>From: jpero(a)sympatico.ca
>
>From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com>
>Subject: Re: Looking for CRT tester/rejuvenator
>To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>Reply-to: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:53:02 -0700 (PDT)
>
>>From: "Claude.W" <claudew(a)videotron.ca>
>>
>>Hi
>>
>>Looking for a "recent has possible" CRT tester/rejuvenator to do work on
>>several older terminals, monitors and other equip with CRTs I have around
>>here...
>>
>>Borrowing the high $ unit from work is not good for me....Carrying large
>>monitors into work is not practical...
>>
>>Will trade or $s.
>>
>>Claude
>>http://computer_collector.tripod.com
>>
>>
>
>Hi
> They can be tested in place. Most rejuvenators just run the
>filaments at about 1.5X to 2X the voltage while the rest of the
>voltages are at zero. You can do this with a bench power supply.
>Dwight
>
>Another reason for having rejuvenator it has ablitity to test
>emissions and leakages (short), also can remove those shorts as well
>besides just heating the heater HOTTER.
You are right but it is still the brightness of the screen
that counts in the end. Measured emission is only part of
the end result. Tired phosphors can't be measured without
a photometer or the eye.
Shorts can be opened the same way. Charge a large capacitor
and hit it to to short. Again, a cheaper way.
>
>Secore brand is very good, get used one instead to keep cost down, be
>prepared for sticker shock. Your best bet is buy up new TTL monitor
>(mono) and stick the new tube into your old terminals is cheapest.
>
>Otherwise for color CRT is same from used monitor except have to
>spend lot of time convergencing them.
Convergence is an art.
Dwight
>
>Cheers,
>
>Wizard
>
Wow
I rejuv old '20's tubes all the time. I just do it the
old fashioned way. I'm not all that sure adding a PIC to
the process would mean much.
There is no such thing as a "safer & gentler" method.
You need to bring the cathode to a temperature that
is hot enough to bring new material to the surface.
This always has the chance of blowing the filament.
If done right, this can take from 2 to 20 minutes.
I doubt that running it for, exactly, 19.53 minutes is much
different than 20 minutes.
You run it for a while with the higher voltage then
measure the emission. You are the only one that can decide
when it is good enough. How does the PIC know that
the tube will be bright enough? It might even be over doing
it?? Should it be as bright as new?? Should the emission
value be the only judge??
Why is it that everyone thinks that a computer controlled
or LASER light is better than tried and proven methods.
I guess we all just read the labels and except what some
marketing fellow wrote. There are some things a computer
can do faster than me. It is a little more consistent
than me. But it can be consistently bad as well.
I guess if the computer blows it up, you can say that
it was destined to fail anyway.
Anyway, I thought you were talking about one of the old
fashioned tester/rejuvenators. They just had a meter needle
that was labeled red/yellow/green and a push button labeled
Rejuvenate. I guess I'm just out of date. The ones I've seen
didn't have a PIC in them.
Later
Dwight
>From: "Claude.W" <claudew(a)videotron.ca>
>
>Well...newer units use a PIC or similar (probably) and will monitor currents
>and will attempt a "safer & gentler" restoration/rejuv....and will do
>several other tests...
>
>Claude
>http://computer_collector.tripod.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey(a)amd.com>
>To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:53 PM
>Subject: Re: Looking for CRT tester/rejuvenator
>
>
>> >From: "Claude.W" <claudew(a)videotron.ca>
>> >
>> >Hi
>> >
>> >Looking for a "recent has possible" CRT tester/rejuvenator to do work on
>> >several older terminals, monitors and other equip with CRTs I have around
>> >here...
>> >
>> >Borrowing the high $ unit from work is not good for me....Carrying large
>> >monitors into work is not practical...
>> >
>> >Will trade or $s.
>> >
>> >Claude
>> >http://computer_collector.tripod.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Hi
>> They can be tested in place. Most rejuvenators just run the
>> filaments at about 1.5X to 2X the voltage while the rest of the
>> voltages are at zero. You can do this with a bench power supply.
>> Dwight
>>
>>
>
>
Does anyone have any information as to where I might
locate a Manual for an old ELAN EPROM
programmer/copier? If anyone has any leads I would
appreciate it.
Thanks
Kevin Hipp
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Back in the late 80's I worked in a lab at Michigan State with a dozen or so SunOS
Workstations, 2 Sun Fileservers, and a VAX8600 running Ultrix.
