>from hp-85 service manual 00085-90154 (5/83) (I think this is the same for
Hp-85 and 85B)
Belt, paper advance p/n 1500-0572
Belt, print head p/n 1500-0529
HP still sold these through thier HP Direct phone order system a couple of
years ago (800-227-8164)
Small belts are available -- there's a company in NJ (Winifred M. Berg)
that specializes in small stuff. I can dig up the address for you if you
want.
manney(a)nwohio.com
----------
> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> To: Manney
> Subject: HP-85B Printer Repairs.
> Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 4:25 AM
>
> I would be grateful if someone on this list could help me.
>
> I have a somewhat old-fashioned colleague who still uses an HP-85B.
> This morning he came and asked me why the paper advance on the built in
> printer wasn't working, what was he doing wrong?
>
> He had borrowed an old HP-85 from another section (who had thrown it
> out, apparently - it had a red sticker saying "Equipment not to be
> used"), but this also wouldn't advance the paper, so he had concluded he
> must be getting something wrong.
>
> I tried a couple of times to no avail, so I took the lid off. (Why do
> they have to make the tape eject button so huge?). Not much poking
> around to discover that the toothed belt that drives the paper advance
> had perished and snapped. The rubber was mostly in dust all over the
> place; the strengthening threads were wrapped around the drive gear on
> the motor. The smaller toothed belt that drove the print head was also
> very ropy.
>
> So, we opened up the other 85. The same fault, with the remaining belt
> in worse condition.
>
> To conclude, then, does anyone know where to get replacement belts, or
> what the HP part numbers are, or any other useful information?
>
> Philip.
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
> Das Feuer brennt, das Feuer nennt die Luft sein Schwesterelement -
> und frisst sie doch (samt dem Ozon)! Das ist die Liebe, lieber Sohn.
>
> Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk
>
Hello, all:
I just wanted to take a moment {not ask a question, but} to wish
everyone on the list a Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah, or a fairly
non-sectarian, politically-correct Happy Holidays.
I also wanted to take the time to say thanks to everyone who has helped
me this year to get my classic collecting off the ground. I've learned a lot
about many aspects of the early era of computers; an era that began too
early for me to think about (I was 8 when my PDP-11 was manufactured!) I've
also come to appreciate their "simple elegance." Anyway, thanks go to all,
especially to Sam, Tim, Paul, Allison, and Uncle Roger.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
<nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use)
ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
============================================
Back when I was getting older issues of Computer Shopper, I read about
the Adam in a regular column, seems the users group support was pretty
strong for the bugger, they had several conventions over the years (I
noticed their web page not too long ago.)
The Adam did have some expansion beyond the second datadrive you could
get a disk drive controller to hook in an external drive.
I recall a warning about the datadrives or the Adam in general: don't
turn on the Adam with a datatape in the drive, the drive will send out a
pulse that may damage data stored on the part of the tape next to the
write head (some said up to a few feet away, I don't know about
that...:/ )
The datadrives can use cassette tapes but they need to have slight
(housing) modifications done and be pre-formatted (a tape duplicator may
do the job, though I bet there are formatting utilities on the Internet.
All I have for the Adam now is some xerox catalog of PD software, it
was cheap and I like to know what programs were on the other machines,
to see if there any gaps to be filled for my collection. :)
Larry Anderson
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I guess that's the loss of plasticizer ...the same thing you see in
stiffening and embrittlement of vinyl.
I've never see thermosets go bad, unless attacked by solvents (altho' I've
seen epoxies go gummy.)
----------
> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> To: Manney
> Subject: Re: Plastic rot
> Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 11:19 AM
>
> At 09:22 12/22/97, you wrote:
> >I have several old HP computers that have done the same thing. Is there
> >any way to repair or restore the color?
>
> No, there (currently) isn't. And the real bother isn't the
discoloration,
> but the accompanying embrittlement -- I picked up a mustard-colored HP
> terminal once and had a piece of the case break off in my hand.
>
> A bloke who was researching this at the Science Mus. in London wrote an
> article for the ANALYTICAL ENGINE in which he basically said that there
was
> no reversing the effect, and the only way you could limit the
deterioration
> was to keep the artifact in near-total darkness. I also asked the
> Smithsonian and they concurred with this.
>
> __________________________________________
> Kip Crosby engine(a)chac.org
> http://www.chac.org/index.html
> Computer History Association of California
>
>
In a message dated 97-12-22 02:25:29 EST, you write:
> What about JTS (with their 500,000MTBF), the company that owns what's left
> of Atari? (Their drives are on the top of MY list for quality.)
> Tim D. Hotze
i bought two of those JTS 1G drives, and seem to be no worse or no better than
any other drive out there. also has 3 year warranty.
david
I saw this interesting, computer look-a-like box at a local thrift the other
day, and decided to spring for the $2 and buy the thing. I have no idea
what it is; hopefully someone in this group will recognize the description.
First off the unit measures approximately 15" x 11" and is 4.5" high and is
colored the typical office equipment beige. The front of the box is a
darker brown with the name "ISAAC" written on the left hand side. Above the
two A's in ISAAC is a graphic symbol of an apple. On the upper right hand
side are the words "Cyborg model 91A". Across the bottom, left to right is
a power, push button switch next to an light indicator; four small turnable
knobs with indicator lights, marked 0, 1, 2, 3, respectively. Above the 0
knob is printed the word "Schmitt"; above the 1 & 2 knobs, "Reference";
above the 3 knob, "Adjust". On the right hand side are five push button
switches labled "READ OFF"; Schmitt 0, 1; Reference 2, 3.
Attached at the back by way of two flat connectors is a "91A Isaac
Distribution Board". It has two rows of screw type connectors for attaching
wire leads. They are marked off in banks with names such as "Binary In",
"Binary Out", "A/D Inputs", "SCH In", and others. Nearly 100 separate
connections possible. Across the bottom in small print is "Cyborg
Corporation, 342 Western Ave., Boston, MA, U.S.A. 02135.
Opening the box one finds a main system board with the words "91A ISSAC Main
Board D91A - 8131 REV D 281-061" stenciled near the center. There are banks
of what appear to be memory chips, as well as other various unidentifiable
(to me at least) chips, several banks of dip switches, and a bank of eight
slots, analogous to eight bit expansion slots, though somewhat smaller,
about three inches long. There is nothing which resembles a CPU, nor is
there any obvious way to connect power.
I've done some internet searches using keywords such as Isaac, cyborg, etc.
and have come up empty. Does anyone have any idea of what I bought with my
two bucks?
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
What about JTS (with their 500,000MTBF), the company that owns what's left
of Atari? (Their drives are on the top of MY list for quality.)
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca <jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: Micropolis - moon or bust?
> At 11:33 PM 12/20/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hi!
> >
> >Have anyone noticed that Micropolis hung up their website and fallen
> >off earth's face?
>
> Sorry to say, there was an announcement about a month ago that the parent
> company of Micropolis, faced with continuing losses in the disk storage
> division decided to terminate all operations.
>
> Or, in a more direct form: Micropolis got it's plug pulled.
>
> Yet another of the older companies falls by the wayside.
>
> -jim
Thank you for this tidbit news! :) That is important because I get
several questions or read others or helping out other guys with
hd's...
Who was the company who owned and (also pulled the plug) on this
Micropolis?
In other words, we have nothing to compare anything to this quality
standards that was once Micropolis. Now, that is very unfortune
news. Fujitsu is no longer on my favorite list. The definatine
quality control of any remains with Quantum and Seagate's top end
drives. HMO
Thanks...Until anything changes, I will tell anyone who asks about
buying hd to either pick Quantum for anything or Seagate (for medium
to top end, low end are "Conner" design and QC and importantly
compatiablity on master/slave relationship on these are still so so
and bit slow). Their former low end before "Conners" replaced 'em
were superb after years of debugging and had seagateshield which I
consider this neat and good idea for short time! The design mark on
these low end drives were left by long gone CDC and Imp---? and still
see former designs in Cateeh and some few high end drives.
If there is once in a while best deal on new remaining micropolis hds
and expect no warrenty on them if the price is right. If I suspect
rightly...
WD is just ok, still too new to hd making since they're quit their
card controller making exactly under 10 years ago. Superb but
improvements would be good to speed up the ragged performances, oh
well no more controllers from them now. :( ) Especially on newer
series currently in production for least 2 years and still have
problems with 3 platters drives usually.
I hasten to add my tidbit about wdc, few years ago when I was
using WD's drives (never brought any except for used buys) in service
work and helping out friends. Noticed they can be commanded to seek
harder when PIO modes is pushed over (set by on hard jumpered i/o VL
cards) faster than their specs which made weird unhealthy noises and
causes errors. Quickly put correct setting in order afterwards.
Real fun to see WD 420mb hd read from out to in in seconds flat!
That horrible noise and nearly metallic noise, ugh! Other than
that, I have never seen like that in other hard drives of any makes
besides WD.
Maxtor, JTS and Samsung is what I prefer to avoid.
Side comment: I wonder why several companies pulled out making 2.5"
drives (Like to have more options myself.) and one or two jumping in
making oddball 3.0" hard drives for portables recently?
And finally, years ago, I was told by my best friend in computer
service former Conners had problems with 2.5" drives, could anyone
have a care to tell me more about this?
Jason D.
> ---
> jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com
> The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw
> Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
My VAX is working! And it talks TCP/IP!
DNS is out, but I can send mail (by telnetting to port 25 of the mailserver)
Once my new boss shows up with root's password, I'll make DNS work. Then
I can be found at minako.umtec.com.
> Manney, what's up with your motherboard listing...I need bit more
> info are they usually generics and chipset types usually; VLSI, UMC
> etc is more than enough.
Oh yeah...the motherboards. I keep forgetting to post the list. Probably
after Christmas. Sorry -- been swamped.
Eric Bal has a wealth of information on his web site
(http://www.ebbsoft.com/) concerning HP series 80 computers. There are also
links to suppliers who might be able to supply new belts.
Good luck!
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 6:26 AM
Subject: HP-85B Printer Repairs.
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>From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk
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>Subject: HP-85B Printer Repairs.
>X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN
>
>I would be grateful if someone on this list could help me.
>
>I have a somewhat old-fashioned colleague who still uses an HP-85B.
>This morning he came and asked me why the paper advance on the built in
>printer wasn't working, what was he doing wrong?
>
>He had borrowed an old HP-85 from another section (who had thrown it
>out, apparently - it had a red sticker saying "Equipment not to be
>used"), but this also wouldn't advance the paper, so he had concluded he
>must be getting something wrong.
>
>I tried a couple of times to no avail, so I took the lid off. (Why do
>they have to make the tape eject button so huge?). Not much poking
>around to discover that the toothed belt that drives the paper advance
>had perished and snapped. The rubber was mostly in dust all over the
>place; the strengthening threads were wrapped around the drive gear on
>the motor. The smaller toothed belt that drove the print head was also
>very ropy.
>
>So, we opened up the other 85. The same fault, with the remaining belt
>in worse condition.
>
>To conclude, then, does anyone know where to get replacement belts, or
>what the HP part numbers are, or any other useful information?
>
>Philip.
>
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
> Das Feuer brennt, das Feuer nennt die Luft sein Schwesterelement -
> und frisst sie doch (samt dem Ozon)! Das ist die Liebe, lieber Sohn.
>
>Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk
>
>
>
At 12:37 AM 6/17/97 +0000, you wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Andy Brobston wrote:
>
>> Was the Aquarius II compatible with the old Aquarius programs?
>>
>> Can anyone give me a lead on an Aquarius II?
