I stopped selling on ebay before the January 29th announcment and am totally
disgusted with what passes for management. (major rant deleted) Search youtube
for ebay boycott or ebay strike and there are a number of "editorials" there as
well.
I suggested to Sellam that NOW would be a good time to get the Vintage Computer
Marketplace back online, but it hasn't happened yet. Since I haven't kept track,
are there other classic computer related places to buy and sell? A "yes" answer
should be followed by the sites URL :).
> In case you all had not noticed, there was a major change at Ebay this
> week. Google for details.
>
> Also, there is a good sized strike amongst sellers this week as well.
> Some decided just not to sell. Some decided to shut down their stores.
> And some have decided to play games, just to play games with Ebay's
> bean counters.
>
> The best thing to do this week, and most of next, is to just NOT USE
> Ebay for EITHER buying OR selling.
>
> --
> Will
>
>Subject: VAXstation/MicroVAX 2000 CPU/FPU overheating?
> From: "Dave Dunfield" <dave06a at dunfield.com>
> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:50:56 -0500
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>
>Hi Guys,
>
>I've just acquired a VAXstation 2000 (thanks Mouse!) which exhibits what appears
>to be an overheating issue.
>
>Powered up ir runs for about 10 mins or so (just sitting at the console prompt
>doing things like TEST 50 to display the configuration, pressing ENTER to get
>another '>>>' etc.). After about 10 mins (give or take) it fails, sometimes
>appears to reset, hangs etc.
>
>Firt thing I noticed is that the two surface mount chips with the round heatsinks
>affixed to them get *HOT* ... Hot enough that you wounldn't want to keep your finger
>on either of them for very long.
>
>I believe these are the CPU and FPU chip? - Is this normal for them to run this
>hot? They don't heat up alarmingly quickly, but after a few minutes they are
>hotter than I'd think normal.
Yes, CPU and FPU. They do get hot.
Makes sure then fan is running and there is airflow.
>Aside from the eventual failure, it seems to run correctly - the self tests
>(including the FPU test) pass (except for those which don't have hardware installed,
>loopback connectors etc.
>
>When I got the system, it was jam packed with cards, including the main board,
>color frame buffer, double-sided memory expansion and an ethernet interface.
A maxed out machime.
>During my testing, I've removed all of these except for the main board, and am
>running the system as a MicroVAX. I do have the resistor/loading card installed
>as is recommended when running the system lightly loaded.
>
>Power rails all look good - There is a 9V supply which the technial manual
>describes as "for loading" which has a separate supply and return. Relative
>to ground I measure about +5.6v on the supply and about -3.3 on the return,
>which I'm assuming is normal (?)
Makes sure the 5V line(s) is good and really at 5V.
>Anyone know where I can obtain anything resembling a schematic? Other technical
>information (I have a PDF of the technical manual, however it's mostly "system
>information" from an operational point of view). Any known issues etc.?
One of the signals from the PS is power good. Makes sure that line isn't
bouncing. I think it's an orange or white lead it's been a while since Ive
been in one.
Allison
>Regards,
>Dave
>
>
>--
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>dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
>com Collector of vintage computing equipment:
> http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html
I've gotten back to trying to get MSU BASIC running. My current edited
sources are here:
http://rikers.org/hp2100/22255.asmhttp://rikers.org/hp2100/22255mon.asm
Here's a transcript:
sim> g 30000
CLOCK I/O ADDRESS? 10
LOG TTY I/O ADDRESS? 12
NUMBER OF CHANNELS? 1
CHANNEL 1 TTY I/O ADDRESS? 11
CARD READER IN SYSTEM?
YES OR NO: NO
PHOTO READER IN SYSTEM?
YES OR NO: YES
PHOTOREADER I/O ADDRESS? 14
ENTER CODE-WORD TABLE
ACCOUNT NUMBER? 0
CODE WORD? ROOT
ACCOUNT NUMBER? /E
ENTER INFORMATION TABLE
0
/E
DECIMAL FREE CORE AVAILABLE: 8828
STANDARD FREE CORE IS DECIMAL 8828
ACCEPT STANDARD CORE?
YES OR NO: YES
PUNCH ABSOLUTE TAPE?
