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by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Adrian Vickers" <avickers(a)solutionengineers.com> ---snip--- > >>This is like a >>sealed bid auction because the auction ends at a specified time and the >>winners will be those that place last second bids (i.e. not seen by >>others). > >Absolute bullshit. A sealed bid auction does not allow you to bid more than >once, nor do you know if your bid has been exceeded. Nor is there any >advantage/disadvantage in bidding early or late, as no-one knows what the >bids are until the auction finishes. Hi After all the items I've bid on, I'd bid the same amount on a sealed bid as I'd snipe with. I've learned to look at an item and determine what I'll bid. I've learned to not change that amount, regardless of how the auction goes. Why should one let emotion rule their bid? If the item goes above my amount, I only watch the auction for interest. I've learned to never reassess my bid. I've found that after losing many bids, I'd rather lose to a sniped bid than to someone that pennies me up in open bidding. I realized that that person either doesn't know what he wants to pay or he may even be a shill bidder. It is the wrong place for either. Dwight

23 years

Supply and Demand (Was RE: Getting long; Was Re: eBay being sued. ..)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

While it is true that the ultimate numbers of an item are fixed, in this situation, it can be argued that the supply is not constant, since many the closeted items would likely have gone out in the Spring Cleaning trash. As long as there are only 3 of X for sale, then the demand will be high. The higher demand saves and brings out more items, the supply goes up, and the price (eventually, depending in part on the rate at which new supply appears) will go down. -----Original Message----- From: steve [mailto:gkicomputers@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:13 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Getting long; Was Re: eBay being sued over patent infringement <snip> People are digging stuff out of their closets that would of never been available for sale before, or available to only a very limited number of people. Many collectible items that were considered very rare before ebay, are now just considered common place, and prices have dropped greatly even though the actual supply has been constant. <snip>

23 years

eBay sniping

by mail.list＠analog-and-digital-solutions.com

Hello Mike, > But with sniping, people often bid a little higher just to protect their bid. That might be the case some of the time, but with extensions, a bidder has the opportunity to re-evaluate their decision, and go higher if they want to. With the snipe, you calculate what you think might do it, enter the bid, and then see how it ends ( for the seasoned bidder anyway ). > "I guess I got stuck. I was just trying to protect my bid." That "protecting the bid" strategy can backfire on the bidder just as you saw. > The people that whine the most about sniping, NEVER win auctions I hope you don't interpret my discussion as whining about sniping. I always snipe and usually win whenever I really want to. > The people that whine the most about sniping, NEVER win auctions, ... > they just NEVER bid high enough and would lose anyway. You're generally right. Most buyers that might whine about sniping are just expressing their disappointment that they couldn't buy the item as inexpensively as they had wished to. But from the sellers perspective, the exact ending time and the sniping would sometimes prevent their from being able to reach their best potential selling price. At 08:12 AM 4/24/03 -0700, you wrote: > > > a much preferred model for me. It is where the sale is extended by a > > minute or two > > > when each bid comes in at the end of the auction. > > > >This hurts the seller and should make no difference to the bidder. > >NO ONE should ever bid more than they are willing to pay. But with >sniping, people often bid a little higher just to protect their bid. If >there is an extention bids will still not rise higher than anyone is >willing to bid. > >I have seen auctions go for $400 on items that normally wouldn't sell for >$300. One bidder contacted me because two people bid that $400 and he >said, "I guess I got stuck. I was just trying to protect my bid." He >paid the auction but clearly bid more than he ever expected or wanted to >pay. > >The people that whine the most about sniping, NEVER win auctions, unless >they are the first to see a "low" buy-it-now, on popular items. They just >NEVER bid high enough and would lose anyway.

23 years

Two new Apple toys

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Starting it up is a bit of a problem, as I just have the system box -- no monitor or software, and I shipped the RAM expansion card to TeoZ. -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser [mailto:spectre@floodgap.com] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:26 AM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Two new Apple toys > Not knowing much about Apples, how can I tell which ROM is on a IIgs > motherboard? I have one that I pulled from the trash, and don't need. I don't know the numbers. It's easiest to fire it up and see what it says on the bootup banner (a ROM 00 says nothing, ROM 01 and 03 both announce themselves). -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Two wrongs don't make a right, but they do make a great TV movie. ----------

23 years

Two new Apple toys

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Starting it up is a bit of a problem, as I just have the system box -- no >monitor or software, and I shipped the RAM expansion card to TeoZ. You should still be able to boot it. There is a composite RCA output on the back. That will plug into anything that takes composite video (TV, VCR, game/tv adaptor box, whatever). It also uses a standard PC power cord. Plug those two things in, flip the switch, and you should get to the BIOS boot screen that will tell you the rom version. You won't get much further without software, drives, keyboard and anything else you might want to use... but at least you should get as far as knowing the ROM version. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years

