I have a bunch of, I believe, XT parts available. For example ISA hard disk
controllers, serial port and parallel port boards and cables available for
trade. Drop me an email it you are looking for something specific.
Thanks Norm
This story just came out:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030116/ap_on_hi_te/unera
sed_hard_drives_10
"So, you think you cleaned all your personal files from that old computer
you got rid of?
Two MIT graduate students suggest you think again.
Over two years, Simson Garfinkel and Abhi Shelat bought 158 used hard drives
at secondhand computer stores and on eBay. Of the 129 drives that
functioned, 69 still had recoverable files on them and 49 contained
"significant personal information" - medical correspondence, love letters,
pornography and 5,000 credit card numbers. One even had a year's worth of
transactions with account numbers from a cash machine in Illinois. "
I expect that more people/companies will resort to smashing the hard drives
of computers they get rid of :(
> > ARM Evaluation Kit
I just checked - mine's S/N 0184 according to the label where the cable comes
out. If that started at 0 I guess they made a few...
I found the IEEE 488 interface too, which I also seem to have a polystyrene box
for but no cardboard, manuals or disks. Curious. (no S/N or label of any kind
on that, and I didn't feel like opening the case. I expect they made thousands
of those anyway)
No sign of the Z80 box I may of had, but it might be up in the loft.
cheers
Jules
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That looks a lot like the old Prestel Viewdata terminal I used to have.
1200/75 baud modem, I believe it was badged by Royal Bank Of Scotland
for their Prestel banking service.
Caption could be "The houswife of 1999 will use a computer rather than
the telephone to gossip with her chums"?
Tim.
Hi folks,
I wonder, does anyone know what VAXstation CPUs does VXT software run on? VXT
software runs (of course) on the VXT2000 X terminal box, but can also run on
many regular VAXstations. It officially supports KA42 (VS3100 M30/38/40/48) in
order to provide a software upgrade from VT1300 to VXT2000 (VT1300 is a KA42
without local mass storage and with a different badge on the box), but I have
also heard (turned up in Google search) that it'll run on a KA410 (VS2000) as
well. This last point makes me think "hmm, it must be fairly generic, I wonder
what other VAXstations can it run on?" Specifically I wonder whether it would
run on a KA43 (VS3100 M76). I'm willing to bet that it'll handle the SPX video
board just fine, as the video in the real VXT2000 is an SPX clone, but I'm
concerned about how it would handle the Rigel CPU. VS3100 M76 was certainly in
existence when VXT2000 was designed and the VXT software was written, but did
they include support for it in the released code or not?
MS
Hullo fellow classiccmp enthusiasts; I'm in the process of clearing up
some 'never started' project space, and have put my TRS80 Model IV find
>from a few years ago up on ebay. I had intended to make the system a
serial terminal, but it doesn't have a serial port and I never got around
to buying one. I then thought of gutting it and making it into a modern
PC. I was talked out of wrecking working vintage hardware just for the
case.
The neato thing about this TRS80 is (what I was told to be through usenet)
the Corvus Omninet Network interface, aka Network 4 board; this is a
diskless client for the network. Unfortunately I have no documentation,
software, or proof, that it actually is Corvus Omninet, so take my
commentary with a grain of salt. My limited probing on the inside of the
system did not show any boards with the company name on them, for example,
but I did not break open the shielded board area for a closer look (see
pics).
If this in fact was a real Omninet client system, you would also need a
server or controller and the software to run it; again, from word of
mouth, I was told it was likely a x86 or the like with a hard drive in it
and the Omninet interface on it.
On the auction page you will find a load of nicely sized pictures for it,
and perhaps another TRS80 enthusiast will be able to determine if I was
told correctly or not about the network.
Here's the auction link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2301561688&category=1247
Here's the thread archived on google groups here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=740c326f7620…
Interesting tidbits from the above thread, thanks to "Frank Durda IV":
"Corvus Omninet and Network 4 are the same beast. Tandy bought Omninet
chipsets and made their own boards for the Model 4 and 1000HX/EX
computers. The educational operating system that Tandy sold for use with
Network 4 was written by a guy in his garage (living in the northwest as I
recall)."
"Omninet/Network 4 are trunk networks, more like Thinnet Ethernet in
topology. (Some people came up with repeater/boosters that allowed
non-daisy-chain wiring for Omninet/Network 4, but that is an extension of
the basic design.)"
