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by technobug＠comcast.net

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:44:24 -0500, "Ram Meenakshisundaram" <RMeenaks at olf.com> wrote: > How early?? I am specifically looking for any TI C40 and Motorola > 9600 DSP stuff... > > Cheers, > > Ram [...] >> From: "9000 VAX" <vax9000 at gmail.com> >> >> I am wondering whether any member of this mailing list is >> interested in >> early DSP chips? > > Hi > I have a developement sdk for the Intel 2920 chip. > I've played with it a little. > Dwight I'm presently attempting to play with a Loughborough Sound Images PCI/ C44S board that has 4 'C44s on it. If my old employer falls into the season's hype^H^H^H^Hspirit I might be be gifted with the TI compiler and a distributed OS. I programmed a system with 17 'C40s a while back and do like the beast. However, I'm still looking for info on this particular board - any info would be appreciated. Recently came across my original 'C20 development kit and lit it up for giggles and grins :=)) CRC

19 years, 6 months

ASR 33 repair tips sought.

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

After shelving the silly idea of converting my machine to 220V ( you guys were right, my "native 220V" machine has a big transformer on the righthand side of the typing unit, and a 115 V motor... ) I still needed to get them running. My latest ASR 33 comes out quite nicely after a removal of dried grease and reoiling and seems to be fully functional, just drops a bit from time to time when using the keyboard. (i.e. LSB missing )I hope a cleaning of the keyboard contacts wil take care of that . My second, older machine however has more severe malfuntioning : it drops bits every second character, and often generates extra characters, @ being a favorite. I assume the error is inside the keyboard, as both units type ascii text >from a papertape without a hitch. But what failure mode would cause extra characters from the keyboard ? Jos

19 years, 6 months

History of EDA (electronic design automation)?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> I've seen two systems (not pure software, but integrated systems) > that really blew me away years ago. My memories of both are very > fuzzy. One was an ECAD workstation called Daisy; it was a schematic > capture system and may have done other things as well. It was > gorgeous but I didn't see much of its capabilities. I saw this > around 1985 or thereabouts. Daisy was one of the first ECAD workstations. Started out as 8086 Multibus up through 386. I never saw the earliest version of the OS. The later ones were unix-like. Last versions were Intel 386 PC based. Apple used them before switching to Valid or Mentor, depending on the project. I saw parts of a Calay at a surplus place in the mid 90's. There was also Racal/Redac PCB layout systems. I think I still have the packs from one of these. It ran RSX11 on an SMS disc controller. Most of the small stand-alone systems disappeared once IBM PC ECAD systems developed. There were one or two companies selling CAD tools into the Macintosh market, but they were pretty awful. There was one system that was popular for schematic capture on Macs that was used internally at Apple up through the late 90s. DEC used a schematic capture system from Stanford through the 70's and early 80's (SUDS, Stanford University Drawing System). The MIT CADR was designed using this as well.

19 years, 6 months

History of EDA (electronic design automation)?

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Are you asking only about chip design software, or are you including circuit design software? IBM had proprietary schematic editing, automated layout, automated manufacturing, etc in the early 1960's if not earlier. Simulation too if I remember correctly. The schematics were printed on line printers and were (are) called Automated Logic Diagrams (ALD). See e.g. http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/082/ibmrd0802F.pdf http://ed-thelen.org/1401Project/ALDs-fromAustralia.html There is more detail in http://bitsavers.trailing- edge.com/pdf/ibm/logic Data entry was originally text based. When the 2250 graphic display unit became available around 1967, IBM moved from text-based ALD editing to graphical. See e.g. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=805397 It would be pretty wonderful if all of THAT code was still around. Could run it under simulation. Brian

19 years, 6 months

History of EDA (electronic design automation)?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

>> Have you seen the prices of just a single seat of that kind of >> software? > > Yes, but I hadn't thought about licensing, that's a good point. > > I wonder if these companies even keep around a piece of their history > or if its lost forever? Look at the company you work for. Does E&S have copies of everything that they have produced? The rest of the world is no different. Once a product is no longer a source of revenue, it is disposed of. If it is archived, the chances of anyone getting access to it outside the company is vanishingly small.