Two new Apple toys

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Not knowing much about Apples, how can I tell which ROM is on a IIgs motherboard? I have one that I pulled from the trash, and don't need. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:18 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Two new Apple toys > > These would also work in a IIgs wouldn't they? > > Probably, but you don't need one for a ROM 03 IIgs -- they have built-in > boot-over-LocalTalk support. I wish I had a ROM 03 IIgs, but then I also wish I had room to have my IIe and IIgs setup. Unfortunatly all my Apple II stuff is in storage. :^( Zane

23 years

Source of Vintage CPUs: Vintage Burglar Alarms

by patrick＠evocative.com

Over the weekend I dissected two commercial alarm panels people had saved for me. While I was grateful for the thought, I didn't give my donors much credit for being discriminating. Boy was I wrong. When I opened the first panel, the board inside had a 6805 sitting smack in the middle of it. It also yielded a 2716, a 2764, a 6821, and a pair of 6116 static RAMs, along with numerous other Motorola-branded support chips and passives. I thought that was a pretty cool find, especially considering my short-sighted view of its potential. Panel #2, however, seems to have been the real gem. The large board within didn't look that interesting, just the usual myriad passives, and the panel was clearly very old (looked 20 years or more). It had a daughter board about six inches square and fully enclosed in shielding, hiding its contents. I removed the board, stripped it of its shielding, and found... an RCA CDP1806, two 1852s, an RCA-branded 6116, and three other support chips. The label on the 27128 EPROM on the board says "(C) 1984". Simple stuff, but I was jazzed. Classic computers are everywhere... --Patrick

23 years

286 Computers

by roger161uk＠yahoo.co.uk

Dear List, What is the concensus on disposal of 286 and 386sx hardware -- should they be consigned to the bin, or are there any folks out there collecting them? (or needing spares?). One is a Schneider 286 Tower PC (10Mhz), and the other is a Philips P3345 (16Mhz). Personally, I do not view either as being particularly noteworth (other than, perhaps, for sentimental reasons) .. but seems such a shame to turn them into landfill :-) Best regards, Roger For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer

23 years

Books & stuff sale plus need info SD Systems

by Cess120＠aol.com

I may have the info that you need on the SD boards. Larry

23 years

VAX 11/750 available in TX (?)

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, I was looking at a vendor site and it looks like they are offering an DEC 11/750 for $158.76. It's not quite clear, but since I don't have room for one I cannot simply order it. If you want it for the price, you can go on their web site to just order it and then call and ask them that you want to pick it up, that way you can find out what really they offer here and if it's not a real 11/750 system you can jump off (but if it is, you have a pretty good price.) regards, -Gunther

23 years

Two new Apple toys

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

New toys: Apple II Mouse Interface (I have one somewhere in a box that I haven't seen in years, so it was faster to buy another one ;-) Apple II Network Workstation Card (2). I've done some Googling, and it appears that I may not be able to use these in any Apple II I currently have (they seem to require an enhanced IIe). Ultimately, I'd like to lay hands on the Mac server software (3.x?) that will let me boot an Apple II over Localtalk and treat the Mac as a remote disk drive. -ethan The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

23 years

Books & stuff sale plus need info SD Systems

by rborsuk＠colourfull.com

Hi All, Digging in the closet again. I have a collection of magazines and books for sale. Please write to me off list about the following. Paypal , money order, etc accepted. If your in michigan you can pick up. Naturally it will be cost plus shipping (actual). Kilobaud microcomputing ($1.00 per issue or will trade for issues #1-#27 of Kilobaud) July 1979 (#31) Sept 1979 (#33) Jan 1980 - March 1980 (#37-#39) June 1980 - Sept 1980 (#42- #45) Nov 1980 (#47) Okay how about the following books at $2.00 each How to build your own working robot pet - Dacosta 1979 (excellent book 8085 based) Engineering Electromagnetics - Hayt 1981 Communication Systems - An introduction to Signals and Noise in Electrical Communication- Carlson 1986 Electronic Circuit Analysis & Design - Hayt 1984 Computer Oriented Circuit Design - Kuo 1969 Computer-aided integrated circuit design - Herskowitz 1968 How about something completely different. Does anyone have documentation for the following: (all S-100 boards) SD Systems SBC-200 SD Systems Expandoram III Solid State Music ADL-1 SD Systems Versafloppy II Thanks again. Rob ps. Still no luck on the Teletype Model 32 documentation. I started going through the model 33 stuff. It's close BUT still not it. I think as I work on this project I'm going to take pictures and document what I do. I'll post it on my web site to help other Model 32 users. Robert Borsuk - rborsuk(a)colourfull.com President Colourfull Creations http://www.colourfull.com

