Hello,
I'm owner of Mac SE/30 (asked regarding broken CRT tube a while ago).
Can aynone supply me with a list of accessories that can be inserted
into the slot? www.apple.com didn't help me very much, and the only card
I saw is 10base2/10baseT ethernet. are there any videocards for se/30?
or some other equip?
Cheers,
--
freddy
...for more info 'finger freddy(a)kotol.kotelna.sk'
On Jan 17, 17:26, Philip Pemberton wrote:
> pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com wrote:
> > I finally remembered to check mine. It's 23-ANC13-1000034. All Acorn
> > retail product serial numbers of the era are of that form. The 25
> > tells where it was made, ANC13 is the product code, the rest is a
> > serial number, which always starts at 1000000 for production systems
> > or factory prototypes. So my Archimedes 310 is 27-AKB10-1000002, my
> > 440 is 27-AKB20-1000614, and my A3000 is 27-AKB01-1000028.
> Now that's interesting. My Master 128 carries the serial number
> 01-AMB15-0053025. Which means I've either got the -946975th machine to be
> made by Acorn, their labelling kit malfunctioned, or my M128 is the
53025th
> Master 128 to leave Acorn's factory. Ah, well. At least it hasn't got the
> serial number 13...
I wrote "of the era". Your Master predates ARM systems by a few years. My
oldest Beeb is 0000672. And will the ***** who borrowed it please return
it, if you're reading this?
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
On Jan 17, 8:01, Philip Pemberton wrote:
> BTW, does anyone know what the small raised bar on
> the EPROM sockets is for?
The early cartridges were made with a form of low exteaction force sockets
-- a kind of poor man's ZIF, designed to make it easier to extract the
ROMs. You've probably got those. You put a small screwdriver blade in,
against the bar, and twist (only when there's a chip in the socket!!)
> BTW, has anyone got a spare BBC Master Series User's Manual? The one that
> covers the Master 128?
It's called the Master Series Welcome Guide. No, I'm not parting with mine
just yet :-)
> I'd also like to find out what ROMs the
> ROM cartridges will accept - I've used 27128s and 27256s, anyone know if
> anything else will work?
AFAIR, 2732s should work, 2764s certainly work, and then up to 27128 is
officially supported. You can use 27256s and *possibly* 27512s if you
program them appropriately.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> wrote:
> Sorry, no. The m76 has a Rigel.
Yes.
> Looks so. It seams to support only NMOS-VAX (VS2k), CVAX (VS3100
> m30/38/40/48) and maybe SOC. I think SOC is the CPU in the VXT2k.
Yes, VXT2000 has SOC. Last night I finally downloaded the whole VXT software
and ran strings(1) on the VXTEX image, and I see mention of three machines:
VS2000, VT1300, and VXT2000. VT1300 is the CVAX-based KA42-A, the same system
board as in VS3100 M30.
Fred N. van Kempen <Fred.van.Kempen(a)microwalt.nl> wrote:
> It might run on the 3100-M38, although I believe
> that's a "non" 3100, too.
VS3100 M38 differs from VS3100 M30 (which is the same hardware as VT1300 except
for the latter lacking the mass storage controller board) only in speed (M30
has 90 ns cycle time giving you 2.8 VUPs and M38 has 60 ns cycle time giving
you 3.8 VUPs). VS3100 M30 is KA42-A and VS3100 M38 is KA42-B. The difference
between the two boards are a different crystal oscillator, KA42-B has chips
rated for higher speed, and a byte or two in the ROM is twiddled.
> I would assume that they kept the CPU
> support library as small as possible, meaning only the generic series
> of machines they "sortof" intended the VXT software set for, i.e. the
> 2000, 3100 and alike systems and their hardware features (as needed.)
This is all true, but I'm still wondering about VS3100 M76. Although it has a
different CPU chip (Rigel), other than knowing about its SID code, supporting a
different CPU chip entails nothing more than slightly different cache control
and machine check handling. In every other way VS3100 M76 (KA43) was designed
to be a direct successor to earlier models (KA42). In particular all hardware
other than the CPU chip, i.e., what the bulk of system code is concerned with,
is absolutely unchanged.
