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Wanted: Processor Technology GPM card...

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

I can buy or trade but I would prefer to trade. I have a large collection of S-100 cards and some other goodies to work a trade with. If it has the CUTTER ROM, all the better. If not, I can burn a 2708 (and I'll probably post a "Wanted: CUTTER ROM dump" message). Thanks, Bill Sudbrink

17 years, 4 months

Can anyone identify these "multipage" terminals?

by legalize＠xmission.com

Anyone recognize these? I've never seen or heard of them before. <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/vintage/multipage.jpg> -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>

17 years, 4 months

"Infoshare" or OEM Netware 1.0? was Re: Novell 68K file server

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

I have to assume then that the software that ran on the 3*'s was a later development then the stuff that ran on the Televideo Personal Mini series (80286 based). Dubbed Infoshare, which was an OEM release of early Netware (and I am looking for it). Other boxes that come to mind are the Northstar Dimension (80186), and an Altos box. Not sure what they ran though. There was a PM/286 too, which ran a later version of Infoshare IINM. ?Anyone familiar w/the Burroughs '286 boxes that also weren't MS-DOS based? ?Sorry didn't mean to *help* hijack the thread. That is a very interesting piece. The peculiar 68k stuff is far and away the rarer birds though, sadly snifful.

17 years, 4 months

8088 vs. 80c88

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

regardless, and be sure I am no expert on semiconductor manufacturing, I'd be surprised to find out that all 8088's were CMOS after a certain date. The 80c88's were used mostly in small laptops, no? (small being anything smaller then that Zenith big honker, w/the shocking blue display. It used a *real* 8088 IINM). A CMOS version would be slower and more prone to damage from static electricity. And it would require less power. Off the top of my head I can't think of any desktops that used them, but I may have actually ran into 1 or 2 in my travels. ?But I am glad you managed to answer your own question Jimbo :) --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org> wrote: From: Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org> Subject: Re: 8088 vs. 80c88 To: General at mail.mobygames.com, "On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 2:49 PM Jim Leonard wrote: > So a simple routine to try to identify the 8088 vs. the 80c88 would look something like: > >???mov? ???cx,2? ? ? ? ? ? ; test if following instruction will be >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???; repeated twice. >???db? ? ? 0F3h,26h,0ACh???; rep es: lodsb >???jcxz? ? Yes? ? ? ? ? ???; intel non-CMOS chips do not care of rep >???jmp? ???Nope? ? ? ? ? ? ; before segment prefix override, NEC and >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???; CMOS-tech ones does. It turns out my information is bad.? The bug only asserts itself when an interrupt occurs during the REP.? Buggy CPUs don't continue; later ones do.? So to fix my detection code, I will increase the count in cx to something much longer, probably f000. -- Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org)? ? ? ? ? ? http://www.oldskool.org/ Help our electronic games project:? ? ? ? ???http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at? ???http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ A child borne of the home computer wars: http://trixter.wordpress.com/

17 years, 4 months

Dr. Dobbs to cease?

by shoppa＠trailing-edge.com

Dr. Dobbs was pretty cool... up until the IBM PC came out and dominated everything. By the mid 80's all the Dr. Dobbs articles were the-latest-TSR-to-do-something-in-MSDOS and it wasn't really worth the effort for me to even look for something interesting in it. That may have marked my turning point towards classic computing, in fact :-). Tim.

17 years, 4 months

Novell 68K file server

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

-- "james" <james at jdfogg.com> wrote: >> Here are some pics of a Novell file server circa 1987. >> http://bitsavers.org/pdf/novell/68k_file_server >> >> Was wondering if anyone had documentation or software for >> this. I had some of the external dual drive scsi boxes for >> these at one point. > > >This reminds me of a similar oddity I used to support years >ago. 3Com made a server, and an OS called 3+ Open. As I >recall, it was an OS/2 - LAN Manager derivative. Ah yes, the era of the 3Server is forever seared into my brain; my first *real* job in the computer business involved the care and feeding of several generations of these beasties. The Original 3Server (about the same vintage as the Novell unit pictured earlier) used an 80188 and a heavily modified version of MS-DOS. It used an early SCSI implementation, which was closer to SASI, to attach MFM disks and QIC tapes via Adaptec bridge boards. Because there were neither video nor ISA bus, there was more room for contiguous DOS memory; something over 700k, which pertty cool at the time. They originally were equipped with 30MB drives, but then the 3Server70 had an 80Mb (unformatted) unit by Vertex. These early boxes had the (optional) QIC tape in an external box; the 3Server3 introduced in 1986 (IIRC) had disk and tape in one box; in addition the 3Server3 could be interfaced with appletalk, and also sported the then-new LIM memory used to speed up the operating system. These 80188 systems all used either 3+Share or EtherSeries NOS's for basic drive sharing. IN addition, 3+Mail, 3+Route (for routing e-mail between sites), 3+Backup and other network applications were supported under the 3+Share NOS (in <1Mb RAM). These were followed by the 3S400 & 3S500 machines, which are not interesing as they are little more than stock ISA 80386 machines running at 16MHz. These guys could run 3+Share, or 3+Open (a.k.a. OS/2 LanMan as pointed out above). ISTR that they added TCP/IP late in that products life. Then Novell took over the world and all of the above 'stuff' died in obscurity. It was at this point where I learned in my life that I had a knack for picking losers. I need a stiff drink now . . . . ____________________________________________________________ Wasting money? Stop, now. Click here for top online coupon websites. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3g7mjTpd5rxcCErbhdwKhlKnl…

