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by glenslick＠hotmail.com

I have some HP 1000 E/F docs including some power supply docs and at one point I did look at them to see if I could find information about that battery resister. I never found it. But someone else on the list told me that something like an 880ohm resister across the left most and right most terminals of the middle row of the battery connector input would trigger the power supply to power up all of the way. That did the trick for the HP 1000 / 2117F that I have. -Glen >I've found the .pdf version of the HP 1000/M/E/F Engineering Docs, but >every copy I've been able to access is missing section 9 (still can't keep >track of the Roman Numerals they mark the sections with) which covers the >power supply. > >There seems something a tad 'twinky' with mine, tho I seem to recall at >one point someone had directed me to a jumper/resistor that needed to be >installed at the 'Battery Input' connector on the rear to wake something >up, but of course now that I'm working on it I can't find anything... > >Help??? > >-jim _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&… http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_…

23 years, 3 months

DEC 3000 300X/300

by fire＠dls.net

I finally am almost within reach of getting my DEC 3000 300 working. A few years ago I foolishly purchased it without memory, thinking it would be a simple matter to inexpensively pick up some memory later. How wrong I was. Now I have purchased a DEC 3000 300X with 160MB memory with the intention of lending 32MB to the 300. Now I look at the back of the machine and my main question is what cable do I need to hook up my VT220, or my VT420, or what model monitor with keyboard and mouse is this thing supposed to work with? In a typical DEC fashion, in the manual they do not mention model numbers of monitor to go with it, but there are rough instructions that I may be able to follow to get dumb terminal console working. I would ideally like to have real monitor on 300X, VT420 on 300, leaving my VT220 free for my MicroVax II. Oh yeah, I have a TK50 in MicroVax II currently. I also have TK70 with correct controller board that I would like to put in its place. Friend who I acquired MicroVax II from claimed that I needed different cable to go from TK70 controller card to TK70 drive than cable for TK50. It looks to me like both cables have 26 pins in two rows of thirteen. I suppose one of the cables might not be straight through but have a twist/transposition of pins. Will my current cable work? Do I need a new one? Once I get it working, anyone want the TK50 drive and controller card? Bradley Slavik

23 years, 3 months

DEC LA36 Decwriter II

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

Hi, >From: "Fred Flintstone" <iamvirtual(a)hotmail.com> >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: DEC LA36 Decwriter II >Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:43:54 -0900 >Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > >I guess I should have been more specific :-) > >I have what appears to be an OEM LA36. The label on the front says 'Data >Terminal Mart'. On the back, there is a label from Digital which gives the >model number as LA36DP. The processor board inside is made by Datasouth >Computer Corporation (P/N 512000-2). There is an 8 DIPswitch located on the >board. I do not have any documentation for this particular model and thus, >I do not know what the settings should be on the switches. I do have user >docs for an older LA36, but it does not cover my particular model. > >I am looking for information on the LA36, specifically the 8 dip switches. Ok, you seem to have a third party controller in your LA36. Because DEC build a real heavey-duty construction for the LA36, and let it print only with 30 cps. many people and some companies thought it could do much better. The few companies mentioned before put to the market several replacement- controllers, making a LA36+ (mpnc) with a much better performnce, sometimes 150 or so cps, loadable fonts and/or pixel-graphics ect. The many people bought those controllers and integrated them into their LA36'es and DEC-Fieldservice didn't got tired of telling anyone that a terminal upgraded that way would certainley disintegrate into its atoms "whitin months"... (I've never seen this happen). These 3rd-party controllers would completeley replace the original DEC-made logic board that was attached to the innerside of the back-door, and was about just as big as that door itself. (mpnc = my personal naming convention) So the DEC printset won't help you much with this, you should find a manual of Datasouth, to get details on the dip-switches. (most likeley they set the baudrate, and the switch in the keyboard has maybe got some other function. > >What I am trying to accomplish is to get the terminal console working on my >PDP-11/10 (really it is a PDP-11/05) prior to getting my PDP-11/20 running. > That should be possible, 11/10+05 have only 20mA cuircuits. The 11/05 computer is always the active party (=supplying current to the loop) on both Tx and Rx. The baud-rate is made by a rather unstable pair of one-shot monostables. Use a osscilloscope to set the time of this to either 26 or 35,5 microseconds. You need 26 us for the selection of 150 (tap5) - 2400 (tap1) baud, or 35,5 us for 110 baud on tap5 of the swich. > >When I hook everything up, the SCL on the PDP-11/10 has the expected >voltages. When I connect it up to the LA36, the voltages are driven to near >0v. I think, thats normal, afterall when the terminal is idle, there will be no current flow. Put your multimeter into mA-mode, and put it in series into the loop. Use preferably a cheap passive arrow-meter, the cheaper it is, the better the measurement. Alternativeley, you can also put a led somewhere in the loop. create data-output, and see what happens >I am not sure I have things hooked up correctly, or if there is a >problem with the SCL. I used the docs I had for the older LA36 to connect >my LA36DP. The connections I made were from T+ on the PDP-11 to R+ on the >LA36 and T- on the PDP-11 to R- on the LA36. Seems ok to me. (long time ago...) (Beware however that the naming-conventions for ths 20mA current-loop were not always consistent. There is no industry standard for this. I dont know how Datsouth has named its connection-terminals) If all this is ok, still nothing will happen if the baud-rate is unmatched between 11/05 (rotary switch and trim-potentiometer on M7260) and probably dip-switch and/or Keyboard-button or keyboard sequence on the LA36+ >When the LA36 is not >connected, there is no voltage on the Transmit/Receive which I am presuming >means the LA36 is in passive mode. Ack. >Voltages are present on the Transmit/Receive on the PDP-11 side, >and I presume the SCL is in active mode. Ack. Hope you can solve this. Frank

