I just received an HP 2647F terminal along with two 13272A 5.25" drives and
cables plus a 02640-60043 modem cable and a 02640-60266 HPIB cable, but no
manuals.
Physically it all looks pretty good, no broken or missing keys and no screen
burn or mold, and I figured out how to format floppies and create some files
on them and the floppies seem to work ok. I figured out how to open the
unit and looked at the boards inside and was slightly disappointed to find
that the CPU is an 8085 instead of more cool 8080. This unit has a 1982
date.
A couple of questions:
I found some references on the web that the 2647A/F supports BASIC. Is that
true? Is it in ROM, or does it need to be loaded from tape or disc? If it
is in ROM I haven't been able to figure out how to get at it.
Is the HPIB cable used just for connecting to printers, or can it be
connected to other things?
What's the difference between a 2647A and a 2647F?
-Glen
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I have here a manual for a CV33-2 SE/HE made by Barco Industries.
Free for anyone who wants it and is willing to pick it up or pay for postage.
Manual is dated 19 nov 1984. The CV33-2 is a videotex terminal btw.
yours,
Stefan.
The only computer of mine that I named was/is my Otrona Attache 8:16, which
I named "El Otorongo," (Quechua/Inkan for "The Jaguar"). Besides being
alliterative, the name was appropriate, as this computer spent several years
in Peru with archaeological projects I was involved with.
Bob
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From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 5:42 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: A Momentous Decision
>
> After much pondering and debate, I have finally decided on a name for
> my Cromemco System Two. Once she is operational, she shall be
> christened as Mintaka.
Just out of curiousity, how many other people here name their classic
computers (for reasons other than giving them a network address)
-tony
On Oct 19, 8:33, Stan Barr wrote:
> ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) said:
> >
> > Also, many of us remember filling in a coding form, then either
punching
> > a card deck or having one punched, then handing it to the operator,
then
> > coming back to collect the output (normally error messages :-)). I
wonder
> > if people will even rememebr that went on in, say, 50 years time.
>
> I used to have to fill out coding forms, put them in the internal mail
> with a run request and get a printout in the mail a day or so later.
> It made debugging somewhat slow :-)
At school (secondary school, I suppose that's high school for Americans),
we used to fill out FORTRAN (even though we were writing ALGOL) coding
forms and hand them in, and get them back a week later. It taught the
value of dry-running a program :-)
When I worked at Edinburgh University in the mid-70's, our research unit
had punch operators who'd punch the cards, and I'd take the boxes up the
road about 3/4 mile and hand them in. Then they'd sit in a queue until the
operator fed them in, and we'd get the printout back later that day
(usually). I must have handled hundreds of thousands of punch cards, but
now I all I have are three empty metal trays and one card (and I only have
the card because someone sent it to me with a note on it a while ago).
Can anyone remember how many IBM cards fit in a box? A card is nominally 8
thou thick, and a tray is about 16.5" long internally, so it must be
something of the order of 2000.
Who remembers drawing a cross or a diagonal line on the top of the card
deck, so you had some chance of re-ordering the deck if someone dropped the
box?
Who remembers using a folded card (16 thou) to check the points on their
engine (nominally 15 thou)? Folded in three to check the spark plug gap
(nominally 25 thou)??
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
> Just out of curiousity, how many other people here name their classic
> computers (for reasons other than giving them a network address)
>
> -tony
Personally the only computers I give names to are ones on my network (of
course basically every system I have setup is networked). I've reached the
point though where the name is likely to simply reflect what kind of hardware
the host is. Other times the name might be what it was prior to my getting
it.
Zane
> Does anyone have the schematics for the VT52 ?
>
Yes, I send them to Eric Smith to be scanned along with VT78 and random
other stuff. I can't easly do B size with my scanner. If all went well
I should be getting the scans within a week to put online. I suspect they
will show up on www.spies.com also.
David Gesswein
http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights.
I've picked up several of GS models in a bunch of surplus. Is anyone familar with them? I'm wondering if you HAVE to use Ricochet's network or if they can be set up to work peer to peer.
Joe
>From: "O. Warren" <ocwarren(a)burgoyne.com>
>To: <greenkeys(a)mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [GreenKeys] Line feed on a 33ASR
>Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 08:34:35 -0600
>
>Hi...
>
>About line feed on a 33ASR..
>
>I'm a retired Western Union Field Service Technician, and we used these
>33ASR's with internal data sets (modems) as TWX machines. They also made a
>good low speed pre Internet on-line terminal.
>
>>From what I remember, the line feed prowl was a concentric adjustment on the
>left side of the platen.
