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by cb＠mythtech.net

>It never made it to CNN or MSNBC. MSNBC's web site also altered a story the other day regarding Osama bin Ladin and Iraq. The first release made mention that bin Ladin was calling his people to kill Hussein. Then, when the US held a press briefing on the same topic, and tried to make it sound as if bin Ladin was in cahoots with Hussein, MSNBC suddenly altered their story, removing the reference. No explination to the change. Could have been an error, could have been an oversite, could have been a request by someone... could have been anything. Point is, the story took a change to reflect the US governments desired position on the topic, and they just pretened it had always been that way. Humm... does Winston Smith work for MSNBC? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

Draftmaster II

by pennyfar＠hotmail.com

cctalk(a)classiccmp.org-- I have some experience/documentation on the Draftmaster II, if it would be of any assistance to you. Cheers . . . John <pennyfar(a)hotmail.com> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Click here for more.

23 years, 1 month

DEC RC25 Drives

by univac2＠earthlink.net

A few weeks ago, I got a rather nice PDP-11/34 (34A, turnkey front panel) >from a scrap yard. They had two identical systems being used in some sort of electronic testing devices. I only got one system because the other one looked like it had been hit by a forklift a couple times. It wasn't in great shape, so I salvaged some cards from it (CPU, memory, DELUA, drive controller, UNIBUS utility stuff...). My system is in very nice shape though. And along with the CPU, I also got two RC25 drives, along with controllers and cables. I've never seen these before. Can anyone tell me anything about them? They look like nice drives, but I've never really heard much about them. Anyway, this will be my third 11/34. Of the other two, I still have (and very much like) one, and one has been passed on to another list member. Anyway, more questions on recent acquisitions to come shortly, I'm sure. -- Owen Robertson

23 years, 1 month

Intellivision _made_ PCs...

by bpope＠wordstock.com

This is from the Intellivision newsletter: INTELLIVISION LORE FROM THE FILES OF THE BLUE SKY RANGERS: THE INTV PC-XT COMPUTER Most Intellivision buffs are familiar with the three attempts Mattel Electronics made at producing a home computer: the Intellivision Keyboard Component, the Entertainment Computer System (ECS), and the Aquarius Home Computer System. Less well known is INTV Corp.'s foray into the computer business: the INTV-PC/XT. Sold only through a 1986 brochure to those on the Intellivision catalog mailing list, the computer was touted as "From the makers of Intellivision ...a name you know. We've been around awhile. We manufacture Intellivision, which brought a new standard of quality to home computer games in 1979. The INTV-PC/XT does the same for personal computers today." The brochure featured a half-dozen cartoons by Blue Sky Ranger Keith Robinson (TRON Solar Sailer) of average people using the computer to better their lives. The INTV-PC/XT sold for $999.95 plus $25.00 shipping and handling. It had switchable clock speeds: 4.7 MHz (same as the original IBM-PC) and 8 MHz. It came with 640K RAM, IBM PC-DOS, a monochrome monitor, and two 5.25" floppy disk drives. In reality, the computer was simply another of the nearly identical IBM-compatibles that a dozen generic companies were selling in the mid-1980s. INTV didn't manufacture it, they just put their label on it. The brochure - and the use of "XT" in the name of the computer - were a bit misleading. The brochure claimed that "the INTV-PC/XT is a true IBM-PC/XT compatible." Since the IBM-PC/XT (unlike the IBM-PC) came with a built-in hard drive, it could be inferred that the INTV-PC/XT also came with a hard drive. It didn't. In 1986, over 300,000 people were on the Intellivision mailing list. How many bought an INTV-PC/XT? We don't really know. If any of you out there owned one, we'd love to hear from you! Did you own an INTV-PC/XT? Drop us a line! > newsletter(a)intellivisionlives.com

23 years, 1 month

test Don't read.

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Test.

23 years, 1 month

SMD disk interface pinout/specs

by jim＠smithy.com

Does anyone have the specs/pinout for the 60-pin and 26-pin SMD disk drive interface?

