- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 04:04 PM 10/16/97 -0800, you wrote: >If people are interested in this class of machines, I've got 4 >VS2000's currently being used as doorstops. They have a mix And I've got a Dec Rainbow 100 available if anyone's interested. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Kaypro 10

by oklapokes＠worldnet.att.net

I Would Like A Picture Of The Kaypro 10 Email That File To Oklapokes(a)worldnet.att.net> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > [Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread > Index] > > Kaypro 10 needs home > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > * Subject: Kaypro 10 needs home > * From: DASARNO(a)aol.com > * Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:58:07 -0400 (EDT) > * Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > * Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Have a mint condition Kaypro 10, complete with all manuals. Looks like it > came out of the box. Works great, all original software. > > If you know of anyone who has a serious interest, please e-mail me. > > Don Sarno > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * Prev by Date: Re: Bad Feelings... > * Next by Date: Re: Bad Feelings... > * Prev by thread: Re: Apple ][ design (was: Bad feelings) > * Next by thread: Re: Kaypro 10 needs home > * Index(es): > o Date > o Thread

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Rescue Required - San Diego, CA

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

Gentlemen, I have a solid lead on a VAXstation 2000, a VT-220, a VT-240, and a Rainbow which require rescue in the San Diego area. If anybody is interested, please let me know at my personal address and I'll forward the information on. The machines are available for "the Right Price" and come with doco. ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum | ICBM: N42:22 W71:47 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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IBM 3101 terminals

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> I take it youve already divested yourself of wife, kids ,and cats > hmmm ? ; ^ )) Never had any of those! (although I'd quite like a cat!) Biggest coup I pulled was when I persuaded my parents to pay L10000 towards buying my house, just to get my collection out of theirs. Philip.

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Atari PC's

by thedm＠sunflower.com

20 is pretty much my limit for anything. Hey got a Black Apple finally! and picked up a Midi Card for the //e by "Practical Designs" Anyone have any software or know anything about it? ---------- > From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)crl.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Atari PC's > Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 3:33 PM > > At 07:34 PM 10/15/97 -0800, you wrote: > >>Ran across an Atari PC for sale at: > > >You gotta give the guy credit for trying, this is the second time he's had > >this thing up there. No one seems to want to place a minimum bid of $100 > > Yeah, I didn't byte. I've got a couple of different Atari PC cases (empty) > gathering dust in my basement, but I think if it were reasonably priced, (as > in < $20) I'd pick it up. > > Now, if only I'd had the $ to buy the Atari PC Laptop I saw once... > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Atari PC's

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 07:34 PM 10/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >>Ran across an Atari PC for sale at: >You gotta give the guy credit for trying, this is the second time he's had >this thing up there. No one seems to want to place a minimum bid of $100 Yeah, I didn't byte. I've got a couple of different Atari PC cases (empty) gathering dust in my basement, but I think if it were reasonably priced, (as in < $20) I'd pick it up. Now, if only I'd had the $ to buy the Atari PC Laptop I saw once... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Allright Experts

by sinasohn＠crl.com

>Here is a really crazy way to get your display that I've used. I've got a >PowerMac 8500/180 which is one of the AV capable Macs. Just for kicks one >day I decided to set up one of my computers up using it for the Display. >Works great, now on my 20" monitor I can have any of the cool computer from >the 80's in a window. Beat's playing with emulators :^) The only problem >is the two keyboards (and sometimes mice), and you can't cut and paste >between the two :^) Totally cool! Hey Rachel, can I bring some computers over to your place? Actually, ya know what, I know your place is kinda crowded, so I will graciously offer to store your PowerMac 8500/180AV at my place... 8^) [for the classiccmp crowd: Rachel is my girlfriend with the cool mac] --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Heroic solutions

by engine＠chac.org

At 08:54 10/16/97 BST, Philip wrote: >Biggest coup I pulled was when I persuaded my parents to pay L10000 >towards buying my house, just to get my collection out of theirs. Good one. I started a Federal nonprofit educational charity to get my collection out of mine.... It kinda got more complicated than I thought it would ;-) __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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UPS Shipping

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

> Yeah, my local UPS service desk implemented these rules 4 or 5 > months ago. I understand, to some extent, UPS's position: they've > been hit by many damage claims over the past couple years by clueless > morons shipping PC-clone type hardware. I, of course, feel > that the rules should be different when the object that I'm shipping > is solid steel and over twenty years old. That doesn't matter to > the UPS droids; it's a "computer part" and they won't ship it. Odd that they can't have a waiver of responsibility. Usually the only thing I'm worried about is losing the package. > 1. Avoid the UPS desk and ship through a "Mailboxes" type place or > (if you're lucky) your employer. The "Mailboxes" type places can > charge substantially more than the actual UPS costs, in many cases. The person at the UPS counter actually recommended this. They do charge that shipping fee though. > 2. Avoid UPS and use USPS or FedEx. USPS or FedEx are far more intelligent > choices for shipping between the US and Canada - they don't charge > a minimum of $30-$40 in processing fees for items with values less than > $5, for starters! For Canada USPS is great. For domestic, they're more expensive. I just think they need to rewrite their guidelines to allow for this stuff. If I was shipping a nice laptop or something extremely valuable, FedEx would definetly be worth it! I think another way would be to pay the one time $5 pickup fee for home pickup. Save all the boxes for one pickup. The counter person said they only do the inspections for counter dropoffs. Interesting. She said they paid out like $800k in computer insurance claims. Then a supervisor saw a usenet post about "getting your computer fixed cheap". Supposedly outlining a way to ship it UPS then file a claim. I see their point but I wonder how much they're losing in business? See, it's that evil internet again. Greg

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Bell & Howell making Apples?

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:50 PM 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >> Disk]['s. Did Apple license Bell & Howell to make these machines? If they >> did, did they license other companies as well? > >Yes and they were all black. I don't think Apple ever licensed the design >to any other company, and I'm surprised that they even licensed it at all. My money says that Apple licensed the II to B&H as a way of getting into schools. B&H made projectors and such for the school market and so buyers are far more likely to buy a Bell and Howell computer than some machine from some company nobody ever heard of. And once the computers were in place, Apple could get in the door by selling Bell and Howell clones... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Info on things old wanted...

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > IBM card machine may be > pre-computer (programmed by plugboards, etc.). > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > WHOAH here !! Just a minute !! Are you trying to say that anything > without a LSI chip or integrated circuit-board is a "pre-computer" ? Eeek! What's it got to do with LSI? Surely that just means that computers started with the Manchester Small Scale Experimental Machine in 1948? (For details, see http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/prog98/ ) Personally, I think that the later (Ferranti?) machines with ferrite plug programming were also computers, but there you are... Philip.

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Atari PC's

by sinasohn＠crl.com

For those who thought Atari only made proprietary stuff... Ran across an Atari PC for sale at: <http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?item_id=201429746> Seems to be a ebay-style auction site. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Wait...

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I may have saved myself - don't unsub me yet - this might work out...

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

I picked up a copy of this book, as it seems quite handy. It has lots of info on older, long since discontinued drives. The local MicroCenter here in Dallas has a giant pile of them for something like $5 each; it says list $49.99 so this may be a bargain. If there is any interest, I could pick up a few to send elsewhere. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist

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Well, this is it.

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I'm quitting my job. I'll be saving all my PDP stuff, minus the rack (Can't haul it, probably losing it.) Please unsubscribe me from the list. I'll resub when I get my new mail address. Good luck to all. Daniel Seagraves

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Hard Drive Bible, 8th edition

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

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Old PC Mag article + Bit Rot

by rcini＠email.msn.com

This weekend, my uncle gave me issues #2 and #3 of PC Magazine, in addition to issue 1 of PC World. Anywa, issues 2 and 3 of PC Mag had a great article on the Altair which carried over from issue 1 and continued forward. Does anyone have copies of the other parts of the article?? Second, on the topic of bit rot, what is the "BRQ" (bit-rot quotient, or time to bit rot) for older 5-1/4" diskettes and EPROMS? Third, does anyone have a copy of Copy-II-PC? Thanks again! Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

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Old PC Mag article + Bit Rot

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Richard A. Cini said: > Second, on the topic of bit rot, what is the "BRQ" (bit-rot quotient, or time to bit rot) for older 5-1/4" diskettes and EPROMS? The whole "BRQ" thing had been discussed shortly after the beginning of the list, and most of the wonderful suggestions/opinions/facts/data exists in a FAQ that was created from many of the first discussions... Unforch, I haven't a URL really handy... Bill Whitson should know of it's location, tho. Hey-ho Bill--- are you up and around yet??? May have the URL at home, but Wifey wants shelves up tonite... I guess I won't be dialing in this evening........ HTH, tho it's not much I know, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?

