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Mountain View - was UK VCF or equivalent

by Billy.Pettit＠wdc.com

Marvin Johnston writes: And that said, how many people will be attending this years VCF at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View? I have very much enjoyed being able to put faces with names, and it is a great social event as well as being educational! Since I have a great deal of stuff to sell, I plan on bringing as much as I can with me :). It will be *wonderful* when I get the workbenches cleared off and I have enough time and room to work with this stuff again. -------------------- I thought you were making progress with the TRW and Livermore swap meets. That's a couple of loads a month! Yes, I will be at Mountain View. And have already lined up a couple of people who want to see some of the old CDC machines I have. They are too heavy for the VCF, but can have visitors out to the house. Won't have much to sell. What is the VCF policy anyway? Can you do some dealing during the show? Or is it strictly show with the dealing outside or offline some where? If you can sell, what is the cost for a booth or table? Billy

18 years, 10 months

A single-board Amiga 500 clone on an FPGA

by lproven＠gmail.com

The Minimig: http://home.hetnet.nl/~weeren001/minimig.html I've read about this before but it all appears to be working now. Impressive achievement, I feel. -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat: liamproven at aol.com ? MSN/Messenger: lproven at hotmail.com Yahoo: liamproven at yahoo.co.uk ? Skype: liamproven ? ICQ: 73187508

18 years, 10 months

8085 vs 8085A

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: 8085 vs 8085A > From: "Steven Canning" <cannings at earthlink.net> > Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:11:07 -0700 > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > > >> Hi, >> >> I was looking through my collection yesterday and was testing out an old >> Intel SDK85 system. I noticed the main processor is stamped 8085, which >> means this chip is either an 8085 or the "A" was not printed properly and >> the chip is really an 8085A. >> >> I have a few 8085 systems and a box of 8085 CPUs. I checked them all and >> every one of them is an 8085A. I don't think I have ever seen an 8085, >> they've all been 8085A types. >> >> Other than the stamp on the chip, is there anyway I can tell the >difference >> between an 8085 and an 8085A? Furthermore, is the 8085 rare, and I should >> put the chip away, or is it nothing special? >> >> Why did Intel bring out the 8085A? Were there issues with the 8085? >> >> Seeyuzz >> River > > >There were multiple versions of 8085 microprocessors. The original version >of the 8085 microprocessor without suffix "A" was manufactured by Intel >only, and was very quickly replaced with 8085A containing bug fixes. A few >years after that, around 1980, Intel introduced 8085AH - HMOS version of >8085A. There was also 80C85A - CMOS version of the 8085A. It's not clear if >80C85 was ever manufactured by Intel or not, but it was produced by at least It was. Supposededly the 8085 was used to proto the intel CMOS process for the 80C48 and 80C188 and later parts. >two second source manufacturers - OKI and Tundra Semiconductor. Tundra >Semiconductor manufactured the fastest 8085 microprocessor running at 8 MHz. I have a few 8mhz intel 8085AH-2s (16mhz clock crystal) HMOSII, those are scarce but do exist. Intel did make the 8085AH (HMOSII) at 6mhz as well. >Second source manufacturers: AMD, Mitsubishi, NEC, OKI, Siemens, Toshiba. I have parts from all of them. I find the 8085 and Z80 to be good workhorse 8 bitters. Both enjoyed long sales lives. Allison >Best regards, Steven C. > >

18 years, 10 months

8085 vs 8085A

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: 8085 vs 8085A > From: "river" <river at zip.com.au> > Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:48:21 +1000 > To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >Hi, > >I was looking through my collection yesterday and was testing out an old >Intel SDK85 system. I noticed the main processor is stamped 8085, which >means this chip is either an 8085 or the "A" was not printed properly and >the chip is really an 8085A. > >I have a few 8085 systems and a box of 8085 CPUs. I checked them all and >every one of them is an 8085A. I don't think I have ever seen an 8085, >they've all been 8085A types. > >Other than the stamp on the chip, is there anyway I can tell the difference >between an 8085 and an 8085A? Furthermore, is the 8085 rare, and I should >put the chip away, or is it nothing special? 8085 (non A) is not rare but I have no data in my library for intel to suggest any differnce between the non-A and the A part. >Why did Intel bring out the 8085A? Were there issues with the 8085? 8085 was 1977 and the 8085A from what I have was soon before! Date codes suggest late 1977 (week 52 1977) for one 8085A. I suspect the differnces are processing only and they are interchangeable. I should note that I only have a few intel 8085s in ceramic and 8085As in both ceramic and plastic. So there may be insignificant process differnces. Also only the 8085A appears elsewhere (NEC, AMD) so the upgrade may be a license issue. Allison > >Seeyuzz >River >

