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OT(ish): Need 4 Gig RAM for your HP9000?

by zmerch-cctalk＠30below.com

Under 10 years old I'd guess, but hopefully I won't get lambasted due to the "kewlness" factor... Dunno if it's a "great" deal or anything, I know nada about HP9K systems, but if you just hafta have 4 Gig of RAM in yours... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140009204616 Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger | Anarchy doesn't scale well. -- Me zmerch at 30below.com. | SysAdmin, Iceberg Computers

19 years, 8 months

Paper tape Utilities/Images

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: Paper tape Utilities/Images > From: "Dave Dunfield" <dave06a at dunfield.com> > Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 05:49:15 -0500 > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >> Dave wrote..... >> > I have posted the utilities I created to read paper tapes to my site in >> > the Software/Images section (near the bottom of the main page): >> ...snip... PTR/PTC ...snip... >> >> Dave.... have you considered supporting serially attached paper tape >> reader/punches instead of just parallel devices? > >Hi Jay, > >I'd be happy to ... but I don't have a serial reader, so I need info on >the details of the interface (does it just send the raw serial stream as >read from the tape or is there some protocol around it). Dave, Most of the serial PTR/PTP I used were not unlike the ASR33, The only protocal was the usual; start and stop bits of serial comms. So for every byte read by the reader you got a byte in serial form. It's just a stream of chars (7 or 8bit) as punched on the tape. Reminder, leader on most of those will be read as zeros so the average tape will have a long line of zeros preceeding the content. There was one I'd used (deep memory test ca1977) that used the CTS line on the serial output to a corospnding line on the serial input (both for punch and reader) as hardware flow control (their manual called it hardware restraint). For that case CTS gated read(send bytes) no read and for the punch case CTS gated the hosts ability to send the next byte until the punch was ready for the next character. This was only needed for slow (read case) hosts that could not accept the 300cps read or a fast (relative) host that could over run the 75cps punch. Oddly enough the unit (punch reader was Remex with custom third party board) only had 4800 baud serial rate! Only saw one like it and the closest Remex model was parallel only. That's the hardware.. The tapes them selves could be Intel hex format, Moto S records, binary, ASCI text or some vendors format (relocatable binary or hex in some cases). Never minding DEC BIN and RIM formats. The oddest and is old Intel BNPF! FYI: for those not familiar that was a ROM submission format and Xasm output format. Each byte was recorded on Ptape as example: 11000011 C3h BPPNNNNPPF (yes 10 chars on tape!) 00000000 00h BNNNNNNNNF 00010000 10h BNNNPNNNNF The small advanatage is human readable. It was self cehcking at the char level as anything other than BNPF was invalid. I was wasy to do a simple reader needed only to sense three holes (sprocket and two bits) to discern if the character was B,N,P or F making it very easy to serialize. I had to do that back in '74 as a lab EE for a controller (8008 based) project. Allison

19 years, 8 months

cctalk Digest, Vol 37, Issue 55

by gkaufman＠the-planet.org

From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > By 'out', I assume you mean towards higher numbered tracks -- that is > with the head closer to the spindle. Yup, sorry - typically the worse errors are after track 50ish. > I can see no obvious reason why you'd get more errors on inner tracks if > the alignment was off. The errors would be on all tracks I would think. > Unless your leadscrew is so warn that the head is not properly postiioned > (I have _never_ seen that happen). > > A worn/dirty head might give more errors on the inner tracks where the > bit density is higher (shorter tracks), though > Thanks, all very good thoughts! - Gary

19 years, 8 months

Paper tape Utilities/Images

by dave06a＠dunfield.com

In case anyone is interested: I have posted the utilities I created to read paper tapes to my site in the Software/Images section (near the bottom of the main page): Paper Tape Reader (PTR) reads data from a reader connected to a PC parallel port. It was tested with an OAE OP-80A, however it should work with any reader which provides parallel data, a "data ready" strobe, and accepts an ACK pulse to reset for the next byte. Paper Tape Compare (PTC) is a utility to identify differences between paper tape image files. It a little brighter than "comp" for examining paper tape streams - useful to confirm multiple reads. Source code is included so you can modify to suit your own setup as required. I have also started a section of Paper Tape Images - currently only the processor technology VDM drivers are there, however I anticipate obtaining and reading addional tapes later this fall - as always, submissions to the archive from other sources would be very welcome. -- dave06a (at) Dave Dunfield dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com com Collector of vintage computing equipment: http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html

