> I think I am interested in these CDs. I have a few questions though. I
> apologize in advance for any "newbie" questions. Can I use these CDs with
> E-11 or simh? Also how many different CDs are you creating? (If you order 3
> are they all the same?) Also, can you paypal? (I would be willing to add a
> service charge if you can.) Thanks for any answers you can provide.
I'm not sure about E11, but with SIMH, you should be able to 'dd' them to a
disk image, and access the RT-11 formated portion of the RT-11 CD from RT-11
and the ODS-1 formated RSX-11M/M+ CD from RSX-11M/M+.
I got copies of these when Tim first put them together, and I was able to
read both the RT-11 formated and ODS-1 formated one on my PDP-11/73 (under
the appropriate OS's).
Zane
For anyone interested I have a few telephone line simulators for sale
or trade....
-Mike
>I do see that there are multitudinous hits on 'Telephone Line
>Simulator' on Yahoo. You could connect two machines in your
>home without a real phonecall.
>
>John A.
Hi,
I've had a couple of request for pictures of the video phones. I
snapped a quick one. Take a look at:
http://idisk.mac.com/colourfull_creations/Public/ads/video.jpg
They work over a standard phone line. The have a built in address book
that you program on the screen. Pretty cool for 1986. Oh, the exact
model # is VM-100
Rob
Robert Borsuk - rborsuk(a)colourfull.com
President
Colourfull Creations
http://www.colourfull.com
>I tried installing a driver package from Farallon (for
>Ethernet Comm Slot LC? I know this isn't an LC but it was the only
>thing I could find that was even close to sounding like the right
>thing).
>Anyone have any ideas? I wrote down some cryptic info off the card
>itself, nothing obvious to me about the manufacturer or model
>("SONIC-T"..."BD-059 Rev A"...?)
You've got the wrong drivers.
Sonic cards need their own driver, and don't work with the Apple drivers.
Obviously, Farallon drivers aren't going to work either.
try this download
ftp://ftp.sonicwall.com/pub/software/Unsupported/Ethernet/Ethernet_7.8.imag
e.sea.hqx
Also, uninstall or disable the Farallon drivers. The Sonic will also
install as "Alternate Ethernet" which will probably cause issues with the
Farallon Drivers (you can disable the Apple Drivers too if you want since
they won't be used either).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
With all this talk of sniping and auctions, I have some more eclectic stuff
available for best offer or trade. I prefer Paypal.
item 1.
I have a bunch (30?) of unused ACTEL PLCC FPGA ICs:
A1010A-PLC86C
A1020A-PLC86C
A1280A-PQ160C
I have the data book on these too.
item 2.
Hewlett-Packard, HP-15C owner handbook, excellent shape
item 3.
EV80C196CA evaluation board from the Dearborn Group Inc, with manual.
Please contact me directly,
Thanks for your time
Norm
Ok, I guess it's time to begin the launch of the Vintage Computer Festival
Marketplace.
This has been in the works between Patrick Rigney and I for several weeks
now, and it's just about ready for prime time. However, there is still
some tweaking and debugging, and we'll want to enlist the help of 5-10
alpha/beta testers.
But first, let me explain some of the features of the VCF Marketplace
that, we believe, makes it a preferred venue to buy/sell/trade vintage
computers.
The site is based on the premise that we are all one community, and that
we generally all want to trade old computers for hobby or business
purposes. Some of us may want to make money. Others may just be
interested in trading some of their good stuff for someone else's good
stuff. Some may just want to give stuff away. Whatever the motive,
our service caters to everyone.
The basic services offered include:
- Buy (search for what you want and buy/bid)
- Sell (list your items)
- Trade (ads can be posted as "for trade" or even "for sale or trade")
- Request ("I'm looking for <?>")
We also feature:
- Discussion boards
- A more sensible feedback/rating system
We will in the future feature:
- Inventory management (keep your own personal collection inventory
complete with descriptions, serial numbers, photos, etc., and use the
pre-entered data to sell/trade off items as you like)
- Store fronts (use the inventory manager to input all your items for
sale, then have people "enter" your store and shop around)
The most important feature (from a buyer perspective) is searching. Our
service has a search capability well beyond what eBay offers. I think
everyone pretty much knows that putting a search term in eBay does not
always guarantee you'll get what you want. In a lot of cases you have to
wade through dozens, sometimes hundreds or even thousands of (irrelevant)
results.
