- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Thanks for the update that's what I was figured would be the answer. The S-bus card was a surprise, now I have to go on the hunt. Thanks again John At 10:20 PM 1/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >> Sun SPAREprinter model QA-6, anyone know how to do a self >> print test on this unit I can not find any buttons or anything; > >It will not do much unless you have it connected to a SPARCstation running >NeWSprint. The SPARCstation also requires a special S-bus card to >interface to the printer. > >In other words, you have either a worthless printer, or a good excuse to >go get yourself a SPARCstation. > >William Donzelli >william(a)ans.net > > >

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Point Four, Anadex, C-64 questions

by rws＠ais.net

I have several questions on some computers I have that I'm stuck in the mud on. Point Four Data Systems Mark 3 minicomputer: This thing dates from 1985-ish. It's rack-mountable, and I have a CDC Lark 25+25MB removable hard drive for it. The manuals I got with it are for a different model of computer. I can get into the MANIP monitor but few of the commands do anything (particularly the one to IPL off the drive- it either hangs or goes back to the MANIP prompt immediately.) I don't know if the drive or any of the cartridges contain anything at all. Does anyone know *anything* about this thing? Any info would be helpful, as I'm out of ideas. Anadex DP-6500 RapidScribe printer: I'm told it works. All of the DIP switches are set off (and there's 30+ of them). It doesn't do much at all. Does anyone have the DIP switch settings for it? I've searched the WWW and found ribbons for sale but that's it. Commodore 64: I bought a boxful of C=64 stuff today at a nifty junk market I've never noticed before. The 64 boots to one of the following screens (at random): black, blue and black stripes, blue and red stripes, red screen, red-white-blue-black stripes, white and black stripes, or multi-colored graphical garbage. Does this sound like a common failure mode, and if so, which chip? Also, what's a fair price for a Coleco Adam system: 2 keyboards, memory box with datacassette drives, external numeric keypad with knob (paddle?), and printer. One more: fair price for Apple //c+ system: CPU, monitor, two disk drives (one Apple, one other). Enough questions. Thanks for your help, Richard Schauer rws(a)ais.net

28 years, 2 months

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More stuff

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi, Picked up a few more items today. A book named The AmigaDOS Manual by The Bantam Amiga Library and a copy of the Operating Manual for Jet also for the Amiga. Also two manuals for Commodore disk drives, one says 1541C and the other says 1541. And a GEOS User's Mamual for the Commodore 64 or 128. Any need any of this stuff? E-mail me privately. Also got a strange Commodore cable. It has what looks like a double ended HP-IB connector one end and a card edge connector on the other. All the connectors have 24 contacts. Both ends have a heavy braided ground strap. It looks like it's about 2 foot long. Any one know what this is for? Joe

28 years, 2 months

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Interesting Find

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

How is it I always manage to get so far behind? Sorry for the late response... At 06:17 PM 1/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >Found an interesting (at least to me) luggable/portable at the local thrift >the other day. It's a Sharp PC-7100. Very compact and sharp (no pun) >design. About half the size and weight of an old Compaq, with a detatchable Best I can figure it, (based on my 3,) is the PC-7000 had two floppy drives, the PC-7100 gave up a floppy for the hard drive. These are actually more interesting than you might think at first glance. Notice how the handle can slide towards the back so it's off-center? Notice the little metal inserts along the top edge of the back? There's a printer (I've only got one) that attaches to the back for portability. The handle can either be centered on just the main unit or on the main unit and the printer. >it. BTW, the screen has a blue/purple sort of tint to it. Kind of >attractive in a psychodelic sort of way ( oh please, no more drug-related I'm afraid I've got no docs, and it's been a while since I've booted any of mine so I can't even say if any have the same tint. I would be interested in hearing anything you find out about it, though! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 2 months

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Sound Master PC card, etc.

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Sorry that I don't have all the information, but here goes: I've got a freidn with an early Pentium 75, purchased July 1995. Needless to say, it doesn't have Windows 95. When trying to insall some "classic" Sierra games, like the VGA Quest For Glory; the install progam has a list of sound cards that it supports. It puts a check by sound cards supported by your system (IE Sound Blaster 16 would be a Sound Blaster, Sound Blaster Pro, and Adlib compatible), and his would show up as "Sound Master." Now, it's my guess that Sound Master was a "clone" of Sound Blaster, but early versions must have added more features. Also, it wasn't "Sound Blaster Compatible" enough so that it used SB drivers. Sorry for the sketchy information, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Cord Coslor <archive(a)navix.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 2:54 AM Subject: Sound Master PC card, etc. >1) Here's an item that I am curious to learn about. I will transpose a written >description of this item... I hope it actually falls into the classic computing >category. Anyway, it is called the Sound Master PC and it says it is "a total >music and sound card.... sound and speech run through a direct memory access >(DMA) driven 8-bit digitizer. Sound Master PC incorporates an extra microchip >witha three-voice capability, the latestd esign for multi-part music and >special effects. Combined sounds go to the built-in stereo amplifier...." > Here's what I'm really interested in... "Sound Master PC also has digital >joystick ports which accept the 'fun' types of Atari, Commodore, or other >game-machine joysticks. ...." > "The board fits into any available slot on your PC. Mini stereo-speaker jack >and dual joystick ports are accessibe through the rear mounting bracket. The >package includes external speakers, plug-in board, instructioons, and a one-year >warranty." > >Does anyone know who might have made this unit? What year? Are the joystick >ports really any good? I run a digital joytsick (Atari) through my Printer >port.... but this sounds completely different. > >Feel free to add some input. Oh, how much would 'you' pay for something like >this. I have the opportunity to get up to ten of these things and am curious >what they're worth. ANyone else want to get in on the deal with me? > >I also have access to these: > >2) Voice Master Digitizer for the IBM, Apple, and Commodore Computers. >3) The Speech Thing-- allows recording sounds through the printer port. >4) C-20 cassettes (10 minutes per side) -- 20 for $6.60. Unused cassettes in >unused plastic case-NEW! >5) 1000 tractor-feed mailing labels for $3.95. >6) New 5 1/4" disks 100 for $5.40 (Single-sided, single or double density) >7) 100 Double Sided, Double Density 5.25" for $5.50 -- >8) also new 8" disketes for $1.00 a piece! > >Let me know on some of this stuff and we can work out a deal. > >Love to get more info on it all, > >CORD > > >-- > _________________________________________ >| Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net | >| Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | >|-----------------------------------------| >| PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421-0308 | >| (402) 872- 3272 | >|_________________________________________| > >

28 years, 2 months

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Update on finds

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

It's been awhile with the snow and cold I do not get to make all the rounds. But here goes in the last few weeks I a PCjr and keyboard without cable for free; Panasonic model RL-H7000W luggable for free some damage to housing; another HP Thinkjet without power supply; Apple numeric keypad II; 3 Apple extended II keyboards for free; Mac SE/30 M5119 works great for $15; Mac Classic M0420 works great $15; VisionScan scanner model n205 no power supply for it-free; Information Storage Optical Disk drive for free; 3 IBM 3363 units for free; IBM 5144 monitor on a stand uses phono jack hookup only free; several Mac plus kb's and mice for free; Alphacom 42 thermal printer very strange plug on this unit, anyone know how you power this printer; Sun SPAREprinter model QA-6, anyone know how to do a self print test on this unit I can not find any buttons or anything; AMSTRAD 640K PC keyboard in great shape free; Apple modem A9M0300 with power supply free; Apple modem A9M0301 (2400b) missing power supply free; IBM Colorjet printer 3852 model 2 free; GTCO Corp Digi-Pad5 controller blackbox free; houston instrument pad model DT-11;Gulton Industries Recorder TR-711 TAC-59 free;2 Apple PC 5.25 drives A9M0110 can read PC 360k disk free; ColorMonitor IIe free; IBM VGA 8513001 free works great; Apple Imagewriter II A9M0310 free; IBM PS/2 50 with keys not tested yet free; Control Data model 831 needs work free;Wang PC382 not tested yet $15; UNISYS Scanner flatbed $10 not tested yet;Sun kb and mouse; NEC PC-8300 free not tested yet someone built a power supply into the battery compartment; a Scanjet controller card free and not tested;Commodore executive SX-64 portable works great at Goodwill for $15;Commodore 64C in box with manuals for free; Apple IIe 80col card for free (new in bag); AE timemaster card for apple free; and a large number items not yet 10 years old but the prices were too good to pass on and this way I will the units when they are 10 years old. There are more items but I will stop for now. Keep Computing John

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Development, round II

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-29 08:44:40 EST, you write: << > I looked in my never used copy of os2 version 1.3 standard edition and found > no mention of rexx so maybe it arrived in version 2.x but i'm not opening my > shrinkwrapped version to find out! minimum requirements for 1.3 are a 286, > 2meg, and 12 meg of hdd space. : Worth a try then. But am I right in thinking that the AT doesn't : implement all the 286 modes properly? I'm sure the XT286 doesn't. >> ...an AT doesnt implement 286 models properly? i dont get it. AT=80286. now, all 286 machines had a limitation about being able to switch from protected mode to real mode and back to protected mode without major work and/or a reboot. the 386 does this all smoothly under software control. it's also my understanding the XT286 is just a regular old 5170 board in a 5160 case. david

28 years, 2 months

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IBC / ICB CPM System

by mallison＠konnections.com

I just saw an interesting system It's a white steel box, about 5 x 8 in and 12 inches deep. Top flips up. Its called an IBC or ICB, I forget, and it's a Z80 based system with a floppy and Micropolis hard drive. I also weighs about 20 pounds due mostly to its antiquated power supply. Any info? It has a CPU card and separate controller card bussed together laying stacked sideways over the drives and power suppy. All the ports (many) are hardwired out the back. I almost picked this up, and I should have. It's going for about 5 bucks. I imagine the PS is shot, I didn't have a chance to check. Is it possible to hook up a standard switching power supply (well that's probably a dumb question). Any clues, I might pick it up, if I don't go to Vegas 1st thing tommorrow.... -Mike

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is the list up?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Not even approximately quiet -- I'd estimate that traffic's been <higher than normal this last week or so, and had been wondering <where you were in the flood. Obviously missing something. <If you want, I could package you a digest or two (might be best in <digestible chunks for my ISP's sake, now that I think about it). It's not what I missed but why I wasn't seeing it. I did resub just in case. Allison

28 years, 2 months

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Corvus PC cards

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I have several old 8 bit PC cards that are marked "Corvus systems" and "PC Bus Transporter". Does anyone know what they're for? Joe

28 years, 2 months

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REXX and Amigas (AREXX)

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Zane H. Healy wrote: > > >REXX on a PC? [snip] > > The Amiga also has ARexx, not sure how long, but I've an Amiga OS 3.1 > manual on it. > AREXX was introduced as a third-party enhancement sometime during Workbench 1.3 and quickly became a popular cross application protocol. By Workbench 2.0 it was integrated into the operating system and became a standard component. Most of the apps for the Amiga now have support for AREXX control (one of the reasons it was such a dream for the video/graphics whizzes as they could have several programs automatically process images and digitized video without much effort) Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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is the list up?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

I have seen a posting from here in a while. Is it just quiet? Allison

28 years, 2 months

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

> I've got the Techrefs in front of me (PC, and PC/XT) > > The PC motherboard schematics show that all 5 expansion slots are wired > in parallel. There's nothing odd about any of them. H'm. I use third-party books. Suppose if I wrote the author they'd put out an updated edition? > > The schematics for both versions of the XT motherboard (64K-256K and <Snip> > > FWIW, I've run a variety of cards in XT slot 8 and PC slot 5 with no > > problems. > > On clones, sure. But I have a genuine IBM PC/XT on my desk and the > built-from-a-kit 8255 card wouldn't work in slot 8 without a little extra > logic (which I made from unused gates on the card). Nope. Real true-blues. Maybe it gets more tolerant with time? manney

28 years, 2 months

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Plastic yellowing

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 01:41 28/01/98 -0800, Aaron wrote: >Does anyone have a remedy for bad case yellowing? I have the suspicion >that it's a permanent chemical change, but I thought it might be worth a >shot. As I' ve previously said, I found FULCRON from AREXONS (if you can find it there) to be the best in dissolving yellowish from computer plastics (unbeatable against nicotine) All you have to take care is to spray the pure product in a uniform way (=the whole surface omogeneously) and brush it gently, alllowing the whole surface to be in contact with the product.Then rinse: FANTASTIC! Careful! Avoid to spray and let drops come down + rinse without brushing!: where the product drop down, it leaves the surface CLEAN, but the rest still dirty. If you rinse and try to apply the product again (even brushing it accurately) the "clean-shadows-on dirt" will remain! Ciao ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE ? ? AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY ? ? Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL.No.* ? ? where*=asterisk key | help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html ? ? e-mail=chemif(a)mbox.queen.it ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

28 years, 2 months

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Hardware Ref Page

by mallison＠konnections.com

This looks like a good place for drive and controller info... David Given wrote: > > When dealing with old drives, I find the following site invaluable: > http://theref.c3d.rl.af.mil/ > > It has controller and drive info for just about every drive under the sun > (except the *really* wierd thing in my T3100). Very handy. > > David Given > dg(a)freeyellow.com

28 years, 2 months

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Big lot of computers for sale at SwRI

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 03:25 PM 1/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >Would that be the Southwestern Research Institute in >San Antonio, Tx? Yes. Joe > >***** haleyk(a)okstate.edu ***** ***** ***** ends. > > >

28 years, 2 months

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Apple II GS

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Two things: One, the person that said that appeared as the "from" on the e-mail. ClassicCmp appears as the "to." >"Why are manhole covers round?" So that you can put them in any direction, without worrying about turning to fit it in. Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 2 months

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Kaypro 4 help needed

by A_Finney＠wfi-inc.com

Kaypro 4 question.... I just picked up one of these bad boys from a thrift for $2.95 (my first Kaypro) but I'm not sure that it's feeling so good. I don't have a boot disk for it, and when I power it on (it does power, that's a good sign) it says ," Please place your diskette into drive A." The floppy never spins down, and putting a CP/M booter in from another machine doesn't seem to generate any kind of activity whatsoever. Is this normal behaviour, and I just need a boot disk? BTW, does anyone know where I can get a boot disk for it? Thanks, Aaron

28 years, 2 months

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RD53 problem

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I'm trying to get NetBSD ona uVAX 2000. I was using the wrong numbers in the disklabel. Now that I've figured that out, the computer has antoher trick for me - I power it on, the RD53 spins up, reaches top speed, and spins down before the CPU checkout finishes. Did I kill a timing track or soemthing? -------

28 years, 2 months

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Big lot of computers for sale at SwRI

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Hello all, Southwest Research Institute appears to be divesting itself of a large lot of computer gear by closed bid. Here is the announcement: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MBowen(a)swri.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 17:07:23 CST Reply-To: <MBowen(a)swri.edu> Subject: fwd: surplus equipment for sale Southwest Research Institute Mark Bowen Senior Buyer Phone: 210-522-5005 Fax: 210-522-3964 Internet: mbowen(a)SwRI.edu ------------- Original Text

28 years, 2 months

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Sharp MZ-700

by adam＠merlin.net.au

Hi! I just picked up an MZ-721, which is rather neat. Oddly, it loads Basic >from tape, which seems fairly unusual for a cassette-based system. Anyway, when I switched it on I got nothing but garbage on the screen, and ning I do seems to change it at all. Shoud I consider this a dead computer, take photos and treasure the manuals? Or is this the sort of think which *may* be repaired, so I shoudl track down someone who fixes these things and get them to look at it. Indeed, is it even worth the effort? I tried to find information on it, but almost everything seems to be in Japanese. :) Thanks heaps, Adam.

28 years, 2 months

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NEC Powermate SX/20

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I need the CMOS setup program for the Powermate SX/20; does anyone have it? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

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Z280 systems

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

Have you tried Herb Johnson (Dr. S-100) ? He hangs out at comp.os.cpm , but you can reach him via email at hjohnson(a)pluto.njcc.com If he can't help you, I don't know anyone who can. Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 11:06 PM Subject: Z280 systems >Some of you may remember one of the last issues of SuperMicro magazine >had a Z280 S-100 boards on the cover and a nice article about the board >and a system using the board, as I recall. > >Does anyone have an idea where I could find or look for a Z280 based >system, either ZCPM, or???. And either single or multiple processors. > >My goal would be to have a fairly complete system, however I think that >would be possible from most any S-100 components, if one had the CPU. > >Does anyone still manufature S-100 stuff or its replacement Bus, which I >don't recall??? > >Or Z280 Z380 VME systems. > >I guess I better stop there or I'll leave the realm of "classics" > >thans, > >Mike >

28 years, 2 months

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x286emu

by mallison＠konnections.com

What is "x286emu" on Linux? I've seen it in directories, but I'll be damned if it does anything yet. No references I've seen and no hits on Web search engines. Does it exist by itself, or is it part of a library for another program?? Or...???? Thanks, -Mike Allison

28 years, 2 months

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Development, round II

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> ;-) Clearing the snow from my glasses, I saw Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk > typed: > > [nip about REXX] > > >REXX is/was > >quite a nice language to use, but some features rendered it unsuitable > >for serious programming - numbers, for example, are stored as strings of > >digits in the character code of the machine you are using... > > Uh, Sir Philip? > > Maybe there are other reasons that your statement of unsuitability stands, > but I can think of one programming language that's very handy (& powerful & > serious) which stores it's digits as charcter codes: Perl. From experience > I can tell you that one heckuva lot more stuff gets done with Perl on the > WWW than Java -- and it's a lot easier to pgm. in. Sorry, Roger, I didn't mean to start a language war. I've never used Perl, but I'm told it's good. REXX, like (I think) Perl, is a macro language. It is designed for doing little tasks that don't need lots of computing power. I like REXX - I really enjoyed using it at IBM. But it is an interpreted language - if I was writing a major application I'd use a compiler - and numbers stored as strings are fundamentally slow - I'd use one which stored numbers in a way that is fast to use. But I was being careless. I was actually thinking "number crunching" when I said "serious programming". (NB I _have_ done number crunching in REXX - the potentially infinite precision is very useful!) Philip. PS *** OFF TOPIC - Sam Ismail need read no further :-) *** Manhole covers (and the apertures at the entrances of manholes :-) ) are indeed round because they then won't fall down the hole if you drop them. But other shapes share this property - triangular manholes are quite common over here. Any "Curve of constant diameter" also has this property. Examples of such curves may be found in the 7-sided coins in use in the UK for 50p and 20p P.