19 years, 6 months

RK05 images

by ggs＠shiresoft.com

I've imaged the first of (many) RK05 packs. Here's what I've done so far (these were done first because they were either cleaned or because they were still sealed in the *original* DEC shipping boxes): * PDP-11 F-77/RSX V4.0 (DEC Distribution media) * RMS-11 V1.8/RSX-11M V3.2 (DEC Distribution media) * RSX-11M V3.2 AUTOPATCH 1/2 (DEC Distribution media) * RSX-11M V3.2 AUTOPATCH 2/2 (DEC Distribution media) * RT11 V4.0 MUBASIC V2 (handwritten label) * XXDP RKDP PKG #1 (handwritten label) I'll be putting these up on my website in the next few days (the images will have been gzip'd to save space and reduce bandwidth). To wet your appetites, here are some of the other "high" value packs (these are all DEC Distribution media unless otherwise noted): * EDU-DECAL (DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CA1 AUTHOR LANGUAGE SYSTEM) * RSTS V6C RK System 1 of 3 (handwritten) * RMS-11K/RSX-11M V1.5 * DECNET-11M/S V3.1 1/2 * XXDP Diags RKDP PKG #2 (handwritten) * CVZZDU0 LSI-11 DKDP+ DIAG PKG * DECNET-11M/S V3.1 2/2 * RSX-11M AUTO-PATCH REV-D * RSX11S V2.1 * CTS-300/DIS V1 * SORT-11 V01 * XXDP RKDP DIAG PKG 1 * XXDP RKDP DIAG PKG 2 * XXDP RKDP DIAG PKG 3 * F4/IAS-RSX V2.2 * DECNET-11M/S V2.0 1/2 * RSX11M V3.1 MCRSRC * RSX11M V3.1 FCPDMP * MUMPS V04 (handwritten) * F4-PLUS/RSX V3.0 * DIBOL-11 SOURCE RELEASE 4 (Typed label) * RSX-11M V3.2 EXC SRC BIN * COBOL/RSX11M/IAS V4 * COBOL/RSX11M/IAS V3.1 BIN * DECNET-11M/S V3.1 NET 1/2 I have to clean each of these packs before I image them since they weren't kept in the original shipping boxes. I also have 170+ additional packs that have all handwritten labels, but weren't as interesting as what I've already listed. Cleaning a pack takes about 20 minutes (including disassembly and reassembly) so don't expect these to be done quickly. Except for the two packs that I've cleaned myself (above), I'm not sure if the contents of the packs match what the labels indicate. I've also discovered that DEC distribution packs (at least the ones I've read so far) only format the first 202 cylinders (vs a max of 203 cylinders). -- TTFN - Guy

19 years, 6 months

Need any "old" tape media?

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

I've got a stack of 8mm (doesn't mention a size, a mix of Verbatim data tapes, and Sony and Fuji video tapes), 4mm DDS1 (both 60M and 90M), and DLT3 tapes at work which we're getting set to throw away... the DDS/8mm tapes have some data on them, and will be degaussed... the DLT3's are unused, from several years ago. Asking $2/tape plus shipping. I've got 50-100 of each available. If I don't hear anything by mid next week, they'll be thrown in the trash. Also, if anyone needs DLT or LTO tape cases (or 8mm or 4mm, assuming the tapes aren't sold), let me know. We've got a bunch of empty cases that are going in the trash for those as well. Pat -- Purdue University Research Computing --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

19 years, 6 months

Q-Bus Codar Clock

by HrTchDmoor＠aol.com

Do you have any of these clock modules available for sell, P/N: ASM-951-1200? Her-Tech Solutions, Inc Donna Moore/ President 760-730-1499 ext: 111 donna at htsolutions.org

19 years, 6 months

BASF 6114 disk drive

by cc＠corti-net.de

Hello, I have one of those "washing machine" disk drive which uses media with 11 platters in nearly mint condition (heads are locked, test protocol from the manufacturer is included). I think that this is a rebaged CDC or Memorex drive. I'd like to use this drive and therefore need any kind of manual for the BASF 6114. My idea is to check out the drive and disk packs and then let some students build an interface that connects this drive to a SCSI bus ;-)) Christian

19 years, 6 months

History of EDA (electronic design automation)?

by kossow＠computerhistory.org

> We have the chips produced from earlier eras, but what attempts have > been made to preserve the design tools from those earlier eras? This is the same problem I've run into with minicomputer/mainframe software. No one thought it was important to save this, or if they did I've not been able to find anyone willing to release it. Some of the circuit design stuff (like ECAP) is around. I have some of the early Berkeley CAD tools tapes, and a few versions of Spice. Livermore/Stanford's SCALD system (which morphed into the SCALD product from Valid) is public domain, but I can't find anyone who saved a copy. I don't know of anyone who saved a complete Daisy Logician, or a Valid Logic SCALDstation (w software), or the VTI CAD tools (written in MAINSAIL). You'll also find this stuff was tightly licensed in the workstation world, since the price per seat was (is) so high.

