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by rdawson16＠hotmail.com

Gang, I went to the Tektronix surplus sale today for the first time. Wow! welcome to Beaverton! I Picked up a 7004A and half a dozen plug ins for $90; 2006 cal tags on everything and it works fine. I also got a Dell P4 1.76 Ghz 40G hard drive PC for $35, boots up fine too. I plan to go on this by-monthly visit so if you need a good scope or parts let me know. I want a Ardent or Stellar or Stardent if any body finds one being dumped. Randy Dawson _________________________________________________________________ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cn…

17 years, 6 months

need schematic for BLC 80/05 multibus board

by jonb＠meyersound.com

I am a volunteer at the Oakland Aviation Museum. We are trying to restore a 1980 vintage cockpit training system. It contains a Multibus board by National Semiconductor, model BLC 80/05 (along with dual CA Naked Minis, and several other 8085 boards). Evidently this is a knockoff of the Intel SBC 80/05. We are trying to locate documentation for this board so that we can repair it. We are in desperate need of a schematic. Even an SBC 80/05 schematic may help. Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated. --jon CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attachment hereto may contain confidential information of Meyer Sound Laboratories, Incorporated and is intended for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient), you have received this message in error and any review, distribution, or copying of this message or any attachment hereto is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please promptly notify the sender and permanently delete it from your computer.

17 years, 6 months

NEC SX-4B on Ebay

by auringer＠tds.net

There is an NEC "supercomputer" currently with no bids ($100 starting) on Ebay (140272067125). I would hate to see it get scrapped, but I am not in a position to buy it. There are not many hits on the auction page, so I thought I would spread the word here. Only a few hours left. Jon

17 years, 6 months

A classic tale: looking for bits

by IanK＠vulcan.com

Not too long ago I scored a DEC VSXXX-AB graphics tablet on eBay, but after I'd put in the bid I realized I'd forgotten to verify that it came with the stylus and/or puck. Needless to say, it didn't. <sigh> So now I'm looking for one, the other, or preferably both, preferably not too costly (I want to hook this up to my own DECstation 5000 at home). Anyone have such a thing rattling about in a drawer? Thanks - Ian UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. Ian S. King, Vintage Systems Engineer Vulcan, Inc. http://www.pdpplanet.org

17 years, 6 months

Looking for Gifford's Concurrent Dos-86 for CompuPro 8-16

by jimgeneva＠dorisland.net

Do you only have 8 inch disks or do you hae 5.25 disks as well? jim

17 years, 6 months

Things to do in Florida panhandle?

by evan＠snarc.net

I'm making plans to be in the Florida panhandle on May 2nd next year. (a relative's college graduation). I will be staying in Fort Walton Beach, although I can get a rental car. Anything to do there for a vintage computer geek like me? Or, anyone have a big collection there and just want to hang out?

17 years, 6 months

FS: $5 + $10 items

by rescue＠hawkmountain.net

$5 Items (plus actual ship, or you pick up in Sharon or Cambridge, MA) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- APEX Outlook EL-84DT (with the DT crossed out and SP handwritten) - 8 port serial concentrator Indigo 2 audio module - 2 available 4 x 8M 72 pin SIMMS for SGI with gold fingers - 2 sets available DEC Turbo Channel PMAG A card HP Printer PAL (turns LJ III, III/D/P, 4, 4P/L/PLUS, 5P) into laser fax machine - new sealed in box 2G SCA SCSI drive - multiple available 4G SCA SCSI drive - multiple available Maxtor MXT1240S 50 pin 1.2 G SCSI drive (3.5" HH) - these drives somtimes don't spin up on first power on SGI PM3 Indigo 2 CPU (200MHz 1M cache) $10 Items (plus actual ship, or you pick up in Sharon or Cambridge, MA) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9G SCA SCSI drive - multiple available SPARCClassic, no HD, 6 x 501-1991 SIMMs Ultra 10 with 333MHz 2M cache CPU, no ram, no HD Mouse Systems PC Jr Mouse (optical, no pad (could use pad from Sun)) 3Com 3C597TX Fast Ethernet EISA (use on Indigo 2 for 100baseTX !) Let me know if there is anything here you want.... before I scrap some of it, ebay other bits, etc... -- Curt