28 years, 2 months

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Apple II GS

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I originally said it, but your email dosnt work manny. -----Original Message----- From: PG Manney <manney(a)nwohio.nwohio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Apple II GS > >> I'll take it! > >Who said dat? > >manney(a)nwohio.com >"Why are manhole covers round?" >

28 years, 2 months

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Development, round II

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I don't even know what Turbo Prolog is. Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Mike Allison <mallison(a)konnections.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 11:11 AM Subject: Re: Development, round II >Gee, I was hoping for a Turbo Prolog trade.....Whatcha got??? > >.,. > v > >-Mike > > > >Hotze wrote: > >> BTW, if no one else wants it, can I have the OS/2 2.1? >> Thanks, >> >> Tim D. Hotze

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Development, round II

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>OS/2 Warp was 386, as I recall. 2.1, I can't remember, 1.2 was 286. >You might need a 386 for the Program Manager, But I don't recall. I >still have copies of 2.1 and 1.2, if you need to know.... Well, the phrase is OS/2 Warp IS, they're still selling it, *and* making a new version, hopefully this one will be MS compatible, which gave IBM the advantage over Windows 3.1 OS/2 Warp is a strange 32-bit OS, it RECOMMENDS a 386 or better, but doesn't REQUIRE a 386 or better. BTW, if no one else wants it, can I have the OS/2 2.1? Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 2 months

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Development, round II

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I looked in my never used copy of os2 version 1.3 standard edition and found no mention of rexx so maybe it arrived in version 2.x but i'm not opening my shrinkwrapped version to find out! minimum requirements for 1.3 are a 286, 2meg, and 12 meg of hdd space. david In a message dated 98-01-28 23:22:35 EST, you write: << OS/2 Warp was 386, as I recall. 2.1, I can't remember, 1.2 was 286. You might need a 386 for the Program Manager, But I don't recall. I still have copies of 2.1 and 1.2, if you need to know.... -Mike Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: > > > >REXX on a PC? >>

28 years, 2 months

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New Zealander needs ASR-33 info

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

I got an E-mail from a fellow in New Zealand (don(a)daedalus.co.nz) who needs info on the 20ma current loop hookup used in the old ASR-33 Teletype machines. If anyone on here can help, please respond to him directly. Thanks! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 2 months

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Apple II GS

by A_Finney＠wfi-inc.com

At 05:15 AM 1/29/98 +0300, you wrote: >Two things: One, the person that said that appeared as the "from" on the >e-mail. ClassicCmp appears as the "to." >>"Why are manhole covers round?" >So that you can put them in any direction, without worrying about turning to >fit it in. > Tim D. Hotze > > Actually, it's the only shape that won't let them fall through the hole, no matter which way you turn it....

28 years, 2 months

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Corvus PC cards

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > I've heard of those drives but I don't think this is for a drive. The > only connector on it is a three pin plug that is accessable through a hole > in the metal bracket. There is one 20 pin DIP socket that might be used > for a connector but it looks like it's for an IC. This is an Omninet interface. 1Mbit/s RS-422 twisted-pair bus networking. The interfaces for the Apple ][ (a card) and Corvus Concept (built-in) have 6801s to actually do the work of moving packets between the computer and the Omninet. I'm not sure if that's what is missing from your 20 pin DIP socket or if it was intended to hold a BIOS extension ROM to let the PC boot over Omninet. -Frank McConnell

28 years, 2 months

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GRiD Server

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 10:40 PM 1/28/98 EST, you wrote: >I've got an 1129, but im keeping it. anyone know of a way of clearing the >passwoid? when i choose various apps from the menus, it prompts for one and >after i key in the wrong one, it brings me back tothe initial menu. i cannot >get into anything. Aw, c'mon! Wouldn't you rather have a password free GRiDCase 3? :) I'd say disconnect the CMOS battery, but I don't think they have a CMOS setup. :) The 1100 I had was running Dos 2.11, but the GRiDCASE 3 runs GRiD-OS or MS-DOS 2.11, and no passwords on the GRiD-OS apps. This is one problem that I see all the time, either passwords set on the GRiD-OS apps, password set on setup, or just a password on startup. (You can tell these were gov't contract machines.) -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Computone Port Card

by mallison＠konnections.com

I have a Computone 4(?) port card. long 16 bit ISA bus with 4 RJ11 ports and 2 RJ45 ports. its a 1989 Computone with some proms marked "AT6S" Looks like it was manu'd in 7/92 Anyone have any ideas or specs? THeres 2 Z0853006PSCs and an AM8530H, and a NEC D70216L-8 V50 Need info on real purpose and uses, jumpers and switches, thanks Mike

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Unsubscribing from this listserver...

by edhaack＠ionet.net

I understand that these messages are a major bother, but I have a problem. What is the address to send the "unsubscribe" email to? I tried using one of the search engines, and came up with this URL: http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp/join.html However, this link appears to not be working... and for some time (I would not have simply gone to this site for one or two days, and reported it down... but it's been two weeks.) Can anyone help me? You're direct email response is VERY welcome... and appreciated. - Ed (edhaack(a)ionet.net)

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Development, round II

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> >REXX on a PC? I think I have heard (very dimly) of this (there was > >something called REXX-88 or some such name when I was at IBM) but I > >haven't used REXX for years! What does it run on? Will it run on a > >Compaq 386? An IBM AT? > You can probably find REXX in a lot of places... There's even a shareware > version on Macintosh. And if there's an old IBM programming language on a > Mac, it's almost definitley on a lot of other platforms. Did REXX start on > the IBM mini/mainframes or is it from somewhere else? Has anyone seen a > copy of Cobol for Mac? MicroFocus used to make it, but it seems the Cobol > crowd has abondoned Macintosh... Thanks everyone for their help. I shall sometime consider PC-DOS with REXX as an environment for my AT or possibly one of my Compaqs... Am I right in thinking that OS/2 _won't_ run on an AT? ORIGINS OF REXX I met REXX in what I believe to be its native habitat - as the macro language for VM/CMS running on an IBM 370 descendant mainframe. It replaced a language called EXEC2, whose main distinguishing feature was % signs everywhere (although I can't remember what they meant). This in turn replaced a language called (you guessed it) EXEC. REXX is/was quite a nice language to use, but some features rendered it unsuitable for serious programming - numbers, for example, are stored as strings of digits in the character code of the machine you are using... Philip.

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GRiD Server

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I've got an 1129, but im keeping it. anyone know of a way of clearing the passwoid? when i choose various apps from the menus, it prompts for one and after i key in the wrong one, it brings me back tothe initial menu. i cannot get into anything. david In a message dated 98-01-28 22:16:08 EST, you write: << Anyone ever hear of a GRiD Server? Want info/specs/etc. Also, if anyone out there has a GRiD Compass 11xx, I will trade a GRiDCASE 3 for it. Oh, either that, or will trade for an external floppy for the GRiD 1535exp. >>

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Apple II GS

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

I'll take it too -----Original Message----- From: PG Manney <manney(a)nwohio.nwohio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Apple II GS > >> I'll take it! > >Who said dat? > >manney(a)nwohio.com >"Why are manhole covers round?" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Francois Auradon. Visit the SANCTUARY at http://home.att.net/~francois.auradon

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Collectors of Mainframes.

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

Who among you collects mainframes? I couldn't resist asking in light of the "what's the heaviest portable" thread, because the CPU of IBM System/3 Model 15 I have weighs 1800 lbs. This list community has already dealt with the question of why collect mainframes, so let's try to avoid a repeat performance and stick to answering the lead question. Many mainframe collectors aren't on the Internet (and frankly, they tell me, they don't miss it). These people are retired and grew up with big iron so its natural for them to be drawn to mainframes. I have the Sys/3 and an IBM 360/22 (complete systems including keypunches and boxes of unused 80-column cards). Yours in good faith Kevin

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GRiD Server

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Anyone ever hear of a GRiD Server? Want info/specs/etc. Also, if anyone out there has a GRiD Compass 11xx, I will trade a GRiDCASE 3 for it. Oh, either that, or will trade for an external floppy for the GRiD 1535exp. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Development, round II

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Peter Prymmer wrote: > bloatware - but some of that is quite fun. e.g. PC-DOS can be optionally > installed with Rexx and I chose that option. I also have a couple of > different DPMI's available including the one for DJGPP. REXX on a PC? I think I have heard (very dimly) of this (there was something called REXX-88 or some such name when I was at IBM) but I haven't used REXX for years! What does it run on? Will it run on a Compaq 386? An IBM AT? Philip.

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CLASSICCMP digest 308

by prp＠hf.intel.com

> Who among you collects mainframes? I couldn't resist asking in light of the > "what's the heaviest portable" thread, because the CPU of IBM System/3 Model > 15 I have weighs 1800 lbs. I expect the heaviest unit I have on wheels is the IBM 709 CPU, in addition to its size and steel frame the whole back end is covered with filament transformers to light the tubes. I can roll it around on a level concrete floor OK, but its a good idea to avoid the cracks or at least roll it crooked (so only one wheel sees a crack at a time, and not straight on) and keep the speed up. But there are other contenders - the 709 power supply units, the motor-generator set for the 7094, the 407 accounting machine, etc. I don't know what any of these weigh off hand and don't have the installation manuals handy. There exist larger units (e.g. old CDC mainframes even apart are in large, very tall pieces; the assembled 709 memory is a T about 4 times the floor space of the CPU) but they tend not to have casters. I wonder what a more recent water-cooled machine (e.g. 3090) weighs, the TCU's (thermal conduction units) can't be very light. On other subjects - a common source of serious mildew smell is the absolute filter in a disk drive. I would check that first. - I'm reasonably certain you can still get blank punch cards. The last bunch I bought maybe 10 years ago cost $75 for 10,000. I've been meaning to get some more now that the collection has a dry home and will try to remember to post info. Paul http://www.teleport.com/~prp/collect/

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Shareware Frogger Available

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

We were discussing Frogger a month or so ago. I've found a shareware (DOS) version available. If anyone misses it as much as I, it's at http://users.deltanet.com/users/phixus/kgames/rof.html along with other classic arcade games. Registration is $10 manney(a)nwohio.com

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Monitor woes

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

>My understading is that this machine needs no reference disks, but > >can I use a hard drive > 20MB? It never mentions it on IBM's site. I successfully installed a 3 1/2" ST-506/412 drive (a Seagate, IIRC), which worked OK. Has to be 3 1/2" because it fits in the floppy bay. You have to find a controller card which has the power output because the floppies take power off the drive cable. I think you could bodge it to take a hardcard in one of the expansion slots. manney The Model 25 takes the cake for the world's most stupidly designed PC -- and the hardest to work on.

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Apple II GS

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

> I'll take it! Who said dat? manney(a)nwohio.com "Why are manhole covers round?"

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Development, round II

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

> well, you could get your 5150 in several different flavours: one, two or no > floppy drives. You could actually get four, supported by the motherboard switches. ($529 each, IIRC) There was some sort of expansion box, or you could get external drives. I presume that's what the connector on the back of the FDD controller was for. manney

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back ontopic: mac 400k drive.

by agammuto＠konics.com

There's a lever/spring mechanism that shoves the floppy out when the disk "carriage" is up and aligned with the slot in the case. When you put in a disk, it extends the spring, the lever latches, and a microswitch activates the motor that draws the carriage down. I expect that either the spring is broke or the lever connected to it is bent. The previous owner probably shoved in a floppy upside down or backwards and had to wrench it out using brute force. Dont laugh. I know someone who repairs machines for a living with GE (they do repair for Circuit City and others), and he once found a slice of american cheese in a floppy drive (guess it was a 5-1/4 inch unit). Coins inside the drives and case are also common sources of PC/Mac repairs. Kids- you gotta love 'em. Anyway- the mechanism would go back down after failing to eject. The switch contacts are still closed, and that's what it's designed to do - keep running the motor. You might be able to fix it with a pair of small needlenose pliers if the spring is not broke. You will have to remove the drive to do this. Be careful with that paper clip! You could hose up the head, or send a minute electrical charge through your body that could affect your ability to reproduce in the future. Unless you are really good with working on tiny mechanical parts, save yourself the headache and replace the drive. -----Original Message----- From: SUPRDAVE <SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 11:16 PM Subject: back ontopic: mac 400k drive. >part of my new additions last week was a bunch of old mac stuff. i finally got >one of the 400k drives, but its having eject problems. the mechanism was stuck >so now im able to get a disk in, but when i call it to eject, the motor turns, >the disk lifts up to the slot, but wont pop out, then the mechanism goes back >down in position to read the disk. it does the same thing when i use a paper >clip; it will go up, the disk will stay in, then it goes back down into read >position. amazingly, the drive works fine otherwise. i dont quite understand >the mechanicals of it, anyone have ideas? > >david >

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Pile of computers in Australia

by adam＠merlin.net.au

Hi! Recently I tried advertising for obsolete computers in a national computer trading magazine, and it has paid off well. But I just got a phone call today regarding an old Smelter near Mt Gambier in South Australia. Apparantly they had a huge pile of old computer equipment, and they went through and sold off the relativly new stuff. What they have left is a whole lot of old stuff (around 15 years+) includig a huge number of PCs and XTs, XT laptops, terminals, a mainframe, "a hard-drive as big as a computer", terminals, and, presumably, a volume of non-dos stuff. The guy I talked to has no idea what it all is, just that they want to get rid of it really cheap. It's too much for me to handle on my own, and it certainly is nowhere near where I live - would anyone else be at all interested too? Adam

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Development, round II

by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subj: Re: Re[3]: Development, round II Roger Merchberger wrote: !>REXX is/was !>quite a nice language to use, but some features rendered it unsuitable !>for serious programming - numbers, for example, are stored as strings of !>digits in the character code of the machine you are using... ! !Uh, Sir Philip? ! !Maybe there are other reasons that your statement of unsuitability stands, !but I can think of one programming language that's very handy (& powerful & !serious) which stores it's digits as charcter codes: Perl. From experience !I can tell you that one heckuva lot more stuff gets done with Perl on the !WWW than Java -- and it's a lot easier to pgm. in. ! !Guess what! This is still ontopic for this list... there's a version of !Java for almost every 16-bit or higher machine available -- including a !native version that runs on an Atari ST... (version 4.035 and I think you !need a meg to run it -- I've done it!) But Perl is 10 years old and Java is not. It is still quite easy to distinguish a perl scalar that contains a numeric value from one that does not. From the old FAQ you add 0 to see if the thing remains unchanged: $ perl -e '$s = "a"; if ($s + 0 eq $s) {print "num"} else {print "string"}' string $ perl -e '$s = "1"; if ($s + 0 eq $s) {print "num"} else {print "string"}' num See also "perlfaq4: Data:Misc: How do I determine whether a scalar is a number/whole/integer/float?" at http://www.perl.com/CPAN-local/doc/FAQs/FAQ/PerlFAQ.html for a whole slew of regular expressions for numbers. BTW Tcl runs on a bunch of platforms and treats many things like strings as well (hence it requires the expr() call for numeric evaluation and has trouble with data containing embedded nulls (whereas perl does not)). Apologies to folks (such as myself :) who tire of language wars though. If the original poster wanted to run Rexx I say let them. Peter Prymmer (Someone who just spent a great deal of time porting perl to MVS recently)

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External Floppy Question

by higginbo＠netpath.net

On average, were most external floppies that used a db25 connector, pretty much standard, as in interchangable? I'm basically talking along the lines of mid-80's laptops. I've got a GRiD 1535exp that has a db25 connector on the back for an external floppy, the left bottom most pin on the connector is plugged up. Any ideas? Anyone? -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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PDP-8/Es available

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

If you ask me, drugs are a BAD idea. I mean, if it's not you, then it's not you. I would rather be ME and be sitting in a basement, rather than some powder, effectively turning my body into a slave. Also, drugs are getting to be the past. Ask a group of junior-high schoolers about drugs. 9 out of 10 will say that they're a mistake. As for tobacco and alcohol, that's border-lined, but many are anti-tobacco, but alcohol.... that's kind of next-generation. We're getting there. Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 7:49 PM Subject: Re: PDP-8/Es available >>From classiccmp-owner(a)u.washington.edu Sat Jan 24 00:03:17 1998 >>Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) >> by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with >SMTP >> id XAA16594; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:48:10 -0800 >>Received: from mx4.u.washington.edu (mx4.u.washington.edu >[140.142.33.5]) >> by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with >ESMTP >> id XAA20360 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Fri, 23 Jan >1998 23:48:04 -0800 >>Received: from news2.cnct.com (root(a)news2.cnct.com [165.254.118.91]) >> by mx4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with >ESMTP >> id XAA21553 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 >23:48:02 -0800 >>Received: from cnct.com (gram(a)terra.cnct.com [165.254.118.73]) >> by news2.cnct.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA02059 >> for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:50:28 -0500 >>Message-Id: <34C99D0D.E0B76342(a)cnct.com> >>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:49:33 -0500 >>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >>Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu >>Precedence: bulk >>From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> >>To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >>Subject: Re: PDP-8/Es available >>References: <3.0.16.19980123181422.37e71016(a)ricochet.net> >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Sender: ward(a)news2.cnct.com >>X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> >>Uncle Roger wrote: >>> >>> At 11:07 PM 1/21/98 -0800, you wrote: >>> >>I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 >now >>> >>but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to >get me >>> >>> >Well, I AM 17, and I'm up to 30 computers or so... Let me see if I >can >>> >remember them all, my web site is a partial listing. >>> >>> One other item that was pointed out to me in the collectibles forum >of >>> Compuserve -- teenagers who collect things rarely get into trouble. >You >>> don't see them spending money on drugs or liquor or whathaveyou, and >they >>> don't often end up in jail. (Yes, I'm an exception, but I wasn't >actively >>> collecting anything in high school.) >> >>What exception? In high school I actively collected science fiction >>books since computers weren't affordable yet to a high school kid -- I >>wore a slide rule on my belt because (1) I used it (2) that honestly >was >>the easiest way to carry a Pickett and (3) the HP-35 came out in my >>junior year of high school priced about $395.00 more than I had on >hand. >> >(SNIP) >If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs (though >I am firmly against drugs, tobacco, alcohol, and firearms) than not >do drugs and sit for years in the basement without seeing the light >of day. It seems to me that since we all die anyway, might as well >enjoy. I am not brave enough to take that approach, so I sit at my >computer all day (when I am not at school-I am in 9th grade). > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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CoCo 2 & 3 max speed

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Anyone know right off hand what the highest supported baud rate is for the RS-232 on a CoCo 2 or CoCo 3? Asking for a friend who thinks she can use a 9600 baud external modem on it. (!) -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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99cent store find/missed finds...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> Subject: Re: 99 cent store find... > Every once in a while you actually find something cool at those places. > There is a 99 cent clearance store (same chain as the one you went to > Larry) near me where I found a bunch of mid 80s computer programming books > (all in a series). The titles were like '6502 Assembly Language > Programming' and 'Z-80 Assembly Language Programming', 'FORTH', some > others. Were those those thinnish hardback editions... I have come across PILOT, FORTH, and TRS-80 Graphics... No 6502 Assembly though, better check there again... A couple years back I bought a couple 64 games books from another discount store, I could easily tell why they were so cheap, some had doubled or missing pages, or pages upside-down... oops. > I bought all of them at $.99 each (about 35 in all) kept a set > for myself and sold the rest on Usenet. I still have a few copies left if > anyone's interested. There are some things where you can never have too many. I find Commodore datasette drives at a real low price is my particular weakness... 00101001111010100001010111010100001101101110100100010000101101001001000111 I just got some e-mail from a user who was thanking me for the PET FAQ and directed me to a page where some Commodore stuff is (was) being sold, of course he snagged the 8010 (PET) modem before he e-mailed but I may had added a few precious books to me library. You may want to check out the site at: http://www.puppetgallery.com/compucat/sale/c64.html Besides some nice pics of what he offered for sale (I think the drives, cables, and 64 software are still available), the main page has an interesting history of the couple's computer experiences over the years (from buying one of the first PETs to having Lenoard Nimoy call his BBS...) Larry Anderson P.S. the user who e-mailed me also has a notable page, especially if you have any interest at all in the history of Commodore 64/128 BBS programs... Check it out at: http://www.prismnet.com/~bo -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

> Slot 8 on an XT > is strange, and the card put in it needs to assert one of the pins (I > think it's B8) during a read cycle. Just about the only card that does > this is the IBM Async card Um. My references tell me that the PC (thus, slot 5, nearest the P/S) is peculiar, but nothing is strange with XT slot 8 -- at least, according to my references. FWIW, I've run a variety of cards in XT slot 8 and PC slot 5 with no problems. manney(a)nwohio.com "Would a skinny ballerina wear a one-one?"