"The underlying signaling in Omninet/Network 4 is differential, which
means unshielded twisted pair works great (even using RJ11 plugs for
interconnects work fine), but Tandy decided they would make more money by
selling shielded wire and making you use those irritating wing-nut
connectors. Tandys choice also meant that if you had one computer in the
lab plugged into an outlet with a hot neutral, Tandys wiring scheme would
promptly blow-out all of the machines on the network the moment you
plugged that one computer in since they tried to share a shield ground via
the shielded cable. This happened fairly often, and 30+ computers would
simultaneously make Bing-Pop-Zing sounds as the tops blew off integrated
circuits inside the case, followed by burning smells. Later, Tandy
included an outlet tester with the installation kit and recommended its
use..."
AAAAAACCCKKKKKKKK! The horror!
No burning smell from this one, however. This system was bought from a
store in Sunnvyale, CA called 'Weirdstuff' that takes old computers and
resells or strips them for their valuables. Wierdstuff is a cool store,
check them out if nothing else to visit a blast to the computer and
electronics past. They had a stack of these TRS-80 Models IVs at the
time. They had been there for some time in the warehouse. Some of the
systems had Tracking ID tags talking about 'Fremont School District',
which is an area in Silicon Valley. My guess is they were traded or given
away to make space for a more modern setup and weirdstuff ended up with
them.
Hope you liked all the background on it. I love collecting these old
'puters and hope to pass it on to someone equally enthusiastic.
L
At 03:09 16-1-2003 -0500, Chad Fernandez wrote:
>Jeffrey Sharp wrote:
>> In my quest to cover every aspect, to think about every permutation of what
>> ClassicCmp *could* be in the future, I have yet another question to ask
>> ClassicCmp subscribers: What if ClassicCmp were a weblog, in the style of
>> Slashdot or Kuro5hin?
>
>It sounds like you are talking about a web board type thing. Please NO.
> There are a few that I read from time to time, but they are a pain to
>navigate, and email is so much easier! Web boards are what non-computer
>people tend to use, in my opinion. I wish the various truck boards I
>read were mailing lists!!!!
I totally agree with Chad. If classiccmp were changed into a web board format,
I would leave. Thanks to the mail list format, all messages are delivered to
my computer when they are sent, and I can look through them at my leasure.
I do not have to go and check if something new and interesting has appeared,
because all messages will be on my computer already. Mail is push and web board
is pull, and pull is unneeded work when push is available in my opinion.
Reading email is much easier to do than reading a web board, for the boards
I have seen you have to do an unbelievable amount of mouse clicking or other
interaction with your computer to see the messages, a lot more than you would
have to with your email program. For people already bordering on RSI problems
this is not a good thing. Also you have to wait on the server for each message
to appear, more waiting time than you would have from your mailer. And you have
to be online all the time to read the board, and with mail you go online, get
all the messages, and disconnect again. Over here in Europe local calls are
not free! Reading classiccmp online would soon be too expensive.
Please keep the mailing list format. It is fast, simple, and easy to use.
There are enough tools available to deal with the unavoidable spam.
Kees.
--
Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands
http://www.vaxarchive.org/http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/
I just happened to run across your archived messages from last November when
searching the 'net for something else. I'm not quite sure from what I saw
exactly where the messages were posted. That sure brings back memories!
I still have the old files from Glacier Peak Rainbow sitting on a hard drive
(it's not like the old days when I was worrying about exceeding the space on
a 10 or 20 MB hard drive). There are about 640 files in 22 MB. I could burn
CDs for anyone interested.
Gary Stebbins
former Glacier Peak Rainbow sysop
Likewist, no caption, but I bet the houseplant is long gone. (So is the
telly, and the wallpaper!)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Ido [mailto:drido@optushome.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:17 PM
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Caption Competition (bit OT)
>
>
> >http://helmies.org.uk/images/cap_comp.jpg
> >
> >
> >Then come up with an amusing/apposite caption :)
> >
> >Bonus points for anyone who can identify the make/model of
> machine she's
> >actually using. HINT: this photo was published circa. 1983,
> and is almost
> >certainly British.
>
> No witty caption, but it looks like a Tandata TD1600 viatel/prestel
> terminal. Used to have a stack of them here, couldn't think
> of any use for
> them so they were stripped for parts over time.
>
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>From: "Brian Chase" <vaxzilla(a)jarai.org>
>
>On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Philip Pemberton wrote:
>> Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
>
>> > The drive we were having problems
>> > with were 2 and 4 gig drives. These had a servo information
>> > corruption problem ( that by design would always fail over time ).