23 years, 1 month

Bernoulli 10+10

by red＠bears.org

Hey, guys. I'm having trouble turning up information on the old Bernoulli 10 MB drives---the ones that used 8" media---that isn't mostly rumor and innuendo. Anybody want to take a stab at positively confirming or denying any or all of the following? 1) The Bernoulli 10+10 uses a custom interface. I need the correct controller card for my PC (or better, my Mac). 2) The Bernoulli 10+10 uses a SASI interface. I still need the correct controller card for my PC (or better, my Mac). 3) The Bernoulli 10+10 will work on any classic SCSI controller. I need the correct cable magic. (Describing the correct cable magic earns bonus points) Thanks ok bear

23 years, 1 month

pdp-11/35 question...

by aek＠spies.com

Any suggestions on building an 11/35... any other DEC boxes use the same power supply? -- The 11/34 is the most similar to an 11/35

23 years, 1 month

pdp-11/35 question...

by mross666＠hotmail.com

>>Any suggestions on building an 11/35... any other DEC boxes use the same >>power supply? I've a couple of 11/40 KD11-A backplanes, was >>thinking >>vaguely >I thought the 10.5" version of the 11/35 went into a BA11-K box, with > the >PSU across the back. The same box is used for the 10.5" version >of the 11/05, 11/10, 11/34. You would haev to select the right PSU bricks >for the memory your'e using -- you'd need a 20V regulator if you're fitting >core, for example. Tony, That's the bugger! You just gave me the clue: one of my pdp-15s had the power supply for the XVM-15 memory box robbed before I got it; 'they' wanted to keep it for spares for pdp-11s. (It used the same 'black box' regulator bricks). Getting the -15 running was a higher priority that keeping my 11/35 intact, so I 'sacrificed' the power supply from my 11/35 to power the pdp-15 memory. The remains of the old 11/35 chassis must be lurking in a corner, that's why I couldn't find it. This is good news, it means I'll be able to build a 10.5" 11/35 (which is what I want) out of the chassis of the 11/34 I just bought on ePay... :-) I had no idea if the chassis/PSU was even vaguely similar... memory failing! I will of course pay due attention to the regulators required. Thanks to all who replied Mike http://www.corestore.org _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

23 years, 1 month

hardware available

by anheier＠owt.com

More closets clean out. I have the following available: UDS-IS11 PC/ISA SCSI port card Buslogic BT-946C PCI SCSI port card Video card from SPARC 1+ Hard disk, Seagate ST31230N from SPARC 1+ $5 each + shipping or to the scrap yard next week. Thanks Norm

23 years, 1 month

RDRAM chips to give

by vhall＠infowest.com

I have two RDRAM chips, 128 mgs? ea out of a Dell Dimension 8200 that need a good home. You can re-imburse costs of mailing.

23 years, 1 month

by JJJACKWHIT＠aol.com

I have an Olivetti M-18P-2 portable (in a carry-around case) which was built by Olivetti before they became involved with AT&T. It has a hard drive (Western Digital), floppy drive and built in 9" monitor (mono). I have the original disks/software (PC-DOS 3.1) and software disks (Wordstar, Calcstar, Spellstar, etc). Is anyone interested in this machine?

23 years, 1 month

ibm 9332, alpha micro

by david＠bendixqld.com.au

I am looking for a AM 2000 I collect old alpha micro computers. Do you know where I can find 1? David Gage

23 years, 1 month

Dumpster Diving Goodies

by cb＠mythtech.net

Its amazing what some people throw out. I just got back from a bit of dumpster diving. I pulled from a sizable bin: 2 - HP LJ III (but only one letter size paper tray) HP LJ 4 HP LJ 5L about 25 Meridian phones, and left probably as many behind. I wasn't able to find the KSU so I didn't bother pulling any more phones out. Some various Digital parts and cables consisting of at least: a dot matrix looking printer, a "Remote Services Console Unit" (whatever that is, looks like maybe a terminal switch box), a A/B switch box, looks like maybe for printers. It has a plastic key taped to the top, that I am guessing goes to the actual DEC CPU, but I wasn't able to find that. A keyboard. A whole bunch of cables. Possibly some manuals, maybe other stuff (at times I was just shoveling things into my van without really looking at it) Assorted power, phone, and printer cables Canon Laser Faxmachine 2 - 14" VGA monitors. Royal timeclock Epson FX-256 printer manual (didn't realize I grabbed it, I left the printer behind). 2 Ribbons for the FX-256 1up and 3up tractor feed address labels (a box of each) 2 Platronics Headset bases (but only one headset) A Karioke machine Maybe more stuff... I haven't sorted thru it all yet, I'll probably start that task Monday. Things I left behind (that I saw): Epson FX-256 printer, 3- SilentWriter Faxmachines, Panasonic Electronic Typewriter, Princeton EGA(?) monitor, PS2 keyboard (label said it had bad keys), AT keyboard (I broke it while extricating it, I didn't realize I was standing on it when I pulled on the corner). 25 or more Meridian phones and cables. I wasn't able to find the Meridian KSU, nor the DEC CPU. But they could be down there somewhere, along with who knows what else. It was getting cold, and my flashlight was getting dim. I don't think I will bother going back, so if anyone else is in my area and wants to dig, the dumpster is outside the Gold's Gym behind Paramas Park Mall in Paramus NJ (Actually outside the Weight Watchers, but most people know the building by the Golds Gym. I think Weight Watchers is the one tossing everything judging by the actual garbage that is in the dumpster, but the phones look like too many for them, so they might be from the Remax realestate also in that building, they would also make more sense on the computer equipment). I will probably stop in to Weight Watchers and Remax Monday at lunch and ask if they are the ones tossing the stuff, and if so, if they still have the KSU and the DEC CPU, and if they are tossing them as well. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