18 years, 10 months

Mystery tape drive

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> Can anyone here identify the tape drives in this picture? Ampex TM-2

18 years, 10 months

UK retro show thoughts

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 07:01 AM 8/9/2007, Liam Proven wrote: >I've tried to make a couple of points which seem to have sunk unnoticed. >While you're all happily arguing about the comparative virtues of >various models of generator, I have pointed out that there are already >very large-scale computer shows happening in the UK on a regular >basis: the commercial LAN parties. Yes, you're right - classic computers can tag along at many sorts of events. I recently attended the Midwest Gaming Classic: http://www.midwestgamingclassic.com/ Most of the place was jammed with delightful old pinball and stand-up arcade machines, and exhibitors selling parts to rebuild the same, but they also had a side event with a display of many 70s and 80s PCs and gaming consoles. It was quite well done. There were many models I hadn't seen in person before. Some were running, some under glass. The web site reminds me that at least And both the young kids and the old-timers seemed to be enjoying that part of the exhibit. (I was baffled to see my own boys (9, 10, 12) to spend a half hour cheerfully playing Doom on a network of old G3 Macs.) It was held in several ballrooms of a hotel / conference center. Loading docks were available and apparently they handled the power concerns. For the non-USAians, Oconomowoc (pop. 12,000, my old home town) is about 30 minutes from Milwaukee (pop. ~1.7M region) in the Midwest. Exhibitors and attendees drew from Chicago as well, roughly two hours away. Gaming is huge, and there's always a game or two you can run on a classic machine, so there's historical overlap and I'm sure the gamers would be very receptive. Retro is cool and you guys are holding the keys. - John

18 years, 10 months

UK VCF or equivalent

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

This is getting boring! American law stops at the twelve mile limit anyway. Unless somebody has a trademark registered in the UK then this whole thing is nonsense. If somebody wants to organize shall we say an 'Elderly Electronics Expo' in the UK then good. Rod Smallwood -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Liam Proven Sent: 09 August 2007 12:47 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: UK VCF or equivalent On 07/08/07, Gordon JC Pearce <gordon at gjcp.net> wrote: > On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 16:28 -0700, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > Incidentally: > > > *IF* you put on an event of your own and choose to call it the > > "Vintage Computer Festival", *THEN* I will bury your event. Do what > > you like, but find your own name. > > This is why I wouldn't call it VCF or have anything to do with the US > VCFs in any case. The mere fact that someone has enough ego to go > "It's > *MY* name and if you use it I'll *crush* you, muahahahaha" puts me off > any further involvement. Actually, you have my pretty much complete agreement on that point. Saying "look, it's my name, I run a business, please talk to me about using it", fine, no problem. Saying "it's mine, you want to steal it, I will hunt you down" - well, that bespeaks some very poor things about the person making the statement. -- Liam Proven * Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk * GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 * Cell: +44 7939-087884 * Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat: liamproven at aol.com * MSN/Messenger: lproven at hotmail.com Yahoo: liamproven at yahoo.co.uk * Skype: liamproven * ICQ: 73187508

18 years, 10 months

Looking for manual for IME 86s desktop calculator

by derschjo＠msu.edu

Hi all -- My dad's had an IME 86s calculator in his office for years, since he rescued it from his school's surplus sale a dozen years back. Cool old desktop unit: 16 nixie tubes for the display, and a square root function! :) He's interested in finding a copy of the manual for it -- anyone out there have a lead? Thanks in advance... Josh

