- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>landfills. Badly yellowed board and plastic, crumbling at a touch, <>all traces gone, thin parts eaten away, thick layer rust covering <>seized up drives, riddled with rustout holes in cases, blackened <>glass. Hard and darkened as soapstone that once was solder joints. <>Mass of green strings with bits of faded colored platic material Actually there are people that have looked into landfills that are in the 100-200 years old range and they have found things in an amazing state of preservation. Some cases there were newspapers in the middle of the stack that were as fresh as printed in appearance. Yet in another layer old papers were completely composted. I'd suspect that old technology would be found the same way, some just oxidized piles and others completly intact. Allison

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by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Roger Ivie wrote: > > > > >It'll be nice when Caldera follows up on their promise to release the > > >source code for CP/M and DR-DOS (now OpenDOS). _That_ will definitely > > >have some results on-topic for this mailing list. > http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm/ > > My ISP's nameserver can't track that down. And I tried filling it in as > "utah" as well, knowing the approximate geography of Caldera. This is the unofficial CP/M site; it's not run by Caldera, but by someone who was willing to argue with Caldera long enough to get permission to put the stuff up. It's being hosted by a machine at University of Texas at Arlington: UTA. Here's what my machine gives me when i nslookup cdl.uta.edu: Name: dave.uta.edu Address: 129.107.2.554 Aliases: cdl.uta.edu > I'd post > that private, but now that I _know_ that the OpenDOS kernel source is at > the caldera.com site (and is only marginally within our charter), the > CP/M source location becomes crucial to maintaining my self-respect in > this forum. Or something like that. IIRC, the CP/M 2.2 sources are available _somewhere_ on the caldera site, but they're password protected and you have to find the right form to submit to get the password, etc. The unofficial site includes source to CP/M 2.2, 3.0, and 68K... Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 3 months

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by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Out of curiosity has anyone else with web pages dealing with classic computers been contacted by someone that wants to dispose of your collection as scrap? Talk about insulting! Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

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Linux???? is it real

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>>Ummm... RedHat, Caldera, and Debian can all use RPMS. Packages that >> aren't RPMed are usually .tar.gz or .tgz and can be installed by RTFMing. >Thanks, just wondering... :) But when I use the program to manage >all s/w much like the win95's feature, will this kind still work? I don't know about the others, but pre-install Debian has a program that lets you choose filesystem types. There are also options on dselect. (Debian's version of RPM. It's a lot simplier, but still more powerful than NT will be for sometime to come.) Tim D. Hotze

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by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> they go to landfill. You see, at our local landfills there is a company > called Revolve that has scavenging rights, and rescues all this stuff. > I've picked up a Tandy CoCo 3 with box, manuals and some software, a > Commodore 64 with Datasette, music keyboard overlay, manuals, software and > box, a Commodore 128, a Commodore 1541-II and 1571 floppy drive,a BBC Model > B with floppy drive, an Atari 1024STfm with monitor, a Amstrad CPC464 with > monitor and an Apple IIe with disk drive, all for about $5 to $10 each. > All of them except the Atari ST worked fine at first switch-on (the ST > still doesn't work - I suspect a memory fault). I also managed to pick > up four Vectrex cartridges for $2. It's now got to the point that > people often drop their stuff off directly at Revolve rather than > dumping it at the landfill (especially now the local government has > instituted a fee to dump stuff at the landfill). > > Of course, the only problem is that since all the stuff is stored outside > you have to get to it before the rain hits... You lucky beggar! I wish there was something like that around here (central England)! Rain is not as bad as many people think. The water is (fairly) pure, and things often only need drying. When I upgraded my Commodore 8296 to an 8296D, the parts came from a machine in the skip at work - some of them I had to dig out of the snow... Philip.

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by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Sure. I've seen 486/33DX systems with 4MB of RAM and Windows 3.1 go for around $275. So 386's don't sell for that... but still... and you could sell high-end 486's for much more than that. Heck, AMD even made the X5, a 586 compatible processor for 486/DX4 motherboards that works at 133MHz. Those go for around $500. -----Original Message----- From: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca <jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 9:18 AM Subject: Re: I don't believe this **** > That's TERRIBLE. I mean 486 parts can even get SOLD AS-IS for a decent sum > of money. The whole system goes for a couple hundred. So if they're going > to scrap 'em.... but anyway, lots of schools, non-profit orginazations, etc. > would love to have decent 386's, and 486's would be better. Sure, you can't > play Quake on 'em, but a 386 was designed with 10 years of x86 software in > mind. Yepper! I would beat up that one because of several things also real nice to donate those to schools, etc and including me looking for some parts to fix some other items. AS IS at that price? No way! Jason D.

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by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Oops... well, scratch that. but the Romans DID conquer, the Eqyptians DID kill, the Sumerians did a few things, and the Greeks... well, let's just say that they didn't really mind war. OK? -----Original Message----- From: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 7:14 AM Subject: Re: I don't believe this **** > > >> And, as history has proven, it is easy to destroy, as the Romans, >> Egyptians, Sumerians, and Greeks did, but it is so hard to CREATE and >> PRESERVE. That's why we must try to save these things. Eventually, when > >Uhhhhhhh....hmmmmmmm...never mind, it'd be off topic. > >Anthony Clifton - Wirehead >

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UNIX questions?

by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subj: Re: UNIX questions? Barry Peterson wrote: !On Sun, 4 Jan 98 01:17:06 PST, you said: ! !<snip> ! !>A web page discussing flavors and ports !>at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/BSD-info/BSD.html seems to be inaccesible !>at this time.=20 ! !I just checked it; it's there. Thanks for the reminder, I can see it now too. Bruce Lane had a question about netbooting BSD on a DEC 3100 MIPs machine. I thought that I had squirreled away some info on it - but it turns out to be pertinent to VAX not MIPs. If it is of any use to anyone herein was the posting to the linux-vax list from this past Oct 6: !=================== begin include 8< ======================= Sender: linux-vax(a)ise.canberra.edu.au Precedence: bulk From: Brian Chase <brianc(a)carpediem.com> To: pvhp(a)forte.com Subject: VAXstation Netboot HOWTO Update. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Linux Vax Port List I've made some minor content modifications to the VAXstation Netboot HOWTO. More are on the way as hopefully the IRIX, Solaris, and NeXTSTEP sections are completed. I've reworked the HOWTO using the Linux Documentation Project's SGML-tools. So now the HOWTO comes in a slighly different plain text flavor and a super-nifty HTML version. http://www.carpediem.com/~brianc/projects/vaxen/VAXstation-netboot-HOWTO http://www.carpediem.com/~brianc/projects/vaxen/VAXstation-netboot-HOWTO.ht… -brian. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian D. Chase Systems Coordinator brian.chase(a)carpediem.com -- Compression, Inc. - 13765 Alton Pkwy, Suite B - Irvine, CA 92618, USA -- !====================== end include ======================== Peter Prymmer

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by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

>It'll be nice when Caldera follows up on their promise to release the >source code for CP/M and DR-DOS (now OpenDOS). _That_ will definitely >have some results on-topic for this mailing list. http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm/ Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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by scott＠isd.canberra.edu.au

At 21:25 5/01/98 -0600, Anthony Clifton wrote: > >> Anything other than 486+ >> get's melted down for scrap? I'm sorry, but that includes A LOT of systems >> that there are a lot of people that would love to have them. > >You guys know that I agree with your sentiment 100%. That said, I'd >rather see the systems melted down for scrap (assuming it's a reasonably >efficient and environmentally safe process) than to see them go into a >landfill. I can't imagine how many beautiful systems are rusting away >under 3 million tons of garbage someplace. I don't want to see them >scrapped either, mind you, but given the choice.... Actually, here in Canberra (which is the capital of Australia, *not* Sydney or Melbourne (off topic, but one of my pet peeves, sorry)), I'd much prefer they go to landfill. You see, at our local landfills there is a company called Revolve that has scavenging rights, and rescues all this stuff. I've picked up a Tandy CoCo 3 with box, manuals and some software, a Commodore 64 with Datasette, music keyboard overlay, manuals, software and box, a Commodore 128, a Commodore 1541-II and 1571 floppy drive,a BBC Model B with floppy drive, an Atari 1024STfm with monitor, a Amstrad CPC464 with monitor and an Apple IIe with disk drive, all for about $5 to $10 each. All of them except the Atari ST worked fine at first switch-on (the ST still doesn't work - I suspect a memory fault). I also managed to pick up four Vectrex cartridges for $2. It's now got to the point that people often drop their stuff off directly at Revolve rather than dumping it at the landfill (especially now the local government has instituted a fee to dump stuff at the landfill). Of course, the only problem is that since all the stuff is stored outside you have to get to it before the rain hits... Regards, | Scott McLauchlan |"Sometimes the need to mess with their heads| |Information Services Division| outweighs the millstone of humiliation." | | University of Canberra |__________Fox_Mulder_"The_X-Files:_Squeeze"_| | scott(a)isd.canberra.edu.au |http://www.canberra.edu.au/~scott/home.html |

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by Zeus334＠aol.com

On the subject of scrapping systems, I found too late that an IBM Convertible had gone to the trash. I didn't get to use it, and I only now found the original notepad-address book-etc. program on the IBM ftp site. I once had a computer store in the neighborhood that threw away dozens of machines (empty PC cases, mostly) each day. That moved away :( I often am forced to leave machines where they are, just because I can't have dozens of 386's and 286's in my apartment, but it's a shame. If they were lighter, I would give them to people. Now, I have a relative in NJ who says that his company throws away 486s. So much for affirmative action. One last thing. I keep seeing people mention how they get dozens of CoCos for free, find them in shops for $5, etc. Look, I have never even SEEN a CoCo, and I live in Boston, MA, where I thought there were lots of computers. I would love to run an enhanced CoCo. The worst thing is, back when that computer store was still here, I didn't know what to take. Maybe they were throwing away PDP-11s and Alphas and Crays, I will never know.