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UPS Shipping

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Has anyone else had to deal with the new UPS guidelines? Our shipping > counter has introduced new guidelines for shipping computers. Any > computer must be double boxed and packed in 4" of foam. Ok fine. But you > can't use peanuts. Oh, and if it's a computer that works, it will be > unpacked, tested, repacked then shipped. If it doesn't work it will be > returned to you. Good luck. Ouch! But I've not heard of UPS (apart from as an abbreviation for Uninterruptible Power Supply). Is this a shipping company, a regulatory body or something else? > I see the point if they were checking $500 laptops or more. Most stuff I > ship is valued at $30 or less. But there are no limits on value for this > procedure. I figured it was worth the chance of paying a $30 claim for > them not to go through all that. But all computer products and possibly > all electronic products will be inspected. Brilliant! What if I'm not a hacker? My computer breaks down. I ship it to the manufacturer for repair. Oh dear, it's just been returned to me - they can't ship it because it failed on test... > On top of this, all computer parts like keyboards, etc must be packed > individually and shipped individually. Nothing like 2x, 3x, > 4x...shipping costs. So much for those lots of extra parts. Splendid! What about the IBM System/23 that fails diagnostics if the printer isn't connected (although this can be bypassed)? What if I do ship the keyboard separately for some obscure machine? How are they going to test it then? Will they even know which keyboard belongs to which computer? Not easy to tell at a glance (say) a PS/2 keyboard from an RS/6000 one (don't ask how I found that out!) > I think I'll be writing "household goods" or "books" on my shipments > from now on. Either that or start sending my stuff there for the "$5 > testing special"! Basically this sounds like some well-meaning bureaucrat making rules before thinking through the implications. How about "computer parts" for a shipment description, though? It's accurate for a computer, an incomplete computer, a broken computer or a box of computers... Philip. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Das Feuer brennt, das Feuer nennt die Luft sein Schwesterelement - und frisst sie doch (samt dem Ozon)! Das ist die Liebe, lieber Sohn. Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk

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Update on finds for those that asked and a big rescue coming

by william＠ans.net

> HP3000 types and a couple of stripped down mainframes (not IBM's). Do tell... William Donzelli william(a)ans.net

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UPS Shipping

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

Has anyone else had to deal with the new UPS guidelines? Our shipping counter has introduced new guidelines for shipping computers. Any computer must be double boxed and packed in 4" of foam. Ok fine. But you can't use peanuts. Oh, and if it's a computer that works, it will be unpacked, tested, repacked then shipped. If it doesn't work it will be returned to you. Good luck. I see the point if they were checking $500 laptops or more. Most stuff I ship is valued at $30 or less. But there are no limits on value for this procedure. I figured it was worth the chance of paying a $30 claim for them not to go through all that. But all computer products and possibly all electronic products will be inspected. On top of this, all computer parts like keyboards, etc must be packed individually and shipped individually. Nothing like 2x, 3x, 4x...shipping costs. So much for those lots of extra parts. I think I'll be writing "household goods" or "books" on my shipments >from now on. Either that or start sending my stuff there for the "$5 testing special"!

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I am the proud owner of a Timex Sinclair 1500 with 2050 modem, and im American enough since I have my own firearm. Now be nice. ---------- > From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 8:53 AM > > oh jeez, not again! didnt we have this holy war for several weeks earlier > this year about something similar? put it in private, please! > > david > > In a message dated 97-10-15 02:22:33 EDT, you write: > > << Sam Ismail wrote: > > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, e.tedeschi wrote: > > > > > OK, even if it is the second (third, etc.) most sold computer in the > > > world it is still one of the most popular ever produced and it does not > > > > Oh, so you didn't actually check your facts then? > > > > > excuse the complete lack of interest that it gets in the States. USA is > > > NOT the centre of the world, you know. Spectrum clones have been > > > produced in Russia, Portugal, Brasil, Hungaria, Corea and god know where > > > else and surely many are not in any official statistics ...... > > > > Actually, the USA *IS* the centre of the world. And the UNIVERSE for > > that matter. And we *HATE* the Spectrum in the USA. The Spectrum is > > un-American, and we American's hate things that aren't American, because > > America is the BEST! > > > > And don't you forget that you euro-trash! > > > Here we go again....if it makes you happy..... > > I am still waiting for your answer abotu the Spectrum exhibit. > > Thank you > > enrico > > There you go, Enrico. The abuse you are screaming out for. >>

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System statistics debate

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

Gentlemen, Perhaps I can calm the waters a little by pointing out that the statistical claims made by Sinclair regarding the ZX and Spectrum computers were quite probably true AT THAT TIME. Numbers have a habit of changing over time especially when companies go bankrupt. So any such claims must always be considered in the context that they were made. I would presume that the IBM PC and its clones probably handily wins the statistical race today, but we can always hope that that will change in the future ;-) -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

oh jeez, not again! didnt we have this holy war for several weeks earlier this year about something similar? put it in private, please! david In a message dated 97-10-15 02:22:33 EDT, you write: << Sam Ismail wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, e.tedeschi wrote: > > > OK, even if it is the second (third, etc.) most sold computer in the > > world it is still one of the most popular ever produced and it does not > > Oh, so you didn't actually check your facts then? > > > excuse the complete lack of interest that it gets in the States. USA is > > NOT the centre of the world, you know. Spectrum clones have been > > produced in Russia, Portugal, Brasil, Hungaria, Corea and god know where > > else and surely many are not in any official statistics ...... > > Actually, the USA *IS* the centre of the world. And the UNIVERSE for > that matter. And we *HATE* the Spectrum in the USA. The Spectrum is > un-American, and we American's hate things that aren't American, because > America is the BEST! > > And don't you forget that you euro-trash! > Here we go again....if it makes you happy..... I am still waiting for your answer abotu the Spectrum exhibit. Thank you enrico > There you go, Enrico. The abuse you are screaming out for. >>

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Keypunch fro 96 column cards

by hans1＠filan00.grenoble.hp.com

James Willing asked: > Now, while the System 3 had a reader/punch for these cards, I can't for > the life of me ever remember seeing a stand-alone keypunch unit for this > format card. I may be showing my age here ;-) but I definitely have used a 96 column card punch. That would have been soon after I joined Burroughs in the early '70s. It was most certainly a Burroughs or Burroughs badged product. As far as finding any, sorry can't help there. -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 03:52 PM 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote: >> start then do a little search on Sinclair and you will find at least 50 >> sites dedicated to the Spectrum. English is not the most widely used And how many C64 sites would show up? Of course, I'd gladly trade you half a dozen C64's for just about any Sinclair... Regardless of whatever, can we remove some of the chips from shoulders and just get on with collecting computers? Or, if you all want to duke it out, send me all your computers first so you don't get blood on them. Then go somewhere else. > language in the world either (Mandarin is). It might not be connected > but it IS relevant to the point. In 1987, the population of china increased by 15 million. Meanwhile, the entire population of Australia in 1987 was 15 million. (Doncha just love Pop-up video?) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Bell & Howell Apple

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

Having just seen some ads for them in older BYTE Magazines, the B&H ads stated that their Apples had only two differences, a black case and a much longer warranty (sometimg like a year or two longer then Apple's), As I recall they cost a little more too. ===-=?=-=-=-=?=-=-===?======?=-=-=?=-=====-==== Also will have a seemingly dead "original Mac" (model number M0001) for sale at the swap, my wife asked me to buy it and after I did she learned it is not a machine you can do much on the internet with, much less have it "read" your newsgroup/E-mail captures... Too divergent >from my Commodore collection and have no desire to convert it to a fish tank (I hear many older Macs suffered that fate) so it goes to swap. ;) Commodore information pages. I've almost got almost all the pics scanned and still have a few more pages of history but it will be done in time Sam. (it should look nice, color inkjet!) BTW I am just going through the 8-bits, Early Commodore History, as well as a few scans/copies of older promotional literature, should be a treat for the Commodore fan to peruse. (It reminds me of all the promotional flyers I had tossed in my youth, a Commodore PET glassy ad in color... A VIC-20 color glossy sheet, and of course, that stack of Creative Computings and Electronic Games magazines **ouch!** just kicked myself again...) Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write-ups