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eBay and online auctions

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

Wonderful things, but.... I was looking around on eBay, and found several things that cought my eye. Hey, there's a Mac IIx 2/40 for $2! But pay another $20-50 more for shipping? I could probably find it for the same price or cheaper locally. Well, it will take some time... The most recent IIx I've seen for sale(although much more RAM/HD) is $175. But I HAVE seen them around(before I got interested in collecting computers) for anywhere from $10-500. It's a crazy world... Everyone always asks me why I don't have a C64 or TRS-80 or any of those type of computers. Well, I was offered a TRS-80 Model 4, I offered $5 for it, he responded that he didn't even sell it when he was offered $75 a few months earlier. I either run into people trashing or giving away their computers(Series/1, Apple IIe, PS/2 Model 50Z) or they want to sell them as antiques(and at prices much worse than any antique store I'VE ever seen...). Would someone hurry up and invent a time machine? Zip back about 5-10 years ago when people didn't really care either way and pick up some collectors pieces for $5 and come back to the future where people sell them for $500... <sigh> -JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/

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dBASE II manual

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Anyone have an extra dBASE II manual they'd be willing to part with? I've got dBASE II in ROM on one of my GRiDCASE 3 laptops, and would like to learn more about it. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Mines heavy er than yours

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

That's easy... the IBM 5100 is well over 50 lbs. Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: cdenham(a)tgis.co.uk [SMTP:cdenham@tgis.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 1:35 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Mines heavy er than yours > > While moving some off my old computers around I wandered which was the > heavy est luggable ever made so just for fun I got the bathroom > scales out and weighted some off them . > Commodore sx64 23 pounds > Osbourne One 28 pounds > Andromeda Zita D 44 pounds > > So lets have a fun competition , get those bathroom scales out and > find out who made the heavey est luggable . > > Happy weighing > Chris > > ps > Any body got a boot disk for the Andromeda Zita D , I think its > CPM based on a Raid its got 5 1/4 disks on it .

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Sharp MZ-700

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>No old computer is ever "dead". One shouldn't hold onto them only if they >work. The point is to keep them around so that one can at least see and >touch them, open them up and look at their circuitry. You can't do that >with a picture obviously. All computers will eventually "die", but I'm >not about to start burying them all. After all, they don't start >decomposing and smelling bad. If you don't want to keep it, e-mail me >privately and I'll pay to have it shipped to me and I'll hold onto it. Sorry. :) I don't mean to say that I would dump it - simply that as I cannot repair it myself, is it worth paying for someone to do that or would I be better off just keeping it as a record, and looking at the manuals as the main part of the deal (for now). Mostly I like to display my computers as working systems (although I ran out of floorspace months ago), and so prefer working models to broken ones. :) I figure that it is better to have a computer working than broken, so long as I can afford to get it fixed - but I refuse to trash any of my systems, no matter what the problem. And this goes triple for anything that I only have one of anyway! I got very angry at a local dealer recently, for he trashed some 30 microbees 2 weeks before I got there. I had been searching for a Microbee for about 6 months, and he was supposed to sell second-hand 8-bit systems as his business. He said he never liked Microbees anyway. :( I finally got one, but if I could have saved those others I would have been able to offer them (for shipping) to the list. Microbees, for those who haven't heard of them, are neat little cp/m systems that were designed and built in Australia - not many computers were made here, although there were a few, but the Microbee would be one of the two most significant locally made computers. Adam.

28 years, 2 months

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Plastic yellowing

by aaron＠prinsol.com

Does anyone have a remedy for bad case yellowing? I have the suspicion that it's a permanent chemical change, but I thought it might be worth a shot. For most of the systems, I don't really mind and for some, it adds to the character. The only one that's bugging me is my Atari 800xl, which was my first real "programming" computer. Thanks, Aaron

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UCSD Pascal on Europlus (was: Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!]))

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> wrote: > At 15:33 1/28/98 +1100, Huw Davies wrote: > >....I seem to remember > >that to run UCSD Pascal you needed the "Euro+" Apple II. Can anyone confirm > >this? > > Well, that's not a combo I've run, but if a Europlus will do it, any ][+ > should do it, the implication being that you need 48K RAM. (32K mainboard > and the Language Card?? Help me out here....) 48KB on the motherboard, and the Language Card or equivalent 16KB RAM card. The canonical configuration is a Language Card in slot 0 with a 16-pin DIP jumper installed between a socket on the card and a the upper-left motherboard RAM socket (the RAM chip gets relocated to the card), but of course there were many compatible memory cards. I don't recall any reason why you couldn't do this on an Apple ][, but I know I did it on a Rev 7 ][+, and a friend had done it on an earlier rev (4?) ][+ that still had the 4K/16K jumper blocks on the motherboard. Obviously they were all set for 16K (as you must have 48KB on the motherboard). -Frank McConnell

28 years, 2 months

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Monitor woes

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I just acquired a PS/2 Model 25, the one with an integrated monitor and 8086. The reason it was being thrown away was that while it starts up fine, the MCGA monitor eventually becomes tinted red and blurry. If I turn it off and let it sit for a few minutes, then turn it on, it will work fine again. What is the problem? Can I solve it without the risk of shorting capacitors and blowing myself halfway across the room? My understading is that this machine needs no reference disks, but can I use a hard drive > 20MB? It never mentions it on IBM's site. Lastly, does anyone have any of the original stuff for it, ie software, manuals, etc. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

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Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!])

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 03:33 PM 1/28/98 +1100, you wrote: >To add some "on-topic" content to this e-mail: > >One of the seminal articles I remember reading in Byte (in the good old >days :-) >was one by Carl Helmers talking about setting up an Apple II to run UCSD >Pascal. I'm slowly assembling all the necessary bits but I seem to remember >that to run UCSD Pascal you needed the "Euro+" Apple II. Can anyone confirm >this? Preferably someone running UCSD Pascal on an Apple II... > > Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au If you know which issue it was, I may be able to look it up. Joe >

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Computers & Lysol

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Don't laugh. I'm getting complaints around here about one of my computers the SMS-1000 (PDP-11/73) smelling of mold and mildew, and have been asked to either remove it, or spray it down with Lysol. How safe is it to spray a computer down with Lysol? Obviously I'd not run it for a while if I do. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

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Compaq buys DEC

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:03:21 -0600 (CST), Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> wrote: > It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. >>Can't disagree there... Well, I should clarify. I'm sure that they did see it coming. A buyout of some form was headed for DEC like a Conrail freight train traveling at 100 mph. I'm not too well-versed with DEC's current product line, but I get the impression that, while good quality and adequate performers, there is nothing very distinguishing. >Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. >>Huh? What about HP? Still going strong with the HP3000 (ca. 1972?). I probably shouldn't have said "last" either. Wasn't DEC part of the original "seven dwarfs" of early computing? I think that IBM was "Snow White" and there were seven other mini/main companies right behind it. When I said "old line," I was thinking along the lines of Sperry and Burroughs and not HP or IBM. ------------------------------------------------- Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

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DEC Sold to Compaq!

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:33 PM 1/26/98 -0500, you wrote: > It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. Can't disagree there... >Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. Huh? What about HP? Still going strong with the HP3000 (ca. 1972?). --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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UCSD Pascal on Europlus (was: Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!]))

by engine＠chac.org

At 15:33 1/28/98 +1100, Huw Davies wrote: >....I seem to remember >that to run UCSD Pascal you needed the "Euro+" Apple II. Can anyone confirm >this? Well, that's not a combo I've run, but if a Europlus will do it, any ][+ should do it, the implication being that you need 48K RAM. (32K mainboard and the Language Card?? Help me out here....) __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Apple II GS

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I'll take it! -----Original Message----- From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Apple II GS >On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, PG Manney wrote: > >> I've been offered and Apple II GS. Anyone interested? I doubt it'll ever be >> rare... > >Doesn't matter. Its a fun computer to play with and hack on. Someone >should take PG up on this. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! >

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Development, round II

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:29 PM 1/26/98 PST, you wrote: >Another thing: CP/M was run on just about everything, usually with >about 64K ram. How is it that MS-DOS blew up to about 384K? What >did they put in there? The MicroSloth License Agreement. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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MFM drives & Interlink

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 03:01 PM 1/26/98 -0600, you wrote: >FastLynx: A program from RUPP corporation, alot like LapLink, except >with a much simpler (and easier to use) user interface (IMHO). The >program died off though, as Lap Link became more popular (I still >don't understand why). If you used the serial link, it could upload >itself to the target machine. I still use it. I think it died out because of the gawdawful color of their cables. 8^) (Some horrid shade of Red, iirc?) Actually, I had both, and preferred LapLink. Haven't used FastLynx in about 10 years. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Interesting Find

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

I think I have 2 of these somewhere, but called PC7000's. One with a HDD and the other with 2 FDD's. No Docs unfortunately. I think they have some unusual distinction, the first backlit LCD screen maybe (from memory). -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Gregory <cgregory(a)lrbcg.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, 28 January 1998 10:24 Subject: Interesting Find >Found an interesting (at least to me) luggable/portable at the local thrift >the other day. It's a Sharp PC-7100. Very compact and sharp (no pun) >design. About half the size and weight of an old Compaq, with a detatchable >keyboard, tiltable LCD screen, 5.25 floppy, 20 meg hard drive. It booted >fine from the hard drive (MSDOS 3.2). > >I haven't taken the time to open it up and look inside, but I ran MSD from a >floppy, and it reported the computer to be a Sharp/ERSO, 8088 or 8086 >processor, 704k RAM. When I browsed the ROM memory, the result was: >aVADEM-SHARP Personal Computer System Firmware Version 3.0B copyright 1985 >Vadem Inc. > >I did a cursory search on the net for more information but came up empty, so >if anyone can help with more info or docs for this one, I would appreciate >it. BTW, the screen has a blue/purple sort of tint to it. Kind of >attractive in a psychodelic sort of way ( oh please, no more drug-related >threads <g>). > >Cliff Gregory >cgregory(a)lrbcg.com > > >

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: Re: Development, round II

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

Andrew Gammuto said: >I never saw anybody use the cassette port for practical purposes. In fact, I >never saw a cassette drive from IBM. Good trivia question. Has anybody >ever >seen one? I do remember reading something years ago about hobbyists >using >the cassette port for plugging in wierd hardware hacks. I don't think IBM would have made cassette recorders. IBM made a cassette adapter cable for the IBMPCjr, but I don't think one was ever made for the PC. Pero, Jason D. said: >The orignals were lower density like 320k each at first but quickly >gone after XT came out with standard 360k drive or two, or floppy and >10mb HD. It was DOS 2.0 that increased the formatted capacity from 320K to 360K. --------------------------------------------- Fun Fact: ( system requirement chart for DOS from the IBM Personal Computer Software Library booklet,1985) DOS version Computers 1.00 PC 1.10 PC 2.00 PC, XT 2.10 PC, XT, PCjr, Portable PC 3.00 PC, XT, PCjr, Portable PC, AT 3.10 PC, XT, PCjr, Portable PC, AT Notes: DOS 3.00 does not support the 30MB IBM Personal Computer AT. DOS 2.00 or higher is required for fixed disk storage. DOS 3.10 or higher is required for operation on the IBM PC Network. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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back ontopic: mac 400k drive.

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-28 00:28:34 EST, you write: << And, this is NOT only compaq, IBM is bit guilty on few of their late PS/1 486 with (soft power switch). Discovered Win95 would wedge in strange manner unless we got the proper cd from IBM for specific machines. Those machines were intended for LOW END users so they're usually bit oddball. >> later model ps1 machines had rapid resume, which was basically a suspended animation function essentially which i think bill gates wants to include in some PC9x specification to known as instant on or something like that. win95 should still be able to to work with that function. I know the ibm machine i'm using has the soft power switch and apm, and windont95 works fine with it. david

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Apple II GS

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I've been offered and Apple II GS. Anyone interested? I doubt it'll ever be rare... manney(a)nwohio.com

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Computers & Lysol

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

Why not put in baking soda, as with a refrigerator? Just don't spill it... > > Don't laugh. I'm getting complaints around here about one of my computers > > the SMS-1000 (PDP-11/73) smelling of mold and mildew,

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Interesting Find

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

Found an interesting (at least to me) luggable/portable at the local thrift the other day. It's a Sharp PC-7100. Very compact and sharp (no pun) design. About half the size and weight of an old Compaq, with a detatchable keyboard, tiltable LCD screen, 5.25 floppy, 20 meg hard drive. It booted fine from the hard drive (MSDOS 3.2). I haven't taken the time to open it up and look inside, but I ran MSD from a floppy, and it reported the computer to be a Sharp/ERSO, 8088 or 8086 processor, 704k RAM. When I browsed the ROM memory, the result was: aVADEM-SHARP Personal Computer System Firmware Version 3.0B copyright 1985 Vadem Inc. I did a cursory search on the net for more information but came up empty, so if anyone can help with more info or docs for this one, I would appreciate it. BTW, the screen has a blue/purple sort of tint to it. Kind of attractive in a psychodelic sort of way ( oh please, no more drug-related threads <g>). Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com

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Mines heavy er than yours

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I 've got a mint one. Reply privately. manney(a)nwohio.com > Does anyone have a luggable Commodore SX-64 for sale by chance? I am _really_ > looking for one.

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Development, round II

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

Yes. I have a 64-256K motherboard with cassette port, too. manney > Not quite. Only the 5-slot motherboards have the cassette connector. My > IBM PC Technical reference gives a schematic for a 64K-256K system board > with a cassette interface.

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Humor, partly offtopic

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

Check out http://www.elsop.com/wrc/humor/toasters.htm If xxx company made toasters...mostly computer humor. (and, of course, apologies to anyone not interested.) manney

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Development, round II

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

> BTW has anyone ever seen someone use the cassette port? I supported > several hundred early PC user's and never even heard of anyone using the > cassette port. Nope. Except, of course, to plug in the keyboard by mistake. A while ago, someone pointed out that IBM didn't even sell a cassette player. You were supposed to go out to your local Radio Schlock...

