- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

> >> The problem is that I can't tell how to attach another ribbon to the >> LCD, and the circuit board end is surface mount soldered. Ideas? I suppose that you only need to find the cable that's broken and just jump that one, rather than replacing the whole lot. You may even be able to find the break, scratch off whatever coating is around the metal conductor, and solder across the break (Ok, so it never worked with Sinclair keyboard ribbons, but it might be possible here :) cheers Jules

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Tektronix XD88 Unix box - help/info needed

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

Hi all, I was given a Tektronix XD88/10 machine a few years ago that has sadly been sitting around gathering dust in the hope that I'd be able to find sufficient info/parts to fix it at some point - maybe someone on this list can help... When I got the machine I just had the main unit, and (amazingly, seeing how only a few of these seem to ever have been built) got hold of a keyboard for it. I haven't got the original monitor, but a Sun 16" display seems to work well enough. The disk was on its way out when I got hold of the machine, and from what I remember wouldn't even boot to single user mode last time I tried it. It's a 300MB Imprimis (Seagate) SCSI-1, so finding an exact or similar replacement shouldn't be too much trouble. The problem is the OS software - I don't have the tapes, and Tektronix stopped supporting the XD88's a few years ago (I heard from one guy in Australia who got an XD88 from a sale without OS, and Tektronix Aus. gave him the tapes for free which was rather nice - they took the line that they should be part of the machine anyway!) Second problem is mouse - the keyboard has a 9-pin *female* port on it for a mouse - anyone know pin-outs, what protocol was needed etc? Other than those two minor details, it works fine :) When I first got it it did boot to some sort of semi-working state; I seem to remember that the ethernet was working on it (I never tried the tape drive, I have a spare in case the one in it is broken though) Thanks for any help though, about time I got this thing going again!!! (Could still be a useful machine actually, it's got 16MB of main memory on it and 2MB for graphics memory) cheers, Jules

28 years

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Franklin ACE 500

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

Hi, I just acquired a Franklin ACE 500, unfortunately it came without the power supply. Does anyone have info on the power connector and requirements. Thanks Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://home.att.net/~francois.auradon

28 years

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Your www site

by dwollmann＠ibmhelp.com

>Date: 25 Mar 98 20:46:29 -0800 >Subject: Re: Your www site >From: "Steve Wozniak" <steve(a)woz.org> >To: "David Wollmann" <dwollmann(a)ibmhelp.com> >X-Mailer: Cyberdog/2.0 > >Dear Woz, > >Several on the Classic Computers mailing list have been asking about >you. >Someone listed your web site (http://www.woz.org/) and it looks to be >off >line. > >Wanna say hello to the list and tell them what you're up to these >days? The >scuttlebutt has it that you're teaching, we'd love to hear about it. > >Thanks > >-- >David Wollmann | >dwollmann(a)ibmhelp.com | Support for legacy IBM products. >DST ibmhelp.com Technical Support | Data, document and file conversion >for IBM >http://www.ibmhelp.com/ | legacy file and media formats. > > > >That is the correct web site. Or http://woz.org or http://woz.com or >http://www.woz.com. Even a few more will work. Just type "woz" into >Netscape or Internet Explorer and they try adding "www" ond ".com". > >Steve >_________________________________ >Here's to the crazy ones. >The misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers. >The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things >differently. >They're not fond of rules, and they have no respect for the status >quo. >You can quote them. Disagree with them. Glorify or vilify them. >About the only thing you can't do is ignore them, because they change >things. >They push the human race forward. >And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. >Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the >world? >Are the ones who do. >_________________________________ > Steve Wozniak > 16400 Blackberry Hill Road > Los Gatos CA 95032 USA > 408.888.8889 408.354.8999 FAX >_________________________________ > www.woz.org steve(a)woz.org >_________________________________ >PGP Footprint 1D70 FF77 3046 B814 7420 4CB4 7DE4 535F 148C 6F43 > > > > -- David Wollmann | dwollmann(a)ibmhelp.com | Support for legacy IBM products. DST ibmhelp.com Technical Support | Data, document and file conversion for IBM http://www.ibmhelp.com/ | legacy file and media formats.

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Early computer serial numbers??

by archive＠navix.net

Greets: Here's a question for you all: how does early serial numbers on classic machines effect their relative value to collectors. Here's an instance: I recently acquired five (5) old TRS-80 Model III computers. They are numbered in the following way: 0000365 0000474 0000475 0000477 0000510 Yeh, and two, almost three are numbered in succession... how often does that happen. Plus, those particular machines came from two different states, and the successive machines were also split up by 900 miles!! How often does that happen? Anyway, for a TRS-80 collector, or classic computer collectors in general... how does these early numbers effect their value to potential collectors of these machines. I've heard of someone (I think) that had a very early numbered CoCo (less than 10?), but haven't heard much else. Any more of you have stories like this that I mentioned above? Thanks, CORD COSLOR -- ___________________________________________________ | Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net |\ | Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | | |---------------------------------------------------| | | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/4395 | | |---------------------------------------------------| | | PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421 - (402) 872- 3272 | | |___________________________________________________| | \____________________________________________________\|

28 years

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S/36 info

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

What size disks does the IBM S/36 use and is this the same machine you refer to as a "System 36"?? I may have a whole batch of books and disks coming to me in the very near future and am curious if they may be of any value to anyone out in "pooter land". -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ ICQ # 1714857 * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years

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What ever happened to Woz?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Tried it with IE4. Tried it with Netscape 4.04. Tried it with Mosaic 2.11... any ideas? -----Original Message----- From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 5:34 AM Subject: Re: What ever happened to Woz? > > > > > > > >Lynx worked fine too. Suggestive? >>>I tried that before. I get the following error: >>>The requested item could not be loaded by the proxy. >>> >>>Remote server closed connection. >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >>- >> >> >>I can't get in with MSIE, but Netscape worked. Have you tried to >Netscape? >> >> -- Kirk >> >> >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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What ever happened to Woz?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Ok... there's this technicial genius, he makes what very well may be the two key foundations necessary for IBM to make a PC for Compaq to clone it, for Unix to serve it, to make the Internet to share it... BUT WHAT THE ^*%@ HAPPENED TO HIM? I've got a faint notation that he got involved in Be, what ever that is. It seems like an OS, I remember hearing that it was getting ported to Intel platforms... what happend to him? Why isn't he like... at Apple, where he belongs doing innovation? Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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CLASSICCMP digest 364

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: Re: SID chips Message-ID: <m0yHXT4-000Iy8C@p850ug1> Content-Type: text > > Hi! > > I have a question re. the Commodore 64c - what was the number of the SID > chip? I assuem that the C64c had one, but the most likely chip was > numbered 8580R5, whereas I was expecting a 6581 or 6582. The 64c was a cost-reduced version of the 64 where many chips were integrated into larger ones, they also re-vamped the SID chip which takes a different voltage then the original SID and has 'fixes' whaich makes some earlier programs sound worse (there was a 'click' you get when adjusting the volume control, and it was used for digitized sounds, the new sid fixed this click, now no digitized sounds in some progs. I dunno the 64c SID number but I think that (8580) may be it... :/ I think the 6582 was in the 128 or 128D... -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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CLASSICCMP digest 363

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: John Rollins <rexstout(a)ptld.uswest.net> Subject: Mac II problem >Here's the message I just sent to ClassicMacs mailing list, I'm too lazy to >type it all again ;-) ============================= >Just picked up a Mac II 5/80/two 800k FD's for $15(including a datatronics >keyboard and an Apple mouse), with an ethernet card that everyone seemedd >to think was a second video card... Good price. Though I myself would never have THAT much desk space available... [snip]! > Finally the normal >System Folder icon is back and it boots again. I launch the hacked HD SC >Setup and it sees a disk at SCSI ID 6(I haven't changed that yet, I need to >take the HD out and find the info on it), but it can't reformat. It says it >can't prepare the disk for initialization, no particular reason is given... >Current config right now is 5/80 with the two 800k drives, and the Radius >Pivot interface. Any ideas? I'm stumped. Most likely the hard drive is a non-Apple drive (i.e. a Quantum or whatever without the special Apple ROM). Apple rigged it's drive setups to only format identifiable Apple HDs. If this is the case there are two options: 1. Locate a 3rd party drive utility like FWB HD Toolkit which works with most SCSI drives, there are a couple on the net but no gaurantees... 2. Check web for the sites that have the patches to the HD Setup progs. to format a non-apple drive anyway. (they are out there, and some are harder than others to do.) I went this route on my external drive, it works great. Here is the site I had found: http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/scsi.html -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years

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Early computer serial numbers??

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

>>0000474 >>0000475 >>0000477 > >I can see some additional value of the two consecutive, if kept together, >now all you need is 476 :^) This reminds me of a recent ad of a gent looking for his old (70s) HP calculator, which he had lost years back - he had the serial number and was advertising for THAT PARTICULAR UNIT. Now *that* would be an amazing find! Cheers A

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Early computer serial numbers??

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Yeh, and two, almost three are numbered in succession... how often does <that happen. Plus, those particular machines came from two different <states, and the successive machines were also split up by 900 miles!! <How often does that happen? Early on they were allocated one per store! Also Board part number 1700069A was the first production model, the 1700069D was second and later the 1700069G. The A version required a fair amount of green wire from the factory to make it work. Below 10 and the first are of interest more than the nth copy unless that happend to be the last copy. Allison

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Early computer serial numbers??

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

>Anyway, for a TRS-80 collector, or classic computer collectors in >general... how does these early numbers effect their value to potential >collectors of these machines. I've heard of someone (I think) that had a >very early numbered CoCo (less than 10?), but haven't heard much else. >Any more of you have stories like this that I mentioned above? My favourite subject! I have Mattel Aquarius II computers serial #8, #10, #68 I have it's colour printer serial #2 I think early serial #s are very collectible, myself. YOu can see all my serial #s for the Aquarius items at http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/weird/aquarius.html Cheers A

28 years

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What ever happened to Woz?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Lynx worked fine too. Suggestive? >>I tried that before. I get the following error: >>The requested item could not be loaded by the proxy. >> >>Remote server closed connection. >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > > >I can't get in with MSIE, but Netscape worked. Have you tried to Netscape? > > -- Kirk > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years

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What ever happened to Woz?

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

>I tried that before. I get the following error: >The requested item could not be loaded by the proxy. > >Remote server closed connection. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - I can't get in with MSIE, but Netscape worked. Have you tried to Netscape? -- Kirk

28 years

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Serial Eprom?

by jpero＠cgo.wave.ca

Hi guys! I have a need to burn new versions for a Always IN-2K scsi card using Xlinx chipset. Currently aspi driver is ingoring the card because the serial eprom containing firmware is old. I have new verions sitting on my HD along with new bios for the 27C256 chip. If you have one chip to sell and have equipment to burn that serial chip, that would be great! I can supply the 27C256-200ns or if you have one rated at 150ns for a price, burn it also. The serial Eprom is: AMD, am1736, DC, 031YEWH (date code?) The bios is 27C256 at 150ns. Thanks! This card also is nearing 10 years so there! Jason D. email: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca Pero, Jason D.

28 years

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TI calculator display

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

The problem is that I can't tell how to attach another ribbon to the LCD, and the circuit board end is surface mount soldered. Ideas? >Chances are rather strong that there is a broken conductor in that >cable that makes intermittent contact, since you mention that a >consistent block of the display is flaky. _Might_ be a solder joint >on a chip, but those flat folded cables break often. The cable >might even be loose in the connector if you're lucky. >-- >Ward Griffiths >Dylan: How many years must some people exist, > before they're allowed to be free? >WDG3rd: If they "must" exist until they're "allowed", > they'll never be free. > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years

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Mikbug info?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>From very nearly the first day I bumped into a computer, I've <been finding sporadic references to MIKBUG, an early monitor <ROM for 6800 machines. For instance, most of the older 6800 <monitor ROMs (SWTBUG, SMARTBUG, others?) claim preserve MIKBUG <But I've never seen one, or any any real documentation for <one. Can anybody out there help me find any of this stuff? <Of course I'd be happiest to find a binary image, source code, <and whatever docs originally came with it. But I'll take Same here. I have a M6800D1 and MIKBUG but no source listing. The function is a very simple program loader/debugger. What was interesting is the code was written so that routines like TTYin, TTYout, PRINTCHR and PRINTnum could be called from external programs. Saving some coding effort. Allison

28 years

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TI calculator display

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

A certain TI-85 (which I will try to fix, but is not mine) has a strange problem. The display does not display a strip of graphics. Everything else is fine, but about 20 rows just don't work. They DO work sometimes, but are then distorted. The LCD is connected to the board with a ridiculously long ribbon connector, folded several times, made out of thin plastic. Any ideas? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years

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System/34 again

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

NONE of those should be very high, since these are the wires going directly to the electronics. One has a label "+5v". I am pretty sure it's not dangerous at all. If you fry the system, you can take mine - I can't give you my hands if you blow them off, though.... >[Sys/34] >Looks... >Oh you mean the one by the "DANGER 480V" stickers? > >:) >ARE YOU NUTS!? > >Well, once I get the probe of my voltmeter fixed, I'll try it. >Any idea where I can stick probes w/o crisping myself? >------- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years

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Things seen

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<devices). Maybe if I can get my hands on an assembler, I'll finally <have a use for it! Keep looking as there was an assembler for disk (PEB, 32kram, rs232, floppy). I have a copy but not giving it away as I use it on my system >from time to time. The 9900 wasn't a bad cpu for the late 1970s timeframe (the 99/4a was later) but it was slow and the 99/4a was real slow. Allison

28 years

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Nintendo Stuff...

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Having spent over 10 years programming BOTH the NES and SNES, yet I know little about the hardware other than how to make it do stuff! That is; I know the registers, not the chips. I can confirm, however... NES = 6502 SNES = 65816 - the world's worst processor!!! Gameboy = Z80 There is a very good NES emulator ccalled Nesticle. Cheers A -----Original Message----- From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 4:59 AM Subject: Re: Nintendo Stuff... >Hotze wrote: > >> Hi. I've got a few questions, some are on topic, some arn't. >> 1) How do you get into the case of a NES? (Origional Nintendo, 8 bit) >> What's inside? (Other than the 6502) >> 2) What about SNES? >> 3) Gameboy? >> 4) (Off-topic) what processor does the Virtual Boy use? What kind of stuff? >> Emulators avaible? How do I transfer ROMS? > >Is anyone aware that on the original Nintendo that if you have problems where it >won't recognize the game cartridge you can call the 1-800 number on the game and >talk to them about getting a one time replacement, as long as you tell them >you'll repair the game and that you're the owner, not a repair shop? They'll >also want the game's serial number to track whether it's been sent a replacement >already. They know the original is crap and that they'll make a few $$$ doing >overhauls on machines made defective by their own penny pinching. If you insist >on buying the connector, MCM Electronics has the connectors for around $9. > >As for getting into the case, remove the outer screws, lift the lid, take off >the shield, slide the connector off and slip the new one on, and install the >shield and cover. No big deal. Some of the newer ones have security screws >though so get them out by drilling a small hole in them and use an "EZ OUT" to >revove the old screws, replace them with common screws of the same size. > >If anyone gets into this stuff regularly and needs security type bits, MCM has a >nice little set for around $12. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Russ Blakeman > RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 > Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 > Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com > Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ > ICQ # 1714857 > * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >

28 years

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What ever happened to Woz?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I tried that before. I get the following error: The requested item could not be loaded by the proxy. Remote server closed connection. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- So, anyone...? Ciao, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Seth J. Morabito <sethm(a)loomcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 11:12 PM Subject: Re: What ever happened to Woz? >> >> Ok... there's this technicial genius, he makes what very well may be the two >> key foundations necessary for IBM to make a PC for Compaq to clone it, for >> Unix to serve it, to make the Internet to share it... BUT WHAT THE ^*%@ >> HAPPENED TO HIM? >> I've got a faint notation that he got involved in Be, what ever that is. >> It seems like an OS, I remember hearing that it was getting ported to Intel >> platforms... what happend to him? Why isn't he like... at Apple, where he >> belongs doing innovation? >> Thanks, > >All your questions, and more, can be answered at: > >http://www.woz.org/ (no kidding!) > >He's teaching 5th grade now. He's doing what every great person who >achieves tremendous wealth should, in my humble opinion, be doing: Giving >up the crazy game and going off to enjoy life :) More power to him. > >BTW, _definitely_ not on-topic and I apologize for that, but Be is >indeed an OS company, and it's gaining quite a following, although I >don't believe Wozniak has ever had anything to do with them. You may >be thinking of the CEO, Jean-Louis Gassee, who was an... "interesting" >figure at Apple for quite some time. More answers can be had at >http://www.be.com/ (amazingly enough). > >-Seth (Be Developer #3048)

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Mikbug info?

