I just got handed a huge binder, that was getting ready to be pitched during
our datacenter move.
Apple "Supportools Reference Guide", including product data sheets, system
configuration, software, and support.
Got sections on apples, macs, A/UX, etc.
Offered for trade...
Jay West
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Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> The 85F were delivered as part of various HP test systems and AFIK
> they were never listed separately in the HP catalogs. That's probably
> why few people have heard of them and may be confusing their
> capabilities with standard 85Bs. The 85F is a nice catch IMO, you
> gain two ROMs and don't use up any of the ports on the back.
Yes, the 85F was part of the 3056DL data acquisition system. You can find
a brochure with a description of the 85F config at
<http://library.hp41.org/LibView.cfm?Command=Document&ItemID=23075>
On page 21 you find the 85F described as:
Computer with CRT, keyboard, tape drive, graphics, 16K memory, HP-IB
card, I/O ROM and ROM drawer (all that for just $3485).
There is no Mass Storage ROM and the Adv Programming ROM was a $165 option.
Also since they gave you the ROM drawer, the ROMs would not be inside
the 85F, so you do use one port on the back.
Even the 9915A which contains the ROMs inside the cabinet, has only three
slots, so you appear to lose a slot anyway.
Also, Joe, since you have the programmable-rom-module, can you check inside
to see the type of the translator IC (the one closest to the the edge
connector. I would guess that its either a 1MA5-0101 or a 1MB5-0101.
Further down there should be a 8048 (Intel microcontroller) that does
all the funny address decoding and stuff. At least with most HP85
I/O cards, the funny voltages on the I/O bus are hidden by the translator
chip; on the other side you have industry standard TTL.
Because of the "funny" voltages on the I/O bus, contructing a
programmable-rom-module from scratch would be very difficult, but if we
can use the 1MB5-0101 part (which is found in most adapters) we can
convert some of the zillion 82937 HP-IB adaptors that appear constantly
on eBay to programmable-rom-modules. Then we can all have the EMS ROM
and get rid of the ancient (and huge) 9135A hard disks.
BTW The most impressive of these beasts is probably the 9895A dual
8-inch floppy drive, that is so big that the HP85 sitting on top
looks like a toy.
I have a 20 page brochure on the 9915A. I'll try to make it available
on-line soon. This is where I got the keyboard connector info I posted in my
previous email.
gil smith <gil(a)vauxelectronics.com> wrote:
> There are still a few unknown keys in the main
> matrix though. Pin 25 use is unknown (2.5V). Pin 1 is chassis ground.
As I have mentioned in the previous posting, there is also a speaker
signal on the keyboard connector.
gil smith <gil(a)vauxelectronics.com> wrote:
> Since
> there are no lines to enable a specific rom socket, I think the 85 must
> poll for roms using fixed address ranges or something -- this implies
> that the roms contain address qualification circuitry of some sort.
Have a look at page 5-3 of the HP-85 assembler manual (available on
CDROM from the HP calculator museum - www.hpmuseum.org). It describes
the system memory organization of the HP-85. On page 6-17 the manual
explains how to access other ROMs via the bank-switching hooks.
Best regards
**vp
There are two rooms in the ACCRC building that are filled with huge old
(useless) refrigeration systems. Tons of steel. We'd like to get the
rooms cleared out so we can use them.
We've gotten quotes in the past but all of them will end up costing us to
remove the equipment since the rooms are enclosed and one of them is down
a ladder with a narrow door. Everything will need to be cut up and
removed piece-meal. There is also some very large equipment on the roof
that will need a crane to remove.
A while back we had a brief discussion about "clean steel". "Clean steel"
is supposedly steel that was smelted before the first atomic bomb tests,
and therefore contains no radiation. Apparently, air since the first
atomic bomb test is now filled with background radiation, and because so
much air is used in the smelting process, a lot of the radiation gets into
modern steel making it unsuitable for some applications (such as medical
test equipment where radioactive isotopes are used as part of the
operation).