19 years, 6 months

Meshna

by rvc1954＠comcast.net

Hello there! I remember Meshna's quite well. Right across from Flax Pond, near the old Coke Plant. I grew up in Lynn near Union Hospital, and went to the old Lynn Trade school in 1969 - 1972 for electronics. I actually walked the 3 miles from my house to Meshna's at least once per week in those years. Tons of big transformers, vacuum tubes, power supplies, O-scopes, and a lot of World War 2 Army stuff thrown in for good measure. I remember the big plastic bags of capacitors, resistors or even radio crystals for 1 dollar. Jeesh, now that I think of it, those are damn good memories!! When I walked up those wooden stairs onto the back long porch and went inside, I remember the place had a particular odor of old wood which I really liked for some reason. Just one of those things I guess! Sorry to hear that time has won the race again, but that will never stop, and some things I will never forget! Rick Caprarella

19 years, 6 months

Emulex SC02/C utilities amd diagnostics

by hachti＠hachti.de

Hi again, the Emulex SC02/C controller seems to be able to boot my DU device (as docs tell, my MSCP SCSI thing is EMulex too). That would be cool. Will try it out in the evening. What about the Emulex original diagnostics and tools (pack formatter etc) for the controller? Does anyone have that? Would be very good to have the tools. Don't know where to get them. Regards, Philipp :-) -- http://www.hachti.de

19 years, 6 months

Fwd: Apple ASCII keyboard wanted

by julesrichardsonuk＠yahoo.co.uk

Following was spotted on the mn.general group; I figured that someone here might have an answer! cheers J. ==fwd== Subject: Looking for vintage keyboard From: Paul Czywczynski <paul at cbico.com> Newsgroups: mn.general Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:16:21 +0000 (UTC) I am looking for a couple of vintage Apple I or II ASCII keyboards. Does anyone know of any sources, local or Internet based? thanks... -Paul

19 years, 6 months

KDF11-BA boot with RK06 emulation

by hachti＠hachti.de

Hi folks, I have found the Motorola 68764 EPROM to make new boot ROMs for my PDP11/23+. Everybody seems to discuss the use of KDF11-B3, KDF11-BG etc. and MSCP devices. But what avout RK06/07? In my system I have an Emulex SMD controller which emulates RK06 (with other disks also RK07) drives, an RX02 and a SCSI controller doing the DU MSCP thing. Everything works fine. Only booting is problematic. I have to choose what I want to do by configuring my cards: * For DU, I have to enable auto boot on controller and CPU, nasty thing. Makes booting SCSI possible - but only that. * For RK (DM), I have to use the controller's ROM and to disable the LTC on the CPU. Don't know if there's a line clock on the controller or how to enable it. In that configuration I can boot DM and DY - but no DU * With original PROM I can only boot DY on my system. I want an original PROM image which does all the three. Does that exist? If yes, please let me know. It would be very nice to have a machine with the possibility to choose between all available boot devices on start up. With the nice BOOT> prompt etc. Thank you very much, Philipp :-) -- http://www.hachti.de

19 years, 6 months

Mouse systems M4 Optical Mouse

by teoz＠neo.rr.com

I have a Mouse Systems M4 model optical mouse that came with my Amiga 3000 but does not have the special mousepad needed for it, any way to fake one of those pads? The only other available mouse I have is for the A1000 and has an angled connector that won't fit unless I jack the A3000 case up a few inches. How well did the M4s work anyway? I did plug it in to my machine and the buttons seem to work but I could not find a printed patterrn that would make the cursor do anything but barely move (The red LED does light up). I tend to like optical mice so this would be cool to have functioning.