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 05:35 AM 10/13/97 -0400, you wrote: >the North American readers should try to get a group together to order >Euro machines in bulk for shipment. All of the common ones and some of >If we shipped in bulk, and used actual ocean-going vessels for shipment, >how expensive would this kind of venture be? I know people who ship container-loads (and less) of Land Rover parts over >from across the pond all the time, for not too significant amounts. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Mac stuff (was: Wanted Misc Parts)

by sinasohn＠crl.com

>I'd also love to get my hands on a IIci system (for real use) and a Mac As an aside, if anyone has Mac stuff they don't want, my girlfriend can always use more computers in her classroom. We especially need monitors, video cards, scsi CD-ROM drives, and hard drives (<100mb is fine.) Any flavor of mac is fine, though IIsi/ci+ is preferred. Of course, if you want to donate a PowerMac... 8^) Also, if there's anyone in the bay area who knows about fixing/tuning monitors, we could sure use some help there. Or, if you know anything about setting up a Mac network, I'm gonna try and do that, so if you want to volunteer to answer questions, drop me a note too. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Need Apple II GS Software

by bpvh＠primenet.com

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Need Apple II GS Software

by bpvh＠primenet.com

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IBM 3101 terminals

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Mike Thompson wrote: > It wasn't until yesterday's topic of "Those pesky db15 ports" that I > remembered a couple of terminals that I hauled home recently. > The terminals have a DB15 for both the monitor and keyboard. > > Anyway, I hauled home a couple of IBM 3101 terminals. They > consist of a base unit, a monitor, and a keyboard. From the ID > tags they appear to be around 1980 vintage. Unusually for IBM stuff at this date, they are both (a) designed to plug into a mainframe and (b) ASCII. AFAIK, they were used as the system console on some of the big 370 derivatives at that date (4300 series and 3080 series) If I had space, I'd be tempted to offer one a home. But I haven't :-( Philip. PS Are you sure the connectors aren't DA15?

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Keypunch for 96 column cards?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Ok gang, A discussion over the last few days got me thinking, so I need some assistance here. IBM introduced the 96 column 'soda-cracker' punch cards (example on my web pages if you need a bit of memory jogging) as the new form when they introduced the 'System 3' computer series. Now, while the System 3 had a reader/punch for these cards, I can't for the life of me ever remember seeing a stand-alone keypunch unit for this format card. So, the question(s): was there such a thing, what was the model number, and has anyone seen one in the Oregon area that might be obtainable??? (and... since I missed the last one to come by... has anyone seen an IBM 129 keypunch (std. 80 column cards) in the Oregon area that might be obtainable?) Thanks -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Bell & Howell making Apples?

by alanr＠morgan.ucs.mun.ca

A friend of mine showed me a picture today in one of her text books of kids using what appeared to be Apple]['s (or Apple//e's, it was a bad picture). However, the name plate on the machines were visible, and they said Bell & Howell. The same for the disk drives, which were obviously Disk]['s. Did Apple license Bell & Howell to make these machines? If they did, did they license other companies as well? Inquiring minds want to know... ---------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________Live from the GLRS The Man From D.A.D ----------------------------------------------------------------

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catching up

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

>Enrico Tedeschi wrote: >.....and what about the SINCLAIR SPECTRUM = the most sold and popular >computer ever produced in the world? I think it should be at least >listed in here! >Sam Ismail wrote: >Sure Enrico. Please do a write-up for the Spectrum. Also if you could, >please send a Sinclair Spectrum .......... >And I will be most happy to add it to the exhibition. They're pretty >hard to find over here in the sates. Sam, You know I have a few Spectrums, Spectrum+s, and a Spectrum+3 in my collection. I showed them to you. >Jason R. Brady wrote: > I've been making the rounds of Seattle-area thrift stores. Not much > CP/M stuff, mostly PC compatible. Found....... > How does this compare to thrift stores in other areas of the country? In the S.F.Bay Area, I find the best "finds" at a chain called Thrift Town. I think it's because they aren't picky about what they accept as donations. > Frank McConnell wrote: >I guess it's time for one of those questions I still don't have a good >answer for. Where the foo has all the SS-50 stuff gone? Or is it still >hiding? Or is it just not here in Sillycon Valley? Did anyone else besides Gimix and SWTPC produce SS-50 or SS-30 bus cards? I'm still looking for a 6800 processor card for my SWTP 6800. >Sam Ismail wrote: >I have some questions. First, I'm assuming mine is a later revision >because the motherboard has a date of 1990 on it. The CPU is a 68040. A couple of years ago I bought a NeXT motherboard with a 030 at foothill. It came in the box for a 040 "Upgrade kit" motherboard. >Sam Ismail wrote: >Ok, my NeXT cube is still booting. It keeps saying... I have a book called "The NeXT Book", covers hardware and software. Want to borrow it? For Trade: =================================== One very nice book for anyone interested in computer generated music. "Music by Computer", John Wiley and Sons,1969,139 pages,hardbound,dustcover edited by Heinz Von Foerster and James W. Beauchamp This book was started from papers submitted to the "Computers in Music" session at the 1966 Fall Joint Computer Conference in San Francisco. Authors are James W. Beauchamp, Herbert Brun, M. David Freedman, Lejaren Hiller, M.V. Mathews, J.R.Pierce, J.K.Randall, Arthur Roberts, L.Rosler, Gerald Strang, and Heinz Von Foerster. In a pocket in the back cover is four 7" floppy records with a total of 8 sides, containing examples of music and sounds to accompany each paper. The records are in excellent condition, no scratches. Example: "A Computer System for Time-Variant Harmonic Analysis and Synthesis of Musical Tones" James W. Beauchamp Ph.D., Assistant Professor of Electrical Engineering, University of Illinois. The music example is described as: "Musical Instrument Tones Synthetic versus Real Side 8 band 1,2,3 The example consist of a series of comparisons between some musical tones as they were original recorded in a sound chamber and the corresponding tones synthesized by digital computer .......... ..... The synthetic tones were produced by The CSX-1 computer (A/D conversion) A CDC 1604 (analysis) An IBM 7094 (tape conversion) The Illiac II computer (D/A conversion) Three musical instruments were synthesized: the flute,oboe,and cornet." =================================== A programming manual. SAIL August 1976, Stanford Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Memo AIM-289 edited by John F.Reiser. Softcover, plastic "ring" bound, 173 pages The cover has been separated from the manual but otherwise it's in very good condition. "ABSTRACT Sail is a high level programing language for the PDP-10 computer. It includes an extended ALGOL 60 compiler and a companion set of execution- time routines............. This manual describes the Sail language and the execution-time routines for the typical Sail user: a non-novice programmer with some knowledge of ALGOL. It lies somewhere between being a tutorial and a reference manual." ====================================== If anyone cares: Friday night, the TRS-80 user group I belong to held a belated 20th birthday party for the TRS-80 Model I which was introduced August 3rd 1977. There was balloons, coffee, and donuts. Our resident guru first talked about the history. Then he brought out a Model I and went through the evolution of the Model I. Cassette, modem, expansion interface, disk drive, and hard drive. At the break, we had a contest playing lunar lander for the lowest score. The three lowest scores won software. Finds: Last weekend at the Livermore flea market I found a ELF II hiding in a box of junk. So I decided to put togather an ELF exhibit for the show consisting of the ELF II, an ELF home built from the 1977 PE construction articles, a Super ELF and the Super ELF in the S-100 Super Expansion Chassis. A few weeks ago I picked up an Amstrad PPC640 portable computer. Fold down keyboard,fold up LCD display - the only way I can describe it is - very sexxy. Others finds - APF M1000 (video game sys) and about 5 cartridges, a Coleco Telestar Arcade (triangular cartridge - cool), TI99 external floppy controller and external drive (never seen one before). And a DECmate III. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! =========================================

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CC> re: Vintage Computer Festival Writeups

by dastar＠wco.com

Hi all! Just thought I'd drop a note asking how everyone who has committed to do a writeup is doing with it? If you can start sending them my way I'd certainly appreciate it. E-mailing them to dastar(a)wco.com would be fine. Thanks! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Flex for 6809/6800

by bwilliams＠blackbelt.com

Hi. In a web search, I came across your mention of FLEX for the 6809. FYI, I have a complete emulation system - a full boat 6809 machine which boots FLEX, which runs under Win95. There is also an older version that runs under the Amiga OS. You can learn about it (and get it) at: http://www.blackbelt.com/blackbelt/flexem.html -- Ben Williams (ARS AA7AS) email: bwilliams(a)blackbelt.com Black Belt Systems, Inc. State of the Art Image Manipulation Software Versions for: Win 3.1 - Win95 - Win NT (Alpha, MIPS, PowerPC & Intel) Web Pages: http://www.blackbelt.com/blackbelt/bx_top.html FTP: ftp.blackbelt.com/corporate/blackbelt/ Information: info(a)blackbelt.com Support: support(a)blackbelt.com Sales: sales(a)blackbelt.com Marketing: market(a)blackbelt.com

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Bell & Howell making Apples?

by adam＠merlin.net.au

> A friend of mine showed me a picture today in one of her text books of >kids using what appeared to be Apple]['s (or Apple//e's, it was a bad >picture). However, the name plate on the machines were visible, and they >said Bell & Howell. The same for the disk drives, which were obviously >Disk]['s. Did Apple license Bell & Howell to make these machines? If they >did, did they license other companies as well? Apple made the computers, but added the Bell & Howell logo onto them in order to enter the educational market - successfully, one might add. As far as I know it is the only case where Apple redaged their computers. There were also black Disk II drives for the system, but I am not aware of their being a black monitor to go with them. Although they don't exist here, I have heard that they are moderatly common in th US, but others would know better than me. I have been offered one to purchase, but the person making the offer was another one of these people who think that it is so "collectable" that they could ask what they like, for what was no more than a black Apple ][+. They are also commonly know as the Darth Vadar apples. Adam.