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by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subj: Re: UNIX questions? Tony Duell wrote: >Ob classic-computer-OS. I agree with some other messages on this list - a >Linux/minix port to the PDP11 would be very nice. The PDP11 is just about >unique in that it's a popular classic computer with _no_ freely >distributable OS (in fact, unless you have the license transferred, you >can't even legally run what it was running before you got it). Now that >CP/M is jsut about free for home use, as is LDOS (for the TRS-80), OS8, >Linux, Minix (for educational use), etc, it appears that the PDP11 is the >machine that's left out of all this. I am not sure if things were different for the DEC OSes for the PDP-11 but for VMS (VAX & AXP) one can legally run the OS and attendant utilities (DECnet & the DCL shell) with transfer of ownership. To be legal you have to purchase new license PAKs and/or new distributions for any of the layered products which includes all the interesting compilers, DBses etc. BTW to Bruce Lane regarding BSDs: A web page discussing flavors and ports at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/BSD-info/BSD.html seems to be inaccesible at this time. For money you could try Ultrix as in: http://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/DECinfo/.2/SPD/26.40.32.txt - and I thought digital was no longer selling ultrix products (?) Peter Prymmer

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old Bernoulli stuff

by KFergason＠aol.com

does anyone need some old Bernoulli 8in 20MB Flexible Disk Cartridges? I got about 45 of them, plus a cleaning kit. The company was gonna toss 'em. Let me know if you are interested. Kelly KFergason(a)aol.com

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Visicalc

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:05 PM 1/3/98 -0800, Lynn & Mike wrote: >> Two thousand yeare since Bethlehem and still we hear the lie, >> that after years of hopes and fears the best part's when we die. > >Yup, that's what I used to think. I felt sorry for all those poor [...] >have an open mind, all we can do is try) -- will become His followers. This is *definitely* not the list for this nonsense. (Still, I'll note that if you believe that stuff, you shouldn't believe in computers, let alone use them. If you want to continue this off-list, feel free to drop me a private note.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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operating systems

by higginbo＠netpath.net

The biggest chunk of my collection are games that I no longer have boxes for, etc. Let alone original disks or license agreements. Heck, I think even most of the companies are out of business by now. Anyone remember Datasoft? Epyx? At 06:39 AM 1/6/98 +0300, you wrote: >OK... I've got a Cyrix 200, so give me your games. ;-) (Implying that you >give me the listences, without them "installed" on any other machine) Or, >if you've got some sharware.... -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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by photze＠batelco.com.bh

OK... I've got a Cyrix 200, so give me your games. ;-) (Implying that you give me the listences, without them "installed" on any other machine) Or, if you've got some sharware.... -----Original Message----- From: John Higginbotham <higginbo(a)netpath.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 9:08 PM Subject: Re: operating systems >At 08:48 AM 1/5/98 -0600, you wrote: > >>Two, that today's computers run old software too quickly - that doesn't >>sound like archaic software to me, if it's running directly on today's >>machines and OSes. > >Try loading up Buck Rogers and the Planet of Zoom! on a Cyrix 200 and see >how well it plays. Same goes for Frogger. :) They run blindingly fast, >making them utterly worthless unless you use one of those slowdown utils, >but most of those only run right on 486s. > > Three, that ancient games don't "hurt" today's >>software market. Doing what? > >Doing what? Being available for "free" (illegally) out there for people to >get to them. The fact that people are still playing them doesn't affect >today's game market at all. It's a whole different ballpark out there these >days. > >>so ... so, you say they should give up on them? A tenth of something is >>still something. > >But repackaging the games and shipping them would up the price to at least >$10.00 a piece, and you would have to come up with a cheap way to make sure >the games ran at original speed on all systems, another few bucks for R&D >right there, so you'll probably end up spending $50.00 for a compilation CD >with maybe 10 games on it, and nothing else. (Can you say "Roberta Williams >Sierra Compilation"?) > >Why not release the games as shareware, with no set ammount defined? People >could pay what the game is worth to them. I think Maxis did that with the >original SimCity. > >>Don't get me wrong and think I'm just flaming you... I agree, I wish > >Oh, not at all. I expected alot more flak from people when I started this >thread, but was suprised at how well the members of the list are taking it. >(so far) > > >- John Higginbotham >- limbo.netpath.net >

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Wives and hobbies (was: UNIX questions?)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

First off, this goes for husbands too, since I'm sure there are women on this list (but I don't pay much attention to irrelevancies like that). At 07:01 PM 1/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >No no no. My wife, who is not at all into computers (still seems to pick >up stuff fast and I don't have to tell her how to do something more than >once usually), LOVES my hobby of collecting computers. [...] >Plus, she knows I won't give her a hard time about collecting Barbies, >books and pets...because she's so understanding about my hobby. Here's a tip: even cheaper than finding an SO with a hobby (I know what Barbies and books can go for!) find a *good*, dedicated teacher. You'll have evenings and weekends all to yourself while he/she does homework, does lesson plans, etc. Of course, there are downsides -- like getting up at 6am to drive her to school to drop off the 12page substitute teacher plans she stayed up all night doing (and to do an hours' worth of work) when she's too sick too go to school. 8^) Of course, if you want understanding *and* free time, find a teacher who collects something. That gets expensive though. (Donald Duck stuff can be even more expensive than Barbies, and there's more of it!) 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Frank Knows his stuff was Re: What is this HP 9000/220?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:52 PM 1/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >some of the configuration tools) that you will be using an HP terminal >that supports block mode, which (approximately) lets the application Different commands from vt100 block mode of course. Most terminal emulators *don't* include HP terminal emulation. (I've got Walker Richer & Quinn's Reflections, so who cares. Though, there was a program back in the late 80's for the Atari ST that featured HP emulation; wish I'd bought a copy then!) >> What is the shell like? > >The MPE command interpreter...well, I can't speak for the MPE/iX CI. >I haven't used it enough. MPE/iX (newer version for the new CPU models) is pretty much the same as good old MPE, but with some of the extensions MPEX thought up tacked on. >Well, you get EDIT/3000, which is a line-oriented editor that is >suitable for use on all manner of terminals, even the printing ones. Actually, EDIT/3000 isn't suitable for much at all. 8^) Much like MS-DOS's EDLIN. >(e.g. Robelle's QEDIT, which lots of 3000 folks swear by). Some of us actually say our daily prayers to the Robelle Gods. Probably my favorite aspect of MPE is file equations. You can define a name and point it to just about anything, adding on a lot of control and options and stuff. For example, you could say: File Fred = Barney07.bed.rock;rec=-80,,f,ascii;disc=10000 which would mean that whenever you referenced fred (or *fred sometimes) the computer would actually use the file Barney07 in the Bed group of the Rock account (the file structure is a little wierd) and it would have an 80-byte, fixed length, ASCII (not binary) record and a limit of 10000 records in the file. You can also point to printers: File laser;dev=141,1,3 which would mean that "laser" would refer to the device on port 141, have an output priority of 1 (very low) and have 3 copies. (Note: I may have my syntax a little fouled up; that's why I use the online help a lot.) You can even reference yourself: File Me=$StdList;rec=-132,,f,ascii;nocctl which means Me is my stdlist (my screen) which has a 132 byte record (fixed-length, ascii) and doesn't use carriage control. Of course, if you're feeling really non-productive, you can do: File Output = $null 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Frank Knows his stuff was Re: What is this HP 9000/220?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:51 PM 1/2/98 PST, you wrote: >I am brimming with curiosity about the MPE OS: What is it like? > Frank is probably better off answering this than I, but... MPE is a great OS. Been around since the mid-70's, I believe. The HP3000 series of computers is (I think) somewhat comparable to the DEC PDP series. Two things you simply shouldn't be without on a 3000: Qedit and MPEX. Qedit is an incredible editor while MPEX extends the capabilities of the OS. Lots of third party support, very popular in the business side of things (accounting depts., etc.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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colorizing is evil

