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Any Microchannel collectors around here?

by lproven＠gmail.com

I ask 'cos amongst much other junk, I have a largish box full of MCA cards that I'd like to get rid of. If this isn't the place, I welcome recommendations of elsewhere to ask! Most are some kind of audio/video thing - lots of BNC connectors. A couple of elderly NICs and things, too, I think some 8514/a adaptors, maybe some SCSI cards... -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat: liamproven at aol.com ? MSN/Messenger: lproven at hotmail.com Yahoo: liamproven at yahoo.co.uk ? Skype: liamproven ? ICQ: 73187508

18 years, 9 months

VAXstation 3100 FB problem

by Peter.Coghlan＠EUROKOM.IE

Hi Tore, I am only catching up on my email now after a weeks absence. > >Hello, I've got a VAXstation 3100 (Thanks, Peter Coghlan!) that I You're welcome. I Hope you didn't have any problems transporting the machine home. If you have any friends / family / colleagues etc coming to Ireland that would be willing to transport the X.25 stuff - send them my way. >recently acquired while on holiday in Ireland. There is a problem I'm >having with it - the 8-plane colour display controller is giving me an >error message on startup: > >?? 4 00D0 0016.0052 > >When I run test 4 on the Chevron prompt I get: > >>>> test 4 > >4?.. > 84 FAIL > >and when I try test 50 I get > >(...) >?? 8PLN 0016.0052 >(...) > I have never come across any documentation for the 3100 that goes into enough detail to explain these codes. However, the card can also be used in a Vaxstation 2000 and the firmware in a VS2000 appears to be very similar to that in a VS3100, so I had a look in my Vaxstation 2000 and Microvax 2000 Maintenance guide which does have some details. It suggestes that 0016 is the status from the test and says that this can be ignored! It goes on to say that 005 means "ID data bus" and 2 means an error (as opposed to "no error" or "informational"). Unfortunately, I don't know what "ID data bus" could mean. > >Does anyone know what could be ailing my new toy? The machine will run >perfectly using the mono adapter, though VMS 7.3 will crash hard when >trying to access the device (starting the X server). > When I tried it last, it produced an error during the power up self tests (probably the same error you are getting) but it was possible to ignore the error and boot VMS and use Decwindows without any apparant problems. Its possible that the version of VMS/Decwindows you are using is more sensitive that the one I had. I will see if I can find out what version it worked ok with. I suspect it was V6.something. Regards, Peter.

18 years, 9 months

Personality modules for Heathkit 4801 EPROM Programmer?

by sellam＠vintagetech.com

I don't suppose anyone knows where one can get a set of personality modules for the Heathkit 4801 EPROM Programmer? A manual would be nice also ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

18 years, 9 months

wtd: Tandy 3000 *any version* and a 6000

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

preferably the *real* 3000. I'll dig as much change as there is in my pocket or trade for something. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/

18 years, 9 months

Close rattle-can paint match to 1990's HP beige?

by cclist＠sydex.com

All, I've got some cosmetic touchup to do on an HP cabinet (rust showing in a few scratches). It's not a big job, so I've been considering a coat or two of a rattle-can paint. I'm guessing that said cabinet is late 1980s--early 1990s vintage. Has anyone been in this situation before? Does anyone have any recommendations on a suitable brand and item number for said paint? Thanks, Chuck

18 years, 9 months

HP2627A, HP82109M

by useddec＠gmail.com

I recently picked up 2 HP2627A (Feb 85),both missing covers, one missing the two boards in the rear, and a HP82901M flexible disc drive. If anyone has any interest, please contact me off list. Thanks, Paul

18 years, 9 months

Personality modules for Heathkit 4801 EPROM Programmer?

by Billy.Pettit＠wdc.com

Sellam Ismail wrote: I don't suppose anyone knows where one can get a set of personality modules for the Heathkit 4801 EPROM Programmer? A manual would be nice also ;) -- Sellam Ismail ---------------------------- I've been looking for over a year for this information. So far, no luck. If you find anything, I would love to have a copy. Billy

18 years, 9 months

DEC Rainbow Hard drive.