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Computers & Lysol

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 05:26 PM 1/27/98 -0800, you wrote: >Don't laugh. I'm getting complaints around here about one of my computers >the SMS-1000 (PDP-11/73) smelling of mold and mildew, and have been asked >to either remove it, or spray it down with Lysol. How safe is it to spray >a computer down with Lysol? Obviously I'd not run it for a while if I do. Well, I know it kills germs and bacteria, but I'm not sure about computer virii. (<RIMSHOT> Thank you! Ya'll have been a wonderful crowd! G'night everybody!) Seriously, I don't see a problem, just try to keep it away from the boards, let it dry thoroughly if you get alot of buildup, and you should be good to go. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Development, round II

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I just picked up a book on Macintosh Think C (MS Press, 50c, I didn't bother getting Macsbug and others, also 50c each). For one thing, does anyone have an extra/unvalued license copy of THINK C, version 2.1-5.0? Also, what was the first programming language (I mean not binary or assembly)? Another thing: CP/M was run on just about everything, usually with about 64K ram. How is it that MS-DOS blew up to about 384K? What did they put in there? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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(fwd) FS: Kaypro computers, books, software (fwd)

by danjo＠xnet.com

Ok Kaypro freaks Look what I found! Please (as mentioned) email Eric direct 8-) BC -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: epement(a)ripco.com (Eric Pement) Newsgroups: chi.forsale Subject: FS: Kaypro computers, books, software Date: 27 Jan 1998 22:10:51 GMT Massive sale of CP/M, Kaypro, and ZCPR books and software: Kaypro computers: ------------------------------ About 12-16 Kaypro computers: Kaypro 1, II, 2, 2x, 4, and 10s in varying stages of repair. A few are missing FDDs, a few are missing power supplies, a few are missing power cords, a few have video trouble. Probably 4-5 of them work as is, and the others can be used for spare parts. 2 have Advent TurboROMs included. Original master disks included. External CP/M or ZCPR software, with disks and manuals: ------------------------------ NZ-COM v1.0 (replacement for the CP/M command processor) ZSDOS v1.0 (replacement for BDOS, Plu*Perfect Systems) MULTICOPY, DOSDISK (foreign disk formats, Plu*Perfect Systems) HYPERTYPER (typing tutor, Summit Software) KAMAS v1.2 (outline editor, Kamasoft, Inc.) DOCU-POWER v1.1 (document outliner, Computing!) POWER! (front-end shell for CP/M, Computing!) SCS DRAW (Kaypro drawing program, Second City Software) SMARTKEY II, SMARTPRINT (keyboard redefinition, Heritage Software) FREE FILER v5.0 (freeform database, Telion Software) PUNCTUATION + STYLE v1.21 (2 copies, Oasis Software) CATALOG (disk catalog system, SRX Systems) FOOTNOTE, PAIR (supports footnotes in WordStar, Pro/Tem Software) NOTEBOOK v1.3 (text-oriented database system, Pro/Tem Software) Books: ------------------------------ CHILTON'S GUIDE TO KAYPRO REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, Gene Williams (Chilton, 1985) CP/M AND THE PERSONAL COMPUTER, Thos. Dwyer & Margot Critchfield (Addison-Wesley, 1983) CP/M REVEALED, Jack Dennon (Hayden Book Co., 1982) MASTERING CP/M, Alan Miller (Sybex, 1983) SOUL OF CP/M, Mitchell Waite & Robert Lafore (Howard W. Sams, 1983) THE PROGRAMMER'S CP/M HANDBOOK, Andy Johnson-Laird (Osborne/McGraw-Hill, 1983) A PROGRAMMER'S NOTEBOOK: UTILITIES FOR CP/M-80, David Cortesi (Reston, 1983) DIGITAL RESEARCH CP/M VERSION 1.4 & 2.0 DOCUMENTATION, Digital Research, Inc. (Digital Research, 1978) HOW TO PROGRAM THE Z80, 3d ed., Rodnay Zaks (Sybex, 1980) Z80 USERS MANUAL, Joseph Carr (Reston, 1980) Z80 ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE PROGRAMMING, Lance Leventhal (Osborne/McGraw-Hill, 1979) Z80 ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE PROGRAMMING MANUAL, Rel. 2.1 (Zilog, 1978) Z80-CPU, Z80A-CPU TECHNICAL MANUAL (Zilog, 1977) Z80-CTC, Z80A-CTC TECHNICAL MANUAL (Zilog, 1977) Z80-PI0, Z80A-PIO TECHNICAL MANUAL (Zilog, 1977) Z80-MCB HARDWARE USER'S MANUAL (Zilog, 1977) Z80-AIO/AIB HARDWARE USER'S MANUAL (Zilog, 1977) Z80-PPB HARDWARE USER'S MANUAL (Zilog, 1977) RMB (RMB/E) HARDWARE USER'S MANUAL (Zilog, 1977) MCZ-1/20,25 HARDWARE USER'S MANUAL (Zilog, 1977) TURBOROM USER'S MANUAL, 0816D1 Rev.B (Advent Products, Inc., 1986) CROMEMCO Z80 MACRO ASSEMBLER (looseleaf notebook). Contains "Cromemco Macro Assembler Instruction Manual," plus addendum (1980), "Cromemco Text Editor Instruction Manual" (1978), and "Cromemco Screen Editor Instruction Manual" (1979). AN INTRODUCTION TO MICROCOMPUTERS: VOLUME 0, THE BEGINNER'S BOOK, 2d ed., Adam Osborne (Osborne & Associates, 1979) AN INTRODUCTION TO MICROCOMPUTERS: VOLUME 1, BASIC CONCEPTS, 2d ed., Adam Osborne (Osborne/McGraw-Hill, 1980) WORDSTAR AND FRIENDS FOR THE KAYPRO II & 4, T. Gregory Platt and Roz Van Meter (PeopleTalk Associates, 1983) THE COMPLETE HANDBOOK OF PERSONAL COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS, Alfred Glossbrenner (St. Martin's Press, 1983) THE COMPLETE HANDBOOK OF PERSONAL COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS, rev. ed., Alfred Glossbrenner (St. Martin's Press, 1985) HOW TO GET FREE SOFTWARE, Alfred Glossbrenner (St. Martin's Press, 1984) HOW TO TELECOMMUNICATE, Corey Sandler (Henry Holt, 1986) PERFSTAR: MAKING PERFECT WRITER ACT LIKE WORDSTAR, Jon Trott (self-published, 1986) GREY KAYPRO MANUALS (for CP/M; standard size, 7"x9"): ------------------------------ CALCSTAR USER'S MANUAL - 4 copies CBASIC - 2 copies CP/M MANUAL - 5 copies DATASTAR REFERENCE MANUAL - 2 copies DATASTAR TRAINING GUIDE - 3 copies dBASE II - 1 copy INTRODUCTION TO SOFTWARE - 4 copies KAYPRO 1 USER'S GUIDE AND PERFECT WRITER - 3 copies KAYPRO II USER'S GUIDE - 2 copies KAYPRO USER'S GUIDE - 1 copy MAILMERGE REFERENCE MANUAL - 3 copies MICROPLAN - 2 copies MICROSOFT BASIC - 7 copies MICROSOFT BASIC QUICK REFERENCE GUIDE - 5 copies PERFECT CALC - 4 copies PERFECT FILER - 3 copies PROFITPLAN - 2 copies REPORTSTAR GENERAL INFORMATION MANUAL - 2 copies REPORTSTAR TRAINING GUIDE - 3 copies REPORTSTAR USER REFERENCE MANUAL - 4 copies S-BASIC - 2 copies SUPERSORT - 1 copy SUPRTERM - 1 copy THE WORD PLUS - 5 copies USER'S GUIDE FOR WORDSTAR/MAILMERGE - 1 copy GREY KAYPRO MANUALS (for CP/M; large size, 8 1/4"x10 3/4"): ------------------------------ CP/M: AN INTRODUCTION TO CP/M FEATURES AND FACILITIES - 1 copy KAYPRO II USER'S GUIDE - 1 copy MICROSOFT BASIC - 2 copies (1 spiral-bound, 1 perfect-bound) PROFITPLAN - 2 copies S-BASIC - 3 copies WORDSTAR v3.0 - 1 copy LOOSELEAF NOTEBOOKS: ------------------------------ KAYPRO 10 USER'S GUIDE - 2 copies PERFECT WRITER - 1 copy WORDSTAR MANUAL v3.0 - 1 copy (MicroPro) WHITE QUICK-REFERENCE COMMAND CARDS: ------------------------------ WORDSTAR - 1 copy DATASTAR - 2 copies CALCSTAR - 2 copies REPORTSTAR - 1 copy PERFECT WRITER - 1 copy PERFECT CALC - 1 copy I really don't have any good idea what to ask for this stuff in terms of prices, so make me an offer. All the books are in very good to excellent condition (no damage, no highlighting or underscoring, etc.). I'll be accepting bids or offers until March 1, 1998. First, I'd prefer to sell it all together, all at once, to save myself multiple boxes for shipping. However, I'll *consider* selling sections to people who really want it. Ideally, the person who gets the Kaypro computers should also get the manuals to go with them. Second, I'd prefer to sell the set to someone who can pick them up here in Chicago, or who will pay for shipping. If you're involved with a church or nonprofit helps organization (or a bona-fide CP/M museum), leave me your phone number or e-mail address even if you can't afford to buy them. If nobody is interested, I'll contact you. Feel free to copy or repost this message in other "for-sale" areas that would be relevant to CP/M, Z80, ZCPR, or Kaypro hardware. Kind regards, Eric Pement <epement(a)jpusa.chi.il.us> senior editor, Cornerstone magazine 939 W. Wilson Ave. Chicago, IL 60640 phone: 773/561-2450, ext. 2084 fax: 773/989-2076 ----------------------------------------------------------- "Perfect Writer on the other hand, because it is written in 'C', will not become obsolete, but will easily accompany advances in computer hardware through the year 2000, at least. This means that if you upgrade your computer hardware in the coming years, you can be safely assured that: * Your text files will still be usable. * You will not need to purchase a new word processor. * You will not need to learn a new word processor." -- Perfect Writer User's Guide [for CP/M], 1982 ------------------------------------------------------------

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DEC Sold to Compaq!

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Well, you could see it coming. Poor financial performance (and hence, weak stock price) over the last few years. Weak products. Then, DEC sells-out the Crown Jewels (its Alpha procesor) to Intel. After listening to an interview with Eckhard Pfeiffer of Compaq, they paid $9.6 billion for DEC's customer list, not its products. He mentions nothing about DEC's products. It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

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Development, round II

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

That's good to know, Tony. I think I have one or two TRS-80 cables around here somewhere. It would be nice if a Tandy cassette player would also work; I think I have one of those here as well. I've put a couple of feelers out there looking for an IBM variety. Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 7:20 PM Subject: Re: Development, round II >> I've never seen an IBM cassette drive; fact is I've never seen a 5150 >> without at least one disk drive. The 5150 does boot to cassette BASIC if no >> boot disk is present. Now my curiousity is piqued. I'm going to have to >> find a cassette player and interface cable somewhere. > >AFAIK the IBM 5150 PC cassette cable is the same as the cable used to >link a cassette recorder to a TRS-80. That should make it quite easy to >find - I have a couple here (which I need to hang on to). > >It wouldn't be hard to solder one up, well, apart from soldering those >infernal DIN plugs. > >-tony > >

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Development, round II

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

I've never seen an IBM cassette drive; fact is I've never seen a 5150 without at least one disk drive. The 5150 does boot to cassette BASIC if no boot disk is present. Now my curiousity is piqued. I'm going to have to find a cassette player and interface cable somewhere. Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 1:14 AM Subject: Re: Development, round II > >I never saw anybody use the cassette port for practical purposes. In fact, I >never saw a cassette drive from IBM. Good trivia question. Has anybody ever >seen one? I do remember reading something years ago about hobbyists using >the cassette port for plugging in wierd hardware hacks. > >The original PC came with Cassette Basic. As I recall, defaulted to that if >you had no DOS boot disk. GWBasic and BasicA had to be loaded off the DOS >disk. >

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back ontopic: mac 400k drive.

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Actually, I've had lots of bad luck with Compaq. They're semi-PCs (like the Tandy 1000's) I mean, if you go to download Internet Explorer 4 from Microsoft, they have a seperate download for Compaqs. If you call tech support, they'll charge you for ANYTHING they can. Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 1:56 AM Subject: Re: back ontopic: mac 400k drive. >> >> Big CHOMP! >> >> >... You could hose up the head, or send a minute >> > electrical charge through your body that could affect your ability to >> > reproduce in the future. Unless you are really good with working on tiny >> > mechanical parts, save yourself the headache and replace the drive. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> To vent abit... >> >> This reponses is typical of tech-support droid who do not wants >> anyone to mess with internal computer parts without giving any tips > >Well said. I agree 100% >Not only do I _enjoy_ doing repairs, but I am getting fed up with the >number of times I've received replies like : >'Monochrome monitors are old-fashioned. You can buy a new SVGA colour >monitor for less than the cost of repair' > >The problem is, the monitor in question was off a Whitechapel >workstation. Not the sort of machine you can just plug a PC monitor into. > >Ditto disk drives. You can't plug just any hard disk into a PERQ or a >PDP8, or an Apple ][, or a whatever. Sometimes you have to repair the old >unit. > >That's apart from the fact that you should try to keep as many original >parts in a classic as you can. > >Without wishing to blow my own trumpet, some people on this list are >quite good at handling small parts (a lot smaller than you find in disk >drives), are quite happy to replace surface mount components at home, >will rebuild thick-film hybrids, will rewind motors, will realign disk >drives, and have an array of tools and test equipment that exceeds just >about any service centre. > >Another mini-flame for service manuals that claim that some part is 'not >field repairable'. Sorry, but _I'll_ decide what _I_ can repair. At the >moment, the only thing I can't rebuild is hard disk HDAs. But I'd much >rather have a service manual that starts 'Take the HDA into a clean room >and undo the cover screws (#1 in fig 4.2), lift off cover' etc than one >which entirely misses out the HDA. > >> or solution besides telling them off to "authorized sites". Compaq >> is pretty bad especially when I own years out of date equipment and >> needs trival info on two resistors to fix a SLT power brick, I'm > >Do you have any idea as to the circuit topology in this unit? I don't >have any Compaq stuff, but I may be able to guess what's going on if you >indicate what the main chopper control chip is, and where the resistors >are located (electrically) in relation to it. > >> Jason D. > >-tony >

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Monitor woes

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

I have the manuals somewhere, i.e., not handy. Do you need something looked up? Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 6:53 PM Subject: Monitor woes >Lastly, does anyone have any of the original stuff for it, ie software, >manuals, etc. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >

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back ontopic: mac 400k drive.

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

part of my new additions last week was a bunch of old mac stuff. i finally got one of the 400k drives, but its having eject problems. the mechanism was stuck so now im able to get a disk in, but when i call it to eject, the motor turns, the disk lifts up to the slot, but wont pop out, then the mechanism goes back down in position to read the disk. it does the same thing when i use a paper clip; it will go up, the disk will stay in, then it goes back down into read position. amazingly, the drive works fine otherwise. i dont quite understand the mechanicals of it, anyone have ideas? david

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weekend additions

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i enjoy reading what others have acquired, so i'd add what i just found. apple //e and a franklin 5.25 drive $5 ibm dictionary of computer terms on disk (never opened) for $1 also, an old IBMer at work gave me some interesting things. i got the usual 286 boards and some mfm drives and controllers. i also got some kind of interface board that prompts for a password before booting. made by sdi incorporated. i tried it in a 486 i built, but it wont accept the passwoid. also got something called a corvus systems ibm interface. it has a 34pin header in some kind of funky mounting bracket. anyone know what it is? also got something called a videotrax in its original but ragged box. its a card that lets one use a vcr for backup. i think 80 meg per tape. i wont plan to archive important data, but would be useful to image one old xt drive to another. i also got the host/client cards for the old pc expansion case. i have extras, so if anyone needs them, make a deal. i also saw a trs80 model 4? it looked like my trs80 model 3 except it had no disk drives and was white! i never saw a white trs80. i might go back and get it. also found a tandy trs80 model ? which was similar in a way to the model 4 except it had a vertical 8 inch drive, but someone had gone into it and the keyboard was missing. not bad for finishing out the week. david

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DEC Sold to Compaq!

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> Well, I found out that Atari is kicking. Has anyone heard about the game > "Primal Rage" It's copywrighted to Atari Games. Atari Games is the arcade division of Atari, which is doing just fine (though I think they're part of some MegaArcadeConglomerate these days). The home computer and console divisions of Atari are pretty much gone. -- Ben Coakley http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH Wow, this is global. -Mtn Goats

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Development, round II

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

well, you could get your 5150 in several different flavours: one, two or no floppy drives. i actually saw a pc with no floppies, just had plastic cover plates so your only choice of saving data would be like an early apple, just cassette. i never knew of anyone actually doing it though. i might ask some of the old ibmers when i go back to work. david In a message dated 98-01-27 00:05:46 EST, you write: << > BTW has anyone ever seen someone use the cassette port? I supported >several hundred early PC user's and never even heard of anyone using the >cassette port. Well, just off the top of my head, the original IBM PC came with two 5 1/4" floppy drives. That tells me you'd have to be crazy to even attempt using the cassette interface. Either that or have some special purpose application (don't even want to imagine what). >>

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Development, round II

by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subj: Re[3]: Development, round II Philip Belben wrote: >REXX on a PC? I think I have heard (very dimly) of this (there was >something called REXX-88 or some such name when I was at IBM) but I >haven't used REXX for years! What does it run on? Will it run on a >Compaq 386? An IBM AT? Yes - it is an optional part of an IBM PC-DOS 7 installation. I believe that someone mentioned that that OS will run on any Xt or better PC w/ 512k memory or higher. Of course the other PC OS with great built in support for Rexx is OS/2. I do not know about any ports to Microsoft OSes nor any of the variety of UNIXes available for Intel machines. Nor do I know what relation this (Rexx w/ PC-DOS 7) may bear to the REXX-88 product that you mention - does that run on MS DOS e.g.? Peter Prymmer

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

>512K). [Hey Roger, it's got a handle!] I was also able to find the Yep, it was (kinda) a clone of the Compaq (which was, of course, and IBM PC clone...) >QUESTION: Does anyone know how many of these were produced? According to Haddock: "Was in production by 1984, and was withdrawn on April 2, 1986. Not many of these machines were made." Also: "This portable had eight expansion slots and used an XT motherboard." --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Development, round II

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-27 11:09:28 EST, you write: << REXX on a PC? I think I have heard (very dimly) of this (there was something called REXX-88 or some such name when I was at IBM) but I haven't used REXX for years! What does it run on? Will it run on a Compaq 386? An IBM AT? >> any machine that can run pcdos can have rexx installed as part of the dos upgrade. according to my dos 7 manual, any machine xt and above with 512k or greater can accomodate it. david (pcdos7 user)

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Development, round II

by agammuto＠konics.com

I never saw anybody use the cassette port for practical purposes. In fact, I never saw a cassette drive from IBM. Good trivia question. Has anybody ever seen one? I do remember reading something years ago about hobbyists using the cassette port for plugging in wierd hardware hacks. The original PC came with Cassette Basic. As I recall, defaulted to that if you had no DOS boot disk. GWBasic and BasicA had to be loaded off the DOS disk. -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 11:45 PM Subject: Re: Development, round II >> BTW has anyone ever seen someone use the cassette port? I supported >>several hundred early PC user's and never even heard of anyone using the >>cassette port. > >Well, just off the top of my head, the original IBM PC came with two 5 1/4" >floppy drives. That tells me you'd have to be crazy to even attempt using >the cassette interface. Either that or have some special purpose >application (don't even want to imagine what). > > Zane > > >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | >| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html | > > >

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Found on Usenet...