>
>>From the message I read, the selector part is the problem. Typically first
>check that the selection is working with a test of blanks and rub outs, or a
>string of *'s and U's. This will test for machine reversals. Then check
>the line feed selection. Look for lack of oil, then weak or missing
>springs, misarranged levers, etc..
>
>Then oil. Dirt on the distributor and keyboard contacts and lack of oil
>will kill the machine. The proper oil is in between 30 weight motor oil and
>3 in 1 oil. Sears Roebuck used to sell what they termed "air conditioner
>oil", which was almost an exact replacement for "Teletype oil", and also in
>a squeeze bottle. Be sure that someone didn't use grease instead of oil and
>"gooey" the mechanism up!!
>
>Your machine is a good teaching tool. Watch the selector mechanism work in
>reversals and then the lined feed mechanism operate. whatever the problem,
>it will become apparent..
>
>Best,
>
>Dick Warren
>ocwarren(a)burgoyne.com
>
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>From: "Jack" <wa2hwj(a)worldnet.att.net>
>To: <greenkeys(a)mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Line feed on a 33ASR
>Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:50:20 -0400
>
>Of all the aggravating adjustments on the 33, the line feed
>gets the award! Later machines had a much more refined
>mechanism, but the older and probably more plentiful models
>required a lot of cussing, swearing and a little adjusting.
>The line feed pawl that actually moves the platen sometimes wears.
>
>After making sure your machine is in good operating shape by
>sending the reversals (U*U*U*U*) and making sure the
>selector is working correctly, watch to see if the pawl
>tries to advance the platen every time you send it a
>LINE FEED character. If it seems to miss sometimes and only
>feed halfway other times, then that's what you need to
>fiddle with...
>
>Jack WA2HWJ
>
>NNNN
>
>
>
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On Oct 19, 11:36, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
> > Who remembers drawing a cross or a diagonal line on the top of the card
> > deck, so you had some chance of re-ordering the deck
> Depended a lot on how often it would be changed.
> On a deck that would be changed OFTEN, you put ONE diagonal. Next time
> that it changed significantly, you'd put a second diagonal. By the time
> that you had a dozen different colors and directions of diagonals, that
> deck would be overdue to be recopied to have nice fresh crisp cards.
We rarely did that. We did use diagonal line(s) to see if a deck needed
sorted; if it wasn't too big then the line was usually enough.
> At many locations, different colors of cards had special meanings. When
I
> was working at Goddard Space Flight Center, I did not have appropriate
> clearance for handling some of the colors of cards that I was working
> with.
Yes, I can't remember all the colours except that blue was usually JCL.
> > > Who remembers using a folded card (16 thou) to check the points on
their
> > > engine (nominally 15 thou)? Folded in three to check the spark plug
gap
> > > (nominally 25 thou)??
>
> And what did you use for adjusting your valves? (~ .006) Zig-zags?
No, anything more serious than a quick sanity check merited a real feeler
gauge :-)
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
I was quickly corrected regarding the cables I mentioned earlier.
They are DB-19 to 20-pin header (keyed), apparently an
interface cable to the UniDisk drive.
I also have several ribbon cables for the older style floppy drives.
Also, I just located three Apple IIe emulation cards for the Mac LC
series.
These are just the cards, part number 820-0444-A. They're in
anti-static
bags but not sealed.
Cheers,
Dan
http://www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html
Ethan Dicks said:
> If they can take it, you'd need a DWBUA on a VAXBI bus (there is no
> Unibus adapter for XMI). ISTR when the 6000 was current that DEC
> imposed a limit on how fast a machine could take a DWBUA, not to
> screw the customer, but because some of the (then) newer machines
> had so many layers between the Unibus peripherals and memory that
> timings could not be maintained.
I am aware of an application that used a Unibus on a VAX 6520. The
system would occasionally spontaneously crash; it looked to me like
the UNIBUS adapter was getting wedged. Rumor has it they fixed it
with a microcode upgrade to the DWBUA, but I doubt that microcode
was ever made generally available.
--
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
I had this half-linefeed problem on my ASR-33 when I first rescued it
>from the Barn. After a few nights of careful study (watching the
mechanism at work) I decided that the spring on the ratchet device was
stretched to the point of not being springy any more. I replaced it
with another (from a carburater rebuild kit, as I recall) and it has
worked fine ever since.
>Does anyone have the schematics for the VT52 ?
>Or a hint where I should start looking for common errors ?
You can start at http://www.vt100.net
You'll find a maintenance guide and a pocket service
guide at the very least.