All the Sun machines had odd, short names:
bubo, mala, typh, pock, etc.
It turns out the admin had named them all after diseases, but the management thought
it was too much, so they all became 4-letter truncated diseases :)
The VAX was renamed from sniffles to eecae (an acronym) at the same time.
-Frank
Well the nubus kinda cards I would bet money on being QMS laser printer
boards, since the 2nd one even visibly says QMS on it...
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Does anyone have WordCraft written by Peter Dowson and Mike Lake (UK) for
the PET (crica 1978-1979) that included a "dongle" (software key) that
had to be plugged into one of the ports on the back of the PET in order
to work?
If so, please contact me directly at <sellam(a)vintage.org>.
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> From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com>
> > I have the Omm program somewhere, I'm sure.
>
> What's that?
Sellam, you've never encountered (or been a part of) a bunch of chanting
hippies? You know, "Aum?"
Too young, I guess ;>)
Glen
0/0
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And if not now, when?
-- Pirkei Avot
I'm trying to help a guy on the electron microscope mailing list.
He has a LEO 360FE SEM, with a computer attached built by Radstone
Technology, better known for making military and space applications,
he says. It saves images on a Panasonic LF-7300 WORM drive,
but because he doesn't know the embedded OS, we can't guess at
the filesystem on the MO. Any ideas?
- John
> From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com>
> In the late 70s I remember seeing a tiny little ad in the back sections
> of Byte for a program for Passover.
>
> You plopped your Apple ][ down on the table next to the Charoses and
> roast lamb and wine - and the damn thing stepped you thru the Seder,
> songs and all.
ARRGH! It is NOT kosher to have an electrical appliance on the Seder
table!
Glen
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And if not now, when?
-- Pirkei Avot
Just think, since some of those are subs, (Thresher I know is, I believe
Scorpion is as well), why not name one machine DICASS? For those not in the
know, thats the AN/SSQ-62B Directional Command Activated Sonobuoy System...
And yes, the Navy really *does* call it DICASS... They're death to subs,
usually lead to a direct ping by a dipping sonar, and then the helicopter
crew shouts "weapon away!" and you get torpedoed/depth-charged/all of the
above!
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Well, just days after my post regarding XENIX for the Tandy 6000, its
keyboard seems to have gotten some ideas from Jeff's post on TRS-80 keyboard
problems. The 'D' key has taken sick. Every other key on the board works
flawlessly. But simply in the course of normal use, the 'D' key has stopped
working. I've "fixed" it to the best of my ability, but the problem
obviously goes beyond that. Now, that one key in itself wouldn't be so bad,
except that in order to get to the login prompt in XENIX, you have to type
CTRL-D. Which puts my 6000 in the very large paperweight category at the
moment. So my question is - Does anyone have a spare 6000 keyboard lying
around, or know where I might go about looking for one? I have enough
systems lying around waiting for parts to complete them, and I really don't
want this one to join them. Thanks.
--
Owen Robertson
Well I've been messing with my H8 some... I did get a program to work that I
entered into the keypad on the front. Now I would like to take the next
step and see if some of the other stuff works...
This machine has the H8-5 serial/ tape combo - I have the cable that
connects the funny Molex connector to the terminal & have a nice terminal
hooked to it. I also have in there what I believe to be the floppy
controller - but I have no cables or drives.
I am assuming that this machine must be "told" via the front panel to boot
>from a tape or disk before I ever get anything on the terminal? Is this
correct?
If this is true - what do I need to get this thing up and running? Will
this thing boot from tape? Is that the easiest option for starters? I am
not having much luck locating information or parts online for this beast...
Also I'm wondering if the floppy drives are just a standard old 360k drive &
some sort of standard cabling that I might be able to round up? If so how
hard will it be to find bootable media?
Lots of questions!
Thanks in advance
Chris Lamrock
> I remember an magazine add for a TRS-80 (Model 1) in the mid-70's
> with it in a kitchen, 'storing recipies'. Wish I had kept it.
I've been reading Stan Veit's History of the Personal Computer
lately. He's got a reprint of the photo from a TRS-80 Model I
ad where a guy is using it on the kitchen table, copying some
thing down on a pad and looking vaguely crazed with a cup of
coffee. A woman stands in the background behind the kitchen
counter, findling a bowl of snacks or fruit and gazing fondly
at the gent in the foreground - as if proud the her man is
finally able to purchase an use a microcomputer. Page 171.
--Steve.