>
>Never heard of such a beast, and it would have been futile to attempt to
>market an Aquarius II when the first one didn't do so hot. Perhaps you
>are referring to the Radofin Aquarius? If not, I want to know what you
>do, and I want to know it NOW! ;)
>
>Sam
Go to:
http://www.webcom.com/~makingit/bluesky/aquarius.html#aquarius2http://www.webcom.com/~makingit/bluesky/tech/aquarius_tech.html
"Confident in their system, Radofin's president, Lawrence M. Scott, Jr.,
announced that they would continue to sell Aquarius through a new
distributor, and would release Aquarius II in March of 1984 and Aquarius
III in July. None of this happened. "
James
jscarter(a)worldnet.att.net
Someone from my former home town has a bunch of MicroVAXen stuff
that's going to, he says, go to the scrapyard if no one expresses
interest. Any of the Bay Area crew care to negotiate with this guy?
Please reply directl to him. Thanks!
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Time to let go of some more treasured junk.
I have enough miscellaneous parts to put together about 3 working
microVAXEN, with many spare parts left over. The hoard includes but is
not
limited to:
(3) BA23 cabinets, (2) w/ floor-standing tower setups
(~5) CPUS
(1) monochrome monitor for QVSS graphics system
(1) color monitor for QDSS graphics system (history buffs! this is the
system that X was developed on, (i think!))
(2) 1.2Gb SMD disks
(lots) 80Mb RD53 MFM disks
(3) TK50 tape drives
lots of the typical controllers, memory, et cetera.
various versions of Ultrix and VMS
etc.
----------------------------------------------------------
Here's the deal: highest bid takes all the stuff. I'm not really
expecting
anyone to pay much for this stuff (but you can if you want:-)). If
someone
would trade me a 486 or better clone box (or even motherboard) that would
be fine.
Or, if you could come up with a fixed-scan PCI card, i'd keep just the
color monitor.
Or i'd trade the whole mess for a 17 or 19 inch multisync monitor, but i'm
not gonna hold my breath on that deal.
If after a week or two no one has expressed any interest at all, it will
go
to a scrap yard.
***NOTE: I like to collect old stuff myself, i've got tons of it and i
sympathize with the obsession, but PLEASE, PLEASE do not send me mail from
Nova Scotia or Britain saying could i ship the stuff to you it's a pity to
see it trashed. I'll only deliver it local to the Berkeley California
area, and then probably only if you can sweeten up the deal for me as
outlined above.
Thanks much,
Paul Leondis
leondis(a)slip.net
510-649-0993 phone
Berkeley, CA
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"...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe
an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly
define any of them!..."
I have successfully restored old plastic to near its original condition by
wiping it down with a "hot" solvent (I use acetone). Be advise that what
you are actually doing is removing the very top layer of the plastic, thus
exposing the original color. How much damage you do depends on the quality
of the plastic, how "hot" the solvent, and how carefully you go about the
work. A little trial and error on the underside will give some insight as
to how well it will clean up. A little furniture polish or similiar at the
end will generally gring back the luster of the plastic that has been
deadened by the solvent wipe.
Please, no flames about this. I do not recommend, nor do I personally use
this procedure on any equipment that I deem too valuable to "clean up". I
also have discolored HP equipment which will stay that way. OTOH, I see no
reason not to clean up old Commodores, and the like, this way. As far as an
ADAM goes, the owner will have to decide. I have a couple and put them in
the same catagory as Commodores, i.e., clean-up candidates.
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: A computer not mentioned, IIRC
>At 09:22 AM 12/22/97, you wrote:
>>I have several old HP computers that have done the same thing. Is there
>>any way to repair or restore the color?
>
>Not that I know of. It's not exactly smoke residue that you can wipe off,
>it's in the plastic itself. You could try some paint, but it could get
messy.
>
>- John Higginbotham
>- limbo.netpath.net
>
>
I would be grateful if someone on this list could help me.
I have a somewhat old-fashioned colleague who still uses an HP-85B.
This morning he came and asked me why the paper advance on the built in
printer wasn't working, what was he doing wrong?
He had borrowed an old HP-85 from another section (who had thrown it
out, apparently - it had a red sticker saying "Equipment not to be
used"), but this also wouldn't advance the paper, so he had concluded he
must be getting something wrong.
I tried a couple of times to no avail, so I took the lid off. (Why do
they have to make the tape eject button so huge?). Not much poking
around to discover that the toothed belt that drives the paper advance
had perished and snapped. The rubber was mostly in dust all over the
place; the strengthening threads were wrapped around the drive gear on
the motor. The smaller toothed belt that drove the print head was also
very ropy.
So, we opened up the other 85. The same fault, with the remaining belt
in worse condition.
To conclude, then, does anyone know where to get replacement belts, or
what the HP part numbers are, or any other useful information?
Philip.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Philip Belben <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Das Feuer brennt, das Feuer nennt die Luft sein Schwesterelement -
und frisst sie doch (samt dem Ozon)! Das ist die Liebe, lieber Sohn.
Poem by Christian Morgenstern - Message by Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk
Ran mine for two years, sold it to a friend, who ran it another two years
before selling it to someone else... Who knows? Maybe one of you guys have
it now. To make sure, check to see if the black nameplate on the top of the
printer is glued back on... :)
At 06:37 PM 12/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
>They also were _horribly_ unreliable. The DOA ratio was very high, and
>those that did survive rmoval from the shipping box often lasted a week or
>two before something died (I think the printer was often a source of
>problems).
>
- John Higginbotham
- limbo.netpath.net
First of all, I found a bunch more Apple things in my uncle's basement. Anyone
want? Manuals, software, etc. Visicalc, Terrapin LOGO, and some other ones are
complete packages. There are some commercial things from '84, '85. F.E. there
is an Apple II magazine that is all reviews. This is a 1985 copy with a
Lamborghini on the front, mostly about making the Apple II look like a Mac.
Now, for the second part. I have a //c, and my uncle has a II with an 80col.
card. Does anyone know if my //c can use a Z80 processor? I would like to try
CP/M on it. If it can't, does anyone have a Z80 card for a II, so that I could
run it on my uncle's machine? Also, any RAM cards, hard drives, modems, etc.
for the II and //c would be nice.
Thank you.
>Now, for the second part. I have a //c, and my uncle has a II with an 80col.
>card. Does anyone know if my //c can use a Z80 processor? I would like to try
>CP/M on it. If it can't, does anyone have a Z80 card for a II, so that I could
>run it on my uncle's machine? Also, any RAM cards, hard drives, modems, etc.
>for the II and //c would be nice.
Do you mean the //c or the //e? The //c cannot take cards at all, being
the small flat white one. The //e can take all that you mentioned. I do
not know if the //c can take a hard drive, but I imagine so, if it is
external (of course). However, I have a source in Adelaide of //c 1 meg
memory cards - difficult to install, as you need to remove the cpu and
several other bits, plug the card into the cpu socket and put it all back
togeather again, but it is also the only way I know of expanding a //c's
memory.
Adam.
Merch,
I used to run one of these back in my teenage years. It was a pretty neat
machine, except for a few downfalls: Little third party support, not a whole
heck of alot of software to choose from and power supply was built-in to the
printer.
On the plus side: You could run CP/M on it, and yes, playing all those
Colecovision games on it was a blast too. I think the normal retail price on
the system was $599, but it quickly dropped to $499 the first year, and by
the time it was headed out the stores you could snag one for $199. There's
still a couple of ADAM user's groups out there, just have to search the web
for them.
At 02:57 PM 12/20/97, you wrote:
>And for the crowning glory: A complete (hardware, software, and books)
>Coleco ADAM computer! I don't recall hearing this machine mentioned on the
>list as of yet (but I could be wrong), but it's an interesting machine! 80K
>Ram, 4Mhz Z-80, built-in 10cps daisy-wheel printer, all of the original
>dox, 2 keyboards, joysticks and a single 256K digital datassette drive. The
>drive allowed random access to the information on the tape (tho it was
>slower than floppy, for sure). It also had a copy of ADAMCalc w/dox, and a
>boxed, unopened extra blank digital tape, and an extra keyboard. I have not
>tested this yet, but it looks to be in perfect working order.
>
>This thing would even handle all of the original ColecoVision cartridges,
>so it should make a nice game box as well!
- John Higginbotham
- limbo.netpath.net
Well it's been awhile and things have slow. One of my finds yesterday was
AT&T UNIX PC with KB and mouse. Unit powers up find but then wants a logon
id and password, I got the unit at Goodwill for $30 so no manuals or other
information about it. My question is to anyone out there is there a way to
break this protection so that I can get to the harddrive ? This week I
also picked up a LISA with KB and mouse for $15 and it loaded with a OS
>from Sun Remarketing and works great, I also got some upgrade parts for the
LISA and will be installing them so I hope. I picked a large qty of
computers, printers, and other items that do not meet the 10 year
requirement yet but someday will and the prices were too low to pass on, so
I will not list them here yet. Some of the computers in that lot were MAC
Plus's, mice, and KB but I have not tested them yet. Got a TRS-80 model
100 that works but has one missing key that broken off so the guy gave me
the unit for free. Got something called a Tektronix 4211 with kB and mouse
for $5 (someone else got the 19" monitor for it) does anyone know what this
is ?? Also a Pulse Generator Datron SPG2000 unit anyone know this one ?? A
VTECH model L-128PS unit seems to work need to find more info on this one
too. A Apple Peronal Laserwriter NT for $5 but it needs some work powers
on but will not print anything ? A Hitachi CD-rom model CDR-1700S no way
to test this baby yet (it was free). A Laser128 $5 not tested yet, a HP
ThinkJet model 2225C not test yet free, Zenith model ZFA-138-42 free and
not tested yet. Last was a HP 1727A Oscilloscope with manual that works for
$5. I end here as I could write book, I hope to have my web site up in
January there you can see my collection. Keep Computing.
Your Adam is a rarity, if it works. I've got one (I gave away another last
year).
The interesting thing about Adams was the P/S was in the (serial daisy
wheel (!!)) printer.
manney(a)nwohio.com
Well, it seems that my Series/1 is not working right. I plugged it in and
turned it on, and everything(CPU, FD, small HD and I/O unit) SEEMS to be
working OK. Except that it won't boot. I took all the cards except CPU, FD
controller and 4978 terminal I/O cards out and setup the floppy drive as
the primary IPL device. Threw in a floppy labeled IPL(unknown if it really
is), set the CPU to auto-IPL on primary device, the LED's on the
programmer's panel lit up and did a few things and then it freezes(I waited
a around 15 minutes before I gave up) with LED's 8, 9, 10, 13 and 15 on.
Nothing happens at all, when the Series/1 is powered up the 4978 terminal
displays a "=" in the top left corner and does nothing. Right now I'm not
sure if the problem is in the CPU or floppy drive(I haven't had time to
clean out the floppy drive). Does anyone have any idea what's going wrong
or know someone who would know? I think the system was originally setup to
IPL from one of it's four 200MB hard drives, which are still up in the
garage(and I can't plug it in because of only 1 220v outlet. not good with
three racks needing power) along with two tape drives and another 4959
expansion unit. Well, at least it was free...
-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.htmlhttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/
I'd like to buy your disks (no manuals needed.) e-mail me.
manney(a)nwohio.com
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> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> To: Manney
> Subject: Re: Finds and info needed
> Date: Saturday, December 20, 1997 1:29 PM
>
> Greetings,
> I have a PILE read manymany, copies ofDOS 4.0x and 5.0 MD-DOS for the
Laser
> Machines...anybody want 720k disks? GRIN the DOS 4 has a MS-DOS Manual
and
> the DOS 5.0 is on 5 5/14 INCH disks..