Wanted: iUP201 modules

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Joe Yes, you are right. It was just a little brain rot on my part. Dwight >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >Dwight, > > Are you sure that you're not thinking of the older UPP-103 EPROM programmer? I know that it uses a 4040 but IIRC I've opened up an iUPP-201 and I THINK it used an 8085. The iUPP-201 looks kind of like a calculator with a keyboard on the right side and a single line LED display above it. On the left side next to the keyboard is large socket for the personality adapter. The personality adapter has the socket for the EPROM or other device to be programmed. The older iUPP-103 looks like a box with a sloping front. It has two EPROM sockets on the right side. The personality is controlled by cards that go inside the box. FWIW I picked up several more iUPP-103s with the massive load of intel stuff that I got just before Christmas. I found some of the cards for them but alas no CPU cards. Need any parts? > > Joe > > > >At 05:24 PM 3/3/03 -0800, Dwight wrote: >>Hi Joe >> When I was back at Intel, I was responsible for the test >>used by the system test on the UPP units. I can tell you a >>little bit about them. >> First, I have no idea what a "upgraded the RAM memory" >>means. These used 4002's. These work on the 4004/4040 >>bus. They are completely incompatable with other types >>of RAM's and they also have input ports on them ( or >>maybe it was output but I think it was inputs ). >>The internal orginization is not compatable with ordinary >>RAM's either( not a simple power of two type addressing ). >> The main controller board has a 4040 uP with some ROM >>( 4001's ). This ROM was addressed as >>bank0. Each of the two slots for the personality cards >>was addressed as Bank0 for slot 0 and Bank1 for slot 1. >>This way, personality code could be accessed on either >>bank to run the particular operation. The code on the >>controller board ran the handshake with the parallel >>port to the Intelec system. >> I wish that I'd saved the schematics I'd had at Intel >>but I was not as smart then. I'd also made a board that >>I'd plugged into a Intelec system in place of the 4040. >>It allowed me to test the hardware and compare ROM code >>to make sure every thing was correct. This is also long >>gone. >> I once even had the ROM code for these. >>Dwight >> >> >>>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >>> >>>Hi Robert, >>> >>> Do you have any info on the internal hardware for the 201? I have one >>that's dead. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:01 PM 3/3/03 -0500, you wrote: >>>>Just resurrected my Intel iUP201 Universal Programmer, >>>>and am writing the control software for it (which will be >>>>available for free). >>>> >>>>I'm wondering if anyone out there has any modules for it >>>>that they want to get rid of? I currently have the >>>>2708/2716/2732...27128 module and the 27128/27256 module. >>>>I've also upgraded the RAM memory on the programmer. >>>> >>>>I'm in Ottawa/Ontario/Canada, but will pay shipping worldwide. >>>>These things are pretty light. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>-RK >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers! >>>>Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. >>>>Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting and Training at www.parse.com

