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by zmerch＠30below.com

Awrighty... I have pix on the web now... for those who aren't graphically challenged, here's the directory: http://www.30below.com/~zmerch/6809 and a quick directory listing, with a comment of each: 6809board_1.jpg 10-Mar-2003 22:00 269K - Big pic of entire board 6809board_1_s.jpg 10-Mar-2003 22:04 64K - Same pic as above, but small 6809board_end.jpg 10-Mar-2003 22:04 28K - End pic showing ports & logo 6809board_silkscreen.jpg 10-Mar-2003 22:05 8.0K - Small pic showing silkscreen -- I didn't take a picture of the back - there was nothing of consequence that I could see - no parts or silkscreen... but if anyone needs a pic of it, lemme know. The system this came out of was an AT&T "StarSystem" - a 386 clone w/10Mbit ethernet, VGA & the usual stuff on the mobo... I may spark up the system tomorrow, just to see what kind of schtuff might still be on the HD... Anyway, if anyone's got a clue, I'd be most appreciated! Thanks, Roger "Merch" Merchberger

23 years, 1 month

Please help with Board ID

by zmerch＠30below.com

Just had a bunch of "stuff" dropped off at the store, not the least of which 2 AT&T 3b2/EXP boxen with 5.25" floppies & several RJ-type ports in the back, and we also got a x86-based AT&T box (386, methinks) and in it there is an 8-bit board with the follwing markings: "TIL-XPC" and "TIL SYSTEMS LTD. XPC91 REV 2.0" It's got 4 RJ45 ports (I'm guessing RS-232, from all the 1488's & 1489's...) 4 R6551's, an MC68B54 & an MC68B09EP... Is this just a 4-port serial board with the 6809 playing traffic cop, or is it an "elusive" OS-9 - based SBC? If it's the former, not any great shakes to me (tho I might keep it just in case I need replacement parts for my CoCos...) but if it's the latter... I'll be looking for some software... ;-) Thanks for any help, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers zmerch(a)30below.com What do you do when Life gives you lemons, and you don't *like* lemonade?????????????

23 years, 1 month

Free IBM PC stuff for pickup

by fubar01＠cyberonic.com

Hi folks -- This is probably not the forum for this question, but I don't know where to go with it. I've got lots of earlier IBM PC equipment and software (i286-i486). My storage facility is closing down and I've got to move it or lose it. Where do I post list of this equipment for pickup? It's in Oakland, CA right now. -- Roy Zider 415-956-2413

23 years, 1 month

Some newer old stuff for sale

by vcf＠siconic.com

I'm passing this along. If interested, please contact the original sender. Reply-to: bobbrill(a)migate.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:10:01 -0500 From: Bob Brill <bobbrill(a)migate.net> Subject: A sturdy old computer for sale I've got the following items for sale, all in good working order (with the exception of the keyboard). Compaq 386 (20 Mhz speed, 60 MB hard drive, one 5.25" floppy drive, one 3.5" floppy drive, keyboard, Hercules monochrome video card). Built like a tank. Still works great. The keyboard has a few bad keys, but since it is a standard AT keyboard, it would be easy to replace. Comes with all the original software and manuals, including DOS 3.3, Basic, Hercules utilities and fonts. Samsung monochrome (amber) monitor. (Works well with the Hercules video card.) Iomega external ZIP drive with SCSI card, software and installation instructions. Artist XJS video card with BNC cables, software and manuals. Supports three display resolutions, non-interlaced: 1024 x 768 (16 or 256 colors), 1280 x 1024 (16 colors), 1600 x 1200 (16 colors). The 2 MB of onboard memory can be configured to lie in the address space of the host computer, a very advanced concept for the time. Irwin 400 series tape backup unit with ISA card, manuals, backup software and nine 60 MB tapes. Bob ************************************** * * * See algorithmic imagery at: * * http://users.migate.net/~bobbrill * * * ************************************** -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 1 month

possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> >At 11:00 PM 3/7/03 -0500, you wrote: >>>Damm! Now there's something that you don't see everyday! >> >>I wonder how many are out there in private (non government) hands. >> >>I have seen one, in the D-Day Museum in New Orleans. > > I doubt there are any still in governement hands except perhaps in museums. But stop and think for a moment, every unit of the German army, air force, navy and even railroad police had one during WW II. They must have made tens if not handreds of thousands of these! And that's not including the ones that were probably used by Germany's allies. Hi It is most likely that this is one of the ones that was made after the war. Quite a few of these were made for other governments after the war. You'll note that he never said that this one was used during the war or mentioned a manufacture date. Dwight