But the million dollar question remains: what will the existing VXT boot image
do upon detecting SID top byte equal to 0B? Will it scream and give up, or will
it treat it as a VS3100/VT1300?
> Yup, it's basically some "NanoVMS" kernel, with minimal runtime and a
> VMS DECwindows subset.
Are you sure it's based on VMS and not Ultrix? Doing strings(1) on the VXTEX
image showed a few bits that bring Ultrix to mind.
Of course any Ultrixisms would not be in M76's favor, as DEC had the stupidity
to make Ultrix not run on M76, almost artificially I have to say. Having a copy
of the Ultrix V4.20 sources has given me the pleasure (and disgust) of seeing
just why. Its CPU type determination logic simply assumes that everything with
a Rigel CPU must be a VAX 6400! So when you try to boot it on a VS3100 M76, it
goes looking for XMI... If that logic were tweaked to treat KA43 as KA42, it
would have probably worked. (And if someone added a couple dozen lines to the
KA42 code to handle Rigel/KA43 machine checks and cache ops, it would have
worked solid.)
> Which means (methinks..) that it most likely
> wasnt stripped from its GPX and SPX(+) drivers.
Not most likely, but absolutely certain. VXT2000 video *is* SPX, so it has to
have the SPX driver. VT1300 was color, so it had to have some add-on video
board, and I think it was GPX, not SPX. Oh, and it works on VS2000, which would
certainly have GPX and not SPX. So both GPX and SPX drivers are most certainly
there. The only concern is that if the real DEC VT1300 indeed had GPX and not
SPX, would it accept a VS3100 with SPX. It should unless some asshole
artificially blocked the SPX driver in the VT1300 configuration. (But the
latter possibility seems unlikely given how they even supported VS2000.)
> Dang! Now you got me curious. I have all three (2000,M38 and M76) so
> will set them up tonight or tomorrow and see what they do.
I would greatly appreciate a test on VS3100 M76. I want to put together my own
VXT X terminal and I'm inclined to do it on a VS3100 rather than VXT2000
hardware. If I could use an M76 instead of M30 or M38, it would be great.
MS
>>I just checked - mine's S/N 0184 according to the label where the cable comes
>>out. If that started at 0 I guess they made a few...
>
>Hmm. That sounds like the PSU serial number. Mine is 0119. I have another
>white
>sticker on the underside o the box itself, full number
>25-anc13-1000038. (Which matches the format of the computer serial numbers.)
sorry - my mistake. I saw the s/n label and figured that was the main number
for the whole unit.
just checked mine again and it's 25-ANC13-1000049
have lost the original post from the person who had the last unit to see where
that fits into the scheme of things. :-(
cheers
Jules
__________________________________________________
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Everything you'll ever need on one web page
>from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts
http://uk.my.yahoo.com
In my quest to cover every aspect, to think about every permutation of what
ClassicCmp *could* be in the future, I have yet another question to ask
ClassicCmp subscribers: What if ClassicCmp were a weblog, in the style of
Slashdot or Kuro5hin?
I know many of you hold /. in disdain for whatever reason. I am not talking
about emulating the /. culture; I'm speaking only of its infrastructure,
purely in terms of being a web app for thread-based discussion.
The basics, as they apply to ClassicCmp, are:
- Posting and reading of messages would be doable from a web browser. An
email interface could be developed, but it wouldn't be the primary
method of participation.
- You would have an account with a username and password.
- Your account would be used for other features on the site, such as
access to a data archives, using to a buy-and-sell arena, or
moderating others' posts.
Right away, I see several benefits:
- Members can participate from any computer with a web browser. Even lynx.
- Anonymity and privacy can be more well-respected. The 'sender' of a
post is your username, not your email address. A system can be
implemented where another member can discover your email address only
after you give them permission to do so.
- Moderation could be less the subjective task that it is now, and more of
a distributed, many-eyes process. Imagine if you could vote on a post's
on-topicness on a scale of 1 to 5 (1=off-topic, 5=on-topic). Imagine if
you could set a minimum viewing level to screen out posts that were too
far into the OT side of the spectrum.
