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by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

Sellam wrote: Never heard of an IV/60 or IV/80, only IV/70 and IV/90 (I have the latter). What were the '60 and 80'? i have the rack from the iv 60 - the cover that hides the rack front is still on it and has sys iv 60 written on it. the the sys 460 is a two rack system - 1 rack had the diablo disk drive, hard drive and i/o comms interface (i have all of those components and alot of spare cpu and terminal pcb's). the other rack had both the iv 70 and iv 90 cpu's in it. the iv 70 had a card in it that passed the backplane signals to the iv 90 - i don't know why they used this "dual cpu" confg. i found out the info on the iv 60 when asking old fps employees about the iv 70 and 90 needed to complete the system. so far sellam has the only complete fps mini system that i know of. so i have given up on completing my sys 460 for now. i still have the fps stuff includeing three terminals and a very heavy drum printer. the iv 60 rack? i'm putting it to use, it has a smc carousel in it part of my early broadcast automation that i am hopeing to complete. when done it will be a harris system 90 or schiffer with 3 three track r2r's, a brain and three carousels (any body on list have this stuff ;)) Bill

23 years, 2 months

EMC2 Orion

by jplist＠kiwigeek.com

Greetings folks; Picked up an EMC2 Orion the other day. Well. Someone else picked it up for me, I'm supposed to get it on Saturday... The generosity of others. Anyone else have one of these? Anything I should know about them before I power it up for the first time? To be honest, I don't even know what kind of interface it uses... On the upside it comes with the Service and Technical manuals, so I shouldn't be at a loss for useful (I hope?) documentation. My thanks for any info you chaps and ladies can provide; JP

23 years, 2 months

WTD: TM100 floppy drives

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: Well, my Northstar is up and running but I want to replace the flaky floppy drives with two working Tandon drives. I need the double-sided TM100-2A version, commonly used in the PC/XT. If anyone has these, please contact me off-list. Thanks a lot. Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

23 years, 2 months

still have the androbot robot?

by petalumadogman＠hotmail.com

Ran across an old thread reguarding a androbot topo robot.. Is it still around?

23 years, 2 months

"page left blank"

by Innfogra＠aol.com

Not that it matters much, but I think it's due to the way pages are printed and bundled together into sections (graphs?). "Signatures" is the correct term for the bundle of pages and "Imposition" is the way the pages are laid out on the sheet. I spent 10 years as a printer/typesetter. In imposition, if you wanted a page left blank, you just left it blank. I think labeling "page left blank" deals more with the expectations of the user or reader of the book than of the printing process involved. Paxton Astoria, OR

23 years, 2 months

Why did they publish 'blank' pages

by doug_jackson＠citadel.com.au

Megan, in a recent post (and probably every other post, but I wasn't looking) has included in her sig line the following text; +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: mbg at world.std.com | | | | | "this space | (s/ at /@/) | | unavoidably left blank" | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ Can anybody shed some light on the origin and use of the term "This space intenionally left blank"? regards Doug Jackson CAUTION - The information in this message may be of a privileged or confidential nature intended only for the use of the addressee or someone authorised to receive the addressee's e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster(a)citadel.com.au. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Citadel Securix. Feel free to visit the Citadel Securix website! Click below. http://www.citadel.com.au

23 years, 2 months

Berg Connectors

by djg＠drs-esg.com

>From: "Charles H. Dickman" <chd_1(a)nktelco.net> >Is there a replacement for the Berg connectors? > >I am talking about the 100mil spacing, dual inline connectors that had >individually insertable, crimp contacts. The AMP MT connectors look like >a replacement. Does anybody have experience with this? > I have used others, may of been amp. The main problem is that when using standard 40 pin connectors they are narrower so it is possible to misalign when plugging in the cable. I have put a blob of glue on the ends of the connector to take up some of the slop so I can't plug them in wrong. DEC used a 44 pin connector for the discrete wire which doesn't seem to be common.