23 years, 1 month

6809 Board ID, take 2...

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I used to babysit an AT&T StarServer, a 486 Unix box. It had a board in it (unfortunately I rarely had the oppoutunity to have the box open and don't know what the board was labeled) that served as a multiport serial connection. It could connect to 4 "concentrators" that were flat metal boxes with 16 RJ45 port serial ports that went to dumb terminals. Your card might be similar. The RAM could be for buffering. BTW, the concentrators were very touchy and often failed. They were also static sensitive. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:11 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: 6809 Board ID, take 2... <snip> The system this came out of was an AT&T "StarSystem" - a 386 clone w/10Mbit ethernet, VGA & the usual stuff on the mobo... I may spark up the system tomorrow, just to see what kind of schtuff might still be on the HD... Anyway, if anyone's got a clue, I'd be most appreciated! Thanks, Roger "Merch" Merchberger

23 years, 1 month

Apple II Prometheus Versacard

by d_cymbal＠hotmail.com

Hello All, Can anyone post the dip/jumper settings for this multi-function card? Also, does anyone know if it claims to be Super Serial Card compatible? I'm trying to run ADT over it but not having much success. Thanks. dc

23 years, 1 month

Please help with Board ID

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Sounds like he's run into the baby-sister of Radiant company's proprietary "Power-8" serial card (loosely based on an old Boca design). Its an 8-port powered serial card made to handle 8 RJ45/RS-232 connections, and is driven by a rather bulky (and balky) DefaultX command appliction (similar to a fusion of config.sys and autoexec.bat all rolled into one). It sports a "Basis" CL-PD6729-QC-E and 2 "XP" ST-16C554DC9 chips, as well as a few that aren't quite readable. When it works, its a wonder. When it fails (it always seems to fail one-port-at-a-time...) its a nightmare. (Ever wanna see what happens when the peripheral at the other end of the RS-232 is also powered?? How about ungrounded??) Cheers! Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 6:51 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Please help with Board ID Rumor has it that Tony Duell may have mentioned these words: > I wrote before that... > > "TIL-XPC" and "TIL SYSTEMS LTD. XPC91 REV 2.0" > > > > It's got 4 RJ45 ports (I'm guessing RS-232, from all the 1488's & > > 1489's...) 4 R6551's, an MC68B54 & an MC68B09EP... Is this just a 4-port > > serial board with the 6809 playing traffic cop, or is it an "elusive" OS-9 > > - based SBC? > Anywho, I'll write back when I have pix... Tony - is there any format of pictures you can view, or are you text-only? I have some software that can spit out IFF (Amiga, isn't it?), SUN, SGI & Targa...

23 years, 1 month

possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine

by mranalog＠attbi.com

William Donzelli wrote: > Calling an Enigma a computer is really stretching the definition. They > are incredibly simple machines - the internal circuitry consists of not > much more than a battery, wires, the wheels (fancy rotary switches, > basically), a plugboard, and a bunch of lightbulbs. Simple is as simple does If you need to build a computer the size of a small room to decipher an Enigma then I would not call an Enigma simple. As for computers - the abacus has been used for a thousand years to perform calculations in situations that would make the use of a Pentium 4 either inappropriate or impossible. So what does that have to do with computers? Well it was humans doing mundane calculations that were first granted the title of computer. In order to be PC :) I choose to define a computer simply as "A machine that calculates". Under this defintion I include not only human beings but also the human brain. Of course, compared to the human brain, Pentium computers "are incredibly simple machines - the internal circuitry consists of not much more than a battery, wires,......" Hans Franke wrote: > Well, as far as it goes, a computer needs to be able to: > a) have a stored (changeable) programm > b) execute instructions conditionaly > c) do a loop > sometimes also cited: > d) a way for input/output I would disagree with this even if you would have said digital computer. My definitions are: Computer - A machine that calculates. Digial computer - A computer that performs mathematical operations in a sequential manner on discrete variables. Analog computer - A computer that performs mathematical operations in a parallel manner on continuous variables. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog =========================================