18 years, 10 months

UK VCF or equivalent

by sellam＠vintagetech.com

Ok, back again to clear up some misperceptions. 1) Yes, I am subscribed to the list, but I have message delivery turned off. I still just don't have time to plow through the dozens of messages a day this list generates. I really would like to re-join the discussion as a regular but time prevents this. 2) I do scan the archives regularly to see what people are discussing. >From time to time I chime in. Invariably, someone (willfully or otherwise) misinterprets what I say, and chaos ensues. Sigh. 3) Gordon Pearce: > I would call it something completely different if I was going to run > one. If people are going to get all precious about their valuable > trademarks then sod 'em. I'm not getting "precious". I've put a lot of time, energy and MONEY into developing the Vintage Computer Festival. If someone wants to put on an event that celebrates vintage computers, fine! More power to you!!! Just don't use the name "Vintage Computer Festival" unless it's actually organized under the tutelage of the VCF. *IF* you put on an event of your own and choose to call it the "Vintage Computer Festival", *THEN* I will bury your event. Do what you like, but find your own name. > Sellam, if you're so enthusiastic as to set up a "rival" VCF to spite > someone setting up a VCF-a-like, why not just set up a VCF in the UK? I would love to, Gordon. Perhaps you'd like to offer to be the local coordinator? As I've said numerous times previously (why do some people seem to miss this part?) I am always happy to expand the VCF to locations throughout the world, where ever there is enough interest to have an event where enough people will attend to justify the enormous commitment of time and money that is involved. I will share with you my hard won experience and secrets in pulling off a successful event, share my large list of contacts to help book speakers, help attract and organize exhibitors and vendors, get the word out through the VCF mailing list, help with advertising, and even help with financing. 4) Jules Richardson: > I suspect a lot of people will underestimate the time, money and effort > needed to organise and promote something like this. Anything making that > a little easier seems invaluable. Indeed. Between the first two events I lost something like US$5,000. Aside from some occasional monetary sponsorship throughout the years (totalling maybe US$3,000) the event is completely financed by me and/or the local coordinators. The key is to find a venue sponsor: i.e. someone that would be willing to give you a space to hold the event for free or for very cheap. Otherwise, the admission you have to charge regular attendees and the fees you would have to charge exhibitors and vendors would be too high. Even in the early days I didn't believe charging too much for admission because I want as many people to attend as possible. Admission to the VCF has always been cheap (I think the most ever charged was $15 per person per day). The matter of TIME is the bigger expense. People don't realize how many little things need to get done, and how all those little things add up to hours and days and sometimes weeks of time. As an aside, I've had numerous discussions with Jules and Adrian Graham over the years regarding a VCF UK, but so far the stars have not aligned properly due to various issues and constraints (usually those dealing with TIME). All it takes is one person to say, "I will do it". Once that happens, the ball starts rolling: a date is selected, an announcement is made, and then it's just a matter of filling the blanks. So, again, if anyone is interested, just say the magic phrase ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

18 years, 10 months

Trivia

by wbblair3＠yahoo.com

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18 years, 10 months

Looking for S-100 board documentation

by lynch610＠sbcglobal.net

Hi, I am restoring some S-100 boards and am looking for documentation. Specifically, for these S-100 boards: Bob Mullen TB-1 (bus extender with logic probe) Morrow's Microstuff MMSP2 (serial/parallel ports) Measurement Systems and Controls Inc, Model DMB-6400 (64K DRAM) Matrox ALT 512-AS (video graphics) VectorGraphics Flash-Writer (video text, *not* the Flash-Writer II) If anyone has documentation, especially schematics, for any or all of the above, please contact me. I think Herb as one of them which I will be ordering soon but the rest appear to be unavailable on the internet as best I can tell. I am able to scan documentation so if you have paper copies and could either make a copy or send me the original and I will return it as you request. I will pay for shipping, handling fees, as appropriate etc. Your help is much appreciated. Thank you in advance. Andrew Lynch PS, I posted this on comp.os.cpm but no responses yet. I will send any copies I get to the usual S-100 archives assuming I get sender's permission to do so.

18 years, 10 months

UK Classic Computer event (Was VCF UK)

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

> > If Bletchley Park might be able to do a VCF in two or three years >> time, maybe we could do something much simpler in the mean time, >> without using the VCF name. Just a get together of anyone in the UK >> with an interest in old computers and hopefully a few who would want >> to exhibit theirs. Who would be interested and about how much space, >> if any would they want? > > > My thoughts were developing along the same lines, the key question > surely is > numbers. 7 replies so far from the UK. > How many do we think would attend, and could some core events be > lined up to to ensure a worthwhile experience? I'm thinking here of > the > datacentre visits that (I think) were run from VCF Europe last year I see. Probably the biggest concentration of these in the UK is still central London, though I'm out of touch with that side of things. > and the involvement of industry alumni that the US events have > enjoyed. Many of the real pioneers (who are still alive) are in the Computer Conservation Society. Maybe we could involve them, I am a member but I don't attend meetings (except one as a speaker). > It's not like we don't have a few home-grown pioneers - Clive > Sinclair and various Acorn people spring to mind. Ah, you're talking more modern pioneers, ones of the microprocessor era. Yes indeed. Alan Sugar's probably free now :-) Just kidding. Do we have any contacts or ideas on how to contact them? Isn't it Sir Clive now by the way, we don't want to put anyone's nose out of joint >from the first contact. Roger.

18 years, 10 months

Classic-to-USB interface

by Hollandia＠ccountry.net

Does anyone make an interface card that will permit a "thumb drive" to be addressed by the classic machines? Some time ago, I had a sound card on my Packard-Bell 486SX20 machine. It plugged into the motherboard. There was no specific provision for it in the BIOS, but the CD-ROM connected to it acted like a "D" drive from Windows 3.1. I don't remember ever trying to access it from DOS, though. Perhaps, instead of being plugged into the motherboard, this interface could have the hard drive's ribbon cable plugged into it. Does anyone make such a beast?