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

28 years

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card reading

by jfoust＠threedee.com

David Wollmann <dwollmann(a)ibmhelp.com> wrote: >I'm working with >Hollerith cards on my system right now with an optical card scanner. Data >storage capacity measured by bytes/pound anyone? Can you tell us more about what you're doing? Is this a commercial card reader, or something you built yourself? I was daydreaming the other day about reading punched cards using a flatbed scanner. Software to "read" them could be quite simple, and could easily adapt to the various card geometries. Or you could even make a reader from a feed-roller and an old hand-held scanner. I find using today's gizmos to rescue yesterday's data quite interesting... - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years

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Things seen

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Today was a good day at the thrift store- could you folks tell me fair prices for the following (as well as any requests) 2 Apple GS programs w/all docs and boxes. Anyone want? A Zenith eaZy PC, a 286 easily mistakable for a dumb terminal. It's cool but priced $30 A TI 99/4A - how much should I pay and what processor does it use An ISA card claiming on its box to be a UPS - if it's still there, I will take it tomorrow ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years

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Nintendo Stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hi. I've got a few questions, some are on topic, some arn't. 1) How do you get into the case of a NES? (Origional Nintendo, 8 bit) What's inside? (Other than the 6502) 2) What about SNES? 3) Gameboy? 4) (Off-topic) what processor does the Virtual Boy use? What kind of stuff? Emulators avaible? How do I transfer ROMS? Thanks again, Tim D. Hotze

28 years

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Irreverence to irrelevance

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: >BTW, how are you getting on with that ASR-33? Need any more help? I can >look up details for you, and attempt to describe the bits in question. I found someone who was willing to xerox the service manual for me at cost, approximately USD $4-8. Someone else wanted to sell me the set for $20. Being a "millionaire cheapskate", I took the former, assuming the latter would still be there if I needed it. :-) Along the same line, if anyone has a spare current-loop to RS-232 adapter that would cost less than a new one, I'd love to get it. I believe my Terak handles 20 ma, but I'd rather have a more generic link from the ASR-33 to other computers. >I was half -joking, don't worry. If I seriously considered that the ASR33 >was off-topic, do you think I'd type up and post sections from the repair >manuals? I very much appreciated that. Above and beyond the call of duty. I joined the "Greenkeys" mailing list, a ham radio RTTY list. I described my web page regarding old ASCII art, and one fellow sent me a box of 30-40 year-old RTTY ASCII art - pictures of President Eisenhower, etc. Some is printed, some is Baudot 5-level tape, some 7-bit tape. >Yes, that definition is very wide. It would allow mechanical >calculators and things like that (anybody got strong views on keeping >these off the list?). As a teen, I remember disassembling a Freiden (?) calculator, and finding a wire loop memory, several circles about a foot in diameter. But the calculator collectors have their own lists, don't they? - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

28 years

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Time/Date stamper

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 20, 17:02, Max Eskin wrote: > Subject: Time/Date stamper > I recently picked up a time/date stamper from the trash. It is a > box with a slot, and when a paper is inserted, the paper is stamped. > The first year on the stamping drum is 1951, so I assume that's when > it was made. It uses a cloth ribbon for ink. How do I reink it? The stuff that's used to re-ink dot-matrix printer ribbons will probably do. What colour was the original? A lot of these used blue. If you have a good stationary supplier nearby, the stuff to ask for is "endorsing ink" which is what's used to re-ink endorsing-stamp (rubber-stamp) pads. Or use WD-40 to extract whatever life is left in the original, if it's dried up rather than exhausted. But go easy, don't add too much, and let it soak in for a while. > Also, the stamping has impressed the numbers into the rubber platen. How > do I get rid of that? When I ran litho printing presses (in a former life) we used a solvent called MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) to undo "blanket smashes" -- dents in the rubber offset blanket caused by crumpled paper under high pressure. It's also used to give the blanket an occasional extra-good clean. MEK is also used in the plastics industry as a solvent and to glue PVC and ABS. It shouldn't be too hard to find. Caution: it's very inflammable, it dissolves or at least attacks several types of plastic, removes ink as soon as you look at it, and also removes the natural oils from your skin, so don't wash you hands in it :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

28 years

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More on setting-up Sun3 from tape

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Well, I resolved the tape drive access problem on my Sun3 workstation. Although no other device on the SCSI chain is terminated, the Sun3 does not like the DD50 passive terminator that I have on the end of the chain; it will only access the drives on the chain without it. Anyway, I can now load the tape boot image and start the mini-kernel. Really, the question that I have today is related to the "edlabel" partitioning program. Although the following results from using edlabel, the question is more about disk partitioning in Unix. The drive is a 330mb SCSI hard drive with the following geometry: 512 bytes/sect, 32 sect/trk, 15 trk/cyl, 1254 cyl (as reported; maybe should be 1408 cyls?). Running edlabel reports the following: start c/t/s blks c/t/s type a(root) 0 0/0/0 29297 61/00/17 4.2BSD /* 15mb boot b(swap) 0 0/0/0 0 0/0/0 swap /* swap (would like this to be ~10mb) c(disk) 0 0/0/0 601920 1254/0/0 unused /* disk d(user) 0 0/0/0 0 0/0/0 unused /* user I can create the root partition (and write it to the disk as shown above) with no problem, but I cannot create the swap and user partitions. I get the following error: "ioctl DIOCWDINFO: invalid argument". This is the first Unix drive that I'm setting-up in a non-automated fashion; can anyone give me the benefits of their experience in doing this?? Thanks! Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

28 years

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drive info needed

by allisonp＠world.std.com

I have a WD93028A disk I know the geometry but the interface is apparently IDE. It's currently attached to a 8bit ISA card (also from WDC) and I'm curious about it. What I need to know is what flavor of IDE it is (it may be 8bit) and its pinouts. Allison

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System/34 again

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

OK, I moved the System into a room where there is light and power. There are no 220V plugs, though. So, I have 2 choices: a)Step-up transformer - how much would 110-220 1700 watts min. cost? b)Using a bunch of PC power supplies to power the DC components. My first problem is how I trick a PC/AT power supply to stay on when it's not hooked up to anything. Do I need to short something? Next is the problem of pinouts on the 34. There is ground and +5v labelled clearly. THere is also a circuit board with lots of screw terminals. Could someone tell me the voltages on those (it's a board right below the CE panel and a bit on the right)? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years

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HP 82143A Peripheral Printer

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

I picked up an "HP 82143A Peripheral Printer" a little while ago. It physically resembles the "HP 82162A Printer/Plotter" that is pictured, attached to an HP-75, in a little book entitled "Computer in Your Pocket" which reviews several early pocket and notebook computers. Will the 82143A (the one I have) plug into an HP-75? Will it work with anything else? What kind of battery does it take? Power connector? Pinout of the 12-pin connector? The printer still has a small roll of paper in it (about 2.25" wide) and I wouldn't mind finding out if the thing still works. I got it at a Salvation Army store, and there was no sign of whatever it had been attached to. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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Silicon Graphics Power Series machines available (Chicago)

by eric＠fudge.uchicago.edu

My department is getting ready to scrap two Silicon Graphics Power Series computers. They are both quite dead (parts from the one were used to keep the other going until there were no more reliable CPU boards left) and have been stripped of some parts, but it may be possible to bring them back to life by some magic, or at least to get some use out of the 19" racks and power supplies. If you have any interest in these, please let me know as soon as possible before they are thrown away. They are large and heavy and you will have to pick them up from the campus of the University of Chicago. Eric

28 years

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Hey, just a minute (Re: "First" key system?)

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 10:29 23/03/98 -0800, Bruce wrote: > Sam, speaking as an ex-telco person, I can say with confidence that the >Horizon was far from being the first "key" system. That honor goes to the >original electromechanical 1A system, which was introduced in the late >50's/early 60's. > Thus endeth key system history 101. We now return to normal topical stuff. Hey, hold on a minute: How many people are in this list also collecting CLASSIC TELEPHONY??? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE ? ? AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY ? ? Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL.No.* ? ? where*=asterisk key | help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html ? ? e-mail=chemif(a)mbox.queen.it ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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drive info needed

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

According to my ancient HD reference textfile, there's a 93028-A and -AD. The -AD is an IDE drive and the -A is an ST506 RLL drive. Specs are identical, 19.86 MB, 69ms, 3.5" HH, 2/782/26 geometry. Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: allisonp(a)world.std.com [SMTP:allisonp@world.std.com] > Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 2:04 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: drive info needed > > I have a WD93028A disk I know the geometry but the interface is > apparently IDE. It's currently attached to a 8bit ISA card (also from > WDC) and I'm curious about it. > > What I need to know is what flavor of IDE it is (it may be 8bit) > and its pinouts. > > > Allison

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KAYPRO

by donm＠cts.com

Hello Charles, I have taken the liberty of posting my reply to the classic computer mailing list as one of the readers may be interested. Good luck! - don ==================== On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Charles Almind wrote: > Dear Don, > I am trying to sell a Kaypro 1 '84 with lots of software, the Z-system, > 20 Meg HD, 1200 Baud modem and a free Epson > PX-8 laptop thrown in for good measure. Do you know anyone interested? > I paid $200 for it and would like > to get that if at all possible. Can you help me out? > Thanks > Charlie Almind > calmind(a)algorithms.com > > donm(a)cts.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology. Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) - 619-454-8412 *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Weg site at http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm with Mirror at http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm

28 years

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Tuning 8" floppies

by dwollmann＠ibmhelp.com

I have a MicroTech ReformaTTer unit with two 8" NEC floppies attached to a PC with the MicroTech FDC. Both drives seemed to be in need of a tune-up (head alignment, in particular) when I installed the unit, and now (this is four yrs. later) I can only read diskettes with one drive, the other just gives me "sector not found" errors. Is it practical for me (me = board swapper) to try to align the heads on these drives manually by trial and error? Is there still a source for the disk required to do it the right way? I have access to a scope if I need one. -- David Wollmann dwollmann(a)ibmhelp.com

28 years

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'SIMPLE' (was:Arrrgh! Micro$h*t again.../old basics)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> :Simple yes, useful? <If you've only got 512B of RAM, or a 256B PROM, then yes :-) <> <>there have been a few tiny languages built over the years. there was <>SIMPLE (and can someone describle it here please?) I just dug out one I have that is in the same frams. BASEX, it falls between basic and asm. Fast, small, integer. Allison

28 years

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GPIB + disk drives

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Doug, I saw Tony's reply and responded to it before seeing this one. I thought you had an HP drive but since it's a GRID drive I can't say what kind of format or command set it uses. At 06:54 PM 3/22/98 -0600, you wrote: >I could use a quick tutorial on GPIB as it applies to computer device >interfacing. > >I want to read an external hard disk that belongs to a GRiD w/a GPIB >interface. I recently picked up at National Instruments GPIB-PC-II card, >found the drivers on their web site, and stuck the thing in my Toshiba >T5200 (a nice little box that should hit classic status some time soon). > >The card and low-level drivers seem to work great, but I can't find any >higher-level drivers that know how to talk to this drive (or any drive, >for that matter). Do drives that talk GPIB all talk the same way? If so, >any idea where I might be able to find an MS-DOS driver that sits on top >of the GPIB driver I've installed? Many PC type HP-IB drivers assign the HP-IB interface as a COM or LPT port and are used to drive plotters only, not disk drives. > >Should I give up on this approach and simply pull the drive out of the box >and see if I can talk to it with an MFM controller? It's a 10MB 5.25" >drive from around 1982, so I'm assuming it's a Seagate. You could try, I have no idea if it would work. I have one of the HP kits with the HP-IB card and software that can be installed on a MS-DOS PC to operate some of their disk and tape drives. Email me if you want to borrow it and try to connect your drive with it. Joe > >-- Doug > > >

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"First" key system?

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Sam Ismail typed out... >I have an AT&T Horizon phone system (circa late 70s) which is significant >in the history of telephone systems as it was the first "key" system. It <reaminder snipped> Sam, speaking as an ex-telco person, I can say with confidence that the Horizon was far from being the first "key" system. That honor goes to the original electromechanical 1A system, which was introduced in the late 50's/early 60's. During the early-to-mid 60's, the 1A1 was introduced. It had several improvements over the 1A, mainly in reduced size, weight, and complexity. In the later 60's, the venerable 1A2 key system components were introduced. They endured well into the early 90's, and are still in use in various incarnations to this day (I have a 1A2 system here in the house). The Horizon system fits neatly into the category of 'hybrid' systems. It could, dependent on programming, become either an electronic key system or a small PABX, incorporating the best features of both. Thus endeth key system history 101. We now return to normal topical stuff. ;-) BTW, if you ever want to look for a good home for that Horizon... ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years

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CMOS Battery for PC/AT

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Typically the CMOS battery voltage runs from 3.6V to 6.8, either should do okay (in my experience). Try Fedco @ 1-800-542-9761 or Battery Biz @ 1-800-848-6782. Marty Mintzell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: CMOS Battery for PC/AT Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 3/23/98 1:11 PM At 09:57 AM 3/23/98 -0800, you wrote: >I picked up an original PC/AT that has a dead lithium battery for the >CMOS bios parameter storage. The battery says it's 6.8 volts. It's the >kind that is a 1/2x1x2 inch pack with a six-inch lead. > >I've tried several places to find a replacement, but either a store >doesn't have it, or, if they have one, the voltage is not exactly 6.8 >volts. > >Thanks, >Dave > This battery should still be fairly common. You should be able to pick one up from Radio Shack. I don't think the voltage has to be exactly 6.8. The package should list compatability, if not there should be a listing in the store with a P/N xref. -- David Wollmann dwollmann(a)ibmhelp.com ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Mar23.131139.1767.33482; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:11:40 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id KAA19694; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:04:45 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id KAA38068 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:04:39 -0800 Received: from mail2.webzone.net (mail2.webzone.net [205.219.23.7]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id KAA23690 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:04:38 -0800 Received: from fish.bigass.bogus ([208.137.187.34]) by mail2.webzone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id AAA213 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:03:55 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980323120244.00850450(a)pop3.webzone.net> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:02:44 -0600 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: David Wollmann <dwollmann(a)ibmhelp.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: CMOS Battery for PC/AT In-Reply-To: <3516A298.3E049E98(a)halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: dwollmann(a)pop3.webzone.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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No subject

by Galiber＠worldnet.att.net

I am looking for a plastic model computer made in the early seventies.

28 years

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Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 22, 16:18, Don Maslin wrote: > Subject: Re: Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232 > On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > Usually there's a set of jumpers, or sometimes a small DIL switch pack, > > which select one of four disk addresses. They may be labelled DS0, DS1, > > DS2, DS3 or > > perhaps D1, D2, D3, D4. D0=A and D1=B. You just need to switch the jumper > > settings. Even if they're not labeled, you should find that all but one of > > the jumpers (the drive select jumper) in one drive match the jumpers in the > > other drive (of the ame pair). > > Unfortunately, Pete, very few of the full high floppy drive makers were > considerate enough to mark them that way. That pretty much came about > when they went to Berg jumpers for selection. I dunno, I've got a few full-height CDC and Tandon drives that are marked. But, yes, sadly a lot of drives aren't, which is why I suggested comparing each drive of a pair -- hopefully they're the same model. > > If you open up the drive case and tell us what the make and model number of > > the actual drive mechanism is, someone can probably tell you the jumper > > settings and whether the drive is 40/80 or SS/DS. Well, maybe. :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Imsai case/mb

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Found this on Classifieds 2000... In light of recent sales, might be a good deal. IMSAI S-100 crate, $300/OBO, Used IMSAI S-100 crate with power supply and terminated mother board. For sale by private party Los Osos, California - All other areas 93402 --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

28 years

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Arrrgh! Micro$h*t again.../old basics

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-03-17 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :<the 8080 c.1977 which was a non-trivial self-contained interactive :<interpreter, in 256 bytes including space for your own UART drivers. :Simple yes, useful? there have been a few tiny languages built over the years. there was SIMPLE (and can someone describle it here please?); WADUZITDO, which looked like a tiny PILOT and also fit into 256 bytes; FALSE, a 1k compiler for a Forth-like language on the Amiga; BRAINFUCK, a 256-byte compiler for a very simple language indeed, also on the Amiga; and several versions of Forth and Basic which could fit inside 4k. of course, the capabilities of the forth would probably rather outweigh those of the basic... ;> -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

28 years

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Aquarius hardware/software list!