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Another fellow with more DEC'ish stuff available. Please reply directly to the original author if interested. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Path: Supernews70!Supernews60!supernews.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!207.12.55.133.MISMATCH!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.176.80.103!news.smart.net!smarty.smart.net!not-for-mail From: yven(a)smart.net (James J. Yven) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro Subject: FS:VR201 monitor $25 Date: 27 Jan 1998 13:19:18 GMT Organization: Smartnet Internet Services, LLC of Laurel, Maryland Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6akmsm$5ch$2(a)news.smart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: smarty.smart.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960817] Xref: Supernews70 comp.sys.dec.micro:8215 DEC VR201 monitor, in great shape, $25 also various Rainbow software and hardware available. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin2 {at} wiz<ards> d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

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back ontopic: mac 400k drive.

by agammuto＠konics.com

I stand corrected. A dab of white grease will do ya. Vaseline works in a pinch. No off topic or lewd comments on this please.... -----Original Message----- From: SUPRDAVE <SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 11:54 PM Subject: Re: back ontopic: mac 400k drive. >In a message dated 98-01-26 23:36:11 EST, you write: > ><< The grease on the eject rails hardens and causes this behaviour. You -can- > get it out with the paper clip if it moves at all, but you have to push > hard. >> > > >turns out that's exactly what it was! thankfully the drive mechanism separates >from the rest of the drive with screws. i had some head and disk cleaner >(alcohol) in a spray can, so i just sprayed it on the parts and worked them >back and forth until they were loose. i've no grease, but at least its working >just fine now. > >david. >

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Okimate Interfaces, Interact One

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: "Cliff Gregory" <cgregory(a)lrbcg.com> Subject: Re: Okimate 10 > The Okimate 10 uses a serial connection designed for computers without a > parallel port, such as the Commodore. There are interface cables made to > allow such a computer to communicate to a printer with a standard centronics > connector.... [snip] The Okimate Printers employed a modular interface called a "plug-n-play module, usually you would find them being Centronics parallel or Commodore Serial (I am sure there was an Atari SIO too, but I can't be certain...) As far as hooking printers to the IBM, it takes a parallel port adapter and special printer driver software.... Given the general speed of the Commodore serial port I would not bother. Besides, color dot matrix printers can be had for under $50 at many thrift shops. P.S. The Okimate is a real hog when it comes to color, expect about only 8 full color pages from a color ribbon, period. The ribbons are thermal transfer and are one-shot. 00101011110100100100011110100111010101010011100100110101000101001110011010011 From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> Subject: Re: Interact Model One >On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, Scott Ware wrote: >> I recently acquired an Interact Model One computer. It's a relatively >> small unit with calculator-style keys and a built in cassette deck for >> data storage. Inside, there is an 8080 CPU and 16 Kbytes of RAM. The >> latest date codes on the components place its manufacture in early 1978. ><snip> > Scott, I've got one of these systems, and I've only seen two others: one > owned by Doug Coward and another that (I THINK) Marvin Johnson bought at > VCF 1.0.[snip!] At a very reasonable price too I might add, I was tempted to get it myself... > These are not very common machines. I think they were used as training > computers for those "Become a Computer Technician" ads you see in computer > magazines for those cheezy tech schools. I remember seeing Protecto Enterprizes (and possibly COMB too) selling them they referred to them as "16K color computers." This was before Protecto started selling VIC-20s and B-128s... -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Timco.

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 05:01 AM 1/27/98 GMT, you wrote: >I have purchased from Timco a couple of times; he's slow to ship >but okay to deal with. I guess that's an endorsement. Me and my friend have had a hard time with Timco. He says he will hold a product until payment gets there, but then he ends up selling a laptop to someone else that he was supposedly holding for me for one week. I eventually got a refund, but my friend had the same luck with him, only he just got a refund for the cost of the item, not shipping. Buyer beware. Maybe we just had a run of badluck with the guy. I'm not condemning him for two mediocre deals, just telling it how it is. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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back ontopic: mac 400k drive.

by agammuto＠konics.com

Jason- You missed my point and (obviously) poor attempt at a little humor. I'm not connected with any authorized repair institution. I'm not sure that's what you were implying, but it kind of sounded like that. All I was saying was that if the mechanical parts were bent up or broke, it would be sensible to replace it. A working 400k spare drive for a Mac would be cheap and relatvely easy to find. Turns out it was only petrified grease. Great. Now everybody has learned somethng. I into classic machines as a hobby and don't try to make a living out of it. I guess that if I did, I'd be more inclined to avoid buying parts and repairing everything. I fix everything I can, and replace what I can't. That's the reason that I subscribe to this list - to save a few bucks, learn >from other people, and swap, buy, or sell hardware to and from other collectors. I assume that's why most of us are here. Big CHOMP! >... You could hose up the head, or send a minute > electrical charge through your body that could affect your ability to > reproduce in the future. Unless you are really good with working on tiny > mechanical parts, save yourself the headache and replace the drive. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ To vent abit... This reponses is typical of tech-support droid who do not wants anyone to mess with internal computer parts without giving any tips or solution besides telling them off to "authorized sites". Compaq is pretty bad especially when I own years out of date equipment and needs trival info on two resistors to fix a SLT power brick, I'm still have not gotten this information yet from anything else. Without fixing that, I can't sell the SLT 286 to others without losing that only different type working brick cuz I have SLT 386s/20 also. @&#! No fun to listen this especially when if that drive is no longer in production and *is* nonstandard. All we only do want some info and real techies are far fewer and far between common guys with stuff that can use support help so there should not have a fear of losing $ to those few techies. I really appreciate if some did released this design to private makers to keep making older non standad floppy drives for older machines. That goes double to: any laptop drives (oh how godawful different they're are!), Mac drives (Apple destroys their return broken parts when traded in for credits from their authorized service support places, thus drives up the cost becomes harder to get by the minute), and many other different drives. Jason D. email: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca Pero, Jason D.

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Tim Co.

by mallison＠konnections.com

www.timco-computers.com Wow, Great prices. Looks like they have an awful lot of worthless junque for people who regularly crave such things. Been looking for a MAC board for my 2page display, Guess I know where to get one... Thanks for the ref.. -Mike

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back ontopic: mac 400k drive.

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-26 23:36:11 EST, you write: << The grease on the eject rails hardens and causes this behaviour. You -can- get it out with the paper clip if it moves at all, but you have to push hard. >> turns out that's exactly what it was! thankfully the drive mechanism separates >from the rest of the drive with screws. i had some head and disk cleaner (alcohol) in a spray can, so i just sprayed it on the parts and worked them back and forth until they were loose. i've no grease, but at least its working just fine now. david.

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DEC Sold to Compaq!

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, I found out that Atari is kicking. Has anyone heard about the game "Primal Rage" It's copywrighted to Atari Games. Tim D. Hotze PS-It's my opinion that OS/2 (there making a new version) and DEC will be around, in one form or another, for quite awhile. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Prymmer <pvhp(a)forte.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 4:59 AM Subject: Re: DEC Sold to Compaq! >classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >Subj: Re: DEC Sold to Compaq! > >Richard A. Cini wrote: > >>Well, you could see it coming. Poor financial performance (and hence, weak >>stock price) over the last few years. Weak products. Then, DEC sells-out the >>Crown Jewels (its Alpha procesor) to Intel. >> >> After listening to an interview with Eckhard Pfeiffer of Compaq, they >>paid $9.6 billion for DEC's customer list, not its products. He mentions >>nothing about DEC's products. > >According to the scoop on DEC web pages and in comp.os.vms and various VMS >mailing list he said: > > We are committed to...investing in Digital's strategic assets, particularly > its worldwide service organization, as well as its 64-bit leadership with Alpha > microprocessors, OpenVMS, Digital UNIX and Windows NT enterprise systems, > open storage, and software products," Eckhard Pfeiffer, president and chief > executive officer of Compaq, said in a statement. > >And all the VMS geeks are tickled pink that he mentioned VMS first on the list >of OSes and point out that DEC CEO Bob Palmer hasn't been known to do that. > >> It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. >>Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. > >Well IBM is still alive and kicking (rumour is that the whole OS/2 shop has >been fired/re-assigned/real-estate liqidated but AS/400 minis and mainframes >are making a strong comeback). I Don't know much about Unisys though... > >Peter Prymmer > > >

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DEC Sold to Compaq!

by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subj: Re: DEC Sold to Compaq! Richard A. Cini wrote: >Well, you could see it coming. Poor financial performance (and hence, weak >stock price) over the last few years. Weak products. Then, DEC sells-out the >Crown Jewels (its Alpha procesor) to Intel. > > After listening to an interview with Eckhard Pfeiffer of Compaq, they >paid $9.6 billion for DEC's customer list, not its products. He mentions >nothing about DEC's products. According to the scoop on DEC web pages and in comp.os.vms and various VMS mailing list he said: We are committed to...investing in Digital's strategic assets, particularly its worldwide service organization, as well as its 64-bit leadership with Alpha microprocessors, OpenVMS, Digital UNIX and Windows NT enterprise systems, open storage, and software products," Eckhard Pfeiffer, president and chief executive officer of Compaq, said in a statement. And all the VMS geeks are tickled pink that he mentioned VMS first on the list of OSes and point out that DEC CEO Bob Palmer hasn't been known to do that. > It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. >Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. Well IBM is still alive and kicking (rumour is that the whole OS/2 shop has been fired/re-assigned/real-estate liqidated but AS/400 minis and mainframes are making a strong comeback). I Don't know much about Unisys though... Peter Prymmer

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This is the end... (Compaq buys DEC)

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Well, look here... http://www.digital.com/flash/f192 It's the end of Aplha, I know that... Compaq likes Intel, and so they'll do Intel a favor and kill Alpha off. Then all DEC will make is PC clones... And that's the end of decent architectures from Maynard! -------

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Luggables

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

>The original "suitcase" portable, I have to agree, but the lunch box >portables are quite nice. Though I expected some access to an ISA bus >in the Compaq III, there weren't any. That's the one nice advantage to >the luggable -- they're expandable, to a degree... The Portable III often comes with an expansion box that fits on the back. Makes the package a "big" lunchbox and has room for 2 or 3 ISA cards. Most I have seen have VGA and network cards in there.

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Luggables

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:14 PM 1/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >Yeah, I've been looking for an expansion module. Hope I see one....if >anyone sees any let me know what the going prices are... There was one for sale recently on ebay; I forget what it eventually sold for, but it was: Compaq Portable III ISA Expansion Unit. (item #3694518) You can do a search to look up the final price. Also, I know where there may be one for $100, but you have to take the Compaq it's attached to as well. 8^) (Condition unknown, etc.; it's outta my price range.) P.S., Just to let folks know, this list doesn't get anywhere near as off-topic as a couple of Land Rover lists I'm on, and it is nowhere near as well policed as the Dressage list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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MFM drives

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

>My two favorite tools for HD work are the "On-Track Disk Manager >program V 5", and "Hard Drive Test Specs" program. DM lets you test, >LL format, create, and prep partitions. I will give a hearty second to the recommendation for Disk Manager. Can't be beat. If you've ever swapped a hard drive, or you ever plan to, get this program! If you even know what a hard drive is, you should probably have it. Also good is LapLink Pro, which allows you to transfer itself to another computer without having to use diskettes -- handy for those older (PC) machines (like >10 years) whose floppy drives have gone south, but you want access to the hard drive. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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IBM Portable Personal Computer (and other things)

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> I'm not that impressed with the 3270pc. I bought it because I wanted > stuff out of it, but it was all pretty much proprietary (and covered > in dust and old) lots of wire wrapping and jumpers, so I just left it > alone. Now I use it to test Linux-16. > > The REAL question is, if IBM used these as terminals which could run > software, what did they have in them allowing them to use the network > ports? I mean that was 1984, DOS might have had some hooks, but they > would have sold it. > > Were these running XENIX/86, CPM86, or what? Anyone know? Anyone have > the software... Um. As I recall, when you booted a 3270PC, it booted MS-DOS from the hard disk as usual. Early on in the boot procedure, it loaded some sort of 3270-terminal-operating-system which grabbed some memory somewhere, locked DOS out of it somehow and REBOOTED. DOS then loaded normally UNDERNEATH the terminal program. The 3270 PC had some extra keys on the keyboard - the function keys (24 of them) were where they are on a modern PC keyboard, but there was a block of keys where they were on the original PC keyboard. These keys did things like switch between your terminal session and your PC session. The keyboard plugged into the terminal card as well as the keyboard port, BTW - I think the terminal card filtered out stuff that wasn't meant for the DOS session. The point was, DOS never knew about the terminal unless you specifically piped data through the terminal program. IBM sold an API (Application Program Interface) which was a piece of software allowing programs running on the PC to type on the terminal, look at the terminal screen memory, etc. Very crude. File transfer software - not very good - was available too. The reason they were rare was that the IBM 3270 terminal protocol (SNA, Systems Network Architecture) was only used on IBM mainframes - not even on the System/3X minis. I don't know how it worked but it was EBCDIC for a start... Returning to the 5155, when I was working at IBM this was the cheapest complete system in the IBM range - it was much the same price as an XT (if not less) and it had a monitor built in. Many IBM employees bought them as an entry level system (IBM required us to sign a contract saying we wouldn't develop software for other than IBM machines - I don't know whether this would have survived a court case!) But there must be some around if only for that reason. Hope this helps! Philip. PS *** Off Topic *** Will Sam and Anthony please go and have their argument somewhere else? The first couple of posts about Anthony's personal testimony were interesting and related to computers. The subsequent argument about drugs and off-topic posts, not to mention mature adults of 17 and silly kids of 30 (I'm one of the latter FWIW) was not. Sam, you say Anthony has problems - but so do you. Will you stop jumping down everybody's throat as soon as the topic starts to drift, please? Finally, alcohol. Interesting points about Prohibition (which we didn't have over here). Thank you whoever posted them (even though off topic). Denatured alcohol here is still "Methylated Spirit" - i.e. it has had methanol added. It has also had pyridine (I think) added to make it look purple and taste foul, and it is therefore even more poisonous, but it doesn't leave a residue. On the subject of home-made booze, if you use the wrong sort of yeast, you may well get methanol in the ferment. During prohibition I'd guess that proper brewer's yeast was not easily available! Apparently potatoes are particularly susceptible, and this has given the traditional Irish spirit made therefrom, Poteen, a bad name for making you literally "blind drunk." Since I am a non-drinker I'd better say no more on that subject... Philip.

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toner cleaning

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

IT IS CARBON TETRACHLORIDE that produces phosgene when it is > reduced on a hot surface. Carbon tet (tetrachloromethane) hasn't been > available for 30 years! Funny how legends continue to spread. :) H'm. Sorry for shooting off my mouth. Computers (peecees, anyway...) I know, but chem is not my cuppa tea. manney

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Mid-Atlantic Antique Computer Club

by Marty＠itgonline.com

To whom it may concern: I would like to get in touch with anybody interested in 'antique' computers, especially in the Washington, DC metropolitan area to exchange info and perhaps start an east coast collector organization. Please email me: marty(a)itgonline.com Thanks- Marty Mintzell 5635 Heming avenue Springfield, Virginia 22151 703-569-2380 email:marty@itgonline.com

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toner cleaning

by Squest＠cris.com

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > Great, but what does homemade booze have to do with collecting old > computers? Well, one guy wondered what it was that caused denatured alcohol to leave residue on his computer printed circuit boards he was cleaning. My off-topic message answered that question he never even asked. :) Now if you'd like to eat your words, start munching. :) My off-topic post was of benefit to ONE PERSON, and that's enough to justify it's creation. sq (just put the unique word "Squest" in your killfile if you don't like it.) -- -<squest(a)cris.com>---------\ ( ( | ) ) Amendment1 Congress shall make ============================> /_\ no law abridging the freedom MicroPower FM Broadcasting-/ /\_/\ of speech, or of the press.

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IBM Portable Personal Computer (and other things)

by mallison＠konnections.com

I wouldn't know if my 3270pc is original or not, but there's no extended keyboard. -Mike ---------- > From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re[2]: IBM Portable Personal Computer (and other things) > Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 10:44 AM > > > I'm not that impressed with the 3270pc. I bought it because I wanted > > stuff out of it, but it was all pretty much proprietary (and covered > > in dust and old) lots of wire wrapping and jumpers, so I just left it > > alone. Now I use it to test Linux-16. > > > > The REAL question is, if IBM used these as terminals which could run > > software, what did they have in them allowing them to use the network > > ports? I mean that was 1984, DOS might have had some hooks, but they > > would have sold it. > > > > Were these running XENIX/86, CPM86, or what? Anyone know? Anyone have > > the software... > > Um. As I recall, when you booted a 3270PC, it booted MS-DOS from the > hard disk as usual. Early on in the boot procedure, it loaded some sort > of 3270-terminal-operating-system which grabbed some memory somewhere, > locked DOS out of it somehow and REBOOTED. DOS then loaded normally > UNDERNEATH the terminal program. > > The 3270 PC had some extra keys on the keyboard - the function keys (24 > of them) were where they are on a modern PC keyboard, but there was a > block of keys where they were on the original PC keyboard. These keys > did things like switch between your terminal session and your PC > session. The keyboard plugged into the terminal card as well as the > keyboard port, BTW - I think the terminal card filtered out stuff that > wasn't meant for the DOS session. The point was, DOS never knew about > the terminal unless you specifically piped data through the terminal > program. > >

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99 cent store find...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

While on a recent excursion to Stockton (a realtively close big city for us) we stopped by one of those 99 cent clearnace centers and I was surprised to find boxes of disks available. I picked up 90 DS/DD diskettes for just $8.91, 9.9 cents for a 'new' brand name disk is pretty good. They also had 5.25" DS/HD (don't have any need for those...) and also a few boxes of 8" disks, (W/WP, is that the format? It was the only thing that looked like a format/sectoring I.D. to me...) Other than that I picked up a VIC-20 RF modulator for 75 cents... Wasn't really thrift-storing that day... :) I did pick up a Maganavox composite/RGB monitor for only $4.50 a couple weeks back though. Question on this, it has TTL RGB and Lin. RGB ports, is the Lin. RGB Analog RGB? (Magnavox did produce a few Commodore/Amiga monitors, I am hoping this one may be Amiga compatible...) Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by bufforec＠studiobuffo.com.pl

I am looking for 20M removable bernoulli drives. I use them in my music console rack. Since two weeks I have problem with it and I can't read old data. I make few radical steps included filter exchange but without succes. This units are dedicated to my system and I can replace it only for the same 20M drives. Maybe somebody, somewhere has useless items in a basement store... Thanks for colaboration. Jarek Warsaw 25.01.98

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Luggables

by mallison＠konnections.com

Yeah, I've been looking for an expansion module. Hope I see one....if anyone sees any let me know what the going prices are... (It probably just went up in value.....) -Mike ---------- > From: Olminkhof <jolminkh(a)c2.telstra-mm.net.au> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Luggables > Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 5:08 AM > > > > >The original "suitcase" portable, I have to agree, but the lunch box > >portables are quite nice. Though I expected some access to an ISA bus > >in the Compaq III, there weren't any. That's the one nice advantage to > >the luggable -- they're expandable, to a degree... > > > The Portable III often comes with an expansion box that fits on the back. > Makes the package a "big" lunchbox and has room for 2 or 3 ISA cards. Most I > have seen have VGA and network cards in there. >

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Looking for a Fujitsu M2382 User

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi All: The title says it all. I have a sick M2382 SMD drive, and am looking for someone who is running one successfully, so that we can compare switch settings, QD32 or QD33 parameters, or documentation. The drive's on a known-good QD32 on a Microvax II. It's in tandem with an M2372, on the same QD32. The M2372 drive is working well. Thanks, Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!]) (fwd)

by mallison＠konnections.com

Yeah, so, he mailed a personal note, off line off the list, like he's supposed to, so that there isn't a bunch of drivvel on the list. That's the whole point to this seemingly pointless discussion. -Mike Allison ---------- > > I think the following says all that need be said about this debate. > I received it from Mr. Ismail this evening. > > Anthony Clifton - Wirehead

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"Black Apple" Floppy Drive

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Somebody's selling a Bell & Howell "black Apple" floppy drive on Ebay: http://iguana.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4986738

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//gs manuals

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Well, after closer investigation, I found the DOS info that I needed. Sorry for the post. I'd still like the manuals, though. Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

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Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!])