17 years, 6 months

2 items for $5

by rescue＠hawkmountain.net

pick any two items and they are just $5 + actual shipping costs. let me know ASAP if you want anything here, as this stuff will be going to the trash by Sunday. If you are local to me, you can pick up anything on this list for free.... but let me know ASAP so I can put it aside for you. PCI RAID card, SCSI HVD (differential), for Alpha (so I'm told) Sun 501-1720 SLC mainboard w/o NVRAM Sun 501-1720 SLC mainboard (w (dead?) NVRAM) 501-1840 Sbus expansion sbus card Coleco ADAM setup manual Artecon SmartBox adapter board (Artecon's version of sbus expansion) Global Villiage teleport Platinum Fax Modem model A812 (for Mac) Maxtor RXT-800S Magneto Optical drive (not tested (no media)) Syquest SparQ 1.0GB internal drive (not tested (no media)) Corporate Systems Center PCI DIFF SCSI card (HVD), for sparc ? Compaq drive 'sled' for Pentium II (and III ?) generation -- has the two purple tabs/levers on the left/right ediges LaCie FM radio tuner for Macs (ADB) Performance Technology PT-PCI450 SCSI 3 Ultra Wide Fast Diff (HVD) (Sun?) 2 PCI FDDI cards Olicom OC-3161 16 serial port ISA card (just ISA card) 2 x 5G + 1 x 4G laptop hard drives (password locked?) SyQuest EZ Drive 135M EZ135EXT,P/PORT parallel port drive untested SyQuest SQ555 40M drive Sun 501-1861 ELC board untested Apple QuickTake Battery Charger KB-39PA (4xAA charger) Sparcstation 20 hard drive 'carrier' 1G SCA scsi drives HP Deskjet 600Cse (needs new ink cartridge) Compaq PS4000 Power supply compaq part number 270371-001 HP C2490A 2G differential SCSI drives 3.5" HH (6 available) Compaq LCD front panel for Proliant 6000 and others Sealed Copy of PC Anywhere 9.0 Sealed copy of McAfee VirusScan Security Suite (from the 90s) -- Curt

