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by aek＠bitsavers.org

http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/magtapes/BB-FF990-MC_CZZI0O0_MSDPV2_88.… fortunately, there was only one other bidder.

19 years, 4 months

Fwd: [comp.sys.dec] Selling my PDP-11/83 and various spares..

by legalize＠xmission.com

This message has been forwarded from Usenet. To reply to the original author, use the email address from the forwarded message. Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:35:50 +0900 Groups: comp.sys.dec,alt.sys.pdp11 From: Tim Sneddon <tesneddon at bigpond.com> Subject: Selling my PDP-11/83 and various spares... Id: <45d4fdf3$0$16270$88260bb3 at free.teranews.com> ======== All, I have to move house and unfortunately the new place doesn't have enough room f or my PDP-11/83 and all my other junk. Over the next week or so I will be putting up whatever I I think might sell on eBay. You can see the current list at: http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQsassZtesneddonQQhtZ-1 Hopefully that URL will work for everyone else :-) I have split up the system into parts as I can't imagine too many people would want to ship the entire machine, anywhere. There are also some spares and as I disassem ble my MicroVAX 3400 and VAX 4000/200 more Q-BUS parts will become available. Once again I'm only selling this equipment because I don't have a choice. I wou ld like to give it away, but I am also getting married soon and every little bit helps. Hopefully this gear will find it's way to a good home. Regards, Tim. PS. Apologies for the cross posting. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

19 years, 4 months

SWTPc 6800 vs. Altair 680

by billdeg＠degnanco.net

Are the programs from the SWTPc 6800 interchangeable with the Altair 680? Is there a good web reference that compares these two?

19 years, 4 months

HP 1000 E Series on Govliq.

by mtapley＠swri.edu

At 12:01 -0600 2/15/07, Richard wrote: > > Look at photo number 7. Looks like an HP 1000 E Series machine. Too much >> other stuff in the lot though. >> >> Bob >> > > http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1124213&convertTo=USD > >That's one of those wiggy lots where I don't quite trust govliq. The >picture and lot description list HP 1000, but its not in the lot >manifest. > >Anyone near San Antonio, TX want to check it out? I'm in San Antonio, and I'll have an opportunity to do that on Wednesday, 21-Feb. Email if you are interested in having me do so. I know nothing about HP 1000 machines, so I'll need lots of "look-for-this" type information if I'm to be of much use. -- Mark, 210-379-4635 --------- >you don't have to control EVERYTHING. you can let things happen >and then merge the streams. there is elegance in simplicity. - Arthur Leung, 2006

19 years, 4 months

Best rescue I've had in the hobby so far

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> Wow! Never seen a pile of Xerox stuff like that in Ohio... Ohio State used a bunch. The old Interlisp-D mailing list (which was gatewayed to usenet as comp.sys.xerox) was run by Arun Welch at OSU.

19 years, 4 months

Best rescue I've had in the hobby so far

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> I don't know if I'll be able to get hold of any > software or docs yet. Docs should be on bitsavers. I should have disc images for the major releases of XDE (the Mesa development environment) and most releases of Interlisp-D.

19 years, 4 months

'Pong to Playstation' exhibition at the Museum of Computing

by swebb＠cix.co.uk

35 years of working computer games consoles will be starring in a new exhibition at the Museum of Computing in Swindon. The exhibition charts the machines, the companies and the games characters that are now part of gaming history. The exhibition is open daily, is free of charge and runs until early August 2007. 'Pong to Playstation' shows the earliest and most unusual machines that ever graced a living room. From the world?s first TV tennis game, through the rise of gaming companies such as Atari, Nintendo, Sega and Sony, over 40 of the best-loved consoles and accessories will be on display. Throughout the exhibition there will be a number of hands-on machines allowing adults to relive their youth and children to play classic games that people still rave about today. The original Super Mario, Sonic the Hedgehog and Space Invaders are just some of the games available on original 1980?s machines. As well as playing the vintage consoles, visitors will be able to explore the design of game characters and build their own or existing characters >from Lego! 'Pong to Playstation' runs from Saturday 17th February to Saturday 18th August, Mon-Fri 10:00-16:00, Sat 09:00-13:00. Admission free. Simon Webb Curator, Museum of Computing www.museum-of-computing.org.uk Tel: 07939 582544