YES OR NO: YES
SYSTEM PUNCH DEVICE I/O ADDRESS? 13
HALT instruction 102077, P: 23420 (LIA 1)
I have no idea what to enter in the "INFORMATION TABLE" so not sure
that's right. Also not sure if my account information is valid. Running
yields:
sim> g 100
YEAR? 78
MONTH? 12
DAY? 12
TIME? 1212
YEAR?
with then loops forever. Seems to be valid date info, but not sure why
it's kicking me back into the loop.
Anyone have docs on this?
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BZFlag maintainer - http://BZFlag.org/ - for fun!
Rumor has it that Chuck Guzis may have mentioned these words:
>On 24 Feb 2008 at 7:57, Jason T wrote:
>
> > I think these are all worthy of note. Interesting, too, that most of
> > them are from the Toledo store. Maybe a collector dumped his extras?
>
>What caught my eye was the Panasonic box. If I were a collector, it
>might be very appealing as a not-very-common home computer.
My thoughts exactly.
[[ Yes, I'm still alive... but unforch been incommunicado for a while... ]]
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
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zmerch at 30below.com |
Hi Peter,
I would be interested in these for the Computing History museum in Suffolk.
See: www.computinghistory.org.uk
The trouble id you're a bit far away. I might have someone in your area that I can
ask, but otherwise would you be able to stick them in a box and in the post?
I'll obviously pay the postage.
Cheers
Jason Fitzpatrick
www.ComputingHistory.org.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: peter.hicks at poggs.co.uk
Sent: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:15:09 +0000
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: OFFERED: Assorted manuals
Hello
Tidying up here, I have the following up for grabs. You'll need to be able to
collect in London or St Albans, UK:
* ICL DRS 8801 User Guide and Ready Reference
* Apple ][ Users Guide (ISBN 0-931988-46-2)
* Silentype Operation/Reference Manual (for Apple ][)
* Apple ][ BASIC Programming Manual
* The Applesoft Tutorial
* Meet The Micro book (ISBN 0-900608-18-8)
* Mastering Visicalc (ISBN 0-89588-090-3)
* Amstrad Microsoft Windows 2.03 User Guide (book)
* Microcomputer Graphics book (ISBN 0-201-05092-7)
* Commodore 64 User Manual
* Microsoft Word for Windows 2.0 manual
Anyone interested?
Peter
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A: Because it destroys the flow of the conversation
Q: Why is top-posting bad?
Hello
Tidying up here, I have the following up for grabs. You'll need to be able to
collect in London or St Albans, UK:
* ICL DRS 8801 User Guide and Ready Reference
* Apple ][ Users Guide (ISBN 0-931988-46-2)
* Silentype Operation/Reference Manual (for Apple ][)
* Apple ][ BASIC Programming Manual
* The Applesoft Tutorial
* Meet The Micro book (ISBN 0-900608-18-8)
* Mastering Visicalc (ISBN 0-89588-090-3)
* Amstrad Microsoft Windows 2.03 User Guide (book)
* Microcomputer Graphics book (ISBN 0-201-05092-7)
* Commodore 64 User Manual
* Microsoft Word for Windows 2.0 manual
Anyone interested?
Peter
--
Peter Hicks | e: my.name at poggs.co.uk | g: 0xE7C839F4 | w: www.poggs.com
A: Because it destroys the flow of the conversation
Q: Why is top-posting bad?
Ian,
Do you have the disk controller board for the B80? I developed it back in
1973. If you do could you email me a jpg of it? It has a certain nostalgia
value.
It is also the first ASIC disk controller in the industry, and I'd like to
at least get the photo into the Computer Museum in Sunnyvale.
If there is any thing I can help you with on the machine, just let me know.
I also ran the team that developed the floppy disk drive on the unit.
Jim O'Reilly
Are these BA23-based?
If so, don't forget that the DB9 pinout isn't standard !
Traditional DB9 cabling won't work !
T
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Q-bus (BA 23, BA123 & (with mods to the mounting hardware) BA213) SCSI
controllers.
What works (in particular with disks + MSCP + VMS), how well and what's
still about ?