- There's no worry about HTML, attachments, wierd character sets, spam,
virii, or cctech moderation delay.
- Your inbox receives less clutter. You spend less bandwidth on mail.
- With thread titles on the front page, casual web visitors will be more
tempted to subscribe.
- It scales well as more members join and start posting.
- The forum *is* the archive.
- Features you want can be added in code, quickly. The current setup is
great for turn-key mailing lists and such, but it is tough to extend.
The bad points I see are:
- It's a huge change from the status quo. We may lose some members.
- Some people may find mailing lists more comfortable. Of course, an email
interface to the weblog could be developed.
My opinion: It's a good idea that I can implement in just a few months.
What is your opinion? Let's answer this one in-list, please.
--
Jeffrey Sharp
See below.
Reply-to: gwilson188(a)earthlink.net
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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:54:06 -0800
From: glwilson <gwilson188(a)earthlink.net>
To: donate(a)vintage.org
Subject: FW: Potential Donation
I had to change my account due to a trashing. Please resond to
glwilson00(a)earthlink.net.
Thanks!
Gloria
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gloria Wilson [mailto:gloriawlsn@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:12 PM
> To: donate(a)vintage.org
> Subject: Potential Donation
>
> I have a Mac Color Classic, with all the originial manuals and software,
> one owner, in mint condition. It has the original 80MB HD, and 12MB ram,
> of which 10MB is recognized by the OS. It has an external 45MB GCC
> 40Ultra Drive, SCSI I interface, also in working order. I also have a
> Bernoulli Transportable 150MB RCD (removable cartridge disk) unit, with
> several functional RCD's. That was the precursor to IOMEGA Zip drives, but
> reliable enough for Military use. It interfaces with either Mac or Dos
> SCSI I. If there is any interest, please let me know how to proceed.
> Gloria Wilson
From: Jeffrey Sharp <jss(a)subatomix.com>
Date: 01/15/2003 11:56 PM
> Surely anything that can run a mail client can run lynx...
False. The two systems I use for email do not support VT-100 emulation (AFAIK)
hence no Lynx on my email machines (the Kaypro 10 which I'm using to compose
and send this message, and a Zenith Z-100).
Glen
0/0
>D'Oh! I thought the Mac TV was a stripped-down Mac with AV in and AV out, in
>fact I recall seeing something on a website somewhere about a prototype Mac
>similar to what I have described. It was all-black with a plastic front
>panel and a metal top cover, not too unlike a Grundig GDS100 "SkyDigibox"
>digital satellite receiver. IIRC the machine was a Mac with custom boot
>ROMs, so it wouldn't run Mac OS. IIRC the hardware was near totally custom,
>too so swapping out bootROMs was not really an option. Oh, and the ROMs were
>on SIMMs. Again, IIRC...
Sounds like you are describing the Apple Set Top Box. A wonderfully
useless peice of hardware.
This box does in/out as it is a sort of cable TV tuner/interactive TV
device. But, as far as I know, there are no functional units in
existance. I think this is due mostly to the fact that they needed to be
connected to a special "server" of sorts to do anything. Mine powers up,
and does nothing from there (I can get a quick pop of audio on occasion,
but nothing more). I have heard rumor that some have gotten a blue screen
to be displayed, but really every one that I know about does the same as
mine... powers on and sits doing nothing.
The intent of them was to make an interactive TV unit for schools and
other groups. They never made it past the testing stage, and it would
seem that although a good number of the boxes made it into the public,
the server unit to make them do anything did not.
And these boxes I would think are also PAL compatible, at least mine has
SCART connectors on the back. They are covered by Do Not Remove stickers,
but the connectors appear to be there anyway.