I was thinking that because this building is so old (from the 1930s) that
a lot of the steel in those rooms is "clean".
I called a scrapper yesterday who has been in the business for 30+ years
and is a Harvard graduate, and he said he has never, ever heard of "clean
steel".
So what gives? Is there a government website somewhere that defines
"clean steel"?
I'm hoping that the steel is actually worth enough to make it a wash to
have it removed. As it stands, the quote I have so far is that we have
$25/ton worth of steel and $30/ton to salvage it.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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Can anyone here shed some more light on the sharp PC4500, the IBM basic
question?
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Thank you for your reply. I have a Sharp laptop PC4500 that still works.
I don't have a manual for it, and am curious about the unit. There are
two expansion slots inside the unit. I was wondering if I can use a
mouse with it, but there aren't any ports for a mouse. It has two
parallel port connectors only on the outside of the unit.
Also, I am looking for an IBM unit with the BASIC code in the ROM. I have
a game written in BASIC dating from about 1984 that won't work with
GWBASIC. I am curious whether it actually works on an actual IBM (i.e.
not clone) unit.
I was default sysop of a pair of Sydis voice-phone-data Unix systems
back when I was a product manager at a Large Non-Bell California Phone
Company. I called 'em Godzilla and Rodan. Not uncommon to get a phone
call : "Hey, I think Godzilla just puked.."
Earlier, (speaking of Molecular Computers) we sold two of them to a
company who did insurance back-office processing. Their resident Geeks
named them Pokey and Gumby, and when a user logged into the system, an
ASCII-art graphic of the relevant character was displayed on the
splash-screen.
None of the above machines were made from Pre-Bomb Steel, BTW.
Cheers
John
I deleted the original message that pointed me to this picture:
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tractorb/editwriter.JPG
...but I would say that these are definitely worth saving.
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Googling doesn't turn up many hits, but I found two (both related to ships):
www.liddiard.demon.co.uk/photoix/brittany/kleber.htm and
www.hazegray.org/faq/smn7.htm
Given so few hits, maybe is is an urban legend. Then again, some
applications might require steel without the slight radiation that
blast-furnace smelting might add. The mixing in of contaminated scrap is a
different (and very real) issue from air-blast introduced low-level
radioactivity.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Kapteyn, Rob [mailto:kapteynr@cboe.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:09 PM
To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org'
Subject: RE: Clean steel?
My understanding of this:
"Unclean" steel is not radioactive because of the A-bomb tests (although we
are all being exposed to roughly 3 times "natural" background radiation
because of those tests.
There have been several very expensive mistakes in which highly radioactive
contaminants got mixed in with scrap metal going to smelters. Some of
these were not detected until toys and table legs made from the scrap were
being shipped to consumers.
About 40% of our steel comes from recycled scrap.
This scrap always seems to pick up some radioactive contamination.
The 60% of steel made from virgin ore is "clean".
Your 1930's scrap is still scrap -- not virgin ore.
The EPA has a new program to address this problem:
http://www.epa.gov/radiation/cleanmetals/
-Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of Sellam Ismail
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 10:51 AM
To: Classic Computers Mailing List
Subject: OT: Clean steel?
There are two rooms in the ACCRC building that are filled with huge old
(useless) refrigeration systems. Tons of steel. We'd like to get the
rooms cleared out so we can use them.
We've gotten quotes in the past but all of them will end up costing us to
remove the equipment since the rooms are enclosed and one of them is down
a ladder with a narrow door. Everything will need to be cut up and
removed piece-meal. There is also some very large equipment on the roof
that will need a crane to remove.
A while back we had a brief discussion about "clean steel". "Clean steel"
is supposedly steel that was smelted before the first atomic bomb tests,
and therefore contains no radiation. Apparently, air since the first
atomic bomb test is now filled with background radiation, and because so
much air is used in the smelting process, a lot of the radiation gets into
modern steel making it unsuitable for some applications (such as medical
test equipment where radioactive isotopes are used as part of the
operation).