17 years, 4 months

Alignment disks, and the creation thereof

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

I've been reading the now increasingly mistitled thread on alignment disks, and it's gotten me thinking. What IS required to make alignment disks? I've always aligned malfunctioning floppy drives "the wrong way", using a known good disk - or an original software disk. On the Commodore 64 (and most systems, really), you can get the drives working well enough like this, but as others have pointed out, it's not the "right way". I just don't have any alignment disks. "Good enough" is much better than "not at all", and I don't mess with the drive alignment unless I have to. I'd love to be able to align drives properly though. And that requires an alignment disk. There are different kinds of alignment disks too - analog and digital, ones that are intended to be used with a special program on a particular computer, and those intended to be used with a scope. With today's modern machining technology, it should definitely be possible to create a system to write new alignment disks. Starting with a standard floppy drive, you could replace the stepper drive with something more precise and controllable. Then, you have to somehow accurately calibrate this whole thing. Is there a document out there that describes the track layout of a standard (say, 5 1/4" 48tpi, 40 track) diskette? There has to be a spec, one that describes exactly the distance between tracks, the width of a track, and the distance from the center hub to the beginning of the first track. If you had that information, and precision measurement tools, one could set up and calibrate the drive to spec. Then, of course, there needs to be a controller for the thing, a computer interface to control the precise positioning of the head, as well as being able to read/write to the disk. It's possible. It's beyond the equipment and tools at my disposal, but it's definitely doable for a hobbyist who has access to a machine shop and good tools. Anyone out there a machinist? :) -Ian

17 years, 4 months

TEK 4107A and TEK 4209 color raster graphic terminals free for pickup in Seattle area (eastside)

by glen.slick＠gmail.com

As the title says, I have a Tektronix 4107A and a Tektronix 4209 color raster graphics terminal which are free for pickup in Seattle area (eastside). These are vintage 1987 and 1988 from the (c) dates on the terminal firmware. Pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/glen.slick/Tektronix4107A http://picasaweb.google.com/glen.slick/Tektronix4209 Reply offlist if you are interested. -Glen

17 years, 4 months

Free: Fujitsu HALStation 300

by silent700＠gmail.com

've got two of these systems. One is working, one may have a bad PSU. Very cool-looking clone of the Sparc in a large tower/deskside case. Yours to pick up in the Chicago area (60074.) Shipping would be tough; these are heavy. I've also got a bunch goodies including the special Solaris distro for Fujitsu and some manuals. Come 'n' get 'em! -- silent700.blogspot.com Retrocomputing and collecting in the Chicago area: http://chiclassiccomp.org

17 years, 4 months

Need Fuji M2312 info

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hi folks. Does anyone have an electronic copy of the manual for the Fujitsu M2312 SMD drive? I need to configure two of them for use on an Emulex SC72 controller and I need to know how to set the DIP switches. Lacking an electronic copy, does anyone have a paper copy, and if so, would you be willing to scan or type in the relevant pages? -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL

17 years, 4 months

test message

by lynchaj＠yahoo.com

Hi, my posts to the CCTALK mailing list do not seem to be getting through. This is a test message. Please disregard. Thank you! Andrew Lynch