>>
>> Guess that rules out Kalok then. They bit the big one in 1994, way before
>> 2GB and 4GB drives started appearing...
>
>I'm going to guess Micropolis. Those drives were absolutely crap.
>
>-brian.
>
>
Wow! The man is psychic!
Dwight
>http://helmies.org.uk/images/cap_comp.jpg
>
>
>Then come up with an amusing/apposite caption :)
>
>Bonus points for anyone who can identify the make/model of machine she's
>actually using. HINT: this photo was published circa. 1983, and is almost
>certainly British.
No witty caption, but it looks like a Tandata TD1600 viatel/prestel
terminal. Used to have a stack of them here, couldn't think of any use for
them so they were stripped for parts over time.
On Jan 16, 19:08, Hans Franke wrote:
> Hmm. To me the screen layout looks quite like a Teletext page.
> I have no idea how this service was called in the UK (The name
> Viewtext pops up, but I'm not shure). These are data pages,
> transmitted via 'invisible' lines, 'between' or 'below' the
> picture (As a bunch of other information also is).
That's Videotext (generic term) or Teletext (name used by the BBC and ITV).
> Now, back to the picture, what realy puzzles me is the keyboard.
> The service is strict one way, you could only select a page, and
> a regular remote is all you need.
> Of course it could be the British equivalent of our (CEPT based
> BTx system, a early online service to be used on a 1200/75
> connection with pages, made in a way to be displayed on you
> telly. But then the picture layout would be quite different.
> That service hat a quite more apropriate set of graphic
> elements.
Latterly, BTX did use different graphics, using a sort of "shift out" mode
for "high" resolution but the original Bildschirmtext was the same as the
UK's PRESTEL and French MiniTel services (generic term Viewdata), which use
the Teletext character set and graphics. Those were truly interactive
dialup services. Prestel (which predates BTX) offered information pages,
news, electronic mail, downloadable software, etc.
It became quite popular in the UK in the early 1980's and the price of
adapters fell rapidly, especially with the advent of the BBC Micro and
similar machines which could use cheap modems, and the promotion of the
MicroNet 800 service (microcomputer news, bulletin board, and telesoftware,
starting at page 800) and services like Viewfax258 (guess which start page)
and the popular MicroGnome (anyone remember Bob Clark?). Page numbers
could be up to 9 digits, and each could have 25 sub-pages so there was room
for a lot of information (I probably still have statistics somewhere, as I
had an Information Provider account then). There were even several
bulletin boards which used Viewdata protocols, and commercial services too.
The main travel agents' service was a private Viewdata system, several
stockbrokers and financial institutions used one, and the Open University
had one.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Jan 16, 13:21, Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
> >From: pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com
> >
> >On Jan 15, at various times, Jeffrey Sharp wrote:
> >
> >> In my quest to cover every aspect, to think about every permutation of
> >what
> >> ClassicCmp *could* be in the future, I have yet another question to
ask
> >> ClassicCmp subscribers: What if ClassicCmp were a weblog, in the style
of
> >> Slashdot or Kuro5hin?
> >
> >I have to add my vote to the many others who've said "NO!!!"
> >
> >> - Posting and reading of messages would be doable from a web
browser.
> >An
> >> email interface could be developed, but it wouldn't be the primary
> >> method of participation.
> >
> >I would hate that.
> >
> >> - You would have an account with a username and password.
> >
> >Right, I need another username/password (likely with different rules to
all
> >the rest) like I need another hole in my head :-)
> >
>
> ---snip---
>
> I see no particular advantage to using a browser for the
> use of this group. If one looks at the attempts with something
> as global as news groups, we would be quickly trashed with
> hundreds of "Please fix my PCee" stuff from those that have
> little interest in classic machines.
For those who weren't there, that was exactly what happened to
alt.computer.hardware.homebuilt. Skipping over the long tale of woe, the
upshot was that a new, moderated, group was created (comp.arch.hobbyist).
Sadly, that sees little traffic as the interested parties seem to have
moved to greener and more diverse pastures altogether (some of them, to
this list).
I hope we don't try to be an elitist mailing list, but lets not invite
trouble.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Jan 16, 21:14, John Honniball wrote:
> Adrian Vickers wrote:
> > See:
> >
> > http://helmies.org.uk/images/cap_comp.jpg
[...]
> > Bonus points for anyone who can identify the make/model of machine
she's
> > actually using. HINT: this photo was published circa. 1983, and is
> > almost certainly British.
