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by ejchapel＠attbi.com

I have a M0100 mouse in good condition. Contact me for if you are still looking. Ed Chapel Vancouver WA USA >From: "Arthur Odekerken" <admin(a)cchasselt.be> >To: <dan(a)decodesystems.com> >Subject: Apple mouse >Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 23:51:07 +0100 > >Hi! > >I am a systems administrator at a cultural center in Belgium. We have 3 >light tables (12 years old) that are steered with a mouse but we only have >one mouse left. It was very hard for me to find a mouse that worked, >because it had to be a female DB9 Serial plug, with at least 7 cables >soldered. Finally I came across the Apple M0100 (Made in the U.S.A. type >590-0320). At your website I found some pictures of the same mouse. My >question now is, do you know where I can find such a mouse, because if I >don't find it, it could cost the centre a lot more money than just the >price of one mouse. > >Thanks! > >Arthur Odekerken

23 years, 3 months

8086/8088 Primer - an intro to the Architecture, System Design, & Programming

by collison＠cnri.reston.va.us

I found a manual in my collectibles, "The 8086/8088 Primer - An Introduction to Their Architecture, System Design, and Programming" Anyone interested?

23 years, 3 months

Clinton Macintosh Repair & Maintenance manual

by collison＠cnri.reston.va.us

Anybody have an interest in this?

23 years, 3 months

Dos V3.2, V3.10, & V2.0 - who was looking for this?

by collison＠cnri.reston.va.us

I found several versions of DOS in my collectibles, incl.: DOS V3.10 on 51/4 floppies with ref manual, user's guide, & applic setup guide DOS V2.0 on 51/4 floppies with ref manual DOS V3.2 users guide [may have the OS on floppies, but would need to determine interest prior to searching] Anyway, there was some traffic a few days ago from someone looking for an early version of DOS on floppies, 51/4 I think So, anyone out there interested?

23 years, 3 months

New to List

by paul＠ease.co.uk

Hi all I?m new to this, but IBM AS/400 and larger mainframes are my interests. Paul

23 years, 3 months

HP9000 Workstations

by amanise＠mscn.demon.co.uk

Hi Folks, Please forgive my ignorance in this respect, but are HP9000 series 300 and 700 workstations considered classic computers yet. The ones I'm thinking of were new around about 1992, and are pretty well complete - although the owner can't get them to boot now. You might have seen my list of stuff I posted here last week - same stuff. I thought I'd better make a posting asking a bit more about their classic status now - since I didn't get a single expression of interest in the equipment. Are they desirable at all - or just old boxes? The lack of interest might have been because I stated thet they were uk based, do any other Brits subscribe to this list? So many questions, so little time.... Seriously, if anyone can spare a few minutes to steer me in the right direction on getting rid of these things I'd really appreciate it. Many thanks Adrian Manise

23 years, 3 months

Was there a DEC LINC-5 (not -8)?

by classiccmp＠crash.com

> > There actually may be more PDP-12s out there today than there are PDP-8s > > or PDP-8/Is. Certainly more than the PDP-8/S or LINC-8 machines. > > If only I could find a LINC-8. :-/ Something I've been wondering about -- my prep school had what I very strongly remember being labeled as a LINC-5, definitely DEC, a large cabinet with formica counter under a blinkenlight front panel. And a TTY or Flex-o-writer positioned next to or mounted on an "L" or return extension of the counter. The powder blue/lime green color scheme from the LINC-8 photos looks right, but it was definitely in the neighborhood of ~5 feet tall rather than a standard 19" rack. It was built out of what must have been Flip Chips, in a cage around to the right of the unit as you faced the console. Sadly they decommissioned it after my first year (1981/82), and I never got a chance to learn anything about it - it was reserved for upper classmen only. Also, the sole teacher who understood the beast (Mr. Garrison, noted for his gruff nature and pipe smoking) was leaving or retiring after that year. Is my memory faulty and this had to be a LINC-8, or was there such a thing as a LINC-5? Thanks, --Steve. LINC Links: The LINC: An Early "Personal Computer" [Quick history. --S.] http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=1493/ddj0004hc/do200007hc001.htm Laboratory Instrument Computer (LINC) "The Genesis of a Technological Revolution" [Nice, narrative history of the original development. --S.] http://www.nih.gov/od/museum/exhibits/linc/main.html What different PDP-8 models were made? http://www.faqs.org/faqs/dec-faq/pdp8/section-6.html

