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by wdonzelli＠gmail.com

> YOU need to get a grip - this was sent to the list that also covers off-topic postings, and I also > put OT in the subject line. OK. Can I bring up politics and religion, too? As long as I am nice and say "OT"? I am sure Jay would not mind. > No need to curse - what kind of upbringing did YOU have? You should be glad *I* am not a list mod. > You'd be banned already. > I don't really think anyone wants to read your filth. I am already headed to the bathroom so I can put a bar of soap in my mouth. -- Will

17 years, 8 months

Discussion List Netiquette

by marvin＠west.net

> > From: Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> > > Marden P. Marshall wrote: > > I'm not trying to be a hard ass here, but please try to look at it from > > You may not be trying, but that's the way it's coming off. I'll go with Marden here. The subject line is like a table of contents, and if I am looking for something, it is just unacceptable to have the table of contents have no relationship to the books contents. For some unknown reason, some posters seem to think it is perfectly okay here to waste the time of other readers here.

17 years, 8 months

OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal

by tonym＠compusource.net

>-----Original Message----- >From: William Donzelli wdonzelli at gmail.com >Sent 8/20/2008 9:02:26 PM >To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk at classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal > > PLEASE don't ever pay retail for MICROS~1 products! > >So what the f**k are you guys doing giving MICROS~1 so much free >advertising in the past few hours? > >Take it off list. > >-- YOU need to get a grip - this was sent to the list that also covers off-topic postings, and I also put OT in the subject line. No need to curse - what kind of upbringing did YOU have? You should be glad *I* am not a list mod. You'd be banned already. I don't really think anyone wants to read your filth. Tony

17 years, 8 months

Sun SparcPrinter Laser Printers Offer

by mikelee＠tdh.com

Hi, I have a couple of these SparcPrinters, that I haven't touched since I got them. Figured I'd offer them to someone who might want them. Not sure of the demand for these things, and not sure if they work at the moment, but there's no reason they shouldn't. I also have the cables for them. Pickup in the Chicagoland areas or willing to ship if you pay the actual costs. Mike

17 years, 8 months

OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal

by tonym＠compusource.net

>-----Original Message----- >From: Eric Smith eric at brouhaha.com >Sent 8/21/2008 1:36:07 AM >To: General Discussion GeneralDiscussion@ >Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal > >Eric J Korpela wrote: > Funny, but OpenOffice is still free. > >tonym wrote: > Funny, but it's still not fully Office 2007 compatible. > >Funny, but that's one of OpenOffice's best features. It does the stuff >I need, without nearly as much useless bloat as MS Office 2007. I deal >with Word and Excel documents routinely, and although I occasionally run >into one that uses an exotic feature not in OpenOffice, it's never been >anything that prevented me from doing what I need with the document. > Funniest, is that "feature" makes it unusable at, oh, 9 out of 10 universities in this country, and countless numbers of businesses. I know I couldn't use it at work - it wouldn't open hardly anything. I'd me MORE than happy to install OpenOffice on my wife's laptop... But what is she to do when the send her stuff in Office 2007 format, which OO can't open? Don't get me wrong - I'm not pro Microsoft, or anything. This is just a tool that my wife needs in school, and it was cheap. Obviously, by installing OO 2.4.1 and trying to open some of her docs from her last semester, OO isn't going to cut it. It opened 3 out of 17,and the rest, it wanted me to go through a HUGE list of formats to choose one,of which most Office 2007 stuff was missing. Office jsut knows what it is. Couldn't even open the PowerPoint presentations at all. Tony

17 years, 8 months

OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal

by tonym＠compusource.net

>-----Original Message----- >From: Eric J Korpela korpela at ssl.berkeley.edu >Sent 8/20/2008 11:16:06 PM >To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk at classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal > >Funny, but OpenOffice is still free. > >Eric > > Funny, but it's still not fully Office 2007 compatible. Had trouble with Word 2007 templates and certain docs, and can't open PowerPoint 2007 presentations. I JUST tried 2.4.1 from openoffice.org with some of my wife's school .doc's and PPoint presentations. Guess THAT didn't work out like you planned.