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

I've compiled a list of known hardware and software for the Mattel / Radofin Aquarius and Aquarius II computers. Please let me know if you know of anything more, or if (*gasp*) I've made an error somewhere! http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/weird/aquarius.html Cheers A

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Kaypro: 81-149C vs. 81-232

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 23, 5:18, Doug Spence wrote: > On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > I don't know much about Kaypros, but is it possible that one of the sets of > > drives is 40-track and the other is 80-track? > > I don't know enough about Kaypros myself to answer this one. > > > Or that one set is single-sided and the other is double-sided? > > Both machines have single-sided drives. And the boot disk I'm using is > definitely single-sided, because I duplicated it using TeleDisk with side > 0 only, and the copy boots up and runs WordStar just fine. > > > When you start up the machine and it tries to boot, does a light come on, > > on the disk drive (which would indicate that the drive is being accessed)? > > Yes. The light for drive A comes on, and the motors for both drives come > on. > > I get the same response out of the machine whether I use the Kaypro boot > disk or an MS-DOS disk. But it is paying enough attention that it > immediately tells me "I cannot read your diskette" when I insert a > cleaning disk. :) [which makes cleaning a bit difficult] > > Also, just for the hell of it (and it's probably a Bad Thing(tm)) I nudged > the head forward when the machine was off, to see if it would move when > power was applied. And it did move back to its usual position. Well, if the ones that don't boot do move the heads, and the light comes on, sounds like the machine can "see" them and make them respond, but just can't read the data. It's still possible they're faulty, but if they're all single-sided, my guess is that one pair is 40-track and the other is 80-track. However, if this were the case, I'd expect that the boot would go partway (the drive would probably read track 0 OK, but not any other). > > Usually there's a set of jumpers, or sometimes a small DIL switch pack, > I'm afraid it's not that easy. I did pull out the flashlight and take > some good close looks inside the drives tonight, though, and I think I > know how it determines the drive number now. > > At the back of the main circuit board, just in front of where the ribbon > cable connects to it, there is a 14-pin chip with a label "1F" beside it. > In drive A, there is an empty 16-pin socket beside it, with "2F" written > on the circuit board beside it. Drive B has something IN this socket - a > BLUE 16-pin chip. That is almost certainly a terminator resistor pack, and doesn't affect the drive selection. Whichever drive is whichever number, that pack belongs in the last drive on the chain. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Drive crash

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Chances are your drive just needs the head cleaned and to be speed calibrated. There are many documents on the web on how to speed calibrate your drive, but if you need more assistance, I do these drives all the time. Just let me know. -----Original Message----- From: CharlesII(a)nwonline.net <CharlesII(a)nwonline.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 3:14 PM Subject: Drive crash >My Atari 1050 disk drive crashed. When I try to boot a disk from it I >get beep boot error beep beep boot error etc. I think I remember >somthing about the beeps being a message when a boot error happens if so >could somone tell me what it means and how to fix it since I don't see >anything physicaly worng with the drive on the inside.

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Kaypro: 81-146A vs. 81-232

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

I finally opened up my Kaypros today to see if I could get the '2' working. The II and the 2 seem to be almost identical inside, with two notable differences: One of the ROMs has a different number on it, and my Kaypro II has some wires soldered between pins on one of its chips. The Kaypro II has a chip with a sticker marked "81-146A", with the "A" stamped on in read ink. The Kaypro 2 has a chip with "81-232" on it, in the same location. What are the differences? The chips at position U87 on both motherboards are marked DM74LS390N, but the one in the Kaypro II has been messed with. It's a 16-pin chip, and pin 1 has been bent upward and a wire soldered onto it, which leads to pin 6. Pin 9 is missing. Pins 12 and 15 are attached with a wire. Is this normal for a Kaypro II, or has someone made a modification? Anyway, I managed to make a copy of the WordStar disk that came in the drive of the II today, using my Amiga 1000, A1060 SideCar, A1020 5.25" floppy drive, and TeleDisk. So now I have a disk that boots reliably instead of 1 out of every 5-10 times. That meant that I now know there's something wrong with the Kaypro 2, because it won't boot at all with the new disk. Before, it may have just been a borderline disk that was causing the problem. So (tell me if this was a bad/dangerous thing to do) I opened both machines up and attached them to each others' disk drives. They were plugged into a power bar, so I powered them up simultaneously with that. The Kaypro 2 boot up with no problems, using the II's drives, and the II was incapable of booting using the 2's drives, so I've got the problem located to drive A of the Kaypro 2 now. And BTW, both the II and the 2 have full-height drives. Both keyboards have missing keys (including broken plungers). Will this be easy to fix? I'm thinking of fixing the 2, and using the II for parts, simply because I like the colour of the 2's green phosphor monitor better (and some other minor things). :) Is one model more rare than the other? IOW, does one warrant saving more than the other? If not, I'll go with my feeling and fix the 2 with parts from the II. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

28 years

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Hurry up and save this PET!

by mor＠crl.com

Note the short fuse this guy has! > Subject: Old computer stuff > From: rhutch(a)nbnet.nb.ca (Rod Hutchinson) > Date: 1997/03/22 > Message-ID: <3333f242.44219309(a)news.nbnet.nb.ca> > Newsgroups: nb.forsale > > I have some old hardware that if you find it interesting or require it > for some reason then it is yours, just drop by and pick it up. > > Commadore PET computer with printer > > Headstart 286 Motherboard > > and some old 16 bit I/O cards > > if you live in the Oromocto area you can call at 357 8612 > > we move on tues and anything left fills the landfill. > > -- mor(a)crl.com http://www.crl.com/~mor/

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Big pile o' junk^H^H^H^Htreasure... ;-)

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

Found this in another newsgroup; thought it might be of interest to some on this list. I have no connection whatsoever with this person. FWIW... >Macintosh II system. >8 Megs of Ram >80-to-120 meg HDD >Mouse >Keyboard (extended ) >Color Mac Monitor >2400 External Zoom Modem >Macintosh SE >4 Megs of Ram >20 Meg HDD >Keyboard >Mouse >Built-in 9 inch BW monitor >External Disk Drive >Hayes Smartmodem ( 2400 ) external >Okimate 20 color/bw thermal printer. >Atari 800XL Computer System >1020 printer with 2 carts >Tape Drive >Intro Tapes >All manuals and an extra programming book >Power supplies for every thing >Intellivison System >53 games >Intellivision ECS ( computer add-on ) >ECS computer keyboard >Manuals for the ECS >Manuals for some of the games >TI-99 4A computer system >RF-converter, no power cord >1 386 motherboard >1 486 motherboard with overdrive, built in floppy and IDE controllers >1 486 motherboard >Various Games on CD and Floppy >2 Video Seven video cards >1 Video Flex Card >Other Cards, some unknown >1 IBM 5150 computer >Quad board ( mem card ) >2400 bps modem >IBM keyboard >10 meg Plus Hard Card >Various other cards for this system. >Programs on 5.25 inch disks > >Will sell parts or whole systems or 450.00 + shipping for the whole package. >Some of this stuff is and will be worth money in a few years. > >Please Reply via e-mail >The Basement: Computer Org. >swolfe1(a)mindspring.com >or Call: 301-463-2812 > -Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf Simulator!)

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Hi!

by coble＠erols.com

Hi, Hi I was woundering how much is the Colecovision, and the Atari 5200 is w/shipping please. e-mail me back at coble(a)erols.com THANKS, -MATT

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Wargames

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

For one thing, this IS on topic, just as classic computer books. I only saw it now because I was born a year before its release, and left the USSR, where it was not available, in 1991. >I think this movie was out in early 80's I think because I saw it on >tape back in roughly '84. And I recalled that very well even I was >at tender age. :) > >Jason D. >email: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca >Pero, Jason D. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Wargames

by peacock＠simconv.com

Russ Blakeman wrote: > >> >I just saw Wargames; what an excellent movie! I encourage >> Look for another movie sometime, "Dr. Strangelove". The crazed > >Is it just me or have these movies been out and already been tossed in >the bargain rental area at the video stores? You guys need to get out >more ;-) And here I was trying to be on topic, considering only movies with computers more than 10 years old. Which reminds me, what was the computer in "Dr. Strangelove", the scene where Peter Sellers is the British officer in the computer room at the Alaska airbase? Was it an IBM 1401? (now this is real computer trivia) Jack Peacock

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Wanted: Apple ][ Card Info

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

OK. What exactly does a language card do? (Sorry, I'm new at this).. Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: SUPRDAVE <SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 4:47 AM Subject: Re: Wanted: Apple ][ Card Info >In a message dated 98-03-21 11:33:13 EST, you write: > ><< OK... could it allow for me to write in C? (Or any other languages in > particular) What are the chances of finding another 64K RAM upgrade to > boost it to the max 128KB? > Thanks again, >> > >there were certain 128k ram cards for the ][+ and similar but i dont think >programs could use the extra memory. early versions of appleworks could be >patched to use it and dos 3.3 could use the mem as a virtual disk. the pocket >rocket's memory cannot be upgraded.

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Wargames

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I just saw Wargames; what an excellent movie! I encourage everyone who hasn't seen it already to see it. I ask this question when seeing any technology-based movie; how much of the technology is actually possible? Who was Professor Falken in the movie based upon? Can a JOSHUA be built? Lastly, was there any meaning to the launch code CPE1704? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Just wondering

by peacock＠simconv.com

>I remember reading a Byte article that told how to build a computer that >used a variant of the Z80 by Hatichi (I think that's how you spell it). >The computer was about the size of a lunch box. Apparently I have misplaced >that particular issue an was wondering if any one had it and was willing to >tell me where I could find the printed circuit board and the boot disks or at >least send me the art work and the parts list for this particular beast. The part is a Hitachi 64180, an improved Z80. Zilog also makes a similar part, the Z180. I recall the article, It was from Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar series. I think his company sold the kits, MicroMint (?). The 64180 was a nice improvement, made it much easier to add DRAM to a Z80. The drawbacks were the odd pin spacing on the DIP (70 mil centers instead of 100) and a less than perfect fit to the newer Zilog peripherals like the SCC or CIO. I believe the Zilog version fixed up the signal problems with cascading interrupts and also added one more address line (to a full 1MB). Aside from the faster clock rates and built-in peripherals, the nicest feature of the '180s was the memory management. The CPU had an integrated memory management unit to extend the 64K address of a regular Z80 out to either 512K or 1M, using three bank-switched regions. I still have a homemade CP/M system using the 64180, 256K DRAM, 16KB EPROM, two CIOs, one SCC, a National 58167 clock calendar, and a WD MFM hard/floppy controller card. It runs CP/M V3 and used the MMU to access all of the 256K RAM. I built it before Ciarcia came out with his board, chances are I would have used his for the project instead of doing a custom card. I keep it running for sentimental value, it was the first card I ever designed (and got working) with dynamic RAMs. Jack Peacock

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Wanted: Apple ][ Card Info

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

>>pocket rocket is applied engineering's equivalent to apple's language card. >OK... could it allow for me to write in C? (Or any other languages in >particular) What are the chances of finding another 64K RAM upgrade to >boost it to the max 128KB? They were called "Language Cards" because you could switch between Applesoft and Integer Basic. It never had anything to do with any other programming language. If you want to program in C, try Hyper C from ground at ftp://liquefy.isca.uiowa.edu/8/ground/apple2/apple8/Languages/Hyperc -- Kirk

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Drive crash

by CharlesII＠nwonline.net

My Atari 1050 disk drive crashed. When I try to boot a disk from it I get beep boot error beep beep boot error etc. I think I remember somthing about the beeps being a message when a boot error happens if so could somone tell me what it means and how to fix it since I don't see anything physicaly worng with the drive on the inside.

28 years

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Epson "Homewriter" cart needed

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Need a cartridge based interface for an Epson "Homewriter 10" for Commodore - or any other machine they made a cartridge for the printer for. I have the manual for the Commie cart but no cartridge so the printer is kaput. It's essentially an LX-86 with a modification to make it accept cartridges for an interface in place of the serial or parallel inputs. The Centronics connector isn't even there although the board could accept it but one of the main chips is removed to accept a plug in connector for the "CATI" board. If anyone has this or even a good logic board for an LX-86 (maybe you have a printer with a dead printhead?) let me know and we'll work something out. I hate to have the thing lying around if it's not useable. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years

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Wanted: Apple ][ Card Info

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-03-22 08:10:20 EST, you write: << OK. What exactly does a language card do? (Sorry, I'm new at this).. >> the language card also gives a 48k apple ][+ 64k of memory which is required to run versions of prodos < v2.0 david

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HP cards-anyone?

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Ok, here's a group of cards made by Hewlett Packard that appear to be of a mini computer style.... The first three have the white extractor tabs on two corners (much like an HP 1000's cards do) and are 7.5" by 17" and have female header connectors on the bottom 17" edge. Here's each card: 1) p/n 07980-66503 and has three bios looking socketed chips in the upper left corner. These are numbered 88780-12122, -12222, -12322 and there's a crystal for 20mhz on board. My guess is it's a processor board? 2) p/n 07980-66534 and has a quick lock type ribbon cable socket on the top/left, two bios looking chips numbered 88780-12423 and-12523. this has a flat coin type battery next to the ribbon connector, a Motorola MC68000 and 12 mhz crystal below that. Isn't the 68000 part of the Mac computers? I have no guess on this one other than maybe an processor or emulator card. 3) p/n 07980-66531 and has two ribbon quick locks. One is the same as the last card but behind a steel shield plate. The other is similar to the one used on older floppy controllers. This one also only has two bottom connectors rather than three like the other two. The fourth appears to be an SCSI card. It's irregular in shape and has two 50 pin Centronics females as well as two 50 pin quick lock ribbon connectors, one next to the Cent's and one on the opposite side. There's a bios type chip with a label reading 88780-12618/U51 SCSI 6.62 and a strange type brown two pin poweer connector. It appears to be mounted by screws, not cage/slide mounted. It measures 11" x 6.25" and has a cutout of roughly 3.5 x 4.5 inches near the two prong brown power type connector. Ok...you people know more about the big hardware than me. It's been 5 years since I've even seen an HP 1000 mini (from when I used an ESTS station in the AF to test missiles) and it's all a blur. Anyone know what these are, what they're from, and a possible new home for them? I hate to throw away the heavy hardware since I know it's costly and in some cases scarce. If someone wants to make me an offer for the four I'm sure I'd take it. Remember, these look like they're good and are untested. Let's face it though, anytime you can get something HP without paying HP's price you're doing good. I'd especially take anything PC parts wise in trade for these if someone has something good they can spare. Make me an offer and we'll go from there. They WILL go to the dump at the end of March though. They weigh probably 5-6 lbs for all four, very light. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Mystery Board

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

I picked up a board at a Hamfest last summer, and I still don't know what the heck it is. It may not even be computer related - might come from a photocopier or something. :) The board measures about 7.75" in length, and a little over 3" high. Its slot connector has 72 pins, measuring a bit more than 3.5" in length. It LOOKS like it could be RAM, but it's not like anything I've seen elsewhere. There are 16 long "plates" of what seems to be some kind of ceramic material, each with four chips embedded in them, two to each side. The "plates" measure over 2" in length, are notched at one end, and are marked "125B", "886-2". The chips that are embedded in the plates are marked "-607-2", with varying numbers beneath (e.g. "01386 34", "04836 77"). They appear to have 30 pins each, with 10 pins on each 'long' side and 5 pins at each end. All pins come out the bottom of the chips rather than the sides as on DIPs. There are some other chips on the board, three of which (20-pin) are labeled: AM2966PC WP90101L1 8546DMP There are seven 16-pin chips labeled: WE 63S 1 11085 74 And another 16-pin chip labeled: WE 63S 1 12685 77 There is a yellow bar-code sticker on one end of the board which reads "860C03900901". There's a stamp in the middle reading "ATP221". On the back side of the board is "844292540 AM 2 CM192B". I've probably gone overboard with the discription, but I don't know what info is relevant to identifying this thing. The guy I bought it from clearly didn't know what he was selling (but I asked anyway). I bought it with a bunch of old PC cards filled with old RAM chips I may need someday. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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Wargames

by peacock＠simconv.com

>I just saw Wargames; what an excellent movie! I encourage everyone who >hasn't seen it already to see it. > >I ask this question when seeing any technology-based movie; >how much of the technology is actually possible? Who was Professor >Falken in the movie based upon? Can a JOSHUA be built? > Look for another movie sometime, "Dr. Strangelove". The crazed nuclear scientist character in most all movies is based on Dr. Edward Teller, father of the US H-bomb (Sakharov produced the soviet H-bomb at the same time) and an influential advisor to Eisenhower. Teller is also the guy who convinced Reagan to go ahead with the "Star Wars" missle defense program (and if you think that "Star Wars" was a stupid idea that was cancelled, guess again, it is alive and well, just goes by other names these days). As for the rest of the movie, it was pure Hollywood. Secure facilities don't have unsecured phone line, and especially no incoming phone lines. BTW, the kid's computer was an IMSAI S-100, and the graphics (if I recall correctly) were generated by Godbout S-100 systems. Jack Peacock

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MacSnap SCSI, MacSnap memory

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

I've got a Mac 512K that came with two MacSnap devices installed in it. The MacSnap SCSI adapter plugs into the Mac's ROM sockets, and provides a 25-pin SCSI connector out the back of the Mac. The Mac seems to pay no attention to my Zip drive when it is attached to this connector, though, so I guess that it needs some kind of driver? Does anyone have this software? Also, the machine came with 512K on a MacSnap memory board. It looks like there's enough space for 1.5MB on the board. I had to remove the board to get the Mac to boot, however. Even the "Sad Mac" image was garbled with this thing in place. I think it is because two of the connectors are cracked. The MacSnap memory board actually snaps onto the top of existing chips on the motherboard, because there is no "normal" means of expanding the Mac 512K. Does anyone know if the 16-pin "snaps" are standard parts (i.e. AVAILABLE)? These are parts that fit over 16-pin DIPs, with metal contacts that push against the legs of the chips. What would be the proper name for these parts? There are four 20-pin "snaps" and two 16-pin "snaps" on the underside of the memory board, but it is only the 16-pin parts that are cracked. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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Z-80 Video Pak

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

I think I've asked this before, but it might be a different crowd out there now. Does anyone know the specs of the power supply needed to power the Z-80 Video Pak from Data 20 Corporation? This is a cartridge for the Commodore 64 that is supposed to allow the 64 to run CP/M, and gives it an 80-column text mode. Does anyone have a manual for this cartridge? The only info I have on it are from the text on the box, and from inspecting the cart itself. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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[Fwd: FS: C3210]

by hansp＠columbia.digiweb.com

FOund on usenet, reply directly to poster.... -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

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Fairchild FST-2?