> looking for Osborne III (for no apparent reason) or any ready ANY amount
of
> $$ to further the collection..not looking to get rich but save cubic
space
> in the storage unit..well thats the secret isn't it
>
> Take care
>
> Bill Marx
> billm(a)teleport.com
From: Desie Hay
Email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au
museum_curator(a)hotmail.com
can anybody help me find a lisa video daughtercard for my lisa 2/10 i
would be very greatful
how can i tell if my floppy controller is stuffed, i mean on mine it
could be that or the floppy drive itself, the floppy drive glows so it is
getting power....
anybody got a Lisa 1 they want to sell....
Has anyone got a service manual handy for a MiniScribe 3438P?
I yanked one from an XT clone to use with my SwTPC S/09, but
it won't format, and the most obvious possible problem is the
jumper settings. There are four that are obviously for drive
selects 0..3, and three others that might be the troublemakers.
I've tried some random settings, and in most of them it comes
up to speed okay, selects, and then after about three seconds
starts a probably unhealthy wobbling, sounding as if it is rapidly
seeking a million different tracks, one after the other. In
at least one setting, it doesn't always recognize when it has
got up to speed, and continues ramping up to a frightening pitch.
With the jumpers set as they were in the XT, it selects okay,
but I get error messages any time I try to read, write, or
format the thing. It still works okay in the XT though.
Anyway, help would be appreciated. I've already searched the
web quite a bit. Found some specs, and a thread in which people
were looking for the right settings to use in a PC, but nothing
about what the jumpers mean (or how to set them for an S/09!).
In other news, I recently realized that I can upgrade my S/09's
memory just by slapping 4164's into the unused IC sockets. I
had a few lying around, so it got an immediate 64K upgrate. 192K
more is on order. I can still remember when this would have
cost money! :-)
Cheers!
Bill.
i saw a complete tandem computer system for sale for $8 today. it has the
usual desktop case, a monitor and two external 5.25 floppy drives with what
appears to be a seagate mfm drive with each floppy drive! the system is
complete, and everything is connected together, but was unable to test it. is
this thing worth getting, or is it just another pc compatible? i have plenty
of xt and 286 variants to keep me going for a long time. if its something
else, or has significant historical value, i'll go get it.
david
I just got an IBM Series/1! This is going to be fun, but it's going to take
a long time to get running. It's filled with more dust than I've ever seen
in a computer, and it uses 230v which means I don't have much of a choice
of where to plug it into. And the manuals... That's going to take WEEKS to
go through! But hey, I got four 200MB hard drives, a 4956-K00 CPU, a few
I/O units and an 8 inch floppy drive out of it! Whheee! I LOVE those 8 inch
drives!
OK, thats going to take a while to sort through everything. On to the PC card.
I found this strange 8-bit card labeled:
Scan Doubler S/N 1179
PGS P/N8403001
It has two DB-9 connectors on the end, and it was pulled from an old PC.
It's probably about a half length card. Any ideas on what it is? I was
thinking some sort of dual-monitor video card...
TIA
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:47:09 +0000 (GMT),
Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
>>Yes they are (at least, they are on all my RK05's). It's easiest to remove
>>the entire front panel from the drive (4 Phillips screws), when you can
>>trivially see the PCB that holds the switches and the lamps. The lamps
>>plug into little sockets on the PCB - just pull them straight out.
>>We call these lamps T 1 3/4 (That's 'T' one and three quarters) bi-pin
>>bulbs in the UK. No idea what they're called elsewhere.
The T 1-3/4 size exists here in the US, too, but I most frequently I see
it in referring to LEDs. The T 1-3/4 incandescent bulb size is E-5 (for
5mm), I think.
Anyway, so long as I am replacing these lights, why can't I replace them
with amber LEDs? I figure that I can plug an LED-resistor combo into the
same socket and tune the brightness with the resistor. I remember reading
somewhere that the lamp power is 8v. I'll test it first, but does this sound
right?
Thanks for the info, Tony.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
Charter ClubWin! Member
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
Hello -
I am still using my HP 71. Do you want to sell your HP 71 service
manual?
John
> I remember that at the HP calculator conference 5 years ago I bought an
> HP71 service manual. Now, this manual is not common, and it came in the
> original shrink-wrap. Having got it, I ripped off said shrink-wrap, opened
> the manual, and started reading. You see, I didn't buy the manual as an
> example of HP shrink-wrap. I bought it to learn about the HP71. And that's
> something you can only do when you've opened the manual.
>
> >
> > No flame wars please, just the random philosophical question...
>
> Well, it's your machine, so you have to decide what to do in the end...
>
> >
> > -jim
>
> -tony
>
>
>
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Speaking of Osbornes, I recently ran across an Osborne 4 (I didn't
even know they went that high), in a nice blue and white molded plastic
case. The keyboard (kinda small) flipped open on hinges to reveal a
9"display, and couple drives (I think there were two), and given the
portables of the time it was reatively light! Was able to attempt a
power-up but no display... Bummer at $15 It almost went for the VFC 2.0
sale booth.. :)
===================================================================
Did some updating to the PET FAQ, some notes on how to program sound.
including a table of the notes you can produce, a listing of the
extremely small but useful tape2disk program, etc. Next probably will
be PET memory maps (all three ROMs, orogonal upgrade and 4.0); I have
been attempting this the lazy route of scanning them in, but the books I
have all use such small point sizes that the OCR program has problems
translating. I will try to use a copier to enlarge them someday soon.
I have cleared space on one of my desks (my brother is now a proud
owner of a complete Amiga 500 system, which of course, I will still have
access to) to set up a PET after a few years without easy access to
one. This PET (32k upgrade ROMs) needs some work as one program keeps
locking it up, I suspect it may be one of the 6520s... It also needs to
have the RAM checked (anyone know a source for 4116-4s?) Once I get
comfortable working with this one I'll switch and see about getting the
SuperPET running and also the original PET (which I really want to get
to, as I now have an EPROM programmer to read the ROMs with.)
Another recent arrival is a package from DigiKey of 10-12/24 edgeboard
connectors, for making a PET joystick adaptor, a mini-networking project
I've been thinking about, and I may try this 'PET composite Video
Adapter' I have plans for to see if it actually does not work as Enrico
has warned me...
The PET shares space with a VIC-20 (also recently set-up) and maybe if
I can squeeze it in, a Plus/4 too.. Then I would have a large portion
of the Commodore 8-bit models runnable (C128, C-64,
Plus/4, VIC-20, PET). Some of my plans would be to refine my disk
collections and work up some menus and utilites for each of the machines
(including some sort of standardized compression/archive utility).
I am anxiously awaiting the new year as many more families upgrade
their older systems to something more contemporary and take their older
ones to yard sales, flea markets, and thrift shops (or maybe call me to
take them off their hands.)... ;)
Larry Anderson
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Found this on Usenet. Can anyone help this fellow out? I know I've got
at least one spare MicroVAX II CPU, possibly an 11/73...
Please reply directly to the author. Thanks! Attachment follows.
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From: aceware(a)iinet.net.au (Tony Epton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: WTB: 11/73 cpu chips or cards or repair. Ditto MicroVax II
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 20:52:13 GMT
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We have four 11/73 cpu cards in our museum collection which will run
the ODT but cannot execute any instructions. We suspect the CPU chips.
Can anyone source the cpu chips or the entire board at a reasonable
price or service the boards at a reasonable price.
Ditto MicroVax II cpu boards.
Thanks
Tony Epton
President
Australian Computer Museum Association (WA Branch)
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The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272)
kyrrin2 {at} wiz<ards> d[o]t n=e=t
"...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe
an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly
define any of them!..."
It looks like I may have a line on a couple (maybe three) of PDP-8/E CPUs,
and while I intend to pickup one of them for my collection, it may make
the deal easier if I take more than one (perhaps all) of them.
So... anyone out there looking for a PDP-8/E to call their own?
At the moment, I'm trying to gauge interest. Prices have not been
finalized yet, and they are on the East Coast, so shipping will be a
consideration as well.
If you are interested, please drop me a note (please don't reply to the
list) and indicate what one would be worth to you, and what options you
want (need) to have...
At present, it appears that all of the available units will have at least
16k of core, and EAE.
The units are reported to be in good condition, recently removed from
service. CPU chassis (box) only, (to save on shipping) none of the 6
foot 'corporate' racks... (unless someone *really* wants one)
-jim
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I'm getting ready to kill the other account (dseagrav(a)tek-star.net).
If you want to mail me, please mail me here (dseagrav(a)toad.xkl.com).
The tek-star account will be active for a little longer, maybe a week.
-------
Thanks. I owe you one. Now.... if I could only get the ROM. (I don't
currenlty own one; but they're really cool. When I got my hands on one;
they were old and outdated, at a friends house. At the time, I had no
respects for classics.)
Bye,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: kroma <kroma(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 5:21 PM
Subject: Apple //gs emulator
>
>
>
>>Does anyone know 'bout an emulator for a IIGS? (For x86)
>
>
>There is XGS. Its available at http://www.jurai.org/~funaho/emulators/XGS/
>
> -- Kirk
>
>
At 10:48 PM 12/16/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Any tips to find out if this already does have or not:
>hardware upgrades, etc? Because I can not open it up on site and
>does not have anything, no boot disk, no power cord. Just that.
I don't know, I'm afraid. (I think, though, that it uses a standard IEC
line cord? Or is my memory gone?)
>All I do is letting you know if anyone is interested in this Osborne.
If I were lucky enough to be going to Canada any time soon, I buy it off
you, but I already have several, and can't really justify the shipping
costs. (Especially right now. 8^( )
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Having just received the donation of a Wang 2200 mini for the Windsor
Science Centre, (no documentation of course,) am wondering if anyone can
give me any information on it?
We also received a Kim-1, but lots of info on that.
Thanks
Charlie Fox
Does anyone know 'bout an emulator for a IIGS? (For x86)
-----Original Message-----
From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Good price for //gs system?
>
>Actually that doesn't sound like two bad of a price for a bare bones //gs,
>especially if it includes the Keyboard and _Mouse_ (as both work on any Mac
>SE or newer, there is demand just for them). I did some looking a few
>months ago when I was looking for a //gs, and the average seemed to be $250
>at that time, needless to say I didn't spend that.
>
>Everynow and then I see them at GoodWill, and that's where I got one, I
>think it cost me about $50 for a ROM.01, with a 1Mb card, and monitor. The
>drives go for $10-15 at the local GW, but I had drives, keyboard, mouse and
>manuals from a previous deal I'd gotten at an auction. You can get the
>Operating System off of Apple's web site (I forget where).
>
>If it's got a 4Mb RAM card, a SCSI card, or an accelerated CPU I say it's
>definitly worth the price.
>
>On the other had I personally don't see them being worth that much, they
>seem to be rather inflated in price typically. They are a very cool
>computer though. IIRC there are a couple businesses selling them for about
>$500, how is that for inflated!
>
> Zane
>
>>For that price it should have 4megs. Im a //gs user as well
>>
>>
>>> I found a guy on comp.sys.apple2 selling //gs systems. $125 + S/H for a
>>very
>>> clean ROM.03 version with both 51/4 and 31/2 floppy drives, an RGB
>>monitor,
>>> keyboard, and all cables.
>>>
>>> Since this is my first time looking at the //gs's, how does that price
>>> sound? He also has ROM.01 versions.
>>>
>>> Rich Cini/WUGNET
>>> Charter ClubWin! Member
>>> MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
>| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
>| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
>+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
>| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
>| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |
>| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. |
>| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |
>
>
For that price it should have 4megs. Im a //gs user as well
----------
> From: Richard A. Cini <rcini(a)email.msn.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Good price for //gs system?
> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 2:14 PM
>
> I found a guy on comp.sys.apple2 selling //gs systems. $125 + S/H for a
very
> clean ROM.03 version with both 51/4 and 31/2 floppy drives, an RGB
monitor,
> keyboard, and all cables.