I think Tom Owad had some info on them onhis AppleFritter site. If anyone
knows how to get one to do something, I'd be interested to hear... and if
anyone wants one, for a while there was someone selling them on eBay,
opening bid of $9.99, and I think most were closing with no bids. (I got
mine at a garage sale for $5... some poor kid went off to college, and
his mother was selling off everything he had, tons of old toys, baseball
cards, and odd computer parts. I'm sure he was NOT happy when he came
home for break!)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
---------------------Original message-------------------
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:25:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
To: Classic Computers Mailing List <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Sellam,
Sometimes you just need to shut the fuck up.
I generally just delete and move on, but it gets to me. This mailing
list is not your personal relief valve. The fact that you have a
keyboard really *doesn't* entitle you to insult at will.
Grow up, man!
Doc
---------------------------------------------------------------
Whoa! What'd he say? Ya shoulda copied the offensive remarks.
mike
--------------------Original message------------------
From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
Subject: Re: About Electronics Questions
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:36:13 +0000 (GMT)
Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
<snip (of some wonderful sarcasm!>
e.g.:
Cleaning-plastic(a)classiccmp.org
Love it!
More seriously, one of the great things about classiccmp is that it _is_
one list, and all sorts of loosely-related discussions go on here. I've
learnt a lot from threads about machines that I am not particularly
interested in...
-tony
-------------------------------------
Couldn't agree more!
I'm on the digest list, and download several times a day to read my
email off-line. If I have time, I read the entire digest and have indeed
learned a lot from posts I wouldn't normally be interested in and often
skip over when I don't have time.
Let's not get too fussy about what's OT and what's not. Actually,
except for the recent digression about muscle cars, it's been pretty
civilized lately; thanks guys (and gals, although the ladies have
never been a problem :)
And while I'm at it, I'd like to sincerely thank Tony for all the useful
tips and information he's given us; as he mentioned, he often takes
considerable time to look things up, and we should all show our
appreciation. Also to Don Maslin for his generous help with
obscure disks, Grumpy Old Fred for a lot of his tips, and everyone
else who's taken a little extra time and made an extra effort to
help us all out in some way. Thanks, guys (and gals)!
But if there's a way to strip the HTML from the double-format messages,
that'd be a good thing.
mike
On Jan 15, 22:40, Rob O'Donnell wrote:
> At 17:05 16/01/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > ARM Evaluation Kit
> >
> >I just checked - mine's S/N 0184 according to the label where the cable
comes
> >out. If that started at 0 I guess they made a few...
>
> Hmm. That sounds like the PSU serial number. Mine is 0119. I have
another
> white
> sticker on the underside o the box itself, full number
> 25-anc13-1000038. (Which
> matches the format of the computer serial numbers.)
I finally remembered to check mine. It's 23-ANC13-1000034. All Acorn
retail product serial numbers of the era are of that form. The 25 tells
where it was made, ANC13 is the product code, the rest is a serial number,
which always starts at 1000000 for production systems or factory
prototypes. So my Archimedes 310 is 27-AKB10-1000002, my 440 is
27-AKB20-1000614, and my A3000 is 27-AKB01-1000028.
A in ANC says it's Acorn hardware (S for Acornsoft), N for the BBC Micro
series of machines (M for Master, D for Compact, K for Archimedes, E for
Econet, etc), C says it's a processor peripheral (A for model A, B for
Model B, F for peripheral, etc), 13 is a model code.
The third letter and the first digit change for variations, so a Model B is
ANB02, with disk interface factory fitted ANB05 (IIRC), Master 128 is
AMB15, and so on. A Domesday system or "BBC AIV System" (a Master 128 plus
interfaces, trackerball, LV player and disks) is AVC11.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
I've just run over probably 100-200lbs (45-90kg) of Motorola VME cards...
>from 68010 processor cards, to memory, and I/O cards. Now, there's not
chance I would want to hold on to these, so I'm wondering if anyone else
is interested in some of the cards. I can't guarantee anything now, just
tell me if you're interested or not. I'll try to get some cards to
whoever is interested.
I haven't looked at the cards much yet, so I don't exactly know what's
there for I/O and memory cards. There might also be a power supply or two
and maybe an intact backplane bus card (the few I saw were snapped in
half).