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> After hearing about some of the cool things you folks find at thrift > stores, I decided to hit a couple today. I was pretty disappointed in the > slim pickings, but I found a couple of interesting but useless items: If you're referring in part to the HP-41 I mentioned last night, I went back today and it was gone. Sob. If any of you are in Oregon, though, it's probably worth your while to go to the Goodwill on Coburg Rd in Eugene. Frequently. Today, they had a Heathkit H19, a Kaypro 4, an AT&T 6300 PC, a couple of Laser 128s, a couple of CoCo 2s, stacks of C= stuff, a Sperry luggable XT, something that said Vector Graphics on it, and lots more. All priced at under $10, and today was 40% off day. That list only contains stuff that was still there when I left - I'm driving across the country tomorrow morning, so I'm under some space constraints. Normally, I'd offer to pick things up for people and ship them off, but like I said, I'm driving back to Iowa tomorrow. Eugene/Portland people on the list? -- Ben Coakley http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH Wow, this is global. -Mtn Goats

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TI terminal info needed

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

Need any info I can get on the TI Silent 700 Model 787 data terminal. I have one(in storage right now), and am talking to someone by email who has a 745 and 780. So if you have any info on any of those terminals, let me know. Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------- | http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers | | http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek | | orham(a)qth.net list admin call sign coming soon... | --------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 1 month

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Wow, am I gonna be busy!

by mor＠crl.com

Gone are three 486 clones that have been languishing in my garage for nearly a year. They were traded for: an Apple Lisa 2, an Osborne Executive, and a Northstar Horizon. The Lisa and Osborne have boot disks and other software, and so far seem to work well. I also got a Profile hard drive with the Lisa, but I haven't tried to hook it up yet... I haven't messed with the Horizon at all, but it looks to be in good shape, with CPU, ram, disk and i/o cards installed, along with a couple of diskettes in the drives that might boot it, not sure yet. I'll holler for help if this gives me trouble whenever I get to it, though I do have huge collection of manuals for it that I had picked up in anticipation of this day ;) Additionally, the guy I got all this stuff from tossed in about a dozen cartridges for the TI-99 and Coco3 that I didn't already have. Happy happy joy joy. -- mor(a)crl.com http://www.crl.com/~mor/

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Bulk erased SyQuest carts WAS: Re: DING DING!

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:04 PM 3/18/98 -0800, you wrote: >The SyJet is very nice, but runs VERY Hot. Mine is warm, but definitely not what I'd call hot. >guess would be the Publishing industry still uses them quite a bit since >it's usually in Mac catalogs and stores I see the carts for sale. Of About 10 years ago, I too invested heavily in 44mb Syquest carts. The reason I did, is because one of my clients at the time (a major graphics arts firm (logos for the Olympics, Microslut, etc.)) was buying them the way most high-tech companies buy diskettes: buy a couple of cases of them and put them on the shelf for employees to come and grab a handful. And they *used* them. All day long, and often all night too. The syquests were also very popular with the Atari ST crowd too. Somewhere around here (in *that* pile, I think) is an Atari branded cartridge. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Heinz Nixdorf

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"James Redin" <jredin(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > I've found that the ANITA from Sumlock Comptometer of England (1963) is > usually regarded as the first electronic calculator [1]. However, recently > I found an article about Heinz Nixdorf of Germany in the LEXICON's History > of Computing (CD-ROM) which indicates that he built several models of > electronic calculators back in 1954 (Models ES12 and ES24). At the risk of suggesting the obvious, have you contacted the Heinz Nixdorf Museumforum? They have a web site at http://www.hnf.de/ and one of the pages contains a list of contact addresses. However, you will either need to read German or have good luck with the translator at http://www.altavista.digital.com/ (which is of limited use on HNF's site because some of the text is embedded in images). -Frank McConnell

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Irreverence to irrelevance

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 04:14 AM 3/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Benjamin M Coakley wrote: > >> Speaking of which, there's an HP41C at a thrift store near me. Anyone >> want it? Is it at all interesting? > >It's only the best calculator ever made. Grab it quick, you won't regret >it. It's programmable, can be expanded with RAM and ROM cartridges, and >there's a whole bunch of cool little peripherals you can hook up to it. >And I think it even does arithmetic. Only Reverse Polish Arithmetic! :-) Joe

28 years, 1 month

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oddball find PS/2-50

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

all 80286 ps2 models ran at 10mhz. wait states differed. david In a message dated 98-03-21 13:42:20 EST, you write: << <Let me think... The 286 chip was available in 10MHz and 12MHz IIRC, mayb <another speed too. I can't remember which speed the 50/50Z was. The installed chips are 10mhz but that does not mean it ran that fast. <Don't you love the way the case comes apart, and that little tool <underneath the speaker to help take the rest of it apart? Defintley my They do come apart nice. But everything is oddball compared to the rest of my systems (s100, CPM and DEC based). Allison >>

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Personal Communications/3270

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-03-21 12:45:44 EST, you write: << Someone was throwing away a box of five shrinkwrapped ones like this. I grabbed one and opened it, the rest I gently obsucred but they might be gone. As I understand, this is an emulator for a 3270 terminal. Is it of any use to me without a System/370? Also, there was a box with four or five shrinkwrapped apckages of IBM DOS 3.30. Assuming anything is still there, does anyone want any of this? >> i might have something similar. i was given 5 shrinkwrap copies of ibm pc 3270 emulation program version 1.22 i opened one to see what it's like and the rest are upopened. not much use though. i wouldnt mind a never opened package of dos3.3 to add to my collection of never-used ibm software. david

28 years, 1 month

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oddball find PS/2-50

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-03-21 12:30:13 EST, you write: << Personally, I dislike PS/2s because they are almost impossible to upgrade due to the weird specs. But, there was a time when I would do almost anything for one. By the way, I found two weird systems at my school. One is the "Writing System" which looks like a PS/2, and we have a bunch of "Eduquest" systems, which are now all in the supply room. >> ps2 models arent really that hard to upgrade. the difficulty only comes when someone attempts to upgrade it way beyond its capabilites. certain 95xx models have used dx4/100 cpu also. eduquest systems are/were one piece mac-like systems designed for school use. proprietary design, but so easy to work on. some even had dos in rom. david

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Wanted: Apple ][ Card Info

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-03-21 11:33:13 EST, you write: << OK... could it allow for me to write in C? (Or any other languages in particular) What are the chances of finding another 64K RAM upgrade to boost it to the max 128KB? Thanks again, >> there were certain 128k ram cards for the ][+ and similar but i dont think programs could use the extra memory. early versions of appleworks could be patched to use it and dos 3.3 could use the mem as a virtual disk. the pocket rocket's memory cannot be upgraded.

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Calculators was Re: Delay lines

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 01:21 AM 3/21/98 -0600, you wrote: > >I know people collect calculators, but I just can't imagine how it can >bring the same kind of satisfaction as computer collecting. You can't >really hack a calculator. They don't lend themselves very well to >restoration efforts. They can't do many tricks. And few of them have any >sort of personality Have you ever tried a HP 41? How does up to 961 external devices of nearly every descrptions grab you? That's just one of the capabilities of the HP-41 using the HP-IL interface. I currently have a 41 running a HP logic analyzer! (OK, I'll admit that HP tries pretty hard in this >area). They did a good job too :-) > >Has anybody ventured a definition of computer that allows us to weed out >mere calculators? How about: > >* must be programmable >* must be general purpose >* must have alphanumeric input capabilites >* must have alphanumeric display capabilites The HP-41, 71, 75 and all the newer ones fit this description. > >Unfortunately, this would mean that an Altair isn't a computer until you >add a terminal, but it keeps those pesky HP-65's out of the group. > >-- Doug Joe

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[Regional - Bay Area] Computer History Talk

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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Delay lines

by jredin＠earthlink.net

I'm new to the list and missed the original posting about the Friden delay line. Can somebody forward to me the messages that have been crossed in regards to the Friden calculator or tell me where can I search for old postings? Thanks! James Redin ---------- > From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Delay lines > Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 11:27 PM > > > <Exactly. In the particular case of the Friden it was called a supersonic > <delay line, although I've never been sure why. > > acoustic delay lines, they propagate bits translated to mechanical > impulses at the speed of sound in a solid. The resulting delay is > long enough to use ans a shift register to store bits. > > Allison >

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C= 1084

by maynard＠jmg.com

Hmmm, The Goodwill pickings were bad. I only found one C128 and two 1571 drives, plus a 1084 composite monitor. The store manager wanted $25 for _each_ item ($100 total?? BAH!). The C128 had several broken keys, the Disk drives looked in pretty bad shape, so the only thing of interest was the monitor. I took it. I also got some cables: a TTL RGB cablefor the 128, A standard "monitor" cable and what looks to be a drive cable (hey, they were willing to bundle it in for me). So, the question is: can I use the 'split' composite cable for a C64 with an Atari 800? By 'split' I refer to split chroma and intensity signals... I know that the 1084 monitor can handle this, and I know that the Atari outputs this format just like a C=64, but I _don't_ know if the pinouts are the same between the two. Can anyone help? Thanks! J. Maynard Gelinas

28 years, 1 month

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Harvard Graphics 2.01

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Sorry to go on and on about PC stuff, but I do need help. I got a copy of Harvard Graphics 2.01 for DOS. I'm not sure if it was my fault or not, but I damaged Program Disk 1. Scandisk reports that cluster 0 is damaged and the disk cannot be fixed. I can view the directory of the disk (5.25"), but the files are inaccessible. Could someone either tell me how to fix this disk or send me another one? (diskimages would do_) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 1 month

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oddball find PS/2-50

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Let me think... The 286 chip was available in 10MHz and 12MHz IIRC, mayb <another speed too. I can't remember which speed the 50/50Z was. The installed chips are 10mhz but that does not mean it ran that fast. <Don't you love the way the case comes apart, and that little tool <underneath the speaker to help take the rest of it apart? Defintley my They do come apart nice. But everything is oddball compared to the rest of my systems (s100, CPM and DEC based). Allison

28 years, 1 month

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Heinz Nixdorf

by jredin＠earthlink.net

Hello Frank, > maybe the definitions of computer/calculator are not exact; the Mk8 is > stated as "first electronic desktop calculator" in > "Bueromaschinen-Kompass", an annual handbook giving an overview on the > market. > I guess, what quilifies the Anita is the fact that it used Nixie-tubes for > displaying the results. A book, written 1960, titled "Electronic > number-calculators" describes the display of results as the largest > problem, the author had no idea of a practical solution (but describes > every other technology used these days: core-Memory, delay-lines, tubes, > even diodes and transistors). > Regards, > Frank Boehm Yesterday I subscribed to a new list (Discussion re-collecting of classic computers) hoping to get more info on the Nixdorf machines. The first messages that came across were an ongoing discussion on the boundaries between calculators and computers. It was very interesting for me. One of the entries stated: "Granted, these points are primarily moot, for the definition of a computer as to be used on this list would need to be defined by Mr. Bill Whitson, the (still) owner of this list. >* must be programmable >* must be general purpose >* must have alphanumeric input capabilities >* must have alphanumeric display capabilities." Of course many current calculators would be considered computers under these terms, however, we need to consider the context or frame of reference for this definition. The list is oriented to "Classic computers" and therefore the boundaries are relevant to the early computer/calculator technology. On the other hand, the fact that the ANITA would qualify for the first electronic calculator because it was the first one with Nixie-tubes display is not very clear either. Remember that the first pocket calculator, the "Cal-Tech" from TI and its off-spring the Canon "Pocketronic" used a thermal printer to display the results. I would say that the terms above stated leads to a clear cut between Computers/Calculators. Now the real question should be: Does anybody know if the ES 12 and ES 24 electronic calculators developed by Nixdorf in 1953, were programmable and/or had alphanumeric input/display capabilities? Regards, James Redin http://www.dotpoint.com/xnumber

28 years, 1 month

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oddball find PS/2-50

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<The Family One, PS/1, PS/2, etc. Ref disks are available at: Each one has a refdisk with it. Allison

28 years, 1 month

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please ID this card! [correct URL this time]

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Pictures are worth 1000 words - my earlier text post didn't elicit any responses... maybe one of you can ID this board (or more particularly, the type of system) from the pictures. Two pics available; large and small. The connector shows the single "pin" on this side, and multiple separate pins on the reverse. http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/weird/boardbig.jpg [250K] http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/weird/boardsmall.jpg [95K] Betcha can't! A Apologies for the earlier post with the incorrect URL - don't you wish, sometimes, that you could send a chase-up email to kill your earlier one?!!

28 years, 1 month

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Personal Communications/3270

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Someone was throwing away a box of five shrinkwrapped ones like this. I grabbed one and opened it, the rest I gently obsucred but they might be gone. As I understand, this is an emulator for a 3270 terminal. Is it of any use to me without a System/370? Also, there was a box with four or five shrinkwrapped apckages of IBM DOS 3.30. Assuming anything is still there, does anyone want any of this? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 1 month

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oddball find PS/2-50

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Personally, I dislike PS/2s because they are almost impossible to upgrade due to the weird specs. But, there was a time when I would do almost anything for one. By the way, I found two weird systems at my school. One is the "Writing System" which looks like a PS/2, and we have a bunch of "Eduquest" systems, which are now all in the supply room. >they can serve as spares for the rest of my systems. That and I'm not >really into collecting PCs. > >Allison > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 1 month

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oddball find PS/2-50

by allisonp＠world.std.com

I was just aquired two PS/2 model 50s. Normally I don't collect older PC system but they are interesting.

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oddball find PS/2-50

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Depends. My 50Z has an ESDI drive(and IIRC they shipped with that, too), <but any PS/2 drive with that connetor should work. What it is is that IB <added an HD controller to the HD's main board, so that connector is an MC <interface. No the drive only has one board. That plugs into the board in the mca bus. looks like the drive has minimal electronics on it and the board in the mca is the edsi or mfm controller. <no FD/HD/RAM. I'm thinking of using one as a terminal or something, putti <in an ethernet card with a boot ROM or something wierd like that. The oth One has a ni card, single BNC so I suspect eithernet. Allison

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Delay lines

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>* must be programmable This would exclude many millions of MCUs based on chips like 8048, 8051, z80, I960, 80186/8, and several dozen more in embedded applications like engine control, navigation, aircraft flyby wire systems or even some calcs. This would include PDP-8s, pdp-11s and whatever else burried in CNCs, MRIs and transportation control systems. <>* must be general purpose In the above cases the computer or microcomputer is running a dedicated application from ROM or loaded from other media on power up. So they are not general purpose in that case. Would this eliminate the PDP-8s used by BART as computers? <>* must have alphanumeric input capabilites See above cases again consider the possible range of inputs. The input could be barcode reader, thermal or position sensors or off a network from other computers. <>* must have alphanumeric display capabilites Consider the above and the possible outputs. The result may be generating engine spark timing, alarm output, opening a cuircit breaker, notifying another computer. Calculators as differentiated from mechanical adders, differentiated from fixed program computers. The difference can be the application more so than implementation. I tend to look to see if there is control or branching on condition to see if we are talking calc, programmable calc or more general computer. BUT by doing that do we have to look at the user interface level or the internal implmentation level? Allison

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Wanted: Apple ][ Card Info

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

OK... could it allow for me to write in C? (Or any other languages in particular) What are the chances of finding another 64K RAM upgrade to boost it to the max 128KB? Thanks again, Tim D. Hotze >pocket rocket is applied engineering's equivalent to apple's language card. >it's very small, and doesnt require a cable to the motherboard like earlier >models did. > >david

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Just wondering

by CharlesII＠nwonline.net

I remember reading a Byte article that told how to build a computer that used a variant of the Z80 by Hatichi (I think that's how you spell it). The computer was about the size of a lunch box. Apparently I have misplaced that particular issue an was wondering if any one had it and was willing to tell me where I could find the printed circuit board and the boot disks or at least send me the art work and the parts list for this particular beast.

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oddball find PS/2-50

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-03-20 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :I was just aquired two PS/2 model 50s. Normally I don't collect :older PC system but they are interesting. hmm. that resolves one question - if you've asked this, allison, then we must be safe to ask something along the same lines... a few weeks ago now, we picked up an ncr 286 machine with colour monitor and wonderful keyboard. model number is not obvious, but the case is flat, about 2" high (the height of a half-height disk drive) and about the size of a small paving slab; internally, the machine is very odd, with a backplane architecture, two daughterboards mounted on two boards in that backplane, and *no* expansion capacity (no free slots). sayeth the computer that it is a "class 3278 model 0129" machine. our question: it says on boot-up that it is "running at low speed", which is 6MHz - how do we get it to run a high speed? there is a switch on the lower main board that does apparently nothing, and a jumper next to it. we can't get further into the machine as we don't have the screwdriver... (it looks like a philips' head, but the slots are too small. what do we need?) or is it software switched? -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

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please ID this card!