23 years, 3 months

DEC 11/03 on eBay

by jpl15＠panix.com

An interesting 11/03 system, has twin DSD 8" drives, and some kind of DSD data acquisition card (A/D D/A???) dunno can't see enough detail in the pics. Seller seems to be rather.... well, 'scattered'.... ;} http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2084606280&category=4193 Cheers John

23 years, 3 months

Z8000-Fan

by cpg＠aladdin.de

On 12/27/2002 02:48:31 PM CET G?nter Mewes wrote: > >today I was looking for some Z8000 Fans, to talk about experieces ... >Are you interested ? Yes, I am. regards, chris

23 years, 3 months

Noise levels (was VAX 11/780)

by acme＠ao.net

From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> To: Glen Goodwin <acme(a)ao.net> Subject: Re: VAX 11/780 anyone with some working experience out there? Date: 12/25/2002 4:47 PM > another, but no such luck... and I know plenty of folks who spent long > years working in big machine rooms... 90+ dB all the time... no thanks. Umm, 90+ dB? Can this be right?? That seems awfully loud. Is that typical for larger machines? Just one more thing to take into account before I seriously consider moving any larger equipment in here . . . Glen 0/0

23 years, 3 months

IBM 5161

by jingber＠ix.netcom.com

Does anyone have a description of what the "felt pad" for the IBM 5161 looked like, and did this item come from IBM/with the unit? See this thread for reference: http://www.classiccmp.org/mail-archive/classiccmp/1998-12/0378.html Thanks, Jeff

23 years, 3 months

Trying to make a connector for my Documation M200 card reader

by djg＠drs-esg.com

From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> >So I guess I should open my reader up and find out which version it used >in order to determine how to wire up my connector to the 6522? > Probably best. On the parts page 12-31 the IC's with the multiple #'s are the ones that change between the versions (see the next page also).