In the interest of getting rid of stuff, the list below is some of the
stuff I will be bringing to VCF. I'll be adding to it as the stuff gets
loaded into the van. The pricing is OBO but I probably won't be very
flexible on just one item :). At this point, I have zero interest in
shipping anything, so this is info for those of you who will be
attending.
Misc. For Sale
1. $5.00 Apollo Keyboard/Mouse
2. $10.00 Arnet Boards, cables, etc. No Software Untested
3. $25.00 Atari 850 Interface w/ Power Supply
4. $25.00 Commodore Monitor 1701
5. $5.00 Commodore 1541 disk drives
6. $4.00 Commodore C-64 Power Supplies
7. $5.00 HP Laserjet II 1 MB Memory Board
8. $3.00 Kensington System Saver - Apple II
9. $3.00 Kensington System Saver - Mac
10. $10.00 Keyword 8000 8" drives & power supply
11. $1.00 Misc. Box - Anything in box for $1.00 ea.
12. $10.00 Multibus Extender Card
13. $20.00 One Box Punch Cards, Globe #39367
14. $10.00 Printer Ribbon Re-Inker
15. $20.00 Vector Graphic Hardware Manuals
16. $20.00 Vector/Godabout S-100 motherboard
17. $5.00 Versatec Interface Board?
Books/Magazines for Sale
1. $2.00 Apple II User's Guide, PB
2. $2.00 RCA SK Replacement Catalog, PB
3. $4.00 Information Processing w/ Basic and Telecourse Guide, Bohl, PB
4. $2.00 1985/86 NTE Technical Guide and Cross Reference, PB
5. $2.00 Open Windows V3 for SunOS 4.1.x DeskSet Reference Guide,
Sunsoft, PB
6. $4.00 Odyssey, Sculley, HB
7. $2.00 The Personal Computer Book, McWilliams, PB
8. $2.00 Programmmer's Guide to the IBM PC, Norton, PB
9. $2.00 Programmer's Guide to the NeWs Toolkit code Generator, Sunsoft,
PB
10. $2.00 Solaris 2.0 System Configuration and Installation Guide,
Sunsoft, PB
11. $4.00 High Level Cobol Programming , Weinberg,Kauffman,Wright,Goetz,
HB
Software for Sale
1. $5.00 MAC Tools, Central Point Software, shrinkwrapped eval.copy
2. $7.00 Microsoft Windows 3.1 (Logitech) 5 1/4 HD diskettes
3. $25.00 One Lot OS/2 Software
4. $5.00 QB/Pro Vol 7 - QB Optimizer, Microhelp
5. $2.00 ea Sun CDs
6. $30.00 Xenix w/AST 4-port serial card, etc.
Computers/Terminals For Sale
1. $10.00 ADM 5 terminal, lights up but NT
2. $10.00 Atari 400
3. $15.00 Atari 800
4. $10.00 DEC VT-220 terminal
5. $25.00 Commodore 64 w/1701 Monitor, 1741 Disk Drive, Cassette Drive,
Manuals, etc.
6. $10.00 Epson Equity LT Laptop w/manuals, disks, power supply,
carrying case, NW
7. $25.00 Epson HX-20 modified w/ bar code scanner
8. $35.00 HP 150 Touchscreen Computer
9. $20.00 IBM convertable computers
10. $5.00 Mac SE, 2FD, Top FD w/insertion problem, no kb/mouse
11. $20.00 Mac SE30, FD/HD, ADB keyboard/mouse, original disks, cloth
carrying case
12. $15.00 Mac 512K
13. $15.00 Mac Classic w/ keyboard/mouse
14. $7.00 Sharp PC-4501 Laptop w/ manual, carrying case NW
15. $35.00 Soroc IQ120
16. $5.00 Tandy Coco 1
17. $5.00 Tandy Coco 2
18. $35.00 Tandy/Radio Shack Model 100
19. $10.00 Zenith Z-170 w/ User Manual
20. $10.00 Zenith Z-170 w/ User Manual
21. $25.00 Zenith ZTX-11 Terminal, Unopened in Original Box
NW - Not Working
NT - Not Tested
Game Computers For Sale
1. $15.00 Atari 5100, power supply, game/ps connection box
2. $5.00 Magnavox Odyssey II, power supply, one game cartridge
3. $5.00 Mattel Aquarius (no box)
I remember an magazine add for a TRS-80 (Model 1) in the mid-70's with it in
a kitchen, 'storing recipies'.