18 years, 10 months

Semi-OT: Interesting or unusual PC Compatibles?

by jbmcb1＠gmail.com

OK, branching off another thread. There probably aren't many, but there are a few clones that I'd consider "interesting." I'd say the PCjr counts, it was a pretty strange system - the unsuccessful IIgs of the PC world. Sidecar expansion slots, IR keyboard and cartridges... The last of the PS/2's had some strange designs. The 95 was really strange - a fold-out power supply design with a spring loaded plunger power supply connector. C2 level hardware, which meant if you forgot the BIOS password you're SOL. I'd count the whole MCA based PS/2 line as a string of oddities in the PC world. There were some really odd Japanese designs as well. My favorite is the FM Townes, which was a hybrid PC and game console. It ran a proprietary OS, but could run language-localized Windows. It also had an oddball graphics system that could overlay multiple screen modes over each other, so you could play full-motion video games with text overlay.

18 years, 10 months

Help with PDP-11 Unibus Map Hardware / Software under RT-11

by bqt＠softjar.se

"Jerome H. Fine" <jhfinedp3k at compsys.to> skrev: > Hopefully, this request is clear enough to be understood. Both the > software and the hardware portion of the questions are independently > important, so please answer one aspect even if you can't help with > the other. > > Over the past 30 years of using PDP-11 software (RT-11 over 95%) > and hardware, I have never had occasion to use a Unibus system with > more than 256 KB of memory (such as a PDP-11/34). > > I would appreciate help in understanding the Unibus Map hardware which > (if I understand its purpose correctly) is to convert 18 bit addresses given > to a Unibus controller into 22 bit addresses for real physical memory for > systems like a PDP-11/84 and perform DMA from / to the hard drive. > > Also helpful would be an explanation of the related software used under > RT-11 along with exactly where the Unibus Map hardware is located > on a real DEC system (on the CPU board I presume) since the identical > CPU board is used for both the Qbus and the Unibus with both the > PDP-11/84 and the PDP-11/94. I can't answer how RT-11 do things, but I can explain the hardware side of it. First of all, the Unibus map is not in the CPU board of the 11/84 and 11/94. It's on the Unibus adapter. KT-whatever. The whole thing works in a rather simple way, actually. All Unibus devices do DMA to an 18-bit address. That can never change, so think of this 256 K of memory as a separate memory area, that don't correspond to your actual physical memory. It's all fake. Then divide this whole 256K into 32 equal sized pieces. That will give you 32 pieces of 8K memory ranges. The same as a page on a PDP-11, but that's not that relevant. :-) Now, when a device will do DMA, it will do DMA to one, or several of these 32 pages. So you'll have an 18-bit address, of which the high 5 bits tells you which "page" it will go to. The Unibus Map have 32 registers. One for each of these "pages". So the high 5 bits of the 18-bit DMA address will select a register in the Unibus map. The Unibus map will in turn give you a 16-bit value >from this. This will be the high 16 bits of a 22-bit memory address. The 13 low bits of the DMA address is added to this 22-bit address to give the final physical address to do DMA to. So, in essence, what a driver will do when a Unibus map is present, is to find some free Unibus map registers (free in the meaning that no other driver is using them, so you need to keep track of these, as a resource). Or you could statically allocate some map registers for your driver, if you prefer, and if all drivers combined don't need more than 31 map registers (I think that the last register might not be usable, but I'm not sure. It basically gives a mapping for what otherwise is the I/O page). Once a driver have decided which map register to use, that will decide what 18-bit address range to use for the DMA. So the 18-bit address is calculated >from the physical address truncated, and the address for the range covered by the map register. The map register is loaded with the corresponding physical address high bits, and then you fire the I/O. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

18 years, 10 months

IBM "Type 0667" ESDI disk information?

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

I remember the Havant IBM Disk plant. I went on a visit there once. It was one enormous clean room. The drives they made had a name - something like Eagle, Sparrow or Wren Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Sridhar Ayengar Sent: 08 August 2007 04:05 To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: IBM "Type 0667" ESDI disk information? jim wrote: > Sridhar Ayengar wrote: > >> Mr Ian Primus wrote: >> > Is there any country of origin on the 667? There was a division in > Havant that manufactured drives in this time frame, that IBM sold to > the plant managers, that is now Xyratex. If memory serves, those series were made in several different places, including California and Mexico. Probably one or two other places too. Peace... Sridhar

18 years, 10 months

IBM "Type 0667" ESDI disk information?