23 years, 2 months

Heathkit H89 Intro

by knightstalkerbob＠netscape.net

"Jason J. Gullickson" <mr(a)jasongullickson.com> wrote: >I recently acquired what I believe to be a Heathkit H89. It was >assembled a long time ago by my friend's father, contains a single disk >drive and a monochrome terminal. > >My ultimate goal would be to get this thing running CPM and a C >compiler, but first I need to figure out if it's working. > >I've yet to determine if it has a hard or soft-sectored disk controller, >but I have some general questions since I don't have any documentation. > >First, where can I get some documentation? ; ) I have all the original documentation, including the assembly manual and schematics. My first question is; has Heath/Zenith released H89 docs to P.D.? > >Second, when I turn the machine on, all I get is a blinking cursor. If >I depress the "offline" key, I can type characters on the terminal >accompanied by a short beep; if the "offline" key is not depressed, I >get long beeps and nothing on the display. What "should" it do when I >turn it on with no disk in the drive? > IIRC, on power-up, you only have about 4 options as to what keys you can press. Pressing "B" should respond with "oot" (to boot the machine). I don't remember what the other options were. I also remember a space bar tapping ritual, to syncronize the serial comm between the two boards. Don't remember when that was applicable, though. >I'll be happy to provide more info as I dig it up, but any introductory >details on this system or references to websites, etc. would be greatly >appreciated. > > >Jason J. Gullickson >mr(a)jasongullickson.com > -- Bob Mason 2x Amiga 500's, GVP A530 (40mhz 68030/68882, 8meg Fast, SCSI), 1.3/3.1, 2meg Chip, full ECS chipset, EZ135, 1084S, big harddrives, 2.2xCD Gateway Performance 500 Piece 'o Crap, 'ME, 384meg, 20Gig & 40Gig, flatbed. Heathkit H-89A, 64K RAM, hard and soft-sectored floppies, SigmaSoft and Systems 256K RAM Drive/Print Spooler/Graphics board HDOS 2 & CP/M 2.2.03/2.2.04

23 years, 2 months

"page left blank"

by grg2＠attbi.com

Not that it matters much, but I think it's due to the way pages are printed and bundled together into sections (graphs?). Many printing presses are large enough to print 4 or more pages at a time on one sheet. Then the sheets are cut and folded into sections. This means the number of pages printed and pages per sectio have to be a multiple of 4. So one often ends up with a few blank pages at the end of each section. Nothing that can be done about it without some heavy-duty computer page composition, easier now, but not even remotely possible before 1970 or so.

23 years, 2 months

Intel ISIS-II information and systems

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Steve Thatcher" <melamy(a)earthlink.net> > >Hi, I just found this list and wanted to see who else might be >interested in ISIS-II. I am in the process of restoring a MDS-220 >machine and I have all the old software from my MDS days back >in the 70s and 80s (OS, ICE, assmeblers, etc, etc, etc. I also >have iPDS software and machines if anyone is interested. > >I also had disassembled and modified ISIS-II to run on a Northstar >Horizon system I had back then. If anyone is interested in running >ISIS on a different machine, I will have source code available >once I get my MDS up and running. > >Best regards, Steve Thatcher > Hi Steve I also have a MDS-800 and a Series II. I've not powered up any of it yet ( too many projects ). I have a pile of software and a bunch of document that all need cataloging. I also have a couple of UPP's. In the hardware I have, I have a non-Intel Ice for a Z80 as well. I used to work at Intel in the development systems division. We had Series II's and 800's as lab machines. I was responsible for system test of the UPP products. If I haven't lost it, I should have a copy of a Fig-Forth that I put under ISIS. Dwight

23 years, 2 months

Converting simh .tap file to real tape

by cmcnabb＠4mcnabb.net

I've a .tap file with an image of the micro 83 maintenance tape. I tried writing the image to a real tape using vtserver, however, vtserver appears to want to put the entire .tap image into one tape file on the real tape. Is there a program out there that will do the correct thing (boot blocks in file 0, data in file 1, etc, etc)? I'm running RSTS/E 9.7 on the machine and can xfer the .tap file to the -11 using kermit. -- Christopher L McNabb Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)4mcnabb.net Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.1356N 80.4272N GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

