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Followup to Adrian's caption competition

by tim.myers＠sunplan.com

I didn't see this come across the list, so here goes. Apologies if it's already been covered. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2301705304 Tim

23 years, 2 months

Replies to posts

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

hi all... A request: can people please stop including the whole of the digest when replying to posts? The digest-in-a-digest mode is starting to get a little annoying :-) cheers Jules __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

23 years, 2 months

Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape

by jwillis＠arielusa.com

Kelly: Please e-mail me off list, as this stupid outlook web access won't let me see your email address. Thanks, John -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Leavitt Sent: Wed 1/22/2003 5:40 PM To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org' Cc: Subject: RE: Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape I've gotten the download info, I will need to compile the decompress to run on my unix, and I will give an update shortly. Where would you need the tape shipped? -----Original Message----- From: John Willis [mailto:jwillis@arielusa.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:50 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape Sounds great. Let me know what you find out! Thanks, John "VAX Pirate" Willis

23 years, 2 months

Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape

by kelly＠catcorner.org

I've gotten the download info, I will need to compile the decompress to run on my unix, and I will give an update shortly. Where would you need the tape shipped? -----Original Message----- From: John Willis [mailto:jwillis@arielusa.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:50 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape Sounds great. Let me know what you find out! Thanks, John "VAX Pirate" Willis

23 years, 2 months

A way to erase OTP components?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > >Doug Jackson wrote: >> A UV LED????? >[...] >> I was aware that we have White, and blue (Through Phospor, and funky >> doping), but these UV devices are new to me... > >Blue LEDs don't require any phosphor. The phosphors are used to get >*other* colors from blue or UV LEDs, such as white. Agilent made some >really nice white LEDs that didn't have the remaining blue tint of >the common ones, but they were expensive and no one wanted to pay >the premium, so they've been discontinued. > >The earliest blue LEDs (Silicon Carbide) had very low output, so RGB LEDs >needed two blue dice to one each red and green to get decent matching. >However, so much R&D has been done to improve them that now blue LEDs >(gallium nitride) are now the *most* efficient, at least in the visible >spectrum. > Hi That doesn't explain short wave UV LED's. If you had enough energy to erase an EPROM, it would be strong enough to damage the cornea of your eye. I've experimented with long wave UV when I was at Intel ( years ago ). Even a week under one of these had no effect. Dwight

23 years, 2 months

Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape

by jwillis＠arielusa.com

Sounds great. Let me know what you find out! Thanks, John "VAX Pirate" Willis -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Leavitt Sent: Wed 1/22/2003 4:03 PM To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org' Cc: Subject: RE: Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape Depending on where you would need it shipped, I'd try making one for you. I couldn't find the FTP site, but if given the file specifics, I've got a T1 available for the download too. MS: Where can I find the instructions and content? I'll read them over and see if my tape drive will do what is needed. It is pretty versitile. I use it to read and convert tapes from all kinds of systems. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: msokolov(a)ivan.harhan.org [mailto:msokolov@ivan.harhan.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:41 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape jwillis(a)dahmer.vistech.net wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape? (TU80) Anyone with a 9-track tape unit (I'm sure there are plenty such people on this list) should be able to write you a set of tapes from the images on my FTP site. There is even a FORMAT.1600 file there telling you what to put on which tape and in which order. A friend of mine is holding a working TU81 for me and while I would love to get it operational, I don't feel like bringing it into this apartment, especially since I may have to move again in 6 months... MS

23 years, 2 months

cctalk digest, Vol 1 #405 - 38 msgs

by sml49＠attbi.com

> Anyone know where I can source the resistive touchpad element for an > Apple Messagepad 2x00 from? > Try posting your inquiry on the MacMarines list; send it to <sarge(a)macmarines.com>, a great resource for all things Apple. ..SML

23 years, 2 months

A way to erase OTP components?