17 years, 6 months

cctech Digest, Vol 62, Issue 34

by jefferwin＠gmail.com

> > <snip> > > > Ok, Jeff, I am wondering what you might be referring to. I think you > might be thinking of PL/M-86, which I'm not that familiar with. No, it's definitely PLM80 I am currently using. > > > Intel, generally, would issue two manuals for PL/M-80 (and ASM-80 as > well). One manual is the PL/M-80 Programming Manual and one is the > ISIS-II PL/M-80 Compiler Operator's Manual. I have in front of me the > "PL/M-80 Programming Manual", no. 9800268B, which is dated 1977, and the > DATA construct is in it. It is used at load time to set initial values > of variables. I believe that this manual applies to several versions of > PL/M-80, including V4 and earlier ones. It is basically a syntax manual. Well...if you are going to let facts get in the way.... Your actual manual wins out over my rusty brain cells. It is the manual above, the Programmers Manual, that I lust after. The one thing that seems to have changed from V3 to V4 is the following statement: In V3: DECLARE HELLO DATA ('Hello world.'); in V4: DECLARE HELLO (*) BYTE DATA ('Hello world.'); There are other subtle changes I have found. I discovered these as I was using older PLM source code for CPM as a programming example, and certain constructs were being rejected by the V4 compiler. I could also just be screwing something up. I always reserve the right to do that... > > I have the "ISIS-II PL/M-80 Compiler Operator's Manual", no. 9800300-04, > dated 3/82. It is the manual that was issued specifically for V4.0 of > the compiler. There are several "$" commands listed. All those "$" > commands are also listed in the V3.0/V3.1 version of that manual > (9800300C). I have this for V3, I figured out the V4 compiler commands by going through the PLM80 executable. V3 used the $P=1 construct, V4 used the $CODE/$NOCODE constructs which were a lot clearer. The $P=1 model does not work with the V4 compiler I have, the one with the overlays. > > > The Programming Manual did not change from V3.0 to V4.0. The language > was really the same. I programmed a lot in those days and I never had > to change anything moving from V3 to V4. It would be interesting to look up the DATA syntax above in V3 and V4 and see what is confusing me. > > > I think the main changes from 3 to 4 had to do with newer operating > system environments. Newer versions of ISIS-II could have more than the > four or six or seven disk drives by allowing networked drive assignments > up through :F9:. File names could be longer, as well. I think those > were some of the differences from V3.x to V4.0. But the language syntax > was the same. > > > > >>> Specifically, I am in need of: > >>> > >>> 98-00268B plm 80 programming manual, V4 > >>> > >>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> Jeff Erwin > >>> > >>> By the way, I am running the ISIS-II emulator in a DOS box under > windows, > >>> itself an emulator. Windows is running under Parallels on my Mac Pro > >>> > > which > > > >>> is running OSx. Is it possible to get further from reality here?? > >>> > >>> > > > Can I offer to pay you for a copy of the two manuals you refer to above? Jeff Erwin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:50:44 -0500 > From: wgungfu at uwm.edu > Subject: RE: article ref to 50th birthday of video games > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <1224111044.48f673c4a3527 at panthermail.uwm.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Except both are computer games, not video games, despite the PR move by > some > companies to push them as otherwise. This was already all hashed out in > the > courts. > > Marty > > Quoting Paul_Koning at Dell.com: > > > Neat. That predates the PDP-1 "spacewar" game, which I had thought of as > the > > oldest. And it may still be the oldest video game on a digital computer. > > > > paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto: > cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On > > Behalf Of Brent Hilpert > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:17 PM > > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > > Subject: article ref to 50th birthday of video games > > > > Old news for many here perhaps, but here's a writeup about physicist > William > > Higinbotham's creation of "Tennis-for-two" at Brookhaven Labs in 1958: > > > > http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/10/15/tech-games.html > > > > Mentions how the initial inspiration came from reading the manual for an > > analog > > computer and how it could be used for ballistic trajectory calculations. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 28 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:51:08 -0400 (EDT) > From: Alexandre Lag?e-Jacques <alexandre.laguejacques at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Symbolics Genera (was "NEC SX-4B on Ebay") > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0810151845510.2697 at localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII > > >>> It's a UNIX box, man. The most (programmer-)friendly OS in > >>> existence. At least for even moderately technical people. > >> There are UNIX-compatible people and non-UNIX-compatible people (cf > >> Unix Hater's Handbook). > > > >Even aside from that, I'm not convinced. I think Symbolics Genera is > >arguably more programmer-friendly, though that could just be because I > >find Lisp a much nicer language than C. (There may be even better > >OSes; that's just what I have personal experience with.) > > This message pertains to der Mouse's comment... Out of idle curiosity I > looked up Symbolics Genera and the story of the Lisp machines... > Fascinating! Any idea of how to get one's hands on such a machine? eBay is > not forthcoming although they have been mentioned in some old messages on > cctalk. > > - Alex > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 29 > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:02:08 +0200 > From: "Stephane Tsacas" <stephane.tsacas at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Symbolics Genera (was "NEC SX-4B on Ebay") > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: > <ebdb53760810151602u51d44595o5939528172f405b7 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2008/10/16 Alexandre Lag?e-Jacques <alexandre.laguejacques at gmail.com> > > > It's a UNIX box, man. The most (programmer-)friendly OS in > >>>> existence. At least for even moderately technical people. > >>>> > >>> There are UNIX-compatible people and non-UNIX-compatible people (cf > >>> Unix Hater's Handbook). > >>> > >> > >> Even aside from that, I'm not convinced. I think Symbolics Genera is > >> arguably more programmer-friendly, though that could just be because I > >> find Lisp a much nicer language than C. (There may be even better > >> OSes; that's just what I have personal experience with.) > >> > > > > This message pertains to der Mouse's comment... Out of idle curiosity I > > looked up Symbolics Genera and the story of the Lisp machines... > > Fascinating! Any idea of how to get one's hands on such a machine? > > > Check : > http://www.unlambda.com/cadr/index.html > Nice CADR emulator, works. > > St?phane > (Looking for a Nova switch key). > > > End of cctech Digest, Vol 62, Issue 34 > ************************************** >