I was thinking that because this building is so old (from the 1930s) that
a lot of the steel in those rooms is "clean".
I called a scrapper yesterday who has been in the business for 30+ years
and is a Harvard graduate, and he said he has never, ever heard of "clean
steel".
So what gives? Is there a government website somewhere that defines
"clean steel"?
I'm hoping that the steel is actually worth enough to make it a wash to
have it removed. As it stands, the quote I have so far is that we have
$25/ton worth of steel and $30/ton to salvage it.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
Festival
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--
International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintage.org
* Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com
*
After a whole day of finetuning my ASR linefeed pawl stops, I still cannot
get it to produce a reliable linefeed. Most of the time I get nothing ,or a
half line, sometimes it feeds at each character.
Is there any secret to this mechanism ? The ASR manual is not a great help,
as it does not mention anything besides the pawls'and their stops.
Jos Dreesen
Does anyone have any info on this computer? I've found one at a scrap place and they're supposed to be getting a several more of them in. I pulled some of the cards from this one and they're marked Sperry-Rand. I checked the date codes on some of the ICs and they were all dated 1977. I pulled eight large core memory boards out of this one. Any body know what the memory capacity is on these?
Joe
Priority Interrupt chain. Should go from 16FDC OUT to TU-ART IN.
Note that the pins on the 4/16/64FDC are the opposite of all other cards, so
the cable connects to the same side pin on both boards (away from the
edge of the card).
The extra wire is in case you have another board requiring connection to the
interrupt chain, e.g. a PRI printer interface; if all you have is the
TU-ART, just leave it dangling:
__+ +_____________ 16FDC
|
|
__+ +_____________TU-ART
|
|
If you have a WDI type hard disk controller with a connector, do NOT connect
to it; they have a separate interrupt chain.
Good luck; nice to see someone actually bringing a Cromemco back to life.
Which model System 2 BTW? Sounds like a CS-2, dual TM100 floppies,
full width 21 slot backplane, no internal HD?
So, what other cards were in there? Got any software/OS for it?
mike
-------------Original Message-------------
Message: 42
From: "Scarletdown" <SecretaryBird(a)SoftHome.net>
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:32:12 -0700
Subject: What Is This Connector?
Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Earlier today, I had Mintaka (Cromemco System Two) opened up and had
her cards pulled so I could write down an inventory of what all she
has in her. I noticed that on the FDC16 floppy controller, there is
a wire plugged into a 2 pin connector on the card. The other end of
the wire is not connected to anything. Any idea what it is supposed
to go to?
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So what is an Exxon Qyx good for? Other than as a typewriter?
I just found one in my garage (I swear if I dig a bit further, I will
find the Ark of the Covenant in there). I found the manuals and software,
but I can't yet get to them (really REALLY big pile of gondola shelves
are in the way, and I have to move a fridge to get the shelves out...
<sigh>).
I'm trying to decide if I should haul this out for my garage sale this
weekend, or hang on to it. The fact that it is a typewriter with a floppy
drive is interesting enough in its own right that I might keep it... but
that pack rat mentality is what got everything so burried in the first
place (something I am sure just about everyone here is familiar with).
Is this just an old word processor, or can you do something more
interesting with it?
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Earlier today, I had Mintaka (Cromemco System Two) opened up and had
her cards pulled so I could write down an inventory of what all she
has in her. I noticed that on the FDC16 floppy controller, there is
a wire plugged into a 2 pin connector on the card. The other end of
the wire is not connected to anything. Any idea what it is supposed
to go to? Here is a picture of the wire and connector in question...
http://www.oz.net/~otter/Geekware/What-is-This-Connector-0.JPG
I also noticed that the TU-ART card has a similar 2 pin connector,
with nothing attached to it.
http://www.oz.net/~otter/Geekware/What-is-This-Connector-1.JPG
Is that where the other end of the wire is supposed to go? And if
so, what about that connector in the middle of the wire?