by doug_jackson＠citadel.com.au

A UV LED????? (Drops his project planning tools, and kind of wishes he was at the technical coal face once more) I was aware that we have White, and blue (Through Phospor, and funky doping), but these UV devices are new to me... regards Doug Jackson Director, Managed Security Services Citadel Securix +61 (0)2 6290 9011 (Ph) +61 (0)2 6262 6152 (Fax) +61 (0)414 986 878 (Mobile) Web: <www.citadel.com.au> Offices in Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra, Hong Kong, Boston -----Original Message----- From: Bob Shannon [mailto:bshannon@tiac.net] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:58 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: A way to erase OTP components? I currently work for a company that makes the X-Ray supplies for airport scanners. We have the full X-Ray emitter heads at test loads for the -180KV, 15ma supplies in-house. These scanners place the high voltage under computer control, they don't run at any one preset level. I gather that the operating point shifts as the tubes age, and perhaps also with the material being examined under software control. But crank one of these babies up to full power, and the X-rays will generate very high charge levels in the die and cook the part. The question now becomes, does the date go away before the transistors do? On a related note, I recently erased a (windowed) 27C512 using a UV led. I did'nt think it would work, but it did. Eric Smith wrote: >Bob Shannon wrote: > >>X-rays will erase the part at high energy levels, but this will also >>degrade the part to the point where it >>will fail soon, or die during erasure. >> > >A friend had a large quantity of programmed 27C512 OTP EPROMs, with >contents of no use to him. He tried to erase them using a commerical >X-ray machine, of the type used for inspecting assembled circuit boards >(to check solder joints on BGA packages) and was unable to produce any >noticable change to the part. > >This subject has been discussed on sci.electronics multiple times in the >past, and the consensus was that the frequency of Xrays is such that >they have no direct effect on the stored data. But at very high >exposures it is definitely possible to damage the part. > >Note that the exposure levels used for baggage inspection at airports >is far too low to cause any measurable effect on EPROMs. They are >generally set to substantially lower levels than medical X-rays >equipment. > >The normal erasure procedure for EPROMs is to use short-wave UV light, >nominally at a wavelength of 2537 angstroms (about 254 nm). Unlike the >more common long-wave UV (black lights), this *is* dangerous to your eyes; >never look into the light. The light bulbs and the window on the EPROM >are made from quartz rather than glass, because glass blocks most of the >short-wave UV. Suitable bulbs are commonly sold for germicidal use. > >In the mid-1980s, at least one Japanese semiconductor company offered >plastic windowed EPROMs. The package was a normal epoxy DIP package, >except that a square area in the center was molded from a different >plastic. The window was translucent (not transparent) to visible light. >These were less expensive than the usual ceramic windowed parts, but >more expensive than OTP parts. However, they could only be erased a >small number of times because the plastic window becomes opaque to the >shortwave UV with prolonged exposure. > >I'd heard of these plastic windowed packages at the time, but never >actually saw one until I purchased a coin-op video game board at an >auction. > >Eric > > > > > CAUTION - The information in this message may be of a privileged or confidential nature intended only for the use of the addressee or someone authorised to receive the addressee's e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster(a)citadel.com.au. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Citadel Securix. Feel free to visit the Citadel Securix website! Click below. http://www.citadel.com.au

23 years, 2 months

laptop wanted; toshiba T1100+ questions

by gil＠vauxelectronics.com

Hi folks: A couple of questions: 1) OK, this one is off-topic: Does anyone have an old laptop for sale? I'm looking for a reasonably-priced one with Win98/98se. 2) I recently got a toshiba T1100plus which seems to work well (except for a few stuck pixels). It came with an ms-dos 3.30 disk, which boots it nicely, but I would like to find ms-dos ver 3.2 that it shipped with. Also, when I run format on the machine (with 3.3), it formats the disks to 300-something KB instead of 720KB. Running format /? does not seem to list help info on the 3.3 dos, as it does on other versions I have used. I can format a 720K disk on my win98 desktop machine, but I am wondering why dos 3.3 is formatting to less that the drive can handle. Anyone with Toshiba dos 3.2 out there? thanks, gil ;----------------------------------------------------------- ; vaux electronics, inc. 480-354-5556 ; http://www.vauxelectronics.com (fax: 480-354-5558) ;-----------------------------------------------------------

23 years, 2 months

Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Kelly Leavitt <kelly(a)catcorner.org> wrote: > MS: Where can I find the instructions and content? ivan.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/4.3BSD-Quasijarus0a Since the original enquirer asked for 1600 BPI, you would go by FORMAT.1600. All files on my site are compressed with 4.3BSD-Quasijarus compress(1). The 1600 BPI distribution consists of two tapes (assuming you are using 2400 ft reels). The first tape contains binaries and the second tape contains sources. The tape with binaries must be written uncompressed, and the sources can be written compressed as they are on the FTP site to fit them on one tape. If the machine you will use to write the tapes isn't running 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0a and you don't have an uncompress utility that supports 4.3BSD-Quasijarus compress -s format, you will need to download and compile my compress utility in order to uncompress the binaries: ivan.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/components/compress.tar MS