19 years, 8 months

2940 Taxonomy; was: Re: SCSI cable needed

by Billy.Pettit＠wdc.com

Roger Merchberger wrote: Ah, no. The latest transfer rate is Ultra 320 - it's been out for at least a few years now. >I think the 80 pin SCA is only a matter of the hot plug >spec and connector, and can be dealt with by adapters >from the 50 pin or 68 pin cables to the SCA back >plane connectors. It also deals with the device address >in the connector. Although there are 50-pin to 80-pin adapters, remember that 50-pin is only an 8-bit-wide bus and so your throughput would not be any faster than with an 8-bit-wide device (of the same bandwidth). Hope this helps, Roger "Merch" Merchberger ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Billy: I first started working on Ultra 320 at Quantum in 1999; but they never shipped a product until 2001. 160 wasn't a clean intro - lots of controller/system problems. Don't know how 320 was on initial release, but given the same cast of characters, it might have been rough too. SCA 80 pin has a lot of adaptors to go to/from 68 pin. I even have an old Apple system using an SCA drive on a 50 pin bus via an adaptor PCB. If using SCA, key point to remember is that power is inside the 80 pin connector. SCA drives don't normally have the legacy 4 pin Molex power connector. And I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the early Apple SCSI, that was 25 pin. I'm still using some 50 to 25 pin cables on my G4 to drive some old Epsom scanners. And even have one scanner on an Initio wide controller doing a double conversion, 68 pin to 50 pin, then a 50 pin to 25 pin cable! SCSI is FUN! - Old lapel pin I picked up at some Comdex. Billy

19 years, 8 months

HP 110+

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

I'm apparently google-impaired.... is anyone aware of an electronic copy of the HP 110+ computer owners manuals? Thanks in advance! Jay West

19 years, 8 months

SCSI cable needed

by Billy.Pettit＠wdc.com

Roy J. Tellason wrote: ________________________________ I've been going through a whole mess of stuff trying to get a CD burner working here, one I have won't work at all, one won't open and close its drawer reliably, and what I finally got to work was an external unit, a Yamaha CRW4260tx. Not new, but hey, it works... The thing is, I've currently got it hooked up by having the cover off, using a 50-wire ribbon cable from the rear of the actual drive assembly to the internal connector of the Adaptec 2940 that's in the computer, which also has its cover off. I'd like to put the covers on again, particularly since someone mentioned in here that cooling is critical with those drives, but to do that I need the right cable. The person I got this stuff from gave me *all* of their SCSI stuff, they ssy. And included in that was a ribbon cable, but that's apparently for internal use as it has three connectors on it and they're all the same size. I do have the book for the burner handy, and the cable shown in there is round. And the connector on the burner (2 of them actually) is *smaller* than the external connector on the 2940, I don't know exactly what you'd call this one. Anybody have such a cable they'd be willing to part with? I don't have much cash to work with at all, but could probably cover postage, or maybe trade some stuff. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Roy, I've read this twice but couldn't figure out which cable you need. Where does the cable go - drive to external box, external box to PC connector or internal to PC? How many pins on each end, what kind of connector etc. I can help you, albeit slowly, since the stuff is up North, 400 miles away. I have three of the Yamaha units that you are welcome to. I'll even ship them free. But all three have a bad laser diode. It was one of the early burner designs and has a limited number of on-hours. I really liked the Yamaha externals, but they wore out quickly. The flat cable with the three connectors was used on one of the Yamaha boxes to go from the drive to the TWO connectors on the back of the external box. My other two Yamahas had the two rear connectors soldered together with loose wires going into a 50 pin connector plugged into the back of the drive. I also have boxes of SCSI cables, all types, and terminators. But because of the wide variation in types, I need to know exact pin count and connector types. I have a few down here in Orange County, so maybe we'll be lucky. Just send me a detailed description. So let me know exactly what you are looking for. And if you want the other Yamahas, I'll be going up 3rd week in October and can send them to you then. Billy