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Pictures are worth 1000 words - my earlier text post didn't elicit any responses... maybe one of you can ID this board (or more particularly, the type of system) from the pictures. Two pics available; large and small. The connector shows the single "pin" on this side, and multiple separate pins on the reverse. http://www.comcen.com.au/~weird/boardbig.jpg [250K] http://www.comcen.com.au/~weird/boardsmall.jpg [95K] Betcha can't! A

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Bill a TRS-80 fan? (Was More List Operation Stuff)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-03-19 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :Question: :Is Bill using a TRS-80 here? I think I see 64 cols per line :formatting, hmmmmmmmmmm........... or alternatively, he could have a block editor running under forth and be posting from there... ;> -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

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Irreverence to irrelevance

by COAKLEY＠AC.GRIN.EDU

> > But the calculator collectors have their own lists, don't they? > > True... I'm not thinking of spamming this list with pocket calculator > questions or anything like that. I'd just not object to the odd thread on > them, particularly if they were historically significant (the HP9100...), > technically interesting, or whatever. Speaking of which, there's an HP41C at a thrift store near me. Anyone want it? Is it at all interesting? (Sorry, Allison. I thought my last message was going to the list, and not to you privately.) -- Ben Coakley http://www.math.grin.edu/~coakley coakley(a)ac.grin.edu Station Manager, KDIC 88.5 FM CBEL: Xavier OH Wow, this is global. -Mtn Goats

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Amiga A1060 SideCar

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

I finally got around to archiving what ROMs I could find in my old SideCar, and I have a few questions. I know the comp.sys.amiga.hardware would probably be a better place to ask, but I'm going to ask here anyway. :) [The SideCar, for those that don't know, is basically an XT clone that attaches to the side of an Amiga 1000, whos display normally appears in a window or on a separate 'screen' on the Amiga display.] I didn't completely disassemble the SideCar, I only took the cover off and poked around a little. I got my SideCar 'third-hand' and never had the manual for it. I never played with the dip switches or jumpers in it. Does anyone know what all the dip switches are for? There's a bank of eight of them, and another of four. Currently the 8 are: OFF, ON, ON, OFF, ON, OFF, OFF, ON. The set of 4 are all OFF. I checked through memory with DEBUG and located the BIOS code as well as the stuff the Amiga sends to the PC side via the dual-port RAM. I don't know how big the BIOS is supposed to be. It looks like it's in two chunks, of about 4K and 8K. The first section of this code lies at F4000 and goes to about F4Cxx, followed by a bunch of FF's, then at F6000 is a solid 8K chunk of code, including copyright messages from Commodore Electronics Ltd. and Phoenix Software Associates Ltd. Would all of this be in a 16K chunk in the EPROM at location U22 on the motherboard? It's a 48-pin EPROM with a sticker on it that reads "380619-02" and "Hydra BIOS 2.05". Under the daughterboard and the hard drive (I replaced the floppy drive with an ST-296N in 1991 or so) where I couldn't really see very well, were at least two other 48-pin chips, at U39 and U40. The only number I could see was "8621" on the one at position U40. I know that's not a lot of information, but does anyone know what those are? I'm just interested in how the SideCar performs its magic. I looked into the RAM area from E0000-F3FFF which is the shared RAM, and I was surprised to see some stuff in there from the Amiga side that I don't think should have been there. After the PC.boot file stuff that was loaded into the PC side by the Amiga at startup, there was the "info" program from the Amiga shell. Executing something else on the Amiga side cleared that area out, and executing "info" again (from ARP 1.3, not the real AmigaDOS) put the info code back in there. Also, some filenames from directories on the Amiga side showed up in there. What's going on? The SideCar controls the hard drive for the Amiga. Does the Amiga get the data from the HD through this memory area? I've never been able to get AREAD/AWRITE to function. They always GURU. I got the files from a BridgeBoard distribution... do I need special ones for the SideCar? Now, the main reason I actually opened the SideCar up: I installed a Seagate SL-02 SCSI controller when I installed the hard drive. It conflicted with the floppy controller in the SideCar, and in order to have floppies and hard drive running at the same time, I had to disable the floppy controller on the SCSI card. I did this by putting masking tape over each pin on the card in turn, booting up the Amiga and the PC side, and recording the results. I eventually decided, from these results, to tape over 7 of the pins on the SCSI controller card, and this has worked perfectly since. I don't know how the pins are numbered, but below is an ASCII graphic representation. :) The 5th, 6th, 10th, 18th, 19th, 22nd, and 26th pins are taped over, on the left hand side of the card, reading from front to back. xx x xx x x | ===============================| |o I hadn't recorded this anywhere, and I was a bit worried that the tape would be drying out and falling off and making my SideCar go crazy, but everything was OK. And now it's recorded somewhere. :) Oh, one other thing. The first part of the boot message is as follows: Commodore Hydra BIOS Rev. 2.05 - Test Release - Copyright (C) 1985 by Commodore Electronics Ltd. Copyright (C) 1984,1985 by Phoenix Software Associates Ltd. All Rights Reserved. The serial number is under 1000. I'm wondering how common the A1060 SideCar is, and if anyone has one that doesn't boot up with the "Test Release" message. The motherboard says: FAB 380517-01 Rev.4 ASSY NO. 380604-01 Rev.7 ?1986 COMMODORE SIDECAR MAINBOARD Are there earlier or later revisions out there? Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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Now: Once again, whattheheckisa computer? (Was: Re: Delay lines)

by zmerch＠northernway.net

;-) Clearing the snow from my glasses, I saw Doug Yowza typed: >On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Roger Merchberger wrote: > >> The absolute definition of a computer as I remember >> it goes thusly: >> >> "An instrument which can perform arithmatic and logical functions without >> the aid of a human." > >That's too ambiguous to me. All computers require the aid of a human at >some point. What's the diff if I pay Bill Gates to program mine or if I >work the slides on my slide rule? The difference is: there's no enter key on a slide rule. You can enter a program into a computer, and once it begins executing it may not require human interference until it has completed. If said program includes both arithmatic and logical functions between the pressing of the enter key and the output, it would fit the definition of a computer. >As for me, whenever I see little chicklet keys on a calculator, that's >enough for me to say it's not a computer :-) Ah, then you have an anti-Tandy bent, eh? For the chicklet keys on my CoCo1's preclude it from your definition??? ;-) (And, to continue along this nasty bend in the road, the membrane-only keyboards of the Timex Sinclair 1000 and Tandy's MC-10 make them akin to a microwave oven? ;-) I guess I see a lot more computers than you do! Just my $0.02USD ($0.026CDN), "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Owner, MerchWare | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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Freedom!

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

Ahhh, finally I had a day that was free enough of other obligations that I could sit down and tinker with some of my old toys. The machines I played with today: Amiga 1000 with SideCar, Tandy 1000EX, Atari 800XL, Kaypro II and 2, TeleVideo TPC-I, 'A.M.A. LCD Portable' (286 luggable with LCD screen). I also had time to inspect a few pieces of junk I don't know anything about, that had been collecting dust on shelves. Anyway, it's great to have time to relax and tinker and post. I'll put specific comments and queries in appropriately titled messages. Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca

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Delay lines

by engine＠chac.org

At 01:21 3/21/98 -0600, Doug wrote: >Has anybody ventured a definition of computer that allows us to weed out >mere calculators? How about: > >* must be programmable >* must be general purpose >* must have alphanumeric input capabilites >* must have alphanumeric display capabilites You can even throw in "must have stored-program memory" and, bingo, an HP9100 is a computer. __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Now: Once again, whattheheckisa computer? (Was: Re: Delay lines)

by zmerch＠northernway.net

;-) Clearing the snow from my glasses, I saw Doug Yowza typed: >On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Roger Merchberger wrote: > >> The absolute definition of a computer as I remember >> it goes thusly: >> >> "An instrument which can perform arithmatic and logical functions without >> the aid of a human." > >That's too ambiguous to me. All computers require the aid of a human at >some point. What's the diff if I pay Bill Gates to program mine or if I >work the slides on my slide rule? The difference is: there's no enter key on a slide rule. You can enter a program into a computer, and once it begins executing it may not require human interference until it has completed. If said program includes both arithmetic and logical functions between the pressing of the enter key and the output, it would fit the definition of a computer. >As for me, whenever I see little chicklet keys on a calculator, that's >enough for me to say it's not a computer :-) Ah, then you have an anti-Tandy bent, he? For the chicklet keys on my CoCo1's preclude it from your definition??? ;-) (And, to continue along this nasty bend in the road, the membrane-only keyboards of the Timex Sinclair 1000 and Tandy's MC-10 make them akin to a microwave oven? ;-) I guess I see a lot more computers than you do! Just my $0.02USD ($0.026CDN), "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Owner, MerchWare | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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Delay lines

by jredin＠earthlink.net

Dear friends, I love computers indeed, but behind calculators are almost 400 years of history, so there is a lot of very interesting material to learn and research. Regards, James Redin http://www.dotpoint.com/xnumber The X-Number World of Calculators ---------- > From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Delay lines > Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 11:21 PM > > On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Kip Crosby wrote: > > > >> But the calculator collectors have their own lists, don't they? > > > > > >True... I'd just not object to the odd thread on [calculators] > > >particularly if they were historically significant (the HP9100...), > > >technically interesting, or whatever. > > > > Hear, hear! Especially since many so-called calculators were built by > > manufacturers not, for whatever reason, prepared to admit they were > > building computers -- with IBM and HP springing to mind at once. > > I know people collect calculators, but I just can't imagine how it can > bring the same kind of satisfaction as computer collecting. You can't > really hack a calculator. They don't lend themselves very well to > restoration efforts. They can't do many tricks. And few of them have any > sort of personality (OK, I'll admit that HP tries pretty hard in this > area). > > Has anybody ventured a definition of computer that allows us to weed out > mere calculators? How about: > > * must be programmable > * must be general purpose > * must have alphanumeric input capabilites > * must have alphanumeric display capabilites > > Unfortunately, this would mean that an Altair isn't a computer until you > add a terminal, but it keeps those pesky HP-65's out of the group. > > -- Doug >

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Now: Once again, whattheheckisa computer? (Was: Re: Delay lines)

by zmerch＠northernway.net

;-) Clearing the snow from my glasses, I saw Doug Yowza typed: >I know people collect calculators, but I just can't imagine how it can >bring the same kind of satisfaction as computer collecting. You can't >really hack a calculator. They don't lend themselves very well to >restoration efforts. They can't do many tricks. And few of them have any >sort of personality (OK, I'll admit that HP tries pretty hard in this >area). Uh, and what about that "grey area" of programmable calcs? Not only do they have personality... 1) my trusty Casio programmable calc of 12 years ago that started me thru college, may it R.I.P. is wholly program code compatible with my new(er) 9700 (icon-based screen, 32K RAM)... 2) The TI-59 had not only magnetic card storage, but also a ROM-card library, (at least) one of which was a ROM of games... including an interesting football simulation. but in most (if not all) definitions of a computer, they fit. >Has anybody ventured a definition of computer that allows us to weed out >mere calculators? How about: Why? As you seem to be less interested in calcs, it seems many on this list may be as interested, and if they do fit the definition of a computer, why can't they be included? The absolute definition of a computer as I remember it goes thusly: "An instrument which can perform arithmatic and logical functions without the aid of a human." Which to me would: exclude sliderules (tho the thread on here I found *very* interesting and enjoyed), include mechanical / analog computers, (to me) exclude basic / 4-function calcs (some folks think carrying & single-memory storage encompass logical functions... I disagree) include programmable calcs... (heavens, my Casio calc has more memory than my Tandy 200... Goodness!) Granted, these points are primarily moot, for the definition of a computer as to be used on this list would need to be defined by Mr. Bill Whitson, the (still) owner of this list. >* must be programmable >* must be general purpose >* must have alphanumeric input capabilites >* must have alphanumeric display capabilites My New Casio fits all these descriptions (but is not 10 years old), my old Casio fits all and is old too, and (with a slight stretch for input) so does my TI-59. >Unfortunately, this would mean that an Altair isn't a computer until you >add a terminal, but it keeps those pesky HP-65's out of the group. By your definition, adding a terminal to an altair would not turn it into a computer... for the computer is only performing I/O on an RS-232. The terminal is doing the displaying. To fit your definition, you would need to add a dedicated keyboard & video board to said Altair... So, you've successfully excluded Altairs, but included Casio calculators... Or is this just an HP vendetta???? :-) Just my (awkward) views... Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Owner, MerchWare | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

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oddball find PS/2-50

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Because they are sufficiently off the path of my interests I may trade both of them off. They look pretty neat but, I have no spares and they can serve as spares for the rest of my systems. That and I'm not really into collecting PCs. Allison

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Delay lines

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Exactly. In the particular case of the Friden it was called a supersonic <delay line, although I've never been sure why. acoustic delay lines, they propagate bits translated to mechanical impulses at the speed of sound in a solid. The resulting delay is long enough to use ans a shift register to store bits. Allison

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information

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

> Videotext never really caught on in the US except on cable TV as a > non-interactive display. I believe there are still a few videotext services > piggybacking on satellite channels. They transmit on one of the unused scan > lines at the top of the picture, similar to closed captioning for the deaf. > > To my knowledge the only truly successful videotext implementation > was the french minitel telephone directory. data piggy-backed on TV signals, using several lines in the blanking interval, is called viewdata. data presented in the same screen format as viewdata, but interactively, over a phone line, is called videotext. Collectively, videotex = videotext + viewdata. The original standards were for 25 lines of 40 columns, in 8 colours. Characters can have attributes like "flashing" or "hidden" (for quizzes), and there are rudimentary graphics using a 2x6 mosaic pattern in each character cell. There are several not-quite-compatible viewdata standards, some of which offer much higher resolution and colour range (the German Bilschirmtext system BTX does this). AFAIK, all the videotext systesm, at least in Europe, are the same, and the BBC and UK independent TV companies all use it for news, programme listings, etc, as do a lot of the european satellite TV channels. UK's PRESTEL, Germany's BTX, France's Minitel, all use slightly different forms. Lots of UK travel agents use a private PRESTEL-compatible system, and at least a couple of banks and building societies here use the same standard for home banking. A few UK bulletin boards used to use the same format, and I think one or two still do, for nostalgic reasons. You can get two or three host systems to run on machines like BBC Micros. There's a web page somewhere devoted to this old stuff, but I can't remember the URL (if anyone really wants it, I'll look). There are BTX and Minitel emulators for X-windows, and I have a PRESTEL terminal emulator package for X-windows (works well but still needs a bit of tidying up) which AFAIK is the only free PRESTEL-compatible one for unix systems. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Northstar S100 compatability

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Now I'm going to consider voltage wrt the machine ground i.e. the bottom <of the transformer winding, not the tap. Also on NS* there is an option to not make the metal chassis DC grond to the logic. So ground must be the backplane ground. I suspect Tony has a possible solution, miswiring of the secondary. <I don't know where you are in the UK (can I conclude from your machine <name that you are near Peterborough?), but if you think I can be of any <help, please e-mail me. I have some generic S100 docs (although nothing <N* specific - if you get anything, I'd be interested in seeing it), and a I have a full set of NS* docs but I happen to be on the wrong side of the pond. The PS schematic is pretty trivial. Tony had the design of the +/- 16v correct. If you open the power supply up to see the transformer leads 2,3 and 6 are conneted to ground and common. For the +/-16 leads 5 and 7 go to the bridge rectifier. For the +8 leads 1 and 4 go to the really big diodes mounted on the L-shaped bracket. The 8900uf cap should have -16 to -22v across it and the 11000uf cap +16 to 22v. The largest 180,000uf cap should have +8-10v. Allison

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Time/Date stamper

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I remember hearing a trick about soaking a printer ribbon with WD-40 to revive it. YMMV of course. david In a message dated 98-03-20 20:03:00 EST, you write: << I recently picked up a time/date stamper from the trash. It is a box with a slot, and when a paper is inserted, the paper is stamped. The first year on the stamping drum is 1951, so I assume that's when it was made. It uses a cloth ribbon for ink. How do I reink it? Also, the stamping has impressed the numbers into the rubber platen. How do I get rid of that? >>

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Heinz Nixdorf

by jredin＠earthlink.net

Dear friends, I'm recollecting information for an article I will write about the transition of electro-mechanical calculators to electronic calculators during the 60's. I've found that the ANITA from Sumlock Comptometer of England (1963) is usually regarded as the first electronic calculator [1]. However, recently I found an article about Heinz Nixdorf of Germany in the LEXICON's History of Computing (CD-ROM) which indicates that he built several models of electronic calculators back in 1954 (Models ES12 and ES24). I haven't been able to obtain more information on these calculators. I suppose this is because Nixdorf moved soon onto the computers technology (eventually joining with Siemens). As a reference, I posted a copy of the Nixdorf article in my web site at the following address: http://www.dotpoint.com/xnumber/chistory.htm Information about the Anita can be found at: http://www.dotpoint.com/xnumber SECTION: VINTAGE CALCULATORS --> ELECTRONIC --> ALBUM --> Anita Any information on this subject will be appreciated. Regards, James Redin ----------------------- [1] Bruce Flamm, "The World's First Electronic Calculator - Who Made It?" The International Calculator Collector - Fall 1996, Issue #14.