We solve this in two ways. First, our service is targeted to the vintage
computer enthusiast, so only items that are or are related to vintage
computers will be listed. Second, we allow you to search by type, make,
model and keyword. There are other search criteria that can be added to
further refine your search (e.g. condition, keywords, etc.) The results
will always be relevant to what you are looking for. And in case you're
wondering, yes, there is a free-form entry in case the make or model is
not in our database. When anything free-form is entered, we'll research
it and add it to our permanent database.
We also offer convenient and useful features such as the ability to save a
search and e-mail notification. You can save a search and reference it
whenever you want (so you don't have to keep entering in search terms over
and over). You can also have the service notify you when something new
comes up in your search criteria. You can even be notified the instant a
new item gets listed that meets your criteria (but it costs...more on this
later).
Our navigation system is also laid out in a format that we feel is more
organized and logical than other auction sites. The information is
presented in a much more orderly and readable fashion. You will not
experience the gawdiness of some eBay auctions. Clean, uniform listings
is what you'll get.
Listing an item is easy and more structured. If you're selling, you first
decide how you want to sell it. Is it a sale or an auction? If it's a
sale, you can put in the amount you want, or solicit a best offer by a
certain date, or you can use the Max Eskin method (1.x * cost of shipping
where x = some factor) if you're really just interested in giving it away.
You can also specify a trade value, i.e. if you're listing a Sol-20, you
can specify a dollar amount or "Trade for IMSAI 8080".
If it's an auction, you decide what type of auction. You can have the
(by now) traditional timed-auction (highest bid by a fixed time/date),
timed-auction plus automatic extensions (to thwart sniping), sealed bid
(basically the same thing as the best-offer-by-date sale), etc.
For describing the item, we have a more powerful entry form. You have
the choice of either listing an item in the traditional fashion (i.e. one
description of a complete system), or you can list each item individually
in a collective lot. So for instance, for a complete computer system,
you first start with the general lot description, then you can
individually enter the computer (you select its make and model, then
enter pertinent information such as it's physical and operating
condition) and then the display or terminal (same information) and then
perhaps a peripheral of some sort (same info), and you can attach a photo
to each.
This helps you organize your listing and makes it easier for others to
find your items. Of course, if you don't want to take the time to list
the item in that manner (it really doesn't take much more time than a
general overall description) you can, but it will be harder for people to
find your items.
Anyway, for buyers, you can browse the items that are listed in the
database for sale/auction/trade/whatever by transaction type, or item
type, or some combination thereof.
For instance, say you want to peruse all S-100 adaptor boards. You can
select "Adaptor Boards", "S-100" (or "ISA" or "PCI" or "Apple ][", etc.).
You can then further specify you want to only see boards manufactured by
"MITS", or "IMSAI", or "IMSAI" and "MITS", or any combination. Hit the
submit button and you now have exactly what you are looking for. The
listing shows all the items of the type you specified and at a glance
shows you what type of listing it is (sale, trade, auction, freebie, etc.)
Here's the best part: the site will be free to use for most people. As a
buyer/browser, you of course pay nothing (unless you want to utilize the
advance search features, discussed below). As a seller, once you
establish an account, you can list up to 5 items every month free of
charge. Once you go over the 5 item limit, you pay a flat fee of $20 for
the month to list up to 15 more items. After that, you pay a flat fee of
$50 a month to list an unlimited number of items. Also, you don't pay a
sales commission. You just pay the flat listing fee.