Pat
--
Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS
Information Technology at Purdue
Research Computing and Storage
http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu
I certainly hope that classiccmp does NOT go the direction
of a browser based forum... I don't know about others, but
I don't like having to use browsers to read newsgroups. I
prefer reading and responding to individual messages through
mail. Also, I'm not always at a machine at which I can run
a browser... Finally, even at some of them which do, the
software can't handle the overhead of browser pages and the
system freezes...
Please keep it as it is... (just my $.02)
Megan
I believe Sellam was cursing at a Maxtor drive a couple months back, and
now I know why.
The 60GB ATA/133 DiamondStar in my Power Mac 7300 (connected through a Sonnet
Tempo Trio) this evening made several hiccup-like noises and the computer
froze up. On the next power cycle, it didn't spin up and just sat there and
clicked. I suspected stiction (well, I prayed it was stiction) and tried
reorienting it and a few gentle taps. On the next power cycle, it didn't even
click anymore and made occasional soft grinding noises, and now it doesn't
even do that.
So, I'm typing this on my Power Book 1400, which I guess will be my desktop
system for the time being.
Any suggestions for ways to get it to spin up, one last time? Anyone know
what happened? I thought it had been a power problem because it made some
sounds like this a few weeks ago and replacing the power cable did seem to
cure it, but I'm mystified as to why it would die so fast. The drive was not
especially hot and it has plenty of ventilation.
I guarantee you my next drive will not be a Maxtor.
Sorry for the OT -- just looking for any desperation suggestions before I
make a new hard drive platter wall clock.
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-- Son, God's going to use you. Until He does, take this pill. -- Mark Lowry --
On Jan 16, 18:31, Tim Myers wrote:
> That looks a lot like the old Prestel Viewdata terminal I used to have.
> 1200/75 baud modem, I believe it was badged by Royal Bank Of Scotland
> for their Prestel banking service.
It's the father of that terminal. The BoS terminal is a badged successor
and is quite a lot smaller, about the size of a Sonclair Spectrum, and blue
in colour. BTW, I expect you mean Bank of Scotland, not Royal Bank.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
> > ARM Evaluation Kit - yep - that's the one. I do have various discs and
> I can copy the six disks for you, but as I mentioned in previous post, my
> Disc 1 has a corrupt track.
is there some sort of ftp site or something for BBC stuff that disk images
could go on? It'd be nice if they were archived somewhere so they (hopefully)
won't get lost!
how big is a track? trying every possible permutation of bytes you'll get a
working disk eventually ;-)
> Most of the Acorn add-ons came in the same housing. All the Second
> Processors (6502, Z80, 32016) and the Universal Second Processor box (so
> you could use Master Series upgrades like a Turbo, Master 512 80186 CoPro,
> or the Scientific), Teletext Adaptor, Prestel Adaptor, IEEE Interface, and
> probably others.
hmm, the Z80 and IEEE units both ring bells - could have been either one of
those (or both).
I'm feeling a little motivated to wade through all my junk and see what I have
got now, plus have a look at the serial number of the ARM box...
> :-) In my earlier reply, I was thinking of rather older Ferranti
> computers. At least a decade older, maybe two...
ha ha - thought you probably were. I don't know much about the history of
Ferranti unfortunately.
cheers
Jules
__________________________________________________
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Everything you'll ever need on one web page
>from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts
http://uk.my.yahoo.com
Does that fact that I'm in Australia rule me out?
I could probably do with a couple of interesting 8-bit ISA cards for an Amstrad PC-20 I want to mod. Do you, in fact, does anyone have one of those old hard-drive-on-a-card things that still works?
And possibly a sound card might be interesting for the second slot. Again, something big would be cool, as the cards stick out of the case on the PC-20. LAPC-1?
Or maybe a big RAM expansion card. I used to have an old 1MB Expanded Memory RAM card for my first XT. Was there ever a processor upgrade card for 8-bit ISA?
TIA, Chris J.
> Norm wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of, I believe, XT parts available. For example ISA
> hard disk
> controllers, serial port and parallel port boards and cables
> available for
> trade. Drop me an email it you are looking for something specific.