>
> Since this is my first time looking at the //gs's, how does that price
> sound? He also has ROM.01 versions.
>
> Rich Cini/WUGNET
> Charter ClubWin! Member
> MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
>
>
>
>
The AC adapter is still available from Radio Shack although at a premium price - about $25. There is also a 16K memory add-on that can sometimes be found used on the net.
Bob
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From: SUPRDAVE[SMTP:SUPRDAVE@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 1997 10:05 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: new additions: tandy mc10
just acquired a little computer called a trs80 model mc-10. at first i though
it was a timex sinclair variant, but it really seems to be a baby coco. doesnt
look to be expandable though and of course, i'm missing the ac adaptor. anyone
have additional info?
david
At 11:49 PM 12/13/97 +0000, you wrote:
>recently saw a Osborne
>that uses coiled keyboard cable with that dinky teesy monitor at $24.
>Passed it for that stupid price (pirate!) (How can I tell
>without powering it or open the shells up for custom internal
Is that canadian $? Osbornes seem to regularly sell on ebay for US$100+;
$24 doesn't seem like such a bad investment. (You could get that much for
it even if it didn't work.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Before I start tearing apart my two "new" RK05 drives, can anyone tell me if
the panel lamps are removable without soldering? I have a copule of lamps
that need to be replaced and I can't see too well into the cavity.
Also, I'm looking to get rid of two DEC 200/MC remote access concentrators
and a Multi-Tech modem rack. The modem rack is cool, filled with 12, 2400
baud modems. I got these as part of a 6' equipment rack (which is now filled
with a PDP11/34a).
Also, just an aside. I sent the now-infamous Altair scans tape to Bill
Whitson. I would assume that in the next two weeks they should be posted to
the ftp site (assuming that they pass Bill's tests!)
Rich Cini/WUGNET
Charter ClubWin! Member
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
just acquired a little computer called a trs80 model mc-10. at first i though
it was a timex sinclair variant, but it really seems to be a baby coco. doesnt
look to be expandable though and of course, i'm missing the ac adaptor. anyone
have additional info?
david
>just acquired a little computer called a trs80 model mc-10. at first i though
>it was a timex sinclair variant, but it really seems to be a baby coco. doesnt
>look to be expandable though and of course, i'm missing the ac adaptor. anyone
>have additional info?
I might be able to help - I came across one recently but haven't had the
chance to stop by to pick it up. Anyway, the MC-10 or Micro Color Computer
(I assume they are the same thing here - if I'm wrong please discount any
comments I make here) cost around $120 when first released, and it was
intended to compete with the Timex and VIC-20. (And, I imagine, the TI 99/2
- did any of these ever appear?) I don't know of its success as such, but
as I have only seen the one I suspect it was far from great, especially
considering that it was released late (for a ultra-cheap throw-away
computer) against stiff competition. According to my info, video was 16
lines by 32 characters (uppercase only) with 8 colours. Apparantly there
were also 16 graphics characters. It came with 4k RAM, expandable to 16K,
and used the Motorola 6803. It has sound, but I have no idea about how
good it was, and, as per normal, used cassettes for storage.
They look keen, anyway. The one I am after was marked at $100 - they tried
to tell me that was the price. I doubt it was much more here when new. :) I
managed to talk them down to $15, but that was $14 more than I had on me -
so I need to go back and get one of my own. Maybe this weekend.
Hope that helps,
Adam.
Dear Sir:
I have been looking for someone to format and copy some hard disks used
on an iRMX system.
I noticed that you mentioned a company - InBUS - that repaired some of
your equipment. I searched for references to them but found nothing
promising.
Perhaps you sitll have some information about them. If so would you be
so kind as to pass along their contact info?
At any rate I hope it all worked out for you. Ahhh... the joys of
"Legacy Equipment"!
thanks,
Jim Feld
Hathaway Industrial Automation
I found a guy on comp.sys.apple2 selling //gs systems. $125 + S/H for a very
clean ROM.03 version with both 51/4 and 31/2 floppy drives, an RGB monitor,
keyboard, and all cables.
Since this is my first time looking at the //gs's, how does that price
sound? He also has ROM.01 versions.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
Charter ClubWin! Member
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
<From: Zeus334(a)aol.com
<Is there any way that CP/M is better than MS-DOS? i.e. does it provide
<anything that DOS doesn't?
CP/M is a generic but there are distinct flavors so...
First off it's not a MS product and sources can be had. For the
8080/z80 crowd there is literally a mountain of free software out there.
For the 8088/6 and 80x86 family MS managed to snuff it out before much
was developed. CPM-86 uses a different directory than MSDOS.
Now... there are CPM for PC products like CCPM, DRdos7 and OpenDOS
and they are dos replacements based off the outgrowth of CP/M-86.
Caldara is one source. They offer things dos didn't do and most are
available as sources.
Allison
> Is there any way that CP/M is better than MS-DOS? i.e. does it provide
> anything that DOS doesn't?
One thing I've always really really missed in MS-DOS is the IOBYTE. I've done
enought whacky wild things with the IOBYTE (debugging a program running on one
screen by interacting with the debugger on another, interacting with a user on
one terminal while drawing pictures on a Tek 4010, even a serial mouse-based
dorky little sketch program) that I really miss it.
But by far the absolutely most important thing CP/M does better than MS-DOS is
be hardware independent. The CP/M community isn't tied to one hardware
platform like the MS-DOS community is. Sure, there _used_ to be wild and
interesting MS-DOS machines, but you can no longer run even the most basic
software on anything that doesn't have memory mapped video in a certain
location, a pair of 8259 interrupt controllers, 8250 UARTs, a particular
keyboard controller, etc.
I'm split about whether CP/M's filesystem or MS-DOS's file system is worse.
FAT sucks big time (especially FAT12), but at least it doesn't have to go
searching through the entire directory every 16KB. Of course, given exactly
how much FAT sucks, it's usually only one day a week or so that I think CP/M's
filesystem is worse than MS-DOS's...
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Does anybody need some old Mac Software (great for all of those
"classic" macs that don't have the memory for system >= 6). Lots of
great stuff that I just can't bring myself to toss out, but which I will
*never* use again.
If you want it badly enough to pay for shipping, plus a token $1 for my
trouble, email me.
-mark
<thompson(a)tgsoft.com>
p.s. Includes lightspeed C, kriya neon, microsoft multiplan and borland reflex
Well; on the case; it just says "Zenith"; I believe. It's a square design;
with two horizontally-located 5 1/2" bays; occupied by some kind of black
disk drive. One of the computers IS a Zenith 286; w/ 20MB HDD; 2 FDDs; etc.
and a CGA (EGA?) monitor. The others are Wangs.... not really too peachy
either; but they seem to run like 286's. Of course; at the Embassy; we've
all got our Pentiums; our Windows 95 w/ a Windows NT server.....
But the HDD is just DEAD; from what I can tell. I'd just want to
replace that; hardware-transparently if possible; but if not.... I've got
all my life.
Thanks for the advice,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
>>malfuctioning PCs that I know of. Remember; this is for a high school;
>>for >the Department of Defence dependants; and a few others, but their
>>funding is >not... ideal. So if you could please just send a MFM HDD,
>>or; if you have
>
>I can guarentee that, the whole base in Bahrain isn't that great. I just
>happened to realize something, are these 286's "Zenith 248's"? If so they
>can be a real pain to add anything to. The DOD had ton's of these, back in
>'87 the government was getting them for about $1500 apiece. Horrible
>design, but I've got "fond" memories of them :^)
>
> Zane
>
>
>| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
>| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
>| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
>+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
>| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
>| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |
>| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. |
>| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |
>
>
No idea how many Australians are on this list, but I have just been offered
3 CPC6128's with colour monitors. I am thinking I could do with one (both
of the others I own have some faults) and would be willing to pick up the
others if anyone is after one. They'll cost me around $30 each, though - a
good price (they are normally around $50 because of the monitors), but not
wonderful.
Adam.
>Dunno, I attended a Navy class on these back in '91 or '92, and the bit
>that really shocked me was the CPU on a daughterboard. I'm also almost
>positive it didn't use SIMMs. It could be this design was the DOD version
>of the Z-248, or was yours upgraded with a different MB to get a more
>expandable system.
Well; we'll find out soon enough! (When I get the supplies)
>I just happened to think of another oddity about this computer, it's the
>only IBM clone I can remember using that had a Boot ROM that you could drop
>into. I think CNTRL-ALT-INS drops you into it, but I'm not sure. I seem
>to remember finding it by accident originally.
I'll try that the next time I see one.
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Tim D. Hotze | "I'm Sure that God intended for me to be |
Techie | rich, it just hasn't happened yet."
|
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> Okay... I'll take the IDE cards; but then I'd need IDE HDDs. I used to
have
> 2; but then I gave one to a friend (and their 286!) and the other ended
up
> going to repair another friends computer. So I'd need the drives too....
As
> close to 15MB as they come....
I don't know if there was such a thing as a 15 MB IDE. There was a 20 MB
(ST 125? It had the same characteristics as the ST-225). I think I have a
coupla 40 MB's.
You'll have to have IDE cards with floppy controller, and serial/parallel,
'cause that's what I have.
> You can just ship 'em to me. I can pay for shipping; if you want.
Please. I'm not independently wealthy, as some of the collectors on this
list seem to be (OH NO! I've just started another flame war! :)
> DO NOT SHIP THEM TO THE SCHOOL.
manney(a)nwohio.com
Cross-post from comp.os.cpm. Reply to the author.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
<nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use)
ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
============================================
"My basement is overflowing with stuff I have been unable to send to the
landfill. Lots of Boards, 8" disks, Terminals, C P/M programs.
What I'm trying to do is find a home for are some Godbout CompuPro
CPUs running C P/M. I tossed several band printers into the dumpster along
with the LearSiegler Terminal, but couldn't bear to do that with
these reliable, inestructible old Classics.. I still have terminals for the
S-100 's a Wyse with separate keyboard and a Heath/Zenith Z-19.
The Godbout machines work marvelously. I am interested in contacting
anyone who could use these reliable old machines.
reply to joanahone(a)aol.com "
=======================
=========================================
Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com
Senior Software Engineer
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum
=========================================
Has anyone heard of a Sanyo MBC - 675. Do you know anything about it?
=========================================
Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com
Senior Software Engineer
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum
=========================================
Not So. Atari was completely sold to Tramiel. You might be confusing
them with Activision which was founded by former Atari programmers.
----------
From: Uncle Roger
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 12:29PM
At 05:24 PM 12/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Atari is now making games for all the game platforms. They still
retain
>the rights!
I think that's Atari Games which Warner held on to (? at least it didn't
fall into the hands of Tramiel) and has been putting out arcade games as
well, I think.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
At 05:24 PM 12/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Atari is now making games for all the game platforms. They still retain
>the rights!
I think that's Atari Games which Warner held on to (? at least it didn't
fall into the hands of Tramiel) and has been putting out arcade games as
well, I think.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
They gave JTS a bridge loan of 25 Million and merged with JTS. If the
merger did not work JTS owes the loan. If it does work, then the loan
is forgiven. Atari licensed games to Sega and Nintendo. They also
write games for other platforms including MS DOS/Windows. I believe
their name is now ATARI INTERACTIVE GAMES, but I'll check on it.
----------
From: Hotze
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 10:17PM
Can you give me more info?
-----Original Message-----
From: Faiaz, Michael C. HSD <FAIAZMC(a)hsd.utc.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
>Atari is now making games for all the game platforms. They still
retain
>the rights!
