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by aek＠bitsavers.org

I've been grinding through the stack of early 80's Wang VS docs William Donzelli loaned me, and was wondering how many people have these systems in their collections, and if there was any later docs or software out there. Seemed like a fairly decent system midrange system.

18 years, 2 months

abandoned Sun facility

by korpela＠ssl.berkeley.edu

Actually, it looks like the abandoned Pabst brewery has more interesting electronics in it. I wonder if there's something interesting behind the control board that has the temperature and humidity chart recorders on it. Anyway, there's at least a VT100 (I think. Can't read the number) there. http://www.abandonedbutnotforgotten.com/Abandoned%20Pabst%20Brewery.htm On Feb 6, 2008 3:36 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: > At 5:59 PM -0500 2/6/08, Roy J. Tellason wrote: > >http://www.abandonedbutnotforgotten.com/sun_microsystems.htm > >

18 years, 2 months

ebay seller "dlcs3"

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

Has anyone here noticed this guy on ebay, claiming to have a "warehouse" of stuff in New Jersey? I know that's relatively close to some other MF nuts on this list (well, much closer than Indiana, anyways) so I though I'd see if anyone had gone to see what he had in his "warehouse". The stuff he has listed right now doesn't look all that interesting, but it's hard to tell from the dark, small pictures of smoked plexiglass rack doors, what's inside the rack... Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCAC --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

18 years, 2 months

error with tapecopy writing, buffer to small ??? Fixed

by g-wright＠att.net

Thanks everyone well I was trying to write with a corupt tape image file. I guest it was too late at night for the brain cells..... tried another file and it worked fine. I had been reading a lot of bad tapes that where sticking on the rollers as they reverse I thought I had deleted all of the bad files but I must have missed one. The file was Only was 8k in size ?? - Jerry

18 years, 2 months

Emulex QD34 question

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

So, I've got a question about the Emulex QD34 QBUS SMD controller (yes, like the one on ebay right now, which the seller claims is "SCSI"). It appears to have a S-BOX mounting bracket/dist panel on it, with some annoying "inverted" high-density connectors on it (like the HD50 connectors used for DSSI). I'm wondering if it's possible to pull the bracket off the card, and if there's some sane-looking IDC connector headers (like the normal 20 and 60 pin ones on an SMD drive) that one can get to. Thanks, Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCAC --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

18 years, 2 months

ebay seller "dlcs3"

by evan＠snarc.net

Yeah, we're in the process of checking that out here in Jersey. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Finnegan <pat at computer-refuge.org> Subj: ebay seller "dlcs3" Date: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:53 pm Size: 611 bytes To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Has anyone here noticed this guy on ebay, claiming to have a "warehouse" of stuff in New Jersey? I know that's relatively close to some other MF nuts on this list (well, much closer than Indiana, anyways) so I though I'd see if anyone had gone to see what he had in his "warehouse". The stuff he has listed right now doesn't look all that interesting, but it's hard to tell from the dark, small pictures of smoked plexiglass rack doors, what's inside the rack... Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCAC --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

18 years, 2 months

Unibus SMD controller available?

by pat＠computer-refuge.org

I'd like to pick up a UNIBUS SMD controller for a project I'm working on, Emulex would be best, but other brands are acceptable. MSCP support would probably be the easiest to work with, and support of E-SMD isn't required but would be a nice extra. :) Pat -- Purdue University ITAP/RCAC --- http://www.rcac.purdue.edu/ The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org

18 years, 2 months

apple stuff still for sale

by spliffrd＠inch.com

I have a ton of old apple stuff for sale, trade or maybe even free if you've got a project you're working on and need something apple. I also have a ton of other computer parts..cases, mobos, processors, nic cards, graphic cards, memory, drives etc to build stuff that I really want to get rid of/donate to the right person. I need to clear out my loft and i really dont want to trash it all. I'm in Bushwick Brooklyn near the Morgan Ave stop on the L train. email Matt spliffrd at inch.com and lets arrange a time for you to come see my stuff.

18 years, 2 months

my old machines in France

by nierveze＠radio-astronomie.com

hello everyone ,maybe you will be interrested on the page I have built (in french) about a very old french computer ,a that multi4 from intertechnique (1972)I have here at home ,in perfect condition,I did not find another one until now.It seems a 'clone' of microdata1600 The url: www.radio-astronomie.com/multi4.htm also on www.radio-astronomie.com/info.htm ,you will find pictures of our vaxes,pdp and all other oldthing I hope you will like this best regards alain nierveze

18 years, 2 months

Seattle-area computer recycler.. saves classic hardware?

by feedle＠feedle.net

I don't know if this has been mentioned or noticed by members of this list, but I got a pleasant surprise the other day when I stopped by the Re-PC store near Southcenter. Sometime in the last few months, they seem to have started pulling out the "best" of the junk and (most importantly) keeping it as complete as they got it. When I was there earlier this week, they had a C-16 _IN THE BOX_, a couple of complete VIC-20 systems (including disk drive, printer, datasette), a couple of Apple //c's, two shelves of software, and another shelf of various accessories (a lot of Atari 8-bit stuff, oddly enough no Atari 8-bits). Prices were reasonable.. I think, for example, the complete VIC-20 systems were going for $30-$40. Somebody who knows something about classic equipment is obviously working there, as the stuff is getting as close to the "white glove" treatment as you could possibly give it in that environment. I did not see anything similar in the other Re-PC store "downtown". Just something interesting to share...