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CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write

by manney＠nwohio.com

They would have tp be packed (crated) *very* well, sealed, dessicant, and insured for everything up to and including strep infection of the motherboard. What if the people bang or drop the box? Anyone going over in a sailboat? manney -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Manney <Manney> Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 5:44 AM Subject: Re: CC> Vintage Computer Festival Exhibition Write > ><Beaming in ten days later> > >On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, e.tedeschi wrote: > >> and what about the SINCLAIR SPECTRUM = the most sold and popular >> computer ever produced in the world? I think it should be at least >> listed in here! > >I think "the most sold and popular computer ever produced in the world" >would be the Commodore 64. If we're talking about machines made by a >single manufacturer, anyway. > >I've never, ever, EVER even come CLOSE to seeing a Sinclair Spectrum. >I've only seen pictures in magazines and on the web. > >I'd love to find some of those Euro machines over here in Canada. Maybe >the North American readers should try to get a group together to order >Euro machines in bulk for shipment. All of the common ones and some of >the uncommon ones. We'd need the cooperation of the collectors in Europe, >of course. > >There are tons of machines from Acorn I'd love to have/see, a few from >Sinclair, Oric, etc. > >All I find over here are C64s, VIC-20s, Apple ][s, TI-99s, CoCos, and >occasionally a Kaypro. > >If we shipped in bulk, and used actual ocean-going vessels for shipment, >how expensive would this kind of venture be? > > >Doug Spence >ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca > > >

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11/44 Available in NYC (fwd)

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

An East Coast rescue opportunity... Replys/inquiries to the address shown in the attached message -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:11:27 -0400 From: Bob Schor <bschor(a)vms.cis.pitt.edu> To: Info-PDP11(a)transarc.com Subject: 11/44 Available in NYC I have just turned off a PDP-11/44 which has been pretty much continuously running since the early 1980's (I'm not sure when we got it >from DEC). It is available to anyone who wants it, but you better act fast, as others are itching to get the room it is in (and will probably consign it to the dumpster). There are also two RK06 drives, but we haven't been using them for perhaps a decade (using a Winchester disk on a Dilog MSCP controller). There are also two DZ boards on this system, plus documentation (again, act quickly!). Give me a call or send e-mail ASAP. This machine is located at Rockefeller University in New York City. You would need to Come and Get It ... Bob Schor University of Pittsburgh (412) 647-2116 bschor(a)vms.cis.pitt.edu

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Philips machines (and AMT DAPs)

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

At 09:23 PM 10/12/97 +0100, you wrote: > >I wonder if anyone on this list knows anything about the minicomputers >that Philips were making in the 1970's? They seem to be somewhat uncommon, >even though a lot of different models seem to have been produced. > >Two that I know about are the P850 (a 16 bit machine, with a maximum of 2K >words of Core and 9 I/O slots, all built from discrete TTL), and the P851 >(a later machine using LSI chips (SPALU was the ALU/register slice, PLANET >was the control sequencer, taking a maximum of 32K words of MOS RAM). The >P852, P853, P854, P855 (== P850 with more instructions), P856, P857 and >P860 are all mentioned in passing in the manuals, but I have no real >details > > >The other thing I am trying to find information on is the AMT DAP >(Distributed Array Processor), which seems to have been a square array of >custom single-bit processors. It's a little too recent for this list (it >seems to have come out about 9 years ago), but as it's not a PC, I doubt >anyone will mind discussing it here. > >-tony Just last week I obtained a Philips Micron 2001, with no technical information, and would like to find out something about it. (Circa 1981) Thanks Charlie Fox

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Info on things old wanted...

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 08:48 PM 10/12/97 -0400, William Donzelli wrote: >I received a bit of mail from a buddy: > >>1) IBM 29 card punch + writer machine fitted into a desk > >Does anyone have any information on these two things? My guess is that the >IBM card machine may be pre-computer (programmed by plugboards, etc.). Sounds like an IBM 029 keypunch... (pictures and some notes on my website). -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Tim Hotze Would Like To Join The Mailing List

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hello. I am Tim Hotze, and I would like to join the Classic Computers mailing list. My e-mail adress is photze(a)batelco.com.bh . Thanks, Tim Hotze

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NeXT cube ?

by mhop＠mail.snip.net

> > I finally got a NeXT cube! I got it with a MegaPixel Display for $150. Why is it called a "cube"?

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Apple III and profile HD

by francois.auradon＠worldnet.att.net

Hi, I just got an Apple III with the profile HD. Does anyone knows how I can access the HD? I can boot SOS but from there I'm stuck what is the HD designation? Any info on both the Apple III and the profile HD will be apreciated Thanks. Francois

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Philips machines (and AMT DAPs)

by ard＠odin.phy.bris.ac.uk

I wonder if anyone on this list knows anything about the minicomputers that Philips were making in the 1970's? They seem to be somewhat uncommon, even though a lot of different models seem to have been produced. Two that I know about are the P850 (a 16 bit machine, with a maximum of 2K words of Core and 9 I/O slots, all built from discrete TTL), and the P851 (a later machine using LSI chips (SPALU was the ALU/register slice, PLANET was the control sequencer, taking a maximum of 32K words of MOS RAM). The P852, P853, P854, P855 (== P850 with more instructions), P856, P857 and P860 are all mentioned in passing in the manuals, but I have no real details The other thing I am trying to find information on is the AMT DAP (Distributed Array Processor), which seems to have been a square array of custom single-bit processors. It's a little too recent for this list (it seems to have come out about 9 years ago), but as it's not a PC, I doubt anyone will mind discussing it here. -tony

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Wanted Misc Parts

by mhop＠mail.snip.net

---------- > From: Richard Cini <rcini(a)email.msn.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Wanted Misc Parts > Date: Saturday, October 11, 1997 6:13 PM > > Does anyone have the following Apple stuff for sale?? <stuff deleted> Did you know you sent an attachment with your email? "Richard A Cini.vcf" Why?

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Wanted Misc Parts

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Does anyone have the following Apple stuff for sale?? - System Saver fan for the Apple II+/e - software for the Apple-made Apple II SCSI card - Mac 400k floppy drive (with or without case) - Apple SC20 or equiv. external hard drive (the one originally used with the FatMac; connects to the floppy port) - IBM 5-1/4" floppy drive for the original IBM-PC (which I just got from my uncle). Model is Tandon TM100-2A with a baseplate number of 172289-001. Mine seems to have a short to ground in the spindle motor circuit (board attached to the rear of the drive). Alternatively, if anyone has a repair/serivce manual for that machine or the drive itself, I can make any repairs to it. I'd also love to get my hands on a IIci system (for real use) and a Mac Portable. Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Networking

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Can't find list instructions

by rcini＠email.msn.com

How can I get a copy of a previous list digest? I can't find the message that I saved that had the list instructions!! Rich Cini/WUGNET <rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin! Charter Member (6) - MCP Windows 95/Networking

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SpacStation IPC?