>
> ----------
>From: Don Maslin
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
>Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
>Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 3:06PM
>
>
>On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Uncle Roger wrote:
>
>> At 01:19 PM 11/14/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> >Well, it won't help you now, but a company called JTS Corporation
has
>the best
>> >HDDs I've seen in a LONG time. I was using a WD Caviar 2.0 GB, and
it
>was
>>
>> For a little classic content, JTS is the company that acquired the
>remnants
>> of Atari Corp. Haven't done anything with it, that I know of, but in
the
>> future...?
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
O-
>>
>> Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being
mad
>> sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen
know."
>> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
>> San Francisco, California
http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
>
>For a little more 'classic content', the "JT" in JTS is for Jugi Tandon
>of oldtime floppy disk drive fame and later hard disk and PC clones.
>The
>hard disk rights were sold to Western Digital at the time that they
>bailed out of the card making business. Small world, ain't it?
>
> - don
>
> donm(a)cts.com
>*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
-
>*
> Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
> Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
> Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
> Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) - 619-454-8412
>*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*-
-
>*
> see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj
>
>
;-) Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Bill Whitson said:
>So, everybody knows where the web site is
>now ;). The system was changed to NT recently
>and I'm still figuring out IIS. I'll either
>fix the machine or the FAQ ;).
This is NT we're talking about -- the machine is a lost cause unless ya
revert to *nix / Solaris.
Of course, I wonder if I could write a webserver for OS-9 Level II.... ;-)
Does anyone have the specifications for programming a TCP/IP stack? (yea
I've heard of KA9Q... but that's all in C, so it's too big for a CoCo). I'm
talking from _scratch_...
Have fun,
"Merch"
--
Roger Merchberger | Why does Hershey's put nutritional
Programmer, NorthernWay | information on their candy bar wrappers
zmerch(a)northernway.net | when there's no nutritional value within?
Okay... I'll take the IDE cards; but then I'd need IDE HDDs. I used to have
2; but then I gave one to a friend (and their 286!) and the other ended up
going to repair another friends computer. So I'd need the drives too.... As
close to 15MB as they come....
You can just ship 'em to me. I can pay for shipping; if you want. DO
NOT SHIP THEM TO THE SCHOOL. If it would make you feel more comfortable, I
can get the teachers address, but not yet.
Thanks,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: PG Manney <manney(a)nwohio.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 4:08 AM
Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
>Haven't they made 3 1/2 to 5 1/4 rails for lo, these many years?
>
>I have a box full of WD 103 controller cards somewhere...just not sure
>where. I _do_ know where my ISA IDE cards are.
>
>...but where are these supposed to be sent?
>
>manney
>
>----------
>> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
>> To: Manney
>> Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
>> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 8:51 PM
>>
>> Yes; but then I'd have to ship the controller cards as well. These only
>> have the 5 1/2" (or whatever) drivebays; the ones that fit the XTs; etc.
>I
>> think that they're half-height.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com>
>> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
>> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>> Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 1:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
>>
>>
>> >On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, PG Manney wrote:
>> >
>> >> Sent where?
>> >>
>> >> Since those are 286's, they could be outfitted with cheapo IDE's such
>as
>> >> ST-157's and 125's as well...IDE paddle cards are common.
>> >>
>> >Actually, that is probably the smarter thing to do. Smaller drives,
>less
>> >shipping weight and less postage. Also newer than MFM/RLL and more
>> >readily available, and about equally inexpensive.
>> >
>> > - don
>> >
>>
I'm in contact with someone who has some good classic machines and
alot of extras that he tring to find a good home for. He is located in
Billings, Montana.
=================
"My basement is overflowing with stuff I have been unable to send to the
landfill. Lots of Boards, 8" disks, Terminals, C P/M programs.
What I'm trying to do is find a home for are some Godbout CompuPro
CPUs running C P/M. I tossed several band printers into the dumpster
along with the LearSiegler Terminal, but couldn't bear to do that with
these reliable, inestructible old Classics.. I still have terminals for the
S-100 's a Wyse with separate keyboard and a Heath/Zenith Z-19.
The Godbout machines work marvelously. I am interested in contacting
anyone who could use these reliable old machines.
reply to joanahone(a)aol.com "
=================
=========================================
Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com
Senior Software Engineer
Press Start Inc.
Sunnyvale,CA
Curator
Museum of Personal Computing Machinery
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum
=========================================
Can you give me more info?
-----Original Message-----
From: Faiaz, Michael C. HSD <FAIAZMC(a)hsd.utc.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
>Atari is now making games for all the game platforms. They still retain
>the rights!
>
> ----------
>From: Don Maslin
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
>Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
>Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 3:06PM
>
>
>On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Uncle Roger wrote:
>
>> At 01:19 PM 11/14/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> >Well, it won't help you now, but a company called JTS Corporation has
>the best
>> >HDDs I've seen in a LONG time. I was using a WD Caviar 2.0 GB, and it
>was
>>
>> For a little classic content, JTS is the company that acquired the
>remnants
>> of Atari Corp. Haven't done anything with it, that I know of, but in the
>> future...?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
>>
>> Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
>> sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know."
>> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
>> San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
>
>For a little more 'classic content', the "JT" in JTS is for Jugi Tandon
>of oldtime floppy disk drive fame and later hard disk and PC clones.
>The
>hard disk rights were sold to Western Digital at the time that they
>bailed out of the card making business. Small world, ain't it?
>
> - don
>
> donm(a)cts.com
>*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
>*
> Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
> Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
> Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
> Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) - 619-454-8412
>*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--
>*
> see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj
>
>
=============================================================================
ClassicCmp - The Classic Computers Discussion List
Part 2 in the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy
List Specific FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) v1.6.3
Last Update: 12/10/97
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
This FAQ is written with the primary purpose of making readily available
answers to the more common questions appearing on ClassicCmp. It is
Maintained by Bill Whitson <bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu>. The infor-
mation in this document has been gathered from a variety of sources but,
in general, the members of ClassicCmp should be credited for all contain-
ed herein. I have, of course, endeavored to be as accurate as is possible
and often failed ;).
This FAQ is Part 2 of the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy. The information presented
deals with regular day-to-day issues on the list.
If you have questions, comments, or corrections (always welcome) please
contact me at the address above.
A current copy of this FAQ is available on the web at http://haliotis.bothellwashington.edu/classiccmp or via anonymous FTP at 140.142.225.188 in the
directory /pub/classiccmp/faqs as cclpart2.faq.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Updates: Added: section 1.8
Changed: section 1.3, 1.5, 1.7, 3.1
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1. About the List
-----------------
1.1 What is ClassicCmp?
1.2 Why is ClassicCmp?
1.3 What's a Classic Computer?
1.4 Who runs this thing?
1.5 How come I can never reach this so-called list operator?
1.6 Don't you know you're duplicating what others have done?
1.7 How much mail should I expect to get on this list?
1.8 How long has this list been around?
2. Protocol and Etiquette
-------------------------
2.1 What can I talk about?
2.2 Can I talk about PCs?
2.3 Can I talk about Mini/MainFrames?
2.4 Can I post advertisements?
2.5 Can I ask people to give me their computers?
2.6 Can I ask for help fixing item x?
2.7 Where should I look before posting a dumb question?
2.8 Can I type obscenities about Microsoft in ALL CAPS?!?
2.9 Can I post trophy lists?
2.10 Can I use obscene languagein my posts?
3. Misc List Information
------------------------
3.1 How many subscribers are there?
3.2 How many subscribers use machine x?
3.3 Is this list archived?
4. ClassicCmp Resources on the Net
----------------------------------
4.1 Does ClassicCmp have a Web Site?
4.2 How come the Web Site is so ugly?
4.3 Does ClassicCmp have an FTP Site?
Collecting
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5.1 Where can I find Classic Computers?
5.2 How much is machine x worth?
5.3 Will thousands of innocent machines be scrapped if I don't save them?
5.4 I don't understand anything. Help!
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1.1 What is ClassicCmp?
It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center
on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place
for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions
dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are
often better handled in private e-mail ;)
1.2 Why is ClassicCmp?
Uh, why not? There are lots of people who love these old machines and it
seems like a fun idea to get together and talk about them.
1.3 What is a Classic Computer?
_Any computer_ that has not been manufactured for 10 years is a classic.
This definition is one I made up and it's entirely arbitrary. It seems to
work OK, so I've kept it.
This definition has come under fire recently but remains the guideline.
Remember that it is certainly flexible. The idea is to keep conversation
on track, not to restrict what you can talk about.
1.4 Who runs this thing?
That would be me, Bill Whitson - email bcw(a)u.washington.edu.
1.5 How come I can never reach this so-called list operator?
Sorry. It does often take me several days (sometimes weeks!) to respond
to e-mail. I am often away for days at a time and when I'm not I'm still
probably busy doing real work. I receive more than double the amount of
mail that goes to the list in the form of spam, bounced messages, odd
user requests, general bitching, etc. and I still have to filter out the
messages I actually have to respond to, to remain employed ;). I will get
back to you eventually.
As an update, I've been _really_ hard to reach for the last couple months.
Hopefully, this has now changed. Please keep in mind that this list is
recreation for me, and I sometimes cannot devote any time to it. This
does not indicate a lack of interest in the people or activities
involved.
1.6 Do you know you're just duplicating work other people have done.
I get a "reinventing the wheel" e-mail at least once a week. If you show
me another group of computer collectors that claims a membership as large
as this one I'll show you a group that must be very hard to find. Obviously
there are other groups of collectors and I'm cheering them on - I don't see
a problem with duplicating and reduplicating lore that's quickly disappearing
anyway.
1.7 How much mail should I expect to get on this list?
The daily load varies widely from about 20 messages to over 100. Average
seems to be about (I haven't checked lately, will update) messages a day.
There are times where the message load peaks for as much as a week.
1.8 How long has this list been around?
The first message went out March 13, 1997.
[][][][][][][][][]
2.1 What can I talk about?
Anything related to classic computers as defined above. There are many
people on this list that really know what they're talking about, so you might
want to check facts before you start shooting off messages. It's also a
good idea to actually read the FAQs and check the archives a little before
posting.
2.2 Can I talk about PCs?
Yes. PCs which haven't been manufactured for 10 years. Even then, be
aware that in many cases you would get a better response posting to PC
newsgroups.
2.3 Can I talk about Minis/MainFrames/WorkStations/Gigantic Talking Boxes
with Flashing Lights & Coundown Timers/Robots from Alien Civilizations?
There has apparently been some misconception that this is a list for
micros/home computers only. You'll note I said "misconception".
2.4 Can I post advertisements?
Sure. As long as they're related to _classic_ computers. And, of course,
use your brain - don't spam. Also, please state up-front whether or not
you are willing to ship the items you sell outside your country as there
are members of this list in a number of different countries.
If your post is commercial, please be sure to indicate that in some way
in the subject line.
2.5 Can I ask people to sell/give me their computers?
Sure. But you're not likely to get a very nice response. Mine, for example,
would be: Get your own f***ing computer! There are several people on
usenet who will vouch for this. When someone posts about one of their
machines without offering to sell it - it's really a pretty good bet that
they're not secretly trolling for offers. See section 5 for info on how to
find yourself a computer.
2.6 Can I ask for help fixing item x.
Yes. Be aware that it may be difficult to help you fix things if you don't
have much knowledge of how computers work or of how to use basic
electronics tools (VOM/DMM, soldering iron, EPROM burner, etc). I'm no whiz
with this stuff and the little knowledge I have has come from asking
questions and then buying books to find out what "Simple... Just check
the voltage on the caps in the PS to make sure one of them isn't flaking
out!" exactly means.
2.7 Where can I look before posting a dumb question?
It might be a good idea to take a look at what's available in the Archive
section of the ClassicCmp web site (see below).