19 years, 6 months

PDP-11/70 Panel brought back to life

by elf＠ucsd.edu

> Well, it took a few years, but I finally brought my PDP-11/70 > panel back to life: > http://www.saccade.com/writing/projects/PDP11/PDP-11.html > I'm afraid I don't have the space or power (or noise tolerance!) > to have the real thing around. Has anybody else brought panels > back to life? I'm aware of the Spare Time Gizmos / Ersatz-11 > work, and of course the incredible "Gallery of Old Iron". Any > others? Very nice! I have an 11/70 panel sitting around -- and that looks like an intriguing project to try. I own XDS (SDS) Sigma 9 Panel and brought it back to life. It was quite an undertaking, as the panel consists of about 100 lamps -- and hand wiring all of them took quite a bit of labor. It now blinks -- in some sort of random "computing" fashion -- but is essentially a useless piece of eye-candy when it comes to being a useful computer (after all, I don't have anything else except the programming console). But I must admit, it is a pretty sight watching all those blinkenlights flicker on and off :-) I wired it up basically in tribute to my father for a present -- who was employee #9 (or maybe #10) at SDS way back in the early 1960s. I also own an SDS 940 programming console -- but I've chosen to leave that untouched (a dead soul, if you will). -Eric P.S. -- I'd post a video of it in action, but I don't own a video camera (I'll have to borrow one). I did take a bunch of snapshots in succession and piece them together -- kind of a kludge -- but you get an idea of what it looks like after watching it. Not nearly as nice if it were a smooth video though. If anyone is interested, and I can get around to it, I'll post a picture or two, and the "piecemeal" video on a website in the (maybe near) future.

19 years, 6 months

Shelving ideas for 3-high terminals

by legalize＠xmission.com

OK, I'm in a situation that will sound all too familiar. My collecting habits have started to fill my basement. I'm considering building some sturdy shelving that will let me stack terminals 3 high. Well, really "two high" at standard bench heigh, leaving room underneath for things like workstations and other floor units that are approximately desk height or less. One of you has probably done something similar, or maybe you know of a pre-fab shelving unit that is up to the task, giving me the option of investing labor or cash. Suggestions? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

19 years, 6 months

FYI: RZ29C (4.8 GB SCSI DEC drives) on ebay for $5 ea.

by legalize＠xmission.com

I've bought from this guy before and been happy with the results. Item #2788787188 -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

19 years, 6 months

Targa/TIGA/??? was Re: TMS340x0

by kelly＠catcorner.org

>Chris M > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:28 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: Targa/TIGA/??? was Re: TMS340x0 > > > > > I remeber the AT&T TARGA. Output was to a RGB > > monitor. Input via tablet with a puck and a wand. > > They had it running on a Wyse PC/286. I wrote a > > converter to the Amiga IFF and PC GIF, but I can't > > find the source any more. > > to convert .tga to those formats? > Yes. They were pretty much raw RGB data if I recall. > > I worked at the video lab for the County College of > > Morris (in New Jersey) back in 90-92. They also had > > some SGI stuff and some film printers for the PC. > > All networked via ethernet. Pretty advanced for a > > community college. > > But am I correct in asserting that *somehow* this > device could control the individual micro-dots (not > the Berkeley kind LOL LOL) that make up a pixel? Prior > to VGA, and although the ability wasn't altogether > absent from the computer world then, photorealistic > imagery was possible, IIRC, on a stock digital > monitor??? They talked to an analog video monitor in TV or Laser Disc resolutions. The ones we had had two video cards. I think one was a Herc mono compatible for the DOS stuff. I think the one connected to the TGA was analog inputs with seperate sync. Until you activated the TARGA card, the screen was blank. I think in later versions we could load a graphic onto the video card for static display until you loaded the TARGA software. I don't recall the term micro-dots, but everything was anti-aliased. I was the technoid that connected the devices, made them all talk, and cobbled together software for moving the images. I also learned a lot about video production. I think their character cenerators were originally Sony MBC-55s. They then moved to Chimera or something similar. I just remember replacing the ROMs and software on these units all the time for upgrades.