For buyers, you have access to all the advance search features. However,
if you want the privelege of instant notification (you want to know the
very moment someone lists an Altair for free) you'll have to pay a flat
fee per month for that (a small fee per notification; yes you'll have to
set-up an account to do this, and yes you'll have to, in effect, buy
credits).
Our service will be international in scope. We recognize the world-wide
nature of computer collecting. In a next phase, we will implement
multiple currencies and multiple languages. To start, however, everything
will be in English and the Almighty Dollar.
As mentioned, we are ready to begin some testing. We want to list the aid
of 5-10 volunteer testers. You will be rewarded with free use of the paid
features of the site for your help. If you're interested, please contact
me directly at <sellam(a)vintage.org>.
If all goes well, we hope to open the site up in a beta mode in about 2-4
weeks. We'll then go into full live mode. We will be actively
advertising the site to raise its profile among the community and make
sure that it always has an abundance of listings so that it doesn't just
become an also-ran.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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In cctalk digest, Vol 1 #569,
Mail List <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com> wrote:
> > Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote:
> > MS was charged with exerting undue influence - active coercion - on
> > their customers, using that market share as leverage.
>
> No one ever had to buy Microsoft products. They always could have
> gone with the Macintosh platform, or a Unix system.
This is your personal opinion and I respect it. It does not, however,
change the *fact* that Micro$oft was found guilty of breaking the
anti-trust law. No logical argument can dispute that, since it is a
fact; Micro$oft exhausted the appeal process, so unless the law is
changed, or Micro$oft is pardoned, they remain guilty. Maybe the
anti-trust laws are wrong, or unfair, however Micro$oft is now legally
considered to have been a monopoly and to have leveraged their status
to gain unfair advantage over their competitors.
**vp
Hi folks,
I've got a friend with a Macintosh Performa 6200CD, and we can't get
the network card to function. We've upgraded to OS 9.1 (though we may
back it down to 8.5/8.6, it's really really slow now) and when that
didn't work, I tried installing a driver package from Farallon (for
Ethernet Comm Slot LC? I know this isn't an LC but it was the only
thing I could find that was even close to sounding like the right
thing). The end result of that was, in the TCP/IP control panel, there
are options for "Ethernet slot 1" and "Alternate Ethernet" but neither
one accepts an IP address (when we select DHCP, on a known-good DHCP
network, it thinks for a few seconds and then says "no valid network
address available" or something, and AppleTalk refuses to switch to
that interface, and a manually-assigned, known-valid IP also fails).
When I hit the Info button in that same control panel, it says Hardware
Address Not Available. That seems bad. If it recognizes the card at
all, it ought to see the "hardware" (MAC) address in any situation,
right?
There is a green LED lit up on the card itself, and the LED on the hub
lights up too...we tried re-seating the card, no change...tried
reinstalling OS 9.1...tried disabling the "Apple Built-in Ethernet"
extension...no dice.
Anyone have any ideas? I wrote down some cryptic info off the card
itself, nothing obvious to me about the manufacturer or model
("SONIC-T"..."BD-059 Rev A"...?)
Thanks in advance,
-- MB
In a message dated 4/25/2003 10:38:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mbates(a)whoopis.com writes:
>
> I've got a friend with a Macintosh Performa 6200CD, and we can't get
> the network card to function. We've upgraded to OS 9.1 (though we may
> back it down to 8.5/8.6, it's really really slow now) and when that
> didn't work, I tried installing a driver package from Farallon (for
> Ethernet Comm Slot LC? I know this isn't an LC but it was the only
>
One problem I had with an Asante NIC was that it would not work if connected
to my 10/100 router. If I plugged it into a 10mb hub and then chained that to
the router, it would work.
--
Antique Computer Virtual Museum
www.nothingtodo.org
> Full-height racks rock.
Not if you bolt them down properly.
Lee
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Ugh. Sorry to ask this here, but I know many of you will know the answer.
I'm looking for a 15 pin High Density, PC Mount, D-Sub, Right Angle,
Female socket. In other words, I have a VGA socket that I need to replace
on a board.