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:45 PM 1/2/98 +0000, you wrote: >> >get all those pretty colors... (Thank goodness *somebody*'s coloring all >> >those boring old black and white movies! 8^) >> >Oh, coloring those b/w shows and movies ruined it because quality and >appearance looked offish to me. The original NTSC b/w is what is >original format designed for TV's in old days and it looked better Just for the record... That was a *joke* about colorizing movies! It should be illegal, punishable by drawing & quarterign. Movies made in b&w (well, good ones, anyway) made use of the b&w; colorizing kills a lot of what the director worked so hard for. Just did't want anyone thinking I actually *liked* colorized movies... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Linux???? is it real

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<1. 386 or 486 box with AMI (American Megatrends) BIOS. I've had some Exactly a AMI 386 is what I have. <2. RAM is relatively unimportant BUT if you do not have more than 4 me <you will need to go through a procedure to turn on your swap space BEFO <running the install or it will crash and die. 8meg of ram <3. Do NOT try doing the Linux running out of an MS-DOS directory on yo <first install. I've NEVER done this nor do I suspect it's that pleasan Not being done. <4. Use IDE hard drives until you know enough about doing installs. Th <you can use SCSI more effectively. I was given today a 420meg IDE drive to replace the EDSI unit I had. <5. If your BIOS can deal with the drive, Linux can too...with CERTAIN <exceptions...on some BIOSs you're given the choice of using Normal, Lar <or LBA for block addressing. Sometimes you have to try different <settings to get a Linux install to go. Linux may complain if it thinks <the drive has more than 1024 cylinders but the complaint can, <essentially, be ignored these days. This is experience speaking. 826/16/63 vanilla even to dos! <6. Be prepared to turn off caches...internal and external in the BIOS. <Sometimes, especially on newer kernels like Slackware 3.0, you can't ge <the boot floppy to go because it'll crash out and give you stack dump <type information. Try turning off first the external cache and then th <internal cache if that doesn't work. Not all caches are created equal I'm not getting stackdumps. I'm getting all mannor of boot errors related to the filesystem mountability or RW/RO status. <7. Create TWO partitions with fdisk...the sequence looks like this... I have one bootable 389mb linux and the other 16mb swap. <8. If it's formatting the partitions and freaks out complaining that i <can't write inodes or superblocks and gives you a long list of these <complaints...and you have a drive over 2 gigs in size try creating 3 <partitions...the first two of equal size totalling most of the drive an <the last being your swap. Or try a different block addressibility type <in the BIOS. Not a problem I get fully through the setup. <9. There are usually different boot disk types...IDE only, IDE/SCSI, <SCSI only. Make sure you use the IDE only. It's the easiest. IDE is all I have other than floppy. <10. If you want to install off cdrom and the install won't recognize t <drive...wait for the boot prompt when you boot up and type install <hdX=cdrom where X is a,b,c or d which correspond to what you're used to <as Drive C:, D:, E: or F: If it's an IDE-ATAPI type CD-ROM, it should CDrom is not installed, if it were it's a phillips cm205 (unsupported) and not IDE-atapi. the CDrom is in another box (486powered) and the floppies were made from there. <Finally, if someone REALLY REALLY wants to load Linux on a system and i <willing to follow my instructions, be patient with me, realize that I <have a family to support and will send me some trinket in return (S-100 <cards, Shugart SA-400 drives, etc all work) AND are willing to call ME <long-distance I can probably help you out. Email is probably easier. Humm sa400? I may have one in the pile fairly unused. The problem is nothing works as advertized for a vanilla install. This box is as vanilla as they come. AMI 386DX/33, 128k cache, 8mb ram, connor 420mb IDE, 3.5" 1.44 floppy, serial mouse on com1: modem at com2:, DECPA(DE100) NI, TRIDENT 512k SVGA. Runs dos/win3.1 real well(just to prove the hardware works). It's taken a year to scrounge up all the parts to create this system. Allison

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

The idea of using linux as a free OS on aging 386 boxen or as a platform for getting a unix running on older classic platforms has merit. There is one little bug... I've never seen a running linux box nor have I been successful in getting one going. After loading 75 floppies becuase the CDrom I have is not supported I'm more than annoyed and have not found a resource to assist beyond suggesting I'd be better off running microspooge. The latter is insulting and demeaning. On the other hand if someone can prove that working slakware v3.0 really exists I can be swayed. Allison

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I don't believe this ****

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

That's TERRIBLE. I mean 486 parts can even get SOLD AS-IS for a decent sum of money. The whole system goes for a couple hundred. So if they're going to scrap 'em.... but anyway, lots of schools, non-profit orginazations, etc. would love to have decent 386's, and 486's would be better. Sure, you can't play Quake on 'em, but a 386 was designed with 10 years of x86 software in mind. And, as history has proven, it is easy to destroy, as the Romans, Egyptians, Sumerians, and Greeks did, but it is so hard to CREATE and PRESERVE. That's why we must try to save these things. Eventually, when your or my XT is one of the last 60-75, we probably won't be alive, but the future genereations will love seeing a working one. Well, there's my $0.02 on this. Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 4:51 AM Subject: Re: I don't believe this **** >>At 07:43 AM 1/5/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>Out of curiosity has anyone else with web pages dealing with classic >>>computers been contacted by someone that wants to dispose of your >>>collection as scrap? Talk about insulting! >>> >>> Zane >> >> No, but sounds like a good candidate for a mail bombing! I suppose he >>wants you to ship it to him at your expense, right? > >I wouldn't doubt it. Here is what she had to say, with my original answer, >I guess I should have added that I was also trying to save them from >individuals like she was talking about. > >Initially I just thought she was fronting for someone that dealt in classic >computers, so her reply REALLY PISSED ME OFF! Anything other than 486+ >get's melted down for scrap? I'm sorry, but that includes A LOT of systems >that there are a lot of people that would love to have them. Besides >considering the fact that some of the systems I've got, like the Atari >TT030 go for several hundred dollars. > >>Hi, Zane. >> >>> >Seems u have a lot of equipment, any surplus that you might give away? I >>> >could get a good price for u, if you are interested. >>> >>> Um, No. It's a hobby, and an attempt to preserve a part of our history >>> that is steadily finding it's way into our landfills. >> >>My local dealer supply old comps or household appliance to iron, alloy >>or plastic mills. They melt them down and supply these to manufacturers. >> >>It's recycling. >> >>486-and-above systems get refurbished... >> >>Regards, >>Crystal. > > >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | >| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html | > >

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Source for drive filters

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Just curoius...where does one purchase new filters for DEC RK05 drives? I have three new ones, so I'm not in any immediate need. But, I'd just like to establish a source. Also, since I don't have the maintenance manual yet, what's the hours in service between filter changes? FYI...I contacted Dialight, the manufacturer of the LED replacement lamps for the RK05 drives. The lamps are still manufactured, but they're a "custom" part. Minimum order of each color is 90 at $2.47 each. If anyone is interested, let me know. The sales rep at Dialight is researching the specs on it since she is not familiar with what makes the part custom. Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Last week-end, I got an original Atari 2600 brown console, in the original box. Haven't tried it yet... Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

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guilty of piracy? (Was operating systems)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 04:51 PM 1/5/98 EST, you wrote: >I'm sorry, but if people say it's ok to pirate old games, even more people >than now will start to say, "Well, this game is not that new", and pirate IT. >Now, I have nothing against software piracy on a simple basis: either I get >the program for free, and the compay loses 50 bucks, or I don't get the >program at all, which means that the company is still 50 bucks short. However, >my 14.4 modem helps me keep my morals straight :) I guess we should just take this on a case by case basis. Most home pirates never get caught. The "software cops" always go after the bigtime distributors, people who make the copies and distribute them to others. I don't think it really matters, because people are gonna do what they want to do no matter what (Like me). >How many people do you suppose would buy the original frogger? Even for $5? >Even if someone put a rack of frogger diskettes for free out in CompUSA or >something, how many would take it? I sure as heck would. I never pass up on anything free. I would also pay $5 for the original Frogger if I had an XT or 286 sitting at home. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Wtd: ESDI 3.5" hd + hd ?'s

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Didnt ESDI come out when the IBM PS/2 announced? In a message dated 98-01-05 21:31:57 EST, you write: << > MFM (early 80's?) Very early 80's, I think, for the ST-506. > RLL (late 80's?) I tend to think of this as a minor variation of MFM, myself :-) > SCSI (late 70's?) The first official-type "SCSI specification" was proposed by an ANSI committee in 1984. It was almost backwards-compatible with SASI (Shugart Associates System|Storage Interface) which had been kicking around since 1978 or 1979. > ESDI (?) Mid-80's > IDE aka "ATA", clostely related to the announcement of the IBM AT... which would put it around 1985 or shortly afterwards? This wasn't really a new standard; the IDE bus interface looks exactly like a WD1002 hooked up to a MFM drive! > any others? The SA4000 and SA1000 interfaces date from the late 70's. And let's not forget the granddaddy of them all, SMD! (CDC, 1975 or so?) And SMD's immediate descendant, the MASSBUS... Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) >>