23 years, 3 months

Help with pricing on EPay

by 3sdiarftt02＠sneakemail.com

> One of my main beefs are the number of sellers in the US > who restrict the volume of bids by refusing to ship to > anywhere outside own their limited vision of the world. > Either thru fear of unknown extra efforts, (which for the > most part are minimal) or even ignoring the "will ship to" > section. My pet hate is people that charge 50% to 100% more postage to ship from the US to Australia than it actually costs. I have been gouged, *over*charged, an amount almost equal to the cost of the item before now. That is to say that on a US$25 item I might be charged US$35 postage, but it's only cost US$18 for them to post. I've walked away from purchases where postage costs have been this disproportionally high. Chris J.

23 years, 3 months

IBM system 3

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

Oh yeah, there are other stories concerning left behind comps. ironic though, i listen to a satellite hobbiest radio network (www.w0kie.com) and thier playing the blues as i am writing this. while working security at a local plant, the managers were so used to my scrounging that they usually told me about new stuff in the scrap bin during my break. so as usual, when hearing about "some computer stuff in the bin" i go out to it expecting more plc stuff (joy, more westinghouse pc-1100's to add to my collection). i look into the bin and find two boxes with non standard port/ connectors on it marked "four phase systems". i was about to load them into my car - when i thought why, i'll never find anything more for this comp no docs or hd's,printer etc. it turns out that i left 460/470 cpu's go for scrap! next week - same story but these are still on the loading dock - yep my jaw about hit the floor when i found a rack with the hd,diablo disc drive,comms,printer and terminals next to the rack and a box of spare cards for both cpu's aggghhhhh! i still have that half of the system. but wait it get's better!! last week - i call the local retired ibm c.e. and we start talking about old comps when i bring up the rare four phase stuff. yep he said it - "wow i just threw a complete system 470 away last year" - doh!!!!!! of all the systems i have passed up - the iv-70 is the one that haunts me the most - so close yet so far. someday - i may find the cpu's, or part with the half that i have (no, not scrap but trade or give away). one note - i am glad that the VCF does have a complete four phase system 470 perserved - that fact alone help's me sleep at night when i remember my mistake of leaving the cpu's in the scrapper. Bill Message: 5 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:44:33 -0500 (EST) From: William Donzelli To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org cc: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: IBM system 3 Re: PDP-12 on eBay (IBM 650 on ebay) Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org > I curse this day --> Back in college (many years ago, about 1983, before I > got into collecting), I went to the apartment of a fellow compsci major to > quell some beer. In the middle of his living room was a complete IBM system > 3, in perfectly mint condition. He told me I could have it if I could get it > out of there. Idiot me said "You gotta be kidding - no thanks". *SIGH* This seems to be a good test to see if you are an official old-timer in the computer collecting hobby - passing up a free machine that today people would kill for. I have been there, many times (IBM, Amdahl, DG). How about others? William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org --__--__-- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

23 years, 3 months

DOS 3.20

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Hmm... I'm ancient, not quite set in my ways, but close, and really want to get hold of that book. The shot at getting one on e-bay was pretty close (package, disk and all!), but the auction had already closed. Hmm. Do we have acces, somewhere, to a 'grand library of esoteric tech-dom?' Might find one there... -smiles- Cheers! Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, TX; USA Phone (210) 592-3110, Fax (210) 592-2048 edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org@PEUSA On Behalf Of Sellam > Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 11:55 AM > To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: RE: DOS 3.20 > > On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Tillman, Edward wrote: > > > Any ideas where to find one now though? > > Try a local thrift store. If you don't find the manual you're looking > for, you may just find a good book on MS-DOS that has similar information. > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer > Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at > www.VintageTech.com * >

