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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:34:37 -0500
From: "Dave Dunfield" <dave06a at dunfield.com>
Subject: Re: TESTFDC usage
<snip>
To completely test the FDC, you need to check Single, Double and
Double/128 at each of 250, 300 and 500 kbps rates. These are
represented in a standard PC at:
250 = 5.25 low-density drive only, 3.5" low-density diskette
300 = 5.25 Low-density diskette in high-density drive
500 = 5.25" or 2.5" high-density diskette
So to check all possible data rates without a 300/360 modded drive,
you need to run two tests - either the 5.25" LD and HD drives, or a
5.25" HD and 3.5" drive.
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I also wanted to do some testing but, despite our off-list correspondence,
I'm still confused:
5.25" drive, 3.5" diskette ???
2.5" diskette ???
3.5" drive - LD or HD?
Exactly what tests should be run with what size/density disk in what size/
density/speed drive in order to get a complete picture?
mike
I've been checking through the stuff I have around here and I've decided
that I have a few surplus PC mobos that I'll be getting rid of (via a
certain auction site). Before I do I thought I'd try them out with
TESTFDC
and see what it says.
I have three 5.25" drives (of currently unknown functionality) which I
could use. One is a DEC RX33, one is a Tandon TM75-8 and the last one
is a Sankyo (or that might just be the motor manufacturer :-)). I also
have whatever is sitting in my main machine, but I'm not keen to
drag that out just foir fun! I also have a few 1.44MB 3.5" drives, but
they've not been used in quite some time, so heaven knows what state
they are in.
So what do I need to do to extract the maximum useful information
about these motherboards (aside, that is, from checking that they
are not already on the list :-))? And exactly what media will I need?
Should I test both 3.5" and 5.25" (I've not tried the 300/360 mod yet;
I may do in the future, but for now I'd just like to get some
testing done)?
Anything to watch out for?
Any particular version of DOS recommended (I have 6.2? kicking around,
would FreeDOS do if that is easier to find)?
Thanks
Antonio
Hi,
> Well, I don't know whether they're "plasma/LCD" or not, but I
>find I get dramatically better picture quality out of flat-screens
>as compared to CRTs.
Well, the last two CRTs I bought are flat-screen so I'm not sure exactly
what you're getting at.
The biggest problems with LCD panels are colour registration, black
level/contrast and response time. Even with top of the range panels, their
comparatively slow response time leads to very noticable blurring when
things move around on the screen - and I'm not talking about games here, I
find this blurring totally unacceptable even when scrolling text windows,
etc.
And the colour/contrast/black level problems are a total show stopper when
I'm dealing with video....
> I don't know whether this just means every CRT I've used has been crap,
>or perhaps I *am* "profoundly blind", but even if so, in my experience
>the comparison stands.
I wouldn't have thought so, IME even the cheapest/crappest CRT is head and
shoulders above even the most expensive LCD panel. It all depends what your
expectations are....
TTFN - Pete.
Tim wrote:
> I've done it in classes taught and led and supervised by professionals
> :-).
> That doesn't make me a pro!
>
> Tim.
>
Diethyl Zinc process? Brave man...
Magnesium Oxide/perflourocarbon could work for the amateur, though.
>
> The shiny, ultra-thin paper often found in databooks actually seems to
> fare
> better than coarser "book" type paper in my experience. I'm not sure
> why -
> maybe it's more resistant to absorbing moisture from the air or
> something.
>
Moisture is a problem only if it's really high (mold predominantly,
although sizing can soften and stick pages together). The big problem
with many paperbacks is the so-called "high acid" paper with
appreciable quantities of lignin in it - the lignin changes into acid
and causes the paper to self-destruct. Think yellowing, crumbling
paperbacks...
I'm not sure what the paper of choice for databooks is, generally if a
book uses sized bond paper it's not at highest risk, but for the most
part wood paper made before the '80s will have some degree of risk (and
more modern papers that are not acid-free archival grade).
LOC (Library of Congress) has a fairly large group devoted to this
problem, and a process fior neutralization that works pretty well
(although if you do it wrong or make a mistake stuff bursts into
flame). They point out that it is "not recommended for those who are
not professionals".