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operating systems

by Zeus334＠aol.com

> At 08:48 AM 1/5/98 -0600, you wrote: > > >Two, that today's computers run old software too quickly - that doesn't > >sound like archaic software to me, if it's running directly on today's > >machines and OSes. > > Try loading up Buck Rogers and the Planet of Zoom! on a Cyrix 200 and see > how well it plays. Same goes for Frogger. :) They run blindingly fast, > making them utterly worthless unless you use one of those slowdown utils, > but most of those only run right on 486s. There is a PC-based game I got on a shareware CD that came with my Pentium-75 called "Galactic Food Fight". It is blindingly fast as well. It's shareware, so if anyone wants a copy.... > Three, that ancient games don't "hurt" today's > >software market. Doing what? > > Doing what? Being available for "free" (illegally) out there for people to > get to them. The fact that people are still playing them doesn't affect > today's game market at all. It's a whole different ballpark out there these > days. I'm sorry, but if people say it's ok to pirate old games, even more people than now will start to say, "Well, this game is not that new", and pirate IT. Now, I have nothing against software piracy on a simple basis: either I get the program for free, and the compay loses 50 bucks, or I don't get the program at all, which means that the company is still 50 bucks short. However, my 14.4 modem helps me keep my morals straight :) > >so ... so, you say they should give up on them? A tenth of something is > >still something. > > But repackaging the games and shipping them would up the price to at least > $10.00 a piece, and you would have to come up with a cheap way to make sure > the games ran at original speed on all systems, another few bucks for R&D > right there, so you'll probably end up spending $50.00 for a compilation CD > with maybe 10 games on it, and nothing else. (Can you say "Roberta Williams > Sierra Compilation"?) > > Why not release the games as shareware, with no set ammount defined? People > could pay what the game is worth to them. I think Maxis did that with the > original SimCity. How many people do you suppose would buy the original frogger? Even for $5? Even if someone put a rack of frogger diskettes for free out in CompUSA or something, how many would take it? > >Don't get me wrong and think I'm just flaming you... I agree, I wish > > Oh, not at all. I expected alot more flak from people when I started this > thread, but was suprised at how well the members of the list are taking it. > (so far) > > > - John Higginbotham >- limbo.netpath.net >

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I don't believe this ****

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

BTW, where is that Linux emulator page? -----Original Message----- From: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 7:39 PM Subject: Re: I don't believe this **** > > >> Out of curiosity has anyone else with web pages dealing with classic >> computers been contacted by someone that wants to dispose of your >> collection as scrap? Talk about insulting! > >I've never had anyone contact me. If they did, I'd ask them if I could >buy some of their old computers by the pound. =-) > >Anthony Clifton - Wirehead >

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More free paper

by william＠ans.net

This time it is an "HM-6100 Pocket Reference Card" from Harris Semiconductor. It is a simple one sheet affair (folded improperly, unfortunately), describing Harris's implementation of the one chip PDP-8. As with other offers, interested parties should give me a reason why they need the thing, and I will shoot it out (postage is basically nothing) to the winner. No "first come first serve" here. Also as with other offers, I can be bribed with some equally small bit of computer paper from the mini and mainframe world. William Donzelli william(a)ans.net

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Classic items up for bid.

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

Just wanted to let you all know I have a few odd and ends up on e-bay right. An old TRS-80 stringy floppy drive, some TRS-80 manuals, etc. Just check for the seller coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu for the complete listing of what's up there now. The stringy floppy drive comes with 11 floppy 'wafers' and the auction on that will end tonight! Just wanted to let you all know -- for whateevr it's worth?? :-) CORD ############################################################################## # Cord G. Coslor -- P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE # # (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 # # Classic computer software and hardware collector # # Autograph collector # ############################################################################## #The##/ ___ /#/ ___ /##/ ___ /#/ /##/ /#/_ __/#/ /#/ /#/ _____## #####/ /##/ /#/ /##/ /##/ /##/__/#/ /##/ /###/ /###/ /#/ /#/ /####### ####/ ___ /#/ _ __/##/ /#######/ ___ /###/ /###/ /#/ /#/ _____/### ###/ /##/ /#/ /#\ \###/ /##/ /#/ /##/ /###/ /###/ /#/ /#/ /######### ##/__/##/__/#/_/###\_\#/________/#/__/##/__/#/______/#/_______/#/________/#### ##############################################################################

28 years, 3 months

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operating systems

by jfoust＠threedee.com

John Higginbotham <higginbo(a)netpath.net> wrote: >At 11:20 AM 1/4/98 -0600, John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> wrote: >>of people out there who like to play old computer games, but you think >>the software owners shouldn't be free to sell to that market because >>there's no gain in productivity or increase in "harm"? What about >>learning or enjoyment? > >If you can find any message where I said that, I'd be happy to argue >against it, but I don't think I would type that in so many words. Software >companies SHOULD be able to sell these old games, but they can never expect >to get the original price out of them. It was the text in surrounding by <rant> in your January 4 message: ><rant> >Which brings up an interesting point: Why do the self appointed software >cops go after software archives of "abandonware" that most of today's >computers usually run too fast anyway? Do these ancient games really hurt >todays software market? Anything 10 years old or older should be >freeware/public domain as far as games are concerned. They don't increase >productivity, and the collectors of these old games aren't doing any harm >are they? ></rant> I'll restate what you said, as I saw it. One, there are self-appointed software cops - you mean people who defend copyright, even of old software? Two, that today's computers run old software too quickly - that doesn't sound like archaic software to me, if it's running directly on today's machines and OSes. Three, that ancient games don't "hurt" today's software market. Doing what? Four, you say the ten-year-rule "should" apply to games, making them (who sez?) be PD/freeware. Five, that games don't increase productivity and that "collecting" them (pirating them?) doesn't cause harm. And in your reply, you say that even if the developers sell their old games, they shouldn't expect to get the old retail price, so ... so, you say they should give up on them? A tenth of something is still something. My point is that people want to play games as much as use anything else when it comes to old software. They want to recreate their experience of years ago. Emulation and re-creation can be very handy! I'm surprised there aren't non-MS products that streamline the gotcha's out of running DOS, Windows 1.0, 2.0, 3.x software under Win95/NT. Or maybe there is and I haven't heard of it. I'd love to get a copy of Brief that wouldn't hog so much CPU in DOS emulation under WinNT. I'm still running my 1986 copy. Is that archaic? Don't get me wrong and think I'm just flaming you... I agree, I wish there was a better mechanism that authors of extinct software could use to allow new life for their old software. Sort of a national park or conservatory for old software would be nifty. If it resulted in payments back to the registered authors, I bet it could work. You'd need to find volunteers altruistic enough to donate their efforts in order to be able to send other people checks. The checks might be small or non-existent - perhaps the authors understand that the price charged would just fund the charity set up to distribute the software. It would be a strange sort of charity, sort of like the Old Actor's Home, except the charity cases might be Time-Warner or the programmer who was a millionaire at 15 with his Commodore 64 games, who's now pushing 30 and running his own 200+ person company. In terms of effort, the hard part will be tracking down the proper owners of all that old software. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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HP 85 printer belt PN

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Joe wrote: > I don't remember who asked for the part number for the HP 85 printer drive > belt but I finally dug out my service manual and found the numbers. There > are two belts in the printer. One drives the carriage and is PN 1500-0529. > The other drives the paper advance and is PN 1500-0572. If one is bad you > should go ahead and replace both. During the week you can call HP's > automated ordering line at 1-800-227-8164 and order them if they're still > available. Let me know if these are still available and what they cost. If > you can't get them, let me know and I'll open up one of my 85s and measure > the belts and to to match them up with something from Small Parts Inc or > one of the other companies. Thanks, Joe. Someone posted HP part numbers a while back, and my colleague is going to try the HP order line in this country first. Meanwhile, I have extracted the belts from my own HP-85 and measured them - FWIW they are 175T80 and 78T80 (according to the markings on the belts) - 0.080 inch tooth spacing, 78 teeth for the paper feed and 175 teeth for the print head. My colleague says that if he manages to buy some new ones, he will get me a spare set as well... Philip.