17 years, 6 months

Printers, printer parts (dye sub, laser, and inkjet), maintenance manuals

by rescue＠hawkmountain.net

I have: Tektronix Phaser 350 Model 2350 Options FX has PhaserShare Ethernet Card installed got it to spit out one page... was messy... might just need new ink and a good cleaning. I will part this out ... or free for local pickup (Sharon, MA or Cambridge, MA) Xerox DocuPrint P12 laser printer had paper feed issue... feeds ok with printer at 45 degree angle but not resting flat on desk. Did not investigate why... should be a simple fix (maybe even just clean paper feed roller?) free for local pickup (Sharon, MA or Cambridge, MA) HP Deskjet 660Cse inkjet printer will need new ink cartridge(s) free for local pickup (Sharon, MA or Cambridge MA) or $5 + actual ship Laserjet 98A toner cartridge, 2 (1 new in box, 1 new not in box) (for LJ4s and LJ5s) (would trade for LJ6 carts) Brother TN-5000PF toner for IntelliFAX FAX2750/3550/3650/3750 MFC-4450/4550/4550PLUS/4660 6550MC/6680MC/7550MC/7650MC/7750MC Digital LN03 toner kits Digital LN03 maintenance kits Digital LN03 Programmer Reference Manual Apple Service Technical Procedures for Laser Printers this covers the original Apple LaserWriter p/n 072-0163 TI Microlaser Personal Laser Printer Maintenance Manual p/n 2559877-0001 Canon SX engine laser printer parts (LaserWriter II/IINT/IINTX/IIF/IIG, Laserjet II, III, QMS PS810/PS815) including fans, power supplies, gears, logic boards (LaserWriter IINT, QMS PS810), etc. Anything not labelled free is make an offer. Some of this stuff will hit the dumpster by mid next week if not sooner. -- Curt

17 years, 6 months

OT: Administrative Issue

by lists＠databasics.us

Hello, All, Many thanks to those who offered assistance in my attempt to change my address on the list. I was successful. Apparently, the sixth time is the charm. Previous to writing, I followed the methods listed in the suggestions, including changing my current account, and adding a new account. Nothing worked. I went in through the main page of classiccmp.org. But, when I followed the links given in the suggestion messages, it worked. I don't understand it, but, I accept the results. <Grin> Again, thank you to all who responded, publicly and privately... This is a good crowd. Sincerely, Warren Wolfe