18 years, 2 months

WTB: DEC BA11-MA

by ron_of_america＠yahoo.com

Hello Dave! I think we have a few BA11-MA or BA11-SA's here still. They'd be BNIB. Ron ------------ Anybody have a spare DEC BA11-MA chassis in good shape with the red pdp11/03 label on the front? -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

18 years, 2 months

PDP-11/40 for sale

by wacarder＠earthlink.net

The YouTube URL should not have a period on the end. The correct URL is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIsZVqhaneo Thanks, Ashley -----Original Message----- >From: Ashley Carder <wacarder at earthlink.net> >Sent: Feb 9, 2008 11:18 PM >To: cctalk at classiccmp.org >Cc: wacarder at usit.net >Subject: PDP-11/40 for sale > >Ok, I've reached maximum capacity in my shop, so I'm starting a little downsizing. If anyone is interested in obtaining a working PDP-11/40 system in a short DEC rack, I have just put one up for sale on eBay, item #250214591120. I did a short video today showing me toggling in a program using the front panel, then running the program, halting it with the HALT switch, then continuing execution with the CONT switch. I've loaded the video and the program listing to YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIsZVqhaneo. Even if you're not interested in buying the system, you'll likely find the video interesting. > >Ashley >http://www.woffordwitch.com >

18 years, 2 months

PDP-11/40 for sale

by wacarder＠earthlink.net

Ok, I've reached maximum capacity in my shop, so I'm starting a little downsizing. If anyone is interested in obtaining a working PDP-11/40 system in a short DEC rack, I have just put one up for sale on eBay, item #250214591120. I did a short video today showing me toggling in a program using the front panel, then running the program, halting it with the HALT switch, then continuing execution with the CONT switch. I've loaded the video and the program listing to YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIsZVqhaneo. Even if you're not interested in buying the system, you'll likely find the video interesting. Ashley http://www.woffordwitch.com

18 years, 2 months

Microsoft BASIC on CP?M

by cclist＠sydex.com

> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:34:34 -0500 > From: "Richard A. Cini" <rcini at optonline.net> > Ive encountered a devilish problem with MBASIC running on CP/M. Ive > completely rebuilt my IMSAI disk system and so far, the only program Ive > not been able to get to work is BASIC. Does anyone recall if BASIC > directly messed around with CP/M or anything weird like that? Even if I > limit the assumed memory size with the /M: parameter, it still doesnt > work (I get no sign-on message). I have seen patched-for-specific hardware MBASIC. Are you certain about having an absolutely vanilla-flavored unvarnished copy? I probably have one kicking around here if you don't. Cheers, Chuck

18 years, 2 months

First Osborne Group diskettes wanted

by edwin.kaminskas＠sbcglobal.net

Hey Scott, I have the complete Chicago FOG library as well as 3 Osbornes and many hardware spares. You can email me at: Edwin.kaminskas at sbcglobal.net Ed Kaminskas Grand Rapids, MI

18 years, 2 months

A note on microprogramming DEC hardware

by kahrs＠caip.rutgers.edu

This recent thread about microprogramming VAXen was interesting. If you read Dave Patterson's history of VLSI RISC machines you'll see that he was interested in programming the 780 but changed his mind. It's also interesting to note that microprogramming was used in two different cases to create capability machines: one, a 11/730 at Cambridge and the other the 11/40E at CMU. There's the KMC-11, but that's another kettle of squid.