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CBM 8032 and other things

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> Once you find software on-line - One of the real bummers is that the > 8032 does not have an RS-232 port for easy communication (read: file > transfer via null-modem) nor is the 8050 drive compatible with any other > Commodore disk drive (like the 4040/2031 is compatible with the 1541 thus > making it easy to get software to a 4040 by doing a null-modem to a 64 > and writing with a 1541). I thought the 8050 was compatible with the 1571. Am I mistaken? I know it's not compatible with the 8252 (or whatever it's called - the double sided 8050 that's also built into the 8296D) which is silly and v. annoying. > Though I am not saying it is impossible; the PET does have a parallel > user port which is VERY easy to program. With a bit of coding knowledge > a few parts and soldering you could whip up a PET-to-Whatever connector > and the appropriate software for transferring files. Absolutely. I have a couple of amusing tales about this. In 1983-84, a friend, M J Richards, and I (aged 15 and 16 respectively at the time) developed an adventure game for the BBC micro. But we started by typing in all the text on an 8032, followed by compression and encryption. We then wanted to squirt this module across to the Beeb. Alas, MJR's Beeb only had OS version 0.10, which didn't support input on the serial port. Also alas, the 8032SK uses IEEE-488 (GPIB) style connectors for the user port and we didn't have any. In the end, we used the cassette motor output on the PET and the analogue input on the BBC. Data rate was 30 baud as I recall! Later we wanted to produce a full program listing from a disassembler program on the BBC. By then, 8032 had returned to Dad's office, and the only printer we had left was a Teletype ASR33. Alas again! The BBC serial port didn't support 110 baud. PET to the rescue again - I had an old ROM 8K machine. A few wires and a transistor later, I had an interface - PET received data at 4800 baud on one pin of the user port and transmitted it (via the transistor) to the Teletype on another pin. Finally, we wanted to port the software to other machines. Acorn Electron port was easy - it actually runs on the BBC micro if you try hard enough - but Commodore 64 port was more difficult. I cannot remember if I had upgraded my PET to 32K by then - I think probably not - but we somehow got it across the same 4800 baud link and onto tape, whence it was loaded onto a 64. On my list of things to do now is finish the PET port of the game... I'd be interested to hear from anyone who actually played the game - it was licensed to a software house called Alligata who sold it as "Xanadu Cottage" - about 400 copies were sold, I think (BBC model B only). Also, if anyone wants a copy for their BBC B / Electron / C= 64, please get in touch. There are still slight bugs in the tape routines for saved positions, afaik, but otherwise it runs well. Finally, who would like to see / play / beta-test a PET version? And what model(s) of PET do you have? Terms for software distribution will be shareware - if you want to pay for the game, a suitable donation to a charity caring for Hodgkins' Disease (of which MJR later died) is requested. Philip.

28 years, 3 months

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Linux???? is it real

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 12:08 AM 1/5/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Send me a private email if you want to do this. I've left this public >because I thought it might be of use to others. > >Anthony Clifton - Wirehead > No! Leave it public. I'm curious about Linux and I'm following this. It's better than the day time soap operas! Joe >

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Linux???? is it real

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, if anyone wants it I can ship my FreeBSD 2.2.5 CD which I got a part of a misorder. Because I got it for free, I'll charge whatever shipping costs. Actually, I just am finishing installing my first Linux (Unix too!) system on my 200MHz "Demon" (for Linux), but I need to contact the tech support guies because they orginazied the CD so @%^# poorly. It's Debian, and the install was slicker than ANY other OS that I've installed, from billg's DOS 2.0 to Windows 95. Also, I feel like I've got the POWER pre-installed, not something that you need to spend about 5 or 6 months looking for. Plus my Debian package came with browsers, server software (Apache included, along with the Cern servers, NCSA servers, etc.), and almost any X-Window look you can imagine, from the NeXT style to Mac to Win 95. Well, if I ever get to an area of the planet with unlimited access time measured in items smaller than tens of thousands of bucks for a modem, I think that I'll see what I can do. Well, contact me if you want FreeBSD (anyone), Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Linux???? is it real >>PS: Sheesh the FreeBSD people are always jumping around saying, "Can't >>get Linux to work? Try FreeBSD!" >> >>Linux only has a few stable kernels and Slackware uses them. > >Heh, you know my answer for the BSD people, which BSD? Let's see; FreeBSD, >OpenBSD, NetBSD, 386BSD, BSD/OS, BSD Lite, I don't know what else is there. >Personally I've got a Hard Drive with OPENSTEP, that's the only BSD system >I'm currently running. At least Linux development is pretty much >controlled chaos, BSD on the other had seems to be to simply be chaos. >Yes, I know that there are quite a few different Linux distributions, but >they all run the same kernal and to a great extent the same software. > >Linux has two types of kernals, production and development. If you want >stable use production, if you want "Bleeding Edge" use development. My >Linux fileserver has been running for over 15 months with the same software >install, without a crash. > >Seriously the question you need to ask yourself when deciding which to use >is if you want a UNIX System V based system, or a BSD 4.3/4.4 based system. >If you want SysV go with Linux, if you want BSD then chose your poison, >personally I'd recommend FreeBSD for the Intel architecture, OpenBSD for >anything else. > >Realistically the two are basically the same, on the topic of documentation >is about the only real difference. You can find a ton of books specific to >Linux, as far as I know the only BSD 4.4 specific books are the Berkley >docs that Linux printed. > >I find OpenBSD of intrest because it's purpose is to be multiplatform, >however, I think the total USENET traffic for it is less than >comp.os.linux.announce > >I've got to agree with the comment that Linux is great for running >emulators. I'm still looking for a PDP-11 of my own, but in the mean time >I can play with the PDP-11 emulator under Linux and run stuff like RT-11 or >Version 5 UNIX. > > Zane > > >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | >| For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | >| see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html | > >

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WTB or Trade: GRiD 1535EXP External 3.5" disk drive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

The subject says it all. If anyone has this or any GRiD portable equipment, let me know. - John Higginbotham - limbo.netpath.net

28 years, 3 months

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WTT: MITS Altair 8800 for DEC PDP-8

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Let's start the new year off with an interesting one, eh? Since it seems that there are as many people out there looking for Altairs as are looking for PDP-8's, and the original PDP-8 ('straight' 8) is the one major model of the line that seems to keep eluding me, I'm offering the following: --- One electronically restored and functional MITS Altair 8800 (the original, not the later 'a' or 'b' series), 16k of static memory, MITS serial card, complete documentation set, and a set of MITS (Microsoft) Altair BASIC paper tapes (4k, 8k, 12k version) and other paper tape based utilities. (NOTE: memory is non-MITS, docs may be mix of original and reprints) In trade for: One Digital Equipment Corporpation PDP-8 (original, not later 'i', 'e', etc... series), with 4k or more of core, and serial (teletype) control. Any additional options welcome. Desktop configuration desired, but rackmount configuration perfectly acceptable. Documentation and engineering prints desired as is any original software (diags, languages, etc.), but lack of same does not disqualify. Functional unit desired, but non-functional units will be considered as long as they are complete (all cards, modules, etc.) and have no unusual physical damage. Shipping/delivery arrangements for both units to be discussed separately. Location of unit may be a consideration. (my location: Beaverton Oregon) Any takers? -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

28 years, 3 months

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FS: Coleco Adam, Franklin Ace, Lanier somethingorother

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Saw these things in a second-hand store in Las Vegas the other day: Coleco Adam Franklin Ace 1200 Lanier <somethingorother> (it had two 5.25" floppy drives, two LEDs, and two rocker switches on its front panel) CoCo 2 Although I was awfully tempted, I ended up deciding they wouldn't fit in my luggage, so they are probably still there, at the "Faith Lutheran" thrift store, at 707 N. Rancho. Let the race begin! Bill.

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UNIX questions?

by manney＠nwohio.com

Which I use depends on the job I want to > do, how I want to do it, etc. Nobody restricts you to only having one > computer. Wives?

28 years, 3 months

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UNIX questions? Wives?