17 years, 6 months

Need help with dead 11/23+

by charlesmorris800＠centurytel.net

Now that my VT220 is working again after I replaced the defective LK201 keyboard, the 11/23+ (4 Mb, two RL02's) it's attached to has died!! Last week, although the keyboard was dead, it would come up as far as the prompt: 2048. KW START? to which I couldn't enter the usual "Y", of course. Now nothing comes up at all and the RUN lamp lights for about 3 seconds, then goes out. About 6-8 seconds later it flashes briefly. Entering various things from the keyboard e.g. Y<CR>, 773000G<CR> etc. has no apparent effect. Installing the "Field Service Test Jumper" (console port loopback) causes characters to echo to the screen, so the VT220 and port are ok. I pulled all the boards except the CPU - no change. +5 and +12 supplies (measured on the board) are spot-on according to my Fluke DVM. LED's lit on the KDF-11BA board are: green (Power), and D4 and D5 (the two LSB red ones). If the HALT front panel switch is down, then all four red LED's stay on after flipping the restart switch. Can someone point me to a table of the diagnostic LED meanings? The KDF-11BA User Manual mentions them but I can't find a list of just what they indicate. thanks for any helpful hints -Charles

17 years, 6 months

Things to do in Florida panhandle?

by tonym＠compusource.net

Ft Walton Beach / Crestview - well, you can sit around and watch the grass grow..... Seriously - ain't "nuttin' fer miles around." If you're driving, you can check around local thrift shops and mom -n- pop computer shops. Check to see where the Gov't/military surplus depots are... other than that, you're kinda' stuck - that's the bush... not to mention the area is relatively barren, as that is sort of a military area, and most of the troops are deployed, so some areas are ghost towns. Friend of mine just moved back down here to Miami from Crestview, as he had to close up shop on his computer store, as there was just not enough business - everyone's gone. Sean - mebbe we need to get together and see if we can swap stuff :) Ping me offline. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Sean Conner spc at conman.org Sent 10/16/2008 8:29:43 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Things to do in Florida panhandle? It was thus said that the Great Evan Koblentz once stated: I'm making plans to be in the Florida panhandle on May 2nd next year. (a relative's college graduation). I will be staying in Fort Walton Beach, although I can get a rental car. Anything to do there for a vintage computer geek like me? Or, anyone have a big collection there and just want to hang out? I have a collection, but I'm way down the peninsula in Boca Raton, home of the IBM PC (and just around the corner from the former home of IBM Boca Raton). And aside from that, I'm not aware of anything else classic computer related in Florida. -spc (Blue Lake ... um, T-Rex (as it's now known) is quite impressive)

17 years, 6 months

Code reviewers sought for Lilith emulator.

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

Emulith, my ETH / Diser Lilith emulator is nearly complete. However I would really appriciate if someone with a good grasp of X11/xlib programming could have a look at the sourcecode. I am looking at tips to speed up the program, currently it runs, on my AMD64 2 GHz, at somewhat the speed of the real thing (7 MHz). There must be ways to speed it up... Any takers ? Jos

17 years, 6 months

replacing the Model M

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

Now that the current Sun keyboards are USB and don't feel like mush (like the Type 6 does), I'm pondering getting a Type 7. Furthermore, I'm thinking that perhaps other vendors of Linux machines should start offering Type 7 keyboards. If you think about it, such a keyboard would be perfect for getting people to use [lu]n[iu]x given the action keys along the left side. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

17 years, 6 months

FS: Alto's 580 near Seattle WA

by michaelgreen42＠comcast.net

After my last batch of Altos machines I managed to acquire a nice Alto's 580. I believe it is the HD model because there is only a single floppy in it. It came with some software most of it originals (MPM, Diags, etc) and about 10 or so original manuals. It powers up fine but I don't have the cable to hook it up to my terminal. The terminal I have is an ADDs model with keyboard/CRT that I am also considering selling (have the manual for this too).