>
> I think it's a Prestel adaptor made by Tandata. I had one, somewhere,
> in the original polystyrene packaging.
Yes, I was about to say Tandata or Tantel when I read this.
There are still services that use Prestel/Viewdata protocols -- I spent
ages writing a Viewdata terminal emulator for X-windows a few years ago, so
I could use online banking from my Unix box. Still in use today :-)
--
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Network Manager
University of York
> I expect that more people/companies will resort to smashing the
> hard drives of computers they get rid of :(
the local computer recycling place here won't actually take in any machines
with hard drives intact (from companies or individuals) unless said persons can
prove that the drive(s) have been 'professionally wiped' - whatever that means.
The recyclers are worried about being sued by the very companies / individuals
that they got the machines from in the event that any data falls into somebody
elses' hands.
PC clones form 99% of the stuff coming in, but it's a shame that when the odd
bit of exotica does come in it is without any disks and essentially useless
without a copy of the OS and a suitable drive (and the knowledge to install
said OS). I understand the RAM usually gets pulled if it's anything remotely
useful and the rest goes straight to the metal recyclers (I talked to them
seperately and they crush everything immediately)
cheers
Jules
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>If anyone wants to send me info, I'll volunteer to collect and put it
>up on my website (I won't put email addresses or other incriminating
>evidence unless you want me to :-)).
OK, reports from the UK:
I have one:
http://www.corestore.org/pdp-12.htm
She had two sisters, at the Burden Neurological Institute. I collected
another one along with it, which I immediately passed on to... a person
involved with a certain UK 'used DEC' trader, for his personal collection.
No names, no pack drill...
The third machine there was retained for a number of years, it was still
required to be fired up occasionally to read old LINCtapes. It was promised
to me, I called religously every few months... 'no we're still using it'...
until the fateful day last year I called 'oh we got rid of that a few months
ago, we gave it away to someone else who was interested since you hadn't
called in a while...'. Bugger.
Asked if they would put me in touch with this chap, as he had got a large
quantity of spares with it, including a complete CPU/memory 'gate' - enough
to build a fourth machine if he had had a rack etc. - thought it would make
sense to pool resources. Said they would ask him for permission to put me in
touch, he adamantly refused... secretive collectors, bah humbug.
So that's three in the UK. Four, with the addition of the Science Museum /
CCS example. Most are probably working or near-working, mine has some things
to fix, been in storage for years.
Now, I would be interested in a list of pdp-15's...
Mike
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>From: pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com
>
>On Jan 15, at various times, Jeffrey Sharp wrote:
>
>> In my quest to cover every aspect, to think about every permutation of
>what
>> ClassicCmp *could* be in the future, I have yet another question to ask
>> ClassicCmp subscribers: What if ClassicCmp were a weblog, in the style of
>> Slashdot or Kuro5hin?
>
>I have to add my vote to the many others who've said "NO!!!"
>
>> - Posting and reading of messages would be doable from a web browser.
>An
>> email interface could be developed, but it wouldn't be the primary
>> method of participation.
>
>I would hate that.
>
>> - You would have an account with a username and password.
>
>Right, I need another username/password (likely with different rules to all
>the rest) like I need another hole in my head :-)
>
---snip---
I see no particular advantage to using a browser for the
use of this group. If one looks at the attempts with something
as global as news groups, we would be quickly trashed with
hundreds of "Please fix my PCee" stuff from those that have
little interest in classic machines.
If we made it a closed group, like it is now, we'd still have
the problem that even with current technology, many of us are
bandwidth limited on how we use the web ( minor problem for me ).
I can't think of any real advantage of going to some web
based system and it would surely remove many from our group.
DON'T TRY TO FIX WHAT ISN'T BROKEN!!!!
Dwight
On Jan 15, at various times, Jeffrey Sharp wrote:
> In my quest to cover every aspect, to think about every permutation of
what
> ClassicCmp *could* be in the future, I have yet another question to ask
> ClassicCmp subscribers: What if ClassicCmp were a weblog, in the style of
> Slashdot or Kuro5hin?
I have to add my vote to the many others who've said "NO!!!"
> - Posting and reading of messages would be doable from a web browser.
An
> email interface could be developed, but it wouldn't be the primary
> method of participation.
I would hate that.
> - You would have an account with a username and password.
Right, I need another username/password (likely with different rules to all
the rest) like I need another hole in my head :-)
> - Members can participate from any computer with a web browser. Even
lynx.