What I know is:
CMD CDQ-220/TM supports disks and tapes, and works with RZ2x disks /
MSCP / VMS
DEC KZQSA-AA (aka M5976-AA) is the BA23 Q-bus SCSI controller
CMD CDQ-223/TM is a 220 with EMC shielding for a BA213 box
What I'm curious to know is:
- What boards were made and which are commonly available
e.g. DEC KZQSA, CMD CDQ-220, Dilog SQ706 ?, Emulex UC02 ?, Andromeda
SCDC-11 ?, ...
- The relative (to SCSI 1) performance of each of the boards
- Which boards are "dogs" : gotchas, tape only, unreliability /
electronics failures
And, some specific queries are:
- What is the difference between a CDQ-220/xxx and a CDQ-220A/xxx ?
- What is the functionality of a CDQ-243 (quad board, BA213 cab kit, 2
SCSI connectors) wrt a CDQ-220 / 223 ?
Regards
Martin
After 15 years more a restorers item.
See it run before you buy it!!
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of steven stengel
Sent: 24 February 2008 09:10
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Craigslist - Digital PDP-1123 - Lincoln, NE
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/sys/580456982.html
------------------------------------------------
Digital PDP-1123 (vintage)
Reply to: sale-580456982 at craigslist.org
Date: 2008-02-20, 8:25AM PST
Digital (for you kids, that's a brand) PDP-1123 CPU, four Digital RL-02
drives and disks. Rack mounted. Taken out of service 15 or so years ago,
worked at the time. This is a collectors item.
Location: Lincoln, NE
---------------------------------
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
If you were in the UK I could tell you where to order MMJ cables (Black
Box still sell them and are not expensive)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: 23 February 2008 17:28
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: a bad day for vaxen
In article <BAY104-W32B90EC12E3817FBAD51BBC91E0 at phx.gbl>,
Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> writes:
> that doesnt help if my cables are bad :P
Have you tested your cables? Hook an ohmmeter to each end and measure
the connectivity of the wires.
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http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/sys/580456982.html
------------------------------------------------
Digital PDP-1123 (vintage)
Reply to: sale-580456982 at craigslist.org
Date: 2008-02-20, 8:25AM PST
Digital (for you kids, that's a brand) PDP-1123 CPU, four Digital RL-02 drives and disks. Rack mounted. Taken out of service 15 or so years ago, worked at the time. This is a collectors item.
Location: Lincoln, NE
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:55:56 +0000
Groups: alt.sys.pdp11
From: info2008 at parse.com (Robert Krten)
Org: UseNetServer.com
Subject: eBay: PDP11 cards, RK06 stuff, core memory
Id: <d3c03$47c025ec$4c0aad39$15163 at TEKSAVVY.COM>
========
Continuing with the cleanup, I have the following items up on eBay:
Item # Description
130200228627 PDP-11 boards M105, M234, M7228, M7800YA, M7810, M782,
M7821, M7850, M7856(3), M7859, M7860(3), M7941, M7944,
M8047, M8186, M8192, M9301YF, M9401, M971 (Total 23)
130200218825 H214 8k x 16 core memory
130200220702 H222/G652 (MM11DP) 16k x 18 core memory
130200217482 RK06 Operator Control Panel (2)
130200271249 RK06 Boards (Total 14)
130200277362 PDP-11 Third Party boards (Total 24)
130200500053 PDP-11 AAV11K 4 Channel 12-bit DAC
More next week as I continue the cleanup.
Cheers,
-RK
--
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minicomputers; check out their "good home" at www.pdp12.org
Respond to the person below.
- John
>From: "Neil Preston" <nrpreston at yahoo.com>
>To: <jfoust at threedee.com>
>Subject: Editing Typewriter
>Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:40:24 -0600
>
>
>Are you interested in any further acquisitions for your computer collection?
>
>I have an old Burroughs Redactor Editing Typewriter (word processing system) consisting of a wide-carriage Selectric typewriter interfaced to a processor cabinet having two data cassette drives. The user would type their document while it was being recorded on the tape drive, and could later reprint it from the tape drive. There was no CRT. I also have a field maintenance manual and some additional information including a copy of a user reference guide, as well as a few data cassettes and ribbons.
>
>As I have no current use for it, I would be happy to donate it to a suitable organization as long as the receiver is willing to cover the costs of shipping. It would probably require crating and truck freight, as the cabinet measures approximately 17" x 17" x 32".