17 years, 6 months

DEC LN03 laser printer 'goodies'

by curtis＠hawkmountain.net

I have maintenance kits, toner kits, font cartridges, RAM font cartridges (LN03X), and a LN03 Programmer Reference Manual. Any interest ? Make an offer on any item (toner kit, maintenance kit, font cartridges, the manual, etc).... -- Curt

17 years, 6 months

Mixed results with PET video circuit

by ethan.dicks＠usap.gov

Hi, all, >From the amount of traffic my questions spawned, I thought it only fair to post a follow-up. I built the 74LS02 circuit nearly as described, but with no cap between the PET and the horizontal sync inverter. I wasn't surprised when I got nothing on an LCD with composite input, so I dragged out the 9" mono security monitor and was instantly rewarded with a PET BASIC prompt - the only problem was that I couldn't lock in the horizontal. I could get close, so that it was mostly stable, but over time, it would roll faster and faster, no matter how I tweaked the monitor. I tried the "PET Revealed" trick of a pot on the hsync pull-down, but that didn't seem to make much of an impact, and neither did removing it entirely. So I was able to see the PET work, but from a use standpoint, don't quite have the right tweaks on the basic circuit. I'm out of time for the season, or I'd keep fiddling with it (we could get new folks in here in as little as a week, if all the early-season plans go well, and weather permitting, as always). Thanks for all the feedback. I understand things a lot better now, and I'm happy to say that the first time I powered it up, I got recognizable video, even if it did list to port a bit. -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-333-S Current South Pole Weather at 16-Oct-2008 at 15:00 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -59.3 F (-50.7 C) Windchill -86.4 F (-65.8 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 7.0 kts Grid 336 Barometer 672.2 mb (10924 ft) Ethan.Dicks at usap.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html

17 years, 6 months

3.5" floppy drive question(s)

by rescue＠hawkmountain.net

Was wondering if 3.5" HD floppy drives can be jumpered/used in a system that only supports 720K, using them as 720K only drives ? I only own one 720K floppy drive (wouldn't mind a few more). If that is possible, and only possible with some drives, anyone know if it is possible with any of the following: Panasonic JU-257A827P Panasonic JU-256A216P Sony MP-F17W-09 SMM Samsung SFD-321D/T Epson SMD-1300 TEAC FD-235HF Also, anyone know if there if it is possible to slow the spindle speed so that 1.44M can be done on machines that only have DD data rate ? (and if so, any of the above drives capable of being slowed ?) Would that even work ? -- Curt

17 years, 6 months

cctech Digest, Vol 62, Issue 33

by jefferwin＠gmail.com

> > >Jeff Erwin said the following on 10/14/2008 1:56 PM: > >> The Starplex was the NS answer to the MDS, but was much more 'late 70's' > in > >> its design. The prom programmer was built into the system, as was the > >> screen and floppy drives. All very modular. I learned asm80 writing > the > >> editor and assembler for that beast. > ?>> > >> > >snip > >> Version 4 was radically different from the 3.X and prior versions. The > >> earlier versions used the $X controls, version 4 used the controls that > were > >> then used in the PLM86 compiler. Also, the DATA statement was > eliminated > >> and other language constructs were changed. PLM80 V3 code would not > compile > >> without mods. I remember it being released at about the same time the > 8086 > >> and PLM86 was was released and the effort was to make PLM80 and PLM86 > >> somewhat similar. The PLM80 3.x docs are pretty much worthless if you > are > >> using the 4.0 compiler. 4.0 was also one executable, a big change from > the > >> PLM81 and PLM82 2-pass method the earlier versions used. > >> > >> > > > >I'm confused. I have V4 of the "resident" compiler, that is, the one > >that runs on an MDS Series II or MDS-800. Those machines had either an > >8080 or an 8085 cpu. I'm putting in a very small screen shot below of > >the files. Hopefully this is ok for the list. It shows that there are > >6 overlay files to this compiler. It is not one monolithic executable. > >Are you sure you aren't talking about the PL/M-86 compiler that runs on > >an MDS Series III? That one is 8086-based. > > > >If, indeed, you have an 8080-based compiler for PL/M-80 that is one > >large file, I would like to see that. It is new to me. I think we are both right, although I am guilt of not being clearer. The earlier versions required two executables, plm81 and plm82. Version 4 went to a single executable with 7 overlays, plm80.ov0 to plm80.ov6. I think this is what you are seeing. It isn't really 'one big executable' so I misspoke. If you see the overlays, you have version 4. The source for CPM (2.2 I think) seems to be in the PLM80 v4 format, I am picking up a lot of the specifics from there, but if you can find the actual docs...! Thanks for looking. By the way, your boss was right to be wary of National Semi in those days, the management of the group creating Starplex was pretty squirrely. I stayed a year out of school before I was hired by INtel and moved to Oregon. Intel was a $300M company when I went there! Jeff > > > > >snip > >> > >> I'd love to get a copy of whatever you have relative to 4.0. Emailing > the > >> PDF is probably easiest, I am more than happy to pay any costs > associated. > >> > >> > > >I did a quick look for my plm docs and didn't find them. I'll look more > >tonight. I know they are in my "collection", just have to find them. > > snip > > > >Let me know more about your PL/M-80 compiler, if you can. > > > >Dave > >