23 years, 1 month

Free Scanning Electron Microscope

by j.r.engdahl＠safeaccess.com

Free scanning electron microscope to whoever wants to come haul it away. It was left by the previous occupant of my lab, and it's blocking the hallway. I want it out of there. There are four main pieces, plus some parts and manuals in boxes. I don't know anything about this, but I will describe it's appearance: - microscope unit - desk high box with precision stainless steel tower, shoulder high - ISI Robinson detector mounted on side - Perkin Elmer gizmo mounted up high - other probes and sample holders sticking out at odd angles - very rocket science - no other name plates visible without moving a lot of stuff - viewing station and analog controls console - name plate: ISI WB-6 - built-in CRT - lots of knobs and buttons - very mission control - Tracor Northern computer - floor standing console a little larger than an ASR-33 - two 5" floppies - card cage inside - Intel 8080 microprocessor - keyboard - no hard drive, don't think it ever had one - separate RGB CRT - a 2' box with lots of wires and tubes coming out of it (vacuum pump?) - a 3~4 gallon tank that looks like it bolts on the side of the tower - a small rack with instrumentation modules in it The date plate on the back of the viewing console says 1985. It was used by our semiconductor quality control department to look at the insides of integrated circuits. Rumor has it that there is a vacuum leak in this somewhere, it probably needs a new gasket. It is already uninstalled and ready to roll away. I found a web page with a picture of a similar unit. Our machine has an very similar viewing console, but we have more stuff mounted on the microscope itself. http://www.optics.arizona.edu/Milster/Labdescriptions/Misc.htm ***NOTE*** This thing has a radiation sign on it (X-rays). Transportation and use is regulated by the Ohio Dept. of Health, Division of Radiology. I understand you need to get a permit to move, own, or operate it. If you are really interested in this, you need to know how to get the required permits. If you are interested I can take some pictures and send them. -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 1 Allen-Bradley Drive Advanced Technology Mayfield Heights, OH 44124 http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl j.r.engdahl(a)adelphia.net

23 years, 1 month

IBM PC bios source available

by melamy＠earthlink.net

Hi all, I don't know if anyone is doing anything with the original PC, but when I had mine I converted it to an XT with a 15meg hard drive. I ended up typing in the PC monitor and modifying it so the bios had a drive entry for the hard drive I had purchased (actually I bought a 10meg and they gave me a 15meg instead). I have a zip file that has both the orginal source and my modified copy if anyone is interested. Just email my privately and I will pass the ZIP on. best regards, Steve Thatcher

23 years, 1 month

6809 Board ID, take 2...

by Innfogra＠aol.com

The only clue I have is that the AT&T StarLAN system used a star topology. I suspect this board is part of a local hub and had a single AT&T PC hooked up to each port. I don't think the AT&T StarLAN system is true Ethernet but someone else will have to speak to that. I do believe the AT&T StarLAN system used RJ45 connectors and was around with 386 systems. Paxton Astoria, OR

23 years, 1 month

Books & stuff that must go now

by jamesl＠bestweb.net

I have a big pile of Computer & related books, plust software, etc that need to be gotten rid of. We're tyring to clear out a house so that we can rent it out, and these items need to be moved out ASAP. All items are currently stored in Westchester County, NY as of 2003/02/28. However, it may be necessary to re-locate them to northeast Putnam county for storage. You will need to pick them up, if you want them. No picking & chosing; get together with some friends and divide them amongst yourselves. Email me at jamesl(a)bestweb.net Master page at: http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/ToGetRidOf.html Computer Books http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/COMP_ComputerBooks.html Non-computer books (but related) http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/COMP_BooksNonComp.html Journals (ACM, IBM) http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/COMP_Journals.html Magazines http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/COMP_magazines.html Others http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/COMP_Other.html Software http://users.bestweb.net/~jamesl/COMP_Software.html

23 years, 1 month

possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by Edward.Tillman＠valero.com

Hmm... Doesn't think this is a computer, eh? Wonder what it *is* then? It calculates, and provides a results of those calculations into some kind of output -- usually on paper. Actually, there's an even older, wooden computer that provided a visual output. What was it? (Is this OT? Both units compute, and are over 10 years old...) Ed Tillman Store Automation Tech Support Specialist Valero Energy Corporation San Antonio, Texas, USA Office: (210)592-3110, Fax (210)592-2048 Email: edward.tillman(a)valero.com <mailto:edward.tillman@valero.com> -----Original Message----- From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:37 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay. Damm! Now there's something that you don't see everyday! Joe At 04:45 PM 3/7/03 -0500, you wrote: >I don't think this is a computer but maybe someone would be interested. > >ENIGMA Cypher machine army model: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2162414185