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Sorry to but in, but some of us ARE CHILDREN. ;-) And, honestly, I hate to point out, but you're acting less mature than we do. Honestly, the guy made a mistake. Why blame him? If there's anyone who can seriously tell me their perfect, then disregard this, but we all make 'em. Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!]) >Oh, stop acting like children! I screwed up by misdirecting that message in >the first place. Nobody needs to get violent! Just tag the posts [OFF-TOPIC] >like is done in a.f.s-m. That way you can kill the message if you don't want to read it. >-------

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II+ Os/Software

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hi. I'm getting a II+ from Jeff Kaneko, but, as usual from thrift stores, no OS/Software. Is the II+ like the II GS, downloadalbe from the 'Net? Also, is there any software out there? If I can download it from the net, where, and how do I copy it (using either 1.44MB 3.5" or a 360K 5.25" drive, PC, SERIAL connection???) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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Now, back to topic...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Yes, I know I started that mess :) Sorry. I just picked up a MicroVAX 2000. Little bitty box. It's portable, it even has a handle. Runx VAX/VMS 5.4. I'll drop NetBSD on here and have it up in no time at all. Or, I may keep VMS... -------

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IIgs manuals wanted

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: Does anyone have a spare set of Apple //gs manuals that they'd be willing to part with? I just got two floppy drives for my new gs, so I'm just beginning to work my way around it. I'm running ProDOS until I can get OS/GS transferred to it. I've got a 5-1/4" and a 3-1/2" floppy, but can't seem to get ProDOS to INIT a new disk. No immediate solution is apparent from Nathan Mates' on-line info. Thanks! Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

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Atari 800/ 800XL DOS commands?

by archive＠navix.net

Hello: Here's my question. I am trying to figure out how to load certain commands on an Atari 800xl. I guess I should say 'files'. I can load BASIC files just fine with DOS loaded, I just exit to BASIC and RUN"D1:game.bas" -- is there a way to do it directly from DOS 2.5, etc., without going back to BASIC? And, my primary question.... if I see a machine language file in the DOS directory such as ataridemo.obj or game237.com, how can I load these. I have interpreted from some other sources that I need to reboot without the basic cartridge in to run a machine language program, but how 'actually' do I do it? I don't see any of the menu options under DOS that say "load machine language file: " or anything like that. Please respond back if you have any information, as I am trying to catalog all those Atari 800 (and everything) disks. Thank you very much, CORD COSLOR -- _________________________________________ | Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net | | Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | |-----------------------------------------| | PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421-0308 | | (402) 872- 3272 | |_________________________________________|

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Atari 800/ 800XL DOS commands?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i thought the command was something like LIST D1:filespec but its been so long. my 1050 drive manual doesnt have much info on it. to get dos help, the manual says to press H at the dos menu. this will bring up a help menu. press h and return to bring up screens of info. In a message dated 98-01-25 21:07:05 EST, you write: << And, my primary question.... if I see a machine language file in the DOS directory such as ataridemo.obj or game237.com, how can I load these. I have interpreted from some other sources that I need to reboot without the basic cartridge in to run a machine language program, but how 'actually' do I do it? I don't see any of the menu options under DOS that say "load machine language file: " or anything like that. >>

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SoCal PDP Items at TRW

by jpl15＠netcom.com

A reminder to any PDP/Plessey collectors among us that I will have several pieces of Plessey 'PDP-clone' items at the monthly TRW Amateur Radio Swap Meet this coming Sat the 31st. I have a Plessey MicroII complete except for software... it boots into ODT '*', also a twin 8" drive for it.. a Kennedy 5xxx drive with see-thru cover.. needs an interface, and various other items of interest to the classic mini collector. I am trying to thin my collection and keep to 'true-blue' DEC stuff. Bad pun. Sorry.... ANYWAY... e-mail for info/directions/chat/whatever: delivery is available for the right bribe. I am looking for: An interface/formatter to connect a Kennedy 9300 9trk to an 11/34a A/D and/or D/A cards for the MINC-11 70's vintage D/A boxes for the PDP-11 If you are local or visiting, TRW is a great place to score micros and the occasional mini. Last time, an IBM Sys/34 complete went for $20.. software and terminals and docs. The guy 'inherited' it and just wanted it off the back of his little truck. Had not another indivdual (who had been an IBM field tech) bought it... it would be here. In what's left of the garage space. This is just an example of what turns up there. TRW plant in El Segundo, 7:30am to 11:30am e-mail me for space numbers and more. Cheers to all John

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not > the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks > and even an unused cleaning kit for it. They're SCSI. Old enough that I don't know whether they'll work with anything; I've hooked up a 44MB Bernoulli to a Linux box and it works (I just have to have it powered off when I turn the machine on because the SCSI ROM BIOS doesn't like it), but I've not fiddled with my 10MB units yet. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Interact Model One

by s-ware＠nwu.edu

I recently acquired an Interact Model One computer. It's a relatively small unit with calculator-style keys and a built in cassette deck for data storage. Inside, there is an 8080 CPU and 16 Kbytes of RAM. The latest date codes on the components place its manufacture in early 1978. Video output is color NTSC, and there is a built-in RF modulator for driving a television. The rather large pixels yield a 16 x 12 text display. The ROM seems to contain only enough code to start the process of loading programs from tape. Fortunately, I picked up two different BASIC variants (EDU-BASIC, which is a usable "tiny" BASIC, and Level II Microsoft BASIC.), as well as about a dozen games on tape. The 20-year old cassette tapes I obtained with this machine are starting to deteriorate. Unfortunately, copies made using relatively high-quality audio cassette decks do not load. The head on the internal cassette deck is a standard 1/2 track mono head, so copying the tapes should not be difficult. Does anyone know if Interact produced their cassettes slightly off "standard" alignment as a form of copy protection? I'm currently planning to use one of the prerecorded Interact cassettes to set the azimuth adjustment on an old cassette deck, and then use this deck for both playback and recording to make working copies of the Interact tapes if this is the case. If not, I'll record copies on a properly aligned deck and then adjust the Interact to read the copies. -- Scott Ware NUMS-MPBC Macromolecular Crystallography Resource 303 East Chicago Avenue, Ward 8-264, Chicago, IL 60611 (312)503-0813 Finger ware(a)xtal.pharm.nwu.edu for PGP public key

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DEC and Apricots

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>>2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable >>model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they >>were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good >>as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just >>commercial junk? How much would these machines go for? >The GUI was quite primitive compared to say a Mac of the same era. Mine are >all monochrome, don't know if there was a color version. Hadn't heard of the >voice recognition before. I've never used one myself, so I can't comment on the GUI. However the portable Apricot did indeed have voice recognition. It was a nice box - a very attractive V-shaped design (to put the monitor at a good angle), light keyboard, and voice recognition. It was also black, which is a fine thing. However, it was a membrane keyboard similar to the Sinclair QL, the voice recog was not very good, suffered from an awful microphone (apparantly you had to almost literally swallow it before it could pick up anything), and the neat V-shape meant that you could not adjust the monitor angle - which was not good at all, as it was one of those early LCD sorts where than angle had to be perfect. It did run MS-DOS, but wasn't 100% compat. My faviourite touch, though, was that if you included an external monitor, the LCD one could be used independently - much like on the Mac Powerbooks. If anyone knows where I can get one please let me know - it's near the top of my wish list. Adam.

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 05:44 PM 1/25/98 EST, you wrote: >I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not >the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks >and even an unused cleaning kit for it. I don't have a controller either, probably why it's sitting up in the rafters of the garage. Think I should dig a big hole and bury it for future generations? -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Luggables

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

The luggables look cool on the outside, but they're pretty boring. The Compaq Portable seems to have a non-standard video card; it wouldn't run Works 2.0 correctly. I liked the one IBM Convertible I've seen, though they could have made it lighter. Unfortunately, it was trashed w/o my consultation [ 8^( ] and I never got a chance to try the software package that used to come with those things. If you ask me, the Mac Plus -like machines were/are better. At least they have a normal screen. I LOVE my Mac Portable, though it has a bit of an appetite for power. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I have the drivers for bernoullis (don't know what kind, but they came off an XT). manney(a)nwohio.com ---------- > From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > To: Manney > Subject: Re: Wanted Bernoulli drive > Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 5:05 PM > > I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not > the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks > and even an unused cleaning kit for it. > > david

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DEC and Apricots

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

>Two questions: . >2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable >model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they >were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good >as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just >commercial junk? How much would these machines go for? The GUI was quite primitive compared to say a Mac of the same era. Mine are all monochrome, don't know if there was a color version. Hadn't heard of the voice recognition before. There is an Apricot wep page at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4462/apricot.html

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks and even an unused cleaning kit for it. david

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 10:55 PM 1/25/98 +0100, you wrote: >I am looking for 20M removable bernoulli drives. I use them in my music >console rack. Since two weeks I have problem with it and I can't read >old data. I make few radical steps included filter exchange but without >succes. This units are dedicated to my system and I can replace it only >for the same 20M drives. Maybe somebody, somewhere has useless items in I've got a dual 10mb unit sitting in the garage, but that won't help you. Does anyone else want it? It's pretty hefty. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!])

by weese＠mind.net

C'mon, Sam, don't hold it back -- tell us how you really feel! ---mikey > I don't care to hear about your drug addictions and your non-existent sex > life! It is of no interest to me whatsoever! Now, if you've got > something regarding old computers to talk about, let's hear it. > Otherwise, go join a support group. > > > BIG HINT: This was posted publicly in the hopes that others who might > consider writing about similar blather will get a clue. > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! >

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Archives

by aaron＠prinsol.com

In the spirit of the last few posts: Hi, I'm new to the list. My collection so far includes several Sun 3 models, Atari 8-bit and ST stuff, a couple of old AT's and XT's, Apple II's and Macs, and a few CP/M machines. I am a former refugee from the mid-80's Atari user's groups, when the same people would meet *socially* twice a week - once for the Atari group and once for the skeptics/athiests group. Pleased to meet you all.... BTW, is there a publicly available archive for this list? Regards, Aaron Finney

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

there's an interesting story concerning my portable pc. i bought my first at a thrift store for $5 with no keyboard so i just ran a cable extender out of the back. quite a while later, i bought a box of keyboards at a radio rally for $5 and whaddya know, but there's a portable pc keyboard in there, complete! i snapped it into my ppc, and now it's complete. now, if only the same thing would happen with an atari power supply... david

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 7:32 PM Subject: IBM Portable Personal Computer > >I just picked-up an IBM Portable Personal Computer (Model 5155, I believe >its basically a portable XT with dual 5.25" drives and a bulit-in monitor, >512K). [Hey Roger, it's got a handle!] I was also able to find the >Operations Guide for it at another place. Very cool. > >QUESTION: Does anyone know how many of these were produced? > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > >

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Mac Development

by rkneusel＠post.its.mcw.edu

There are several freeware Mac development systems out there you can try if you are interested. Personally, I often use MacMETH Modula-2. It runs under System 6 or System 7, haven't tried it with System 8. I should post my version of it on the web as it has a library of Mac Toolbox routines that for some reason were not included in the usual release. Nice documentation, too. I'd also look at Pocket Forth (http://keaggy.intmed.mcw.edu/pf.html) which is probably my current favorite programming language. It is very small but fast and can be used to build nice little standalone apps. If you are curious as to how I have a recent article in Forth Dimensions that can be used as a starting point, just let me know. Others to try would be Yerk and Mops, both similar, both object-oriented Forths. Yerk is more likely to work on old Macs. I use them when the project is too large for Pocket Forth's dictionary (a 16-bit Forth, the others are 32-bit and very powerful, and very well documented) Aren't most of the IM books, at least the old ones, available from an Apple web site somewhere? I thought they were. Also, you'd be surprised (I am) at the amount of software that still runs on a 12 year old Mac SE under System 6.0.8! Finally, someone mentioned Apple's MPW as the way to get a CLI on a Mac. Another possibility is the Alpha text editor which has a command line shell and uses Tcl as its programming language. I don't think it runs under System 6, though. If you want one, write your own! Give the app the type/creator of the Finder, rename it Finder and put it in the System Folder. When the Mac starts up it will be used in place of the Finder. - Ron Kneusel rkneusel(a)mcw.edu

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DEC and Apricots

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Two questions: 1) What is a DECstation 312? Is it just a PC clone? What processor? 2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just commercial junk? How much would these machines go for? Ok, a third question: What is an IBM Eduquest? They are PC-like machines, but how different? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Okimate 10

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

The Okimate 10 uses a serial connection designed for computers without a parallel port, such as the Commodore. There are interface cables made to allow such a computer to communicate to a printer with a standard centronics connector. However, I have never seen a way to do it the other way around (but such a beast may exist, FAIK). A more likely scenario is to find an adaptor to allow the Okimate to interface with a PC's serial port. HTH, Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 12:33 AM Subject: Okimate 10 > >I would like to inquire about the printer's cable connection. Will it >accept a standard centronics cable? I would appreciate any information >that you can give me regarding this matter or any information that you may >have about the availability of an Okimate 10 module that would allow >connection with a centronics cable. > >--Thank You-- > >whunt >

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

The 5140 is the IBM convertible computer released in 1986, two years after the 5155. A real nice machine, BTW. Closer to a true portable (weighs in at about 12 lgs.) than the previous luggables by IBM, Compaq, Kaypro, et. al. Also one of the first (not sure of what I speak here) with a LCD screen. For a picture and complete specs go to: http://www.can.ibm.com/helpware/5140.html Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 10:20 PM Subject: Re: IBM Portable Personal Computer > > > >>I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems >>to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a >>perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). >> > > >I know what a 5155 is, I have two of those, but what is a 5140? > >

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Diagnostics for IBM PC AT ver 2.02

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I had bought an AT at an auction sale once. it was the old type 1 board, with 512k and double stacked ram chips. much to my surprise, it was upgraded to the familiar AMI bios, which of course gave it type 47 for user defined drives! should of kept it for that reason. i sold it before i started my collection in 1991 david In a message dated 98-01-24 21:57:20 EST, you write: << Correct. The PC/AT bios only stores a drive code (a number that points to a table in the ROM) in the CMOS RAM/RTC chip. There's no support for storing drive parameters there. That's why there's a kludge ROM in this machine with a patched drive table so I could add a larger IDE drive to it. >>

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toner cleaning

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

When I usta repair Xerox machines, I used trichloroethane to get rid of it. Do NOT put trichlor on hot metal (such as a fuser), or else you'll end up with phosgene gas, which is -- shall we say -- slightlu harmful. (It was one of the war gasses used during WWI). I've heard that trichlor was outlawed, but I still see it around. My favorite all-around solvent is MEK, but I haven't tried it on toner. manney(a)nwohio.com

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PDP-8/Es available

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

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new additions: macs!

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 07:30 PM 1/24/98 -0700, you wrote: >Dave: > >Sun Remarketing in Smithfield Utah still has MacWrite and MacPaint for >the 512 and I think they have an agreement allowing them to produce >copies of MAC OS 3.2 on 400k floppies. They did for me, anyway. Just >copied it. Good on them. They have a page, I just dunno what it is. You can also find System .97 and some other older systems and software to run on them available on some page out there. Do a search on classic+mac+software and it should pop up towards the top. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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diskdrive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 03:21 PM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, James Bradford wrote: >Where do these damn posts keep coming from? And why do people think they >are sending e-mail to some dood when they post to classiccmp? I think that's how I got subscribed to this list. I came across an obscure reference to it on a web page and posted a message to it, pre-apologizing for posting, and asking how to subscribe. Someone immediately helped me out, and I'm now on the list. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Off topic Topicalities from the Deep!

by higginbo＠netpath.net

<twocents> <topic=off> Isn't complaining that something is off-topic be off-topic in itself? Wouldn't that complaining be better directed to the list admin or to the off-topician themselves? That's my insight on the matter, on-topic, off-topic, under-topic, et al. </topic> </twocents> At 09:47 AM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >sure it's all very interesting, our nerd lives, but I'm sure there's an >IRC chat room where you can openly discuss your life and views without >going severely off-topic. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i havent had any problems finding either a 5140 or 5155. i have two portable pcs and one convertible which i traded a nic for. i have seen 5155s at several hamfests, and even saw two at a hock shop for $150 each <!> I have a book that says the 5155 was "rare" but i disagree. i'd much rather love to find a complete 3270pc or a xt370 or even an at370. david In a message dated 98-01-24 20:06:45 EST, somebody got back to topic and wrote: << I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com >>

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by dastar＠wco.com

I just picked-up an IBM Portable Personal Computer (Model 5155, I believe its basically a portable XT with dual 5.25" drives and a bulit-in monitor, 512K). [Hey Roger, it's got a handle!] I was also able to find the Operations Guide for it at another place. Very cool. QUESTION: Does anyone know how many of these were produced? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Okimate 10

by whunt＠panacom.com

I would like to inquire about the printer's cable connection. Will it accept a standard centronics cable? I would appreciate any information that you can give me regarding this matter or any information that you may have about the availability of an Okimate 10 module that would allow connection with a centronics cable. --Thank You-- whunt

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Subscribing to the list....

by aaron＠orr.wfi-inc.com

Hi, I saw the archives of the list and was wondering if it's open or not, and how to subscribe if so. Thanks, Aaron Finney

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by mallison＠konnections.com

I didn't even know you could run a monitor on 12v. Learn somethin new... Is that the same on NeXT Monitors with a similar setup? Do you know? -Mike jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca wrote: > > > I paid the same for my Portable as my 3270pc (complete w/monitor) -- > > 15.00 > > > > Don't feel bad. I recently pulled down a good little Compaq Portable > > III lunchbox w/286 & 287 for 6 bucks... > > > > Utah sucks, except for its thrift store computer shopping.... > > > > I watched 2 rainbow 100s and a decmate II sit for months. I would have > > bought the decmate, but there seemed a small short in the power from the > > cpu to the monitor. As it is one of those integrated power cords, I > > figured I'd probably electrocute myself dickin with it. > > Via 15pin D-shell connectors? > The monitor gets the 12v juice from the pc as you suspected. That > will not bite you! :) > > Jason D. > > > > -Mike > > > > SUPRDAVE wrote: > > > > > > i havent had any problems finding either a 5140 or 5155. i have two portable > > > pcs and one convertible which i traded a nic for. i have seen 5155s at several > > > hamfests, and even saw two at a hock shop for $150 each <!> I have a book that > > > says the 5155 was "rare" but i disagree. i'd much rather love to find a > > > complete 3270pc or a xt370 or even an at370. > > > > > > david > > > > > > In a message dated 98-01-24 20:06:45 EST, somebody got back to topic and > > > wrote: > > > > > > << I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems > > > to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a > > > perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). > > > > > > Cliff Gregory > > > cgregory(a)lrbcg.com >> > > > > > email: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca > Pero, Jason D.