23 years

Tonights pickings,

by kenziem＠sympatico.ca

Well today's been interesting. There was snow on the ground this morning. At a Lotusshpere today I won a pair of tickets to the hockey game this Friday. And I just returned with an Arix 800, (quite large, hard drives have been pulled but the tape drive and cards are there), a Wyse 60 terminal, a box of unisys docs for u5000, a tape with PDN-5000, and windows 286 in the plastic wrap, a scanner new in box, and two clones that are missing the drives but still have the cpu's and ram. I was also offered a very old telephone switchboard this past weekend.

23 years

Two new Apple toys

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Also on a related note, where the heck can you find a scsi card for a IIgs > that doesnt cost $50+? You might try dropping these folks a line, and see if they still have any. http://members.aol.com/webescsi/scsi/cie.html It's been a few years since I got one from them, but I only payed $30 for one, IIRC. Zane

23 years

Kaypro Software-Micro Cornucopia Disks

by jforbes2＠mindspring.com

When I got several Kaypro II etc. machines several years ago at the thrift store, I also found a bunch of related floppy disks. Several of them are apparently copies of disks from Micro Cornucopia at Bend, Oregon (a mid 80s magazine?). They appear to have lots of useful software, I think public domain...assemblers, utilities, etc. I finally got round to getting 22disk running on an XT, and I've been reading these old floppies, and copying the contents to the hard drive on my main computer. No read errors yet, and I've done a dozen! amazing.... Is there any interest in this stuff, such as on a CP/M archive server somewhere? I should be able to zip it up and email or ftp it somewhere. I don't have room on my home page (url below). Here's a sample of what's in them, from part of the .doc file for one of the disks: ============================================= KAYPRO USER'S DISK #10-------Assembly Language Disk Micro Cornucopia PO BOX 223 Bend OR 97709 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- CROWECPM.COM CROWECPM.DOC CROWECPM.Z80 This program is for all of you that wanted a Z80 assembler without spending hundreds of dollars for it. We modified the CROWE assembler so that it would work under any CP/M system. CROWECPM accepts standard Zilog mnemonics and creates a .HEX and .PRN files. The .HEX file is in Intel format and can be used to create a .COM file with the CP/M LOAD.COM. A symbol table is listed at the end of the .PRN file. It is a good assembler and the source code is included if any one would like to make it even better. See CROWECPM.DOC for information on using the CROWECPM assembler. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- LASM.COM LASM.DOC This is another assembler. It is a rewrite of the standard CP/M ASM assembler. The difference is that this version can link assembly language programs together at assembly time. This version also runs faster the ASM.COM. This could be a the begininning of a linker for our Small C+. See LASM.DOC for details. ======================================================= Neat stuff, obviously. -- Jim Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum! http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2

23 years

Turns down $443 for Win1.1

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I'm glad you can still get it from the thrifts for under $3, used not new > like this one. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3602578486 You know, I really should put my copy up on eBay, the shrinkwrap and box aren't as perfect as that, but I could sure use the cash for some software upgrades for my Mac! Zane

23 years

Odessey 1 (was Re: Fw: Game console up to $200)

by cb＠mythtech.net

>Magnavox didn't test market in that way, since there was no market to test >in. The Odyssey, being the first video game console, was sold alongside >every other Magnavox product just like any other television accessory >(which is what it was considered by many at the time, and why many people >wound up mistakingly thinking it would only work on Magnavox television >sets). Makes sense, but that doesn't preclude my theory from being correct. (see below) >My guess is your parent's could have gotten a used model, or you just >don't remember everything that actually came with it because you were so >young and it was so long ago. Nope, it might very well have been a test product. My father owns a market research company, and in the past Magnavox has been one of our clients. There is a good chance that it was obtained directly from Magnavox for the purpose of a focus group to discuss it and get opinions on it. Knowing that people thought it was only for Magnavox TVs just makes me believe this even more, as it would have been ripe for a focus group to try to figure out how to alter public perception. I also have 2 (3?) Atari 2600's that were never purchased, but instead left behind after studies and focus groups were done with them. I was supposed to have a Coleco Adam from the same way, but Coleco opted to take it back (which just made me want my friend's even more, which he shipped off to the Philipeans after telling me I could have it... so I think I am destined to never own an Adam). I tried to get a TurboExpress (the Turbo Graphix 16 portable unit). But at the time that I was playing with one when we were doing groups on them, it was one of 3 in the US >from Japan (the other two of them NEC execs were busy playing with in the same room) I had more toys growing up than I new what to do with... all because they would be left behind after studies, a practice that most companies seem to have stopped. Unfortantly, I didn't know the gold mine I was sitting on, so many of the items were broken and/or disposed of (much like how I cry when I see what Star Wars action figures go for today, and I think about how many I blew up with firecrackers in my back yard). Of course, NONE of this means that is how I got my Odessey for sure. It is just my suspicion based on what my parents were willing to buy. If it was remotely interesting or expensive, they wouldn't buy it. So all the best toys came from study leftovers. Since I remember the Odessey as being fun, and I'm sure it wasn't cheap, I have to assume we did a job on it and Magnavox left it behind. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years