I'm have a surprisingly difficult time tracking one down. I can find 9
and 25 pin all I want, I can even find 15 pin, but not in the high
density format (just the regular 2 rows like used in ethernet AUI or Mac
RGB connectors).
Anyone know of a place to get one.
On the same thought, who do people recommend as a source for parts like
this. I used to use MCM Electronics, but they seem to be moving more
towards the flashy side of things and are carrying less and less variety
of small parts.
This would normally probably be on topic, but its for a repair of
non-classic item, so its slightly off topic.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
>>Specified end time with extended provision. You don't have any such
>>"NORMAL" auction like this.
>
> Of course you do. "Normal" auctions are held on a specific day, which in
> real-world terms is much the same thing as an eBay end time. Hell, you
> even
> have "buy-it-now" (sold prior, in a normal auction format), withdrawn &
> changed lots.
At best, that is a stretch. A specified end time, is just what it means.
eBay is exactly what a sealed bid auction is. A "normal" auction can
theoretically go for days. An ebay auction ends at X:YY period.
Those that bid early are just people that make a bid and announce what
they bid. But those that place their sealed bids at the end are unknown
until the end of the auction. Any auction, where there is any real
interest, is ALMOST NEVER won by an early bid; making them essentially
non-bids.
>>This is like a
>>sealed bid auction because the auction ends at a specified time and the
>>winners will be those that place last second bids (i.e. not seen by
>>others).
>
> Absolute bullshit. A sealed bid auction does not allow you to bid more
> than
> once, nor do you know if your bid has been exceeded. Nor is there any
> advantage/disadvantage in bidding early or late, as no-one knows what the
> bids are until the auction finishes.
Sure they do. Maybe some don't but many sealed bid auctions allow you to
get your bid back and make a change. Until the end of the auction, you
can do as you like.
The auction you propose is:
1) one with a fixed end time that is published
2) has an extension period for x amount of minutes.
There exists NO such auction in the real world. Only in your imagination
for a format that you think will give you a better chance of winning. But
the bottom line is, you don't win, unless you have the high bid. That is
what ebay does; that is what any real world auction does.
What you want is one that you can change your mind, essentially, after the
auction should have ended.
You want an auction where they auctioneer says, "Sold!" and you stand up
and say, "I was sleeping. Give me one more minute."
>From: Mike <ipscone(a)msdsite.com>
>
>> > a much preferred model for me. It is where the sale is extended by a
>> minute or two
>> > when each bid comes in at the end of the auction.
>>
>
>This hurts the seller and should make no difference to the bidder.
>
>NO ONE should ever bid more than they are willing to pay. But with
>sniping, people often bid a little higher just to protect their bid. If
>there is an extention bids will still not rise higher than anyone is
>willing to bid.
>
>I have seen auctions go for $400 on items that normally wouldn't sell for
>$300. One bidder contacted me because two people bid that $400 and he
>said, "I guess I got stuck. I was just trying to protect my bid." He
>paid the auction but clearly bid more than he ever expected or wanted to
>pay.
>
>The people that whine the most about sniping, NEVER win auctions, unless
>they are the first to see a "low" buy-it-now, on popular items. They just
>NEVER bid high enough and would lose anyway.
>
Hi
I'd once sniped a bid with a value of $145 for an item I wanted.
Knowing the current going rate for the item, $120 was about the
highest I'd seen. The winning bid, also a last minute bid, went
for something over my highest. A couple of days latter, I got
a note from the seller. The asked if I was still interested.
They didn't specify a price so I told them that I thought
a fair price would be 1/2 between the my high price and the
next lowest below me( it was $90 ). They said that I should
pay the full $145. I told them that that was a proxy bid that
wouldn't have been exposed if the other bidder hadn't backed
out and that if I'd won the bid at that price, I'd have
honored it but since I didn't, I was not obligated to pay
that amount and that it was inappropriate for them to demand
that I did, considering that it was not a completed auction.
They claimed that I was wrong and that I was obligated to pay
my high bid.