19 years, 6 months

Dr. Hopper's 100 birthday

by Lee.Courtney＠windriver.com

I was lucky enough to have dinner with her when she visited our student ACM chapter in the mid-1970s. Remember her smoking (several) unfiltered Camels that evening. Great speaker. Told a very funny story about being mistaken for a flight attendant (stewardess in those days) when walking thru the airport in her naval uniform. Lee Courtney Product Line Manager - Linux for Consumer Devices Wind River 500 Wind River Way Alameda, California 94501 Office: 510-749-2763 Cell: 650-704-3934 Yahoo IM: charlesleecourtney > -----Original Message----- > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Brad Parker > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:09 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Dr. Hopper's 100 birthday > > > Colin Eby wrote: > >All -- > > > >Saw this blurb on BBC News and thought I'd flag it to the > rest of you. > >9 December was the 100th anniversary of Dr. Grace Hopper's > birthday. > >All hail Mother COBOL: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6168489.stm > > I saw her speak once, where she handed out "nanoseconds" and > talked with people afterward. It was very memorable. She > was quite inspirational. > > I'll never forget her talking about just doing things rather > than asking for permission, and her (now) famous quote on > that. She had great stories about the military and computing. > > She also (if I remember correctly) had some interesting > anecdotes about drum memory and code timing - I've seen other > people comment on that here. > > -brad >

19 years, 6 months

multiple cpu machines Re: rogues galleries

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Day late and a dollar short.... As Tony Duell said, DEC Rainbow, 2 CPU's, Z-80 + 8088, possibly count the 7220 graphics processor, so 2 or maybe 3 CPU's. (hangs head in shame) Oh yeah! (head comes back up) AlphaServer 2100, 3 CPU cards ... but all three the same Alpha 4/275 CPU. Sigh. NeXT cube, 68040 + DSP56000 + i860 (on NeXTDimension card) .... ... but then it's not supported to get the i860 to do anything but drive graphics, so that doesn't count - back to 2 CPU's. (head hangs again) oh well. -- Mark Tapley, Dwarf Engineer (I haven't cleared my neighborhood) 210-379-4635 Dwarf Phone, 210-522-6025 Office Phone

19 years, 6 months

rare Aussie portable "Portapak" on eBay

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1983-Aussie-luggable-Portapak-Z80B-Cpu_W0QQitem… don't mean to push loads of eBay stuff, and believe me I have no relation to the seller. But history is just that, and eBay is often a source of it. Rugged looking little piece of work. Well suited for the Outback LOL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

19 years, 6 months

video monitors available - Evanston, Illinois

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, At 12:00 -0600 12/10/06, Jack wrote: >I've got about a dozen Sony Trinitron PVM-1380 color video monitors >available. These are dual-channel composite video/mono audio - great for >use with your Apple ][, Atari 800, Commodore 64, etc. Very nice >commercial grade in very good condition. Removed from our school >language lab, so may be "personalized" cosmetically but nothing >objectionable. > >Free for pickup - I will not ship but I can store them through January. >Any remainder will be scrapped in February. > >Located in Evanston, Illinois. > >Jack >847.424.7320 work Sigh. I have a Co-Co 3 and an Apple][. Using TV's so far, better resolution would be nice. I'm in San Antonio, TX, 78254, and will not be able to pick up a monitor. a) Anybody near Evanston planning to talk to Jack about one of these? b) Anybody in category a) willing to pak/n/ship one for me, for 1.2 * packing and shipping cost or similar? c) any idea what shipping will run? I'm guessing order of $40 or so? -- Mark Tapley, Dwarf Engineer (I haven't cleared my neighborhood) 210-379-4635 Dwarf Phone, 210-522-6025 Office Phone

19 years, 6 months

Cleaning disk packs

by aek＠bitsavers.org

>> Really?! What's that look like? How did you come across one? >> Do you have photos? :-) > >I've seen a few go through ebay. They do show up from time to time and >aren't terribly uncommon. Nor are they particularly useful. They are better at contaminating packs than cleaning them. Visual inspection and cleaning is absolutely essential when working with 20+ year old unknown media.

19 years, 6 months

OT: Vintage radio opinion

by cclist＠sydex.com

While going through my dustpile, I came across this communications receiver front end: http://www.sydex.com/images/fe.jpg I vaguely remember picking it up in the 60's on Chicago's S. Michigan Ave. "Radio Row" (as boxed new surplus) and that I hooked it up long enough to determine that the IF output is 1600 KHz (or should I say KC?). It's undoubtedly part of some dual-conversion receiver--I suspect something like a Heathkit, but that's just a guess. Tube lineup is 12AT7, 6CS6 and 6BZ6. My question is if this is something worth selling or if I'm likely to lose my 65 cents eBay listing fee. Any additional information from someone who recognizes this would be welcome. Cheers, Chuck

19 years, 6 months

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