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 10:56 PM 1/4/98, you wrote: >>Wives? > > OK to have more than one of those too, just not at the same time! Unless you live in Utah... -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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UNIX questions?

by manney＠nwohio.com

> Let me recount what has been discussed over the past 36 hours: > Linux vs Windows (My fault, sorry!) > Why dogs lick their balls > Atheism > What makes a good marriage > Copyrights You forgot pot roasts > > Now, I will try to get us back on track. Is there a GeoWrite-like program for > something besides C-64, which is where I saw it, with fonts and stuff > displaying on screen as I type? PC-XT would be nice Yes. I have Geoworks with no manual, but a third party "how to" book. E-mail me privately. manney(a)nwohio.com

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Laser 128

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

I'm looking for some information on a Laser 128. I've had one for several months now, and have known that it was an Apple clone. Unfortunatly it has a mouse, but no Power Supply. However, a couple days ago I got a second one, this time with no mouse, but it has the Power Supply and an external floppy drive and monitor cable. So I just plugged it into one of my little Apple IIc monitors since one was handy, and I'm happy to say it works. Even boots DOS 3.3 (will it run ProDOS?). One slight problem, the keyboard makes no sense, when I hit a key, something else comes up. Is this because I don't have their version of the OS, or is there a problem with the computer, or what? Any ideas? While I'm at it, will the little IIc green monitors display anything other than 40 columns? Looking at the manuals it looks like I should be able to get my IIc to display 80 columns on it, but I've not been able to. IIRC I have been able to get my Franklin Ace 1200 to run CP/M on one in 80 columns. I'm aware of the 40/80 column button on the IIc, but I've tried two different IIc's with no luck. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

28 years, 3 months

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UNIX questions?

by Zeus334＠aol.com

Let me recount what has been discussed over the past 36 hours: Linux vs Windows (My fault, sorry!) Why dogs lick their balls Atheism What makes a good marriage Copyrights Now, I will try to get us back on track. Is there a GeoWrite-like program for something besides C-64, which is where I saw it, with fonts and stuff displaying on screen as I type? PC-XT would be nice

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operating systems

by manney＠nwohio.com

> >Well, frogger is a good example of why not. I see they're bringing it out > >again. > > Okay, so you own a new computer, maybe a P200 mmx and you have this old copy > of frogger, from your XT days... If this old copy gets out on the internet > or elsewhere, is it going to affect sales of the new Frogger version? Well, I meant...Frogger is an axample of why "they" don't just throw game concepts out the window. Frogger seems to have been resurrected. You're right -- the new one is different, and most young users would prefer the new version (I LIKED the old one, though! Anyone have Frogger for the PC for sale?)

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Searching for Apollo Parts

by red＠bears.org

Hullo; I'm trying to finish restoring my Apollo DN5500, but I can't seem to track down the parts I need. Maybe somebody here can help... I need the following for sure: Apollo P/N 012600-01 -- 760 MB ESDI disk (Maxtor XT-8760E) 011778 -- 60 MB SCSI QIC drive (Archive 2060S) SR10.3.5 or 10.4 tapeset (not the 10.4.1 RAI like I've got already). These would also be useful but are not needed: Apollo P/N 12173 -- 8 plane 1280x1024 video board 7550 -- 3 button DOMAIN mouse If you could help me out, I'd appreciate it greatly. This Apollo has been sitting around half-working for too long. Oh, and on an unrelated tangent, I could also use a Mac SE/30 motherboard, which has similarly eluded me. (: Thanks. ok -r -- r e d @ b e a r s . o r g ============================= [ urs longa | vita brevis ]

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<If you download the latest elks kernel source - 0.0.67 at the moment bu <0.0.68 is due out anytime, along with elkscmd.tar.gz you will have an <almost complete Linux subset for the 8086 with which you can then work. <The acronym ELKS is 'Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset' but the project is That's interesting but linux on a 386 is still frustrating me to the max! Allison

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by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 11:20 AM 1/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >of people out there who like to play old computer games, but you think >the software owners shouldn't be free to sell to that market because >there's no gain in productivity or increase in "harm"? What about >learning or enjoyment? If you can find any message where I said that, I'd be happy to argue against it, but I don't think I would type that in so many words. Software companies SHOULD be able to sell these old games, but they can never expect to get the original price out of them. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Radio Shack TRS-80 DMP 100 Printer info n

by manney＠nwohio.com

> One of the problems with using a RS printer on a PC is that the RS units > all (most?) add a linefeed in the printer firmware. If you do not know > the escape sequence to disable it everything comes out doublespaced. And > not all of their escape sequences were the same. > - don I've never had a problem with that...they usually print the info on the back. My problem is the the early DMP dot matrix series (before 134, I think) will not respond to many PC parallel ports. I've heard that Radio Schlock has a cable to fix that, but they said no. Anyway, these early DMP's respond to most modern motherboards. Don't know why. manney

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by manney＠nwohio.com

> >Well, frogger is a good example of why not. I see they're bringing it out > >again. > > I played a demo of the new Frogger on my Playstation, it's NOTHING like the > original! Give me the original any day, it was all on the screen at one > time! > > Zane I don't mean that the new one is better, just that it doesn't seem to have died. I loved the original one, too (on an Atari 400, as I recall.) manney

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<V7 and BSD ran fine on the PDP-11. All it will take to port ELKS will <be somebody with access to PDP-11 hardware, a working Linux system, an <too much time on their hands. To quote a movie from twenty years back I have the 11/23 or 11/73 to pick from (with 30meg of disk). I have a pdp11 C compiler (decus C) running under RT-11. I can copy elks sources to the 11 ELKS is only an embedded kernel. Oops. UZI unix is for z80 and could be ported too (it's in C save for LL-drivers). Allison

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by jfoust＠threedee.com

John Higginbotham <higginbo(a)netpath.net> wrote: >Which brings up an interesting point: Why do the self appointed software >cops go after software archives of "abandonware" that most of today's >computers usually run too fast anyway? Do these ancient games really hurt >todays software market? Anything 10 years old or older should be >freeware/public domain as far as games are concerned. They don't increase >productivity, and the collectors of these old games aren't doing any harm >are they? So let me get this straight: on one hand, you're saying there's a bunch of people out there who like to play old computer games, but you think the software owners shouldn't be free to sell to that market because there's no gain in productivity or increase in "harm"? What about learning or enjoyment? I think this list proves there is some small level of demand for old stuff... and certainly game makers like Microsoft and Atari have done well by selling relatively inexpensive pre-made collections of either the exact old games or updated emulations. I'm stunned by the amount of software that has been collected and redistributed (largely illegally) for the very good software-based emulators for old computers. Many of these emulators have become commercial products, again proving there's a bit of profit left in old software. On the other hand, I agree with some of your sentiment - it would be nice if there was a more formalized, established and accepted method that antique computer collectors could secure the rights to redistribute software that the owners have in fact abandoned. For example, I've tried to track down the rights to the Terak computer, as described on my web page. Terak was sold to CalComp, then a Sanders company, which was later assimilated by Lockheed-Martin. Try to wind your way through that bureaucracy to find the long-time employee who *might* be able to track down those assets - if you could convince them of the good intent of your interest, and that they should take time out of their day to help you. Similarly, I tried to clarify the rights to UCSD Pascal's p-code system. The UCSD licensing agency has stated that the license is non-exclusive, but in reality they have only one licensee, Cabot Systems in the UK, who are actively trying to sell the P-System as an alternative to Java for set-top boxes and embedded applications. Ken Bowles, author of a well-known early book on Pascal and one of the original designers of the P-System, believes that at least the early versions should be public domain because they were developed by the university with government funds, or something like that. You can see the problem: as soon as you *ask* about the obscure software and claim there's hundreds of people interested in using it, someone sees dollar signs and doesn't want to simply give it away. Non-profit collectors feel they're a "good cause" and that they'd take really good care of the stuff, but there are collectors and publishers out there who do seek to make a profit. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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UNIX questions?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Yeah, BTW, how old are the RS/6K's? -----Original Message----- From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 8:13 AM Subject: Re: UNIX questions? >Olminkhof wrote: >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> >> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers >> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >> Date: Sunday, 4 January 1998 11:46 >> Subject: Re: UNIX questions? >> >> >It'll be nice when Caldera follows up on their promise to release the >> >source code for CP/M and DR-DOS (now OpenDOS). _That_ will definitely >> >have some results on-topic for this mailing list. >>Ward Griffiths >> >> They already HAVE released the source code for OpenDOS. While it is far >> beyond me to do anything with it, I found it very well commented and >> interesting. I was amazed at the number of "fixes" for specific hardware. > >You're right -- they _have_. It wasn't there a couple of weeks ago >when I was printing out all of the manuals (which are the best that >I've ever seen outside of the Linux Documentation Project -- they make >the manuals that used to come with MS-DOS look like crap). Well, that >takes care of my lunch hour Monday while I dump it from the T-1 to a >Zip disk. Have to remember to grab a sandwich at Blimpy's at Newark >Penn Station in the morning. > >Yes, I know a Zip disk has a lot more space than will be needed -- but >for some reason I've taken to isolating my archives to avoid confusion. >All of my material from Tim Mann's TRS-80 site is on one, all of my >AT&T Unix PC material is on another, and so on for the Color Computer, >the ST, the Mod 100 etc. Eventually, I'll wind up burning a couple of >CDs -- since somebody was kind enough to find an excuse for one at work. >Pity that it's attached to an NT box, since I'd prefer to use proper >Unix filenames -- but maybe I can sucker^H^H^H^H^H^Htalk my boss into >letting me hook it up to one of my RS/6000s for a couple of hours. >-- >Ward Griffiths >Dylan: How many years must some people exist, > before they're allowed to be free? >WDG3rd: If they "must" exist until they're "allowed", > they'll never be free.

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UNIX questions?

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, 4 January 1998 11:46 Subject: Re: UNIX questions? >It'll be nice when Caldera follows up on their promise to release the >source code for CP/M and DR-DOS (now OpenDOS). _That_ will definitely >have some results on-topic for this mailing list. >-- >Ward Griffiths They already HAVE released the source code for OpenDOS. While it is far beyond me to do anything with it, I found it very well commented and interesting. I was amazed at the number of "fixes" for specific hardware.

