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by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Standard Punched card is 7 3/8" x 3 ?" so find the nearest index card storage drawer size and use that. Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Roger Holmes Sent: 05 May 2007 21:14 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Punch card racks Any thoughts of where (in England) to get the metal racks of drawers which used to be used to store 80 column punched cards. There must have been thousands made but I have looked for them on eBay and no luck. I don't suppose they are still made unless they are used for some other purpose (like bank notes). I have seen some a bit bigger but they have pop rivets poking into the storage space which would damage the cards.

19 years, 1 month

Dayton, approaching fast

by marvin＠west.net

If anyone knows the spaces where they will be selling (parking), post it here and we can go and harass each other :). My guess is we won't know until the week before. Last year, Patrick Finnigan (sp?) was there and down about 100 yards >from where I was. I got a chance to meet a number of others on this list and it is really great to put names with faces! If possible, why not plan a dinner get-together on Saturday night for the ClassicCmp group! Anyone interested? I'll be there too in an easy to recognize blue Mazda van ... it has a set of piano keys on each side and back of the van along with "Schwendtner Piano Service". If anyone is into foxhunting, I've been asked to say a few words at that forum so that will be fun. I'm also planning on trying to get an informal transmitter hunting dinner going for Friday night. If anyone here is blind or sight impaired, there will be a blind ARDF event on Sunday ... see http://www.ardfusa.com for details ... and I'll be there too with a friend who will be competing. FYI, I called the Days Inn in Miamisburg earlier this week to make reservations and they still had rooms available ... didn't ask how much :), and it is only about 5 miles or so from Hara (as I recall.) Marvin, KE6HTS > From: "Jason T" > Just bought my vendor ticket and made my hotel res (a bit far away, > unfortunately, but that's what I get for waiting so long.) > > I'll be in the black Honda Element, IL plates, selling some really > useless junk if anyone wants to say "hey."

19 years, 1 month

Punch card racks

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

Any thoughts of where (in England) to get the metal racks of drawers which used to be used to store 80 column punched cards. There must have been thousands made but I have looked for them on eBay and no luck. I don't suppose they are still made unless they are used for some other purpose (like bank notes). I have seen some a bit bigger but they have pop rivets poking into the storage space which would damage the cards.

19 years, 1 month

That horrible computer foam

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

On 5 May, 2007, at 00:09, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:50:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com> > > As I have been collecting computers, I have noticed > that some pieces of equipment like printers and the > like, contain a lot of this awful foam stuff, most > likely for noise deadening. Time has caused this foam > to break down and turn to gunk, or at least a soft, > squshy material that does not spring back. For the ink jet printers, beware that when they clean their print heads, some models dump the excess ink into this foam or into something like blotting paper. The older and larger models have an excess ink bottle, and after many many hours operation they will ask you to empty that bottle. Usually this is based on a calculation of how much ink is there, rather than a level sensor, so if you tell the printer you have emptied it, but haven't actually done it, it will eventually overflow and make a real mess of you carpet. Some small printers so the same calculation of when the foam/blotting paper is fully saturated and ask you to change it.

19 years, 1 month

Mentec

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Hi All I'm a bit confused about this Mentec issue. They bought up the rights to the pdp-11 line and even produced some new boards. Now they seem to have abandoned the whole thing. I can only find one web site that could be theirs but it is very up market corporate image stuff. No mention of pdp anything. As I am in the middle of restoring some pdp-11/94's the issue around how RT11 and RSX could be made available is of much interest. If they have not sold the rights and are not pursuing the business perhaps they could help us poor pdp preservers. Rod

19 years, 1 month

That horrible computer foam

by Billy.Pettit＠wdc.com

Mr Ian Primus wrote: On the CDC drives I just picked up, the entire inside of them is covered in this foam, some of it is starting to come off, or has stuck to cables and such inside. A couple smaller chunks of it literally fell off one part of the cover, the glue only holding the particular particles of the foam to which it was attached, and the rest of the foam falling away. What is the best thing to do about this, especially in something as sensitive as a disk drive? Should I remove it? What's the best method? Is there something I can use to replace it? Also, for instance, inside the cover of the PDP-11/84, there is a thin slab of foam that has turned to crud. I plan on removing this entirely - vacuuming away what I can and cleaning the rest off with something - what will dissolve this? I know that trying to get the gunk >from IBM foam off your hands is nearly impossible. Any ideas? Thanks! -Ian -------------------------------------- Billy responds: The foam was originally for acoustic dampening. It was a dense foam without much memory. Over time it does break down into a hideous mess. The original life of the foam was specified at 5 years! I've not had much luck taking in off with the modern solvents. This is one of the times I really miss Trichloroethylene. It would really clean this stuff up. I've used GooGone with some luck. Let it soak and it peels away. There is usually a thin clear plastic film between the glue and the foam. The more stubborn glues sometimes respond to acetone. Try a really diluted type first, say fingernail polish remover, to see that it doesn't remove the paint too. There are several options to clean up a panel. 1. The easiest is clean up as much as you can and glue a new sheet of foam over the mess. You should be able to buy panels of acoustic foam in hardware stores. 2. Remove it and leave it off. But it is lots of work to get it all off. 3. Do the best clean up you can and then spray paint with a thick rubberized paint. This seals the crumbling foam and holds it place. No matter what you do, you are in for a messy stinky time. When the foam breaks down, it goes everywhere. Be sure to vacuum every place you can. Where it won't come out with a vacuum, use air pressure to blow it out - done outside the house of course. Good luck. Billy