Wish I had kept it.
(Btw, a friend of mine scored an 'audry', and as a browser, it really
rocks.)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Chase [mailto:vaxzilla@jarai.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:16 PM
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Classic kitchen computer products?
>
>
> I'm sure most people on the list are familiar with Honeywell's Kitchen
> Computer. And then there are also plenty of more recent attempts to
> computerize the kitchen these days: The Electrolux fridge computer,
> 3COM's aborted Audrey internet appliance, and a whole range of systems
> from South Korea's LG Electronics.
>
> But what of the intervening years? What was going on during the 1970s
> and 1980s to conquer the kitchen with computer technology; either with
> software or hardware? I've vague recollections of commercial software
> being availble for 80s era microcomputers--things like recipe
> databases
> software--but I can't come up with any specific examples.
>
> Does anyone here know of other classic computer kitchen automation
> products from bygone decades?
>
> -brian.
>
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Well I have the manuals and all the related stuff but having been ripped
off by the inept operators of eBay, I refuse to acknowledge their
existence other than to regularly wish a pox on their first born children
Rich
From: "Glen Goodwin" <acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Kaypro 10
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:02:25 -0400
Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Happy hunting. The last one I saw on eBay went for $175, no diskettes,
no
manuals, just the box.
Glen
Happy hunting. The last one I saw on eBay went for $175, no diskettes, no
manuals, just the box.
Glen
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> From: loedman1(a)juno.com
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Kaypro 10
> Date: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 7:18 PM
>
> Looking for a Kaypro 10 with CP/M 2.2 OS. Drives must be in good shape
>
> Rich Stephenson
> loedman1(a)juno.com
If I am not for myself, who will be for me?
And if not now, when?
-- Pirkei Avot
Hi
I'm looking for a good reference book on Pascal.
I'm looking for something in the 1982 to 1985 time range.
The Pascal, I have, is said to be MS-Pascal. I didn't know that
they did a Pascal but it may have been someone elses
that they OEM'd. I don't think it is Turbo Pascal
so don't suggest your favorite TP book.
Of course, it isn't on a x86 machine so there may be
differences. I am mostly interested in the kind of things
one would normally find in the object library that one
would use with this compiler. They mention that it is
a shared library with MS-FORTRAN. Information on FORTRAN
libraries might also be useful.
Thanks
Dwight
> While we're on the subject, did anyone see the article "Data
> Extinction" in the October 2002 issue of Technology Review?
Yeah, but I was somewhat disappointed. The cover made it sound like they
would discuss *media* that would last a long time, but they were just
talking about maintaining the ability for software to handle the data.
That's obviously worthwhile, but it's also much easier to figure out:
1) Use industry-standard data formats, not proprietary formats
2) Use text-based formats where possible rather than binary formats 3)
Keep a specification for the format along with that data, ideally
on the same physical medium
4) Keep the source code for the software that processes the data,
ideally on the same physical medium. Ideally use software written
in a programming language that is widely used, not something
obscure.
5) Keep the tools used to build the binary of the software.
etc.
On the media side, though, AFAIK there is only one high-density
machine-readable media that can be expected with any confidence to last
much more than 20 years. That is CD-R with a gold-coated substrate
rather than silver or aluminum. Note that gold-tinted dye is NOT
sufficient. The main failure mechanism for CD-Rs is oxidation of
the reflective layer, and a gold layer won't do that, so then your limit
is based on other physical processes that occur even more slowly.
Kodak's accelerated aging tests indicated a typical life of several
hundred years, so they conservatively claimed one hundred. They used to
have a white paper on their web site.
However, almost everyone that made gold CD-R media (including Kodak) has
abandoned it. Mitsui appears to still offer it. Of course, it's more
expensive than the cheap stuff by a factor of two or more.
Kodak came up with a "marketing breakthrough" in offering discs with a
blend of silver and gold. They claim these to be better than silver
only discs, though not as good as gold-only. I am very dubious that
these mixed discs will actually hold up better than silver-only, since
there's not actually enough gold to be sufficiently reflective if all of
the silver oxidizes. But I don't really understand the chemistry of it,
so perhaps somehow the mix keeps the silver from oxidizing as quickly?
I speculate, but have *no* evidence, that gold CD-RW media might last
even longer than gold CD-R media. This is because it takes a higher
energy level to cause a phase change in CD-RW media.
If you need to archive data with any media with a limited lifetime
(which means any media at all), you have several potential problems.