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new additions: macs!

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

a friend and i lurk a local forsale newsgroup, and we picked up a bunch of b+w mac goodies. we got: 3 page monitors, not tested. two use a db9 connector and the other uses a db15. two are radius, one is an off brand. i've no way of testing these. platinum plus with 4 meg works good. i noticed the system board on this mac has 4 sockets with metal locking tabs, instead of the plastic ones which break way too easy. this must be a later model board that my original platinum plus i have. mac 512k model. boots ok, but when accessing a disk with the noisy floppy drive, the screen narrows and gets a sad mac with f0064 or similar. sounds like a dodgy power supply for which i have a spare. mac se shell in excellent shape. i might swap my beat up se into this better shell. two mac 512k machines with something interesting called a hyperdrive. it's a daughterboard that runs a mfm drive crammed in behind the tube. one 512k is missing the drives, the other is complete. the drive is partitioned into 3 partitions. clever idea. also got some 400k floppy drives and an apple personal modem which plugs into the wall and is the platinum colour. model a9m0334. 300, 1200 or 2400 bps? david

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

>I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems >to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a >perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). > I know what a 5155 is, I have two of those, but what is a 5140?

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Improve your socialization skills!

by zmerch＠northernway.net

;-) Clearing the snow from my glasses, I saw Wirehead Prime typed: > Max Eskin wrote: >> If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs (though >> I am firmly against drugs, tobacco, alcohol, and firearms) [snip] Uh... right. :-( How can you be so firmly against drugs, etc... and condone their use? That's highly illogical. [snip] > re: cool - vs. - uncool I agree totally. >As for my wife, she's beautiful and would never have married me if I'd >been into drugs. She married me because I'm sweet, stable and >loving...which is something you don't become by using drugs. Granted, >there are alot of "computer divorces" but I've cultivated a sense of >priorities that prevents that. Same with my wife, except: I *won* her heart in part due to my computers (which _really_ helps my argument for the full basement... ;-) and because I could provide a stable home life, etc. Let's take a vote: My dad is a trucker. He works very hard, was a good provider. Never home tho. Damn near got divorced. My dad's middle brother - trucker. Never home. Divorced. (Remarried the same woman, but...) My dad's youngest brother - an engineer on the Great Lakes ships. 1000 foot freighters don't dock on your driveway. Thankfully, no plans for splitsville yet, but he never sees his 1-1/2 year old girl, either. My brother - a weldor. (uh, yea - that spelling *is* correct. ;-) The "welder" is just the juicebox.) He works for a company that paints watertowers - very dangerous work. Also, how many watertowers do you have in your town that *need* repair? Marital Status: Divorced. All of these people said I was foolish for "playing with those stupid toys" instead of learning to "work like a man." Yes, I may spend more time in my basement than all of the above combined, but my family is just upstairs where I can see them -- or they can come down to see me. I come home every evening (except for overtime or poker night) and of all mentioned, I have the happiest home existance. Now how's the geek? >Anyway, I'm going to get back on topic now... As shall I - and the whole reason for this e-mail: A reminder that 18/19 April 1998 there will be a CoCoFest in Elgin Illinois (NW of Chicago). (I believe it's the 8th annual "Last" CoCoFest ;-) Everyone with (or who likes) a CoCo come on out of the basement, bring your CoCos with you, and head on over for a weekend of fresh air (unless it's a southeast wind... <g>) and socialization with both carbon and silicon-based life forms! Want more info? Email me at the address below. Yea, yea, yea... I'll shut up now! Keep workin' on those Facial Tans! (Who needs MPR-2, anyway? ;-) Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

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Cleaning out my storage room...

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

> So, that's could settle your doubts. I didn't have any doubts -- I just wanted it. How much ya want for it? (if you'll send me yer e-mail addr, we can negotiate in private.) > What's up with your cataloging your pile of motherboards going so > far? Ick. No time manney(a)nwohio.com

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Some classic finds!

by archive＠navix.net

Today a lady in SE Oklahoma called me, and says she just picked up quite a few things at a local vo-tech auction. I will pass this information onto you folks, as I'm waiting to find out some shipping charges from you. Her name is ShirleyShliger and her home phone # is 405-286- 2965. Her e-mail address is shirley(a)redriver.com. Included in the list of things she picked up are: 1) 9 TRS-80s - 3 or 4 each of Model 3 and Model 4 units. 2) 1 TRS-80 Model 1 keyboard only. 3) Some type of Commodore suitcase portable???? 4) IBM DisplayWriter's with 8 inch drives. 5) IBM PC, Jr (2) with monitor and keyboard 9) Radio Shack DMP 100-110 printers 10) Several IBM .... printers. 11) Bell & Howell Apple. Black case...! 12) Sounds like much more. Let's go rescue this stuff. Good luck, CORD COSLOR Archive Software -- _________________________________________ | Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net | | Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | |-----------------------------------------| | PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421-0308 | | (402) 872- 3272 | |_________________________________________|

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Need Keyboard for DEC VT-220

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I think I have a couple if you still need 'em. manney(a)nwohio.com > Also got a VT220 without a keyboard. Does anyone have a working keyboard > they're willing to get rid of for the cost of shipping?

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diskdrive

by sup8pdct＠mail.cth.com.au

Hi. Was just woundering if you still have the indusgt for sale. It was a little while ago.

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Mac development

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

Try this address at Apple to look up info: http://til.info.apple.com/ -- Kirk

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Diagnostics for IBM PC AT ver 2.02

by Ad＠elan.nl

I'm looking for a disk called "Diagnostics for IBM PC AT ver 2.02". To setup my old 286 with a Seagate type 42 HD

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Mac development

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

>This, I'm stumped by. Is it supposed to be BinHex? Sorry about that. For some reason this was MIME'd. Try this address at Apple to look up info: http://til.info.apple.com/ -- Kirk

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PDP-8/Es available

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

>If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs (though >I am firmly against drugs, tobacco, alcohol, and firearms) than not >do drugs and sit for years in the basement without seeing the light >of day. It seems to me that since we all die anyway, might as well >enjoy. I am not brave enough to take that approach, so I sit at my >computer all day (when I am not at school-I am in 9th grade). Drugs suck... They are screaming their heads off trying to legalize marijuana when they should be getting rid of tobacco... My dad ended up in the hospital getting a quadruple bypass surgery, the only reason it wasn't worse than that is that he had stopped smoking about a year before that when he had a heart attack. Although eating fast food most of the time probably didn't help... I LIKE sitting in a basement all day... I wake up around noon, go check my email, grab something to eat, go try to figure out where I put that repair manual for whichever computer is broken today, eat a snack, try to find parts to repair the broken computer, eat lunch, try to fix the computer and break it again, surf the web for a couple of hours trying to find someting about my broken computer, eat dinner, go to sleep at 3am... OK, so I'm not quite THAT far gone, but you get the idea. I also volunteer at the local science museum once a week in the computer lab(30-odd computers and a sleeping System/34 in the corner), and I might even start working on the submarine parked outside... So I'm not in the basement all day. In the summer I ride around the neighborhood on my bike for a while, although it gets pretty boring. I think it's better to spend the summer in a nice cool basement and only go outside in the morning when it's cooler, or maybe just in the spring and fall. And then spend half the winter inside sitting in front of a nice big fire. And the only reason I get away with this isthat I'm home schooled... Been doing that for a while, but the first year was the worst. The entire year my mom sat there torturing me with multiplication tables... I hated it, but it worked. Right now I'm refusing to go near anything that hasto do with algebra(keep getting stuck on a few things), but all the stuff that interests me(quantum whatchamacallits, trig, and all that other fancy stuff) you need to get past algebra first... And that's where I've been stuck for the past two or three years. I HATE ALGEBRA!!! And learning morse code so I can get a ham radio license is the perfect excuse to stay away from it... :-) Well, I can't stay in the basement much longer, I need to go get supplies to keep my computers running! Well, I guess I'd better go get a job so I can buy the stuff before my computers completely fall apart. Anyone sick of reading my email yet? I am... I don't think we could get much more off topic than this. -JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/

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PDP-8/Es available

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-24 13:41:02 EST, somebody rambled on and on about: << > If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs... >> ::major snippage!:: hmm, i thought we discussed collecting old computers.... can we get back on the PROPER topic?

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CLASSICCMP digest 304

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: Cord Coslor <archive(a)navix.net> To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Some classic finds! Message-ID: <34C915B4.68900862(a)navix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just tried her e-mail address, and it doesn't seem to be correct. That is what she told me, though. Anyway, the phone # is correct. I will try to post the correct e-mail address for her soon!. CORD Cord Coslor wrote: > Today a lady in SE Oklahoma called me, and says she just picked up quite > a few things at a local vo-tech auction. [snip] > 3) Some type of Commodore suitcase portable???? That is a Commodore SX 64, a portable (read 'luggable') 64 with built-in 5" color monitor and 1541 disk drive. Quite a handy unit.... :) 001010010010001010100101010100100100100101010101011100101001 From: "Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Mac development > I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still > like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get > Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop? > I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an > IDE? Well there ia also a great BASIC for the Mac, Future BASIC, by Staz Software, It can run under system 6 with 1 meg of RAM and has the runtime modules to make such things as applications, cdevs, inits, etc. Supports probably all the system functions in Inside Macintosh... (lists most of em too). Good documentation (large manuals), help on the internet, and can make good commercial quality stuff... It is still hell though, alot of memory management, but it is for a good reason. New, it is about $200.00, but worth it if you want to do some serious programming. Back then (SE times) it was probably Think C, which I belive is now owned by Symantec.. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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PDP-8/Es available

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:45 AM 1/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >> Ahh, that sucks! My parents have control of my money again, so I'd never get away with spending >> $50 on old computers... (They're trying to discourage me from playing with >> computers, and being about as subtle as a jackhammer...) > >I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 now >but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to get me >to stop playing with computers because my dad thought they were a FAD >(hahahahahahahahahahaa) and my mom thought it was unhealthy for me to >hide in the basement all the time like some brain-damaged monster. My mom once told me that computers were a tool of the devil. >Tell your parents that today I have a college degree, have been out on my >own working productively since I was 20 (with VERY little external >support), earn twice the median income in my state, started a successful I dropped out of college -- I was too busy working to finish. (Actually, I'm only 1 beginning Cobol class away from a 2-year degree.) I've been an independant consultant for not quite 8 years; I went indy when I was 24. About 5 years ago, I bought my parents house (long story; they'd been "renting" for 20-odd years) so they wouldn't lose it. My mom passed away 2 years ago (last Saturday 8^( ) and I moved back home shortly thereafter to care for my dad. I spent about 3 years driving them to work and home when my dad was no longer able to take pubtrans; I was able to do that because my clients didn't mind when I worked, so long as I worked for them. Now I'm working >from home 3 days a week so I can be with my dad more. Meanwhile, my older brother (who my folks put through UC Berkeley (BS - Economic Geography) and Golden Gate University (MBA)) once shouted in the middle of a crowded plaza that he wanted nothing to do with my father (and didn't want him attending his concert) because he *smelled bad*. With my dad standing right there. My younger brother (who my folks put through SF State (BA - Speech Communications)) can't be bothered to visit or call his dad -- he's too busy hanging out with friends and going to church. Last time he visited, he stole my CB. The elder of my two sisters, (UC Berkeley, Math, flunked out) is happy being a secretary and, again, isn't interested enough to call or visit. (My younger sister, (Johnson & Wales, Equine Business), lives at home too, and helps out an amazing amount. She's single, btw.) So, the moral is, your parents should either encourage you to be a computer nerd, or a horse nut. >My parents realize their mistake now...my father tearfully gave me his >gold retirement watch, which I accepted reluctantly, to show how proud >he is of me. My parents are happy with me and I'm happy with myself all >thanks to my tinkering all those years in the basement. My mom, too, came to realize that me and my computers were a good thing (in spite of the fact that not all those "computer club meetings" involved more than one person of each sex...). Let me just add that I don't hire "micro-weenies". That is, if a person doesn't understand that Pentium II *isn't* called that because the Pentium was the first computer, I'm not interested in working with them. There are tons of jobs out there right now for CoBOL programmers (btw, if you want a job as a CoBOL programmer, you better darn well know who Grace Hopper was!). And solid programming, database, and operations skills will *never* go out of style, and they're a lot easier to pick up in the older/bigger computer world. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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PDP8/E

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

My point was that people are not around to work at computers, which is a pretty useless activity in the scheme of things. What is really disturbing to me is that there are people, some my age, who would turn down a chance to interact with a person, versus a computer. AND they use Windows 95 or MacOS! The internet may become a problem psychologically soon. But this is all way off subject, so I have two questions: a)What is a DECstation 312? Is it just a clone? b)I heard that there was an 8088-based machine called an apricot, that had a GUI, voice recognition,etc.(according to the Machine Room). Is it what I think it is, or was it a piece of junk? Either way, how much would the portable go for? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Mac development

by bwit＠pobox.com

Max, I live near a consignment hardware/software store that usually has all of the things you're looking for at very reasonable prices. I've seen the Inside Mac series there for $15-$25. On occasion they have the Apple C development environment but they always have older copies of Think C (V4.0 thru V6.0) for about $15. They are willing to accept credit card phone orders and will ship to you. You can view their web site at: http://www.intex.net/software-etc/ If you are looking for something you don't see listed on the web site I'd suggest you give them a call as the web site only seems to list a small portion of what they have. Regards, Bob ---------- From: Max Eskin[SMTP:maxeskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 6:43 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Mac development I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop? I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an IDE? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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PDP-8/Es available

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:07 PM 1/21/98 -0800, you wrote: >>I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 now >>but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to get me >Well, I AM 17, and I'm up to 30 computers or so... Let me see if I can >remember them all, my web site is a partial listing. One other item that was pointed out to me in the collectibles forum of Compuserve -- teenagers who collect things rarely get into trouble. You don't see them spending money on drugs or liquor or whathaveyou, and they don't often end up in jail. (Yes, I'm an exception, but I wasn't actively collecting anything in high school.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Mac development

by TOwad＠aol.com

>I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still >like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get >Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop? >I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an >IDE? My favorite is the now discontinued Think Pascal. You should be able to find it used for under $100. Apple used to sell a compilation of tools called 'Macintosh Programmer's Workshop', but from what i understand it was never that impressive. If you're just want to play around Chipmunk BASIC can be had as freeware. I saw the complete set of Inside Macintosh on CD-ROM at Border's Bookstore for $99. I recall hearing you can download individual chapters from the books via Apple's web site, but I can't confirm that. Sincerely, Tom Owad

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Mac development

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop? I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an IDE? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Mac development

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

>I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still >like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get >Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop? >I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an >IDE? As far as I know, Inside Macintosh just keeps expanding, adding new books as new stuff comes along. For a Mac SE, just don't get the later books. Check around at used book stores. IM is also available on CD-ROM. As for what to use, try to dig up old software, there's Lightspeed Pascal(aka THINK Pascal), Microsoft Basic, I think Microsoft also had something for C on the older Macs. If you just want to go D/L something of the net, there are a lot of shareware/freeware programs out there that run on older Macs. You just have to look a little harder... As for Apple, I know they had something, I just don't remember what it was. -JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/

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PDP-8/Es available

by william＠ans.net

Many of you may remember a small haul of Digital PDP-8/e minicomputers that Jim Willing had sniffed out. Well, things have changed a bit... It turns out there are _five_ systems in six racks (one processor may have missing parts), with all sorts of extra stuff (EAE, RX02s, expansion boxes, boatloads of core, etc.). Jim is getting one system, and I am getting another, still another is probably spoken for, but rest are up for grabs. The price? $200 gets you as much of a system as you want - CPU only, or an entire rack. In addition, Jim and I will need some help moving the stuff (located in Charleston, West Virginia), mostly in the money department. I may need to drive down to get the stuff in a rental truck (we take it all, or we take none, thus we will need a truck) next week, or, as a back up plan, Jim will look into shipping the stuff with a freight company. To be fair, I must warn anyone that their share of initial shipping (getting them to one of my storage locations) may be over $50. I can store the stuff, either in Easton, PA (#2 storage locker), Providence, RI (RCS/RI), or perhaps the new house just above New York City. I will be packing and shipping Jim's stuff (he does not need a rack, he says), and could probably do the same for any other parties. PDP-8/e CPUs weigh about 90 pounds. I have lots of experience packing 90 pound boxes for cross country trips (90 pound HFDF receivers, not one even scratched). I would need shipping money and perhaps something for my efforts, but not much. In other words, I can make deracked PDP-8/es available to just about anyone in the U.S.. Anyway, do we have any interested parties? Remember, PDP-8s are not that common anymore, especially ones with EAE (extended arithmetic element)! Also, would anyone want to put in some time actually helping me unload (they will help load)? A full system might weigh 500 pounds, and I really do not look forward to unloading them by myself! Please let me know as soon as possible, as the clock is ticking. William Donzelli william(a)ans.net