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

Well, I did some checking, and my one vax does _not_ have an Emulex ESDI controller - it's a Dilog. I downloaded the manual from Bitsavers. I'm going to start playing with it and see if I can get it to format some of these spare ESDI disks. One disk I have a couple of is this IBM drive. It's labeled as "P/N 90X8528 70MB ESDI", and on the side as "Type: 0667". Googleing has turned up little, although I found some info on cyls/heads/sectors. There is a block of dip switches on the drive, and it would be nice to figure out what they do... -Ian

18 years, 10 months

Weird IBMs

by wdonzelli＠gmail.com

OK, folks, - IBM 580 and 581 tape units. Any ideas? From the description I received, they sound like they are 60s era. That is all I know. -- Will

18 years, 10 months

IBM Card punch on ebay

by silent700＠gmail.com

Not mine, just spotted it in a search: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150149167422

18 years, 10 months

dead nicd charger

by brad＠heeltoe.com

I'm going to risk the rath, but I just know someone on this list has delt with this. After replacing my Ryobi 14.4v nicd charger 2 times (yes 2), I discovered I have a dead battery and it's killing the charger(s). Apparently it can do this rather quickly, as I only left it on the charger for about an hour. (one web site says it only takes a matter of minutes - apparently the cheapo charger does not protect itself) So, ok. Since I have 2 dead ones I might as well try to fix it. It just as a simple circuit board with a rectifier, 4 devices, 3 leds and bunch of discretes. Q1 A1015 PNP transistor (2SA1015) Q2 2N3904 NPN transistor Q3 XL08 ST 40 .8A SCRS Q4 X0403DE ST SCR Anyone ever fix one? what fails? I'm going to guess the big to-225 style SCR failef, since I'll bet that modulates the current to the battery. -brad

18 years, 10 months

What's a Heath controller board 85-2222-1

by tpeters＠mixcom.com

I have a Heath controller board, 85-2222-1. I think that's an RX01 or RX02 controller for DEC. I was using it with my Shugart 801. Anyone know what it actually is and if it has any value? -T ----- 205. [Philosophy] Life: a sexually transmitted disease that is fatal. --... ...-- -.. . -. ----. --.- --.- -... tpeters at nospam.mixcom.com (remove "nospam") N9QQB (amateur radio) "HEY YOU" (loud shouting) WEB: http://www.mixweb.com/tpeters 43? 7' 17.2" N by 88? 6' 28.9" W, Elevation 815', Grid Square EN53wc WAN/LAN/Telcom Analyst, Tech Writer, MCP, CCNA, Registered Linux User 385531

18 years, 10 months

[personal] cctalk Digest, Vol 48, Issue 14, message 11

by mike＠brickfieldspark.org

> Message: 11 > From: Adrian Burgess <classiccmp at discordance.org.uk> > Subject: Re: UK Classic Computer event (Was VCF UK) > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >> Can we have a quick poll to see who lives where? > > Half way between Nottingham and Lincoln. > UK, Aldershot, Hampshire Mike.

18 years, 10 months

DOuble-stepping BBC drives

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

I should know this, but I can't easily find the answer... I have a BBC B+ with (1770)DFS (V2.x)( and ADFS (V3.5x) (or at least I think those version numbers are right). It is cabled up to a single 80 cylinder double-sided disk drive. I wish to read some files of a 40 cylinder (DFS) disk. I seem to remember there was a command that would cause the drive to double-step, but only allow reading. What is it? -tony

18 years, 10 months

8085 vs 8085A

by river＠zip.com.au

Hi, I was looking through my collection yesterday and was testing out an old Intel SDK85 system. I noticed the main processor is stamped 8085, which means this chip is either an 8085 or the "A" was not printed properly and the chip is really an 8085A. I have a few 8085 systems and a box of 8085 CPUs. I checked them all and every one of them is an 8085A. I don't think I have ever seen an 8085, they've all been 8085A types. Other than the stamp on the chip, is there anyway I can tell the difference between an 8085 and an 8085A? Furthermore, is the 8085 rare, and I should put the chip away, or is it nothing special? Why did Intel bring out the 8085A? Were there issues with the 8085? Seeyuzz River

18 years, 10 months

Oscilloscope demo fresh from Assembly

by trixter＠oldskool.org

Thought you'd get a kick out of this: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=31592 It's an entire demoscene-style demo done on an oscilloscope. -- Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org) http://www.oldskool.org/ Help our electronic games project: http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ A child borne of the home computer wars: http://trixter.wordpress.com/

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