asr Teletype in the ASIS section at WeirdStuff

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

I saw it there the last 2 or 3 times I went. (I don't work for Weird stuff, but I shop there a lot!) I had wanted one of these until I owned a machine with a floppy disk....

23 years

Radio Shack/Science Fair bonus

by cb＠mythtech.net

>I'm curious if there's a repository of ancient Radio Shack kit >manuals out there - I did not get a manual for the 10-in-1 >(cat no. 28-225), but at least I got its box (covered in packing >tape, grrr.) Did you check Radio Shack's web site? They have hundreds of their manuals online in PDF format, many going back quite a long time. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years

Sharp PC-7100 in the UK

by guru.communications＠virgin.net

.. doesn't have the same ring as 'Anarchy in the UK', but never mind :) I'm new to the group, but the FAQ says it's OK to advertise a bit so here goes: Emigration means getting rid of stuff I can't afford to take, and this includes a Sharp PC-7100. Includes cables butno documentation. Anyone who'd like it contact me at oldcmp(a)gurucomms.co.uk regards Dave

23 years

want to datasheet AM9515a-1PC

by kaii_01＠hotmail.com

Hi Emanuel I want to datasheet am9515a-1pc >from pdf file my email. amornsukp(a)yahoo.com I hope you conducted to me. Thanks to the fueture. Andy

23 years

Microvax 3100 Model 38 wanted

by Innfogra＠aol.com

One of my dealer contacts is looking for MV 3100 Model 38s. They are offering to pay cash. Reply to them, not me, please. This is their second request. I think these things are over 10 years old. Paxton Astoria, OR WE NEED TO BUY: MICROVAX 3100 MODEL 38 OR SYSTEM DV-31JCC-XX (46-ZMC-A9) SYSTEM BOX BA42B LICENSE QL-005AP-62 CPU KA58 (54-24695-02) CALL US TODAY !!! WE HAVE ORDERS - - WILL PAY TOP $ Call, fax or E-mail us today! 246 Commerce Drive, Rochester, NY 14623 www.computerclearinghouse.com Call Now: (585) 334-0550 Fax: (585) 334-2244 E-mail: hardware(a)computerclearinghouse.com

23 years

Turns down $443 for Win1.1

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

I'm glad you can still get it from the thrifts for under $3, used not new like this one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3602578486

23 years

Apple II mouse (was Re: Two new Apple toys)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> --- "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> wrote: > > Would you believe I actually got a IIgs with one of these in it, and the > > mouse? > > The IIgs has ADB ports, yes? Why would you want an old mouse card > then? I have a theory about this. Was the ADB mouse an additional purchase? My guess is that whoever put it in there had the card and mouse from an old system and rather than spending the money on an ADB mouse, put it into the IIgs. Either that or they had software which required it. Zane

23 years

Teletype Model 32

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

Check for the 33 stuff on: http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8cgi/query_docs/query.pl?Search=teletype&stype=Parti… rd&fields=id%2Ctitle%2Cdate&debug=0&table=pdp8docs&orderby=sort%2Ctitle I'm sure you'll have to paste it back together. Dwight >To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > >> Hi All, >> I received a beautiful Teletype model 32 in today. Unfortunately I >> wish it ran as good as it looks. It only prints one character no >> matter what key you press and it won't return from the right hand side. >> Does anyone have the Technical manual for this beast or know where I >> can get it from? > >The Model 32 is the 5-level (baudot) version of the Model 33. I believe >that many of the mechanisms are similar, and that the Model 33 manuals >(which are on the web somewhere I think) might be of some use. In fact at >least one of my Model 33 manuals (maybe the parts catalogue) covers the >Model 32 as well. > >-tony

23 years

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