23 years, 2 months

Intel ISIS-II information and systems

by melamy＠earthlink.net

Hi, I just found this list and wanted to see who else might be interested in ISIS-II. I am in the process of restoring a MDS-220 machine and I have all the old software from my MDS days back in the 70s and 80s (OS, ICE, assmeblers, etc, etc, etc. I also have iPDS software and machines if anyone is interested. I also had disassembled and modified ISIS-II to run on a Northstar Horizon system I had back then. If anyone is interested in running ISIS on a different machine, I will have source code available once I get my MDS up and running. Best regards, Steve Thatcher

23 years, 2 months

Apple IIe / Ddial update

by rick＠netadel.com

Some kind soul left a disk II controller card and a 80 col/64k card on the shelf where all the IIe's are at Weirdstuff. I picked up a platinum IIe, plain old second gen ][e, a pair of disk drives, the cards, and a mono monitor for 25.00. I believe that to be more than reasonable. Now.. I popped in the SS cards I got from Sellam (thanks!), and the disk with Ddial, and loaded it up. Bummer for me is the ddial was the first version that does not support the serial card linking .. Has anyone got a later version of Diversi-Dial? I'd even pay cash for it :) Not too much though, my wife is already irked at the Apple "monstrosity" that "seems to have grown by itself"

23 years, 2 months

Emulated Peripherals

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

I was sort of shocked to see snide remarks directed at the guy who posted a (well, blatantly commercial -- but let's pass that by for now) message about his company's legacy emulation products. First, most people who are still using classic/legacy hardware in their business aren't doing it because they think it's fun, or cool -- they're trapped, and a bit foolish. Given the expense, limited support, and general unreliability of the stuff, it's hard enough to justify using even the CPUs for mission critical operations, but absolutely senseless to keep using classic storage devices when they can be using modern, available, interchangeable, reliable replacements. Their goals are different than ours. Our is to play with the stuff for the enjoymment of it, to preserve it, to teach people about it. Most businesses have no -- um, business -- letting these motives dominate their need for security and stability. Second, it's pretty damned presumptuous to assume that these folks have any less appreciation for the old technology than we do. They're keeping this stuff going, keeping it at work, and getting paid a fair price for it. Bully for them. Third, does it make sense to offend the people who are first in line to help find new homes for classic gear when it eventually gets completely decommissioned? Brian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _| _| _| Brian Knittel _| _| _| Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 _| _| _| Fax: 1-510-525-6889 _| _| _| Email: brian(a)quarterbyte.com _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com

23 years, 2 months

dg computer

by tclough＠indy.net

my first computer was a digital group.had a selectable bios so you could use a 6502 or 6800 processor.still have it in the basement somewhere along with a heathkit h89,a swtp 6800, a pdp11-23 running a pair of RL-02's, a vax 11-73, 9 track 1/2 inch tape drives and a winchester.oh yeah i foregot about the apple lisa.Ah the memories, usually defined in k bytes.still have the old teletype, and motorola exercisors and the 12 inch b/w monitor i converted from an old tv.industrial monitors cost as much as a new car then.i remember adding a carrige return lever to my teletype back in the 70's. took all weekend to get all the levers remounted.anyway nice to see there are still enthusiasts around who still remember the roots of the technology.bye --- TONY CLOUGH--- tclough(a)indy.net--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

23 years, 2 months

[possibly OT]: 80386 I/O card jumper settings

by philpem＠dsl.pipex.com

Hi all, Well, this is just about covered by the "10-year rule", so here goes: I've been given an old 40MHz 386DX motherboard with a separate I/O card. Ordinarily, this would not be a problem, except the previous owner has disabled the COM (RS232) ports on the card and has lost the jumper settings. Looking at the component side of the board with the mounting bracket to the right, the card has an IDE connector marked "JP1" on the left hand side, a floppy disk connector (JP9) on the top, a Game Port connector (JP10) and an RS232 connector near the bracket. There are four banks of jumpers - one consisting of JP2, JP3 and JP4; another labelled "JP6" (bank of 6 jumpers, three pins); another labelled "JP7" (bank of 6 jumpers, three pins) and finally one labelled JP8, a bank of 8 jumpers with only three jumper caps. The board has a holographic sticker (holographic text is "Polaproof", "Wugo" is printed on the label in blue ink) on the solder side. The controller chip is a Winbond W83757F, complete with a few MC1488/1489 linedrivers, some LS244s and LS245s and an NE556 Dual Timer. Has anyone come across one of these boards before or, better yet, has jumper settings for it? Thanks. -- Phil. philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com http://www.philpem.dsl.pipex.com/