19 years, 8 months

2940 Taxonomy; was: Re: SCSI cable needed

by trag＠io.com

>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:19:55 -0400 >From: "Roy J. Tellason" <rtellason at verizon.net> >On Tuesday 26 September 2006 07:03 pm, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: >> Roy J. Tellason wrote: >> >> I do have the book for the burner handy, and the cable shown in there >> >> is round. And the connector on the burner (2 of them actually) is >> >> *smaller* than the external connector on the 2940, >> >> If I'm right that you're running a 2940W (or 2940UW or 2940U2W) instead >> of a 2940, the cable you're looking for is HONDA68 -> HONDA50 *with >> high-byte termination*. > >I understand the need for the high-byte termination you mention here, as that >may be at the root of some of the problems that I've seen others mention in >this thread. What I don't understand is why a card that has only a 50-pin >internal connector would have a 68-pin connector on the external bracket. > >It also came as a bit of a surprise to me that when I pulled out my box of >those cards I found that even though all three of them had the same model >number that they were apparently three different cards... Adaptec used the same circuit board for several different products. In every case the circuit board has the same markings, but by populating the board in different ways they made different products. I'm going from memory here, so if I get some details wrong feel free to nitpick me. The 2940UW has an external HD68 pin connector with screw fasteners and internally it has an IDC50 ribbon cable connector and a 68 pin ribbon cable connector. The 2940U has an external HD50 connector (with clips) and an IDC50 ribbon cable connector internally. The Macintosh version of the 2940UW is just like the PC version, except it has a 1Mb (as opposed to 512Kb) Flash chip programmed with different firmware. There was also a Sun version of the card with Open Firmware code on board. You used to be able to download the firmware updater back in the good old days when Adaptec had a very comprehensive ftp site accessible to the public (why did so many companies shut down their public ftp sites?). I think there was also a differential (HVD) version of that card on that board, but I may be misremembering. The 2940 (no U) is a slightly different card because there's only a position on board for a DIP packaged Flash (or EPROM) chip and no PLCC nor (I think) SOIC position. To further complicate matters there were at least two later variants of the 2940UW, the 2940UW Dual and the 2940UW Pro. AFAICT, these two later variants used a different controller chip than the X940U[W]. The X940U[W] uses an AIC-7880. I think the two later variants use a 7895, but that's a low reliability memory on that last part number. While the 2940UW uses a 68 pin external connector with screw fasteners, there are versions of the 68 pin external connector with clips. It is found on the FWB (Stream Logic) NuBus JackHammer SCSI card, for example. And 68 pin external terminators exist in both variants to correspond with both types of connectors found in the wild. Jeff Walther

19 years, 8 months

List stats

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

> Out of interest, are the stats for daily list traffic recorded anywhere? >I've not seen any obviously missing messages, I just don't seem to be >seeing much list traffic right now (since hopping the pond a couple of >weeks back and using a different ISP) The digests haven't been quite right, I've missed a couple (issue 51 just recently), so it's possible that stuff's being lost somewhere.

19 years, 8 months

RX02 Problem solved...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: RX02 Problem solved... > From: Gary E Kaufman <gkaufman at the-planet.org> > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:10:26 -0400 > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > >Tony and others - > >The head load pad looks visually fine. The head load spring tension >appears pretty normal , and the solenoid pulls in nicely. > >The drive consistently reads the first 10 or so tracks, then tosses >various number of errors as it goes further out. > >I've cleaned the head, and cleaned/lubed the spindle. The track 0 >sensor appears fine. Also make sure the rails the head travels on are clean. The whole mess should move very smoothly. >It is indeed possible that the alignment is off - that would probably >explain the poor performance as it steps out. If it's bad on the outer tracks then it will be bad elsewhere. The only way it can get worse is if the lead screw or the follower is worn to the point of looseness. >I guess a worn out head would have the same symptoms. That can be visually inspected under a magnifier. Never seen that happen. > I the 70's I had a neat Dysan digital alignment disk that I used to >realign a few SA901 and SA801 drives. >Unfortunately I no longer have it. I suppose I could mark the position >of the stepper and slightly rotate it in each direction to see if it >improves things. Shugart made one too. > >If someone can point me to an actual alignment procedure I'm game - I >have reasonable scopes etc here. Without the disk or a known good disk you not going to get the best results. Allison

19 years, 8 months

RX02 Problem solved...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: RX02 Problem solved... > From: "Roy J. Tellason" <rtellason at verizon.net> > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:35:52 -0400 > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >On Monday 25 September 2006 03:30 pm, Allison wrote: >> Before I'd run out and kill a RX. I'd try cleaning and relubing the >> leadscrew and making sure the head load pad is still there. >> >> I had one that once both were taken care of it was perfect. > >Speaking of head load pads, way back when I was still bumping into a lot of >single-sided stuff I had one heck of a time tracking any of those down. I >have *no* idea now, several decades later, where the heck I got 'em from. >Are they available anyplace? And how critical are their characteristics, >anyhow? > >Not that I have any particularl *need* for them right now, just wondering... I use a peice of felt, real stuff not any of the cheap fakes.. Allison