17 years, 8 months

VAXstation 4000/vlc fans?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Has anyone here dealt with the fans on a VAXstation 4000/vlc? I use one as a DECnet router, and its fans are "howling" loud enough that it is not "dining room friendly" (believe it or not I'm the one that says it's to loud to run and not my wife). I'd prefer to keep the /vlc running rather than replace it with either a /60 or /90. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

17 years, 8 months

OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal

by slawmaster＠gmail.com

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:14 PM, tonym <tonym at compusource.net> wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: William Donzelli wdonzelli at gmail.com >>Sent 8/20/2008 9:02:26 PM >>To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk at classiccmp.org >>Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal >> >> PLEASE don't ever pay retail for MICROS~1 products! >> >>So what the f**k are you guys doing giving MICROS~1 so much free >>advertising in the past few hours? >> >>Take it off list. >> >>-- > > > YOU need to get a grip - this was sent to the list that also covers off-topic postings, and I also > put OT in the subject line. > > No need to curse - what kind of upbringing did YOU have? You should be glad *I* am not a list mod. > You'd be banned already. > I don't really think anyone wants to read your filth. > > > > Tony Not to be a jerk about it, but welcome to the Internet. People swear, just like they do in real life. If your mom doesn't want you to hear those words, set up an email filter or something. Hell, he even censored himself, but you still felt the need to complain? I do agree that this topic is just fine on the list; it's not like we have these sort of threads every day, and some people could find this information (about the Academic Alliance and other things) useful. John "Potty Mouth" Floren -- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

17 years, 8 months

OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal

by tonym＠compusource.net

>-----Original Message----- >From: Fred Cisin cisin at xenosoft.com >Sent 8/20/2008 8:05:58 PM >To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk at classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal > > >Microsoft "academic pricing" is always in that range. >It is not always the same for different schools. >Where I teach, MICROS~1 wants $45 for Office or Vista, and $55 for visual >studio. > >all year long. > >http://old.foundationccc.org/msca/default.aspx > That site only covers 6 states. I live in Florida, which is NOT on the list at that site. This is a full retail Office 2007 Ultimate, 2-computer license (1 desktop, 1 laptop), for $59.95. As for Vista, that site has Vista Business, not Ultimate. Business lacks all the Multimedia/Media Center portions of Vista. Tony

17 years, 8 months

MFM harddrives (Seattle WA area)

by michaelgreen42＠comcast.net

I've got a large lot of various MFM harddrives sitting around that I have no use for. Don't know much about these but have to be worth something. If interested let me know and maybe we can work out either a cash or trade deal.

17 years, 8 months

OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal

by tonym＠compusource.net

>-----Original Message----- >From: bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca >Sent 8/20/2008 9:09:40 PM >To: General Discussion GeneralDiscussion@ >Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal > >Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 20 Aug 2008 at 17:49, Fred Cisin wrote: > > > PLEASE don't ever pay retail for MICROS~1 products! > > > So, who has the best price for "Bob"? > > Cheers, > Chuck >The pirate as allways! > > I remember seeing that garbage at Incredible Universe YEARS ago when they were still in business! Back then they were pushing that garbage as "Microsoft Home" and all the games, as well. Tony

17 years, 8 months

OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal

by tonym＠compusource.net

>-----Original Message----- >From: Fred Cisin cisin at xenosoft.com >Sent 8/20/2008 8:49:33 PM >To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk at classiccmp.org >Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft crazy academic deal > >On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, tonym wrote: > That site only covers 6 states. I live in Florida, which is NOT on the list at that site. > This is a full retail Office 2007 Ultimate, 2-computer license (1 desktop, 1 laptop), for $59.95. > As for Vista, that site has Vista Business, not Ultimate. Business lacks all the Multimedia/Media Center portions of Vista. > >Yes, there are a lot of different deals and places to do it through. >A better starting point than the one I use and posted, is: > >http://www.microsoft.com/education/eligible.mspx >http://www.microsoft.com/Education/USAcademicPricing.mspx > >Shop around for varying deals, but do NOT fall for "you gotta buy by >midnight". > > >If your school has subscribed to the MSDN Academic Alliance, then you >can copy certain products for free, if you promise to erase them when you >graduate. > I think you need to review the terms of the agreement at that first link you sent, for Microsoft Campus. Those renew yearly, and can only be installed *ONCE*. According to that site you sent, FAQ #4, they even advise you to run AntiVirus to protect your computer, as you are not even entitled to REinstall it. Apples-and-oranges - I can install and re-install this on those 2 computers as often as I wish, and no yearly license fee. Tony