> Surely anything that can run a mail client can run lynx...
Browsers are much more cumbersome and slow than any sensible email client.
And run on fewer systems. I sometimes use older systems for which there
is no web browser, not even a text-based one, but there is a mail client.
And using a browser require you to be online to read, which is not so good
for those of us who use dialup. It also makes it harder to save individual
messages. I often do that with mail; it's much harder to keep copies of
web pages sensibly.
> - Anonymity and privacy can be more well-respected. The 'sender' of a
> post is your username, not your email address. A system can be
> implemented where another member can discover your email address only
> after you give them permission to do so.
You could also do that with mail. I'd prefer that wasn't implemented,
though see below. Sometimes it's more appropriate to respond directly to
someone, off-list.
> - There's no worry about HTML, attachments, wierd character sets, spam,
> virii, or cctech moderation delay.
You could do most of that with email filtering too. In fact, it would be
nice, in my opinion, if we did filter out the HTML (and the HTML portions
of multipart/alternate messages, which we seem to have had more of
recently).
> - Your inbox receives less clutter. You spend less bandwidth on mail.
Actually, most people would spend *more* bandwidth on a website, because
going back to a previously-viewed message would typically reload the page.
More importantly, there are a lot of dialup users here. With a website you
need to be online all the time you're reading, rather than slurping down a
chunk of mail (as my system does a few times a day) to read offline. Less
importantly, my system can do an early-morning mail fetch just before the
end of the cheaper-rate nighttime period, and the mail is then there for me
to read when I'm sufficiently awake (ie after two mugs of coffee) a little
later (daytime call rate).
> - It's a huge change from the status quo. We may lose some members.
Including me :-)
Returning to the idea of having both email and a website, isn't the website
essentially an extension of the existing archive (possibly more
sophisticated)? I agree it's good to have both, but let's keep the mailing
list as the primary and the archive as, well, an archive.
> The trouble with MUAs is getting some way of either (a) serving
> mail folders to remote locations or (b) serving the login session to
remote
> locations. Both of those are doable (IMAP, SSH) but can be a pain to set
up
> for some users. Then there's the problem of ensuring you have the right
> software at the remote location (IMAP-capable email client, SSH client).
In
> some cases (e.g. student lab, internet cafe on vacation), you can't count
on
> that. In nearly every case, you *can* count on some form of web browser.
I disagree. Most ISPs run either IMAP or POP3 (or both). I have yet to
see an Internet cafe, or attend a conference with 'net facilites, where I
couldn't read my email. *Replying* to the list might be a problem in a few
cases, but most ISPs (at least, most I'm familiar with here) operate some
kind of authentication system so that users away from their normal location
can still send mail (eg replies) from Internet cafes and the like.
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2003, JP Hindin wrote:
> > It surely can't be hard to have the mailing list archival software
munge
> > eMail addresses...
>
> Not at all. But messages delivered to subscribers aren't address munged.
You
> can look at the headers of this message and get my email address. I don't
> think it's a big deal, but someone else might.
Fair point. I don't mind my address being in the headers either, and in
fact I prefer them to be there so people can email me directly, but if some
do and some don't prefer that, perhaps we could set some preference
per-user so that their submissions are/not munged. Some list manager
software has that facility built-in.
Summing that lot up, if the list were changed to become primarily
web-based, I'd vote with my feet -- albeit with great regret -- but I have
no objection at all to enhancing some of the mail facilities and providing
additional methods of access and/or additional services.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Hi Tony(Duell),
Yes indeed the term 'hacker' was used in the original form as it was
created back by MIT
students in the 60s. It was an honorable title.
Murray--
I would be interested in buying XENIX, or trading for something. I would
have replied to your email, but I read these forums on the web interface,
so your email didn't appear there, and I don't have it delivered.
If anyone has copies still availible, please email me:
justin(a)raspberrytea.com
BTW, whats true about the number of manuals/disks, etc, etc.
Anyone have good resources on capabilities? does X compile on it?
support for video. I assume it doesn't work, but then I've seen stranger
things.
Thanks!,
Justin
From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com>
> On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Mike Ford wrote:
>
> > I love this logic, the price on ebay a place where all the traditional
> > requirements of willing buyer, willing seller, and open market are met,
> > isn't valid because its too high. No the acceptable price is the price you
> > once saw in a scrapyard after years of digging through the place 3 times a
> > week and have never seen since.
>
> Pasta tastes good with marinara.
?????
Glen
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