23 years, 2 months

dg computers

by tclough＠indy.net

P.S. my DG comp didn't have a power meter. --- TONY CLOUGH--- tclough(a)indy.net--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

23 years, 2 months

FA: Dec Dgital PDP8/a Vintage 1976 Era PDP8 / A on eBay

by stuart＠stuartsjohnsonfamily.net

I know that some of the folks on the list (including myself) enjoy old DEC equipment and when I saw this on eBay I thought that some of the members here might be interested in it. I'm not affiliated with the seller or this auction at all. Dec Dgital PDP8/a Vintage 1976 Era PDP8 / A , Item #3401953610, URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3401953610&category=1247 The opening price is $250 US. I had not seen a picture of a PDP-8 /A before. Good Luck! Stuart Johnson

23 years, 2 months

Digital RK06/07 field tester

by mongomay＠worldnet.att.net

I cannot find a manual for this unit and was wandering if anyone might have a use for it. WIthout a manual I cannot drive a current use for it myself. It is in great shape. THanks JIm may mongomay(a)att.net

23 years, 2 months

Recent Activities (11/34)

by jss＠subatomix.com

This weekend I decided to start the process of building and making work my PDP-11/34 (upgraded to 34a). Most of my CC activity will have to occur on the weekends, because my job is quickly ballooning to nearly fill up each day. Not that I mind; my job is fun. Now before you can get that "I told you so" off your lips, I will have you know that I *still* have more time than when in college for playing with my toys. Weekends are better than nothing. The first thing was to get access to the machine. Ouch, but success. Next, I made an inventory list of all the cards in the machine. I'll paste it at the bottom of this mail. Next, I downloaded and started reading some manuals, including 11/34 UG, BA11-K UG, BA11-K FMPS. There are a lot of pages there, and I want to read them before doing too much more, so I'll print them out and take them to work for some lunchtime entertainment. Another thing I decided was that I needed to mount this thing in a rack before I do too much more with it. Mainly, I need to get to the underside easily. I tried to harvest some rails from the rusty 11/70 carcass in the garage. After some work, I was able to get the BA11-K in the carcass to slide out, but it was too stuck to get off of its rails. I couldn't tilt it up, either, because one of the releases wouldn't budge. I decided to take the entire thing off, rails and all, and remove the rails later. I also decided to get a friend to help, just in case. Unfortunately, my friend is sick this weekend, so I couldn't do much more. I did fire up the compressor and blow air into the machine and into the LA120 I have nearby. I think I'll play with the LA120 a little and see what condition it is in. Next weekend, I hope to get the 11/34 mounted in the H960 rack, read the manuals, and document jumper settings on the various boards. PDP-11/34a CARD LIST ==================== AAAAAAAAAAA BBBBBBBBBBB CCCCCCCCCCC DDDDDDDDDDD EEEEEEEEEEE FFFFFFFFFFF 09 M9202------------------ G727A------ == ||||||||||||||||||||||| 11 ----------------------- G727A------ 12 M7850------------------ G727A------ 17 G727A------ == ||||||||||||||||||||||| M8265 KD11-EA data paths module (replaces M7265) (11/34A) M8266 KD11-EA control module (replaces M7266) (11/34A) M7254 RK11-D RK05 status control module M7255 RK11-D RK05 disk control module M7256 RK11-D RK05 registers module M7257 RK11-D RK05 bus control module M7819 DZ11-A 8-line async EIA mux, 50-96K, modem control M7847-CD MS11-FP 8-Kword 18-bit MOS RAM M7847-xJ (7) MS11-JP 16-Kword 18-bit MOS RAM M7850 (2) MM11-CP parity board for G651, MS11-EP/FP/HP/JP M7856 (2) DL11-W RS-232 SLU & realtime clock option M7859 KY11-LB console interface; programmer's console (11/34a) G727A (4) Grant continuity card M920 UNIBUS connector M9202 UNIBUS connector, longer with 2' cable M9302 UNIBUS terminator, far end (SU) M9312 UNIBUS terminator, near end w/ 5 bootstrap ROM sockets -- Jeffrey Sharp