Thanks
-- Scarletdown
Hi,
I have a Heathkit H-8 of which I know nothing about. I am curious to play
with this machine a bit but really I don't know where to start.
I believe all I have for the H-8 is the computer - the part with the keypad
& led display & a bunch of cables.
What can I do with this? How can I test to see if it even works? Any ideas
where I could go to find more information about it?
Thanks all!
Chris Lamrock
Hi all,
Just found this on The Register - thought some of you might be
interested.
World's Most Dangerous Server Rooms - Finally Revealed! (my title, not
theirs)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/27684.html
I like this one
[quote]
We shall not name the world-renowned North American educational institution
in which the server room itself is now out of bounds:-
[endquote]
I'm not going to spoil the fun by telling you what the sign on the server
room door says :-)
Later.
--
Phil.
philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com
http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/
More info for Sellam
http://www.geocities.com/darrenmilford/scuttle.html
Bayern as raised in 1933. She fetched a scrap value of ?110,000 nearly half
of which was profit. The salvage operations on the various ships started in
the early 1920's with most of the ships having been raised by the late
1930's. Since then fragments of ships have been raised and since Hiroshima
they remain an important source of quality radioactive free metals necessary
for certain types of sensitive scientific instruments
http://users.accesscomm.ca/shipwreck/index7.htm
Radioactivity in the atmosphere has increased over time with the continual
testing of atomic bombs of all types. Steel makers need vast amounts of air
to make steel so it would follow that steel made nowadays contains certain
amounts of radioactivity. Prior to dropping the first A bomb in 1945, steel
was radioactive free, and the only source of this 'clean' steel left lies in
pre 1945 wrecks that lie on the seabed.
Mike
Sellam Ismail was asking about "clean steel", here is some of what I
know/remember from one of the applications that require it.
The trace amounts of radioactive "stuff" in the new steel can swamp out the
radioactive particle counters on some experiments.
There was an experiment at the University of Missouri to look at the
muscle/fat percentages in humans and in cows.
There was an especially built building made from "old battleship steel" that
enclosed the radioactive particle counter. The "experimental subject" was
given trace amounts of radioactive potassium which would be incorporated
into their muscle. The entire subject was then placed in a whole body
detector to determine the percentage of the body mass that was muscle versus
fat.
I heard that they had gotten the steel from an old sunken ship.
may be entirely myth
Thanks
Mike
Just wandering around the web last night, and I was wondering 'what
happened' to RICM's Astronautics ZS-1 ... has it yet been powered up,
booted and put through its paces? While I was at Astronautics with Merle,
(and everyone else), it looked like a fine machine that would be fun to
play around with once it got up and running, and, well, I was just curious
if it's been set up and successfully ran any software since it was moved.
Pat
--
"This fucking university has shown time and time again that it is
completely fucking incompetent when it comes to employing technology"
-- Anonymous
http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2040637020924.gif
At 02:47 AM 16/10/2002 -0500, Tothwolf wrote:
>If you notice the car on the left of the image, it gives two clues that
>show the location is in the US somewhere. The license plate, even though
>you can't see all of it, is US sized. The steering wheel is also on the
>left side of the car. Another noticeable item in the photo is the DSS dish
>on the roof of the red brick building.
I'm inclined to agree that this photo is from the US, but of course the
majority
of cars in Europe have the steering wheel on the left hand side of the car. If
the UK is anything to go by, there are lots of satellite dishes there too...
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au
| "If God had wanted soccer played in the
| air, the sky would be painted green"
If I provide pictures and a descriptions of the various chips, would
anyone here be able to help me identify this S-100 card? First, the
pictures:
http://www.oz.net/~otter/Geekware/Mystery-Board-Front.JPGhttp://www.oz.net/~otter/Geekware/Mystery-Board-Back.JPG
The largest chip is marked: AM9513PC 8148HP (c) 1980 AMD.