>
>I also have a couple of old Beehive model B103 data entry terminals (CRT with keyboard and RS-232 or current loop interface).
>
>If you have no interest, please consider forwarding the information to anyone you believe might be interested. If I can't find a home for them, they will be scrapped.
>
>I am located near Kansas City MO. You may contact me by phone at (816) 537-7242
>
>Neil Preston, CET
>Preston Electronics LLC
>13413 Smart Road
>Lee's Summit MO 64086
>(816) 537-7242
><http://www.prestonelectronics.com/>http://www.PrestonElectronics.com
>
>
>
>
>
The port is an DEC MMJ connector (offset clip type). Set your terminal
to DEC-RS423 and 9600 both ways and it will run.
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Dan Gahlinger
Sent: 23 February 2008 02:13
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: a bad day for vaxen
well I've had a real bad day.
My vax systems have been in storage for about a year, good storage, not
too much heat or cold or humidity but, I can't get any of them to
function the way I think they should.
4 vaxen (vaxstation 3100 m76, of which 2 are spx), an alpha (dec 3000
model 310), and a vxt2000. I must be doing something wrong.I'm having a
very bad day.
and my vs 3100 model 30 seems to have vanished :(
i tried with a null modem cable and with straight through, with 3
different dec connect cables, and 3 different
(1 9pin, 1 25pin female, 1 25pin male) connectors, and can't get
anything on console.
with switch S3 up or down made no difference. and i'm not sure I'm
reading the LED status lights correctly.
i'm tired. :)
I'm digging out a monitor so I can connect the video directly, with a
keyboard and mouse, but that's always fun.
anyone in or around toronto with a working setup I could pop by one day
and hook up and see what's going on?
I'll double-check that after I try the video.
none of the docs I've found specify if it's supposed to be null-modem or
straight through.
and I think I got it right by using the port with the little printer
symbol on it as console.
the alpha I have has 25 pin female, and the vxt has 25 pin male, and the
vaxstations have what seems to be RJ12, can't they make these things
standard?
_________________________________________________________________
----------Original Message:
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:10:17 -0800
From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
Subject: Re: RFC: Floppy reader/writer project (recovering UniPlus
Unix for the Lisa)
In my humble opinion, what's really needed is a quick and reliable
non-contact method of recovering floppy data. Perhaps one of the
more modern head technologies, such as GMR might be suitable for a
head that doesn't contact the media. Or maybe we need to revive the
"magnasee and laser" method.
Increasingly, I'm seeing 5.25" diskettes with media flaking. There's
no way that I'm going to stick one of those into a standard floppy
drive, even after baking.
It might be that we're starting to approach the "use by" date with
some brands and need to resort to other approaches.
Cheers,
Chuck
---------Reply:
Just a thought, for a one-or-two-off:
Is there anything with which you could coat the disk surface to protect it
that would be cohesive enough to hold down any flakes? Spray-on Urethane?
Saran Wrap? Research is needed... ;-)
mike
Well I want it for a CD Rom Drive. Don't confuse 'Unsupported' with 'It
doesn't work' hard disks may well run. Certainly RZ series are
recognized.
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Sridhar Ayengar
Sent: 22 February 2008 15:18
To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: VAX wish list.
Rod Smallwood wrote:
> 5. A KZQSA SCSI controller.
If you don't mind my asking, what do you want with that controller?
AFAIK, it can't talk to disk, only tape.
Peace... Sridhar
All of the BA440 based 4000 models 200/300/400/500/600 will boot from an
RRD series drive on a KZQSA. I have a 42 and a 46 and both work.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Glen Slick
Sent: 22 February 2008 20:24
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: VAX wish list.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Patrick Finnegan
<pat at computer-refuge.org> wrote:
>
> The KZQSA was the controller that generally was used to attach a SCSI
> CDROM to a later model QBUS MicroVAX or VAX 4000. I seem to remember
> posts on here indicating that you could also use it for a single SCSI
> disk, and it mostly worked, as long as it didn't have >1 device on it.
>
Yes, it's useful to have a KZQSA if you want to boot from a SCSI CD-ROM
and install VMS.
I believe a KA655 (3800 / 3900) won't boot from a KZQSA, but a KA660
(4000/200) will.