Anyway, later, I found that the same buyer had purchased
a number of different items from this seller. What was strange
was the variety of the types of items they bought. To be
honest, it really looked like it was a shill bid. Now I tell
sellers that I will only purchase through eBay and not
after bidding when the other seller backs out.
There is more to the story but this gives you the idea.
Dwight
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At 04:20 AM 4/25/03 +0100, you wrote:
> > It's very professional looking. My compliments.
>
> >>http://www.lordandlady.net
> >>it's sci-fi, Fantasy ,Ren/Mediaeval and goth stuff
>
>Shame about the 'Protected area'
>
>(Anyone who wants to know how to bypass anoyances like
>this mail me off list)
>
>Lee.
>
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Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> They are a box with a passive ISA back plane and a pair of ISA cards
> that are connected with a single round cable about as big around as
> your thumb. The box itself is styled like an XT (down to the sloping
> front).
The original poster was describing an intended use for these to enable
use of a speech-synthesis card on what I'm guessing is a more modern
PC with a sound card, as a backup for when the sound card or its
drivers fail. I guess what I'm wondering is, how is this supposed to
work with shiny new PCs that have no ISA slots, and is that what the
poster is really after? Probably completely off topic though.
As long as I'm off the rails, some other ramblings:
A blind former ex-cow-orker used to use Artic speech synthesizers to
work her computers. I remember her having both an ISA card and an
external box about the size of a paperback book (maybe a bit thinner
and longer) which attached to the PC via a serial port, and later
another smaller Artic external box (about half the size of the older
one). These were something of a nuisance due to copy protection -- it
wasn't enough to require the speech synthesizer hardware, the Artic
software was keyed to the specific speech synthesizer.
Later (I'm thinking 1997 or 1998) she switched to using a software
package called JAWS from Henter-Joyce. This could either use the
Artic synthesizer or the Windows audio drivers (she was running NT 4.0
on her notebook PC). She liked the voice of the Artic box (because
she'd been using it for years and had got used to it), but rapidly got
used to the software speech-synthesizer code because it meant one or
two less things to have to carry around.
JAWS was also copy protected, with a key diskette that allowed some
small number of installations to hard disks -- you could also
de-install and increment the counter on the key disk in order to move
the installation, but of course if the hard disk got whacked then you
might not have the opportunity to do this.
-Frank McConnell
> It's very professional looking. My compliments.
>>http://www.lordandlady.net
>>it's sci-fi, Fantasy ,Ren/Mediaeval and goth stuff
Shame about the 'Protected area'
(Anyone who wants to know how to bypass anoyances like
this mail me off list)
Lee.
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it's sci-fi, Fantasy ,Ren/Mediaeval and goth stuff
At 06:51 PM 4/24/03 -0400, you wrote:
>Geoff,
>
> > For small auction site operators like my wife
>
>So tell us how to find your wife's site, and perhaps some among us
>might check it out.
>
>
>
>
>At 02:08 PM 4/24/03 -0700, you wrote:
>>At 09:56 PM 4/23/03 -0500, you wrote:
>>>On Wednesday, April 23, 2003, at 08:40 PM, Mail List wrote:
>>>
>>>>That's right here in the next town over. If it's an open courtroom I could
>>>>go over there and check it out.
>>>>
>>>>I don't know about eBay and patent infringement, but I think eBay
>>>>has a monopoly on the online auction market for private individuals
>>>>which might warrant anti-trust action. I don't think a private individual
>>>
>>> The fact that an entity may be the only viable player on a given
>>> field doesn't "warrant anti-trust action." If eBay is actively doing
>>> anything to hinder their competition, other than doing what they do
>>> VERY well, and marketing it well, *that* might warrant action.
>>
>>They are, the state of Illinois? has a new law that was pushed through
>>with the help of ebay requiring the operators of any Internet auction
>>site to register with that state "if any potential sellers or buyers
>>reside within the state" at a fee of $200. of course you also have to
>>find an auctioneer to "sponsor" you and you have to take state approved
>>courses to maintain the registration (auction calling, and the like)
>>:( the state is getting ready to start filing civil lawsuits seeking
>>damages of up to $10,000 and the shutting down of the offending sites if
>>you don't comply.