23 years, 2 months

Thunderware LightningScan

by cb＠mythtech.net

Couple of questions about a Thunderware LightningScan for the Mac. 1: Any one have any idea what the voltage is for the power supply for it? I have on here, but the person I got it from warned me that the power supply he was including might or might not be for it. All he knew is it was the only power supply in the box of stuff with it that fit. The power supply is a wall wart rated at 16v AC, 20vA. Says its made by Condor. 2: Included (and what I actually thought I was getting) is a Thunderscan adaptor for the Imagewriter. It has been a REALLY long time since I used one, but I recalled it being a drop in replacement for the ribbon, and it connected inline to the serial port. So you connected the Thunderscan to the Mac, and the Imagewriter to the box on the cord for the Thunderscan. The one I have jives with that, but connected to the end of the serial connector is another box that looks like it would connect to the Drive port, and then to a Mini-Din 8 serial port. This box is removable, so it might not belong for all I know (it is labled "Thunderscan", so it must at least go to one of their products) What is this other box. Is it just a converter for use with din 8 serial ports? If so, why the connector for the Drive port? (The one I used in the past was on a 512K, and I don't remember this box being part of the setup, but then it would have connected to a DE-9 serial port which is what the Scanner head cable terminates to). 3: What is the LightningScan box for? Is this part of a different scanner? I'm sure this box was not part of the setup I used in the past. It appears to have SCSI ports on it (two DB-25 ports and a push button number selector). There is a mini-din 8 on this box. Is that odd adaptor to hook up to this box? The din 8 cable looks kind of short to be used with this box and have it connect to the drive port AND the box connected to the SCSI port. (The box is too small to be a zero footprint device that sits under the Mac, and the din 8 pigtail is only about 5 inches long, enough to reach to the serial port on the Mac, but not enough to reach to the outside of the mac to connect to the front of the LightningScan box where the din 8 port is). I did a bit of googling, and it looks like the LightningScan box was for a hand scanner, so it might not go to the Thunderscan at all. But that other drive port looking adaptor box has me stumped. Anyone able to shed some additional light on this stuff? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 2 months

Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape

by kelly＠catcorner.org

Depending on where you would need it shipped, I'd try making one for you. I couldn't find the FTP site, but if given the file specifics, I've got a T1 available for the download too. MS: Where can I find the instructions and content? I'll read them over and see if my tape drive will do what is needed. It is pretty versitile. I use it to read and convert tapes from all kinds of systems. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: msokolov(a)ivan.harhan.org [mailto:msokolov@ivan.harhan.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:41 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape jwillis(a)dahmer.vistech.net wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for Quasijarus 4.3BSD on 1600bpi magtape? (TU80) Anyone with a 9-track tape unit (I'm sure there are plenty such people on this list) should be able to write you a set of tapes from the images on my FTP site. There is even a FORMAT.1600 file there telling you what to put on which tape and in which order. A friend of mine is holding a working TU81 for me and while I would love to get it operational, I don't feel like bringing it into this apartment, especially since I may have to move again in 6 months... MS

23 years, 2 months

A plea to classiccmpers

by doug_jackson＠citadel.com.au

Here in Australia, STD calls (over 50km?) are billed per minute. My understanding is that our entire population (approx 14 mill) is equivalent to that of New York. Unfortunately (from an infrastructure perspective) this population is spread over an area the size of the USA. This means that telecoms costs are high. This is not actually a problem for net connections here, as most national ISP's provide a 'local call' number to dail. Doug Jackson Director, Managed Security Services Citadel Securix +61 (0)2 6290 9011 (Ph) +61 (0)2 6262 6152 (Fax) +61 (0)414 986 878 (Mobile) Web: <www.citadel.com.au> Offices in Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra, Hong Kong, Boston > -----Original Message----- > From: acme(a)ao.net [mailto:acme@ao.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:03 AM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Re: A plea to classiccmpers > > > From: Daniel Hicks <danielrhicks(a)hotmail.com> > Date: 01/22/2003 1:37 PM > > > > > Pay by the minute for connection time? You're getting screwed. > > > > I beg your pardon. I live in the USA. However, in many > parts of the world, > all telephone calls are metered. > > This is *not* a USA-only list. > > Later -- > > Glen > 0/0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAUTION - The information in this message may be of a privileged or confidential nature intended only for the use of the addressee or someone authorised to receive the addressee's e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster(a)citadel.com.au. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Citadel Securix. Feel free to visit the Citadel Securix website! Click below. http://www.citadel.com.au