2.8 Can I type obscenities about Microsoft in ALL CAPS!?!
(Or, in general, be unreasonable with reagard to advocacy posts?)
Check your anti-MS baggage at the door, please. For that matter, drop
any posts that serve only to perpetuate the holy wars.
2.9 Can I post trophy lists?
Some people like to read other peoples' trophy lists, some do not. There
have been times when most people have been interested in these and times
when many wanted to see them banned. So, they remain - appreciated or
tolerated and somewhat controversial. Can't make everyone happy all the
time ;)
2.10 Can I use obscene language in my posts?
Yes. Although I'm sure many people would prefer you did not. A number of
people have complained about this. I'm not going to outlaw swearing - now
that I've informed you that it bothers people you can make your choice.
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3.1 How many subscribers are there?
Around 210 and changing daily.
3.2 How many subscribers use machine x?
Check the web site (see below). The Classic Computer Encyclopedia shows
the number of machines registered by subscribers.
3.3 Is this list archived?
Yes. The archives are available on the FTP site (see below) in the
directory /pub/classiccmp/archive. The file name format indicates
the month/year of the archive. Keep in mind that they are quite large.
[][][][][][][][][][]
4.1 Does ClassicCmp have a web site?
Yep. http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp
4.2 How come the web site is so ugly?
How come a PET is so ugly? Who cares as long as it works?
4.3 Does ClassicCmp have an FTP site?
Yes. Anonymous FTP at 140.142.225.188. Look in /pub/classiccmp. There's
not much there that's not available on the web site. I'm starting to
load old drivers and system disks on occasion. There is an incoming
directory which subscribers may use for ClassicCmp-related file transfers
if needed.
[][][][][][][][][][]
5.1 Where can I find classic computers?
The best places seem to be thrift stores and swap meets. These are
closely followed by pawn shops and mom and pop computer stores.
The holy grails are electronics scrap yards - but they tend to be wary
of individual pick-and-choosers. Oh yeah - garage sales!
5.2 How much is machine x worth?
Precisely as much as you'll pay for it. Oh, you're selling it? Then,
precisely as much as I'll pay for it. Seriously, no one prices these any
more. I have an old Computer Blue Book that lists many classic
computers but the prices are just ridiculous. Some machines (Apple
Lisa's, old old Mini's, and unreleased prototypes) are starting down
the road toward their original selling prices but it's unlikely that
most will ever be worth more than the cost of their components.
5.3 Will 1000's of innocent machines be scrapped if I don't save them?
Yes. This is the impetus behind every collector's tireless and selfless
effort. Each machine we fail to save has it's gold parts mercilessly
hacked off and sold (just like rhino horns - and look at the rhinos).
The remainder is then sent to China to be made into bicycle spokes (you
probably think I'm joking). Save a computer! Act now! Remind your
SO of the rhino and cuter, fuzzier animals. It might work.
In all seriousness - there are a large (and growing) number of so called
"computer and electronics 'recyclers'" who take usable computers and
recycle them into "reusable scrap". Small amounts of gold, silver, and
platinum are extracted and the remainder of the material is generally
just marketed to less wasteful countries.
5.4 I don't understand anything. Help!
Don't worry - you're not the only one. Reading this list, old magazines,
books and whatever else you can get your hands on is the first step.
Once you reach a critical mass of knowledge thigs get a lot easier.
=============================================================================
Haven't they made 3 1/2 to 5 1/4 rails for lo, these many years?
I have a box full of WD 103 controller cards somewhere...just not sure
where. I _do_ know where my ISA IDE cards are.
...but where are these supposed to be sent?
manney
----------
> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> To: Manney
> Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 8:51 PM
>
> Yes; but then I'd have to ship the controller cards as well. These only
> have the 5 1/2" (or whatever) drivebays; the ones that fit the XTs; etc.
I
> think that they're half-height.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 1:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
>
>
> >On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, PG Manney wrote:
> >
> >> Sent where?
> >>
> >> Since those are 286's, they could be outfitted with cheapo IDE's such
as
> >> ST-157's and 125's as well...IDE paddle cards are common.
> >>
> >Actually, that is probably the smarter thing to do. Smaller drives,
less
> >shipping weight and less postage. Also newer than MFM/RLL and more
> >readily available, and about equally inexpensive.
> >
> > - don
> >
>
Greetings:
I hope this isn't too far off the goal of this list... I am hoping that
some of my friends from this great list might be able to help me out. I am
desperately looking to buy 1 or 2 IBM compatible 386 machines. The reason
is, I am looking to get a fairly low cost computer system for my brothers
who are currently freshman and sophomore in college. Yes, I know, I tried
the TRS-80, Commodore, and Apple, etc., route with them already, but my
parents are looking to get them some fairly recent computers for a
Christmas gift. I guess what they are looking for is 386/486 machines,
with at least 4-8meg ram, Windows 3.1 (yuk!), 200 meg+ hard drive, and
possible some old dot matrix printers. I of course have printers so that
isn't a priority. But, the parents are willing to pay for them, so... if
any of you have 1 or 2 old 386s setups around, PLEASE get in touch with me
ASAP, with your offering price + shipping, and I know we could work out a
deal. Software also isn't needed, as I have a $%!^ load, but I would like
to get something that is fairly already setup, complete, and ready to go.
Payment could be to in with a couple of days and would like to receive the
units ASAP. Of course, this is all sight-unseen, so I'll trust your
judgements and descriptions.
Thank you very much for your consideration on these wants. I hope you
could wade through my b.s. and figure out what I'm looking for. :-)
Thanks,
CORD
//*=====================================================================++
|| Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE ||
|| (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 ||
|| Classic computer software and hardware collector ||
|| Autograph collector ||
++=====================================================================*//
Atari is now making games for all the game platforms. They still retain
the rights!
----------
From: Don Maslin
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: JTS (was: Classic Computer Rescue Squad)
Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 3:06PM
On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Uncle Roger wrote:
> At 01:19 PM 11/14/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >Well, it won't help you now, but a company called JTS Corporation has
the best
> >HDDs I've seen in a LONG time. I was using a WD Caviar 2.0 GB, and it
was
>
> For a little classic content, JTS is the company that acquired the
remnants
> of Atari Corp. Haven't done anything with it, that I know of, but in the
> future...?
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
>
> Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
> sinasohn(a)ricochet.net that none but madmen know."
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
For a little more 'classic content', the "JT" in JTS is for Jugi Tandon
of oldtime floppy disk drive fame and later hard disk and PC clones.
The
hard disk rights were sold to Western Digital at the time that they
bailed out of the card making business. Small world, ain't it?
- don
donm(a)cts.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
*
Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--
*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj
Perhaps needless to say, old MFM and even < 100 meg IDE drives are
throw-away items at today's computer shops. There's a mom-and-pop
computer store near here that gave me a box of old drives. They
regularly toss old 86/286/386 and even 486/33 machines. I'm in a
town of 6,000, I can't imagine what's being tossed in the big city.
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
Also; while you've been gone; sometimes discussion wanders "off track"; so I
think that because not everyone knows the best newsgroups; etc. the FAQ
could possibly include a list of good ones; to take current
problems/questions to. That should keep the discussion "on track"; making
it more enjoyable for everyone.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Whitson <bcw(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: FAQ
>
>Allright, I'll take a crack at revision for next time.
>I agree that recyclers can be great to deal with - I never
>thought this reflected badly on them.
>
>Recycling is what they do and they do it in the most
>efficient way they can. It's sometimes tragic to see all
>that history shoved in a compactor, but that's why we
>collect these things.
>
>-------------------------------------------------
>Bill Whitson bcw(a)u.washington.edu
> (mail may come from alternate addresses)
> Classic Computers List Operator/Owner
>http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp
>
>
>On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, William Donzelli wrote:
>
>> >In all seriousness - there are a large (and growing) number of so called
>> >"computer and electronics 'recyclers'" who take usable computers and
>> >recycle them into "reusable scrap". Small amounts of gold, silver, and
>> >platinum are extracted and the remainder of the material is generally
>> >just marketed to less wasteful countries.
>>
>> I have always had a problem with this part of the FAQ. These people are
>> our friends, as they often get the real gems. They do not always get the
>> big stuff - one time I saw a bunch of Tempest rated PCs, and NeXT
>> equipment, all on the same pile.
>>
>> The precious metal content of a big mini or mainframe can be quite a lot
>> (check out <www.mrsscrap.com> and you will see what I mean), so the way
>> they recycle is all based on ecomomics. Obviously, the gold is stripped
>> first - it is the cream. The copper is probably next on the list,
obtained
>> by grinding the circuit boards and wires into powder. The rest is not
>> worth it, literally. It is far too labor intensive to completely strip a
>> computer down to basic metals - the money made would all go into paying
>> the grunts! The labor in China is very cheap (actually, the strippers are
>> young men that work like dogs for 2-3 years to make thier dowry money),
>> thus the frames, disks, and power supplies get shipped overseas.
>>
>> William Donzelli
>> william(a)ans.net
>>
>>
>
I'm looking for a replacement PX-8. Mine seems to have finally died, but
since it did what we wanted perfectly, and I still have the peripherals
for it, I'd rather just replace it than pay big bucks for lots of bang
that we don't need.
Please let me know if you have a working one that you no longer need but
don't want to consign to the land fill - I could give it a good home.
I'm currently in Haifa, Israel, but If any Americans have one we could
arrange for the unit to be sent to one of three addresses in a) San Diego,
Calif., b) San Rafeal, Calif. or c) Providence, Rhode Island all in the
U.S.A. from where we get it sent to us by family members.
For European sellers we may just try the airmail system and see
how it goes...
warm regards,
Bryn Deamer
14 Shunamit St.
Haifa 34562
Israel
bryn(a)bwc.org
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ATTN: Classic Computer Rescue Crewmembers in the Dover, Delaware area!
Take note of this missive I found on Usenet. If I were ANYwhere
near the east coast, I'd already have visited the place.
This is a terrific opportunity for those of you who want to get
your hands dirty on DEC hardware to do it. And, if anyone goes down
there and finds an M7552 module (RRD50 controller), please snare it
for me! ;-)
Attachment follows.
-=-=- <snip> -=-=-
OK. The powers that be no longer want to store this stuff, so the
time has come to make it go away.
We have around 5000 square feet of Vax and PDP equipment
that needs to find new homes. It's mostly older Qbus and Unibus
stuff, so don't expect to find state of the art stuff in here.
There is way too much stuff to list, but in a nutshell, there are
vaxen from 11/730 up to 8820, with many microvaxen in ba23's
and ba123's. There are many unibus pdp-11's, and some
pdp-8 stuff.
There is also a DEC-system 2020.
Many peripherals. TONS of books, manuals, and printsets.
Miles of tape, zillions of disk packs, many 8" floppies, etc.
If someone is looking for something in particular, let me
know and I can see if it is there. Your best bet, however,
is to come walk around and see what you can use.
Equipment is free for the taking and is located in Dover,
Delaware. Don't respond if you are only interested in
scrap. We want to get rid of it, but don't want to see
the stuff junked. Hell, we can junk the stuff ourselves
if that is what we wanted to do. We thought there should
be people out there that can use this equipment.
take one piece, or take everything. First come, first
served. You haul. Unfortunately, we do not have time to
package things for shipping, although if the item is small
enough, and you make a good enough case, exceptions
may be possible. :-)
We are interested in moving this stuff quickly, so please
respond if interested. Email address has been purposely
munged to prevent spam. Re-assemble the address
below to respond.
Thanks,
Jim Bender
jbender at
corpamerica dot com
At 10:06 PM 12/9/97 -0800, you wrote:
>On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Sam Ismail wrote:
>Actually, I should say a couple things about LapLink since I have used it
>once. It is easier to use than INTERSVR. The best thing about it is that
I've used LapLink a fair bit (Did you know Traveling Software got their
start doing m100 programs?) and I have to say I love it. I even use it to
move things around on the same computer, or just to find the total size of a
set of subdirectories.