17 years, 4 months

Two RK05J's + PDP11/34 Offered

by fsmith＠ladylinux.com

Hi, These are located Near Toronto Canada and will preferably be picked up. Any shipping will have to be arraigned by the buyer. I purchased these from a gentleman off E-Pay a few years back and never came around to getting shipping to the USA sorted. One RK05 is missing the face plate but powers up fine and the other is in great shape and comes ready when a DECpack is installed. The 11/34 powers up fine and seems to be in good shape. Really I would rather sell these to someone here rather than go the E-Pay route. I paid some decent cash for them and would just like to get as much of that back as possible. Trade offers for vintage audio equipment will be considered. Inquire off list please. Pictures http://ladylinux.com/decstuff/1134/1134-1.JPG http://ladylinux.com/decstuff/1134/1134-2.JPG http://ladylinux.com/decstuff/1134/1134-3.JPG http://ladylinux.com/decstuff/1134/1134-4.JPG http://ladylinux.com/decstuff/rk05/RK05-1.JPG http://ladylinux.com/decstuff/rk05/RK05-2.JPG http://ladylinux.com/decstuff/rk05/RK05-3.JPG http://ladylinux.com/decstuff/rk05/RK05-4.JPG http://ladylinux.com/decstuff/rk05/RK05-5.JPG -- Kindest Regards, "No Problems Only Solutions" L.B. Network Consultants LLC. Baltimore, Maryland

17 years, 4 months

Great Find by the Wife

by john_keys＠att.net

Today my wife and daughter were at Goodwill and found a Atari Portfolio in the box with a working Portfolio in it, a 32MB memory card, smart parallel interface, and a file manager/tutorial card with all the manuals/papers for everything. Cost was only $1 plus tax. That got me a few other goodies too. Life is good. John K.

17 years, 4 months

mail blocked

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

To Bill Maddox: Your ISP is using an outdated DNSBL that is blocking all ip addresses (see http://dnsbl.invaluement.com/tqmcube/) Please send me your mailing address and I'll get the guide out to you asap. Just paypal me the amount shown on the postage meter sticker when it arrives. tnx. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

17 years, 4 months

Update...

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

The VT102 manual and Sanyo magazine have been spoken for. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

17 years, 4 months

and yet another...

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

(slowly working through some boxes...) DEC VT102 Video Terminal Users Guide. Pub #EK-VT102-UG-003 219 pages. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

17 years, 4 months

another one for the cost of postage...

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

Soft Sector magazine, Sept 1986. This mag is dedicated to the Sanyo Personal Computer. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

17 years, 4 months

freebies...

by geneb＠deltasoft.com

For the cost of postage: TK50 Subsystem User's Guide. Pub #EK-OTK50-UG-004 LN03 Programmer's Reference Manual. Pub #EK-OLN03-RM-001 g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.

17 years, 4 months

Problems installing Solaris 10 10/08 on Sun Ultra 30

by alexandre.laguejacques＠gmail.com

Hello all, Please, no flames if you don't consider an Ultra 30 a "classic computer". :-) At 300 MHz, it's not terribly recent either. My system is a Sun Ultra 30, 300 MHz, 1.7 GB RAM and a 16 GB hard disk. Trying to install Solaris 10 10/08. The initial installation reboots after having copied Solaris to the hard disk and the machine freezes at the line "creating new dsa pair"... I've given it a few hours on several occasions with no success. Note that NetBSD works just fine on this system and that I encountered the same DSA key problem with Solaris 10 4/08. Also, I had had significant trouble installing NetBSD initially because of defective memory (the system would freeze at "boot cdrom" until I removed the offending items). Once the problem with the memory was resolved, the NetBSD installation worked perfectly and I presume that the remaining sticks are fine. Finally "boot -k" (after the Solaris installation has copied Solaris to the hard disk) yields no further details. - Alex

17 years, 4 months

archiving (was Re: Nicolet 660)

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> I'd like to try and get as much of that as possible on Bitsavers; > what is the usual process for doing that? I don't have a scanner handy > and I really don't have the time to manually scan 1000+ pages of docs. Either loans in chunks to be scanned at CHM, or I have loaner scanner systems that can be sent there.

17 years, 4 months

archiving (was Re: Nicolet 660)

by aek＠bitsavers.org

> I get the impression > that there is NO effort by any official archive to collect manuals and > such Stanford Library special collections have the Ampex and Apple archives, which contain manuals. The Charles Babbage Institute at the University of Minnesota as well as the institution I work for (The Computer History Museum) have extensive manual collections. Test equipment is out of the scope of CBI or CHM's collecting scope, though. > test equipment seems to be a poorly covered area in the museum > and archive world. But seems to be getting coverage from private collectors and some companies (like Agilent). If there were significant numbers of people from universities at this conference, you should have noticed that they have problems enough trying to fund the archiving of the contents that their own institutions, without actively collecting on the outside. This reminds me of a friend from years ago that was a fan of steam traction engines. No "official" institution collected documentation on them, but there were preservation organizations that kept their own archives. The problem, of course, is if the society is disbanded without a long-term recipient for the material collected.