>>
>> For small auction site operators like my wife (she hasn't made any $
>> from the thing yet and it's been running for > 6 months) that state's
>> requirements are onerous.
Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote:
<< I sell goods all the time on the austin.forsale newsgroup. As far as
I'm concerned, eBay is an *asset* to that, not a detraction. eBay is
the de facto Blue Book for used/surplus goods, allowing me to decide if
my property is salable, whether it's worth more in cash than as a
possession, and how to price it. It also shortstops lowballing by
prospective customers. Naturally, it isn't the only resource I use,
but it a very convenient and extremely well-organized asset for any
seller, and for any buyer of either local or online goods. >>
I think for most items, including collectible classic computers, this is
absolutely true. I've said for many years, you can find ANYTHING on eBay if
you look regularly, and for most things, most of the time, it's a deal.
Things that have collectability you have to be more careful about in order to
get the best price. That's really true of anything though, shop around a
little, research before you buy. I think Michael Nadeau's book, "Collectible
Microcomputers" is terrific and I highly recommend it to anyone here, but for
pricing, I think the values are definitely on the low end of the spectrum.
For instance a Heath H11 from 1977 is said to be valued at between $65 -
$175. Do you know how fast I'd jump on the opportunity to buy one for under
$200?! Even if just the cpu. Off the top of my head, an H11 in great shape
with a couple manuals a few cards in it, operational, I'd say would easily
get $600+ on eBay. Anything above that would approach excessive in my mind,
but on average, eBay prices represent "real" market values to me. eBay has
done a pretty good job over the years to improve the process and to be fair
about charges, etc. I think it's just about one of THE best web creations of
all time, seriously. Doc, you said it right, it's a fine tool and asset.
Best, David
David Greelish
Classic Computing
www.classiccomputing.com
"classiccomputing" on eBay
It is easy to ask for a copyright release from the owner (if they are still
in business.) I got permission from Motorola to uses some data sheets on my
web site.
http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/MP_A2/MC6875/MC6875.htm
I sent an email to the press contact in the semiconductor division. (See my
request below.) I asked them to foward my request to the correct department.
I was emailed a short form to fill out and then they gave me permission.
I did the same for Byte magazine but received no response. I am going to put
some Radio Electronics articles up without permission because Gernsback
Publications went out of business last year. If I find out who owns the
copyright I will ask for a release.
Try to locate the owner and keep a record of your effort. Have contact
information on your web site so any copyright owner can reach you.
Heathkit is still around. www.heathkit.com Ask them for permission. I think
Popular Electronics was acquired by Gernsback Publications.
Michael Holley
www.swtpc.com/mholley
---------------------------------------------------
My original request to Motorola
I have a non-profit web site that documents personal computers from the
1970s that were based on the Motorola 6800 family of microprocessors. (
www.swtpc.com/mholley ) I would like permission to post copies of
out-of-print Motorola data sheets. These are useful for collectors and
hobbyist who are restoring these 6800 based computers and games.
An example is the datasheet for the MC6875 clock generator.
http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/MP_A2/MC6875/MC6875.htm
Could you direct this email to the correct person that handles this type of
release?
----------------------------------------------------
Hello Jeff,
I saw your post on the IBM machine which used an ISA Expansion Box, and I am
looking for such a box, or 2 or 3.
Would you know where I could get my hands on some?
The Blind (myself included) like using our synthetic speech cards along with
the software synthetic speech that comes from the sound card. Usually the
sound cards produce a more pleasant speech output, but if the soundcard
stops working, we are screwed, so we would like to keep using the older
speech cards (ISA).
I have been doing some web searches without much luck.
Thanks for any leads.