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

The Rainbow in question was owned from new by a DEC employee. The system is marked PC100-B3 and displays Version 05.03E In other words about as up to date as you can get. Apart from the ageing VR201 with blue spot face plate mould it runs cool and quiet. It's a very good example and only lacks a VR241 colour display. I think I have most of the software that ever ran on a Rainbow under CP/M or MSDOS. -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Armstrong Sent: 30 August 2007 18:06 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: DEC Rainbow Hard drive. > Just because we are on the subject already. > > What is the last version of the firmware ? I can't remember exactly, but the 100A was definitely 4.xx series (maybe 4.12?) while the 100B was definitely 5.xx series (maybe 5.03A). I've never seen different values on any Rainbow, though, suggesting that the boot roms were finalized before manufacturing started and never again updated. Could be wrong, though. Some Rainbow's have different character set ROMs, like the Technical Character Set ROM, but that doesn't change the firmware version on the boot menu. -Jeff jba at sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

18 years, 9 months

Lonesome Minicomputer Owner

by c.cooke21＠ntlworld.com

Hi William, I worked extensively on the 316 516 416 and 716 minicomputers for Honeywell in the UK and have only just seen your article. Do you still own this incredible 16 bit mini? Please let me know.

18 years, 9 months

HP DraftMaster I

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

> From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> > >> Which port are you using, serial or parallel? > > With a Draftmaster I? No, you got me. My mind had strayed forward to the HP DesignJets (large format ink jet printers) where a higher data rate was very useful, and back to several other manufacturers such as Watanabe (Graphtec) and a whole host of others. For some reason HP stuck with serial and HP-IB. I can't remember which was their first parallel plotter, maybe the electrostatic model (HP7500?) which could emulate a pen plotter using HP/GL or take semi vector data plus raster fills using HP-GL/2 and proper raster with RTL as well I think. Now that must be a rare animal now, and probably difficult to get consumables for. At least it never dropped ink on the floor, we still have big patches of yellow and magenta on the carpet in the office which leaked out from another electrostatic we borrowed to write a driver for. Very clever engineering which cut paper off a roll, wrapped it around a big drum, plotted the four colour passes and ejected the paper. It just got bored if you didn't use it for a few weeks and got incontinent. Can't remember the name.

18 years, 9 months

HP DraftMaster I

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

>From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> >Subject: Re: HP DraftMaster I >On 8/29/07, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: >> The usual problem is getting the right cable to connect it to the SERIAL >> port of the computer. Joe Campbell's "The RS232 Solution" will teach you >> what you need to know to make the cable. >I'd wager at first approximation, the usual difficulty is hardware >handshaking, or lack thereof. >> If you connect a serial device to the parallel port of the computer, you >> are likely to do some damage. >!!! >The fast way to turn Light Emitting Diodes to Smoke Emitting Diodes. ;-) >I've seen people toast parallel port dongles by stuffing them onto a >Mac-style DB25 SCSI port before, but I've only seen serial-parallel >confusion with the Amiga 1000, since they a) chose the opposite >connector gender from PCs (DB25M for parallel, DB25F for serial), >_and_ b) ran power over the serial and parallel connectors (along with >some unusual signals like clock and system reset) which _was_ handy >for, say, a host-powered voice-mail modem, but not so handy for trying >to attach an ordinary printer over a cheap PC cable. Watch out for some AT&T 6300 PCs that used a DB25 for the monitor cable and supplied power to the monitor (at least +12V) through the same cable. A good way to convert an LED into an EED (Epoxy Emitting Diode). As to the HP plotter, I think I have cabling instructions for using it with AutoCAD on a PC in my copy of the AutoCAD 2.18 setup manual. Bob

18 years, 9 months

building a machine room

by legalize＠xmission.com

OK, I know some of you have done this -- Henk with his brick PDP machine room in the Netherlands, at least! Looking more closely into the power and other environmental requirements for my Onyx2 and other rack SGI systems, it seems prudent that I shouldn't attempt having these systems up and running without the appropriate environment. Fortunately the electrical isn't too bad -- 220 VAC, single phase. Its more the cooling and ducting part that has me wondering. At the moment, I'm not concerned with creating a building. I'm wondering more about what would it take to build a "machine room" inside an existing structure. Naturally, we're talking about building this on a "collector" budget and not what you would do if money were no object. Assume you have something like a warehouse with a concrete floor but no warehouse-wide cooling situation. Is it feasible to build a small climate controlled room inside this larger structure? Where do you get the necessary A/C equipment for such a thing? -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