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Time/Date stamper

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I recently picked up a time/date stamper from the trash. It is a box with a slot, and when a paper is inserted, the paper is stamped. The first year on the stamping drum is 1951, so I assume that's when it was made. It uses a cloth ribbon for ink. How do I reink it? Also, the stamping has impressed the numbers into the rubber platen. How do I get rid of that? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Apple - PC

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<the trackstar was made years ago in the late 1980s. in fact, radio shack <to have it in the catalog for sale! you might want to check out ebay.com <they did have some of these cards for ~$20 about two months ago. it's a f <length isa card that you plug a standard disk ][ into. dont know about vi <though. supposedly they were quite compatible and one could run just abou <anything on that card. I have one of these. A Diamond Trackstar 128k, has two 65c02s and 128k of ram. It can use the standard 360k drives and the apple ones as well. What I don't have for it is the software. Looks really neat and useful. I don't know if it would work in anything later than an XTclass machine and without software it's hard to determine that. Allison

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Northstar S100 compatability

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Now that's where an IMSAI front panel really paid off. You put <in the card, stored an FF in the first location, the panel <display show EF instead...bingo, the RAM on D4 is bad (or more <likely a bent pin or upside down in socket). Or run NSdos and use the ramtest program. Another solution is load a monitor into known memory and fill ram with 00 or ffh to detect stuck bits. Allison

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OK, Time to make an attempt at ending this...

by jfoust＠threedee.com

"Daniel A. Seagraves" <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> wrote: >BTW, That's *NOT* a mail bomb. He asked for it. I've been ^Qing thru all >that crap all morning, and I'm sick of it. He wasted a lot of my time, so >I'll waste a few of his. Besides, it's only about... *clicky click* 39 meg. Daniel, mail bombs, real or implied, are a childish act. They accomplish nothing except annoyance and can cause loss of other important mail by any user on the involved systems. It's as effective as insulting your computer when your program has a bug. I thought the public posting of private messages was quite egregious, too, but Daniel didn't do that. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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Northstar S100 compatability

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: Simon Coombs <simon(a)nenevr.demon.co.uk> <Subject: Northstar S100 compatability <Does anyone have any idea what sort of RAM cards the Horizon likes to <play with? My system already has an (albeit flakey) RAM-16 card, and I <have the remains of an old Godbout Econoram-II card, sans about half its <chips. I have *no* idea whether this card was ever used with the N*. Ram16 or ram17, any 8k/16k/64k static ram cards all work and may of the dynmaic ram cards that have local (on card refresh). The NS* was pretty clean so most memory bords worked well. The econoram-11 and the ram16 both work. The ram16 should be easy to fix it's static and uses 2kx8 parts. <retired gracefully. I think that the PSU could do with some adjustment, <too; if anyone in the UK has schematics for any of these bits, and would Northstar* PSU requires adjustment???? The Horizon used three terminal FIXED REGULATORS. Unless you mean 120v/240v wiring of the mains transformer. Allison

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Videotext

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 07:43 21/03/98 +1100, you wrote: >When I talked to the designer of the Mattel videotext system, I was confused >and mentiioned this piggybacking on TV signals in the blank area, and he was >kinda amused that I would confuse videotext with TELEtext. Videotext had >dedicated phone numbers your system would ring up. Teletext was piggybacked >on TV signals. Yes, they are two different services. Here in Italy the Videotext service is called "VIDEOTEL" and works using the Teletel/Prestel standard with speed 75/1200 baud. The Teletext service broadcasted from RAI is called "TELEVIDEO":the signal is inserted in the TV frames and can be seen with a decoder. The informations are divided in pages (capacity abt. 990 per TV channel) regarding many topics: from weather forecasts to news, tv programs schedule, and other info that can be recalled with the remote control. Some broadcasters uses it as an economic "one way" data transmission (Telesoftware). With a special pc-board connected directly with the TV antenna, is possible to download files transmitted as multiple pages (E.G. the price updates for the the pharmacies). Ciao ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE ? ? AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY ? ? Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL.No.* ? ? where*=asterisk key | help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html ? ? e-mail=chemif(a)mbox.queen.it ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Videotext

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

> Videotext never really caught on in the US except on cable TV as a >non-interactive display. I believe there are still a few videotext services >piggybacking on satellite channels. They transmit on one of the unused scan >lines at the top of the picture, similar to closed captioning for the deaf. When I talked to the designer of the Mattel videotext system, I was confused and mentiioned this piggybacking on TV signals in the blank area, and he was kinda amused that I would confuse videotext with TELEtext. Videotext had dedicated phone numbers your system would ring up. Teletext was piggybacked on TV signals. He called videotext a precursor to the internet (and also stated that he doesn't use the 'net because you have to pay for things you want, and it's not got much useful on it anyway - I wonder how long since he's used it?!!) Cheers A

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information

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

OK, I'm lucky enough to have prototypes of a videotext system using the Mattel Aquarius computer. I have hardware, and more importantly software, manuals, and some videotext specs. I've got the things the guys used to design their hardware - that is, the low level detail. I also have some 25 year old printouts of videotext screens. Rather neat. Contact me if you want copies, basically at cost - or I will dig out particular information gratis. Cheers A -----Original Message----- From: Jack Peacock <peacock(a)simconv.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 5:20 AM Subject: Re: information Turlough O'Brien wrote: "videotext" but there is little to no information available on the net about "Videotext" or in the libraries.I would greatly appreciate it if you could send me some informatin on the subject. (This is from memory and unreliable) There was a proposed standard for North America called NAPLPS, for videotext presentation. I believe it was sponsored by Philips. If someone has a complete collection of BYTE magazines, I recall there was an issue devoted to videotext, circa 1981. The one clever feature of NAPLPS was that the graphics were based on floating point coordinates. Because screen sizes and resolutions would vary, positioning and sizing graphics was a problem. NAPLPS used a coordinate system where the width and height of the screen ranged from 0 to 1. For instance, to place a pixel in the center, you referenced coordinates (0.5, 0.5). Videotext never really caught on in the US except on cable TV as a non-interactive display. I believe there are still a few videotext services piggybacking on satellite channels. They transmit on one of the unused scan lines at the top of the picture, similar to closed captioning for the deaf. To my knowledge the only truly successful videotext implementation was the french minitel telephone directory. Hope this gives you a place to start. Jack Peacock

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PDP parts wanted (cross post)

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

This plea for PDP items was on the "Obsolete Computer Helpline" today and form the traffic lately I'm sure someone could contact this person to give him some pointers by direct email. >Steve Hogan <SHogan7080(a)aol.com> >Nottingham, UK - Friday, March 20, 1998 at 03:27:29 > > HELP > > I am looking for a source of spares for Digital PDP 11 computers. > > In particular, and Disk Controller and Disk Formatter cards -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Northstar S100 compatability

by peacock＠simconv.com

>Hmm; I'm glad to hear that the N* isn't *too* fussy about the memory >cards it plays with - it makes the job of finding spares a whole lot easier! > >Regards repairs to the existing boards, I may well end up admitting >defeat in the short term - if it's a duff 4027 chip, I'm stuffed - >there's 32 of 'em to choose from! > Now that's where an IMSAI front panel really paid off. You put in the card, stored an FF in the first location, the panel display show EF instead...bingo, the RAM on D4 is bad (or more likely a bent pin or upside down in socket). Jack Peacock

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Northstar S100 compatability

by peacock＠simconv.com

>Well, the mains transformer is wired OK; it happily takes the 240V in and >spits out something (?) like 8VAC, 16VAC and respectively. The 16VAC then >goes through what I assume is a bridge rectifier, and out comes approx. >+32VDC and -32VDC. The snag *is* that it's meant to be supplying 16, not >32v! The 8v rail, fortunately, is fine. Are you sure you measured from the right ground? I have never seen a bridge rectifier that would take 16VAC going in, then provide +/-32VDC coming out the DC side. Connect your ground lead to pin 50 on the S-100 bus (the rightmost side, pins 50 and 100 are signal/power ground). You should see +8VDC (roughly) on bus pin 1/51, +16VDC on pin 2 (or 52, I forget which, don't have a schematic in front of me), and -16Vdc on pin 52 (or pin 2). If you still show +/-32VDC, look at the transformer, something's wrong there (you would have a 120V xfrmr instead of a 240V one). Jack Peacock

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Crisis Over, Back To Your Homes, Wanted: Apple ][ Card Info

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

The list is, more or less, on topic, and I've taken this oppertuinity to ask a question: My Apple ][ has a Language card called a "Pocket Rocket". Now, what does this do? Does it let me write in such languages as Pascal, C, or, on my ][+, Integer BASIC? Also, is RAM expansion avaible to increase RAM to 128K (As I've heard that it could go to...) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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Symbolics 3650..

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

> :[Symbolics 3650] A couple of resources I found online... The Online Symbolics Museum: http://www.brightware.com/~rwk/symbolics/ Symbolics Technical Summary: http://www.lavielle.com/~joswig/symbolic-computing.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Northstar S100 compatability

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Out of interest, what would a N* want with 256K anyway? Presumably, <whatever OS it is running is pretty hefty stuff! It ran NSdos which was pretty lightweight. and didn't care much about how much ram there was. It was possible to run multiuser NSdos. CP/M was commonly ported to it and 2.2 could be banked if you weren't faint of hear and CPM-3 was designed for banked operation. MPM was a multiuser cpm that also could use banked ram while running multiple users. Mine has 128k in it at current, running CP/M-2 banked. Allison

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Catweasel, etc.

by jfoust＠threedee.com

"Richard A. Cini" <rcini(a)email.msn.com> > Here's my idea. Why can't we contact those vendors that are still in >{corporate} existence and who at one time produced interesting and useful >hardware or software (examples would be MicroSolutions, or CentralPoint), >and try to purchase, for nominal $$$, the rights to produce and distribute >these goods in small quantities. Because as soon as they think there's a buck to be made, the price will become prohibitive. :-) There's some hope for classic computers from the Catweasel people. In their FAQ, they admit knowledge of eight-inch drives, and would be willing to add support for them and their disk formats if someone loaned them a drive and some disks. The problem? They're in Germany. Andrew De Quincey <adq(a)tardis.ed.ac.uk> recently posted some messages to various Usenet classic groups regarding a project where he's capturing the bit-level signals from a drive, and using a Java program to decode it to higher levels of representation. I've been improving my ANSI C tools for getting directories and bursting disk image files for UCSD Pascal and RT-11. Right now they work on logical-order disk images, but I want to improve them to read physical-sector-order images, as well as Anadisk's extra eight-byte sector-header format. Sadly, Anadisk doesn't work under a WinNT command shell, I have to boot back to DOS. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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Vic-20 heads-up

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> wrote: >Sorry for the on-topic post, but, I just wanted to let folks know that >there is a guy (Ward(?) Shrake) who is archiving Vic-20 cartridges. >This sort of serious, practical preservation is definitely to be commended. What is he doing to address the question of copyright? Might not some of these titles be owned by someone? - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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Cleaning up classic books

by Marty＠itgonline.com

First, you should appeal to these thrift shops to use a pencil. Some thrift shops I haunt will pencil in the price on the inside cover, then to thwart repricers, pencil it in again on a different page. I've never had any luck removing grease pencil and have ended up smearing it. I suggest you look up the Library of Congress on the web and email them for advice if they have nothing listed for book preservation. Marty Mintzell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Cleaning up classic books Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 3/19/98 7:42 PM Many of the old computer books I get from thrift stores have the price of the book written in grease pencil on the inside cover of the book. I'd like to remove this safely. Can someone point me to the right place to find this sort of information? Thanks. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Mar19.194222.1767.33023; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:42:23 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id QAA11739; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:35:56 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id QAA17044 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:35:50 -0800 Received: from shell.wco.com (root(a)shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id QAA08101 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:35:49 -0800 Received: from shell (dastar@shell [199.4.94.16]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with SMTP id QAA28027 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:35:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980319163413.10428C-100000@shell> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:35:40 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Cleaning up classic books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Classic Computer Discussion <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Sender: dastar@shell X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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Found few chips and one interesting chip.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<One guy had list of stuff for sale or trades recently within last <week or so and was asking for those 8228 chips. <1 x AMD 8284A <1 x Fujitsu 8284A <3 x Nec 8284AD 8284 .NEQ 8228. The 8284/A is specific to 8088/v20 and 8228 is specific to 8080. <MC857P, dated '71 of 18th week. uRTL or DTL (utilogic) , real slow and real old. Generally simple gates or maybe a dual flipflop. Allison

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information

by turloughobrien＠tinet.ie

I am a student in Trinity college Dublin,Ireland.I have been assigned a project on "videotext" but there is little to no information available on the net about "Videotext" or in the libraries.I would greatly appreciate it if you could send me some informatin on the subject. Yours sincerly Turlough O'Brien. turloughobrien(a)tinet.ie

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Vic-20 heads-up

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

I second Uncle Roger's comments. Ward is a great guy and is doing the Vic-20 community a great service. I have also contributed to the archiving and CD project. BTW, the URL is http://members.aol.com/wshrake/index.htm Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 1:55 AM Subject: Vic-20 heads-up > >Sorry for the on-topic post, but, I just wanted to let folks know that >there is a guy (Ward(?) Shrake) who is archiving Vic-20 cartridges. He has >a list posted on the web (and of course, I don't have URL here on the >train) and is actually taking images of the cartridge ROM's for a CD-ROM >(as well as scanning pictures of the labels and such.) > >If anyone is really interested, e-mail me and I'll dig up the URL where >he's got a list of all the cartridges that were available. (If you have >one that's not on the list, please let him know!) > >I'm proud to say that I did have one that wasn't on the list (Fun with >Music, by Epyx) and am sending it, along with another (apparently >incredibly rare) cart (Dot Gobbler) for him to take images of. > >This sort of serious, practical preservation is definitely to be commended. > >(I remember staying up late and playing one of the text adventures on a >Vic-20 with a friend of mine. His first introduction to computers. I was >happy to be able to offer him a new experience, since he had provided me >with so many.) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > >Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad >roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." >Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates >San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ > >

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Vic-20 heads-up

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Sorry for the on-topic post, but, I just wanted to let folks know that there is a guy (Ward(?) Shrake) who is archiving Vic-20 cartridges. He has a list posted on the web (and of course, I don't have URL here on the train) and is actually taking images of the cartridge ROM's for a CD-ROM (as well as scanning pictures of the labels and such.) If anyone is really interested, e-mail me and I'll dig up the URL where he's got a list of all the cartridges that were available. (If you have one that's not on the list, please let him know!) I'm proud to say that I did have one that wasn't on the list (Fun with Music, by Epyx) and am sending it, along with another (apparently incredibly rare) cart (Dot Gobbler) for him to take images of. This sort of serious, practical preservation is definitely to be commended. (I remember staying up late and playing one of the text adventures on a Vic-20 with a friend of mine. His first introduction to computers. I was happy to be able to offer him a new experience, since he had provided me with so many.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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oddball find PS/2-50, NOT oddball PS/2. :))

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Guys, everyone should have this book by Scott Mueller, "Upgrading and <Repairing PCs". Tis' have good INFO on most PS/2, PS/1 and some late <IBM boxens including the PC, XT and AT in all types, convertible, <5155 portable. I have that book and it's leaving me guessing on some of this. <Not in this sense. Correctly stated, in IBM's words: for this 50 <series uses either MFM/RLL card that plugs into that MCA bus or the <IDE MCA hd and pass thru card called IDE (MCA IDE) on Interposer <Card. It must be the mfm/rll as the card in the MCA bus is fairly busy and the drive is sparse. <BTW, got a spare working 1.44 FDD for that 50 series? All I have is <this battle damaged naked 50Z board with CPU and rom with stand up <floppy adaper. Or better yet, any luck finding a spare PS/2 with <386 or better boxen? I have no desire to get into MCA bus or for that fact PS/2 or machines of that era. Older ISA I have but that's it other than the more current 386 and 486 box to run mail, linux and gcadd. I may trade off these ps/2s. Allison

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information

by peacock＠simconv.com

Turlough O'Brien wrote: "videotext" but there is little to no information available on the net about "Videotext" or in the libraries.I would greatly appreciate it if you could send me some informatin on the subject. (This is from memory and unreliable) There was a proposed standard for North America called NAPLPS, for videotext presentation. I believe it was sponsored by Philips. If someone has a complete collection of BYTE magazines, I recall there was an issue devoted to videotext, circa 1981. The one clever feature of NAPLPS was that the graphics were based on floating point coordinates. Because screen sizes and resolutions would vary, positioning and sizing graphics was a problem. NAPLPS used a coordinate system where the width and height of the screen ranged from 0 to 1. For instance, to place a pixel in the center, you referenced coordinates (0.5, 0.5). Videotext never really caught on in the US except on cable TV as a non-interactive display. I believe there are still a few videotext services piggybacking on satellite channels. They transmit on one of the unused scan lines at the top of the picture, similar to closed captioning for the deaf. To my knowledge the only truly successful videotext implementation was the french minitel telephone directory. Hope this gives you a place to start. Jack Peacock