23 years, 3 months

VAX 11/780 /750 Diagnostics - new project

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Guys, After fighting (with no success) my 11/780 again today and wasting a buttload of electricity doing it, it looks like I'm going to have to bite the bullet and create a diagnostic application to help me figure what is wrong with the beast. I originally thought about writing a JAVA-based application that would communicate with the console (card on the 750 and 11/03 on the 780) and by using the minimal troubleshooting commands available, and at least isolate what sections of the startup routines were failing or examine the memory space to figure out what may or may not be responding or is out-of-whack. I would appreciate it if anyone here had some documentation for the 780 outside of the following manuals: Diagnostic System User's Guide Hardware Users Guide Remote Diagnostic Option Guide ... available for purchase - please let me know. These manuals I already have, and if I can't get any clear documentation describing the routines that the 11/03 is executing, then I'll have to manually (with the help of this application) disassemble the code to determine what's not happy. The built in console diagnostics of the 780 do not really give a clear enough picture to find out exactly what has failed just by looking at the program counter value when the 11/03 stops during the boot process (at least with the troubleshooting docs I currently have). I was hoping to create an application that would simulate the boot process, but by examining/depositing register contents as the 11/03 would normally execute them, and provide more detailed information. Of course, this application, being serial based, could certainly extend beyond the realms of the 11/780 and 11/750. You could conceivably deposit boot programs into memory if your boot media fails, or even extend the application to work with other computers/manufacturers as well. Any suggestions or additional comments would be welcome. I would probably make this application available under a GPL- style license, even though I do not agree with Mr. Stallman's religious beliefs regarding commercial application development... (but that is a different story for another day) - Matt P.S. - Gunther - did you get your 780 running yet? Hopefully I can help you out as well. Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/subscribe_t&c.html. "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

23 years, 3 months

Help with pricing on EPay

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I buy and occasionally sell on EPay. Since I am out in the boonies now, I no longer have the luxury of a great curbside, dumpster, yardsale, or thrift-shop finds. While despite this, I did retrieve 2 DEC Pros from the town dump, and a complete Adam system, in the last 1 1/2 years here, and found a local salvager that gobbled up the remains of a government department that was closed down, there is very little available locally. It becomes a challenge to acquire even parts for your existing collection. From my perspective EPay serves a valuable function, and there are many of us far from urban centers. A recent request for Vax parts from a person. unexpectantly, in rural Alberta (Saskatchewan ?) drove that home to me, and it is true whether you're one of our strange breed, in India, Africa, or the Austalasia regions. One of my main beefs are the number of sellers in the US who restrict the volume of bids by refusing to ship to anywhere outside own their limited vision of the world. Either thru fear of unknown extra efforts, (which for the most part are minimal) or even ignoring the "will ship to" section. I routinely respond to something I'm interested in with "will you not ship to Canada" and the answer is almost invariably yes. They simply did the default form. Most Canadians are aware of this frustrating US national jingoism and rarely (never ?) do you find them posting similiar restrictions on sales because they know it simply involves filling out a small slip at the post office. The problems with the commercial shippers like UPS is a different number, and while it may work well in-country is a disaster outside. Similarly where I live, we pick up at the local post office so those who won't ship to a PO box are city dwellers who don't realise the realities outside the urban centers. Street addresses don't mean much here. Lawrence lgwalker@ mts.net

23 years, 3 months

Was there a DEC LINC-5 (not -8)?

by classiccmp＠crash.com

23 years, 3 months

VAXStation 4000/60

by livewire＠netadel.com

I rescued a VAXStation 4000/60 from Weirdstuff a few months ago and made a few attempts at locating VMS for it. I've had no luck, and due to a new project I've gotten myself into, I'd really like to find a home for this critter. It's got 24MB RAM and a hard disk of some size (I knew this earlier today..). It's in nice physical condition save the flip down panel cover which got broken off. If anyone wants this, and is in the SF Bay area (the closer to Mountain View the better) please send me an email and we'l arrange a pickup time/date. This is free to a good home. ---------------------------------------------- PLEASE NOTE: This e-mail server will be in the process of transitioning >from one IP address to another on 01/25/2003. If you experience un- deliverable email, bounced email, or other stangenesses, it is probably due to the move. Please try back in a couple of days if your mail to me gets messed up. ---------------------------------------------------