17 years, 8 months

Opening computer museums

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 03:11 PM 8/18/2008, joe lobocki wrote: >someone really should open a vintage computer museum near >chicago...Ive toyed with the idea, i think space in the old 3com >building in rolling meadows would be a fitting place for vintage >computing.... I'd love to hear from anyone actually operating a computer museum. They seem like money sinks. You need benefactor$. Obviously, the best location for a computer museum would be where rich computer people like to live. I'd love to hear the typical ratio between exhibit space and storage/repair space, for example. - John

17 years, 8 months

Schematics of Atanasoff-Berry Computer logic circuits?

by wbblair3＠yahoo.com

Does anyone know of a source for schematics of the Atanasoff-Berry Computer vacuum tube logic circuitry? I've found this web page: http://www.scl.ameslab.gov/ABC/ but there are no schematics available there. I have emailed the person at the bottom of the web page, but I suspect that since school is not in session, I won't soon get a response.

17 years, 8 months

PC keyboards

by feldman.r＠comcast.net

http://xkcd.com/243/ >Message: 20 >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:24:06 -0400 >From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> >Subject: Re: PC keyboards >On Aug 20, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Alexandre Souza wrote: >>>> I use an IBM model M with a PS2-to-USB converter :o) >>> I use a Unicomp Customizer. It's black/silver and has native >>> USB. It also uses the famous IBM/Lexmark buckling-spring mechanism. >> >> BTW an old dream of mine is finding an IBM "M" keyboard with the >> trackpoint (know as "clitoris" in Brazil...go figure! :oD). > We call them that here too. :) > -Dave

17 years, 8 months

Request help to make alive my bigboard 1

by elazzerini＠interfree.it

Is there anybody who woudl like to help me to diagnosticate what is not working on my bigboard 1 to make it alive again? thanks Enrico

17 years, 8 months

Who is vintagecomputermuseum?

by snhirsch＠gmail.com

Just curious if the person who owns this eBay store is a list regular? And, more the the point, do they actually get anyone to pay nearly $500 for an AT&T PC7300? --

17 years, 8 months

First Northern Germany DECnet Party

by hoelscher-kirchbrak＠freenet.de

>>First Northern Germany DECnet Party, who wants to join? >> >>Who wants to install, configure, network, >>cluster or program ALPHAs, MIPSen, VAXen and >>PDPs just for fun together with 10 to 20 other >>DEC enthusiasts for a day or two? >Are you going to link into HECnet as part of the event? No, not this time, but maybe next time. There's no internet access in our meeting room and furthermore I'd have to connect to HECnet first at all. But thank you very much for the idea. We will discuss it among the participants of the DECnet Party. I see it would be a great chance for Enthusiasts from overseas to join us. Regards, Ulli The VAXorcist

17 years, 8 months

Opening Computer Museum

by sbolton＠bfree.on.ca

As someone who runs a museum - The Personal Computer Museum (www.pcmuseum.ca) in Brantford, Ontario, Canada I can tell you that it's a lot more work than you might think to get it going, keep it running, etc. As stated, there are many issues beyond just getting the place going. It depends on local laws as well. I'm currently a not-for-profit organization with "charitable objects". My "Charitable status" is still in the works and takes months. Getting it means a lot for those who donate computers and money, and in some cases for certain grants it is an absolute requirement. There are also "museum standards" that must be adhered to. Policies on how you manage the collection and everything else about it. We are JUST starting to get international attention and are growing - but I've been at it for almost 3 years of being open and I've been collecting for over 20. I am hoping to be at it full time by next year--but it's a SLOW process. If you wish to talk to me about it privately, email me at sbolton at bfree.on.ca and I'd be more than happy to share my experiences.