23 years, 3 months

LA36 various responses

by alderney＠telusplanet.net

One person interested in 20 ma LA36's, and I think an answer in error from Don Maslin. Thanks for the information on the 20 ma question Kevin and Larry I'm not sure if these units are 20ma loop - but from their history I'd expect them all to be the same. The plug on the connecting cable is a DB25 female, and the wires go to pins 1 through 7. Models are; Datacom 400 (the one which may work), 2 Datacom 1200's, and 1 Decwriter III. Does the pin connection help with the 20ma question, or is there a simple test I can make on the lines? I'm not sure from Kevin Hardy's letter if one could just change the wiring - it sounds like it, but these may be OK already. I tried to see if I could tell what the output driver is (as per Larry's comment), but the board isn't very easy to see. There appears to be an output IC labelled 7550 - is this a valid TTL number? Don Woods Message: 3 >From: Barry Moyer <barry.moyer(a)pason.com> >To: "'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org'" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: DEC LA36 >Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:08:19 -0700 >Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > >Don, > >I am in Calgary and I have a newer LA36, but I am looking for another older >LA36 with a 20mA loop connection. You can contact me at 'iamvirtual at >hotmail dot com' (replace at with @, dot with .) > >Thanks > >Barry > ... > >Message: 9 >From: "Fred Flintstone" <iamvirtual(a)hotmail.com> >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: DEC LA36 units >Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:46:02 -0900 >Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > >Don, > >I am currently looking for an older LA36 which has a 20mA connection (I need >it to connect to my ancient PDP-11s). Do you know the model numbers for the >LA36? > >Thanks. > >--Barry > >. > >Message: 15 >Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:59:09 -0800 (PST) >From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: DEC LA36 units >Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > >No Barry, sorry, but Dec printers are outside my area of knowledge. > > - don Message: 4 Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:39:19 -0700 From: Kevin Handy <kth(a)srv.net> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: DEC LA36 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Barry Moyer wrote: >Don, > >I am in Calgary and I have a newer LA36, but I am looking for another older >LA36 with a 20mA loop connection. You can contact me at 'iamvirtual at >hotmail dot com' (replace at with @, dot with .) > > I believe that the 20ma current loop was available for all the LA36's. It was just a different cabling option, bit a 'new' or 'old' version thing. You could buy the 20ma current loop with your LA36, or later as an option to change an existing one from RS232 to 20ma. Message: 13 From: "Truthan,Larry" <truthanl(a)oclc.org> To: "'iamvirtual(a)hotmail.com'" <iamvirtual(a)hotmail.com> Cc: "'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org'" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: DEC LA36 Decwriter II Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:42:02 -0500 Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org I have the engineering prints in the LA 36 Decwriter II LA36 (MPC5) sheet 5 of 8 shows 20 ma RECIEVE on J3 pin 7(+) and Pin 3(-) bridged by a 3.3 volt zener D4 746A feeding a 4N26 (E43) opto-isolator which drives a MXAA05 (Q4) driver transitor which has its collector on J4 pin 2 "S.I." (serial in) 20 ma TRANSMIT is on J3 Pin 5(+) and Pin 2(-). These pins are bridged by a 1N4004 diode D6. This diode also is parallel to the emitter/collector of Q2, an A05. which is driven by another 4N26 opto-isolator (E47). S.O. is J4 pin 4. It is driven by a 7404 inverter (E62)-(Input is 7404 pin 3 connected to the diode cathode of the opto-isolator, output is 7404 pin 4, which connects directly to J4 pin 4, "S.O." serial out) Sincerely Larry Truthan

23 years, 3 months

Free MCA Card (possibly a Streaming Tape Adapter)

by ram_suganthi＠hotmail.com

Hi, I am sending this out again as I got no response. If I dont get one this time, out it goes. I have a MCA card that might be a streaming tape adapter (dont know as I dont have a MCA system). It is free for the taking (shipping charges do apply, unless you are willing to pick it up at 11553 Long Island)... Cheers, Ram _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&… http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_…

23 years, 3 months

New software acquisitions

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Finding old computers at the second-hand stores is getting difficult now but I did goto one place and look through some software boxes they had. Lots of DOS based stuff and ... OS/2 ! I got: warp server IBM training book and VCR tape for 2.1 warp 4 with mic faxworks pro galactic civilizations still wrapped warp connect DB2 single user hyperaccess OS2 system sounds IBM attachpak for OS/2 I left behind warp red box but I'm glad I found it all. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

23 years, 3 months

Reward for SWTPC PR-40 printer

by Rick＠jelcoventures.com

I am looking for this pretty rare printer - a SWTPC PR-40. Am offering a $200 reward for information leading to a purchase. Rick Crandall rick(a)jelcoventures.com

23 years, 3 months

Amplifier manuals

by cb＠mythtech.net

This isn't exactly on topic as it isn't computer stuff, but it is older than 10 years, and I know there are some audio people on this list. I have the following amplifier manuals or data sheets available: -Shure Data Sheet for models M68, M68FC, M68FCE -Realistic MPA-35 owners manual -Realistic MPA-100 owners manual -Bogen Installation and Operation Manual for models CHS-35A, CHS-60A, CHS-100A -Shure Data Sheet/Manual for models AMS4000, AMS8000 -TOA manual for models A-903, A-906, A-912 -EDCOR data sheet for model MA-35 (two of these) If anyone wants them, just give me an address to mail them to and a list of the ones you want. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 3 months