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toner cleaning

by engine＠chac.org

>What's the best way to clean out toner fluid from laser printers(or in my >case a photcopier)? There's toner all over the inside, and it needs a lot >of cleaning, but I don't want to destroy it trying to clean everything. You must be very careful! The easiest way to do this is with a soft brush and a vacuum cleaner, but because some varieties of toner are explosive, you have to use a vacuum cleaner with a sparkless motor. Special ones are made and sold for this purpose but they ain't cheap -- I don't know if you could rent one. Years ago at my last office job, a reload toner cart came apart and left toner all over the inside of a Laserjet IID. We wanted to call HP service but the skinflint boss insisted we clean it up ourselves. The receptionist went at it with a garden-variety hand vac which shot a six-inch flame out the exhaust, ruined the vac motor and scorched the wall. I didn't see the flame but I sure saw the burn on the wall. /kc

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RL02s in dumpster

by jfoust＠threedee.com

The other day I saw two RL02s in a dumpster outside the UW-Madison surplus center. I didn't have anything to connect them to, and they were a bit dinged. What sort of platter is inside them? Should I go disassemble them to get the big platters to hang on the wall? - John

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PDP-11 available in New Zealand

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Subject: DEC PDP 11 Computer From: Tim Armstrong <Tim.Armstrong(a)vuw.ac.nz> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:08:37 +1300 Message-ID: <34C809B5.11DF40B(a)vuw.ac.nz> Organization: Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand Newsgroups: nz.comp We are closing down a system which used a DEC PDP11. As parts for these rather old machines are getting a bit hard to get would anyone out there be interested in this piece of hardware. -- Tim Armstrong, Maintenance Manager Victoria University of Wellington PO Box 600, Wellington, New Zealand phone (04) 495 5073, Fax (04) 495 5242 <http://www.vuw.ac.nz>

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HP 2250

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > Got this from a friend of mine: > > I've never heard of an HP2250 either, but according to the 1983 HP > catalog, the HP2250A is a "Measurement and Control Processor." It's > designed to work with the HP1000 and HP9800 computers via an HP-IB [snip] 1983 is probably about right -- it's not in the 1980 or 1981 Measurement/Computation catalogs. Instead there is something called a 2240A that seems to be about the same idea. Hmm. I guess I don't quite understand how this is substantially different from a 6940B or 6942A Multiprogrammer, but then I haven't worked with any of them. Well, the 694xs get a few more pages in the catalogs, look like they might have a wider range of I/O cards, and I gather the 6940B may be what you needed to resort to for faster-than-HP-IB communications with the controlling host processor (it can use a 16-bit parallel interface). Joe, did you tell me (in private mail) that this thing was mounted in a rack? There's a picture in the 1981 catalog of something called a System 9030 that looks like a desk-height rack with woodgrain top and wheels, and the accompanying paragraph of text: "The HP 2240 can be installed in a roll-around cabinet with plug connectors for portable use. Adding a controller (HP 9825, 9835, or 9845) and available exercising software, the preconfigured combination is called the HP System 9030. Contact your local HP office for information about specific ordering constraints." The picture has what I'd guess to be a 9835A sitting on the woodgrain top, presumably looking like the expected controller. If the 2250A is anything like the 2240A, it's a smallish 19" rack-mountable box, maybe 12" tall. Meaning that about half the System 9030 rack is taken up with something else, maybe the "plug connectors" mentioned above? -Frank McConnell

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Kaypro Question

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

Could someone (briefly) describe the differences between a Kaypro II and a Kayro 2 (2X ?) Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com

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I don't think these are RX02s...

by rector＠christcom.net

> WPS/78 V3.4 (No communications) > WPS/78 V3.1F > WPS-v3 WPS SYSTEM< > > Anyone know what these are? > ------- > - don ------------- Back in college, they used to teach word processing on our VAX 11/750. The word processor they used was called WPS - could this be a variant of that?

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MFM drives

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

as I was going through my parts today, i decided to test some 5 old mfm controller cards I was given by someone at work. it turns out that 5 mfm hard drives i have have gone "bad" again (they worked previously), and all 5 controller cards have failed. it seems the only drive combination i have that works is a kalok drive, and a full size adaptec controller card that came in the 286 im testing all these in. over the past year, i betcha i've bought and thrown away almost 40 bad controller cards! the drives i know worked before, so i can just call debug and low level them again. ive already tried cabling combinations, jumper and bios settings, swapping known good parts out, and so forth. has anyone else had a fantastic failure rate with mfm controller cards? seems like i have better luck with reviving hard drives. incidentally, would anyone know what the proper jumper settings would be for an 8bit mfm controller card? one is a WD1002-27X and the other is a WD1002A-WX1. they are similar in appearance, but minor changes in chip layout and jumper settings. both these cards won't init a good hard drive. david

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Heads Up! TWO VAXen need rescue!

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Found on Usenet. Please direct responses to the original author. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Path: Supernews70!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.he.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.122.253.92!newsfeed.nyu.edu!rockyd!notes From: Stuart Cohnen <cohnen(a)rockvax.rockefeller.edu> Subject: VAX 4000-200 for Sale, Cheap! X-Nntp-Posting-Host: shalom.rockefeller.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <34C779A4.BB5D2884(a)rockvax.rockefeller.edu> Sender: notes(a)rockyd.rockefeller.edu (News Administrator) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Rockefeller University Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:53:56 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) Lines: 22 Xref: Supernews70 comp.os.vms:183086 We have retired a VAX 4000-200 with 64 Megs and the following DSSI disks RF74 (3.5G), RF31 (350M), RF73 (2G) and 2- RF72 (2G). In addition, we have a SCSI controller and a Exabyte 8000 with 10 tape stacker. Yes and more, a 1600bpi 2 Kennedy Tape Drive (one is a spare, not on-line). Included is DECNET and VMS licenses. This machine has been under DEC maintanence. Make me an offer -- you pay shipping or pick it up here in New York City. Also, anyone want to take away an 11/750? I even have the Field Service schematics! Contact me: Stuart Cohnen The Rockefeller University cohnen(a)mail.rockefeller.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin2 {at} wiz<ards> d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

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HP 2250

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Got this from a friend of mine: I've never heard of an HP2250 either, but according to the 1983 HP catalog, the HP2250A is a "Measurement and Control Processor." It's designed to work with the HP1000 and HP9800 computers via an HP-IB interface, and accommodates a series of plug-in cards for measurement functions (like multiplexers, A/D converters, counters, relay cards, etc.). It has "a built-in LSI microprocessor and MCL/50 firmware, a software command set comprised of over 100 applications oriented mnemonic commands that can be used in many combinations to optimize measurement and control operations." Apparently, you program it using the host computer, then set it loose on its own to gather data and control devices. Interesting... Joe

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DEC tapes & 24,000 lbs of old computers

by engine＠chac.org

>>(OK, maybe not the HP, because I do not know what a 2250 is - it might >>be really special). > > It just might be. Even Frank doesn't know what it is! It's a piece of test gear that hooks to an HP 1000. Early eighties. /kc

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DEC tapes & 24,000 lbs of old computers

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 05:25 PM 1/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >> No PCs in this lot, it's all mainframe >> computer stuff. > >Well, minis...anyway, the only things really special here are the S/32 (if >it is an IBM) I didn't see a name only the model number that I gave you "system 32 /2750". I don't think there could have been too many companies that used that model number. and the Honeywell. The other things really are very common >(OK, maybe not the HP, because I do not know what a 2250 is - it might >be really special). It just might be. Even Frank doesn't know what it is! > >William Donzelli >william(a)ans.net > Joe >

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DEC tapes

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi, I found some more DEC stuff. A bunch of tapes this time. Can anyone tell me what these are for and if they're usefull as they are or should I just use them as scratch tapes for another system. These are original DEC tapes with DEC software. HSC SOFTWARE V3.9 SYS TU58 HSC SOFTWARE V3.9A UTL TU58 HSC SOFTWARE V4.0 UTL TU58 HSC SOFTWARE V4.0 SYS TU58 HSC SOFTWARE V4.1 UTL TU58 HSC SOFTWARE V4.1 SYS TU58 MATNET TIU May 9,1983 MATNET SIMP VER 6.2:6 APRIL 8, 1983 BLANK TU58 (Is this just a blank tape?) Here's a strange one. It appears to be a diagnostics tape but I don't know what system it's for. Can anyone identify it? one tape marked: “C/30 imp+diag 64K” PN 4604263G01 10 64IMP 100 CCT4 300 MEMTEST 400 NIMPTS 500 NIMP4H 600 MTI-UTEST 610 MTI-MTEST 620 MTI-HTEST Thanks, Joe

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toner cleaning

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

What's the best way to clean out toner fluid from laser printers(or in my case a photcopier)? There's toner all over the inside, and it needs a lot of cleaning, but I don't want to destroy it trying to clean everything. TIA -JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/

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DEC tapes & 24,000 lbs of old computers

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

David, The condition covers the whole range. Some of it is on pallets and covered with plastic and card board and look fine. Other items look like they stuck a forklift fork into them. I recall the Honeywell is on top of some HP 7925 disk drives and looks fine, I had to climb to get to it. I only saw one Honeywell but there's 2-3-4 of most of the others. Of course everything is piled up so there's no telling what's underneath. Some of the cabinets or the other stuff are dented but they look like there was no damage done. It's sitting outside now but it doesn't look like it's been there long. (No rust). I expect that half of it is still functional and the other half could be used for parts. This stuff is INCREDIBLE! It's a stack about 7 to 8 foot wide and at least forty feet long! Some of it is piled 7 foot high! I didn't have anything to write with when I looked at it, so these are only the items that I remember, there's LOTS more. I'd only interested in the smaller HP stuff. There are a bunch of HP 7888 system expanders, 98985 and 9885 disks drive and various interfaces. BTW what is the HP 2250? I don't think I've ever heard of it. Joe At 02:50 PM 1/22/98 +0000, you wrote: >Joe, > >Hmm, this might be worth renting a truck and driving down there. Any >more info on the condition of any of this? I'd be interested in VAX, >DEC or HP equipment but don't have time/money/space for it if the >equipment has been "chopped up" beyond repair. It would be neat to >have a Honeywell Level 6 (if it is what I remember) but REALLY don't >have the space for one. Let me know if you have any more details on >any of this stuff as it would sway me one way or the other. > >Thanks. > >David > > On 22 Jan 98 at 15:28, Joe wrote: >> BTW I found a HUGE pile of computer stuff today at a NASA >> auction. >> >>>>> 24,000 pounds <<<<<< of old computers including HP 2250, >> somebodies system 32/2750, Vax 631, DEC RA 60(s), PDP 11/84, VAX >> 6310, Honeywell Level 6 and lots more! No PCs in this lot, it's all >> mainframe computer stuff. Most of it is in dumpsters and some of it >> looks fine, other parts looks like they were opened with an axe! >> If anyone knows what any of this stuff is or if it's worth anything >> let me know. If you're interested in it send me an E-mail. I have >> a couple of days to send in a bid. *****IF**** enough people are >> interested in it and are willing to actually spent some money for it >> (and not expect me to buy it and give it to them) then I will put in >> a bid for it. The stuff is located near Kennedy space center in >> Florida and you'll have to make arrangements to get the stuff before >> Feb. 12. I **DO NOT** have the man power, time, vehicles or storage >> to move or keep it. This stuff is listed as scrap so it will be >> CHEAP!! probably around 12 cents per pound. >> >> Joe >> >> >----- >David Williams - Computer Packrat >dlw(a)neosoft.com >http://www.neosoft.com/~dlw >

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Macs Pluses

by TOwad＠aol.com

Hi Joe, Haven't heard from you. Did you ever find any Macs other than Pluses? Were you able to get system software? LMK. Sincerely, Tom

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I don't think these are RX02s...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

These are some 8" disks which I was told are RX02 disks, but they aren't. I can't read them. And some of the labels sound funny... Z80 ASSEMBLER MANUAL Z80 INTERPRETER MANUAL PART 1 OF CDC PASCAL MANUAL PART 2 OF CDC PASCAL MANUAL WPS/78 V3.4 (No communications) WPS/78 V3.1F One labled "SA100 DISKETTE" WPS-v3 WPS SYSTEM< Anyone know what these are? -------

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Does anyone else here have a Fuzzball running?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I can't make Fuzzball start. It dies. You just load it like a normal RT-11 executable, right? I made a bos1.sav for my configuration, and when I start it, it halts at 2434. Is that a special address or something? I'm trying to load it on the 23+ at school. I have an 11/23+, MSCP, RX02s, 2Megabytes of RAM, and a DLV-11J. -------

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LNW Research computer

by weese＠mind.net

Gary: You have posted to a discussion group. Your friend meant to give you my personal e-mail address (weese(a)mind.net), I think. (I believe you are writing to me, as I haven't seen LNW stuff mentioned in the last month by anybody else on this group.) I'll write this both to the group, to clarify, & to you personally. ---mikey ---------- > From: Gary <glm(a)afweb.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: LNW Research computer > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 5:45 PM > > A friend gave me your e-mail address. If you are the person that had the > LNW computer parts and manuals for sale, please send e-mail to > glm(a)afweb.com. I have one and the expansion board is defective. I need > schematics to fix it. Thanks a bunch if you can help. > > Gary >

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Mac IIci, was [Re: The IBM PS/2 model 70 again! -E61]

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:20 PM 1/7/98 +0000, you wrote: >I agree. I just finished looking at the info as provided by apple's >site. So I will leave this IIcx alone. I thought of putting linux >on that when linux version get to full version release for that 68k >type. A IIcx for C$25 isn't that bad, assuming it has a decent size hard drive (80mb+) and some ram (4mb+). If it comes with a keyboard and mouse as well, and/or video card, you're doing pretty good. I would definitely pick one up at that price for Rachel's classroom. (The IIci is a little nicer, but a IIcx is very acceptable.) Note, if anyone (especially in the SF bay area) comes across mac stuff cheap that they're not interested in (especially monitors!) I'm always looking to get more computers into her classroom. (In case I haven't mentioned her before, my girlfriend (Rachel) is a 1st grade teacher in Daly City. We've put 10 or 11 macs in her school (8 in her class) so far, mostly based on my scrounging (or buying) parts and refurbing them.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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How does microcode work??

by rcini＠email.msn.com

I know that this is a little off-topic, but here it goes. I'm reading the book "The Soul of a New Machine", a book about the development of DG's Eclipse minicomputers (great book, BTW). In there, they talk about a "microcoder," one who is responsible for developing the microcode for the processor. Inutitively I know what microcode is. I think of it as hard-coded ROM for the instruction fetch unit of the microprocessor. Since I haven't been formally schooled in computer science or microprocessor design, I'd like to understand (in 500 words or less <g>) how microcode works, i.e., how is it implemented and how does the microprocessor access it. I know that this is probably a topic that is worthy of volumes of paper, but the Reader's Digest version will do! Thanks. Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

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Kaypro's Available

by SjsPeak＠aol.com

I'm looking for a Kaypro II. Can you help?

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LNW Research computer

by glm＠afweb.com

A friend gave me your e-mail address. If you are the person that had the LNW computer parts and manuals for sale, please send e-mail to glm(a)afweb.com. I have one and the expansion board is defective. I need schematics to fix it. Thanks a bunch if you can help. Gary

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I now have a PDP-11/40 printset.

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

This should make for some interesting reading... I just says "PDP-11/40 system engineering drawings". The dates on the schematics inside say 09/22/72. Oh! This also includes the terminal? I guess this IS the "system" schematic... I was told that when you bought a PDP-10 that DEC included the operator's chair... and that the schematics for it came in the printset. I wonder what the part number would be for a PDP-10 console chair... Is this bull? Did they REALLY include the chair? -------

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PDP-8/Es available-another story.

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I'm 30 now, started playing with a Bell+howell apple][ in junior high school. Bought my first computer, a Timex Sinclair 1500 in 82, my freshman year in H.S. Everyone thought I was a big weenie and I was never socially accepted. in 85 I finally got an XT, I wanted an Apple][ but they were going by the wayside so I decided to get the XT scrictly based on software availability. I was a manager at Pizza Hut, things were looking grim for my future, I couldn't afford to go to college and was married. Then I got sick of all this and joined the Coast Guard, went to MST School in Virginia for the Coast Guard, 30% of MST's are system managers of some sort. I thought I might get lucky, I did, I scored a 99% on the computer section of the course and was made System Administrator of the 4th floor of Coast Guard Headquarters in Washington DC. I then got out of after my tour, I now collect older systems as a hobby, im way past 40 systems now, I have no idea how many I have, my new wife , hehe, another long story, tolerates it, and Im a network engineer for the Dept of Labor. I owe all this to Sir Clive Sinclair and my mom for encouraging my interest. I make about 43k a year, own my own home, not too bad for 30 and not a day in college. Good luck, and don't give up. Bill Girnius ---------- > From: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: PDP-8/Es available > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:45 AM > > > > > Ahh, that sucks! My parents have control of my money again, so I'd never get away with spending > > $50 on old computers... (They're trying to discourage me from playing with > > computers, and being about as subtle as a jackhammer...) > > I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 now > but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to get me > to stop playing with computers because my dad thought they were a FAD > (hahahahahahahahahahaa) and my mom thought it was unhealthy for me to > hide in the basement all the time like some brain-damaged monster. > > Tell your parents that today I have a college degree, have been out on my > own working productively since I was 20 (with VERY little external > support), earn twice the median income in my state, started a successful > business, own my own home, am married and honoring my parents by living > an upstanding and productive life. Playing with computers all those > years created that for me. And playing with OLD computers made me > self-reliant enough that in the last 9 years I've been unemployed a total > of about a week. > > My parents realize their mistake now...my father tearfully gave me his > gold retirement watch, which I accepted reluctantly, to show how proud > he is of me. My parents are happy with me and I'm happy with myself all > thanks to my tinkering all those years in the basement. > > > it'd be meeting the trashcan in a hurry. But if I tell them I got it free, > > they may not care. My parents (Esp. my stepdad) have a thing for tossing > > whatever I have that they don't like [Like my copy of Sailor Moon manga #13]) > > My brother tossed out a perfectly good 11/34a, some RL02s, a DecWriter > and a Franklin Ace 1200 from my parents' basement because he wanted a > weight room and my stuff was in the way. Pretty self-righteous of him > considering *I'M* not the one who's 42 and still living WITH mom and dad! > > BUT I'M NOT BITTER!!! =-D > > (Isn't it odd that if you get it free, they'll let you keep but if you > spent money on it they want to throw it away?) > > When I was 18 I waited until my folks were gone to move an 11/23 and two > RL02s downstairs to my bedroom. I made sure it was all racked up before > they got home...so it'd look too big and heavy for them to carry outside. > =-) I LOVED that machine! I put it behind the door sort of...so that > you could only open the door about 18"...kept my mom out of my room. =) > > Anthony Clifton - Wirehead

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