23 years, 2 months

Sierra Adventure Games

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

I downloaded them fine, and they even work on my W2K system. However, they take control of the video, and swing it to CGA/VGA. I need to reboot to restore my video after playing KQ1. Note, however, that the add-on text and music packs also work great. Cheers! Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, TX; USA Phone (210) 592-3110, Fax (210) 592-2048 edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org@PEUSA On Behalf Of Chad > Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:11 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Sierra Adventure Games > > > Ed Chapel wrote: > > > >> Remember the early Kings Quest series of adventure games? > >> KQ1 has been remade for VGA graphics by a group called Tierra > >> Entertainment. > >> They are doing a terrific job of rebuilding the games. Same great > >> gameplay. > >> The remade version is a free download and works fine in Windows. > >> > >> KQ1 site: http://www.qknowledge.net/royalquest/KQ1index.htm > >> Tierra main site: http://www.qknowledge.net/royalquest/index.html > >> > >> Ed > >> Vancouver, WA > > I tried downloading it but got errors when clicking on cetain links on > the web site, including the download page. > > Chad Fernandez > Mcihigan, USA [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef]

23 years, 2 months

Wanted: KG11-A Manual

by jss＠subatomix.com

My PDP-11/20 includes a M7251 KG11-A board, which appears to be a CRC helper option for communications software. I've been able to find some diagnostic code listings for it, but no manuals. Does anyone out there have any manuals for it, either scanned or dead-tree? If I can't download it, then I would like to either buy-for-cheap it or borrow-and-copy it. Thanks! -- Jeffrey Sharp

23 years, 2 months

What computer is this front panel for?

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

Wow, thats a tough one. i agree with Sellam, it does look like a four phase panel. but - fps did not use a flat rack panel - they used a bezel and the board bolted to it. i wonder if it is fps and perhaps an iv/60,70 or 80 or an early prototype of one of them. if the seller looked at the pcb for a name - that may end our mystery - fps screened "fps","four phase systems inc" or "motorola information systems" or the pcb. motorola information systems bought out fps and made some boards for the fps systems. Bill Message: 40 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:31:54 -0800 (PST) From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: What computer is this front panel for? Reply-To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Kevin Schoedel wrote: > > (0) It's got 24 bits, or maybe 18 + 6 if you look closely. > > I think 24, since the numbers don't restart. Bit 0 is at the right, > which might rule out some machines. > > I'm pretty sure the first word at the top is "DISPLAY"; the next > might be "REGISTER", but I'm not certain. I think the word that > labels bits 18-21 might be "INSTRUCTION". Can anyone think of a > machine with a 4-bit opcode and 18-bit address? I think the next > word (first of two labelling 0-17) is the same. Now that I've looked at it more, it almost looks like a Four Phase Systems front panel. It can't remember now, but I believe it was either a 16- or 18-bit machine (18-bits would make sense with regards to these front panels). -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival

23 years, 2 months

What computer is this front panel for?

by aek＠spies.com

i wonder if it is fps and perhaps an iv/60,70 or 80 I have a IV/70 reference manual, and the front panel is quite different. Four Phase also numbered their bits in big-endian order. I'm still guessing they're for Harris H-series.

23 years, 2 months

IBM Displaywriter etc

by dancohoe＠oxford.net

I ran across a number of Displaywriter cpu's and keyboards on the weekend as well as a bunch of IBM 4972 terminals. I think I may find Series/1 parts in further searching through this interesting site. I didn't know what the floppy drives for the Displaywriters looked like until I checked with Google after coming home. I believe I saw some of them as well. I also picked up some manuals and diagnostic diskettes for the IBM Office System 6. Anybody need them? The actual System 6 is there but has been out in the rain too long to be of much interest unless someone needs something specific (and waterproof) from it. Quite a lot of other stuff as well, which I'll list as, if, and when I get to it. If anyone is interested in any of these things, I'll try to get them put away in safe storage. I'd be willing to hold on to them until Dayton. The owner is very reasonable with his selling prices. regards, Dan Cohoe

23 years, 2 months

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