19 years, 4 months

paper tape ebay $4 deal?

by jwest＠ezwind.net

A while back a guy (ebay ID was something similar to 'jeffking') was selling cartons of paper tape for $4.00 each. Someone here said that the tape they got was oiled, don't remember who. I bought a box because all the tape I have is unoiled, but what I got was definitely not oiled (nor had it been in the past). It's no big deal at all, I'm happy to have more tape (especially at $4 a carton!!). But I was curious if others got in on this deal and if what they got was oiled or not? I wanted oiled for an ASR33... Jay

19 years, 4 months

Punched cards

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

The news isn't good. I don't know if anyone is manufacturing punch (tab) cards anymore. I've done some poking around. National Card West in Long Beach, Calif was acquired by Pacific Data Forms, Inc (www.pacificdataforms.com). PDF sold the punch card equipment to B&D Litho in Phoeniz, AZ, but B&D either no longer has it, or doesn't know it has it, but either way, doesn't make tab cards. Don't call the 702 number for National Card West in Las Vegas -- that number now belongs to a private individual. U.S. Card Corporation in Tiffin, Ohio has closed, according to Doug Jones. Pacific Paper Products (http://www.pacpaper.com/lccc-contab.html) makes continuous feed tab cards -- but that's not what we're after. Ron at B&D gave me these references from the 2001 Print Solutions Magazine Buyers Guide, all of which went to a dead end: Kay Toledo Tag, Toledo, OH no more Impact Printing, Hayward, CA no Windy City Press, IL no Marathon Label, Wassau, WI could probably do it but hasn't in the last 15 years and doesn't have the dies to cut the cards -- would have to be a custom job Doug Jones (Mr. Punched Card himself) may be the right person to respond to this -- Doug, do you know of any card manufacturers left? Brian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _| _| _| Brian Knittel _| _| _| Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 _| _| _| Fax: 1-510-525-6889 _| _| _| Email: brian at quarterbyte.com _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com

19 years, 4 months

Calcomp manual (was Re: pen plotters?)

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

> Message: 29 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:39:32 +0100 (MET) > From: Erik Baigar <erik at baigar.de> > Subject: Re: pen plotters? >>> >> I have a copy of "Calcomp 906/907/951/PCI Online Controller >> Installation Manual" >> in which section 3 is 'Command Descriptions' which has 49 pages of >> descriptions. >> > Hi Roger, this is exactly what I have been > looking for since I got the plotter 10 years > ago. > > In the first year I did a lot of research to > reverse engineer the basic commands so I am > able to control the basic functions of the > plotter but the more advanced features like > drawing speed, character commands, maybe > hatching commands I was unable to decypher. > > Are you willing to share this information? > Of course I'd pay for copy and shipping and > I could put the copy onto a scanner... > > Erik. Yes I can copy it for you. It is stapled so I can un-staple it and put it through the Automatic Document Feeder on the copier. Actually the copier can scan into a folder on the network server I think, though I think the resolution is fixed, either 300 or 600dpi, and its probably always 24 bit colour. That makes the files for a 200 page document a bit big. I will find out the details when I get to work and let you know so you can decide how you want it. You will need to agree that if the copyright owner were to come after me that you would destroy the copy, but I don't think that's likely. I once visited CalComp's plant in Anaheim , and there did not seem to be many people about, and when I went to the toilet, that's when I realised they were not doing well. Its surprising what you can tell from a company's toilets. Soon after it was official, (Chapter 11?). Roger.

19 years, 4 months

Best rescue I've had in the hobby so far

by richardlynch3＠comcast.net

They are rough, but with some work I think they can look decent: http://www.box.net/public/47dcog63bd More detailed pics of the first one: http://www.box.net/public/t3d0ly3yas with some of it cleaned up: http://www.box.net/public/oqs1fchyu0 I hope to get some (or all?) of the boards soon too, since they are all missing. The third machine has indications inside that it was an 1108 (LISP) workstation. I don't know if I'll be able to get hold of any software or docs yet. Richard Lynch

19 years, 4 months

pen plotters?