23 years, 3 months

IBM 3670 Brokerage Communication System - need old 1971 manuals

by jimkeo＠multi-platforms.com

Can anyone suggest where I might obtain an original or copy (they are less than 50 pages) of 2 IBM manuals: GA27-3048 IBM 3670 Brokerage Communication System Concepts & Configurator GA27-3049 IBM 3670 Brokerage Communication System Installation & Planning Also, if anyone recollects working with such a system (Merrill Lynch in early 70's?) I would appreciate a description of how a broker or analyst could specify stocks in which he/she was interested along with some price limits or ranges and then receive a message alert on the terminal if limits were exceeded during real-time monitoring of trades in that security. In other words how were price alerts implemented. Email me directly via jimkeo(a)multi-platforms.com with Subject "IBM 3670" if you can. Thanks! - Jim Jim Keohane, Multi-Platforms, Inc. "It's not whether you win or lose. It's whether you win!"

23 years, 3 months

[for sale] IBM 5100 + IBM 5120

by collector＠email.it

For sale: IBM 5100 + manuals + cassette http://www.inversewave.com/vintage/ibm5100.zip IBM 5120 http://www.inversewave.com/vintage/ibm5120.zip regards,

23 years, 3 months

IBM 5100

by gessler＠ucla.edu

I'm away from home but would appreciate hearing more about the possibility of buying a 5100 or related computer. Could someone please resend me the information? Many thanks, Nick

23 years, 3 months

An original Compaq "portable"

by MTPro＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/13/2003 12:55:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org writes: > YA AOL luser. LART, anyone? Hi Jeffrey, I just couldn't pass up responding to this from you. Prejudice is prejudice and it is wrong. You cannot stereotype any group of people, yeah, not even AOL users. You owe me and other decent AOL users on the list an apology. This is arrogance pure and simple Mr. high and mighty "subatomix" user. Best, David

23 years, 3 months

Mentec Hobbyist plans?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody know if Mentec (http://www.mentec-inc.com) has just dropped their hobbyist licensing/cdrom plans? Bill -- bill bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net austin, texas

23 years, 3 months

Looking for both parties who claimed my NeXT inkjet and IBM parts

by jingber＠ix.netcom.com

I had a rather lousy turn of events last night and hosed my inbox. I'm looking for the parties who negotiated a deal with myself for 1) NeXT inkjet printer, and 2) The remainder of the NeXT and IBM items. Thank You, Jeff

23 years, 3 months

An original AOLuser

by loedman1＠juno.com

>The AOL slamming that goes about on this list - indeed any of the >AOL/Microsoft/Luser slamming - does not help our image either. Yes, >folks, many people on the outside, including *many* respectable old >computer collectors, do not have a very good opinion of this list... >William Donzelli >aw288(a)osfn.org With the exception of the often excessive sarcasm of a certain member, I, as a relative newcomer find this list to be both informative and quite well run and the members to be quite generous with their knowledge both on and off the list. Rich Stephenson

23 years, 3 months

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by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Don't know if anyone would find anything useful here, but in a search for datasheets, I found this link ... Electronics Datasheets links ... http://la.mine.nu/~emil/electron.html