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 10:34 PM 10/10/97 -0300, you wrote: >>recently seen IPC base units without memory or harddrive for sale for $50. >>Even with memory $175 is likely too much. > >I tend to agree, but would first ask what comes with it monitor (color or >mono)? Hard drive? If so, how big? KB/mouse? CD-ROM drive? I kinda thought that was too much... It was $175 for just the box -- no keyboard or monitor or harddrive. This place was kinda overpriced. I think I spent too much as it was. I got the following: Mac Portable (no ps, condition unknown): 40.00 Altima 2 portable (286, mono VGA, works): 45.00 Grid Gridcase 3 (no ps, cond unknown): 45.00 Dash 030 (1 floppy, 1 340mb HD, cond unk): 100.00 6 bay scsi case (no scsi cable, tho): 15.00 AppleCD 300plus: 15.00 External 300ish Scsi hd: 20.00 Some weren't bad, others were... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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SpacStation IPC?

by sinasohn＠crl.com

Does anyone know what a sparcstation IPC is? Is it worth $175.00? (It had four out of 8 SIMM slots on the right (looking from the back) filled in, and another four/4 on the left, and no hard drive.) Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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CC> Sorry for the personal message but...

by dastar＠wco.com

Sorry for this message but I can't seem to get through to Ricardo via his e-mail address (apparently chemif(a)mbox.queen.ti). MESSAGE TO RICARDO: On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Riccardo wrote: > It's a pleasure to help you in building the tech-sheets to be shown in > the Festival > near the machines. > > I have studied your list, and divided in two: for the first I will try > to give you extended informations, for the second, I will give the > specifications I own, ONLY if required (=if anyone will supply complete > infos ). Ricardo, I would very much appreciate if you could do the writeups for ALL of the systems you mentioned. Even if someone else is already doing one, I can always use the extra information. Thank you VERY much! Please have the write-ups done by October 20th if possible. Thanks! > Here follow the first group. > > > MANUFACTURER PRODUCT MODEL WRITEUP > > ---------------------------- --------------------------- ------------ ----------- > Apple Computer Macintosh Plus M0001A > R.Romagnoli > Atari Atari 520ST 520ST > R.Romagnoli > Olivetti M10 > R.Romagnoli > ^^^^^^^^ > (obviously) > > This is the second group: > I think that if anyone else has extended info on those, is better he > will care instead > of me. > Anyway i can give short infos like:CPU,Operating System,available > configurations,video res.,ports,official price at that period here in > Italy. > > If any info will come about these model, please e-mail wich are missing > and I will reply. > > MANUFACTURER PRODUCT MODEL > WRITEUP > ---------------------------- --------------------------- ------------ > -------- > Altos ACS 8000 if needed > Altos ACS > 580 only > Altos ACS > 186 " " > Altos > 3068 " " > Altos > 2086 " " > Altos 5.X > 5.15 " " > Altos 5.X > 5.5 " " > > Apple Computer Lisa 2 > Apple Computer Macintosh Plus M0001A > > Atari Atari 130XE 130XE > Atari Atari 600XL Home Computer 600XL > Atari Atari 800XL 800XL > > Compaq Portable > > > Data General Data General One 2514A > > Epson Geneva PX-8 > Epson Portable Computer HX-20 > > IBM Personal Computer 5150 > > Mattel Electronics Aquarius 5931 > Mindset Mindset PC 1 > > Morrow Designs Pivot Portable I can supply info > only abt. Pivot II > > Osborne Computer Corporation Osborne 1 (OCC1) > > Tandy TRS-80 Model 2000 26-5103 Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Oh! Another idea! I can make images now!

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

Murrel has a device card which interfaces a PC to a Pertec-formatted drive - that means I can image tapes now! I GOTTA try this out!

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Timex Sinclair

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I was asking the originator of this message if he would sell it to me. ---------- > From: e.tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Timex Sinclair > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 1:16 PM > > thedm wrote: > > > > Well, im biased as to tell you its value, since I want one :) There is a > > company that sells the new kits also has brand new alphacon printers for > > 30.00, these are similiar to yours. Id like to have that original one > > though. Id pay 15.00 for it without a problem. + shipping of course. > > > > ---------- > > > From: Marc Pearce <marc(a)hoknik.com> > > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > > Subject: Timex Sinclair > > > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 1:10 AM > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > I have the Timex Sinclair 2040 personal printer. Its still like new and > > in > > > the box. I lost my Timex Sinclair ZX81, or maybe its back at the folks > > > house still. What would my 2040 printer be worth. I'm debating hooking > > it > > > up to my Pentium, but I'm sensing sparks. > You lost me completely.....you wanted to know how much your printer was > worth and I replied. Now you want to buy something but I am sorry I > don't understand what you want....could you be more specific please? > > Thanks > > enrico >

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PDP-11/44 Frontpanel?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

While talking to the local DEC guy (Mark Sherman, sells me all kindsa crap.) he mentioned that he recalled the 11/44 has 2 frontpanel options. One was the minimal panel I got, and the other was a calculator type panel. The interesting part was that the calculator frontpanel was detachable, so techs you get one to use with a machine ordered with the minimal panel. Is that true? Could I track one of these down anywhere? Or is this a simple thing to build? (I am dialed in at about 2400 baud. This is NOT fun... never saw how much Pine wants to refresh the screen until you have to wait about 1/2 sec for it to do so! I think from now on I'll use the command-line mailer...)

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FW (Try this again...) MicroVAXen II up for sale

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Let's try it with some text this time, shall we? ;-) -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Xref: xyzzy comp.sys.dec.micro:1804 Path: xyzzy!uunet!in5.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: anthonyg(a)ultranet.com (Anthony) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro Subject: F/S MicroVax II Date: 9 Oct 1997 14:13:32 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 18 Message-ID: <61ioqc$mor$1(a)decius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d24.dial-1.prv.ri.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) I am trying to unload the following: MicroVax II w/ RD53 Maxtor Hard Drive RD54 Maxtor Hard Drive XT2190 Maxtor Hard Drive TK50 Tape Backup 12 VT220 Terminals 2 VT320 Terminals 2 VR201 Terminals 1 VT340 Terminal 14 Keyboards 3 LA210 Dot Matrix Printers 2 LN03 Laser Printers email anthonyg(a)ultranet.com if you are interested in any of this equipment. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SSG Computing Support (253) 773-8576 Bldg. 18-04.2, Col. G1 Boeing ISDS, Kent Space Ctr. ba.lane(a)pss.boeing.com "...No matter how hard we may try, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Anyone for 9-track-tape drives?

by dseagrav＠bsdserver.tek-star.net

I have 3, and that's 1 more than I plan to keep (I think) 2 Cipher 6250s, and a 1550 (I think, it's the smaller version of a 6250). Anyone need one or two (Depending on which one's a TM02 or can become one or will at least boot the diag tapes I have. They're really heavy. And I have no real place to put them.

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Mac Portable

by sinasohn＠crl.com

I picked up a Mac Portable today, but it had no power supply. Anyone know of an (affordable) source to get one? Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Mac Portable

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

The battery charger is just 9VDC, but I hope you have a functional battery, since the Mac Portable will not run on the battery charger. There is no AC adapter. The batteries are lead-acid and tend to deteriorate over time. Eventually all of these machines will stop working. > -----Original Message----- > From: Uncle Roger [SMTP:sinasohn@crl.com] > Sent: Friday, October 10, 1997 4:14 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Mac Portable > > I picked up a Mac Portable today, but it had no power supply. Anyone > know > of an (affordable) source to get one? Thanks! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > O- > > Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad > sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen > know." > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California > http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Timex Sinclair

by thedm＠sunflower.com

What are you talking about? He asked what the printer was worth, I told him where a new one like it could be purchased and for how much, then made him an offer, whats so cryptic about that? ---------- > From: e.tedeschi <e.tedeschi(a)ndirect.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Timex Sinclair > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 2:57 PM > > Bill Girnius wrote: > > > > I was asking the originator of this message if he would sell it to me. > > Sekk what? Why everybody must be so criptic? > > enrico

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FW: MicroVAXen up for sale

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

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NeXT Cube

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>It's perfect cube shaped CPU all done in black.. My apologies in advance, for NeXTs are not yet classic, depending on how far one is willing to bend the 10-year limit...but soon, and this is a reasonably good time to collect them... NeXT's first (68030) computer had a processor box which was basically cube-shaped. The front had an opening for an optical drive (or two), there were vertical slots two on each side on the back, and there was a sort of small radiator-fin pattern around the sides and top. Also small feet on the bottom. The exterior finish was black except for connectors and markings (serial number, etc.) on the back and plain metal on the bottom. The processor box,display, keyboard, and mouse were finished in matching black. Very unique. Sounds sinister, but it actually is very nice to work in front of. Of the four slots on the back, one was full of the processor board, and the other three were generally empty. A NeXTDimension Card (color display driver and other stuff) could occupy one of the other three slots. It was possible to put seperate 030 or 040 cards into the empty slots with some modifications. These became standalone computers - the only communications to them were through the ethernet or serial ports on the back, and in fact they had to be set up to net-boot through the ethernet port. I'm not aware of any other boards designed to fit in the empty slots. Later NeXTs using 68040's at 25 MHz and at 33 MHz (Turbo) came in two styles: the Cube case, virtually undistinguishable from the older cube case, and a "Pizza box" case which went under the monitor. The "Pizza Boxes" were referred to as "NeXT Stations" (possibly with modifiers "Color" and/or "Turbo") rather than "NeXT Cubes" or "NeXT Computers". - Mark

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Timex Sinclair

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Well, im biased as to tell you its value, since I want one :) There is a company that sells the new kits also has brand new alphacon printers for 30.00, these are similiar to yours. Id like to have that original one though. Id pay 15.00 for it without a problem. + shipping of course. ---------- > From: Marc Pearce <marc(a)hoknik.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Timex Sinclair > Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 1:10 AM > > Hello there, > > I have the Timex Sinclair 2040 personal printer. Its still like new and in > the box. I lost my Timex Sinclair ZX81, or maybe its back at the folks > house still. What would my 2040 printer be worth. I'm debating hooking it > up to my Pentium, but I'm sensing sparks. > > > Yours, > Marc Pearce, director > H?k Nik Creative > ph: (403) 944-9951 fx: (403) 944-9952 > ----------------------------------------------------- > mailto:marc@hoknik.com > > http://www.hoknik.com http://www.webmonton.com

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I picked up an apple//e MIDI

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Picked up an Apple //e Midi interface, of course now that I'm at work I can't remember the manufactuer. The logo was like a SUN and TWO seagulls on it. ANyone have any software for this thing? It's got MIDI , IN, OUT, and DRUM standard DIN ports On the top of the card it had two rca jacks IN and OUT.