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New Adds to Museum

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Well all the last couple weeks have 50/50 as my sources stsrt to have less and less computer items. But I did some of the following Mac IIfx, Mac IIsi, Mac IIci (all for $15 each); all were loaded with software and worked fine no kb's or mice with them just the boxes. A couple of servers one Dell and the Compaq but not 10 years old yet for $10 each with no memory or hard drives. A NeXt black laser printer for $15, NEC MultiSpeed EL with power brick and manuals $20 at Goodwill. COMQuest PC for .80, IIc mono monitor and stand .80, Apple IIc free no power supply with it. Atari newstyle 2600 .80,Mac 512k model M0001E will not power on .80, IBM 6156-003 Portable Disk Drive unit,Pitney Bowes in AT style case with black 3.5 FD $10 not tested yet, and todays finds have not been listed yet in the computer so I can't tell you what all I got but my pickup was full. Yes I got 2 IBM 5494's anyone know something about them ?? Thanks and keep computing John

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Northstar S100 compatability

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Simon, how timely of you. I just acquired a NorthStar Horizon yesterday which uses four 64KB memory boards (parity). Each board has four 9 chip rows of 16KB dram. I haven't got the documentation for this machine yet, the previous owner has it in storage with software as well (he claims) and said he might have it for me by next week. I'll let you know more details when I get the docs. Marty Mintzell marty(a)itgonline.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Northstar S100 compatability Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 3/19/98 3:50 PM Hi there, guys. I've been lurking on this list for a good long while now, and some of the recent talk of Northstar crates actually prompted me to dig one out that I had aquired a good few years ago and promptly forgotten about...! Does anyone have any idea what sort of RAM cards the Horizon likes to play with? My system already has an (albeit flakey) RAM-16 card, and I have the remains of an old Godbout Econoram-II card, sans about half its chips. I have *no* idea whether this card was ever used with the N*. The machine is not in great condition, bless it; it seems to have been robbed of a couple of voltage regulators at some point in the past, and the full-height 5.25 drives are, I fear, past their best, and shall be retired gracefully. I think that the PSU could do with some adjustment, too; if anyone in the UK has schematics for any of these bits, and would be willing to make copies in exchange for money or eternal gratitude, please let me know! Still, despite it's problems, I suppose I should at least be grateful that I have at least found a manufacturer of hard-sectored diskettes! [1] Thanks. Simon. -- Simon Coombs simon(a)nenevr.demon.co.uk Don't stand on ceremony; just bow low. CP/M - The once and future O/S! [1] Or, at least, they still were as of Jul 97. ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Mar19.155025.1767.32971; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:50:25 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA05533; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:33:18 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA21170 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:32:48 -0800 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [193.195.0.154]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with SMTP id MAA12994 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:32:47 -0800 Received: from nenevr.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.39]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1021057; 19 Mar 98 20:01 GMT Received: (from simon@localhost) by nenevr.demon.co.uk (8.6.9/v3.2) id TAA13790; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:45:08 GMT Message-Id: <Pine.3.89.9803191910.A13753-0100000(a)nenevr.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:45:08 +0000 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Simon Coombs <simon(a)nenevr.demon.co.uk> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Northstar S100 compatability MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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Archive Corp FT60 Adapter Board Jumper Settings

by dar617＠idirect.com

I have 2 EAX6GPSC-499R cards and a FT-60 tape drive. I have just cleaned up the tape drive (the interior tape mechanism is marked Archive model #9050B) and have yet to try it as I need a tape. I also have the software to run the board and drive and they appear to work. Thanks for the info on the type of tape needed. I have three sets fo jumpers {kk(on), hh(off), ff(off), jj(off), q24(on), 45mb(on)} {3(on), 4(on), 5(on), 6(on), 7(on), 8(on), 9(off), 10(on)} {RR(off), IRQ 1thru3(3 on), DRQ 1thru3(1 on), DACK(?) 1thru3(1 on)} Doug Rea

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Arrrgh! Micro$h*t again....

by bwit＠pobox.com

---------- From: Max Eskin[SMTP:maxeskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 16, 1998 9:40 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Arrrgh! Micro$h*t again... >What's wrong with COBOL? The OBOL part.

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Northstar S100 compatability

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Well, the mains transformer is wired OK; it happily takes the 240V in and <spits out something (?) like 8VAC, 16VAC and respectively. The 16VAC then <goes through what I assume is a bridge rectifier, and out comes approx. <+32VDC and -32VDC. The snag *is* that it's meant to be supplying 16, not <32v! The 8v rail, fortunately, is fine. Fix that! That 32v is way to high and will snuff the regulators used for +/-12v. I would expact something closer to 22v DC. Also the caps used would be stressed if subjected to that for an extended time. It sounds like the power is wired wrong. <Methinks that the previous owner may have been a little naughty with the <wiring; but I'm not confidant enough with electronics to play with it <too much. This is one machine I don't want to risk blowing up! :) Sounds that way. Get help from someone on your side of the pond if your in over your head as that's a fine machine. With 64k of ram and software it's still pretty useful. At least mine still earns it's keep. Allison

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whoa there...

by maynard＠jmg.com

Jeesh folks, I'm really sorry about this. It may take some time for your local DNS servers to update their cache. Until that time the Admin at my remote ISP (the guys maintaining my DNS records), have set up a sendmail virtusertable to forward mail from their local mail server (see www.sendmail.org if this is greek to you). OK, so if any bounce messages wound up on the mailing list it should stop now.... J. Maynard Gelinas

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mail problems

by maynard＠jmg.com

Folks, I'm in an mx record tangle with my primary nameserver (which of course, I don't admin). If you can get your nameserver to kill the TTL on it's cache you'll get me, otherwise it's going to bounce until the TTL ends. I've unsub'd from classiccmp to prevent any bounces (I assume there were bounces <*cringe*>?). Will subscribe back once this is straightened out.... J. Maynard Gelinas

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What I think to be a good idea...

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On the list, Don was talking about the MicroSolutions MatchPoint card, which, with its associated software, permitted reading and writing Apple disks on a standard PC drive, and another hardware item I can 't remember at this time. Here's my idea. Why can't we contact those vendors that are still in {corporate} existence and who at one time produced interesting and useful hardware or software (examples would be MicroSolutions, or CentralPoint), and try to purchase, for nominal $$$, the rights to produce and distribute these goods in small quantities. Although it would take some of the sport out of trying to locate a MatchPoint card, for example, it would enable us to produce these tools for ourselves, thus becoming self-sufficient in a way. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

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Apology, Info, Etc...

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:55 PM 3/18/98 -0800, you wrote: >> I encourage you to organize as you desire, by whatever >> means you can agree on if you haven't already done so. [...] >Ok fine. Until I'm able to take over ClassicCmp completely, we can put a >few issues to a vote. I thought we already decided a couple months back [...] >It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center >on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place >for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions I actually stopped to notice how many e-mails I got yesterday. Over 300. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to ignore all the off-topic BS (including the off-topic stuff about being off-topic and and the off-topic cat-fighting) and all the suggested changes and alternates and so on. I will continue reading whatever comes in from <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> and will (occassionally) post messages (maybe even including the occasional off-topic one) to <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> as if none of this had ever happened. Those that are unhappy are welcome to go off and start something new. Who knows, somewhere down the road, I might subscribe to your list/chatroom/website/whatever as well. Those that want to keep on whining, are welcome to do so. I'll delete your messages and somehow manage to go about my business without committing suicide. Those that want to talk about classic computers, great. I'll read your messages (even the bloody cax ones! 8^) and might even have something to contribute. So, if you liked it the way it was (and don't let Bill fool you, he's been doing a great job) just sit back, ignore it, and the nonsense will eventually blow over. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Hasbro buys ATARI

by jmg＠iac.net

This is old news. The ATARI newsgroups have been full of this for the last couple of weeks, so I'm sure most folks here know about it. However, Hasbro recently came out with an announcement stating that they are going to re-release old games such as Centipede just like they rereleased an updated 'Frogger.' A core ATARI constituancy still exists who would like Hasbro to update the ST hardware line. With clone European makers _still_ manufacturing ST compatible machines, and Gateway 2000's purchase of the Amiga line, one might think this could be a profitable move for Hasbro. Looks like they don't see it that way howver. What a shame. Both *BSD and Linux run on this hardware line and I _really_ want a decent alternative to PC hardware available which is also designed with <*cough*> games in mind (hey, I may be an adult but I still like videogames!) Maybe a letter writing campaign to Hasbro could help change their mind? Anyone else here fond of the old ATARI computer line and share my enthusiasm? J. Maynard Gelinas

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Old manuals free in Canada

by pjoules＠enterprise.net

Found on usenet - I assume that 40 years old makes them on topic ;-) (Sorry about the delay, message bounced twice because I couldn't type the address properly) On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:38:39 -0500, in comp.misc "John H. Lindsay" <lindsay-j(a)rmc.ca> wrote: >I'm in the process of trying to retire, and I have a collection >of computer manuals that go back to the I.B.M. 650 and 1620 >in the mid-late 1950's and run to, say, 10 years ago. This >stuff is History, and it shouldn't be thrown out. It needs a >good home - a computer archive, library, or museum, >Canadian preferred, but if one doesn't materialize, I'll consider >other possibilities. > >Ideas, suggestions or recommendations, anyone ? > >-- >John H. Lindsay lindsay-j(a)rmc.ca >Department of Mathematics and Computer Science >ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE OF CANADA >P O BOX 17000 STN FORCES >KINGSTON ON K7K 7B4 CANADA > >Phone: (613) 541-6000--1--6419 >Fax: (613) 541-6584

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Pesky atari modem

by CharlesII＠nwonline.net

I have a problem with an Atari 1030 modem. While I can receive everything correct on the Atari modem I am not able to receive anything transmitted from it to another computer correctly. All I get from the Atari modem is binary garbage. Can anyone help me? BTW dose anyone have any spare Atari cables remember they have 13 pins. On another note I've noticed that flea markets are a pretty good place to find classic computers.

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Cleaning up classic books

by dastar＠wco.com

Many of the old computer books I get from thrift stores have the price of the book written in grease pencil on the inside cover of the book. I'd like to remove this safely. Can someone point me to the right place to find this sort of information? Thanks. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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More: Irreverence to irrelevance

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

I have to admit that I'm flame virgin, but it looks like fun so I'll give it a shot. I can't believe so many on the ClassicCmp List don't subscribe to the digest! That was the first thing I did.(Change over to the digest) I can't be sorting through 40-50 messages to find the work related one that need to be answered right away. And frankly, collecting computers is a hobby for me, one of many, and this is not the only digest I subscribe to.(Even though it's the one that takes most of my mail reading time.) Yesterday's digest came in SIX parts. In the last year thats nearly the record. Page after page of the same e-mail quoted again and agin. BUT I'm not complaining, instead I suggest that MAYBE the ClassicCmp List should default to digest when subscribing. I think that a digest allows people the time to think out their responses. Many of you are the CP/M-List, this is a good example. You may have to wait 24 hours for a response, but usually it a very thoughtful one. And I think its because (as I remember) CP/M-L defaulted to digest and it just become a slower paced discussion. Also with a digest there is no reason to quote someone in entirety (You just read the other message). You do have to cut and paste, so you're more selective. It true than I'm sometimes 24 hours late on a computer for sale. But then again everybody want to auction off their computers anymore. Well that my humble opinion. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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IBM mainframe equipment (repost from another source)

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

There's a person on the Obsolete Computer Helpline at http://ncsc.dni.us/fun/user/tcc/cmuseum/helpline/helpline.htm that writes the following: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Anybody looking for some IBM mainframe equipment? Let me know what item you're looking for. --------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:mkoch@mw.mediaone.net is his email contact address. No name other than "Mike" was posted. I thought that maybe someone in the list might be interested.... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Hitachi 2.8" (was Preserving old floppies, fixed disks...)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-03-18 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:56:43 GMT :> yep, they're quick disks. and they probably belong in the same :>bucket as sinclair's microdrive and phi mag's floopy tape (anyone :>else remember this one?) - nice tries that just couldn't keep up, :>either in cost, capacity or genericity. :Re: phi mag's floppy tape: Didn't this resemble that old :TRS-80 hack the 'stringy floppy'? I used to have one of those when :I was a kid (the TRS-80 Stringy Floppy before I could afford a real :5 1/4" drive), and still remember it fondly. It was a pretty cool :little unit. ditto the sinclair microdrives, which were about the size of an old 50p piece (oh, erm... about one and a half times a quarter?) and stored 100k in a ql. they were 2 track, 1/16" tapes - does anyone know the magnetic format in which they stored data? was one track datat and one track clock, or...? they were *sooo* cute :> it's just a shame they were also rather unreliable. most qls have disk drives and ours is soon to acquire one. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...

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On Flames and Mailing lists, and a bit about

by peacock＠simconv.com

Marty wrote: > very interested in learning about the history of the company itself. I > read everything I can find on early microcomputer companies and find > it fascinating reading. Northstar got its start, I think in late 1976, with one of the first affordable and reliable floppy disk systems for S-100s. It used the then brand new 5.25" floppy disk Shugart had just started making, matched to an S-100 controller board. Up to that time all the floppy systems were based on 8" floppies, which went for, oh, around $1000-$1500 for a drive (and weren't very reliable either). The NS drive was very cheap in comparison, I think around $500, but bets of all you just put it in the box and it worked, very rare for S-100 machines in that timeframe. The drive was single density, single sided, hard sectored with 10 sectors of 256 bytes each, total around 90KB. Paltry compared to the 243KB on an 8" drive, but infinitely better than a Tarbell cassette interface. The drive came with a crude operating system (CP/M didn't work right away because of hardware problems with the boot ROM on the NS controller) and Basic. Eventually Lifeboat got a version of CP/M working with the drive. After the floppy subsystem, NS came out with a unique S-100 floating point coprocessor board. This was actually a sort of bit slice state machine that did BCD arithmetic. A very clever design but somewhat difficult to use. It was fast for it's time. The only software that used it (to my knowledge) was the NS basic and I think one of the CBASIC or PASCAL compilers (Sorcim?). NS made enough from their floppy systems that they started making whole machines, the Horizon and later the Advantage. As with all the S-100 companies, PC's killed them off. Jack Peacock

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More List Operation Stuff

by bcw＠u.washington.edu

Well, pretty soon you're all going to get sick of hearing from me, so this will be the last listop stuff I post for a couple days. I read back through a couple weeks of archive and I'm still letting thst digest. For the time being, I've decided not to make any decisions ;) It seems a little common sense and courtesy would go a long way in bringing this list back on track. I'm not so sure that hard-core officiating would make any difference. It would probably just spawn arguments defending the honor and freedom of listmembers (heads up aspiring list operators - that's a lesson I learned the hard way). Even when I was actively moderating this list, all I looked at was whether or not subjects were about classic computers or not. If it goes a little off track, all right. If that continues for too long, a polite message to the parties involved usually retires the thread to private mail. If you think about what you're going to post to the list for a minute or two, you'll know whether or not it will be well received. Spend that time. This list is for recreation. You should be on it because you think classic computers are fun. All of you are people with a common recreational interest - there's no reason to get nasty with each other. If you don't like certain people or topics, just delete them and focus on what you like. If you can't find anything you like, maybe this is not the list for you. I'm getting off my soapbox now. Thanks to all who have sent me their input. Keep it coming. I will lecture you more next week ;) -------------------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson bcw(a)u.washington.edu Network Administrator (425) 352-5209 University of Washington - Bothell Help Desk: 2-5275

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On Flames and Mailing lists, and a bit about

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Allison, thanks for the reply. I am hoping to get full docs from the previous owner (which should answer most technical questions) but am very interested in learning about the history of the company itself. I read everything I can find on early microcomputer companies and find it fascinating reading. Thanks again- Marty Mintzell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: On Flames and Mailing lists, and a bit about Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 3/19/98 5:30 PM < Vintage computer: I just became the custodian of a NorthStar Horizon < sporting four (count 'em) massive 64KB ram boards. Giving breath to < those memory boards is a four port serial board, a floppy controller < driving a 5 1/4" full height floppy drive, and a ST-506 interface hard < drive controller driving a hdd which I don't as yet have identified. < Of course it is powered by a Z-80A workhorse. This baby also sports a < lovely brushed aluminum front panel and I believe is one of the later They are good workhorse s100 machines. < production model Horizons as it has a red led on the front panel (the < Horizons I've seen in the old Byte Magazines from the late 1970's < don't have an led pictured). They all did, only the proto didn't. < Does anybody have any details on the history of NorthStar? I would < appreciate any ideas on where I might reseach their history. I built mine in early 1978 and it's celebrating it's 20th year! What do you need to know. Northstar* is long gone. The hardware refuses to die. Allison ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Mar19.173055.1767.32996; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:30:56 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id OAA01985; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:24:48 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id OAA42646 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:23:19 -0800 Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id OAA03305 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:23:16 -0800 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id RAA13386; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA06520; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:23:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199803192223.AA06520(a)world.std.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:23:14 -0500 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent) To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Re[2]: On Flames and Mailing lists, and a bit about computer X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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VAXStation Terminal Help Needed

by aaron＠lafleur.wfi-inc.com

Hi, Can one of the vaxheads help me with this one.... I have a 3100 who's monitor just died and I want to use a terminal emulator for it until I replace the monitor (should be here in a few days). I know that I have to change one of the dip switches inside but which??? And what's the pinout of the serial printer port (that *is* also the terminal output, right?) ??? I'd kill to get my hands on some original documentation/manuals for either my 3100's or 3200. BTW, the 3100 in question is a 38. Thanks, Aaron