Well yes, its for the CD ROM holding the VMS distribution. However it
does at least recognize a DEC RZ series disk. I worked for DEC for a
long time and 'unsupported' means field service did not have funding for
what could be non-Dec (SCSI) devices on the controller because DSSI was
DEC's own SCSI variant.
It does not mean 'this does not work' In fact DEC engineers routinely
evaluated third party SCSI drives on it.
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Finnegan
Sent: 22 February 2008 15:43
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: VAX wish list.
On Friday 22 February 2008 10:18, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
> Rod Smallwood wrote:
> > 5. A KZQSA SCSI controller.
>
> If you don't mind my asking, what do you want with that controller?
> AFAIK, it can't talk to disk, only tape.
Huh?
The KZQSA was the controller that generally was used to attach a SCSI
CDROM to a later model QBUS MicroVAX or VAX 4000. I seem to remember
posts on here indicating that you could also use it for a single SCSI
disk, and it mostly worked, as long as it didn't have >1 device on it.
Other than that, IIRC, it's VMS-only.
Pat
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Do you have any DAP4 or BA80 that I can buy?
Thank you
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I have the software (1.52c on 1 CD). Free for postage. Preference given to the person who got the docs from Jack (if anyone did). Otherwise available. Contact me at my Comcast address.
Bob
Message: 8
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:45:47 -0600
From: "Jack Rubin" <jack.rubin at ameritech.net>
Subject: MS Visual C++ docs available
To: "Classic Computer List" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Three volume set of docs for MS Visual C++ v1.52 available for the cost
of postage - relatively cheap via Media Mail, but the 3 vols total close
to 11 lbs. Includes $15 rebate coupon with expiration date of 12/31/96 -
proof that this "on-topic".
No software included!
Contact me directly if you're interested.
Jack
well I've had a real bad day.
My vax systems have been in storage for about a year, good storage, not too much heat or cold or humidity
but, I can't get any of them to function the way I think they should.
4 vaxen (vaxstation 3100 m76, of which 2 are spx), an alpha (dec 3000 model 310), and a vxt2000. I must be doing something wrong.I'm having a very bad day.
and my vs 3100 model 30 seems to have vanished :(
i tried with a null modem cable and with straight through, with 3 different dec connect cables, and 3 different
(1 9pin, 1 25pin female, 1 25pin male) connectors, and can't get anything on console.
with switch S3 up or down made no difference. and i'm not sure I'm reading the LED status lights correctly.
i'm tired. :)
I'm digging out a monitor so I can connect the video directly, with a keyboard and mouse, but that's always fun.
anyone in or around toronto with a working setup I could pop by one day and hook up and see what's going on?
I'll double-check that after I try the video.
none of the docs I've found specify if it's supposed to be null-modem or straight through.
and I think I got it right by using the port with the little printer symbol on it as console.
the alpha I have has 25 pin female, and the vxt has 25 pin male, and the vaxstations have what seems to be RJ12, can't they make these things standard?
_________________________________________________________________
In my humble opinion, what's really needed is a quick and reliable
non-contact method of recovering floppy data. Perhaps one of the
more modern head technologies, such as GMR might be suitable for a
head that doesn't contact the media. Or maybe we need to revive the
"magnasee and laser" method.
Increasingly, I'm seeing 5.25" diskettes with media flaking. There's
no way that I'm going to stick one of those into a standard floppy
drive, even after baking.
It might be that we're starting to approach the "use by" date with
some brands and need to resort to other approaches.
Cheers,
Chuck
Hi
I have nearly all I need to do a Vax cluster. Namely a VAX 4000
model 200 , a 300 and a 500.
I'm a few bits short for the 300.:
1. The Console Bulkhead Assembly. (70-27400-01) Its like
a door to the Processor / Memory mounting area.
2. The top part of the two part front door on the BA440
3 One or more RF series drives and the Bezel Assembly
(70-27049-02)
4. Filler strips to go over empty Qbus slots.
5. A KZQSA SCSI controller.
I can get this stuff from theUS but the price is a rip-off and the
shipping horrendous.
If anybody has or knows where to get any of these items in the UK or
Europe I would be pleased to hear from them.
Rod Smallwood
The DECcollector