19 years, 8 months

RS DRAM chips?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: RS DRAM chips? > From: "Roy J. Tellason" <rtellason at verizon.net> > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:43:48 -0400 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >I have some chips here, I'm pretty sure they're DRAM, marked with both a >Motorola logo and a "T/C" (Tandy Corp.?) logo, and with the part number >8040016 followed by what I'm pretty sure is a data code of QQ8301. Anybody >know what these are, exactly? > >I have a bunch of them, and no particular use for them, if anybody needs >some, though I'm curious as to what they are. Those are moto housenumbered 4116 16kx1 three voltage dynamic rams used in TRS80 and other machines of the time. Note: RS used slow parts. Allison

19 years, 8 months

Fixing PCB runs

by steerex＠mindspring.com

Hey Guys, I have several PCBs that have damaged runs. The damage was done as a result of dirt/moisture in contact with the boards while energized. I am going to fix the boards by splicing a short piece of copper wire to the existing runs, bridging the section where the run is broken. That's no problem. In order to physically secure the patch to the board and protect the exposed copper from corrosion, I need to apply some kinda coating / adhesive. What would you recommend? I don't want to spray the whole board with lacquer or anything like that. Just the areas where the copper is exposed. I was wondeing if something like fingernail polish would work? Any suggestions? Thanks, SteveRob

19 years, 8 months

RX02 Problem solved...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: RX02 Problem solved... > From: Gary E Kaufman <gkaufman at the-planet.org> > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:55:45 -0400 > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > >Thanks to tremendous help from several folks I've isolated my formatting >problem. > >Turns out to be a hardware issue with the DY1: drive. I've tried >cleaning heads etc. The read/write boards are fine ( I swapped them >with my Decmate I to check). > >So now I need a single drive for an RX02. Any idea's of a source? > >Many thanks! > >- Gary Yes and no. The Drives are same as RX01 and also same as those used in the PDT-11/150.. Before I'd run out and kill a RX. I'd try cleaning and relubing the leadscrew and making sure the head load pad is still there. I had one that once both were taken care of it was perfect. Allison

19 years, 8 months

Getting started with HP9000/200

by walkerpa＠ihug.co.nz

Tony, > OK, HP Pascal may be worth a try sometime. Is it related to any other > Pascal (like, say, the UCSD P-system)? HP Pascal is also very powerful, and modular, i.e.: allows compiled modules, or units in Borland Pascal terminology. It includes UCSD file IO, and it has an assembler and debugger. I think in terms of HP hardware supported, Pascal 3.1 is roughly equivalent to Basic 5.1. All of this is gleaned from the various documents at http://bitsavers.org/pdf/hp/9000_200/ as my Pascal knowledge is a little rusty! > you get the idea)). And floppy / floopy drive wear has to be balanced, I > guess, agaisnt the possiblity of a headcrash on the hard drive... It was with this in mind that I did an RS232 byte transfer of all three volumes of my 9153 to files on PC. It took a while! But at least I have a form of archive besides for floppies. I believe that the HP LIFUTIL program will allow connecting an HP drive to PC via HPIB, but I don't have one of those cards currently! > As regards convenience, if I can fit a BASIC configured the way I want > (with the necessare I/O drivers) on one disk, and have a second disk for > my programs, that should be quite useable. I can make backups/images of Suggestion: you could have Basic on the 1st disk, with a startup program that loads drivers from the 2nd disk, and then loads main program(s) from subsequent disks. Regards, Peter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/457 - Release Date: 26-09-2006

19 years, 8 months

Manchester "Baby"

by stimpy.u.idiot＠gmail.com

On 12/09/06, Andy Holt <andyh at andyh-rayleigh.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > > What about Science & Industry museum in Manchester? They've got some > early > > Manchester Uni hardware, haven't they? > > > They may have (I believe they have the replica of "Baby"); but, as I > discovered on Friday, they have absolutely none of the computing history > on > normal public display - this is a disgrace! > > Andy Especially given the amount of spare exhibition space they seem to have in the big warehouse that backs onto Coronation St.(1). I didn't get enough time today to have a proper look but given the Manchester Uni/Ferranti/ICL connection you'd think they could put something together. However, the replica "baby" can be seen every Tuesday, respect is due to the volunteers running the demo, they're ex Ferranti and ICL and know their stuff. It's definitely worth a visit, but be aware the gallery isn't open at all other days of the week. (The whole museum is worth a look btw, mostly free too) -- Pete Edwards "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future" - Niels Bohr (1) Set of popular UK TV soap opera.

19 years, 8 months

another test

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

test2 - please ignore this.