23 years, 1 month

Wanted: iUP201 modules

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Joe When I was back at Intel, I was responsible for the test used by the system test on the UPP units. I can tell you a little bit about them. First, I have no idea what a "upgraded the RAM memory" means. These used 4002's. These work on the 4004/4040 bus. They are completely incompatable with other types of RAM's and they also have input ports on them ( or maybe it was output but I think it was inputs ). The internal orginization is not compatable with ordinary RAM's either( not a simple power of two type addressing ). The main controller board has a 4040 uP with some ROM ( 4001's ). This ROM was addressed as bank0. Each of the two slots for the personality cards was addressed as Bank0 for slot 0 and Bank1 for slot 1. This way, personality code could be accessed on either bank to run the particular operation. The code on the controller board ran the handshake with the parallel port to the Intelec system. I wish that I'd saved the schematics I'd had at Intel but I was not as smart then. I'd also made a board that I'd plugged into a Intelec system in place of the 4040. It allowed me to test the hardware and compare ROM code to make sure every thing was correct. This is also long gone. I once even had the ROM code for these. Dwight >From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >Hi Robert, > > Do you have any info on the internal hardware for the 201? I have one that's dead. > > Joe > > > >At 12:01 PM 3/3/03 -0500, you wrote: >>Just resurrected my Intel iUP201 Universal Programmer, >>and am writing the control software for it (which will be >>available for free). >> >>I'm wondering if anyone out there has any modules for it >>that they want to get rid of? I currently have the >>2708/2716/2732...27128 module and the 27128/27256 module. >>I've also upgraded the RAM memory on the programmer. >> >>I'm in Ottawa/Ontario/Canada, but will pay shipping worldwide. >>These things are pretty light. >> >>Thanks, >>-RK >> >>-- >>Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers! >>Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. >>Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting and Training at www.parse.com

23 years, 1 month

SMD disk interface pinout/specs

by aek＠spies.com

.Does anyone have the specs/pinout for the 60-pin and 26-pin SMD disk drive interface? -- I have it scanned, i'll see about getting it pdf'ed and up at www.spies.com/aek/pdf/cdc

23 years, 1 month

Wanted: iUP201 modules

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi Dave Oops, This was after my time there. Thanks for correcting me. Dwight >From: "Dave Mabry" <dmabry(a)mich.com> > >Dwight and all, > >The UPP was the 4040-based eprom programmer. Joe and Robert are talking >about the iUP-201. It's been a long time, but I also upgraded the >memory on mine. I doubled it. I think from Intel it could have either >of two sizes of ram chips populating it. Probably a jumper or such to >change it from the smaller chips to the larger ones. Sorry to be vague >about it, but I seem to only be able to remember bits and pieces of that >life. Just ask Joe! ;-) > > > >Dwight K. Elvey wrote: >> Hi Joe >> When I was back at Intel, I was responsible for the test >> used by the system test on the UPP units. I can tell you a >> little bit about them. >> First, I have no idea what a "upgraded the RAM memory" >> means. These used 4002's. These work on the 4004/4040 >> bus. They are completely incompatable with other types >> of RAM's and they also have input ports on them ( or >> maybe it was output but I think it was inputs ). >> The internal orginization is not compatable with ordinary >> RAM's either( not a simple power of two type addressing ). >> The main controller board has a 4040 uP with some ROM >> ( 4001's ). This ROM was addressed as >> bank0. Each of the two slots for the personality cards >> was addressed as Bank0 for slot 0 and Bank1 for slot 1. >> This way, personality code could be accessed on either >> bank to run the particular operation. The code on the >> controller board ran the handshake with the parallel >> port to the Intelec system. >> I wish that I'd saved the schematics I'd had at Intel >> but I was not as smart then. I'd also made a board that >> I'd plugged into a Intelec system in place of the 4040. >> It allowed me to test the hardware and compare ROM code >> to make sure every thing was correct. This is also long >> gone. >> I once even had the ROM code for these. >> Dwight >> >> >> >>>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >>> >>>Hi Robert, >>> >>> Do you have any info on the internal hardware for the 201? I have one >> >> that's dead. >> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:01 PM 3/3/03 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>>>Just resurrected my Intel iUP201 Universal Programmer, >>>>and am writing the control software for it (which will be >>>>available for free). >>>> >>>>I'm wondering if anyone out there has any modules for it >>>>that they want to get rid of? I currently have the >>>>2708/2716/2732...27128 module and the 27128/27256 module. >>>>I've also upgraded the RAM memory on the programmer. >>>> >>>>I'm in Ottawa/Ontario/Canada, but will pay shipping worldwide. >>>>These things are pretty light. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>-RK >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers! >>>>Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316. >>>>Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting and Training at www.parse.com >>> >> >> . >> > > >-- >Dave Mabry dmabry(a)mich.com >Dossin Museum Underwater Research Team >NACD #2093

23 years, 1 month

VAX 4000-90A on epay...