Antonio
HELL YEAH! AN/UYK-20 BABY! *consults my data files* Other than that its a
Univac (obviously), and 16-bit, I don't know much about it... They were used
in a few different cool things, for example the original AEGIS system.. I'd
love to have one... and know at least one other person that'd probably want
one.. how much? heh
Will J
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gil smith <gil(a)vauxelectronics.com> wrote:
>From: john_shadbolt(a)talk21.com
> > [...]I have performed the following on my HP-85, I assume this
> > will work on a 86/87/9915.
> >1. Determine the ROM number for the ROM. You may have this anyway (as
> >it is used for error messages). For example my guess for the HP 85 EMS
> >ROM is that it is 317 octal / 207 decimal (the same as for the HP 87
> >EMS ROM which I do have). To check run the command:
>
> >
> >MEM 60000:207,2
Actually, on the HP86 and HP87 the ROM-id is in *octal* so the correct
command (for these machines) would be:
MEM 60000:317,2
Also, since the HP-8[67] have larger screens, the MEM command dumps memory
in multiples of 8 bytes. So the above command is equivalent to:
MEM 60000:317,10
(the number of bytes is also in octal).
So much for compatibility between the various Series 80 models.
**vp
You have GOT to check out the mechanical caclulator simulators this guy
has developed:
http://oldcalc.republika.pl
Very, very cool!
I believe the site is Polish, but there is an English link (the Union Jack
in the upper left frame).
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Hi,
I have a Heathkit H-8 of which I know nothing about. I am curious to play
with this machine a bit but really I don't know where to start.
I believe all I have for the H-8 is the computer - the part with the keypad
& led display & a bunch of cables.
What can I do with this? How can I test to see if it even works? Any ideas
where I could go to find more information about it?
Thanks all!
Chris Lamrock
I know this has been discussed before, but I can't find the answer in the
archives.
I need to ship a large, heavy crate (about 30" x 12" x 72" and around
200-250 pounds) in the US. What company would you recommend?
Please answer off-list, directly to my email.
Thanks,
Robert A. Feldman
robert_feldman(a)jdedwards.com
Anyone in the Kensington, Maryland area interested in a Kaypro 64? If so,
contact Robert directly.
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I have a Kaypro 64 in excellent condition which I would love to get out
of my house. It was my first computer and I just couldn't bear to throw
it away. It has a carrying case and complete software, including Dbase
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I have an O1 Tech Ref manual, from which I can send you info that might be
useful. I'm busy this week, so won't be until next, though.
One thing to check is the video shunt on the front of the unit. It takes the
video signals and power from the bottom of the board and passes them to the
top, where they go to the monitor. If the contacts on the shunt are
oxidized, you could have video problems.
The pinout of the edge connector is (numbered right to left, odd on top,
even on bottom):
(19 ... 1)
(20 ... 2)
2 Ground
4 Brightness High ---> 3 on top
6 Brightness Low ---> 5 on top
8 Brightness Arm ---> 7 on top
10 Ground
12 Horiz Sync
14 +12 volts
16 Video Out
18 Vert Sync
20 Ground
3 and 7 go to the outsides of a 100K brightness pot, 5 to the wiper of the
pot.
Video out and one of the grounds go to a 500 ohm contrast pot.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Sark [mailto:ian_primus@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:08 PM
To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Osbourne 1 problems
I recently accquired an Osbourne 1 computer. I turned it on and it
seemed to work, I was able to boot BASIC off of a floppy and I wrote a
couple little programs, (print hello world, count to ten, and count
forever, stuff like that). The picture on the screen was kinda dark in
spots, and while the computer was counting, it flickered to a very dark
and barely readable, then it went black all together. I tried turning
up the brightness and contrast controls, the only one that makes any
change on the screen is the brightness control. I can see the rasters
when the brightness is up all the way, but the contrast control has no
effect. The computer seems to still work though, I can turn it on, then
hit enter and it will boot from the floppy. Previously, when it was
working, I noticed the screen flicker when the computer accessed the
floppy drive. My guess is that there is something wrong with the power
supply. Does anyone have any ideas? I would really like to get my
Osbourne working again, it's a really cool little computer.
Thanks!
Ian Primus
ian_primus(a)yahoo.com
Hi,
I guess it would be too much to hope that some one has recorded this
program and can capture it to an avi file, so that us foreigners who
don't have this channel can see it too? It seems very interesting!
Kees.
At 11:55 10-10-02 -0400, you wrote:
>This show had the most footage of Imlac's I've ever seen. A really
>great program!
>
>David A. Woyciesjes wrote:
>
>> Just curious... did anybody else watch the History Channel last
>>night, 7:00PM Eastern Time. The Modern Marvels episode was about the
>>creation of the internet. Rather fascinating to me (who learned some
>>things), and kinda neat to put faces to names...
>> Not to mention the pictures of the old, err, classic computers and
>>terminals...