Fw: HP stuff FS

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Just passing this on. gil >From: "John" <john_a_s(a)hotmail.com> >To: <gil(a)vauxelectronics.com> >Subject: Fw: HP stuff FS >Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:05:51 -0000 > >Hi Gil, > >Could you pass this on to ClassicCmp cctalk list please? I think the guy >below has a 1970s HP-1000E for sale, his web page is at: > >http://www.w9fz.com/hp9000/index.html > >The 82901M on the disks page has gone, below is the edited version. > >Wishing you a Happy Christmas! >John > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <w9fz(a)ix.netcom.com> >To: "John" <john_a_s(a)hotmail.com> >Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:16 AM >Subject: Re: HP availability > > >> Hi there: >> >> I think the picture you're talking about was an HP1000E . I actually have >> another one of those in stock ready to go. A guy, who says he is not >really a >> collector, but rather a guy who used to use those in his work, wanted that >> one. Apparently he had some software punch tapes and a reader and he read >> some code into it. There were two HP1000E's. THe one in the picture is >the >> shorter one. THe one I have now available is the taller one. >> >> Bruce Richardson >> W9FZ > > ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

23 years, 3 months

Otrona Attache

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Steve, Last question first: his eBay seller's ID is "grizzylee" and one of his auctions is at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2052204164. As to your first question, depends on how much you like the Otrona, and how much of a collector you are. I still have my 8:16. If you try to sell your Attache, don't expect more than $50-$75 on eBay. I have seen some go for more, but there does not seem to be a "hot" market for them. As to the video, I have heard that the video chip (a 5027, IIRC) often went bad, but I do not know if that would cause the symptom you see (Tony?). It might just need an adjustment to the Vertical Sync pot. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Steve Smith [mailto:ssmith12@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 8:17 PM To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Otrona Attache Hi J.C., I have a functioning Attache (it has some video probs; like vertical roll) which I've owned since new. Should I fix it or sell it? If so, how (either/both). And who is this Donald that has all Otrona's inventory? If you don't mind my asking.... --Steve Smith

23 years, 3 months

Additional information for Labtech manuals

by vcf＠siconic.com

The date of publication for the manuals I am seeking should be circa 1986-1987. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 3 months

Need documentation for Chips & Technologies Super386

by vcf＠siconic.com

I need any documentation for the Chips & Technologies Super386 chipset. $$$ -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 3 months

Searching for Labtech software manuals ($$$)

by vcf＠siconic.com

I am seeking out the manuals for the following software by Labtech: Acquire Notebook Realtime Access Also looking for the manual for Strawberry Tree Computers "Laboratory & Industrial Data Acquisition & Control". If you've got them, please e-mail me directly at <sellam(a)vintage.org>. There is a bounty on each one. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 3 months