A long shot I know, but does anyone have any service
docs for these things? I tentatively have 6 at the
moment! and of the lot only 1 works. Oi. Halp.
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Hi
As suspected the 5C error code during self test on my VAX 4000-300
is the missing DSSI Terminators.
So..
Does anybody have spare, or know where I can get two of DEC Part
number 12-29258-01 (DSSI Terminators)
Rod Smallwood
The DecCollector.
General book conservation techniques can be found here
http://www.philobiblon.com/gbwarticle/gbwjournalarticle.htm
My personal preference is to debind and scan. National and AMD
data books used very low grade paper, as did the people who
produced IC Masters.
Hi,
>....hard to get new CRT monitors now and the cheap LCD ones are
>rubbish!
Cheap nothing, I've never seen *ANY* LCD monitor (either fabulously
expensive or dirt cheap) which I would describe as being anything other than
diabolical! The same goes for LCD TVs too - and plasma sets aren't much
better in my opinion.
The people who buy these things must be profoundly blind if they're
satisfied with the picture quality produced by the current generations of
plasma/LCD screens, the technology simply isn't anywhere near good enough
yet.
>....We'll soon be reduced to scouring eBay for real monitors :-)
Quite, which is why I recently spend several months tracking down a very
nice, 32" wide screen *CRT* TV set; which I got for next to nothing since
the market is currently flooded with this LCD rubbish. :-)
TTFN - Pete.
> From: Dave Woyciesjes <woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net>
>
> here's a neat I device i don't recall ever hearing about...
> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/06/07/forgotten_tech_atari_portfolio/
=====================================
I had one of these beasties... It was pretty nice.
I traded it away about 10 years ago for a Apple IIC with Display.
I always wanted one of the Poquets. They looked like useful devices.
Al
Phila, PA
> I seem to remember that there was a group of people bridging their
> DECnet over TCP to connect various sites over the Internet. I can't
> seem to find them this minute.
It's called HECnet (don't blame me - I didn't think of that name :-)
We've got several dozen machines at a dozen or so locations around the world
connected, and we're happy to have more join.
To connect, you'll need either
- A VAX running OVMS and Multinet (they have a hobbyist license, and also a
DECnet-over-IP implementation). If you have multiple local DECnet machines
and your VAX is a DECnet router, then they can all play with this one
gateway.
Or
- A Un*x box of some variety running Johnny's DECNet bridge program. In
this case the Un*x box is in addition to whatever other DECnet machines you
have on your local network.
You'll also need an Internet connection (of course), and a _static_ IP.
Contact me off the list if you're interested in connecting and I'll point
you in the right direction.
Bob Armstrong
While cleaning out a storage area (indoors), I found an H3213-3400
psu and an H775-BA remote battery backup unit. As I recall, these
both came out of a Xerox 9700 controller cabinet, and the H3213 worked
when we last fired it up. The BBU hasn't had a battery pack on it in
at least 11 years (as long as I've been with the company), so I have
no idea whether or not it works.
They're both free for the taking. Pick them up, or arrange to have
them shipped. Both are fairly heavy and the 3213 is rather large.
Located in Wichita, Ks. May trade for C= 128 gear.
Thanks!
--Shaun
--
"If you live to be a hundred, I want to live to be a hundred minus
one day, so I never have to live without you." -- Winnie The Pooh
http://www.lungs4amber.org
Hello Thomas
I found an old forum where you were asking about the power connector pinout
for the IBM Plasma Display 38F4744 from an IBM P70 computer. I hope you
found the pinout because i really hope you stille have it, and would like to
send it to me? I also hope that you have the pinout for the 26 pins data
connector?
Hope you can help me!!
>From S?ren Lauridsen, Denmark
At 11:38 PM 6/6/2007, Dave Mitton wrote:
>I'd used to say that I produced the last implementation of DECnet Phase IV in PathWORKS for Windows 95.
>But these guys doing the Linux DECnet have taken that away from me.
>http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/
Circa 1991, my company made and sold a version of DECnet for the Amiga,
a licensed port of a Mac DECnet called TSSnet from Thursby Software.