23 years, 3 months

Update: BBC Acorn

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 12, 18:38, Joe wrote: > Well the Acorn is alive again. I finally got around to fixing the > power supply. That also took care of the buzzing sound that was > coming from the speaker. I'm also now getting a prompt. Before the > PSU blew I was getting the ROM messages but no prompt. Now I'm > getting "Acorn OS", "Acorn DFS", "BASIC" and ">" with a blinking > underline prompt after that. However it's still not responding to > the keyboard (except for the Control-Break). Well, that's a fair amount of progress, even without the keyboard. Do you still have the description I wrote about how it works? > Just for the hell of it I tried powering it up with different > ROMs removed. With the "US BASIC" ROM removed it asked "What Language?". > Of course since the keyboard wasn't working I couldn't tell it anything. You wouldn't have been able to anyway. Without a language ROM of some sort, it won't listen to you. unless you have a Second Processor unit installed, and it drops to the "*" prompt. > With both the "US BASIC" and "DNFS" ROM removed it reported "View A2.1", > "No Text", Editing No File", "Screen Mode 7", "Printer Default" and a > "=>" prompt. Looks like I fell into some kind of monitor program. > Still can't do anything due to faulty keyboard. That's not a monitor prompt, it's the command mode of VIEW, which is a word processor. This is slightly odd. View is, in Acorn OS terms, a language, equivalent to BASIC, COMAL, LOGO, FORTH, Wordwise, or any number of terminal emulator ROMs. So removing BASIC but leaving View and the DNFS should have resulted in your getting the View prompt, just as it did when you took out both BASIC and DNFS. > I cleaned up before Christmas and misplaced the bag with the screws > for it, *&^(&%%! That's all right. No proper BBC Micro has screws, except three M3 machine screws to hold the PSU in place, and *possibly* some mushroom-head self-tappers to hold the PCB steady. The keyboard screws should be replaced with PCB clips for quick access, and the case screws should be thrown away ;-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 3 months

BBC Acorn

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 12, 19:43, Joe wrote: > Nope, all the RAMS are soldered directly to the board and no solder flux. I'm sure it was built with 32K and that appears to agree with the US model number. Yes, I'm sure it is, I was just pointing out that in the general case, amount of memory is not a good way to tell. AFAIK, Acorn sold only Model Bs in the States. > It's not running at the moment but when it was it said soemthing like: > > "Acron version 2.1 > DFS OS > BASIC OS" > > There's also a EPROM that says "DFS OS" in it so I think it's supposed to say that. I've not seen a US model start up, but I expect Acorn removed the "BBC Microcomputer" part for trademark reasons (in many countries outside the UK, BBC is a trademark of Brown Boveri & Cie, and anyway it wouldn't mean the same in the States). Presumably they changed the other strings too. How many (EP)ROMs are in it? Do they have any numbers on them? > OK thanks for the pointers. I searched the net but found so many sites that I haven't had time to go throught them all. If you're looking for repair information, the ones I listed are good places to start. You might also consider joining the BBC mailing list. If you want to, send a message with "subscribe bbc-micro" in the body, to majordomo at cloud9.co.uk. > Nope, that's not what I got. It didn't say anything about BBC or Microcomputer or the amount of memory and it definitely said "OS" twice. I did get the beep then the speaker had a slight buzzing in it. (Possible due the the failing capacitor in the PSU). I was in the process of checking the PSU outputs for noise when the cap blew. It was quite noticeable! Maybe they changed the banners more than I thought. > Actually I didn't get a cursor. I wasn't sure if it was supposed to have one or not. Yes, you should. > Thanks for the description. That's about what I expected. Sounds like I need to find a VIA. I need one for my spares anyway. There are two mylar(?) ribbon cables that connect the keyboard to the main circuit board. Is the wide one the column inputs and the narrow one the row outputs? (Keeping my fingers crossed that it's that simple!) I doubt if it's that simple. UK models don't use mylar ribbons, they use a single 17-way notched IDT cable with a 0.1" pitch, and with a single-row Molex IDT header at each end. If the cable is damaged you can use ordinary 34-way cable with 34-way 2-row IDC headers; just ignore the second row. Download the service manual; it has the keyboard diagram, with pinouts. Fix the PSU first, obviously. The Beeb is a bit choosy about power regulation, and if the 5V and 0V connectors (of which there are three pairs) don't all make good connections to the board, you can get strange faults because the voltage may be too low at some points on the board. The red and black wires are +5V and 0V respectively. There's a purple wire for -5V, but this is only used for the serial port and audio amp. There's a +12V output but only on the AMP connector at the front, as it's only needed for peripherals. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 3 months

Apple II+

by 3sdiarftt02＠sneakemail.com

> I have a couple of Apple II+ computers circa 1979-1980 - were working > when shut down many years ago. Is there a market for these? or should > I put in trash? A rule of thumb I now go by: If you paid more than $50 for it and it still works, don't throw it out. Sell it or keep it, but don't throw it out. May still need some work, possibly referencing original price rather than the price you paid, but I'm liking it so far. Chris J.

23 years, 3 months

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