You need to recopy the media before it fails, and you need to make sure
that you don't introduce any errors in replication. The longer the
lifetime of the original media, the less of a problem this will be.
When you do recopy the media, you'll probably want (or need) to copy it
onto a different, more modern medium.
One of the things people have worried about is how long CD-ROM drives
will exist. I believe that twenty-five years from now it will not be
difficult to find a working drive that can read CD-ROMs, but that in
fifty nears it will be somewhat difficult. However, one advantage of
the CD format is that it was designed to be so simple that a
microprocessor is not even necessary in a player or drive. This was a
serious design consideration in the late 1970s when Sony and Philips
were developing the CD for audio use, though by the time they introduced
the first actual products in 1983 the cost of a microprocessor was so
low as to make "dumb" CD players impractical.
The CD and CD-Audio specifications are widely available. You can't get
the official specs without paying some money, but they're in IEC 60908
(CD-Audio) and ISO/IEC 10149 (CD-ROM extension) which are *much* less
expensive than buying the Red Book and Yellow Bookfrom Philips.
I believe that building a crude but working CD-ROM drive from scratch
would be a reasonable project for a few grad students, so if it is really
the case that in 50 or 100 years, no new CD-ROM-compatible drives are
commercially available and no old ones still work, it won't be an
insurmountable challenge to read CD-Rs.
If you want a medium with even better longevity than that, I suggest
punched mylar tape. But the density is orders of magnitude worse than
for CD-R.
hi all,
back on the list after maybe a three year absence - nice to see the list is
still going!
anyone know of a good place to post adverts for classic stuff? I'm sure it used
to be frowned upon on this list, and probably still is; I've checked the FAQ on
www.classiccmp.org and it's missing the whole section on list etiquette though,
so I'm none the wiser :-)
(rather not use loot, ebay etc. unless I have to as I don't want the machine
being turned into a coffee table, beer fridge, ashtray etc. etc.!)
cheers
Jules
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As promised, the results of my shipment of a large
heavy pallet:
The package was picked up on time by the shipping
company selected from freightquote.com's list of
shippers (I took the cheapest). That was Monday this
week.
Delivery occurred this morning (Wednesday), it was
supposed to take 3 business days so they somewhat beat
their estimate.
They did NOT call the receiving party prior to showing
up, but it turned out OK, and everything arrived in
one peice. This was a pallet load of 9 track tapes
and weighed in at 712 pounds.
-- Frank
--- Clayton Frank Helvey <msspcva(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> FWIW:
>
> I'm in the process of using freightquote.com's
> service
> to do this very thing. I signed up for my
> corporation
> but I don't normally ship a large amount of stuff; I
> have a bunch of older AS/400 gear I'm trying to sell
> off.
>
> I have a pallet of 650 pounds (U.S.), standard
> sized,
> quoted to ship from Roanoke to Illionis for $184
> with
> 3 day delivery. On Monday I'll find out if the
> shipping company (Central Transport International)
> will pick it up on time; on Thursday or Friday I'll
> find out if it got destroyed enroute (which is what
> insurance is for!).
>
> I'll post an after-action report once I find out how
> it went.
>
> -- Frank
>
> --- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote:
> > Robert A. Feldman wrote:
> > > I need to ship a large, heavy crate (about 30" x
> > 12" x 72" and around
> > > 200-250 pounds) in the US. What company would
> you
> > recommend?
> > > Please answer off-list, directly to my email.
> >
> > Actually, please DO answer on-list. This
> > information is of general
> > interest to many of us.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Does anyone here have the XENIX and/or XENIX Development System disks for a
TRS-80 Model 16/6000? I have a Tandy 6000 that I like a lot, and have been
playing around with for a few months, but the XENIX installation seems
rather spotty. Some command line utilities seem to be missing and the
development tools are missing completely. I suppose the previous user did
that to conserve disk space.
On a related note - If anyone has a TRS-80 Model 12/16/6000 keyboard
suffering from keys that have a lack of bounce, removing the keycap and
stretching the spring out a little works wonders.
--
Owen Robertson
I've got a rebadged Sony GDM-20E20 and GDM-20D11 that have some issues and
was wondering if anyone had technical information about them. The E20
seems to have HV ok, but doesn't display any picture - but it appears to
be powered up ok. The D11 won't switch out of powersave mode.
If anyone has any info, reply to me off-list
Pat
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completely fucking incompetent when it comes to employing technology"
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