sounded reasonable to me), and would be
willing to ship (for an additional cost).
If anyone is interested, let me know and I'll put you in contact with him.
Zane
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After their Xenix 8086 systems, they made 68k-based *NIX servers... I think
they were making x86 processor *NIX servers when Acer bought them.. I have a
3068EP, which is a 20MHz 68020 machine, needs manuals and software, plus
assorted case parts..
Will J
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Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> wrote:
> Does anyone have a pointer to the general history of Altos? Whatever
> happend to them?
Bought by Acer.
-Frank McConnell
Does anyone on the list know a source for the kits to change SIMMs to
SIPPs. I believe you soldered the tips on. Or better yet a source for these
hard to get 30 pin RAM chips.
Lawrence
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Well I used to have some model of EXOS ethernet interface that was QBus...
They were, at one point, owned by Novell.. The board even had Novell
silkscreened on it, was quite amusing to me.. I still have a multibus EXOS
card for a Masscomp.
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Hi all !
While reading in the *pile* of magtapes (on my left side; rightside
for the viewers ;-) I found a tape which doesn't look very familiar
to me:
Excelan
EXOS 8000-0101S
TCP/IP NETWORK SOFTWARE SOURCE PRODUCT
FOR OEM DEVELOPMENT
PN: 4408000-0101S REL: 3.3Zv7
It has three more labels, all of which warn about it's contents being
proprietary, confidential, yadda yadda. The usual :)
Question: what is this? Does anyone know, or remember, what the EXOS
8000S was? The contents (2.3MB or so) look like a UNIX dist of some
kind, with UNIX shell scripts for installation... the rest is probably
a compressed file with the sources.
Any ideas?
Thx,
TapeMa$ter Fred
Got a digital DECstation 5000/240 $6.95 plus tax no keyboard, mouse or
monitor with it.
A dca IRMA Key/3270 keyboard in excellent shape.
A dtk DLT-3311 laptop for $8 no charger with it so not able to test it yet.
Apple mono monitor A2M2010 with cable.
A DeLorme TripMate Hyperformance GPS unit for laptop missing software and
manual, was free.
A TI Passport Flight Computer was free.
SyQuest SyJet 1.5 GB internal SCSI cartridge unit was $1.21 and I found one
cartridge for it (the lady let me have it for 60 cents), and I also found
the install 3.5 FD for it at a cost of 75 cents.
Got some game cartridges for the NES, SNS, Sega CD, and some controllers for
PS1 console. Also got several mousepads for that collection and some
books/manuals.
As mentioned in an earlier posting, there is a hamfest this weekend. It is
at Bedford Indiana. It is not usually a big hamfest, but I seem to find
better goodies there than some of the bigger events. It is also a reunion
of sorts for a group of folks from all over Indiana and I get to see old
friends from Civil Air Patrol days and the like.
In addition to the Intel PC stuff mentioned in an earlier posting, I will
have some other computer stuff. Under the heading of DEC will be some
keyboards, mice (you awake Ethan), MMJ cables & adapters, as well as some
free manuals (which I won't bring back). Also hope to take some spare
NeXT parts.
If you are interested in going, see:
http://www.hoosierhillshamfest.org
for a map, directions and GPS info.
If you mention you are a Classiccmp'er, I'll give you a good discount and
maybe even a free goodie or two.
Mike
KA9JWZ
After I got the PowerMacs, I went back with an idea. Since he considers
486's and lower to be useless I made a suggestion. I would tear them down
to cards, memory, drives, cables, etc. and I would take the stuff to an
upcoming hamfest (see next posting) and sell it cheap. He agreed and we
decided on a 50-50 split and I got 'skimming' rights to the machines as
I tear them down to cover my time. We also decided to recycle the cases
and motherboards to keep them out of the landfill.
So after a few afternoons I got more PC stuff piled around here than even
I can tolerate. Let me just say that I am not so naive as to believe that
the majority of this mess will sell. I suspect the shop owner thinks
otherwise. But who knows, someone might walk up and see that box full
of hundreds of SIMMS and make me an offer that I just can't refuse.
During those afternoons, he would come back and offer to give me this and
that. I think he was happy to just be able to walk into the store room
and see the empty space grow. Out of all his offers was a monitor for a
PowerMac that had been recently uncovered.
The thing that probably made all of this worth it is what I call the Borland
Bonanza. Among all the machines were boxes of software. I got about two
dozen sets of disks in unopened plastic wrap. It includes Paradox, dbase,
Turbo C++, Turbo Pascal, ObjectVision, Delphi, etc. For some products there
is both DOS and Windoze versions. Given that it is older versions, I suppose
that it is available on their web site. Still there is something to be said
for having the original disks.
Mike
I went into the local PC reseller's shop just over a month ago. He had
gotten in a big mess of machines which included some Apple stuff. I managed
to talk him out of three PowerMacs (not quite 10 years old yet) for 10 bucks
each. The models were 7200/120 (with a 1.2 gb HDD), 7200/90, and a 7100/66.
These weren't for me though and they are gone now. A friend of mine took
them for his daughter's private church school. If it were not for his efforts
they probably wouldn't even have that first machine.
These were the machines only, no monitors, kybds, mice, etc. That has
been partially rectified. See my next posting.
Mike
> I probably have the room, but not the inclination. I am
> really a software person - the hardware is just there to
> run the software - well mostly - my wife certainly would
> not agree when she she looks at the basement full of
> PDP-11 junk.
Ahh, but that merely takes a quick
#ifdef WIFE
# undef WIFE
# define WIFE GEEK_WIFE
#endif
to fix... :)
> As for using the RL02 and RK05 drives, while I have
> one RK05 drive at the moment and a borrowed RKV11-D
> (THANK YOU Ethan Dicks - which I am close to being
> finished with) to recover some RK05 packs I obtained
> last year in Montreal, I would NEVER consider using the
> RL02 drives, let alone the RK05 drive, as a production
> unit to fix software bugs, etc. So if I really want to run
> some code which can only be run using an RK05 device
> driver under RT-11, I would use Ersatz-11 and run the
> code on a PC under Windows 98 SE/Ersatz-11. About
> the only problem is that it will run TOO FAST - about
> 15 times the speed of a PDP-11/93 right now and
> eventually I hope to get to 50 times the speed of a
> PDP-11/93 when a high end Pentium 4 is cheap enough.
I do all my Ultrix-11 development under E11 too, simple
because (a) it's a hell of a lot faster, and (b) I can
take Falcon (the "machine") with me, including its four
RA82 drives and all the others. :)
Still.. I do try make sure it still runs (acceptably) on
Real Hardware as much as possible. Which usually means
teaming with retrogeek-friends for Yet Another retro-session.
(did I mention the WIFE issue already? They usually seem to
have issues with these sessions, too.. duuno why ;-)
So... OK. I probably would not run a bunch of RP's for fun
anymore. However, I have friends ['lo, ed ;-] that do, soo... :)
--fred
Sorry gang,
email/web site just came back on line (net seems to be having a bad week)
and in trying to respond to some inquiries I see that the mailer responded
back to the list. My bad.
-jim
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