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On Flames and Mailing lists, and a bit about computer

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Vintage computer: I just became the custodian of a NorthStar Horizon < sporting four (count 'em) massive 64KB ram boards. Giving breath to < those memory boards is a four port serial board, a floppy controller < driving a 5 1/4" full height floppy drive, and a ST-506 interface hard < drive controller driving a hdd which I don't as yet have identified. < Of course it is powered by a Z-80A workhorse. This baby also sports a < lovely brushed aluminum front panel and I believe is one of the later They are good workhorse s100 machines. < production model Horizons as it has a red led on the front panel (the < Horizons I've seen in the old Byte Magazines from the late 1970's < don't have an led pictured). They all did, only the proto didn't. < Does anybody have any details on the history of NorthStar? I would < appreciate any ideas on where I might reseach their history. I built mine in early 1978 and it's celebrating it's 20th year! What do you need to know. Northstar* is long gone. The hardware refuses to die. Allison

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On Flames and Mailing lists, and a bit about computer

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Let's all take a minute to digest a new daily affirmation/mantra: Vintage computers.... Vintage computers.... Vintage computers.... Vintage computers.... Vintage computer: I just became the custodian of a NorthStar Horizon sporting four (count 'em) massive 64KB ram boards. Giving breath to those memory boards is a four port serial board, a floppy controller driving a 5 1/4" full height floppy drive, and a ST-506 interface hard drive controller driving a hdd which I don't as yet have identified. Of course it is powered by a Z-80A workhorse. This baby also sports a lovely brushed aluminum front panel and I believe is one of the later production model Horizons as it has a red led on the front panel (the Horizons I've seen in the old Byte Magazines from the late 1970's don't have an led pictured). Does anybody have any details on the history of NorthStar? I would appreciate any ideas on where I might reseach their history. Thanks- Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: On Flames and Mailing lists, and a bit about computers Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 3/19/98 3:19 PM Here we go again......you'll never learn from past experience, will you? enrico Jack Peacock wrote: > > Enrico Tedeschi wrote: > >I feel that ANY rule in ANY organization is wrong. > > > >In the case of mailing lists or newsgroups if messages are off > topic than > >either the senders are not answered OR the recipients who do > not agree move > >away from that list or newsgroup. There no need to police and > policing: they > >should be self adjusting. History has proved time and time > again that > >centralized and fascist societies do not last long and do come > to and end > >(often abruptedly). > > Good heavens, another libertarian anarchist. It's people like > you who build computers in your garage instead of accepting that > only billion dollar corporations have the resources to build > computer products. Where would Bill Gates be today if he > believed in ideals like that? Why, he'd be worth billions of > dollars....hmm....wait a second, that didn't come out right. > Jack Peacock -- ======================================================== Enrico Tedeschi, 54 Easthill Drive, Brighton BN41 2FD, UK Tel/fax(+01273) 701650 (24 hours) and 0498 692465 (mobile) please visit my website at: <http://www.brighton-uk.com> ======================================================== ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Mar19.151936.1767.32963; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:19:36 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id MAA19677; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:06:26 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id MAA33526 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:06:08 -0800 Received: from andromeda.ndirect.co.uk (andromeda.ndirect.co.uk [194.74.254.17]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id MAA08134 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:06:06 -0800 Received: from ndirect.co.uk (th-pm01-62.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.225.126]) by andromeda.ndirect.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA07413 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:06:01 GMT Message-Id: <35117ADB.AAF0B296(a)ndirect.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:06:58 +0000 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Enrico Tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: On Flames and Mailing lists, and a bit about computers References: <00e101bd5369$84f3bec0$14ac31cf(a)jack.simconv.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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On Flames and Mailing lists, and a bit about computers

by peacock＠simconv.com

Enrico Tedeschi wrote: >I feel that ANY rule in ANY organization is wrong. > >In the case of mailing lists or newsgroups if messages are off topic than >either the senders are not answered OR the recipients who do not agree move >away from that list or newsgroup. There no need to police and policing: they >should be self adjusting. History has proved time and time again that >centralized and fascist societies do not last long and do come to and end >(often abruptedly). Good heavens, another libertarian anarchist. It's people like you who build computers in your garage instead of accepting that only billion dollar corporations have the resources to build computer products. Where would Bill Gates be today if he believed in ideals like that? Why, he'd be worth billions of dollars....hmm....wait a second, that didn't come out right. Jack Peacock

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On Flames and Mailing lists, and a bit about computers

by spc＠armigeron.com

I'm surprised that it took so little time for this list to get to this point. Another list I'm on took about two years for it to reach critical mass before it exploded into three additional mailing lists, all covering the same topic (with the result of many hurt feelings, a list that only lasted about six months before it imploded, with the original list still going strong). As I said to Sam in some private mail I sent to him: I'm not sure what can be done, but if the topic of a mailing list is held too tightly, eventually it'll die (like one of the mailing list I host now, although there are some other reasons for that as well) as there is little or nothing new being added. ... I don't want to seem overly pessimistic, and yes, perhaps the topics have drifted off a bit too much, but actions like yours (and I'm not trying to blame or pin anything on you, this is just my observations from about 5 years of being on several mailing lists (almost all of them high volume)) tend to do more harm over time than good, by splitting the community up, causing confusion, ill feelings and political overtones. And yet it continues (and Sam, in your reply to the above you appear sane and rational, yet your diatribes on the list show a completely different side, and one that isn't very flattering). Bill may "own" the current list, but that still doesn't prevent anyone >from starting up a new list dedicated to the same topic, only time and resources. And perhaps against my better judgment, I'm doing such a thing (Lord help me), and so let it be. If Sam feels that he can run a list better than Bill, or even I, then he is certainly free to start his own and see who signs up. Much like I am doing now. It's there. If no one subscribes and this list continues to flurish, so be it. If, on the other hand, my list takes off and this one dies, so be it. Currently, the only person subscribed is me. I'm not going to add people, it's up to you. To subscribe, send a message to classiccomp-request(a)lists.armigeron.com with a subject line of 'subscribe' (you might want to put this on the first line of the body as well). That's it. You'll then recieve a welcome message describing the rules and regulations of the list, as well as the unsubscribe rules. If you don't like the rules, we can talk, or you can walk. Simple, eh? -spc (We shall see ... )

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Irreverence to irrelevance

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Joe Thiemann <jthiemann(a)castleton.com> wrote: >A private news server is a Bad Thing for those of us sitting at >work with a firewall inbetween ourselves and the net. I do not think I >will have much success convincing the firewall admins to allow news >traffic to go through. You're behind a firewall that doesn't let you read news? Why do your admins let you read mail - why, you could read a *virus* by accident! :-) Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> >Good idea in a way but my days back as a SysOp on my own private Fidonet BBS >shows these closed areas/news servers to be VERY boring. I've been on Compuserve since the early 80s, and I tend to like their style of management. The forum managers tend to rule with a very light hand, in the style of a good bartender. (Another factor I believe helped raise the quality of patron was CIS's $/hour fees. :-) Sam wrote: >Ok fine. Until I'm able to take over ClassicCmp completely, we can put a >few issues to a vote. Huh? "Supporters of democracy deserve to get it, good and hard." Please, Sam, it's within your ken to set up and administer a mailing list, and you can even moderate it, which will probably take more than an hour a day, and people will complain when you don't do it fast enough. Sound like fun yet? Life being what it is, you'll probably revert to the "sit back and let the flames die on their own" approach to list management, which works pretty well, considering the alternatives. Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > After all, I've been talking about Weller soldering >irons, HP LogicDarts (which are far too new to be called classics), >ASR33's (which, although old, are not computers), etc. I'm sorry. I had no idea that my questions about the ASR-33 would be considered off-topic by anyone. My 70s computer experiences were nearly defined by I/O through these beasts, and they were certainly a popular interface for DEC and S-100 era computers, so I thought they were supremely on-topic! - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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Northstar S100 compatability

by simon＠nenevr.demon.co.uk

Hi there, guys. I've been lurking on this list for a good long while now, and some of the recent talk of Northstar crates actually prompted me to dig one out that I had aquired a good few years ago and promptly forgotten about...! Does anyone have any idea what sort of RAM cards the Horizon likes to play with? My system already has an (albeit flakey) RAM-16 card, and I have the remains of an old Godbout Econoram-II card, sans about half its chips. I have *no* idea whether this card was ever used with the N*. The machine is not in great condition, bless it; it seems to have been robbed of a couple of voltage regulators at some point in the past, and the full-height 5.25 drives are, I fear, past their best, and shall be retired gracefully. I think that the PSU could do with some adjustment, too; if anyone in the UK has schematics for any of these bits, and would be willing to make copies in exchange for money or eternal gratitude, please let me know! Still, despite it's problems, I suppose I should at least be grateful that I have at least found a manufacturer of hard-sectored diskettes! [1] Thanks. Simon. -- Simon Coombs simon(a)nenevr.demon.co.uk Don't stand on ceremony; just bow low. CP/M - The once and future O/S! [1] Or, at least, they still were as of Jul 97.

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Symbolics 3650.. and Toobs!

by prp＠hf.intel.com

> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:41:49 -0700 > From: Jack Harper <jharper(a)bs2000.com> > To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Subject: Symbolics 3650.. > > Question - I very recently obtained a Symbolics 3650 lisp machine -- along > with six large boxes of associated 'stuff'. With luck, I hope to get this > beast back to life -- it apparently worked prior to being shipped to me (by > truck) but I obviously expect some problems. Does anyone on the List have > any experience or have any available spare parts or documentation -- or, > most important, actual experience with Symbolics lisp machines??? I also have a big Symbolics and supposedly some documentation, but I haven't opened any of the boxes so I don't know whats there. I don't have any experience with these machines and don't expect to be able to try mine any time soon, but other than that would be happy to share experiences. I also have contacts in a shop that ran them fairly recently, but they are a startup (of sorts) so don't have spare time to hold our hands. Corresponded with a fellow who has a complete listing of LISP 1.5, we talked about how to get it into machine readable form so it could run on a 7090 emulator. Definitely something I'd like to see happen. If you run across any LISP on 7-track tape I can read it. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:12:28 -0500 (EST) > From: William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> > To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Subject: Toobs! > > I now have sitting on my desk six modules from an IBM 700 series > mainframe, destined for the Mill at RCS/RI. Of course, six modules does > not make a computer, but I think we should at least try them out, just to > see how badly they perform. If they are from a 704, 705 or 709 or ancillary equipment I may have module diagrams. Look for a 4-digit number rubber stamped on the metal on the tube side, also there may be a 6-digit part number. To get an idea of what machine they might be from list the tube types. For instance, the higher performance 704/709 modules used mostly 5965's in the processor. Also look at the parts on the sides, logic modules have resistors and lots of diodes and maybe a few inductors. Other modules will have few or no diodes. One common module from card equipment has a small double row of core memory in the middle near the connector. Paul Pierce http://www.teleport.com/~prp/collect/

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Confidential E-mail

by bcw＠u.washington.edu

If I send any of you messages, I would expect that they will be held in confidentiality. I will certainly give the list a chance to input before making any decisions. If I wished to communicate to everyone, I would post to the list. -------------------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson bcw(a)u.washington.edu Network Administrator (425) 352-5209 University of Washington - Bothell Help Desk: 2-5275

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Running Classiccmp

by bcw＠u.washington.edu

Yesterday I began talking to people about taking over list functions. The response has been amazing and overwhelming. Before making any decisions, I am going to go over the list archives and attempt to read the list for a week or two to get a feel for what's going on. If you have strong feelings about how the list should be run, or by whom it should be run, please e-mail me directly. -------------------------------------------------------- Bill Whitson bcw(a)u.washington.edu Network Administrator (425) 352-5209 University of Washington - Bothell Help Desk: 2-5275

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Robots again

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

:::cautiously leaving bomb shelter in order to post::: back in the 1980s, i came across a book that also had a design for a robot dog but i think this was a different book. it was built around a 8085A and 8155 support chips, totally wire wrapped and included schematics for building a programmer to program the robot dog itself. i never did get around tuit, but would have been fun to build. why didnt robots catch on as big as computers did? i remember robots were the thing back in the 1980s like the web is now but never really gained critical mass. there were a few models made, ( hero 1 and 2, rb5x, et al) but nothing really caught on. ::returning to bomb shelter, continuing to delete 97% of classiccmp messages for the moment::: In a message dated 98-03-18 21:28:38 EST, you write: << > >I have here a book from the Philips Technical Library called 'Practical > >Robot Circuits' published in 1960. The first half of this book contains > >the design for a robot 'dog' using essentially an analogue control > system > >(mostly amplifiers and comparators) to process the signals from various > >sensors (photocells, microphones, thermistors, etc). The outputs of the > What can this "dog" do? Does it have any kind of interesting > abilities? Not a lot. To keep it simple there's no 'learning by experience' (the book does mention this in passing) or large memory stores (using only valves and relays, that's not suprising). Looking quickly at the book I can find : 1) Detecting/following a light source (turning its 'head' towards it, moving towards it). 2) Detecting a sequence of 2 tones (its 'name') and coming towards the sound source 3) Detecting that it's walked into something and backing off. 4) Detecting a hot object ('food'), turning its 'head' towards it, licking it. 5) Using a sonar (accoustical radar) system to detect objects and avoid them OK, trivial compared to what can be done with even a PIC microcontroller. But I'd still like to make one one day.... >>

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Osborne OCC 1 Drive C:

by adept＠mcs.com

I just acquired a couple of Osborne 1's and one of the two of them has a Drive C: in it. I got some docs with the boxes but nothing describing this exciting little add-on. I've scoured the classic computer mailing list archives and I've found a previous question (from may of last year) on just this topic, unfortunately nobody really knew anything then. Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated. Cheers and thanks, Dan ps -- I'm currently in dire need of a CRT for a TRS-80 Model 12.

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DING DING! Back to your corners... WAS: Re: Irreverence to irrelevance

by lfb107＠psu.edu

At 04:12 AM 3/19/98 GMT, Bill Richman wrote: >How many do you need? I've got about 15 that aren't doing anything >important. I bought two of the SQ drives when they first came out, >sank a bundle into the cartridges, and then they flaked out on me. >One drive had some kind of head crash and started eating cartridges, >and the other one just ceased to function. Frankly, I was not >impressed. Perhaps their new products are better. Do you know of any >way to re-format a SQ disk that has been bulk-erased? I had this >bright idea several years ago that maybe just completely clearing the >disks by bulk-erasing would be a good thing. I'm thinking now that I >obliterated some factory tracks that the drive can't reproduce. >Ideas? To tell you the truth, I don't know the first thing about these drives. I just got one for free a whilke ago and was really just wondering if the damn thing worked or not. I'll let you know what i find out tho... Les

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Finding machines (was: Question for the Faq)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:48 PM 3/17/98 -0600, you wrote: >be asked again - What are the top ten hotspots for finding old >equipment? In no particular order: Friends and Family (and the companies they work for) Thrift shops Garage Sales Dumpsters Surplus dealers Internet (this list, especially) hamfests/swapmeets/fleamarkets classified ads typewriter/office equipment repair businesses Okay, that's only nine. Sorry. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Symbolics 3650..

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Jack Harper <jharper(a)bs2000.com> wrote: >Question - I very recently obtained a Symbolics 3650 lisp machine -- along >with six large boxes of associated 'stuff'. > Does anyone on the List have >any experience or have any available spare parts or documentation -- or, >most important, actual experience with Symbolics lisp machines??? I know of them from the computer graphics market. (I'd love to get one, if you have two. :-) I think the 3D modeling / rendering software was sold off to various other companies (Triple-I / Autologic) and these days at least the concept of a Lisp-based modeler can be found at www.nichimen.com . The symbolics.com domain is still registered, and by reading between the lines of some messages I found, I think it's owned by some Symbolics enthusiasts or employees in Princeton Junction, NJ. There is/was apparently a related newsgroup or mailing list. Go to www.dejanews.com and search "info.slug" (with the quotes). I found a message that said that Symbolics had laid off its last three employees just this past January, and that the lawyers are fighting over the assets. Good start on your Lisp history page. I have one for UCSD Pascal. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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Bulk erased SyQuest carts WAS: Re: DING DING!

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I've got a spare SQ 555 as well as about a dozen carts that I'd be willing to let go... a trade for something nifty would be great! - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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Web page lists

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Hi, folks, Like most of the list subscribers, I'm a scrounge. To this end, I've placed on my web page listings of electronics and computer-related surplus stores and swap meets in Washington and (northern, Bay Area) California. Oregon (Portland and Vicinity) will be added as soon as I can swing a survey trip there. Hoping these listings may be of use to at least a couple of you, the URL is: http://www2.jps.net/~kyrrin Or... http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin Enjoy... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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