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Atari 1450XLD/1400XLD - schematics / plans / rom dumps / anything

by krap＠zwieracz.psych.uw.edu.pl

i'm looking for any infomation about the Atari 1450XLD (or 1400XLD) prototype. schematics, manuals, technical references, rom dumps, or custom chips plans, serial numbers, vendors, companies that would know anything... thanks in advance... 516 -- = wasza KrAp = krap(a)psych.uw.edu.pl = http://www.psych.uw.edu.pl/~krap = = phone 602-339173 = PGP 50D98803B12327E7 216A787AB7EFD5FA * in arp we trust *

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Atari 1450XLD/1400XLD - schematics / plans / rom dumps / anything

by krap＠zwieracz.psych.uw.edu.pl

i'm looking for any infomation about the Atari 1450XLD (or 1400XLD) prototype. schematics, manuals, technical references, rom dumps, or custom chips plans, serial numbers, vendors, companies that would know anything... thanks in advance... 515 -- = wasza KrAp = krap(a)psych.uw.edu.pl = http://www.psych.uw.edu.pl/~krap = = phone 602-339173 = PGP 50D98803B12327E7 216A787AB7EFD5FA * in arp we trust *

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Timex Sinclair

by marc＠hoknik.com

Hello there, I have the Timex Sinclair 2040 personal printer. Its still like new and in the box. I lost my Timex Sinclair ZX81, or maybe its back at the folks house still. What would my 2040 printer be worth. I'm debating hooking it up to my Pentium, but I'm sensing sparks. Yours, Marc Pearce, director H?k Nik Creative ph: (403) 944-9951 fx: (403) 944-9952 ----------------------------------------------------- mailto:marc@hoknik.com http://www.hoknik.com http://www.webmonton.com

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Those pesky db15 ports

by fmc＠reanimators.org

CharlesII(a)nwohio.nwohio.com wrote: > I found out from a person in the area that low density DB15 > ports if not used for Ethernet are used for a VGA terminal. On NCR gear? News to me, but what do I know? Should you happen to run across NCR Tower serial ports on DA15 connectors, the adapter cable that brings this out to a male DB25 connector looks like this. Both hoods have the following molded into them: One side: TERMINAL 1308-C036-0152 The other side: 006-0089359 U.L. E40323 Ohming it out yields: DA15 DB25 1 - frame ground 1 ------ 3 2 ------ 5 3,12 ------ 4 4 ------ 6,8 9 ------ 2 10 ------ 20 11 ------ 7 I used to use this cable to hook up an HP 700/22 to an NCR Tower's console port. I can't remember whether I had it plugged into a null-modem-like thing or just a gender bender at the 700/22 end, but there must have been something there because both the cable and the terminal have male connectors. Hope this helps someone. -Frank McConnell

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Somewhat trivial question

by wpe＠interserv.com

Anyone recall the "default date" that VMS does (or did) think it was, when the system clock wasn't set? Seems to me, it was somewhere in 1888, and there was a story behind the selection of the date.... Thanks! Will

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Those pesky db15 ports

by CharlesII＠nwohio.nwohio.com

Yes I think that might be the answer. Do you have a spare that I could buy? CL>At 01:52 AM 10/8/97 -0500, you wrote: CL>>DB15's are used by Mac II's (and related models) for video out. With an CL>>adapter, they can use VGA monitors. Perhaps that is what you have? CL> CL>I just noticed (quite by coincidence) that the monitor/keyboard combination CL>for the DEC Rainbow 100 is a DB15. Perchance that's the answer. CL>--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- CL>Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad CL>sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." CL>Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates CL>San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Altair Scans Update/Calling Bill Whitson

by rcini＠classic.msn.com

For those who asked: I have tried with no success to contact Bill Whitson to get another address to send the 4mm tape with the Altair Scans (he must have closed his PO Box). The tape is sitting in my office just waiting... Rich Cini/WUGNET

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IBM 3101 terminals

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

It wasn't until yesterday's topic of "Those pesky db15 ports" that I remembered a couple of terminals that I hauled home recently. The terminals have a DB15 for both the monitor and keyboard. Anyway, I hauled home a couple of IBM 3101 terminals. They consist of a base unit, a monitor, and a keyboard. From the ID tags they appear to be around 1980 vintage. I have not powered them up, but if anyone is interested in these I could probably run a quick test on them. Mike Thompson

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Those pesky db15 ports

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 01:52 AM 10/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >DB15's are used by Mac II's (and related models) for video out. With an >adapter, they can use VGA monitors. Perhaps that is what you have? I just noticed (quite by coincidence) that the monitor/keyboard combination for the DEC Rainbow 100 is a DB15. Perchance that's the answer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Those pesky db15 ports

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 05:39 PM 10/7/97 EDT, you wrote: >CL>VGA uses HD15, not DB15. DB15 is only used on PCs for AUI (obsolete >CL>ethernet) and game ports. DB15's are used by Mac II's (and related models) for video out. With an adapter, they can use VGA monitors. Perhaps that is what you have? Is there a separate port for a keyboard, or do you believe the DB15 also handles the keyboard? (as in a real terminal) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Need Apple II GS Software

by bpvh＠primenet.com

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Those pesky db15 ports

by CharlesII＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I found out from a person in the area that low density DB15 ports if not used for Ethernet are used for a VGA terminal. Any idea where to find one of these things? If you have one that you don't need I wouldn't mind having it. By the way I'm still looking for a power supply for an Amiga A500.

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Update on Altair scans

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Any updates? > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. [SMTP:rcini@msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 4:12 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Update on Altair scans > > Hello, all: > > I got a message from my friend with the Altair scans (list > previously posted > here). On Monday, he mailed me a Zip disk filled with scans. It really > makes > me wonder if this guy has a job! Actually, he must work for a > publishing house > or something, somewhere where he has access to high-volume scanners. > > Anyway, when I get this, I'll put together a disk/tape and Fedex > it to Bill > Whitson {Bill: I need your physical address and telephone#} and have > him post > it to the ftp site. > > More to come... > > ------------------------ > Rich Cini/WUGNET > <rcini(a)msn.com> > - ClubWin Charter Member (6) > - MCPS Windows 95/Networking

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Sphere papers gone

by fmc＠reanimators.org

William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote: > > As I recall you wanted some sort of justification and I really > > couldn't think of anything beyond "yeah, I'd like to get a look at > > that" -- really I figured you would find other respondents who could > > offer it better homes. > > There is a reason I did that. Don't worry, I didn't take it personally! It's just that all too often, I can't promise much better for an artifact than that I'll look at it, stick it in a folder and then in a file box in my storage closet. I'm not real happy about that. > In a previous giveaway, NSFnet stuff, > I was flooded by lots of people simply wanting the tape drives and nothing > else (there was one exception). This did not make me very happy, as I felt > that many of the respondants did not care about where these drives came > from, rather that they were free drives. Much of this old NSFnet stuff > (there is more free stuff to come - I unearthed some of the OOB modems, > useful when the network crashed) really does have far more historical > value than actual value. These machines (the RS/6000s with appropriate > other things), numbering 75 or so, were the "Internet" for some time, > and fuelled its explosive growth thru the first part of the 1990s, until > the other ISPs started to appear. Yeah, I remember the RS/6000 episode, it was shortly after I subscribed to the list. I have to admit that I was thinking about those RS/6000s too. But what I was thinking were the somewhat more mundane questions of how best to get one out here to California, where I would put it once it got here, and what I would do with it. See comment above about the storage closet; I have way too much stuff there already. Well, with a sufficient number I would be more inclined to put 'em in use for their intended purpose -- moving IP datagrams around. But there's probably newer hardware to do that sort of thing while not needing as much space, cooling, and/or electricity. OOB modems? Is OOB a brand name or an abbreviation for "out of band"? > I am not saying that the Sphere papers are of real historical significance > - the company simply did not last very long, and in my opinion, was a > producer of junk - but anything Sphere is very rare. Yep, and I really couldn't justify (to myself) being selfish about it. > Speaking of NSFnet stuff, I may be able to get some of the really old > stuff, when the network was built with RTs, token rings, and 56 K DSUs. If > I can get one of the old RTs, would the Vintage Computer Festival people > be interested as a door prize? Aiyeee, token things! Those also sound interesting, both because they're RTs (another thing I'd like to dink with, someday) and because of what they did. Speaking of old Internet stuff...how many copies of the BBN report 1822 (on the host-IMP interface) do you think are floating around out there? Wollongong (the mysterious office that I have alluded to in other posts) had at least two and was preparing to toss both of them, I think I steered one back toward the library and snagged the other for my collection. Back to SS-50: > I have seen very little as well. That says something, as the boards tend > to really stick out in the crowd. They never reached the popularity of the > S-100 stuff, and was probably made in quantities much smaller than just > about every other bus. I've found something else that sticks out in a crowd: I/O cards for the HP 2100-family machines. (No, I haven't forgot about pulling those manuals for you and Tony, just haven't cleared the space and time to really go through them.) Today I picked up a TTY I/O MUXR card. The etched part number is 12584-60136. No manual, but still in its bag. Date-codes on ICs seem to be 7106, 7123, 7122, 7303. $0.50. -Frank McConnell