19 years, 1 month

Dayton, approaching fast

by marvin＠west.net

I just got the wireless cell service internet that I can use from my laptop, so this would probably work. How about some clues on how to join/use/etc. this service. Tim's "trailing edge technology" is my motto as well, and I've never heard of or used these services. > From: "Jason T" <silent700 at gmail.com> > I'd suggest a group SMS text messaging service. txtmob.com is the big > one I know of, but it's failure is that you still have to send the > messages from the web page - users can't text directly to the group > from their phones/PDAs. Despite this, I created a Dayton07 group on > there that we could try to use. I have basic web services on my PDA, > but many don't. > > If anyone knows of a better system, please suggest it.

19 years, 1 month

CDC 9775 (BZ7Ex) hard drive manual sought

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

I've recently accquired a CDC 9775 hard drive. (675mb fixed media) It's going to need some cleaning to get it running, and I need to know some info on how to set it up. Most importantly, the heads are locked, and according to a warning note taped to the HDA, so is the spindle. I want to find out how to _properly_ do this. Unlocking the heads looks simple, but I don't see a spindle lock anywhere. Also, this drive doesn't use the typical little plugs to change the ID, so I am not sure how it is set. Bitsavers has the operator's manual, but I really need the service manual, or at least the installation manual. Thanks! -Ian

19 years, 1 month

need info on old eprom programmer

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

Spectrum Dynamics model 550 memory programmer. Any docs or anything else? Real old. I haven't even attacked it yet. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

19 years, 1 month

Moving heavy hardware - or why not to put big CDC drives into aChevyVenture

by dj.taylor＠starpower.net

At 03:51 PM 5/4/2007, you wrote: >> > From: Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com> >> > Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 03:55:02 -0700 (PDT) >> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >> > >> >I'm sure others have stories about loading hardware in >> >and out of vehicles... I'll post pictures later... >> > >> >-Ian > >My largest move in the smallest vehicle was 16 Sparcstations (4,5,10 >variety) + a couple boxes of cables creatively crammed, tetris-style, >into the trunk of an '84 Mercedes 240D. It wasn't until I got home >that I realized the frame was rubbing the tires when I drove :) This topic is very important to 'hobbyist' machinists. Take a look at some of the moving experiences at http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/ Doug

19 years, 1 month

That horrible computer foam

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Hi I have noticed something similar but related to the stick on feet found on the underside of many computers and periperials. They turn to the most awful semi-liquid goo. Its difficult to remove from their original position. Any that gets on hands or clothing is the devils own job to remove. Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mr Ian Primus Sent: 04 May 2007 21:51 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: That horrible computer foam As I have been collecting computers, I have noticed that some pieces of equipment like printers and the like, contain a lot of this awful foam stuff, most likely for noise deadening. Time has caused this foam to break down and turn to gunk, or at least a soft, squshy material that does not spring back. It also crumbles. IBM foam seems to be the worst, along with the foam used on Zenith PC's, turning into a tarry goo. On the CDC drives I just picked up, the entire inside of them is covered in this foam, some of it is starting to come off, or has stuck to cables and such inside. A couple smaller chunks of it literally fell off one part of the cover, the glue only holding the particular particles of the foam to which it was attached, and the rest of the foam falling away. What is the best thing to do about this, especially in something as sensitive as a disk drive? Should I remove it? What's the best method? Is there something I can use to replace it? Also, for instance, inside the cover of the PDP-11/84, there is a thin slab of foam that has turned to crud. I plan on removing this entirely - vacuuming away what I can and cleaning the rest off with something - what will dissolve this? I know that trying to get the gunk from IBM foam off your hands is nearly impossible. Any ideas? Thanks! -Ian

19 years, 1 month

Emulex P4000 Terminal servers - End of lifed - Free software!