18 years, 2 months

Note on LISP Machines available

by sellam＠vintagetech.com

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, Christian R. Fandt wrote: > Been a loooong time since I've last had contact with you. I've been busy > with other stuff, been off classiccmp list for quite awhile, but still > am somewhat aware of classic computer goings-on thru the MARCH list > (MUCH less traffic to mess with, especially that danged OT stuff). Hi Christian. [ I copied this to the CC list for the edification of all who are involved with this. ] Good to hear from you again. Sorry for never following through on that LaserJet carthridge you wanted. I'm really bad at follow-up sometimes. If you still want that cart, I still have it! It's been in the same place ever since we last spoke about it. If you want it, send me your address again and I'll ship it off to you, my treat. > Were you one of the bunch she contacted? If so, then I don't need to > forward pictures to you. I tagged onto this email the Excel file though, > since it's relatively small (58k), just in case she hadn't contacted > you. Yep, I was one of the victims of her unreasonably high expectations. The entirety of the hardware she has is worth, in my opinion, less than $200. $100 would be reasonable for the lot. She only has one monitor/keyboard/mouse, and because these systems use custom display and keyboard interfaces you can't (easily) just take a standard monitor and keyboard and connect them. I tried to explain this to her but she said other people she contacted said they would just build interfaces. Whatever. For the complexity of doing this, please refer to old postings to the CC list from Tony Duell (do a search). Suffice it to say, it's not straightfoward. So in effect she has one complete system, a bunch of otherwise useless CPUs, and a pile of documentation and software for various different Xerox systems. > <BEGIN copied email text> > > I am finally done listing all the Xerox stuff.... I found more manuals > and software on 1/30. I have attached a spreadsheet with everything > listed. I would really like to sell everything altogether. That may not > work.... but that is how I would like to start. I would like to ask > $2500.00 for all of it to start. I will modify based on the response > received. I am sending this same message to about 20 others that have > expressed sincere interest. I want to make sure that this stuff goes to > someone who will care for it in the best way and who will > document/archive all the manuals/software for others. This is a large > amount of work. Notes about the items are included in the spreadsheet... > please ask any questions that you wish. This, to me, is a substantial > collection of vintage computing items. > > > > There is a note in the spreadsheet indicating that I am really only > offering 6 of the 1186s because I want to keep one. I would rather not > ship the stuff... for several obvious reasons... but it is not ruled out > completely. Also, I did not try to turn anything on, because several > have requested that I do not. Damage can occur from merely turning them > on, thus, I have not done that. > > > > Thanks for your patience while I go through all of this stuff. It has > been an experience! > > > > Diana > <END copied email text> > > I'm no where near an expert like you on values, but doesn't $2500.00 for > the whole lot seem high for all this?? Or are these LISP machines > getting to be like hen's teeth? I've never seen one in the wild myself. > Her attitude about preservation of the gear/docs is rather good though. 6085's are certainly rarer these days. I don't know if my own experience can be a reliable indicator because I'm a hyper-collector, but I have about 8-10 of these systems in my collection (with maybe 3 monitors and 2 keyboards). They are certainly uncommon--I won't say rare--but when they are found they are usually found in batches like this. The last time I got any was a pallet load I hauled from North Carolina back in the 1998 timeframe. In the meantime I have seen one or two here and there, but not often. Then again, I don't see anything with the regular frequency that I used to, so one could argue everything is rare these days, including C64s. I could be mistaken (probably am) but I could swear I remember seeing one at WeirdStuff in Sunnyvale recently. Anyway, they have a certain cachet because they are second generation STAR machines. They don't have the physicality of the original 8010, but they do run the same software, and for those who want to own a piece of early GUI history, this would be a good entry point. Keep in mind that these systems will still take a lot of work and reading to get up and running. Example: when they boot they expect to connect to a time server on the network. There are (easy) ways around this, but again it's not a system for the casual collector. You have to know what you're doing before you can get to a desktop login dialog. The real treasure here are the disks and manuals. I'd really like to get my hands on the 6060 system disks and manuals (I have a 6060 but no software or manuals) and the 8" floppies. I have the facilities to make copies for other people, BTW. So in general, the hardware is not interesting to me. To others it might be because they probably don't already have a pile of them :) But because she only has one keyboard, mouse and monitor (the latter of which from the sounds of it is pretty beat up) she only has one complete system. The rest is spare parts. The documentation and software is a different story. I would say it's worth a few hundred bucks (I don't want to be more specific because I don't want to bias the bargaining process), but it should be separated into logical lots. It makes no sense to include the 8" floppies with the 5.25" stuff, for example, because the 1186 doesn't have an 8" floppy drive. Ditto with the 6060 stuff. In conclusion, for someone who really wants an 1186 system, $500 would not be unreasonable for one complete system with software and manuals. Based on the description of the physical condition of the monitor, I'd knock that in half. I'd have to look at the spreadsheet in detail to guess at prices for the various software and docs. But unless she's willing to separate the lot then the deal is a non-starter. $2,500 is a pipe dream. I hope this helps. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

18 years, 2 months

$3000 ASR33?????