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Those pesky db15 ports

by CharlesII＠nwohio.nwohio.com

If you bothered to read a previous letter of mine help needed I'm working on an old NCR machein that has thes DB15 ports that arn't Ethernet and arn't serial but I found out from a very nolagibule person was a port for a VGA terminal the other and most not often mentioned use for them. CL>VGA uses HD15, not DB15. DB15 is only used on PCs for AUI (obsolete CL>ethernet) and game ports. CL>Kai CL>> -----Original Message----- CL>> From: CharlesII(a)nwohio.nwohio.com [SMTP:CharlesII@nwohio.nwohio.com] CL>> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 2:09 PM CL>> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers CL>> Subject: Those pesky db15 ports CL>> CL>> I found out from a person in the area that low density CL>> DB15 CL>> ports if not used for Ethernet are used for a VGA terminal. Any idea CL>> where to find one of these things? If you have one that you don't CL>> need CL>> I wouldn't mind having it. By the way I'm still looking for a power CL>> supply for an Amiga A500.

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Those pesky db15 ports

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

VGA uses HD15, not DB15. DB15 is only used on PCs for AUI (obsolete ethernet) and game ports. Kai > -----Original Message----- > From: CharlesII(a)nwohio.nwohio.com [SMTP:CharlesII@nwohio.nwohio.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 2:09 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Those pesky db15 ports > > I found out from a person in the area that low density > DB15 > ports if not used for Ethernet are used for a VGA terminal. Any idea > where to find one of these things? If you have one that you don't > need > I wouldn't mind having it. By the way I'm still looking for a power > supply for an Amiga A500.

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Philips Micron 2001

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

Having just become the proud owner of a 2001, ($ 10.00 Cdn, about $ 7.00 US, delivered.) I have some questions that I hope you fellows can resolve. 1. What have I got, and did I get taken? 2. Although nothing appears to have been removed, I can't find a power transformer in the drive unit. Does anyone know if this used a switched power supply? The outfit has been outside, but no rust. I will let it dry out for a few days before I try plugging anything in. Thanks Charlie Fox

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ATARI 1450XLD

by FAIAZMC＠hsd.utc.com

HELP! HELP! Looking for a 1450XLD! Mike

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Question -- IBM 704

by davef＠wesco.com

Thank you so much, Paul. Much appreciated! -- Dave ========================================================================== From hf.intel.com!prp Tue Oct 7 09:19:49 1997 From: Paul Pierce <prp(a)hf.intel.com> To: Dave Fafarman <davef(a)wesco.com>, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Question -- IBM 704 Dave, >Hello. I wonder if you might happen to know what the word length (bits) >was for the IBM 704? The IBM 700/7000 scientific computers (701, 704, 709, 7090, 7094, 7044 etc.) had a 36-bit word. Number representation is binary sign/magnitude. From the 704 on the instruction size is 36 bits and there is hardware floating point. It is an accumulator architecture derived from Von Neumann's IAS machine. Programmer visible registers are an accumulator (38 bits), multiplier/quotient register (36 bits) and 3 index registers (15 bits.) It had 8K to 32K words of core memory. Mass storage was magnetic tape or punched cards. Web references: IBM 704 Manual (selected pages) - http://www.cs.virginia.edu/brochure/images/manuals/IBM_704/IBM_704.html Von Neumann and the IAS - http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/VonNeumann.html Paul Pierce http://www.teleport.com/~prp/collect

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Question -- IBM 704

by prp＠hf.intel.com

Dave, >Hello. I wonder if you might happen to know what the word length (bits) >was for the IBM 704? The IBM 700/7000 scientific computers (701, 704, 709, 7090, 7094, 7044 etc.) had a 36-bit word. Number representation is binary sign/magnitude.

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CC> TS 1000

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

Don't need the $$$ (or I shouldn't after my game hits store shelves in a couple weeks). I'm into trading mostly; other classic micros or console stuff I collect. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Harbit [SMTP:krh03@csufresno.edu] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 2:12 PM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: RE: CC> TS 1000 > > > > I've got a second 2068, complete in Box, and I think maybe a > cartridge > > or two. > > How much $ are you asking? >

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Xerox 820

by more＠camlaw.rutgers.edu

On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, John R. Keys Jr. wrote: > you may have the 820-II the upgrade to the 820 which came out in July 1981. > They could run CP/M, two versions of BASIC, and used Ethernet. How did it "use" ethernet? (Where di it "hook up", etc.) LeS

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CC> FW: Question -- IBM 704

by fred＠weblust.com

>From: Dave Fafarman <davef(a)wesco.com> >Subject: Question -- IBM 704 > >Hello. I wonder if you might happen to know what the word length (bits) >was for the IBM 704? This was a machine used in the 50s. (Please don't >confuse with a more recent IBM 704 -- apparently the model name has been >recycled after 40 years.) TIA,

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CC> TS 1000

by MPritchard＠EnsembleStudios.com

I've got a second 2068, complete in Box, and I think maybe a cartridge or two. -Matt Pritchard Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Harbit [SMTP:krh03@csufresno.edu] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 1997 9:30 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: CC> TS 1000 > > Count me in on this too, especially a TS1000 or 2068. > > > If you find one that cheap, I'd like one. I only have a > > TS1500. Any other sinclair you can find for that price or > > accesories, and I would gladly reimurse you for shipping as > > well. zx81, TS100, TS2048, TS2068, 2050 modem with case, or > > just case, {have the modem already} Any printer that works.... > > > > > > Ken Harbit > krh03(a)cvip.fresno.com > My other computer is a ZX

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CC> TS 1000

by engine＠chac.org

I have received a phone call from a guy in San Luis Obispo CA (no e-mail) who wants to sell a Timex Sinclair 1000 -- complete including the 16K expansion module -- at a swap meet. Like many people who are peripheral to the community, he has a somewhat inflated idea of what this treasure is worth, so I figure the best education is to just send him to the swap meet. Anybody know of any close to him? TIA __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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Temple Univ. haul

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Passing on Sun optical mouse pads for type 3 or 4 mice is a crime > punishable by death. They are unique _two_ color pads (the horizontal > stripes are a different color from the verticle ones) that Sun does not > make anymore (contrary to Sun Direct's sales people, the pads they sell > are for the normal type 5 mice). What's unique about the sun mousemats? Two-colour ones were made by several people. I need one for my IBM 5277 mouse :-( I was going to use one off a Silicon Graphics Iris, which appears to be the same two colours I remember from IBM, but it has vanished somewhere in my house. I have seen others with different colours (red and blue instead of yellow and blue) on a coarser resolution. These may have been near Sun machines, I can't remember. I ask merely from curiosity... Philip.

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Good Day

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

John R. Keys Jr. Wrote: > Well today made up for a slow week, got the following items: [...] > IBM 3274-31C with 8" diskettes sofeware I'm sure you'll have fun with all your finds, but this is the one that caught my eye. Last week (?) someone was asking questions along the lines of what the heck does one do with an IBM 3278? The answer is, plug it into this. Neither is much use without the other! I suggest the two of you get together over this... The 3274 is called a "terminal controller". It is not per se a computer, although I think it may have had microprocessors and things in it. The floppy drives were for saving and loading configuration data (along the lines of Port 1 a 3278, port 2 is a 3299 with 8 3278s hung off it, port 3 is a printer etc...) It multiplexes terminals and things to an IBM mainframe channel. While the 3278 and its relatives use the IBM SNA protocol over 93 ohm co-ax, the 3274 can AFAIK connect over an ordinary serial line. In which case all you need to do is write drivers for whatever machine you choose as the host... Happy hacking!