Thursby's was originally written in Mac Pascal. We ported that to C
on top of the Amiga's SANA II network stack, which allowed you to
run other network stacks like TCP/IP at the same time. It worked
with X Window and included NCP, Netmail (which I wrote from scratch),
network file copy and file access listener.
- John
Out of interest (and to my shame, without googling first :-), did DEC (or a
third party) ever produce a reference listing of DEC "parts codes" against
function (e.g. RK05 = removable disk, KL11 = serial interface etc.)
I'm trying to sort out our documentation archives, and DEC seem very good at
just listing the codes as title ("DZ11-C technical manual" etc.) on a lot of
their docs - meaning I have to skim pages to get a handle on what the thing
actually is)
cheers
Jules
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:38:21 -0400
Dave Mitton <dave at mitton.com> wrote:
> I seem to remember that there was a group of people bridging their
> DECnet over TCP to connect various sites over the Internet. I can't
> seem to find them this minute.
http://www.update.uu.se/~bqt/hecnet.html
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
On 6/6/2007 06:27 PM, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:31:03 -0400
>From: "Bill Pechter" <pechter at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: DECnet and MOP
>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>On 6/6/07, der Mouse <mouse at rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > I still have copies of all the Phase IV era DNA specs.
> >
> > I don't suppose you have softcopies? Or that someone else has them
> > available for fetch?
> >
> > I'd like to have a stab at implementing DECnet. (Not because I have
> > any production use for it; just as part of my drive to understand
> > everything - nothing teaches a protocol like implementing it.)
> >
> > /~\ The ASCII der Mouse
> > \ / Ribbon Campaign
> > X Against HTML mouse at rodents.montreal.qc.ca
> > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
> >
>
>Softcopies linked to on
>http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/docs/doc_index.html
>
>--
Great pointer. That's a copy of stuff rescued from Decwrl after
Compaq took over.
I'd almost forgotten all the time spent in Runoff.
I'd used to say that I produced the last implementation of DECnet
Phase IV in PathWORKS for Windows 95.
But these guys doing the Linux DECnet have taken that away from me.
http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/
If you're interested in learning how DECnet works, that
implementation is freely accessible.
PS: There is a Debian MOP daemon here
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/mopd
I seem to remember that there was a group of people bridging their
DECnet over TCP to connect various sites over the Internet. I can't
seem to find them this minute.
Dave.
Anyone in the Seattle area looking for a 9-track tape drive project?
I have one HP 7980A HPIB and two M4 9914 SCSI/Pertec drives. These
are front loading / auto loading units. Unfortunately they need some
work to be fully functional. The problem with both M4 units may be
limited to the tach rollers not accurately rolling along with the tape
motion. I had one of the M4 units working briefly a couple of months
ago.
If anyone local wants these let me know with a private reply. These
are too big and heavy to deal with shipping.
-Glen
There are various news stories about the 30th anniversary of the Apple II
computer. My favorite story is that I had Apple II serial number 2 for
evaluation. At the time I was working at a computer store in San Mateo,
California. The owner, Chet Harris, when down to the Apple factory one
Saturday in June of 1977 and came back with the first two completed units.
(This must have been June 4.) He had sold serial number 1 to a friend of his
and I got serial number 2. After a few weeks the power supply failed and it
was sent back to Apple. Jef Raskin ended up with this unit. You can read
about it here:
http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/Apple/allied_computer.htm
Apple started selling the Apple II boards around April of 1977. They were
having problems with the plastic case, the early production units did not
have the vents on the side. You can see that in the picture of serial number
2.
http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/Apple/Jef_Raskin_Apple.jpg
A customer at the store, Bill Kelly, was doing the advertising campaign for
Apple and he got a prototype Apple II board. I built a linear power supply
for it and traded it to him for an Intel SDK-80 board. Here is his web site:
http://www.kelleyad.com/Histry.htm
Here is a page that shows the my SDK-80 board.
http://www.swtpc.com/mholley/Homebrew/Homebrew.htm
Even though I went to the Homebrew Computer club, looked at the Apple I, and
I had use of a Apple II; I have never owned an Apple computer.
Michael Holley
www.swtpc.com/mholley