To the right of the DIP switches are 4 socketed chips...
The two smaller ones: F-74LS136PC 7935 Singapore
The two larger ones: 74LS244 PC F 8226 Indonesia
The other 9 chips, in no particular order...
F-74LS368PC 7918 Indonesia
SN74LS00n QQ8130 (has Motorola Logo)
74LS02 PC 8221 Singapore
F-74LS32PC 8210 Indonesia
435 DM7476N
74LS14 F 8248 Singapore
2630 937 (has Hewlett Packard Logo)
4N26 240F Korea
4N26 231F Korea
I'm assuming that this is a homebrew job. But before I make a
decision on whether or not to stick it in Mintaka, or sell it, I
really would like to know what this card is for.
Anyone have any idea?
Thanks
-- Scarletdown
Hello one and all.
For the past three or four years, I've actively been looking for a first
generation Wang 2200 computer. I actually have two now, mostly
working. Over the past couple of months I acquired/developed all the
technical information I needed to write an emulator.
The emulator is far from complete, but it is quite usable. Besides the
emulator, I've overhauled my Wang web site and added a lot more
content. Now that the ball is rolling, I hope to maintain it more actively.
The web site:
http://www.thebattles.net/wang/wang.html
The emulator:
http://www.thebattles.net/wang/emu.html
The emulator runs on win32 platforms right now, but I wrote it using a
GUI/system abstraction toolkit, wxWindows, so it should be pretty portable
to unix/linux/mac at least.
If you have no nostalgia for the 2200, why is it interesting anyway? The
first generation came out in 1973. Because it was designed before
microprocessors were available, it is a microcoded TTL box. In many ways,
it can be compared pretty fairly to home computers that came five years
later. Because it predates Microsoft, it has a rich and quirky BASIC dialect.
Unfortunately, I don't have any Wang BASIC documents online yet, but I do
have a quick comparison of Wang BASIC vs early Microsoft BASIC.
-----
Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net
Does anyone have a Corvus Mirror? This was a VHS tape backup unit for the
Corvus hard drive.
Pictures and info here:
http://209.122.187.156:8082/corvus.html
If you have one, please contact me privately at <sellam(a)vintage.org>.
Thanks!
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Hi
I wish he'd shown a closeup of the left side. What
he did closeup was just a static ram. The good stuff
was on the left.
I know little about Apple stuff though.
Dwight
>From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com>
>
>Can anyone identify the Apple ][ card in this eBay auction?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2061361635
>
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>
In the August 1968 issue of the "Tektronix Service Scope"
there is an article comparing the 512 to the new 323 (the first
'scope manufactured by Sony/Tektronix), and although the article
doesn't specifically say so, it does sound like the 512 was the first
Tek scope, introduced in May 1949.
In another issue an article on power supply troubleshooting does
state (in bold print at that) that power transformers are warranted
for the life of the instrument (mind you, I guess if the transformer
goes, the instrument's pretty dead :). I'll gladly photocopy the
relevant page if anybody wants to try to get a free replacement :).
Also, further to Toth & Tony's discussion, according to Tek the
most common problem when the fuse blows immediately is a
shorted diode in the bridge.
mike
------------Original Message------------
Message: 43
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:39:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Vintage Scopes
Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Philip Pemberton wrote:
> Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
> > Did Tek have any models before the 512?
> Not sure. I think my Tek 466 dates back to about 1980.
> Later.
In 1972? I got a military surplus Tektronix scope. I think that the model
number was 512.
I thought the Transporter card was an Apple II NIC.
But in looking at those pics, I don't see anyway to connect cables. I've
never personally seen or used one, so I don't know what kind of cable was
used, or where on the card you would look (or if it was even ON the
card... might have been a 2nd card that contained the interface for all I
know).
There is a little bit of info in Google that seems to support my memory
of it being a NIC... but nothing that helps explain how to connect it
(does seem to indicate that it was a custom network of some sort)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>