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

On 15 Feb, 2007, at 08:17, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > Message: 24 > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:32:02 +0100 (MET) > From: Erik Baigar <erik at baigar.de> > Subject: Re: pen plotters? > To: djg at pdp8.net > Cc: cctech at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: > <Pine.GS4.4.10.10702150728110.7126-100000 at deepspace.network- > defense-systems.com> > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 djg at pdp8.net wrote: > >> I have a Calcomp 563 drum plotter on my 8/E. >> http://www.pdp8.net/563/563.shtml (need to make a better page now >> that I have it running. Showed it at the last VCF east) > >> to demo but didn't find much. Anybody know of some good ones? >> The format > > With my Calcomp 1038 I encountered the same problem since the > plotter language PCI/906 died out and I do not have got any > documentation about this. In reverse engineering I found > out how to do the basic operations (gotoxy and pen up / pen > down) and wrote a converter progaram. To get samples my > choice was to take the hp2xx utility which is available for > many platforms. With this you can convert HPGL to a simple > gotoxy-style which is than easy to process. This saved a lot > of work on an own interpreter and you are able to plot > most of the hpgl files... > > By the way: Any documents about PCI906 ot it's successor > PCI/907 out there? > > Best regards, > > Erik. I have a copy of "Calcomp 906/907/951/PCI Online Controller Installation Manual" in which section 3 is 'Command Descriptions' which has 49 pages of descriptions. Would this help? Roger.

19 years, 4 months

requirement for use of your real name on this list?

by doug＠stillhq.com

I am comfortable with people using whatever alias they desire - There has not been a policy to date. In any case, it is not the list that defines the name, it is the 'sender' field of the persons email product... BTW, As a quiet person who has enjoyed reading the list (via digest), there has been many times when I simply hit the delete button, as a number of people were getting quite petty. I see the same behaviours amongst some of the people in other groups I am members of - It speaks volumes about the participants. :-( Just my 0.02C worth Hex Star - Well done for a quite amusing handle. Doug (For the purposes of this email - also known as >>> HACKSAW <<< , Sadly, my profession dictates that I must now change the email system back to use my name - Lest some of my clients believe that I am being unprofessional !) On 2/14/07, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote: > > > > I was wondering if we can estabish that you have to > > use your real name here? > > > > "Hex Star" stands out like a sore thumb. Everyone else > > on this list uses their real name, not a "handle". > > > > > > > > > > Your singling out of a member is not the least bit appreciated...if you intended to send me a message by doing so you failed miserably...next time try communicating with me properly and politely offlist and perhaps we can get somewhere ;-) ------------------------------ -- Doug Jackson, MAIPM, MIEEE Senior Information Security Consultant EWA-AUSTRALIA PO Box 6308 O'Connor ACT 2602 Level 1, 214 Northbourne Ave, Braddon ACT 2612 Tel: +61 (0)2 6230 6833 Fax: +61 (0)2 6230 5833 Mob: +61 (0)414 986 878 http://www.ewa-australia.com ============================================ IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of Electronic Warfare Associates - Australia. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact doug.jackson at ewa-australia.com or Ph +61 2 62306833 and delete the email. This message is not to be copied or distributed to other parties without the express permission of the author. Any personal information in this email must be handled in accordance with the Privacy Act 1988 (Cth). ============================================

19 years, 4 months

requirement for use of your real name on this list?

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

James B. DiGriz wrote: > The Commodore and Amiga BBSes were another > story. It was more like handles were required. > Maybe that was just the local scene, which was > also heavy into CB radio. My feeling: Using a real name lends a permanence and signifigance and professionalism to a post or action. Using a handle especially a CB-type or phreaker-type one subtracts permanence, signifigance, and professionalism. Expecting professionalism or signifigance on this mailing list is perhaps being too optimistic. It's wonderful to see it when it happens, but I do not expect it to happen. Tim.