It is not, however, a network solution. (At least not the older version
that I have.) If you want to move files around between machines, buy
laplink. If you want to share disks among various machines (i.e., a
network), get something else. It all depends on what you want to do.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
Hello. After paying a visit to the only local High School; someone made a comment about how their 286's didn't work. From an inspection of the school; it looks like 486's are used in half the labs; 2-4 286's and 1 386 per class room; and the process of Pentiums is being integrated. Some in the most recent wing do have one. But anyway; the 286s; as you might guess... are DYING. These are all PCs; and the problem is in HDDs. Now; I only have one MFM HDD handy; which I'll be installing soon; but there are 2 other malfuctioning PCs that I know of. Remember; this is for a high school; for the Department of Defence dependants; and a few others, but their funding is not... ideal. So if you could please just send a MFM HDD, or; if you have them; two (probably of the 20-40MB vairety; the standard sofware is a DOS menulite; WP51 for DOS; Qbasic; Printshop; etc. so it's not heavy; but for DOS 5.0 (what they have) I'd guess that a 10MB would be pushing it.); and then you'ld have elementary and high school (it's mixed) students smiling.
Thanks in advance;
Tim D. Hotze
=============================================================================
ClassicCmp - The Classic Computers Discussion List
Part 3 in the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy
Technical FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) v1.6.2
Last Update: 12/10/97
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
This FAQ is written with the primary purpose of making readily available
answers to the more common questions appearing on ClassicCmp. It is
Maintained by Bill Whitson <bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu>. The infor-
mation in this document has been gathered from a variety of sources but,
in general, the members of ClassicCmp should be credited for all contain-
ed herein. I have, of course, endeavored to be as accurate as is possible
and often failed ;).
This FAQ is Part 3 of the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy. The information presented
deals with regularly asked questions which are technical in nature.
If you have questions, comments, or corrections (always welcome) please
contact me at the address above.
A current copy of this FAQ is available on the web at http://haliotis.bothellwashington.edu/classiccmp or via anonymous FTP at 140.142.225.188 in the
directory /pub/classiccmp/faqs as cclpart3.faq.
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Updates: Nothing new, cosmetic changes.
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1. General
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1.1 I just picked up a new machine. What should I do?
1.2 What's the best way to clean these dingy tan boxes?
2. Media
--------
2.1 What's a hard sector disk? What's a soft sector disk?
2.2 What's SS/SD, DS/DD, DS/QD, DS/HD, etc.
2.3 Can these formats be interchanged?
2.4 What disk sizes are there?
2.5 How do I take care of old media?
3. Component Failure Issues
---------------------------
3.1 Do EPROM's go bad?
3.2 How about ROM's, other chips?
3.3 How about capacitors?
3.4 Anything else?
3.5 So how do I backup all this stuff like you suggest?
4. Software
-----------
4.1 Where can I get a system disk for platform X?
4.2 What's the best way to back up my software?
5. Specific Problems/Solutions
------------------------------
5.1 Is it possible to bypass an RF modulator to achieve composite output?
=============================================================================
1.1 I just picked up a new machine. What should I do?
Don't power it up yet! All of the following should probably be done
before that power switch gets flipped.
Open the case - clean and visually inspect components. You're
looking for traces of smoke, water, corrosion, loose screws, blown
caps and resistors, cold (broken) solder joints, bent pins, etc. It
may be a good idea to remove and re-seat all socketed components and
connectors. If anything burned or overheated it will probably pay to
replace it before powering up the unit. You can avoid a number of
problems just by taking a peek inside.
If you have the tools (and the machine is sufficiently rare) pull and
dump backups of all EPROMs, ROMs, and PALs. If you have really cool
tools (like a logic analyzer) it has been suggested that you use them
to record critical information from those oh-so-hard-to-find custom
chips. Specific information on how to do this is beyond the scope of
a FAQ, but you probably know what you need to if you own the appropriate
tools.
Disconnect the power supply from the rest of the computer and start it
up on a "dummy load". A six volt headlight bulb has been recommended as
a convenient load. These should be available from any decent Volkswagen
shop. Running the power supply without a load could result in damage to
it. You may want to check the voltage output before you do this as it
could be no where near the 5V average in micros. Even if you don't want
to connect a load it's still probably a good idea to power it up
separately from the computer for the first time. If you have a really
rare beast it may be worth powering up some of the key capacitors out of
circuit just to get them warmed up.
Now you can power it up. Assuming it works, take a blank disk,
format it, write some data to it, and read it back before using your
precious software with it, as a bad disk drive could really ruin your
day.
1.2 What's the best way to clean these dingy tan boxes?
Cases: It seems best to start gently with such old equipment. Try
soaking in a little water and dish soap and then scrubbing. This takes
care of most jobs. For removing stickers try mineral oil or Goo-Gone
(available at most hardware stores - in the US at least). If those
don't work, acetone can be good but, if overused, can do more harm.
For removing marker, almost any solvent is good (alcohol, naptha, etc)
but will definitely discolor or dissolve plastic if not carefully
applied. Lava soap is also good for removing marker but can smooth off
textured plastic. For removing sun or tobacco discoloring a product
called Purple Stuff available from auto parts stores (again, in the US
at least) seems to do the job almost effortlessly.
Recommended commercial products:
Purple Stuff from Kragen [for discoloration]
Brasso [ink/marker] (can discolor plastic)
Antistatic Foam Cleaner from Electrolube [for discoloration/markings]
Citra-Solv [for discoloration] (can dissolve plastic if undiluted)
Cameo Copper Cleaner [ink/marker]
Naptha [for stickers/goop/spooge] (very flammable)
3M GP Adhesive Remover [for stickers/goop/spooge]
CRC 226 / CRC 556 [for stickers/goop/spooge]
Fulcron [for discoloration]
Blue Shower / BS II [for stickers/goop/spooge]
Connectors: For edge connectors a plain pink eraser seems good
for removing corrosion. Apparently other colors of eraser indicate a
different texture - which may be damaging. Make sure to wipe the
connectors with a clean cloth after erasing on them. There are a large
number chemicals on the market that "magically" remove corrosion from
components but as I don't know how safe they are, I'm not anxious to
promote any of them. For pin style connectors a toothbrush and some
softscrub or other mildly abrasive cleaner do wonders.
Recommended commercial products: Electrolube contact cleaning sprays.
Keyboards: I find a cycle through the dishwasher does a really nice
job on keyboards. Just be sure they're completely dry before you
put any power to them. If there is reason not to use a dishwasher
(some key labels can come off) it is usually possible to remove each
keycap and clean conventionally.
[][][][][][][][][][]
2.1 What's a hard sectored disk? What's a soft sectored disk?
We'll start with soft-sector since they're simpler to explain. On a
soft-sector floppy disk the information that marks where a sector
begins and ends is written to the disk by the computer (part of the
formatting process). This means that various computers can use
the same floppy disk types because the format of the disk is control-
led by the operating system.
Hard sector disks use a system of perforations in the media to mark
the beginnings and ends of sectors. This means that computers
which used hard sectored disks required the exact disk type they
specified rather than a generic soft-sector floppy. A number of
differently sectored disks were available - at least 10, 13, and 16
sector formats. 8 inch and 5.25 inch disks commonly used hard
sectoring. 3.5 inch disks never came hard-sectored and, in fact,
it would not be possible.
2.2 What's SS/SD, DS/DD, DS/QD, DS/HD, etc.
These all refer to the number of useable sides on a disk and it's
density (how "efficiently" the magnetic bits are pushed together).
SS/SD is a Single Sided - Single Density disk, the earliest available
type I believe. The storage afforded by a single density disk was
very small compared to today's standards. Single Sided disks were
popular because they were cheaper than DS and could be easily
modified with a hole punch into double sided disks. SD was followed
by Double Density which, amazingly, doubled the amount of storage
space. Double Density was followed by the extremely short-lived
Quad Density which doubled a DD disk. QD was short lived because
High Density was right on it's heels and nearly doubled disk capacity
again. DS/HD was as sophisticated as 5.25" disks became. 3.5"
disks have progressed as far as DS/EHD double-sided / extra-high
density.
2.3 Can these formats be interchanged?
Well, that may depend on what computer you are using, but in general
the following substitutions may be made:
Desired Format Substitute
---------------------------------------------------
Single Density Double Density
Double Density none reliably
Quad Density DD, HD (sometimes work, not advisable!)
High Density none
Other substitutions may be made, but due to physical differences in
how the disks are made they are generally unreliable. It can almost
be guaranteed that data written to a proper density disk of poor quality
will last longer than data written to a good quality disk of the wrong
density. In the case of quad density no substitution should be
considered reliable. DD and HD disks both can be forced to work. One
may work better than the other given the peculiarities of various drives.
2.4 What disk sizes are there? Disk Types?
Physically?
Standard Disks Unique/Proprietary Disks
---------------------------------------------------------
8" (Floppy) 5" (MiniFloppy)
5.25" (MiniFloppy) 3.25" (MicroFloppy)
3.5" (MicroFloppy) 3" (MicroFloppy)
2.5"
2"
In addition to odd sizes - there is at least one type of disk which
was physically different. "Twiggy" disks for the Apple Lisa 1 were
regular 5.25" disks with the exception that they had two read/write
windows. One was oriented "north" of the center hole, the other "south".
2.5 How do I take care of old media?
Step one is Back It Up! After that, make sure it's kept in a clean, dry,
temperature-controlled environment (I keep mine in a broken freezer).
With disks it seems important to keep them standing on end rather than
lying flat - the same goes for cassette tapes. I like to exercise disks
and tapes at least once every six months although I have no real
evidence that this has any positive effect. I have modified an old C64
floppy drive to simply spin when a disk is inserted and send large
stacks of disks through it on a regular basis just to make sure they're
not starting to stick up internally.
An exciting and somewhat recent development is that availability of
classic computer emulators that can make disk images of old media
on PC's and Macs. This seems to be a very good way to backup
disks since they will eventually go bad no matter how well we take
care of them.
The official line seems to be that floppy disks have a shelf-life of
approximately 10 years. With proper care many are lasting a lot longer.
[][][][][][][][][][]
3.1 Do EPROM's go bad?
Definitely. They apparently are considered to reliably contain data for
(on the outside edge) 15 years. This amount can be considerably
reduced if, for example, the sticker over the window has dried out and
fallen off. Luckily EPROMs were not used too extensively but they're
out there. An EPROM writer/reader is a relatively cheap investment
and an easy fix. Even if an EPROM has "forgotten" it's data it is still
fine for being "re-educated".
3.2 How about ROMs and other chips?
Things wear out. It's likely that even components which have not been
fried by catastrophic failure will simply start to die someday. ROMs can
be dumped to a file and re-written if they die. Other custom chips which
are all too common in micros will be far more difficult to replace. The
best advice is to stockpile these chips when you can - but someday even
unused chips will probably start to turn up bad. In this case the best
defense is to stockpile information in the hope of being able to modify
an existing component to meet your needs.
3.3 How about capacitors?
This seems to be another large concern, but rather than being an
unreplaceable component a capacitor will take your unreplaceable
components with it when it goes. It's a good idea to check out all the
caps in a system if you haven't fired it up in a while. Caps go bad
with time (even tantalum caps, apparently - although they are more
reliable) and should be replaced if they are suspect. It's unlikely that
it will be impossible to find a replacement capacitor as they are much
more standard electronic components.
3.4 Anything else?
Documentation: If there's anything which is entirely unreplaceable its
the docs for uncommon equipment. Once they're gone, they're gone.