18 years, 9 months

EPROM emulators (was Re: newbie building a scratch-built computer)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

On 8/5/07, Brad Parker <brad at heeltoe.com> wrote: > If you're talking about eprom emulators, "back in the day" I used to > use a device called a "PROMICE". Got one of those myself. It's a verrrry niiice. ;-) > It was wonderful. I did a few different boot proms with one. Very handy. > It was made by (I think) Grammer Engine. Try www.promice.com. But > gosh, they do seem more expensive now that I remember... Yes... Grammar Engine makes the PromICE. I've known Arvind since before he made his first ROMulator (22 years ago). He was the design engineer for the COMBOARD-I, the first model of 68000-based HASP and 3780 engine from Software Results. Arvind's a great guy to work with, and makes solid products. If anyone on the list ever ends up with a PromICE, I think you'll be really satisfied with it. -ethan

18 years, 9 months

test - please ignore

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Test, please ignore. Jay West

18 years, 9 months

SWTPC 6800 / 6809

by rborsuk＠colourfull.com

Hi All, I've decided to eBay my SWTPC 6800 system which was upgraded years ago to a 6809 CPU board. Complete with disk controller and bunches of memory (for the time). I just don't have the time to give it the TLC it needs. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300146415357 Rob Rob Borsuk email: rborsuk at colourfull.com Colourfull Creations Web: http://www.colourfull.com

18 years, 9 months

Gooey rollers again.

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: Gooey rollers again. > From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:15:58 +0100 (BST) > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > >> >and not end up the size or shape you expect. >> >> Actually is fairly easy once you know how. You need a lathe and a rotary >> grinder with the right wheel (correct abrasive). Rather than using the > >What you're describing is known as a 'toolpost grinder' over here. It's a >fairly standard (if expensive) lathe add-on. My description was for the non-machinist amoung us. > >> usual tool (cutting edge) you apply the grinder mounted on the cross peice >> so than you abrade away the urethane, silicone rubber or whatever flexible >> material is used. The process is slow but with care you get excellent >> results. Learned than from a machinest that was really good. > >It works very well (and it's usef for getting very accurate results on >metal too, you can take a much finer cut with a toolpost grinder than you >can with a normal lathe tool). Yep, I used to use that for post finishing oil hardend stainless steel parts. Heat can distort parts so some post finishing is needed for precision work. >Apart from the cost, the other disadvantage is that abrasive dust goes >everyway, including into the 'ways' of the lathe. If you don't clean it >out very carefully, you will do a lot of damage. If the roller (machined part) is rubber it can make a mess as well. When doing metals coolent was always used and that tended to wash abrasives down but rubber tended to clog the pumps and tubes. Major cleanup job. I used to get the opportunity to use the big Monarch lathe for that job as the head machinist knew if I wanted to use the vertical mill or anything for my projects I'd clean it to his specifications without complaint before and after. I rigged a vacuum setup to pick up the waste for him that worked well. Fair trade in my mind! Allison

18 years, 9 months

HP DraftMaster I

by padamsdesign＠mweb.co.za

Hi Me have a big problem connecting a plotter to a computer, no1 is able to help me. Hopefully you can. I have a draftmaster 7595A deeply appreciated if you would offer your help. From: Ambrose

18 years, 9 months

Tube or not Tube( is this the answer.)

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Hi All With regard to changing the tube in the VR201 and following the advice I had been given. I set about locating a replacement tube. I opened up half a dozen Dec and HP terminals. All with the same result. In all cases the EHT connector was on the short side of the tube and the tube had mounting lugs attached to a metal band arount the front of the tube. Contrast this with the VR201 which has the EHT connector on the long side and a wire frame arrangement to hold the tube in. Comments welcome Rod Smallwood The DecCollecctor

18 years, 9 months

DEC Rainbow Hard drive.

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Hi The MSDOS Hard Drive partition utility on the DEC Rainbow gives you two partitions( E and F.) There's no choice, that's what you get. However neither E nor F are on the boot list. So the question is "How do I set the partitions to C and D and make C: bootable?" Rod Smallwood

18 years, 9 months

Gooey rollers again.