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Sphere papers gone

by fmc＠reanimators.org

William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> writes: > Apparently there is not much call for ancient M6800 micro stuff, as I only > got one response. I suppose if they were from the 8080 side of the fence, > things would be different. As I recall you wanted some sort of justification and I really couldn't think of anything beyond "yeah, I'd like to get a look at that" -- really I figured you would find other respondents who could offer it better homes. I do have some 6800 stuff (not Sphere, Smoke Signal Broadcasting) but also have the manuals for it and probably have a book or two around somewhere with the 6800 instruction set. I guess it's time for one of those questions I still don't have a good answer for. Where the foo has all the SS-50 stuff gone? Or is it still hiding? Or is it just not here in Sillycon Valley? I have a couple of SS-50 systems in my collection. Depending on how you look at it, the SSB Chieftain may be the system that started me off collecting, though I really bought it with the idea that it was all put together out of commonly-available parts that I could replace if I let the magic smoke out while teaching myself hardware hackery. (I never got the appropriate round tuit, and am still lacking a proper appreciation of electronics.) Oh, and it was another few years before I finally admitted to myself that what I was about was collecting old computers. You know, the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem....[1] And, well, last week I saw the first SS-50 stuff I've seen up for grabs since I moved to Sillycon Valley seven-plus years ago. I recognized it as SS-50 at a distance, but it had already been stripped: all that was there was the chassis and power supply, with the motherboard, baud rate generator, and a couple of serial cards. All Gimix stuff but that's all that was there of it. Even the front plate from the case was missing. Well, I left it there.[2] When I went back for it today I got there a little bit past closing time. I expect it's still there, and will go back for it again on Monday. -Frank McConnell [1] "Well, I've filled this storage closet...I guess I'm gonna have to rent another one." Somehow I don't think this is the sort of "admitting I have a problem" that will lead to recovery. [2] No, I won't write about why I did that. Suffice it to say I felt pressed for time, and when I think about the time my colleague in this endeavor wasted before and after I am *still* seeing a little red.[3] [3] Insert a smiley after every third word if you think that helps.

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Switched power supplies

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

I have several switched power supplies from IBM clones that I would like to try to repair, can anyone suggest a source of a book or schematics for these things? Thanks Charlie Fox

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Xerox 820

by scottk5＠ibm.net

Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD wrote: > >A friend of mine has acquired a Xerox 820. It's a CP/M machine from 1982. > > > >Anyone have any info on this? Any collectible value? Any interest? > > > >Kevin I have an 820-II with all manuals and docs, unfortuneately it is not working ( the harddisk controller or harddisk has gone south!) If you need any information from the manuals, please let me know I will be glad to oblige. Also have a ton of CPM software that came with it, so if you need bootdisks or the like I can help there too. Would you friend like to sell his harddisk controller card and drive perhaps? Kirk Scott scottk5(a)ibm.net

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CC> TS 1000

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Well there is a company that sells them new for 30.00 so..... so much for any inflation beyond that. If anyone wants that link let me know. ---------- > From: Kip Crosby <engine(a)chac.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: CC> TS 1000 > Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 11:04 AM > > I have received a phone call from a guy in San Luis Obispo CA (no e-mail) > who wants to sell a Timex Sinclair 1000 -- complete including the 16K > expansion module -- at a swap meet. Like many people who are peripheral to > the community, he has a somewhat inflated idea of what this treasure is > worth, so I figure the best education is to just send him to the swap meet. > Anybody know of any close to him? > > TIA > __________________________________________ > Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org > http://www.chac.org/index.html > Computer History Association of California >

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CC> Status of Apple Library

by engine＠chac.org

I just got the voicemail of one of my contacts at Apple which said that the Apple Library was "permanently closed." There was a pretty decent collection of Apple hardware in that room, among other things. The good side is that Jane Oros, the head librarian, is a very responsible person (and I have a call in to her now.) The non-good side is that, as we know, Apple is now in the hands of senior management who are convinced that the history of their company is nothing but a drag on their energies. I would appreciate hearing from anybody on this list who is also an Apple employee and can say more about pertinent current events there. Any other discussion also welcome, of course. TIA! __________________________________________ Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org http://www.chac.org/index.html Computer History Association of California

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CC> TS 1000

by thedm＠sunflower.com

If you find one that cheap, I'd like one. I only have a TS1500. Any other sinclair you can find for that price or accesories, and I would gladly reimurse you for shipping as well. zx81, TS100, TS2048, TS2068, 2050 modem with case, or just case, {have the modem already} Any printer that works.... ---------- > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: CC> TS 1000 > Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 2:06 PM > > On Mon, 6 Oct 1997, Marvin wrote: > > > There is a swap meet at Nipomo (20 minutes drive from SLO) and that is the > > best one that I know of in that area. My guess is that he would be lucky to > > find someone to pay $10 for the thing at a swap meet. The new kit price > > (minus memory modele) is $30 plus shipping from a company in NYC. They seem > > to go for between $15 - $25 opn ebay. > > TS1000 are so fairly common (of course, in my area) that I'd say $5 for > each is being generous. I'd say $10 for a TS1000 with a 16K RAM module is > a decent price. Even new, $30 is a bit steep. > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Need Apple II GS Software

by jchin＠aesprodata.com.au

Manney(a)nwohio.com - You might care to try the Apple II archive FTP site at: ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/ This site has documentation, FAQs, disk images of almost everything that is/was available for the Apple II series of computers, including a section for educational software. cheers, John ------------ A church with which I work was recently given an Apple IIGS (with "Woz" signature on the front, I notice). Does anyone have any children's educational software for Apple that he/she would be willing to donate or sell cheaply? You can get tax credit if you want. Please e-mail me -- manney(a)nwohio.com -- or contact the church directly: Pastor Leo Stewart Union Avenue Alliance Church 12700 Union Ave. Cleveland OH 44104 (216) 752-6184 Thanks -- you'll be doing inner city kids a great favor. P Manney "Un sot trouve toujours un plus sot qui l'admire."

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FW: NeXT cube

by pwashburn＠pbi.net

The keyboard plugs into the back of the MegaPixel display, then the display is attached to the cube. The A and B ports are the serial ports. They are wierd old ones that, on the 68040 boards are compatible with standard Mac serial cable, though I am not sure if they support hardware flow control. check NeXT Answers at http://www.next.com/ for more detailed info, and pinouts. The removeable cartridge drive is most likely meant for a 230M Magneto-Optical disks of the 5.5" variety. They are somewhat hard to find nowadays. Try looking at http://www.deepspacetech.com/ They have tons of old NeXT stuff, and I believe they have these disks. Another nice feature of these machines, is that they know how to handle removeable media and both DOS and HFS volumes. This means that you can plug a Zip drive into the SCSI port and transfer downloaded files to the NeXT until you get it up and running on the Net itself. The following URL is a terrific archive of NeXT software. ftp://ftp.peanuts.org/next/ Enjoy it. It's a great machine. Regards, Peter Washburn >From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> >To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Subject: NeXT cube > >I finally got a NeXT cube! I got it with a MegaPixel Display for $150. > >I have some questions. First, I'm assuming mine is a later revision >because the motherboard has a date of 1990 on it. The CPU is a 68040. >All my simm slots are filled up. How much memory does this mean it has? > >Now, I can't get the damn thing to boot up, because I can't figure out >where to plug the keyboard into. I know this sounds stupid and all, but >the keyboard connector is a round mini-DIN type with a peg in the center. >The two connectors on the back that look like it would fit in (labeled 'A' >and 'B') don't have a hole in the center for the peg to fit into, so they >obviously aren't for the keyboard. Where does the keyboard go? > >Also, this looks like it has a hard drive in it, and it also has some sort >of removable cartridge mass storage device in the front. It looks like >it might fit a CD-ROM cartridge. Is this the case? > >Any help on the NeXT cube would be appreciated. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

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Help needed

by fmc＠reanimators.org

CharlesII(a)nwohio.nwohio.com writes: > I have an old NCR machine that I would like to get up and running. > [...] There are numerous amounts of low density DB15 ports > that I think have nothing to do with Ethernet since the spot that is > labeled Ethernet is covered up with nothing behind the cover. I'd guess that those 15-pin connectors are the serial ports. If you don't turn up the pinout, holler, I have an adapter cable at the office (used to use it to hook an HP 700/22 to one) and could ohm it out one of these days (i.e. it'll go on my copious free time list for when I find where I packed the cable when we re-carpeted the offices a few weeks back). -Frank McConnell

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