19 years, 4 months

Measuring CPU speeds ( was RE: Why isn't Apple releasing patches for the Month of Apple )

by aliensrcooluk＠yahoo.co.uk

--- arcarlini at iee.org wrote: > Tony Duell wrote: > > > However, 'What is an instruction?'. I've heard i t > said that the 11/780 > > averaged 500,000 of its machine instructions per > second, but that that > > was about as much processing as 10^6 of other > machine's instructions > > The VAX-11/780 cranked out about as many Dhrystone s > as an > IBM System/370 158 which did (apparently) chew > through about > one million instructions per second. > **>> snip <<** > Antonio > Speaking of Dhrystones.... what is one? Also, what does the MHz, or GHz, measure exactly? I understand MIPS (Million Instructions Per Second), FLOPS (Floating-point Operations Per Second) and G-FLOPS (Giga-FLOPS) but the aforementioned two are a mystery to me. Regards, Andrew D. Burton aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk

19 years, 4 months

Thank you, list!

by mouse＠Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA

Just a thank-you to the list. I accidentally broke the top to a very nice filing box I've been using for years (it was designed for floppies, I think, but I now use it for paper - 8" floppies, I suspect, since an 8?" paper sheet just barely fits). Turns out acetone dissolves the plastic, and I was able to solvent-weld the pieces back together with acetone. I let it dry over the weekend and now it is all good. But I never would have thought to try that without all the discussions of such things here on the list. Hence the thanks. Neat the ways knowledge finds unexpected application! /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

19 years, 4 months

SWTPc 6800 vs. Altair 680

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: SWTPc 6800 vs. Altair 680 > From: "B. Degnan" <billdeg at degnanco.net> > Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:59:40 -0500 > To: cctech at classiccmp.org > >Are the programs from the SWTPc 6800 interchangeable with the Altair 680? >Is there a good web reference that compares these two? > Yes [it is a 6800 is both cases] and no [they are not identical for io or memory maps]. Depends on the IO and where the program runs in memory as they have slightly different memeory maps. Also if memory serves the 680 used a differnt monitor program than SWTP so any program that uses the monitor for IO or other routines are iffy. Allison

19 years, 4 months

requirement for use of your real name on this list?

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

Al wrote: > "Hex Star" stands out like a sore thumb. Everyone else > on this list uses their real name, not a "handle". There's a couple of respected folks here using handles but they've been doing so for at least a decade. The concept of "screen names" has some "classic" elements esp. w.r.t BBS's (some legit uses) and phreaking (completely non-legit but somewhat respectable in a techie sense.) I grew up not with BBS's but with E-mail lists and Usenet and had used my real name there enough that the only time I use a screen name is when I want to hide who I am, something only rarely done. Before that, it was ham radio, where using a real call sign instead of a "handle" was a way of differentiating the hobby from CB and trying to get some respect. Tim.

19 years, 4 months

Thank you, list!

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

There is a product called Cyanopoxy that was written up in the model railroad press a few years ago. It can bond materials such as nylon and delrin. I haven't tried it myself, but the reviews are favorable. It is fairly expensive, though. The link is: http://www.coolchem.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=cyanopoxy. Bob +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:45:40 -0600 (CST) From: Tothwolf <tothwolf at concentric.net> Subject: Re: Thank you, list! To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0702141442220.10748 at host10.invalid.domain> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, John Robertson wrote: > At 1:40 PM -0800 2/13/07, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> >> Great that it worked for you, but be advised that acetone will also (in >> my experience) turn some plastics into grainy mush, so it's not a >> universal solution for plastics. > > Yes, methylene chloride is the proper plastic solvent for styrene types. > Plexiglass, Lexan, and many plastics will soften with this, and bond > almost instantly. Hold for a few seconds to set, then let sit overnight > to reach maximum hardness. Doesn't dissolve the plastic other than at > the contact point. This is the stuff they use in plastic shops...along > with some other solvents. Has anyone found a solvent that will solidly weld the PC+ABS blends yet? I run into various blends of PC+ABS all the time and have yet to find anything that will work well. Methylene Chloride will melt the ABS part of the blend, but it makes a brittle joint. -Toth +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

19 years, 4 months

Why isn't Apple releasing patches for the Month of Apple Bug exploits???

by hexstar＠gmail.com

Why is it that there still has been just one patch released from Apple (that one that fixed the QuickTime exploit) to address just one of the many Month of Apple Bugs? These bugs need to be fixed and I really hope that Apple is actively working on patches for all of the exploits related to Mac OS X that the MOAB team found...is it because they're putting all their programmers energy into 10.5? If that's true they really should take a few of the programmers and assign them to making patches for these exploits...what's the chances of these exploits being fixed in 10.5? c'mon Apple...get on it already! :-(