17 years, 8 months

Olivetti BCS 2035 for pick up

by ccmpcpg＠yahoo.de

Hi, I need the space, and I never managed to get documentation or a boot disk for it anyway. Here are some pictures: http://www.groessler.org/bild/bcs2035-1.jpg http://www.groessler.org/bild/bcs2035-2.jpg http://www.groessler.org/bild/bcs2035-3.jpg http://www.groessler.org/bild/bcs2035-4.jpg http://www.groessler.org/bild/bcs2035-5.jpg http://www.groessler.org/bild/bcs2035-6.jpg http://www.groessler.org/bild/bcs2035-7.jpg http://www.groessler.org/bild/bcs2035-8.jpg http://www.groessler.org/bild/bcs2035-9.jpg http://www.groessler.org/bild/bcs2035-10.jpg http://www.groessler.org/bild/bcs2035-11.jpg The covers missing on the pictures are all present. When turned on the monitor displays a blinking "HALT" message. I don't know if this is serious. I'm living in the Munich area. regards, chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verf?gt ?ber einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com

17 years, 8 months

HERO1 For sale...

by atomkey＠yahoo.com

Greetings. I am interested in purchasing a HERO1 (fro heathkit). The original asking price from 1979 - 1982 was about $1,500.00 I think $150.00 would be a fair trade. What do you think? Referenced here: http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2007-December/089541.html Thank you. Atomkey.

17 years, 8 months

Free DECMATE

by ken.rauhala＠nokia.com

Located in Merrimack NH, USA. Need to pick up before August 28. Contact: Kauno Rauhala (603) 883-8214 email: ken.rauhala at nokia.com

17 years, 8 months

Opening computer museums

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 07:35 AM 8/20/2008, William Donzelli wrote: >And the answer is the American Museum of Electricity, in Niskayuna, >NY, near Albany. In the early 1960s, some of the people involved >apparently were very much forward thinkers, and planned to have an >entire wing of their building dedicated to computers. Other wings >dealt with other branches of electricity and electronics. Here's a few ambitious pictures. http://www.ginosrailpage.com/TandS/AME.html - John

17 years, 8 months

yet again: shipping advice

by tiggerlasv＠aim.com

Yes, you can do better on shipping. I am assuming that you're dropping the freight off at Craters & Freighters. With that in mind: Call Craters back, and have them quote you JUST on the packaging. Have them do the packing. . . they do good work. Pick the unit back up from them (They will more than likely put it into a large box, banded to a skid.) Take the unit to Forward Air in Des Plaines, and have them send it to Austin, hold for pickup. (They can also deliver it in Austin, but that of course is extra.) You can obtain a rate quote from them by calling their 800 number. See their website at: http://www.ForwardAir.com Forward Air will not accept unboxed or improperly packaged items. Based on the dimensions you provided, 48" x 30" x 42", I would GUESS that, packaged, you're looking at about 54" x 36" x 48" or so. . . That will give you a CHARGEABLE weight of about 375 lbs. . . Forward Air would charge about $207 total, to move it from Chicago to Austin. (Again, that is only from their dock, to their dock in Austin.) Although ForwardAir has relatively few problems with larger, properly packaged items, I would still insure it. As info. . . . T

17 years, 8 months

Vintage Computer and Gaming Marketplace

by mbbrutman-cctalk＠brutman.com

Just a quick introduction - besides being the guy who can't make his IBM 6904-20 Lighted Programmable Function Keyboard work on a serial port and writing a TCP/IP stack from scratch that runs on a PCjr, I am also a moderator at The Vintage Computer Forums web forum ( http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/ ) . Some of you are regulars there too, but it is more PC and smaller computer oriented than most of you on this list are. We have many of the same problems with well known auction sites that many subscribers here have. We also have enough traffic in our 'for sale' section of the forum to finally warrant a more structured auction type service. So we are happy to announce "The Vintage Computer and Gaming Marketplace" at http://marketplace.vintage-computer.com/ . The idea is give vintage computer collectors an alternative to your favorite big site that is more targeted to our specific interests. It is simple to use, it supports auctions and normal fixed price sales, and there is none of this sniping bogusness that happens on eBay. Best of all, it's completely free to use - no listing fees. Thanks for reading, Mike PCjr nutcase and soon to be TRS-80 Model 4 nutcase

17 years, 8 months

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