19 years, 8 months

Dymo Labelwriter 330 Turbo (data)

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

--- "John R." <jhoger at gmail.com> wrote: > On 9/25/06, aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk > <aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I was wondering if anyone has any data on > > the Dymo Labelwriter 330 Turbo? > > > > I seem to recall downloading the command format fr om > their website. > Keep looking. Did you try downloading the SDK > through the Developers > tab? Maybe there's a document in there. > > If you can't find it you can always use a machine > with two serial > ports (serial protocol analyzer to snoop the > traffic. HP serial > protocol analyzers up to 19200bps units go pretty > cheap on ebay these > days if you want a stand-alone. This is not a task > you can con someone > else into doing if it ain't already done (well, yo u > could pay them, I > guess). It is a challenge that you will have to me et > yourself if you > cannot find documentation. > > -- John. > Thanks for that, if no-one can help I'll look out for that piece of kit on eBay and get myself a laptop (I hate MS & Windoze) I did some research before buying myself the Labelwriter, and some guy (I forget his name) has written a driver for a modern printer so he could use it with his retro one. He used software to intercept the data being sent/recieved, rather than some equipment. I also hooked up the Labelwriter to my Amiga 600, and used AMOS BASIC to try and get it to print something by sending random data (perhaps a bad idea) to it with no luck. I did, however, confirm that the Amiga recognised that the printer was connected. Regards, Andrew B aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

19 years, 8 months

pdp8's,11/05, 11/34, Documentation, etc

by useddec＠gmail.com

I just picked up a ton of dec stuff including, 8's 11's, hardware, prints > and manuals. If you have any interest, please phone me or contact me off > list for details. Thanks, Paul Anderson 217-586-5361

19 years, 8 months

another test

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Please ignore.

19 years, 8 months

RS DRAM chips?

by rtellason＠verizon.net

I have some chips here, I'm pretty sure they're DRAM, marked with both a Motorola logo and a "T/C" (Tandy Corp.?) logo, and with the part number 8040016 followed by what I'm pretty sure is a data code of QQ8301. Anybody know what these are, exactly? I have a bunch of them, and no particular use for them, if anybody needs some, though I'm curious as to what they are. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin

19 years, 8 months

SCSI cable needed

by rtellason＠verizon.net

I've been going through a whole mess of stuff trying to get a CD burner working here, one I have won't work at all, one won't open and close its drawer reliably, and what I finally got to work was an external unit, a Yamaha CRW4260tx. Not new, but hey, it works... The thing is, I've currently got it hooked up by having the cover off, using a 50-wire ribbon cable from the rear of the actual drive assembly to the internal connector of the Adaptec 2940 that's in the computer, which also has its cover off. I'd like to put the covers on again, particularly since someone mentioned in here that cooling is critical with those drives, but to do that I need the right cable. The person I got this stuff from gave me *all* of their SCSI stuff, they ssy. And included in that was a ribbon cable, but that's apparently for internal use as it has three connectors on it and they're all the same size. I do have the book for the burner handy, and the cable shown in there is round. And the connector on the burner (2 of them actually) is *smaller* than the external connector on the 2940, I don't know exactly what you'd call this one. Anybody have such a cable they'd be willing to part with? I don't have much cash to work with at all, but could probably cover postage, or maybe trade some stuff. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin

19 years, 8 months

list stats

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Out of interest, are the stats for daily list traffic recorded anywhere? I've not seen any obviously missing messages, I just don't seem to be seeing much list traffic right now (since hopping the pond a couple of weeks back and using a different ISP) Although maybe this is in relation to the DoS attack on the classiccmp servers, and things still aren't 'quite right'... cheers Jules -- A. Because it destroys the natural flow of conversation. Q. What's wrong with top posting ?

19 years, 8 months

New computer nostalgia/history/collecting podcast . . .

by dgreelish＠mac.com

Hello everyone, what I once did in the print form, I am now starting as a "radio" show. If you are not familiar with podcasting, it is essentially an mp3 talk-show (usually). This can be downloaded to your iPod or mp3 player, or simply listened to online from the below link. All that is needed is QuickTime. http://web.mac.com/tgreelish/iWeb/ClassicComputingPodcast/Classic%20Computi… I hope my work can be an enjoyable and useful addition to the hobby/community. Thanks, David Greelish The Classic Computing Podcast classiccomputing.com The Home of Computer History Nostalgia

19 years, 8 months

360kB HH Floppy Drive

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: 360kB HH Floppy Drive > From: Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:08:35 -0400 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > > >Does anyone have an extra 360kB HH 5.25" PC-compatible floppy drive >lying around? Or maybe two? > >Peace... Sridhar Yes, a bunch. Are they rare around there? Allison

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