19 years, 4 months

HP minicarts found

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Was going through all my HP paper tapes to inventory them and came across the following mini-cart cartridge tapes (the kind you use in a 264x terminal, DC100 I think). Unfortunately it is an obviously incomplete set, but thought I'd list it here in case anyone is desperate for one of them. They are all original HP labels. RTE II + III + IV, MINI-CART (PE), #1 (C) rev 1840 RTE II ONLY, MINI-CART (PE), #2 (C) rev 1840 DG 1000 CRTG #1*, MINI-CART PE FMGR, 24998-13301 (C) REV 2326 DG 1000 CRTG #2, MINI-CART PE FMGR, 24998-13302 (C) REV 1926 DG 1000 CRTG #5, MINI-CART PE FMGR, 24998-13305 (C) REV 1822 Jay West

19 years, 4 months

televideo 925 keycaps

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

I've unearthed a Televideo 925 that I'd like to put into use. The only problem seems to be a missing keycap. I forget which one at the moment. Does anyone here have a broken 925 keyboard? -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

19 years, 4 months

requirement for use of your real name on this list?

by aek＠bitsavers.org

I was wondering if we can estabish that you have to use your real name here? "Hex Star" stands out like a sore thumb. Everyone else on this list uses their real name, not a "handle".

19 years, 4 months

WTD: Fuse PROM programming algorithms

by dm561＠torfree.net

-------------Original Message: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:54:36 +0000 From: Philip Pemberton <classiccmp at philpem.me.uk> Subject: Re: WTD: Fuse PROM programming algorithms M H Stein wrote: > If you don't find 'em elsewhere, I've got Harris ('78), Intel ('76), Signetics ('78) > and National ('77) databooks in front of me. Don't know about Intersil; was looking > in the MMI book a while back, but now I can't remember where I put it down at the > time (probably the same place as the cordless phone ;) . Don't worry about the Intersil databook - Harris bought Intersil in the mid-70s (IIRC), so an older Intersil databook would probably have the same (or very similar) info to the Harris book. I'd hazard a guess that most of the PROMs from a given manufacturer will use the same algorithm, so all I really need are scans of the pages detailing that manufacturer's algorithm and pinouts. The latter I already have in the form of a file called 'promref.txt' from the old Wiretap arcade archive :) Thanks. -- -----------Reply: Scans of the Harris, Signetics, NS & Intel data are on the way to you. I think someone else on the list had the MMI data; if I find mine I'll let you know. mike

19 years, 4 months

Instrument Displays MDPM-3 nixie DPM (was Re: Service Manual/Schematics for an IBM 7861-015 modem?)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On 2/12/07, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote: > On 2/11/07, Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> wrote: > > Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > Had a good day at the Mansfield Hamfest today. I now have [a]... > > > nixie-tube panel DVM... > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > If that is a Weston 1294-series DVM (4.5 digits, TTL, fits standard 4"*1.75" > > industrial instr. panel), I can supply the schematic. > > It _is_ 4.5 digits... and does fit a standard panel opening, but > it's an MDPM-3 by Instrument Displays, Inc., of Haverhill, Massachusetts. OK... I've taken it apart to have a look... the IC dates are late 1968 - there are a few DIPs and a number of 8-pin epoxy-covered button-shaped ICs all over the innards. The DPM came with a 36-pin AMP connector with 4 wires loaded, two for power and two for input voltage. The power wires go right into a transformer at the back of the unit, leading me to suspect that it takes 110VAC, but perhaps it takes 24VAC. I have not yet powered it up - does anyone have any idea what it would take to fire it up? The nixie tubes, for those who track such things, are 3 Burroughs B-5750 7/8"(?) nixies, with a block next to them for "1", "+", and "-" (3 individual neons). The legend on the front proclaims it to be a "mini-diget dpm". I've never fiddled with a pre-LED DPM, so if anyone knows what voltage it's expecting, I can fire it up to see if it works or is merely a source of nixies. Thanks, -ethan

19 years, 4 months

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