17 years, 6 months

OT: Administrative Issue

by warren＠databasics.us

Hello, Sorry to bother the list, but I've tried four or five times, and written to what appears to be Jay's address to no avail. I'm trying to swich my current list address, warren at ... to lists at ... I need some assistance, please. Warren

17 years, 6 months

Symbolics Genera (was "NEC SX-4B on Ebay")

by alexandre.laguejacques＠gmail.com

>>> It's a UNIX box, man. The most (programmer-)friendly OS in >>> existence. At least for even moderately technical people. >> There are UNIX-compatible people and non-UNIX-compatible people (cf >> Unix Hater's Handbook). > >Even aside from that, I'm not convinced. I think Symbolics Genera is >arguably more programmer-friendly, though that could just be because I >find Lisp a much nicer language than C. (There may be even better >OSes; that's just what I have personal experience with.) This message pertains to der Mouse's comment... Out of idle curiosity I looked up Symbolics Genera and the story of the Lisp machines... Fascinating! Any idea of how to get one's hands on such a machine? eBay is not forthcoming although they have been mentioned in some old messages on cctalk. - Alex

17 years, 6 months

article ref to 50th birthday of video games

by hilpert＠cs.ubc.ca

Old news for many here perhaps, but here's a writeup about physicist William Higinbotham's creation of "Tennis-for-two" at Brookhaven Labs in 1958: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/10/15/tech-games.html Mentions how the initial inspiration came from reading the manual for an analog computer and how it could be used for ballistic trajectory calculations.

17 years, 6 months

Apple ][* stuff needs new homes

by us21090＠yahoo.com

All, Thanks to all who responded with the good information. For now my plan is to put a decent Apple ][ together for keeps and sell the other software and hardware. I listed it at http://www.applefritter.com/node/23531 I have put up a few items on ebay : Apple II Pascal Apple II Fortran Apple II GEOS Apple II Software Cassettes I'll be putting more up there over the next couple weeks. If you like Apple stuff keep a watch for ebay seller "10types". I want to spare cctalk these "I'm selling this and this and this" posts. BTW, I told those who responded to me that I just remembered a fun college project with an Apple II, Pascal and a Diablo print wheel printer (actually a print terminal). I programmed it to form graphics and mathematical symbols by taking advantage of the Diablo's micro-spacing features (controlled with escape sequences). Does anyone else remember that? When? Well... I graduated college in 1981 (way back after the discovery of the first bit). Scott ----- Original Message ---- > From: Scott Austin <us21090 at yahoo.com> > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 2:28:06 PM > Subject: Apple ][* stuff needs new homes > > All, > Out of the shadows to say, I need to sell/trade/other my Apple ][* gear. > > I've detailed some of the Apple ][* items at > http://www.applefritter.com/node/23531 > > I'm also interested in hearing which items may be more valuable and > worth putting up on ebay (be that as it is). > > If you have any interest or comments, contact me off-list. > > Thanks, > Scott > us21090 at yahoo.com

17 years, 6 months

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