17 years, 4 months

reversing case yellowing

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

Over at Atariage.com is a discussion about reversing the yellowing of plastic. The procedure was designed by chemical and plastics engineers. It works and doesn't weaken the plastic. See http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=138244&hl= and http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=37808 for the original source. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu

17 years, 4 months

Ideas for disposing of entire collection

by robert.stek＠gmail.com

I am happy to report that my large S-100 collection is going to a single person, both to expand his own collection and for eventual sale to other collectors. [sigh!] If only I had another 400 sq ft and another 40 hours/week. Thanks to everyone who responded with some good ideas (and requests!). The important thing to me is that it is all going to someone who will not be cutting off connectors to melt down for gold! I'm sure that he will let list members know what he has available in the next few months. Bob Stek Former Saver of Lost Sols

17 years, 4 months

Nicolet 660

by charlesmorris800＠centurytel.net

> Hmm. Yeah, I've never heard of Nicolet either. Interesting find! In the early 80's the company I worked for had a very neat little portable audio-range FFT spectrum analyzer called the "Mini-Ubiquitous". Always wanted one. In '92 the USAF transferred me to Dayton OH (home of Mendelson's Surplus) and they had one sitting in the pile of instruments for quite some time... but they wanted $400 for it. So they are hardly "ubiquitous" since I've only spotted two :) -Charles ps anyway I acquired an HP 3580A for $100 at the Hamvention which was an easy fix... anyone know where I can get some decent knobs for it?

17 years, 4 months

My reply - Boot Disk Needed for Kaypro 2X

by FJGJR1＠aol.com

Larry, >From the info you gave and the info I have, I offer the following. You need a "CP / M boot disk", not an MS-DOS boot disk for the Kaypro 2X - either 2.2H or 2.2G. CP / M. Your mainboard shoud be an 81-294 [underneath board usually under serial port] and the ROM version should be 81-292-A - white label on the about 1" size chip at U47. But since you have a Turbo upgrade, the chip may have just a Turbo designation. Any manufacturer designation and revision / year, etc. could also be important. Also check what the U43 chip label is - usually again a white label on a 1" size chip. There is also a Kaypro 2X / MTC version. How do you really know it is a 2X - cover designation, back plate designation, etc.? These are all common questions many ask and many of us answer as best we can >from the info you give and the info we have All the best and keep us informed of your progress. We like to keep "vintage" computers running and in "good homes!" ========================================================================== In a message dated 2/11/2009 9:42:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, laptoplarry at gmail.com writes: Frank, Thank you for the information! My original plan is/was to retrieve my Compaq Portable (my wife buried it in a closet) to create a boot disk...only to find that I could not locate the MS-DOS boot disk for the Compaq?!?! While in the closet, I also retrieved a MacPlus that booted A-OK from a removable hard drive...except I could not find the mouse! Mac no mouse = no go... So, I have no 5.25 360K drive available to create a boot disk for either the Compaq or the Kaypro :-( I'm now wondering if I can find a SCSI 5.25 low density drive to attach to the portable hard drive of the MAC to create a boot disk for the Compaq. >From the Compaq's DOS I'd be able to create the boot disk for the Kaypro using the usual tools. Of course, I'd have to locate a mouse appropriate for the MAC... I guess the ideal thing would be to find a drive and controller for my "modern" machine. I'll check out the leads you gave me. Hopefully some kind soul will send me a bootable Kaypro disk and/or a MS-DOS disk on 5.25 360K media. Hey! Ain't this fun! -Larry ... -- This is not an automated signature. I type this in to the bottom of every message. Larry, Go to _www.vintage-computer.com_ (http://www.vintage-computer.com) and do a search on that topic. Also, contact "Sharkonwheels" there - again do a search - he posts a lot. He is into the Kaypros "after" 1983 versions - i.e. the "2X's", I am into the 1983 versions. Looks like it may have been upgraded with the Turbo. I believe such upgrades are still available for the post 1983 versions - Advent might be a search word to use. Shark will know. He even sells modified Kaypros of that era. Getting the right boot disk for the specific Kaypro you have is critical - many do not understand this - today you need Windows - there are not very many main options. Kaypro had about 15 - 20 different versions before they went bankrupt. Also, in those hectic times, many "unofficial' modifications were made that may not have been documented, by Kaypro and previous owners of such computers. Modifications and upgrades were very common in order to try to keep them running efficiently, until the inevitable change to windows, after we all invested so much in those systems, especially our time! Sometimes you just have to take the top off and look around, especially at chips at U43 and U47. Please post your results on that site so others can benefit. You can check my site out - _www.kayprosts.org_ (http://www.kayprosts.org) - under the folder "special" for a draft of my book on computers of that era and a 2008 Kaypro calendar I did - lots of pictures of my 6 1983 Kaypros modified to Kaypro " 8 ' 's. All the best. Frank **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002)

17 years, 4 months

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