See:
http://helmies.org.uk/images/cap_comp.jpg
Then come up with an amusing/apposite caption :)
Bonus points for anyone who can identify the make/model of machine she's
actually using. HINT: this photo was published circa. 1983, and is almost
certainly British.
--
Cheers, Ade.
Be where it's at, B-Racing!
http://b-racing.com
>>Would that be traction or stationary ?
>> Rich Stephenson
>Don't leave out steam engines as in steam locomotives, railroad
equipment...
>Will J
Will,
If you happen to have Dish Network satellite service, I highly recommend
two shows on RFDTV
Classic Tractors and Trains and Locomotives. Nothing like a good dose of
steam to make you feel better.
Rich
>For instance, everyone take Mickey Mouse and do something with it: make a
>new cartoon, introduce new characters based on him, write new stories,
>draw him in porn, etc. If thousands of people did this and disseminated
>it over the web, Disney wouldn't be able to do anything about it but turn
>to the courts. The courts would have a mess on their hands because the
>only recourse would be to shut the internet down. It could force the
>issue. Maybe. It's an idea.
You really think the courts won't try to shut the internet down? Have you
not been following the RIAA and the MPAA's battle over P2P sharing...
that is EXACTLY what you are saying to do. Violate copyright on a massive
scale, and see what they do... the DMCA and other crazy laws are what
they do.
The real solution is for someone to grow a brain, and revise what is
determined as needing a copyright. I personally have no objection to
Disney keeping MM in their control. They still actively develop new stuff
using the character. I think it is quite fair for them to have exclusive
control over MM (and other things). But what needs to be done is revise
copyright, so things that are in use (and REALLY in use) can be
protected, and the rest of the stuff that has been abondoned will go
public domain.
This way, the junk the companies don't actively use or care about, can be
opened up for others to take advantage of, rather than being caught up in
the middle of the wars over the handful of stuff that is still used and
desired to be protected.
And that's all I will say on this about to be wildly out of control topic.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
I'm just putting this out there, because I feel like it.
I got my copy of Michael Nadeau's "Collectible Microcomputers" book in
today. I have to say, I think it is well worth the price. The pictures
alone were worth the $30. I bought mine directly from him (something I
like to do when possible anyway... in the hope that it puts an extra
dollar in the author's pocket)
I spent a solid hour going thru it today at lunch. Just a basic skim over
it (well, ok, an hour's worth of skimming), and I just found it to be a
great memory kick. So many computers that I forgot about that I had at
one point either seen, played with, or heard of. I was also kind of
interested that in my basic scanning, it struck me that an odd number of
small computer companies were from New Jersey... weird (or maybe the NJ
ones just stood out to me more).
I also enjoyed reading the details about how some of these things came
about, and of course, like any junky, just reading the specs on each
computer (and looking at the dates these things were released). It is
mostly a field guide, so if you are looking for a story book, this ain't
it... but if you are looking to see a pretty decent list of computers,
specs on them, and many many pictures of them... ya can't beat it. Think
of it as the computer geek's version of a bird watchers guide book.
Its also just a great book to open at random, and thumb thru. Makes it
good "kill a few minutes waiting" book.
So this is my basic positive review for the book. I just wanted to give
an opinion other than Sellam's. (Nothing against his opinion, but I try
to watch where reviews come from, and when someone says something is
worth buying, and they are also selling that item... I take that into
consideration when I give their review weight).
If anyone hasn't bought it, and was waiting to hear other opinions, well,
you now have mine... I like it... its getting a prized spot in the
magazine holder in my bathroom (yes, that is a good thing... I do all my
best reading on the can).
My wife on the other hand hates it... I have done nothing but whine all
night to her about different computers I now want to track down and get.
She has already threatened to hide the book on me.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Hi Jeffrey et al:
Forgot to empty my mailbox, it filled up and I missed
a few digests; with the previous system I could retrieve
the missed messages, but am apparently too dense to
figure out how with the present system. Help?
mike
Any nitwit can understand computers, and many do.
- Thodor Nelson, Computer Lib & Dream Machines.