by Moriamez.jc＠wanadoo.fr

Hello, I live in France and I am very happy seeing your message on P4000 servers end of lifed I have 2*emulex p2516 and the software is end of lifed, do you know what can i do ? thanks for all Dr Moriamez Lille France Geoff Roberts geoffrob at stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au Sun Jul 23 19:45:46 CDT 2000 a.. Previous message: Scope use... b.. Next message: Vax 6000 Ram and/or CPU Cards wanted in Texas. c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just a note to all. I have an Emulex Peformance 4000 Terminal Server I got at auction. It came without software, and initial inquiries some time back indicated that the software needed to be purchased from Emulex. Recently I inquired again of Emulex regarding this, and was informed that all Terminal/communications servers had been end of lifed, and was given details on where to download the Performance 4000 software. Thought this might be of interest to others out there who might have one of these stuck on a shelf somewhere. I have the boot file if you don't want to have to get it from Emulex. (The P4K works good too!) Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie, South Australia geoffrob at stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au netcafe at tell.net.au ICQ: 1970476

19 years, 1 month

Moving heavy hardware - or why not to put big CDC drives into aChevyVenture

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Moving heavy hardware - or why not to put big CDC drives into aChevyVenture > From: Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com> > Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 03:55:02 -0700 (PDT) > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > >I'm sure others have stories about loading hardware in >and out of vehicles... I'll post pictures later... > >-Ian My favorite was moving 18 microVAX3100s, 10 storage boxes(BA42), 5 TLZ04s, 3 uVAX2000, 14 terminals (vt320), three printers(LA100ro) and three boxes of cables. In one trip using my '72 Toyota pickup. For laughs I had it weighed and it was 1204 pounds of hardware in a half ton pickup. It was full and it took hours to load it and more hours to unload it plus the 420 mile round trip. Did it twice as that was only part of the haul. However the best move I was part of was a bunch of DEC System20s fortunately the people organizing that move had a 16ft truck and access to all the loading platforms and dollys needed. Very heavy stuff and requires a bit of foreknowledge to move. Those little details like seperating cabinets and raising the feet so the casters roll and the like. The last really big move I was involved with was helping Megan move a bunch of larger PDP11 and PDP8 systems from a home to her storage. A liftgate truck made that possible. Allison

19 years, 1 month

Recent Trenton show

by evan＠snarc.net

>>> the best knock down drag out brawl between me and E.K. That is NOT true. In reality, Chris Keegan (aka "chris m") approached our user group booth, opened his mouth, and thereby illustrated why we long ago banned him from the group. I won't get into specifics. But if I were dumb enough to fight anyone, it wouldn't be this dude: he might attack with his "puters" and "stuph". - Evan

19 years, 1 month

dec & vax stuff found....mostly manuals.... most of this is available

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Below is a list of stuff I got in the mail today. Someone didn't want it to get thrown away and I offered to pay shipping costs to get it in to collectors hands. Little did I know it was going to be $150. So I'm definitely entertaining offers on any of the items below to recoup my costs. I also just want to make sure this stuff gets to collectors. Condition - most of this stuff is in unusually good condition. Many of the dec handbooks look almost new. I probably want to keep the 11/34 printset and the unibus extender. With regards to the manuals, there are some real gems in the list - note the GT40 manuals, the 11/70 handbook, and the 68000 programming card. Let me know if there is interest. Jay --------- DEC handbooks microcomputer processor handbook 1979-80 2 microcomputers and memories 1981 2 microcomputers and memories 1982 3 microcomputer interfaces handbook 1980 2 pdp11 processor handbook pdp11/04/24/34a/44/70 PDP-11 micro/pdp-11 handbook 1983-1984 microcomputer processors 1978-1979 pdp11 peripherals handbook 1976 pdp11 peripherals handbook programming & interfacing 1973-1974 pdp11 peripherals and interfacing handbook 1972 pdp11 04/05/10/35/40/45 processor handbook 1975-1976 communications handbook 1981-82 terminals and communications handbook 1980 pdp11/70 processor handbook 1977-78 vax hardware handbook 1980-81 vax systems hardware handbook - unibus systems (vax-11/725/730/750/780/785/782, 8600/8650) Misc Books IC Op-Amp cookbook second edition, walter jung (sams) Small manuals orange minireference book RSX-11M (version 4.2) blue minireference book RSX-11M (version 3.2) PDP-11 RT-11 pocket guide Fluke 8024A operator's guide card pdp11 programming card pdp11 programming card (older blue one) pdp11/04/34/34a maintenance card RSX-11M pocket reference (ship and masefield quote on front) MC68000 16 bit microprocessor programming card Printsets 11/34a field maintenance print set MS11-L field maintenance print set VT100/VT103 field maintenance print set Manuals (2) PDP-11 Macro-11 language reference manual (2) RSX-11M/M-Plus task builder manual pdp-11/34 system users manual MS11-L MOS memory users guide DL11-W serial line unit/real-time clock option operators manual M9312 bootstrap terminator module technical manual (copy) VAX-11 run time library reference manual RSX-11M/M-Plus executive reference manual IAS/RSX-11 system library routines reference manual (with updates) RSX-11M guide to writing an I/O driver (with updates) VAX-11 record management services reference manual VAX/VMS I/O users guide volume 1 VAX/VMS I/O users guide volume 2 VAX/VMS real time users guide VAX-11 run time library users guide RSX-11M beginners guide RSX-11M/RSX-11S documentation directory RSX-11M mini-index Introduction to RSX11M Beginners guide to the DEC EDITOR (2) RSX-11M/M-Plus guide to program development DECUS C Language Sytem DECUS C compiler reference manual DECUS C Language System compiler & library software support manual DECUS C Language System utility library reference manual PML users guide portable math library DECUS C Language system RSX-11M v4.0 executive and F11ACP C Extensions library GT40 users guide (operation) GT40 graphic display terminal manual volume 1 (theory, prog, maint) GT40 graphic display terminal manual volume 2 (theory, prog, maint) RSX11M user handouts (ZX-RSX11-UR) IAS/RSX-11 macro-11 reference manual IAS/RSX-11 ODT reference manual RT-11 shoftware support manual Price lists & specs GT11 Price List Hardware KEF11-AA (four roms, 2 sets, each set is a uA1488PC and a uA1489PC) unibus dual height extender card M9312 bootstrap terminator card (roms DL, DM, DP, DKDT, and 11/04/34 diag/cons) VT100 terminal & keyboard