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

Good grief! ebay auction: 190195405164 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 11:17 AM

18 years, 2 months

bogus SIDs on eBay?

by spectre＠floodgap.com

It's a strange thing to do but it might be worth keeping in mind if you are looking at buying SID chips off of eBay (the C64's sound chip, for those who don't know). http://kevtris.org/Projects/sid/remarked_sids.html I make no comment on the factuality of the assertions presented, but I suppose the moral is when buying NOS, caveat emptor. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com -- Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. -- Carl Sagan --------------

18 years, 2 months

$3000 ASR33?????

by tshoppa＠wmata.com

> Good grief! > > ebay auction: > 190195405164 I bought my first Model 33 ASR at the tender age of 14. It was the main console I/O peripheral as well as a mass storage drive :-). At the time, my net income was probably $10-$20-$30 a week. It depended on how many lawns I could mow a week :-). I paid $150 for it. So that was probably a month or two income for me. Today a month or two of income is way more than $3000. Not to brag or anything! And obviously not all of it is disposable income like when I was a kid. Could I somehow scrounge together $3000 as disposable income in a month or two? Probably, it'd be hard to justify it to my wife :-). So honestly in terms of "Tim Constant Dollars" I don't see a huge discrepancy here. Tim.

18 years, 2 months

$3000 ASR33?????

by quapla＠xs4all.nl

> Good grief! > > ebay auction: > 190195405164 > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 > 11:17 AM > > Indeed. For that amount I will sell my own ASR-33 and it will come with pedestal, copyholder, chadbox, a box of papertape, 2 rolls of paper and the 3 manuals... Ohhh wait, I have a complete spare one in storage too. Shall we say $5000 for both???? Ed

18 years, 2 months

How compatible were "MS-DOS Compatible" machines?

by cclist＠sydex.com

> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:38:58 -0600 > From: Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org> > My summer job between college terms was working at Egghead software, and > there was a massive, MASSIVE push from Egghead to sell MS-DOS 5.0. We > (lowly sales floor associates) were bussed to a convention center and > shown various presentations on why MS-DOS 5.0 was dA b0mB and why it was > the perfect add-on to any and all sales already in progress at the > register. Many cheezy sales guides and videos followed. While I liked > the built-in memory management and disk compression (because I'm a > compression geek) of 5.0, I was extremely turned off by the push. Speaking of cheezy MS-DOS, does anyone want a copy of the MS-DOS 5.0 user's manual, beta version, labeled "Microsoft Confidential"? May 17, 1990 and the usual rough-copy workup with lots of boxes labeled "This artwork not available for this release". About 350 pages. Otherwise, I value the binder it's in more than the paper, so the ephemera will go into the recycling pile if unclaimed. I don't know how it differs from the release version, as I never bothered to read it. Real programmers don't need no stinkin' user's manual. Cheers, Chuck

18 years, 2 months

Modern Marvels: 90s Tech

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

This is a little OT but the show does track back to things on-topic. >From the producer: --- Modern Marvels: 90s Tech Premieres: TONIGHT! Thursday, February 7th @ 8pm ET/PT on The History Channel (please check local listings) 90s Tech: It was the dot com decade that opened up the information superhighway. "Modern Marvels: 90s Tech" takes you way back to the end of the 20th century and the beginning of today's trendy technologies. From DVDs to TIVO to GPS, see how the digital gadgets we can't live without all started in the 90s. Hear the Amazon story from its very own founder, Jeff Bezos, and see how millions of cyber goods are packaged and shipped at an 800,000 square-foot Amazon distribution center. At Google, learn the science of the world's most popular search engine. And was Furby really a threat to national security? We go beyond its furry exterior to show you the inner-workings of the intriguing pet. Heavyweight Boxing Champion George Foreman, will show us how to "knock out the fat" with one of the best-selling appliances of the decade. And its creators will demo some of the original first-person shooter games: Wolfenstein 3D and Doom. --- There is some neat stuff about Google including some images from the CHM. When they talk about portable computers they show an Osborne 1 (mine), a PowerBook 170 (also mine) as well as some other gear. The Compaq in the background is another item I sent them for the show. Evan Koblentz was their technical consultant for the portable computing segment. It's a bit late for the East Coast folks but the show will re-run, I'm sure. Erik Klein www.vintage-computer.com www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum The Vintage Computer Forums

18 years, 2 months

C64 on Craigslist

by cclist＠sydex.com

> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 01:19:50 -0500 > From: "Golan Klinger" > Is there something particularly noteworthy about this 64? I see them > on Craigslist around here quite often and I never thought them worthy of > mention on this global list. I don't know a thing about it, but I do know that folks collect them, so I thought I'd mention it. It holds no interest to me. Cheers, Chuck

18 years, 2 months

TI-52 manual

by mraven＠home.nl

Hello Mike, I came across a message from you regarding the manual for a TI-52. If you still have a PDF for it would you be so kind to mail me a copy? Regards, Jos Raven Holland mraven at home.nl jos.raven at gmail.com (for a file lager then 5MB)

18 years, 2 months

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