23 years, 2 months

BBC Micro - assemblers - info needed

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 22, 12:45, dave(a)cirt.net wrote: > Quoting pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com: > > On Jan 18, 16:16, Philip Pemberton wrote: > > > > > Finally, does anyone know how some discs were formatted so they were > > > compatible with 40-track and 80-track disc drives? > > The way Acorn did that with things like the Master 128 Welcome Disc was to > > make all the directory entries (on track 0) point to tracks between 5 and > > 9, and 20 and 39. Track 20 on a 48-tpi drive is where track 40 would be on > > a 96-tpi drive: > > One has to be very careful with the formatting - there where several different > FS formats - some with varying compatibility. (Talking about the file system > side here) The Master welcome disc used ADFS which was slightly more advanced > than the more common DFS that was used on the earlier Acorns. Yes, I'm aware of that. The Master Welcome Disc appears to the system as an ADFS S disc (S means "small format", 160K), ie as 40-track single-sided disc. It just happens to be made in such a way as to be readable in 40-track and 80-track drives. I created a few discs like that at the time. I did it by hand, but I believe eventually someone made a utility or ROM to do it. Now if you think that's wierd, how about the disc I have (also for a BBC) that has three separate sets of data on it, all in DFS format? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 2 months

Apollo DN 4500 looking to be saved from computer recycler

by vcf＠siconic.com

It's located near Rochester, NY. Information below. Reply to original sender. Reply-to: <amacur(a)frontiernet.net> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:29:05 -0500 From: Alexander G. Macur <amacur(a)frontiernet.net> Subject: RE: Apollo DN 4500 looking to be saved from computer recycler I have a vintage Apollo DN4500 including 19" monitor looking for a home I also have all the HP/Apollo docs & software (although I doubt the DC600A tapes would be readable) I also have lots of DC600A tapes but my guess is after 10+ years the media would have deteriorated. Its in Webster (Rochester) NY. When I moved from Syracuse to St Louis in 1993 I hooked it up and it booted to the Apollo Domain/OS prompt. I didn't bother to unpack it when I moved from St Louis to Rochester. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 2 months

A plea to classiccmpers

by acme＠ao.net

From: Daniel Hicks <danielrhicks(a)hotmail.com> Date: 01/22/2003 1:37 PM > > Pay by the minute for connection time? You're getting screwed. > I beg your pardon. I live in the USA. However, in many parts of the world, all telephone calls are metered. This is *not* a USA-only list. Later -- Glen 0/0

23 years, 2 months

amstrad pcw available

by classiccmp.org＠irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk

Hi.. is an Amstrad PCW (8512 I think) c/w printer of interest to anybody. From memory, it's a CP/M machine, but uses stupid little 3" discs (not 3.5") and originally came with a boot-up-into-wordprocessor disc... It's currently in my neigbours front yard waiting for the bin men, but I've a mind to rescue it. Apparently it works fine, just needs a new fuse. It's in Salford, England, btw .. Rob.

23 years, 2 months

A plea to classiccmpers

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Besides, at modem speeds, who WANTS to retrieve a 100K message that only >has a paragraph of new content? Could be worse... this comes to mind only because as I read your message, I noticed a new email coming down from one guy that I want to strangle. I am on a mailing list for state surplus property so my Fire Deparment knows when good stuff comes in. The guy that sends out the notices keeps taking digital pics of the stuff, and importing them into MS Word documents before sending them as attachments. So he takes what would be a 50k JPEG, and turns it into a 2.5 MB word doc... just so I can take a look at whatever he is hocking that day (today it was a GMC dump truck). Even on DSL, downloading a 2.5 MB file to look at one picture is annoying! -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 2 months