"Live long and prosper",
O. Glenn Ervin (Lenny)
N0YJV
Northeast Nebraska
e-mail:
GlennErvin(a)cableONE.net
The above address can also be found on MSM.
or my work e-mail:
gErvin(a)ncbvi.state.ne.us
This might be interesting to someone. Replys to original author, please.
Note: an L6-30R is a 250V 30A single-phase twist lock receptacal, ie U.S.
dryer...
Bob
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From: "der Mouse" <mouse>
To: <port-sparc>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Suns-at-Home] [robc(a)solarflares.net: SPARCServer 2000, anyone
want one?]
> This came across suns@home. Anyone here interested? I know nothing
> about it that's not in this message.
>
> > From: Jeff Wasilko <jeffw>
> > To: suns-at-home(a)net-kitchen.com
> > Message-ID: <20030327214108.GS24878(a)jane.smoe.org>
> > Subject: [Suns-at-Home] [robc(a)solarflares.net: SPARCServer 2000, anyone
want one?]
>
> > This is in Cambridge, MA.
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from Rob Cambra <robc(a)solarflares.net> -----
> >
> > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:17:22 -0500
> > From: Rob Cambra <robc(a)solarflares.net>
> > Subject: SPARCServer 2000, anyone want one?
> >
> >
> > We have one of the machines that ran www.sun.com from about '94-'96,
> > they gave it to us when we were redoing their site with our product a
> > few years back.
> >
> > It's big.
> >
> > It needs 3-phase 220 --L6-30R on it, so you don't *need* to
> > hardwire..heh..if that's a factor.
> >
> > It has (4) 50 or 60mhz SuperSPARC-(I or II?) processors and 640mb RAM.
> >
> > CD-Rom, DAT, various shoe-box diskpacks inside the case, and a bunch of
> > differential disks in a shelf we never used.
> >
> > I have been tasked with fitting over 1500sq/ft (almost full) of computer
> > room into about 600..so this thing has got to go.
> >
> > No one that works here wants it...and I feel sort of pained to have the
> > liquidators literally shred it (that's what they say they do, just
> > literally put into some wood-chipper for computers after separating the
> > toxic stuff)...any interest?
> >
> > The only cost is safely removing it from our building.
> >
> > Feel free to pass this on to someone who might want this.
> >
> > -rob
Hi Mike,
> What you are trying to do is have a completely new format for an auction.
> Specified end time with extended provision. You don't have any such
> "NORMAL" auction like this.
Yahoo auctions, GSA auctions, and a local one ( that ceased operations )
called Bidzilla had the extending auctions format.
> and the winners will be those that place last second bids (i.e. not seen
by others)
Not necessarily so. An early bidder that enters a high enough proxy bid
will still
win. Sniping sometimes backfires on the snipers, if they miscalculate what it
will take to win ( if it was something they really wanted ) and enter too
low a sniping
bid.
At 12:54 PM 4/24/03 -0700, you wrote:
> > At 18:23 24/04/2003, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>All this garbage about
> >>extending auctions an extra minute, blah blah blah, is just a dumb idea.
> >
> > I dispute that - the "extension" idea is what happens in a "normal"
> > auction. The auctioneer will take bids until all competing bidders back
> > out, leaving the one winner. This, naturally, maximises the sale price
> > (which is good for the seller & the auction house).
>
>Absolute nonsense! In a normal auction, there is no specified "end time."
> These are two completely different formats. In a normal auction,
>everyone shows up at the same time and bids. Bidding is only for a few
>minutes.
>
>In an eBay auction (a completely different format) everyone has a very
>long time to decide.
>
>If you had an extended time feature (or pathetic idea) no one would bid on
>a 10 day auction until day 10. There would be no need to, unless you just
>couldn't be around.
>
>What you are trying to do is have a completely new format for an auction.
>Specified end time with extended provision. You don't have any such
>"NORMAL" auction like this.
>
>The only reason people place early bids on eBay is because they are
>thinking like this is a "NORMAL" auction, which it is NOT. This is like a
>sealed bid auction because the auction ends at a specified time and the
>winners will be those that place last second bids (i.e. not seen by
>others).