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: Gooey rollers again. > From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:23:07 +0100 (BST) > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > >> >> I picked up a nice Decision Data model 8010 keypunch machine through >> govliquidation. >> It looks to be in good shape EXCEPT some rollers have turned to goo. >> They act just >> like peanut butter, looks like it too. These are not simple round >> rollers but are tapered, >> and there are 16 of them in a complex arrangement. Any ideas on how to >> fix them? >> I guess I'm going to have to find some suitable plastic and turn them on >> a lathe. Probably >> beyond my ability. > >Turning flixible materials is not easy, the darn stuff tends to distort >and not end up the size or shape you expect. Actually is fairly easy once you know how. You need a lathe and a rotary grinder with the right wheel (correct abrasive). Rather than using the usual tool (cutting edge) you apply the grinder mounted on the cross peice so than you abrade away the urethane, silicone rubber or whatever flexible material is used. The process is slow but with care you get excellent results. Learned than from a machinest that was really good. The real trick is getting basic materials to make said rollers even if they are the wrong length and shape but larger. Allison > >I've heard that cooling it to dry ice temperature helps. Liquid nitrogen >is too cold, the stuff then behaves like glass and just shatters. > > >Another posibility would be to make a mould and cast new parts using one >of the 2-part synthetic elastomers. The name 'Devcon' seems to ring a >bell for this, maybe a google search will find something. There's a book >entitled something like 'How to cast small metal and rubber parts' that >covers this, it's aimed at the classic car restoration gugs, but the >principles should be the same :-) > >-tony

18 years, 9 months

Anyone got a small VAX going spare?

by lproven＠gmail.com

A few years ago, a friend of mine gave me a MicroVAX - I think a 3100. I never got round to doing anything with it, then he asked for it back, pending giving me a newer, better machine - but then his life went a bit pear-shaped and he lost his entire collection, leaving me VAXless. It now emerges I have an urgent need to polish up my VMS knowledge, which is a good excuse. I was thus wondering if anyone in England - ideally, around the SE - had any spare VAXen they might part with for an impoverished fellow-hobbyist? I don't really need disks - I have a small stockpile of SCSI drives and maybe even some ESDIs somewhere. It does need to be otherwise running, though. I have SCSI CD-ROMs available and a Hobbyist CD somewhere. In the meantime, I'll try SIMH, but I'd much prefer real hardware if possible. In an ideal world, I would really love an old VAXstation. I used to rather like DECwindows and would love to play with it again... -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lproven at gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884 ? Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat: liamproven at aol.com ? MSN/Messenger: lproven at hotmail.com Yahoo: liamproven at yahoo.co.uk ? Skype: liamproven ? ICQ: 73187508

18 years, 9 months

DEC Rainbow Hard drive.

by RodSmallwood＠mail.ediconsulting.co.uk

Thanks ... 60 year old brains forget more than they remember. Needless to say it all came back to me and now it boots off the hard drive just fine. Thanks Rod -----Original Message----- From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Armstrong Sent: 29 August 2007 14:14 To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: DEC Rainbow Hard drive. > The MSDOS Hard Drive partition utility on the DEC Rainbow gives you > two partitions( E and F.) There's no choice, that's what you get. > However neither E nor F are on the boot list. > So the question is "How do I set the partitions to C and D and make C: > bootable?" On a Rainbow, drives C and D always refer to the third and fourth floppy drives. Your hard drive is set up properly right now. To boot from the hard drive, you'll need to choose 'W' for Winchester hard drive at the boot menu. If you are using a Rainbow 100-A, this option is not present in the boot menu, and you're out of luck as far as booting to the hard disk is concerned (I beleive). If you have a 100-B or 100+ (which is just a B anyway), The W option should be present on the main menu. SImply select W and another menu may or may not appear allowing you to choose which partition to boot from. You can quickly tell if you have a 100 A or B by either: 1. Looking at the model number on the back of the unit near the power plug (PC-100-A is a Rainbow 100 A, PC-100-B or -B2 is obviously a Rainbow 100 B) 2. Looking at the firmware version on the boot menu ( Version 4.XX or less is a Rainbow 100 A, Version 5.XX or higher is a 100 B). Hope this helps! -Jeff jba at sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