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CBM 8032

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

>From: "Cliff Gregory" <cgregory(a)lrbcg.com> >Subject: CBM 8032 >Anyone have a source for manuals/software for a CBM 8032 /8050 floppy >drive? >Cliff Gregory >cgregory(a)lrbcg.com First try might be the PET archives at: http://www.funet.fi/pub/cbm/ After that I can offer you this: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/petfaq.html http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/diskbasics.html http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/loadingbasics.html Lastly check out the Commodore information on Jim Brain's Commodore site (Caboom), which includes a PET www message SIG: http://www.jbrain.com/caboom/ ================================ Once you find software on-line - One of the real bummers is that the 8032 does not have an RS-232 port for easy communication (read: file transfer via null-modem) nor is the 8050 drive compatible with any other Commodore disk drive (like the 4040/2031 is compatible with the 1541 thus making it easy to get software to a 4040 by doing a null-modem to a 64 and writing with a 1541). Though I am not saying it is impossible; the PET does have a parallel user port which is VERY easy to program. With a bit of coding knowledge a few parts and soldering you could whip up a PET-to-Whatever connector and the appropriate software for transferring files. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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UNIX questions?

by manney＠nwohio.com

I note that you *N*X users mention recompiling the kernel. Is that something peculiar to the UNIX/LINUX world? Is it done by the average user? I presume (from "context clues", as my fourth grade son's homework puts it) that it provides a smaller/faster/more crashproof installation. I've always run CP/M and Bill's M$-DO$ and have no experience with UNIX. Should I -- I fix boxen and run online and graphics apps; I don't program much anymore -- play with UNIX? What would I get out of it? manney

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by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 06:01 PM 1/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >Should I -- I fix boxen and run online and graphics apps; I don't program >much anymore -- play with UNIX? What would I get out of it? Headaches one day, major breakthroughs the next, a trip to the crazy house a few weeks later... I'm a user, and I can honestly say I can quit any time I want! - John Higginbotham - limbo.netpath.net

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Great doc find

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Awhile back there was talk here about getting the documentation for the classic machines as while as the machines themself. I picked up a IBM Guide to Operations manual 6025113 Dated 1981,1982 and listed as the First Edition. In the back was a clear plastic bag with a casette tape for Diagnostic's number 6081562 version 1.02 new and unopened. The book cost me 50 cents at the Goodwill. Also got a AMIGA monitor I believe a 1080 for $15 at Goodwill. I also won the bid on a very large bo full of computers, parts, TV's, microwaves, and other items for 35.00 will list later after I sort it all out. Keep computing !!! John

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Visicalc

by weese＠mind.net

> Two thousand yeare since Bethlehem and still we hear the lie, > that after years of hopes and fears the best part's when we die. Yup, that's what I used to think. I felt sorry for all those poor misguided fools, Christians. (Didn't occur to me that some of them were very bright, and very skeptical, and had spent years studying to seek truth, & only then became Christians.) And then one day, I was forced to examine my 'beliefs', & was a little surprised to see that they were assumptions only. Bummer. So I had to check it out for myself. Sure is a ton of info out there, some good, some not, but anyway I was finally able to go 1%, & God went the other 99. So I now believe that anyone who diligently tries to disprove the teachings of Jesus, or seeks truth or whatever terminology you can live with -- with any kind of open mind at all (none of us can truly have an open mind, all we can do is try) -- will become His followers. Go and do likewise. Don't be chicken....... Regards, ---mikey

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Kaypro 10 manual needed

by Jjcn.Garrett＠btinternet.com

I am the owner of a Kaypro 10 computer kindly left to me by a deceased friend, unfortunately I have no manual which restricts my use of the computer. can you help me please? Dave

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operating systems

by Zeus334＠aol.com

Actually, the ELKS webpage mentions that it should be technically possible and not-too-difficult to port ELKS to PDP-11 In a message dated 98-01-03 01:08:46 EST, you write: << > >This argument is going to piss off Bill Whitson when he next checks in. > >Linux is _not_ within the scopy of this mailing list. And I recall an > > Well, Linux does run on 10+ year old systems, so on that basis this might > be an OK subject. For example, my Amiga 2000's are over ten years old I > believe, and with the proper accelerator they can run Linux. In fact with > it's merits (yes, I know I'm one of those argueing). > > >item in the FAQ that this _not_ the right place for dicksize wars > >between proponents of different systems -- the "advocacy" newsgroups > >supply corrals for that gunfight. > > This on the otherhand is definitly not a correct topic for the mailing > list, and yes, I think this fact is mentioned in the FAQ. Well, I'm not sure that Wind-blows is really an appropriate topic either but I see people talking about it all the time. I doubt it will 'piss' Bill off since we're talking about how Linux can be used to 'resurrect' ancient and obsolete hardware like 386sx's and so on. Although it's not Altairs, I think it is in the spirit of what we're all about. Heck, every day I wonder why there isn't a Linux PDP-11 port. =-) Wirehead - Anthony Clifton >>

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Frank Knows his stuff Now HP Integral PC

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > Yeap, it plugs into the socket under the panel on the back. I have one > Tech BASIC ROM, also have TWO! System Engineering ROMs (Unix in a ROM) and > even have a Service ROM. I also have Tech BASIC on disk. Now you just need > to find an Integral! Very cool! Where did you find those ROMs? I have an Integral, but it's ROM just has the HP-UX kernel and PAM -- just enough to boot and run things. So I have /usr/bin (Unix utilities, C compiler, &c) on a 9134 for when I actually want to do something with it. Back when they were new I looked at buying one, and that seemed to be how you were expected to do things: if you actually wanted to wrangle code in C you needed the hard disk. Kind of made me wonder why they made it portable. Also I could never get a straight answer on whether the HP terminal windows were capable of block-mode (like I needed to talk to the 3000). > BTW I found a HP 7912 at a surplus store. It's about 18" wide and 2 foot > deep and three foot tall. I *think* it's a 600+ Meg hard drive with a > built-in tape drive. Do you know for sure? I need a couple of external > hard drives if you know where I can find one. I'd rather have something > like a 9133, 7959 etc instead of a monster like the 7912! 7912...I'm rusty on these, but it's nowhere near 600MB. I'm thinking more like 60 or 130MB. -Frank McConnell

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Visicalc

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

Gee, and I thought this was a classic computer mailing list. silly me... In a message dated 98-01-03 15:42:53 EST, somebody went WAY off topic and said: << Um, I'm not sure what you just said, but: a) I'm sure this has nothing to do with old computers, unless God stands for Graphic Output Device :) b)I think you mean that if one tries to disprove Jesus, they automatically God's followers, but,once again, I'm not sure Original Message: << > Two thousand yeare since Bethlehem and still we hear the lie, > that after years of hopes and fears the best part's when we die. Yup, that's what I used to think. I felt sorry for all those poor misguided fools, Christians. (Didn't occur to me that some of them were very bright, and very skeptical, and had spent years studying to seek truth, & only then became Christians.) And then one day, I was forced to examine my 'beliefs', & was a little surprised to see that they were assumptions only. Bummer. So I had to check it out for myself. Sure is a ton of info out there, some good, some not, but anyway I was finally able to go 1%, & God went the other 99. So I now believe that anyone who diligently tries to disprove the teachings of Jesus, or seeks truth or whatever terminology you can live with -- with any kind of open mind at all (none of us can truly have an open mind, all we can do is try) -- will become His followers. Go and do likewise. Don't be chicken....... Regards, ---mikey >> >>

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Radio Shack TRS-80 DMP 100 Printer info n

by manney＠nwohio.com

I don't know RS stuff all that well. I'm assuming yours is a parallel printer. > >I was wondering if I can connect my DMP-100 to a PC through the parallel > >port in the back and if I need a special cable ? According to the manual, > >this port was made for TRS-80 only. It doesn't talk about PC in the manual. Many radio Schlock printers will work with some PC's and not others. I get the best luck with the newer motherboards (486/Pentium). > >If someone was able to connect it to a PC, please let me know how and which > >driver did you use in Windows? Use the "Generic" driver > > > >I was wondering if someone has a spare cable to connect this printer to a > >TRS-80 COCO II or III (using the DIN connector) to giveaway ? If not, which > >part number > >do I need to order from Radio Shack ? Weren't the COCO's serial? If the DMP-100's parallel, she won't work. btw, I do have several RS "edge card" parallel cables (a la Tandy 1000) if anyone wants. Given the recent prices mentioned for Lisas and Apples, maybe I should ask $100 each for 'em! manney(a)nwohio.com

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WTT: MITS Altair 8800 for DEC PDP-8