BBC Micro - assemblers - info needed

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 18, 16:16, Philip Pemberton wrote: > Finally, does anyone know how some discs were formatted so they were > compatible with 40-track and 80-track disc drives? The way Acorn did that with things like the Master 128 Welcome Disc was to make all the directory entries (on track 0) point to tracks between 5 and 9, and 20 and 39. Track 20 on a 48-tpi drive is where track 40 would be on a 96-tpi drive: 96tpi 0 5 9 19 20 39 40 59 60 79 | | | | | | | D |X| |XXXXXXXXX| | | |__|_|____|_________|_________|_________| | | | | | | D |xxxx| |xxxxxxxxx|xxxxxxxxx| | | | | | | 48tpi 0 4 5 9 10 19 20 29 30 39 So you need to format parts of the disk as if they're 40-track and parts as if they're 80-track. Start by formatting the disk normally, at the density-of-your-choice. Next, write some dummy files that will occupy exactly tracks 0 (less the directory area) to 4, 5 to 9, and 9 to 19, and then delete the dummy that is in the space 9 to 19. You only need to do this for one density, thankfully, as the object is just to get the right placeholders in the space map. Then write the real data. Switch densities, format the tracks that need to be the alternate density (Disc Doctor can do this), and write the real files again. You may need to do the second set of writes with raw disk access, as IIRC ADFS will "overwrite" a file by writing a new version andf then deleting the old one -- which is not what you want because it will use the wrong space! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 2 months

A plea to classiccmpers

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Before we got DSL at work (we're about 17K feet from the CO) we had to get by >with a Dialup. Good old PacBell charged us about a penny a minute... DSL @ >$99.00 a month is actually cheaper... We actually has a similar thing here... I had been trying to get DSL put into the budget for months, and accounting kept saying no. Despite all the added benifits it would bring us, they didn't want the $250 a month price tag that I was proposing (this was early DSL, before you could get it dirt cheap, I was one of the first in my area to get it). So I was smart. I pulled out the last few months phone bills to show the cost we were paying to have our "unlimited" dialup line connected all day. It was connected to the network, and we were running a mail server, so the only time it hung up was after 11pm, and then it went to connecting once an hour to update the mail server, until 8am when it came back up full time again. Showing them three months of $450 line charges got my $250 a month DSL put onto the budget with no further complaints. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 2 months

A plea to classiccmpers

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Pay by the minute for connection time? You're getting screwed. Maybe they are, but from what I gather, that is not unusual outside the USA. Even here in the USA, if you are on a dialup connection, and calling from a business... guess what, you are probably paying by the minute. Most business lines in the USA are billed per minute of connect time (or worse, by the "message unit"). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 2 months

Toshiba laptop wanted (previously?)

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I had posted a while back about wanting a Toshiba 3100 laptop.... I think someone replied with one I could have, but I can't find that email anywhere. Long and short of it is I need something along the lines of a 286 or so, that is small enough to fit easily on my electronics bench, and has one ISA slot, preferrably two. I was thinking the Toshiba 3100 was pretty close to this. Can the original person who responded please get back to me, or does someone else have something close? I'm wanting to put an HP-IB card in the unit to interface with my test gear, and possibly a wireless card or at least an ethernet port (I could get the ethernet port with a zircom parallel port adapter that I have)... Thanks! Jay West --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

23 years, 2 months

PET 2001 Oddity 6550 Unobtainiums MOS TECHNOLOGY

by kandres＠epssecurity.com

Eric, Yes, you are correct. My fault. I've always mixed up MOSTEK and MOS Technology. It seems I remember that the MOS Technology folks left Motorola because of the way the 6800 was progressing, but that could be a faintly remembered rumor also. MOS Technology was responsible for the 6550 ram. I seem to remember having a book from 82 or 83 from MOS Technology somewhere. Kev --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003

23 years, 2 months

A plea to classiccmpers

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Daniel Hicks writes: > Pay by the minute for connection time? You're getting screwed. Yes. Thanks for letting us know. This has been common practice since forever in Europe, and many other parts of the world. --f

23 years, 2 months

VAX VMS Question

by Fred.van.Kempen＠microwalt.nl

Yes. On the 2950, set the port to 10Mbps, half-duplex, no flow control, no spanning tree: int fastethernet 0/xxx speed 10 duplex half flow none spanning-tree portfast no shutdown or somesuch. The Cisco ASIC's hate the VAX ethernet port, same here on my 4000. Basically, the ether connection is bouncing between between various modes, making it slow and such. --fred

23 years, 2 months

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