23 years, 1 month

possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

No, it doesn't qualify as "heavy iron". Dwight >From: "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman(a)jdedwards.com> > >But does it have casters or wheels (outside, not inside)? <GD&R> > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] >Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:18 PM >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: RE: possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay. > ><snip> > >It isn't a general purpose computing machine but it is >clearly a computing machine. >Dwight

23 years, 1 month

possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

But does it have casters or wheels (outside, not inside)? <GD&R> -----Original Message----- From: Dwight K. Elvey [mailto:dwightk.elvey@amd.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:18 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay. <snip> It isn't a general purpose computing machine but it is clearly a computing machine. Dwight

23 years, 1 month

possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "William Donzelli" <aw288(a)osfn.org> > >> I think this one does have the ability to do a loop. >> The rotating wheels constitutes a three level loop. >> In fact, it is hard wired to loop. >> Lets see: >> >> a. Changing wheels and order changes stored program >> b. Hitting different keys causes conditional change of output >> c. Wheels generate nested loops >> d. Keyboard and display form I/O >> >> It looks like it meets your list. > >SSSSTTTTRRREEETTTCCCHHH....... > >I should point out the the four way switch I use to turn on the lights in >my kitchen folllow the basic ideas of the Enigma. Do I live in a a computer? > >William Donzelli >aw288(a)osfn.org > No, it doesn't meet either a or c. It is arguable as to b. I'll give you d. I don't think I stretched on any of the ones I listed. Well, maybe a little on b but the rest are quite clear. It isn't a general purpose computing machine but it is clearly a computing machine. Dwight

23 years, 1 month

possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by cb＠mythtech.net

>There's a fellow here on the east coast that actually let me touch his >enigma. Humm... maybe its best to let this one go :-) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by cb＠mythtech.net

>but then the conditional execution is still missing. Couldn't you consider the result from pressing a button the conditional excution? It is at the simplest form "if button x is pressed then display result y". -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Hi There is a web site that you can locate through the Bletchie (sp?) Park site that has an on line enigma machine. The entire thing can be emulated quickly on most any uP. Dwight >From: "Ron Hudson" <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> > >On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 10:06 PM, Ron Hudson wrote: > >> Well it seems I am from france or somthing... >> >> EBAY wont let me see the auction. > >Even stranger--- I could see this item from a PC laptop >at home, but not from my Safari running Mac iBook. > ><pout> Waaaa! </pout> > >Anyway there are emulations of this beast for windows. > > >> >> >> On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 09:38 PM, Joe wrote: >> >>> At 04:48 PM 3/7/03 -0700, ben franchuk wrote: >>>> Andrew Strouse wrote: >>>>> I don't think this is a computer but maybe someone would be >>>>> interested. >>>>> >>>>> ENIGMA Cypher machine army model: >>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2162414185 >>>> >>>> >>>> But you need a PAIR of them :) >>> >>> Not if you send messages to yourself! >>> >>> Joe :-)

23 years, 1 month

New bounties ($$$)

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: "Bob Lafleur" <bob_lafleur(a)technologist.com> > > There was a program I used for serial port sharing > back around 1986 or so. It was a DOS TSR. You'd run > the "host" TSR on the machine with the port(s) to > share, and the other machines would run client > TSR's. I just looked, and I don't seem to have it, > or anything that seems to jog my memory. > Unfortunately, I don't recall it's name. It's part of DOS 4.0 and up... Interlnk.exe and Intersvr.exe I don't remember exactly how to do it. One of the two programs goes into the config.sys of it's computer, and the other is run from a DOS prompt. I always found Laplink easier for file transfer, though I used this method to share my desktop floppy with my laptop that didn't have one. Regards, Al

23 years, 1 month

ICL OPD/Merlin Tonto

by adrian.vickers＠blue-edged.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Honniball [mailto:coredump@gifford.co.uk] > > It's in an ICL One Per Desk, and of course is capable of > pulse-dialling > only. Have you considered repairing the one you've got? > Actually, it's just occurred to me; it should be capable of tone or pulse dialling - it's set on the dipswitch bank on top of the module. Unless your module is rather older than mine?