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

This came in on another list this afternoon... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3404544601&category=1486 Per the seller, it `is FULL of ram', but I can't tell if it's the 4MB or 16MB SIMMs. No relation to seller, YMMV, IANAL, etc., etc., etc. Bob

23 years, 1 month

making disk images

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Use Norton/Symantec's "Ghost." It practically copies anything to disk and back again. Once you've ghosted it to disk, its browsable under Windoze, and, as long as you don't change ANYTHING using any Windoze utilities, you should be able to Ghost it back to a working drive for your lagacy system. Cheers! Ed San Antonio, Tx, USA -----Original Message----- From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:56 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: making disk images On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Robert F. Schaefer wrote: > Anyone know of an easy to make and restore disk images on peasea hardware? > I've got a few on-topic boxes that I want to use for projects, but I also > don't want to blow away the existing software as some of it is interesting > and hard-to-replace. Bonus points if the image is browsable after moving > but it must be able to restore to an identical state from basically the bare > metal. What I'm thinking of is a NetBSD boot disk with enough software in > the ramdisk to dd an image onto and off of an NFS mount, but before I start > in on it I was wondering if anyone else had a solution. Tom's Root/Boot Disk http://www.toms.net/rb Doc

23 years, 1 month

Looking for a 486 system...

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I'm surprised it didn't occur to me earlier to ask what I'm about to on the list. ;-) Fellow classic'ers, I have a very specific set of old radio service software packages that require running. Since they were written back when the 386 was still in the "Ooooh, Ahhhh!" phase, and discontinued soon after, they won't run reliably (if at all) on anything newer than a 486. Here's what I'd like to find. A small tower-style 486, mini or mid, with PS/2 type ports for keyboard and mouse built in. Speed-wise, it should be in the DX33 or DX2/66 class. It should have switchable "Turbo/Non-Turbo" mode, either from a front-panel switch or from a keypress combination. Finally, it needs to have at least two PCI slots in addition to the usual ISA or EISA. I also have a need to dual-boot such a box into Windows 95 to do some instrument control applications. As you might imagine, finding a system that straddles this odd middle ground is not easy. It is my understanding that both Compaq and Dell made systems that were very close to, if not exactly, what I'm describing. Pentium systems, even the earliest ones, will NOT work in this application. It's gotta be a 486. ALTERNATIVE: If someone can find me a late-issue National Instruments MicroChannel GPIB card, I can put the PS/2 tower I have here into the application, and it should do just fine. Please let me know if you have something that's at least close, and some idea on price or trade. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

23 years, 1 month

pdp-11/35 question...

by mross666＠hotmail.com

I was sure I had an 11/35 somewhere, but I can't find the damn thing anyplace(1)... I may have to build one (I was sure I had one because I have an 11/35 front panel, which I seemed to recall detaching 'for safe keeping'). Can anyone tell me the number of the power supply used in the 10 1/2" 11/35 rackmount box? Seem to recall it ran along the side, like a pdp-8e, not at the end, like an 11/20? Any suggestions on building an 11/35... any other DEC boxes use the same power supply? I've a couple of 11/40 KD11-A backplanes, was thinking vaguely of mounting one, along with the front panel, in some other DEC box... (since 11/35 meets the definition of 'fastest blinkenlights pdp-11 that can be built in a 10 1/2" rackmount chassis'). Cheers Mike http://www.corestore.org (1) being able to 'loose' an 11/35 could well be the definition of 'having too many computers'!!! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

23 years, 1 month

Looking for parts for an HP 9821A desktop calculator

by swperk＠earthlink.net

Hello, I recently acquired an old HP 9821A desktop calculator. It's in good shape cosmetically, but it has apparently had previously donated some of its internal cards to an unknown cause. Specifically, it seems to be missing three of the four CPU cards, and two of the three RAM cards. A quick search of some sources suggests that some or all of the CPU cards are identical to those in the 9810A and possibly the 9830A. I don't know about the RAM cards, though. Obviously, the CPU and RAM cards from a 9820A would be an exact replacement. Any help in getting this classic beast running again will be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Stan

23 years, 1 month

scrappers

by classiccmp.org＠irrelevant.fsnet.co.uk

Just in case anybody is in Manchester, UK, with a little bit more front than me, and wants to investigate, I noticed while visiting a customer nearby today that a scrap metal dealer in the Vaughn Industrial Estate, Gorton, Manchester (100 yards from Ashburys station) was unloading a wagon with pallet after pallet load of what looked like a 14" monitors and Wyse serial terminals. From a quick look into their warehouse, they had various other interesting pallets stacked up..

23 years, 1 month

Help with H8 Parts

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today while at the warehouse I located my H8 and was shocked to find that 4 of the buttons were broken off the entry pad. Can anyone give me a lead on were I can purchase a new or used pad? Also found the Floppy disk system ( 3 FD drives) and the H9 Video Terminal for it.

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