DEC LA36 Decwriter II

by iamvirtual＠hotmail.com

I guess I should have been more specific :-) I have what appears to be an OEM LA36. The label on the front says 'Data Terminal Mart'. On the back, there is a label from Digital which gives the model number as LA36DP. The processor board inside is made by Datasouth Computer Corporation (P/N 512000-2). There is an 8 DIPswitch located on the board. I do not have any documentation for this particular model and thus, I do not know what the settings should be on the switches. I do have user docs for an older LA36, but it does not cover my particular model. I am looking for information on the LA36, specifically the 8 dip switches. What I am trying to accomplish is to get the terminal console working on my PDP-11/10 (really it is a PDP-11/05) prior to getting my PDP-11/20 running. When I hook everything up, the SCL on the PDP-11/10 has the expected voltages. When I connect it up to the LA36, the voltages are driven to near 0v. I am not sure I have things hooked up correctly, or if there is a problem with the SCL. I used the docs I had for the older LA36 to connect my LA36DP. The connections I made were from T+ on the PDP-11 to R+ on the LA36 and T- on the PDP-11 to R- on the LA36. When the LA36 is not connected, there is no voltage on the Transmit/Receive which I am presuming means the LA36 is in passive mode. Voltages are present on the Transmit/Receive on the PDP-11 side, and I presume the SCL is in active mode. Unfortunately, I am not sure if this is correct (I am from the RS232 generation, the 20mA is slightly confusing). Any ideas? >From: "Truthan,Larry" <truthanl(a)oclc.org> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >To: "'iamvirtual(a)hotmail.com'" <iamvirtual(a)hotmail.com> >CC: "'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org'" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: DEC LA36 Decwriter II >Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:42:02 -0500 > >I have the engineering prints in the LA 36 Decwriter II > >LA36 (MPC5) sheet 5 of 8 shows 20 ma RECIEVE on J3 pin 7(+) and Pin 3(-) >bridged by a 3.3 volt zener D4 746A feeding a 4N26 (E43) opto-isolator >which drives a MXAA05 (Q4) driver transitor which has its collector on J4 >pin 2 "S.I." (serial in) > >20 ma TRANSMIT is on J3 Pin 5(+) and Pin 2(-). These pins are bridged >by a 1N4004 diode D6. This diode also is parallel to the >emitter/collector of Q2, an A05. which is driven by another 4N26 >opto-isolator (E47). S.O. is J4 pin 4. It is driven by a 7404 >inverter >(E62)-(Input is 7404 pin 3 connected to the diode cathode of the >opto-isolator, output is 7404 pin 4, which connects directly to J4 pin 4, >"S.O." serial out) > >Sincerely > >Larry Truthan > > >In reply to: > >Message: 29 >Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:39:19 -0700 >From: Kevin Handy <kth(a)srv.net> >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: DEC LA36 _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=74… http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmoresp…

23 years, 3 months

Other (non-HP) DOS clamshells?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Prolinear made a model with an 80386 processor. -----Original Message----- From: evan [mailto:evan947@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 6:31 AM To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Other (non-HP) DOS clamshells? Hi all... besides than the HP-95/100/200, what are other DOS clamshells of the era? I'm aware of the Atari Portfolio and the Poqet device, but there are several more, methinks...

23 years, 3 months

Z8000-Fan

by info＠mewesbus.de

Hi Mr. Johnston, today I was looking for some Z8000 Fans, to talk about experieces ... Are you interested ? Please, be so kind and send a mail. Guenter Mewes (www.guentermewes.de)

23 years, 3 months

Looking for docs on Spectron D502 data analyzer

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Subject pretty much says it all. Anyone got docs on this critter? Thanks; -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

23 years, 3 months

Other (non-HP) DOS clamshells?

by evan947＠yahoo.com

Hi all... besides than the HP-95/100/200, what are other DOS clamshells of the era? I'm aware of the Atari Portfolio and the Poqet device, but there are several more, methinks... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

23 years, 3 months

Thrift Find: New Mattel Aquarius

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

I was browsing at the Goodwill yesterday and ran across what seemed to be a new (out of box) Mattel Aquarius. It still had the plastic protector on the wall wart pins, and there were no scratches on those mains pins. The unit was clean overall with no noticable scratches or wear. Has cassette cable. The downside: $24.95. White tag, so no possibility of a discount. I've kinda always wanted an Aquarius, but that seems high to me. Am I wrong? I left it on the shelf. Did pick up an Apple PowerMac AV card with a pair of the mini-DIN-to-RCA input/output cables and a System 7.5 CD in the box - $5. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

23 years, 3 months

Trying to make a connector for my Documation M200 card reader

by vcf＠siconic.com

So I'm using the holiday pause to hopefully get my project to build an interface for my Documation M200 card reader back on track. I'm using an Apple ][ with a serial card and custom 6522 VIA card as a parallel to serial converter. The 6522 has just enough inputs to read all data and signal lines from the reader. The documenation from the reader is online thanks to David Gesswein. It has been very helpful, but proves to be too cryptic for this novice to be able to build the connector. I have the ELCO connector almost all wired up. The last step is to get the wiring between the cable and the 6522 VIA connector bridge that I've built. The manual says the output is a "type 7404 TTL output" and a diagram in the same shows some voltages and current draws that make no sense to me and don't really facilitate an understanding (at least to this untrained eye) of what to expect on the pins as data is read.

23 years, 3 months

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