19 years, 1 month

Unix disk copy using dd?

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

> Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:39:48 +0100 > From: "Andy Piercy" <andy.piercy at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Unix disk copy using dd ? > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: > <fc324d390705040139q1eb6fde5udb0fd2ba0e021831 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > So basically you can only use dd to copy to a disk of the same size. > I have successfully used dd to copy a disk onto another disk of a larger size. The difference between the original disk and the new disk is unused space, but you can run the host partitioner and change that (or, if it's a newer filesystem like XFS, JFS, etc. you can extend onto the unused space). P.S. - realized that my new system for replying to a digest left several messages quite probably without any subject. My apologies. Scott

19 years, 1 month

Mentec

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

> Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 06:53:49 +0100 > From: "Rod Smallwood" <RodSmallwood at mail.ediconsulting.co.uk> > Subject: Mentec > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: > <86505602FE0FBB4CB9DE54636AA48D39022ED1 at EDISERVER.EDICONS.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi All > I'm a bit confused about this Mentec issue. They bought up the > rights to the pdp-11 line and even produced some new boards. Now they > seem to have abandoned the whole thing. I can only find one web site > that could be theirs but it is very up market corporate image stuff. No > mention of pdp anything. > > As I am in the middle of restoring some pdp-11/94's the issue around > how > RT11 and RSX could be made available is of much interest. If they have > not sold the rights and are not pursuing the business perhaps they > could > help us poor pdp preservers. > > Rod > Questions come in clusters, don't they. I'll answer this, since several people were kind enough to patiently explain it to me when I asked the same (VFAQ, but nothing listed in one place). Mentec is still around, although it looks like the PDP-11 division website is not up right now. They did make RT-11, RSX-11, and RSTS/E available for people to use in a _non-commercial_ environment under SIMH. Images for RT-11 and RSTS/E (which does have DCL now, I was operating under old information) are available from the SIMH website. I'm not sure if the RSTS/E distribution includes the RSX runtime or not. Sadly for hobbyists, the license does not extend to true hardware, only the SIMH emulator. It seems that Mentec was looking to have an expanded hobbyist program, but it was not economically viable and/or the attitude of some hobbyists was a bit off-putting. No official reason was given, but the rumors are as above. :(. 2.11BSD and v7 are available freely, though. I believe I have gotten this correct. Scott

19 years, 1 month

cctalk Digest, Vol 45, Issue 6

by compoobah＠valleyimplants.com

> From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> > Subject: MacOS 6 on BasiliskII > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.55.0705031511340.6010 at helios.cs.csubak.edu> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > I have BasiliskII installed via apt on Ubuntu. I've sucessfully read > and > installed the 6.0.8 system disks as downloaded from Apple's archive. > The > rom images I have and have tried are for a Quadra650 and a Performa. > BasiliskII doesn't like the Mac Plus rom. On boot, I get a complaint > that > this Mac is set for 32-bit addressing and that I should switch to > 24-bit > addressing (since os6 doesn't do 32-bitness). Clicking "24-bit" > doesn't > work. Does anyone here know how to get this working? > As has been said, 040 ROMS are too new for System 6, as are most Performa ROMs. If a Plus won't run, try to find a IIci to get ROM dumps. System 6 runs on almost all II series Macs (not on IIvx/vi, though- but those are rare). The IIci is quite common, which is why I suggested it (also 32-bit-clean if you should want to run System 7) (but you could use II, IIx, IIcx, SE/30, IIsi, IIfx also).

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