18 years, 9 months

INS4004D in Pro-Log M900 PROM Programmer

by dm561＠torfree.net

---------------Original Message: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:19:06 +1000 From: "river" <river at zip.com.au> Subject: Re: INS4004D in Pro-Log M900 PROM Programmer Hi, <snip> Of course, I could get side-tracked and just use my expanded AIM65 system - as it has all the monitor/debug software, enough IO ports and the built in display...... ;) <snip> Seeyuzz River ------------Reply: As a matter of fact, the AIM is perfect for programming 2716 & 25/2732 EPROMs; the 24V printer supply is OK for Vpp (and the printer also comes in useful) and of course there's RS-232 for up/down-loading. With an adapter you could even do larger EPROMS 32K at a time. The first thing I did with my first AIM was to homebrew some battery-backed RAM (no Dallas NVRAMs in those days) and an EPROM programmer: an 8212, a ZIF socket and a switch to turn Vpp on/off is all I used, and it plugs nicely onto the expansion connector. I still use the AIM for reading and/or editing ROM images, although better programmers have taken over that function. Later Rockwell also published schematic and software for an EPROM burner add-on, but it had a few more parts than my minimalist version. m

18 years, 9 months

Tektronix 4002 Terminal found

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Here is the card inventory of my terminal: (left card cage front-to-back) TC1 Keyboard Logic TC2 Output Data Selector -- empty slot -- TC4 Scratch Pad Control TC5 Scratch Pad -- empty slot -- TC7 Control Function Decoder TC8 Char Rotor Bypass TC9 Y DA TC10 Y Data Register TC11 IN OUT Data Routing TC12 X Data Register TC13 X DAC TC14 Internal Data Routing TC15 Scan Control TC16 Char Gen Mem -- empty slot -- TC18 Plot Control TC19 I/O Control (right card cage front-to-back) Parallel to Serial Converter Serial to Parallel Converter TTY Port Timing TTY Port Level Conv. (the ejector tabs of the last two boards are yellow and have the words "Do not remove card with power on" on them). The cards all seem to be coded with gaps between their contact fingers so they can't be installed backwards or into the wrong slot. I think I can risk the guess that the missing cards would carry the designations TC3, TC6 and TC17. David Gesswein <djg at pdp8.net> wrote: > I have the 4002A drawer unit and keyboard maintenance manual. I don't > have the monitor manual. I also have the 611 monitor manual. Not sure > how close either will be to your unit. The 4002A looks similar to the > picture online. It will be a couple weeks before I can scan them if they > are useful. The 4002A maintenance manual should be correct for my unit (it has that designation on the back). Thanks for offering to scan it, it would of course be nice to have it available in digital form. If the missing cards are necessary for the operation of the terminal, I'm afraid I won't be able to do much about it in the foreseeable future. So long, -- Arno Kletzander Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen www.iser.uni-erlangen.de GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail

18 years, 9 months

DEC Rainbow Hard drive.

by jba＠sdf.lonestar.org

> The MSDOS Hard Drive partition utility on the DEC Rainbow gives you > two partitions( E and F.) > There's no choice, that's what you get. However neither E nor F are on > the boot list. > So the question is "How do I set the partitions to C and D and make C: > bootable?" On a Rainbow, drives C and D always refer to the third and fourth floppy drives. Your hard drive is set up properly right now. To boot from the hard drive, you'll need to choose 'W' for Winchester hard drive at the boot menu. If you are using a Rainbow 100-A, this option is not present in the boot menu, and you're out of luck as far as booting to the hard disk is concerned (I beleive). If you have a 100-B or 100+ (which is just a B anyway), The W option should be present on the main menu. SImply select W and another menu may or may not appear allowing you to choose which partition to boot from. You can quickly tell if you have a 100 A or B by either: 1. Looking at the model number on the back of the unit near the power plug (PC-100-A is a Rainbow 100 A, PC-100-B or -B2 is obviously a Rainbow 100 B) 2. Looking at the firmware version on the boot menu ( Version 4.XX or less is a Rainbow 100 A, Version 5.XX or higher is a 100 B). Hope this helps! -Jeff jba at sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

18 years, 9 months

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