23 years, 1 month

Interlnk (was RE: New bounties ($$$) )

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

No, should work with either serial (3-wire or 7-wire null-modem cable) or parallel (bidirectional cable). However, for intersvr /rcopy, if you are using any port other than COM1 on the _destination_ computer, make sure you are _not_ running SHARE on that computer. -----Original Message----- From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:06 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Interlnk (was RE: New bounties ($$$) ) Feldman, Robert wrote: > Correct. > > On the _client_ computer, add the following line to CONFIG.SYS: > > device=c:\dos\interlnk.exe > > (if interlnkexe is in C:\Dos, of course!). > > On the _server_ computer, at the command prompt, type: > > intersvr<cr> > > Intersvr can also pump the needed files to a second computer using: > > intersvr /rcopy<cr> Doesn't that have a restriction of being only with a serial connection? I don't think that works with parallel. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

23 years, 1 month

Power pinouts for Compaq SLT286?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I'm not sure you understood my question. I was asking about pin 4 the power transformer pinout, not the battery. Using the information you provided, though, I opened up my SLT over the weekend and pulled out the power supply unit. Looks like the middle two of the battery contacts are for charging, as the one on the left is ground and the one on the right goes directly to a small fuse. Pinouts on the power supply connector are harder to trace (especially with the limited equipment I have). So, anyway, I put 12V into the contacts in the unit where the battery fits and turned on the switch. The keyboard LEDs went on for a second, then off -- no beeps or other sounds. A little more investigation revealed that the LED Indicator board is missing. It fits in the memory shield and plugs in at the front of the motherboard. From what little it says and shows in the Maintenance and Service Guide pdf (amazingly available on the Compaq web site!), the LED Indicator board just has LEDs, so it shouldn't be too hard to duplicate or work around, but it would be nice to get a scan of both sides of that board (hint hint :) ). Bob -----Original Message----- From: JP Hindin [mailto:jplist@kiwigeek.com] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:11 PM To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: RE: Power pinouts for Compaq SLT286? On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Feldman, Robert wrote: > Thanks, this is a good start. > Question, though: on the brick, is pin 4 positive or negative? They're all +vDC. I charged the batt up, and now 2 & 3 show 12.9v, and 4 shows 13.9v, so there's some tolerances for you. (Nothing you didn't expect, I'm sure) JP > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: JP Hindin [mailto:jplist@kiwigeek.com] > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:19 PM > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Power pinouts for Compaq SLT286? > > <snip> > > The battery, when looking at it towards the connectors: > ---------------------- > | XXXX | > |______________________| > Where X's are contacts, from left to right: > GND, 12.5v, 12.5v, 13.3v > (Batt is Compaq part #130538, Model 2682) > > > I don't know enough about electronics to understand how the power supply > works. The unit has two lights, which I'm guessing are 'On' and 'Charging > Battery'. When the unit is first turned on, the 'On' pulses. > There are Eight pins, not 6: (Piss poor ASCII arrangement on left, my pin > numbering on right) > > X X X 1 2 3 > X X X 4 5 6 > _ _ 7 8 > > If you cross 3 & 6, the 'On' light stays on, presumably the trigger to > tell it to send voltage. > With one probe between the 3&6, and another on 4, I get 18vDC. > <snip> > > JP Hindin

23 years, 1 month

possibly OT: Enigma Cypher machine on e-bay.

by adrian.vickers＠blue-edged.com

> Hi, > > "Adrian Vickers" <adrian.vickers(a)blue-edged.com> said: > > > > Absoulutely. Now, a /real/ rarity would be a 4-rotor U-boat > cipher; of > > which probably only hundreds were made, and most will be > quitely rusting > > & rotting at the bottom of the ocean... > > We have a salvaged U-Boat here on Merseyside, not far from Adrian's > famous shed. I wonder what happened to the Enigma machine?? Good point; although as that Boat was sunk, I suspect the enigma was destroyed either by the crew, or by spending 40-odd years under water. I've heard that they're going to preserve it as-is (i.e. in it's rusty wrecked state), which I think is a shame; it'd be interesting to see it restored IMHO. One of these days, I really must get around to visiting the historic ships...

23 years, 1 month

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