I regularly pick up docs I find for equipment I don't have just because
I may someday. Paper will, of course. go bad over time but it will be
obvious and they will be easily duplicated.
Hard Disks: ST-251s, ST-502s, MFM, RLL... old hard disks are going
to go bad. Then they'll be gone. Theoretically, I suppose it's possible
to crack a hard drive and replace a dead bearing, realign, relaminate,
etc... but I've never heard of anyone doing these things in their base-
ment. Perhaps in another 5 or 10 years many of us will be experts at this.
3.5 So, how do I back up all this stuff like you suggest?
This answer will undoubtedly get longer as I learn more. The best ways
seem to be to dump the particular ROM (or whatever) using the approp-
riate equipment to a floppy disk (which most of this equipment allows).
Yes; but then I'd have to ship the controller cards as well. These only
have the 5 1/2" (or whatever) drivebays; the ones that fit the XTs; etc. I
think that they're half-height.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: Donation For School Wanted
>On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, PG Manney wrote:
>
>> Sent where?
>>
>> Since those are 286's, they could be outfitted with cheapo IDE's such as
>> ST-157's and 125's as well...IDE paddle cards are common.
>>
>Actually, that is probably the smarter thing to do. Smaller drives, less
>shipping weight and less postage. Also newer than MFM/RLL and more
>readily available, and about equally inexpensive.
>
> - don
>
=============================================================================
DO NOT DISPOSE OF THIS PART OF THE FAQ. THIS IS THE PART THAT EXPLAINS HOW
YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE AND UNSUBSCRIBE. IT WILL TAKE ME MORE TIME TO DO THESE
THINGS FOR YOU THAN IT WILL TAKE FOR YOU TO DO THEM YOURSELF
=============================================================================
ClassicCmp - The Classic Computers Discussion List
Part 1 in the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy
Mail/Internet Basics FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) v1.3
Last Update: 12/10/97
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
This FAQ is written with the primary purpose of making readily available
answers to the more common questions appearing on ClassicCmp. It is
Maintained by Bill Whitson <bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu>. The infor-
mation in this document has been gathered from a variety of sources but,
in general, the members of ClassicCmp should be credited for all contain-
ed herein. I have, of course, endeavored to be as accurate as is possible
and often failed ;).
This FAQ is Part 1 of the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy. The information presented
deals with the use of mailing lists and internet-specific tools.
If you have questions, comments, or corrections (always welcome) please
contact me at the address above.
A current copy of this FAQ is available on the web at http://haliotis.bothellwashington.edu/classiccmp or via anonymous FTP at 140.142.225.188 in the
directory /pub/classiccmp/faqs as cclpart1.faq.
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Updates: Nothing new, cosmetic changes.
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1. Mailing Lists
----------------
1.1 Mailing List Basics
1.2 How to Talk to the Robot
How to set to Digest
How to Subscribe
How to Unsubscribe
2. FTP
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2.1 FTP Basics
3. World Wide Web
-----------------
3.1 WWW Basics
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1.1 Mailing List Basics
A mailing list is a simple device which takes an e-mail and redistributes it
to a group of people. People can add and remove themselves from the
distribution list by Subscribing and Unsubscribing. When you send a message
to the list, it is first examined by the robot for key words that tell it
to process an automatic funtion (like help, subscribe, unsubscribe, etc).
If the message does not contain a keyword it is sent to the distribution
list.
1.2 How to Talk to the Robot
There are a few List Processor commands that you might want to use. To
send a command to the list processor, write a message to
listproc(a)u.washington.edu
(Do NOT send the message to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu). In the body of
the message (not the subject line, that is) write one of the following
commands, then send the message.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL ACK
Tells the robot to send you a copy of messages you
write to the list. This is the default.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL NOACK
Tells the robot NOT to send you a copy of messages
you write to the list. I don't recommend this.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL DIGEST
Tells the robot to send you a digest of messages
rather than each as it is posted. With this option
you will get a weekly bundle of messages and keep
a nice, tidy in-box.
SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address
Subscribes you to the list.
UNSUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address
Removes you from the list.
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2.1 FTP Basics
FTP is a protocol by which files can be transferred over the internet.
You can use FTP to connect to a remote site and retrieve files. The
commands you use with FTP depend on the software you use. In general
you must make sure that you are in BINARY mode before transferring a
program file or compressed files. The process of downloading a file
is usually termed GET and the process of uploading a file is usually
termed PUT.
Your FTP program will require an address to connect to. For the
ClassicCmp site that address is 140.142.225.188.
You then may be asked to log in (unless your program assumes an
anonymous login). When asked for a name, use anonymous. When asked
for a password enter your internet e-mail address.
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3.1 WWW Basics
The only complicated thing with the WWW is knowing what bells
and whistles your web browser supports. You don't really need to
know much other than the address for ClassicCmp. The web site is
all text which means just about any web browser from the oldest
Lynx to the newest Netscape or Microsoft browser should support it.
The ClassicCmp site is http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp.
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Hi all.
I haven't been around much for the past
few months and I know I left some of you
in a lurch in the middle of projects. My
work situation has been largely resolved
and I am about to begin a long vacation, so
here's a good time to ask if you need
anything from me.
If I've missed anything really cool, let
me know ;)
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Bill Whitson bcw(a)u.washington.edu
(mail may come from alternate addresses)
Classic Computers List Operator/Owner
http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp
Sent where?
Since those are 286's, they could be outfitted with cheapo IDE's such as
ST-157's and 125's as well...IDE paddle cards are common.
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> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> To: Manney
> Subject: Donation For School Wanted
> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 12:01 PM
>
> Hello. After paying a visit to the only local High School; someone made
a comment about how their 286's didn't work. From an inspection of the
school; it looks like 486's are used in half the labs; 2-4 286's and 1 386
per class room; and the process of Pentiums is being integrated. Some in
the most recent wing do have one. But anyway; the 286s; as you might
guess... are DYING. These are all PCs; and the problem is in HDDs. Now; I
only have one MFM HDD handy; which I'll be installing soon; but there are 2
other malfuctioning PCs that I know of. Remember; this is for a high
school; for the Department of Defence dependants; and a few others, but
their funding is not... ideal. So if you could please just send a MFM HDD,
or; if you have them; two (probably of the 20-40MB vairety; the standard
sofware is a DOS menulite; WP51 for DOS; Qbasic; Printshop; etc. so it's
not heavy; but for DOS 5.0 (what they have) I'd guess that a 10MB would be
pushing it.); and then you'ld have elementary and high school (it's m
<Printshop; etc. so it's not heavy; but for DOS 5.0 (what they have) I'd =
<guess that a 10MB would be pushing it.); and then you'ld have elementary =
I've an xt with a 20mb running dos6.22 and a bunch of stuff similar in size
including wordperfect works and theres about 10mb free at the moment.
DOS6.22 eats 5.0mb for EVERYTHING and goodly portions can easily be deleted
to get to under 2mb. Dos 5.0 is smaller so 10mb is a serviceable though
possibly cramped disk. 6.22 however also give you drivespace a disk space
compressor like smartdrive so that the space can be better used.
Allison
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> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> To: Manney
> Subject: Re: Breach in subject
> Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 9:15 PM
>
> At 09:48 PM 12/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Try Global. They have _everything_.
>
> Global what? Please don't make me do a search on "Global"!!!! :)
Global computer Supply. I have the number at work (They've got an 800
number...call 1-800-555-1212 to get it). Once you're on their mailing list,
tho', you get 100 catalogs a year.
They have all kinds of oddball stuff (Rainbow disks, last I checked, for
example.)
At 09:48 PM 12/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Try Global. They have _everything_.
Global what? Please don't make me do a search on "Global"!!!! :)
- John Higginbotham
- limbo.netpath.net
<>I'd not heard of Elks, as I no longer stay on the "Bleeding Edge" of Linux
ELKS is Embedded Linux Kernal System. It's a very small memory model of
linux to fit on say an 8086/8 (xt) system.
It's earlier unix cousin for z80 was UZI...
<Or... dare I say it... linux on a TRS-80 Model 100/102/200??? :)
No way, UZI is fairly tight and minimal V7 and want 32k for itself and 32k
for apps and a disk (hard disk) to implement total swapping of the swapable
sections of the app or UZI.
UNIX and varients are a relatively large system OS and doesn't fit well
on most 8bit cpus especially if written in C due to code inefficentcy
>from a lack of a full indexed/indirect addressing modes that C expects.
(common on PDP11 and other minis). The 8086 is a bit better but the
segmentation makes it messy again.
Allison
At 06:13 PM 12/8/97 EST, you wrote:
>I don't have access to network cards (except maybe ARCNet, which I couldn't
>run on my P*****), and I was wondering if there is a way to have a transparent
>null modem-based network. IE, could I connect two computers with a null modem,
>and then change to the other computer's drive by typing x: (or mount
>/dev/hdxxx, or whatever).
I've seen our ISP's linux guru do this before... It can be done, I just
don't know how.
- John Higginbotham
- limbo.netpath.net
Hi there,
Does anyone know what an Epson Equity III+ is? Is it just a PC clone, or
is there something special about this machine?
I saw one in the window of a pawn shop last week. The case design was
pretty cool, but if I had to guess, it looked like it might have been a
Hercules monitor sitting on top of it.
Doug Spence
ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
I don't have access to network cards (except maybe ARCNet, which I couldn't
run on my P*****), and I was wondering if there is a way to have a transparent
null modem-based network. IE, could I connect two computers with a null modem,
and then change to the other computer's drive by typing x: (or mount
/dev/hdxxx, or whatever).
Tony Duell <ard(a)odin.phy.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
> > HP 79xx and 91yx (for y>1) are usually storage of some sort. (9111 is
> > a graphics tablet.)
>
> But the 9114 was a disk drive, wasn't it? (the HP-IL drive for the
> 71/75/etc). And the 9100 was a calculator (HP's first desktop calculator,
> released in 1968, and rather nice).
Yep. Which just goes to show one point I had in the back of my mind
at the time: HP's model numbering scheme comes maddeningly close to
making sense.
-Frank McConnell
> A parting question: I'm not exactly sure if the HP 7450a 2-pen plotter
falls
> within the 10-year limit but... Does anyone know where I can get new pens
> for this unit?
Try Global. They have _everything_.
P Manney
Wizened elder.
Neil McNeight <mcneight(a)umich.edu> wrote:
> CPT 8510 (Terminal with 8" floppy, no other information)
I think I have one of these in storage, with a daisywheel printer.
Haven't tried doing anything with it yet.
Mine was used as a dedicated word processor (which was CPT's main
business IIRC). There was no documentation with it; the company that
bought them probably had it but had a staff member train the users,
and the user I got mine from had it installed in her home.
> HP
> 7914 (looked like a computer... maybe...)
There is probably a microprocessor inside, but it was sold as a disc
drive, maybe with a cartridge tape drive that uses the block-formatted
HCD tapes (like 9144s). I think the disc drive has about 130MB
capacity. Good for old HP 9000s and maybe 3000s; in fact it would
look very nice next to a 9000 series 540.
HP 79xx and 91yx (for y>1) are usually storage of some sort. (9111 is
a graphics tablet.)
> Sun
> 3/50 (1 regular and 1 with a scooped out case top for a matching
> monitor)
That's called a "dimple-top".
-Frank McConnell
What is it? Is it a Compaq Portable-style contraption? What processor? What
OS? What apps?
In a message dated 97-12-09 01:13:38 EST, you write:
<< I have a Grid Compass 1100. It works, sort of, anyone want it
for the price of shipping? (It's a bit on the heavy side)
_______________
Barry Peterson bmpete(a)swbell.net
Husband to Diane, Father to Doug, >>