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 12:37 PM 1/3/98 -0600, you wrote: > > >> >> A LINC!!???!?!?! >> > >> >Wirehead - Anthony Clifton >> > >> >PS: Notice I haven't WHERE I'm getting the stuff from. I'll just keep >> >THAT little secret until they're safely in my basement. ;-D >> > >> > >> That's even better, that way it will be all packed and ready. Just tell >> us where your basement is :-) >> >Well you'd have to get past The Attack Cats of Lurking Evil, The Pet Rats >of Flailing Vengence and The Death Bunny. After that you'd have to >navigate the basement without having a giant bookshelf or computer topple >over on you, crushing you. After that you'd have to carry the equipment >upstairs avoiding the Doorknob of Bruised Hips, The Furniture of Hunger >that feeds on unwary shins and finally Steps Into The Abyss at the front >porch which never seem to be where you remembered them. =-) No problem. Sounds just like my house only we have Killer Parakeets as well! > >Indiana Jones and the Computer Room of Doom > >Wirehead - Anthony Clifton > >

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UNIX questions?

by Zeus334＠aol.com

> As an example at home my primary machine is a Macintosh, I know that my > Pentium running Linux is more stable, and runs a better OS. But I am far > more productive on my Macintosh, and the Applications that I want to run >are available on the Mac. Which IS what I meant at the beginning that started this whole little discussion! Linux is trying to compete with Windows 95 and MacOS, but is not designed around getting documents typed, and stuff like that, so the average user would be awfully unproductive, and the "power user" would spend years tweaking their shell script and recompiling the kernel to run vi perfectly, which can't even do fonts!

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New additions: H89A

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i picked this machine up for free: here's what i got. the H89A in good condition. possible power problem. clean, and in great cosmetic shape. even got the original dust cover for it! external 5.25 floppy drive. about 50 disks with cpm, wordstar, dbase, and several other apps. the best part is the extensive documentation. i have *ALL* the construction manuals,schematics, bios listings, software reference guides, and original disks in their packaging. even had some 8 inch cpm disks included! the person that gave me this machine wants to join the list. if someone can email me directly with what i need to tell him to subscribe, let me know please. david

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operating systems

by wirehead＠retrocomputing.com

> a)I am curious to know what that sed command line _was_ cat filename | sed s/"text to replace"/"replacement text"/g > outfile You can also do sed s/"text to replace"/"replacement text"/g < infile > outfile In my case it was under 40 characters to replace every instance of 1995 with 1997 in a 25mb file. > b)I appreciate Linux's usefulness for networks (I did mention TCP/IP stacks, > remember :), but I see no use in it for anything else. i.e. stuff like word > processing. Since that is the most common computer function today, I would > think Linux would have some utility for it, but all there is is stuff like vi > and EMACS. Why can't Linux folks settle with some MS Word-style program? > First, I don't consider word processing to be a meaningful test of an OS's usefulness. Word processing is probably the most wasteful way ever invented to use personal computers. Sure it's easy but I can word process just as quickly and easily on my old Mac SE as I can on a new 95 box. Second, there are applications...I believe WordPerfect is available for Linux as well as many other WSIWYG programs. I don't use them on my Linux box because I prefer to have it do useful things. Third, I think you need to pick up a copy of Linux Journal as it has listings for commercial software etc. Fourth, let's not underestimate the value of what you call 'TCP/IP Stack' operations. We're not talking about a replacement for Trumpet Winsock here...we're talking about being able to do EVERYTHING that thousands of dollars worth of commercial software can do, do it better and FASTER...for FREE. The financial value of that alone is incalculable when you realize how much of the Internet simply would not have been implemented had it not been for Linux (and other free unix-based OSs). > But wait! I DID try installing a small text editor to run under X. It needed > MOTIF, but said it would run with LessTIF. So, I copy over LessTIF and it > doesn't compile. Neither does the little notepad program, for that matter. All of this software you mention, or equivalents, is readily available on sunsite.unc.edu or other Linux archives in binary form. > That was the end of my last try at Linux, a few months ago. I have a Slackware > Linux CD with Kernels up to 1.3.12. I now have T-1 access, though, so if you > can suggest a system which COULD BE A VIABLE REPLACEMENT FOR MacOS OR WINDOWS, Linux isn't a replacement for MacOS or Windows...it goes FAR BEYOND the capabilities of either. Certainly you can use it for word processing, using the WordPerfect etc mentioned above, but Linux boxes are serious business machines that can represent thousands of dollars in revenues to a business that uses it. It's like saying a Cray could never be useful because you can't run Microsoft Word on it. I don't think it's reasonable to make Word the be-all end-all basis for judging a machine. Keep in mind that there's a trade-off between flexibility and ease-of-use. Linux will never be as easy to install as Windows 95. It isn't intended for that purpose. It's far too powerful and flexible for that and assumes that the user wants to go beyond mere word processing. Anthony Clifton - Wirehead

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by manney＠nwohio.com

> Which brings up an interesting point: Why do the self appointed software > cops go after software archives of "abandonware" that most of today's > computers usually run too fast anyway? Do these ancient games really hurt > todays software market? Anything 10 years old or older should be > freeware/public domain as far as games are concerned. They don't increase > productivity, and the collectors of these old games aren't doing any harm > are they? Well, frogger is a good example of why not. I see they're bringing it out again. Copyrights are what? 37 years? As someone who produces intellectual property (Photos and -- occasionally -- software), I appreciate copyright protection. Can't tell you why the self appointed software cops go after 'em...maybe because they're easy? manney

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Interesting Floppy Controller

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Normally I wouldn't do something like this, but I suspect I'm not the only one that will find this of interest. I'm posting some of the data because the web page is almost impossibly slow! Well looking for new Amiga web pages I found a most interesting Web page about the "Catweasel Advanced Floppy Controller". It can be found at http://www.rat.de/apd/catweasl.htm basically there are two flavors, one for a standard IBM PC, and one for the Amiga. Since it's primarily for use with the Amiga the Amiga version is more advanced, but even the PC version is most interesting. I've seen these for sale by some of the Amiga companies, but I didn't realise the wide variety of formats supported. Now I'm seriously thinking about getting one for my PC and one for my Amiga! Zane Here is a list of the formats the Web page lists. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Catweasel uses standard 3.5inch and 5.25 inch floppy drives and reads the following formats: These File-systems are supported: - CBM 1541 (DOS 2A) - CBM 1571 (DOS 2A), single-sided & double-sided - Amiga OFS - Amiga OFS localised - Amiga FFS - Amiga FFS localised - PC FAT12 - PC FAT16 - PC VFAT12 - PC VFAT16 via disk-image file (and therefore also sector by sector) - CBM 1541, 5.25" single-sided 170 KB - CBM 1571, 5.25" single-sided 170 KB - CBM 1571, 5.25" double-sided 341 KB - CBM 1581, 3.5" double-sided 800 KB - Amiga, 3.5", double-sided 880 KB - Amiga, 3.5", double-sided 1760 KB - Amiga, 5.25", double-sided 880 KB - Amiga, 5.25", double-sided 1760 KB - Atari ST, 3.5", double-sided 720 KB - Atari ST, 3.5", double-sided 800 KB - Atari ST, 3.5", double-sided 1440 KB - IBM PC, 3.5", double-sided 720 KB - IBM PC, 3.5", double-sided 1440 KB - IBM PC, 5.25", double-sided 360 KB - IBM PC, 5.25", double-sided 720 KB - IBM PC, 5.25", double-sided 800 KB - IBM PC, 5.25", double-sided 1200 KB - Catweasel-Extra, 3.5", double-sided 1160 KB - Catweasel-Extra, 3.5", double-sided 2380 KB - Apple Macintosh, 3.5", single-sided 400 KB - Apple Macintosh, 3.5", double-sided 720 KB - Apple Macintosh, 3.5", double-sided 800 KB - Apple Macintosh, 3.5", double-sided 1440 KB - Apple IIe, 5.25", single-sided 140 KB (sector access only) Sinclair QL (soon:) Atari 800XL (amiga catweasel can, read-only in the moment) (not yet) Armstrad 3" (please send us a drive and some floppies) (not yet) 8 inch Floppy (please send us a drive and floppies) (not yet) Any other Shugart floppy (please send us a drive and floppies) Currently only the Amiga version can write (most of them) to disk. The PC-ISA Catweasel will be able to write in the future... only a software update is needed!! It won't be too long now! The software for the PC-ISA Version can handle 4 controllers (8 Floppy Drives!) and uses no DMA and no IRQ! | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

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John's RANT was Re: operating systems

by manney＠nwohio.com

> While we're on the subject, I'll throw in my gripe. Why can't we copy > old computer manuals? Most of the computers and software are worthless > with the manuals. HP and the other companies gave up all > sales/support/service of these things years ago, why should they care if > we copy manuals that they don't sell any more? I'll agree there. Manuals' copyrights should expire after the software is no longer supported. manney

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operating systems

by manney＠nwohio.com

> Actually, It took a few minutes for works even to start up! We were editing > one-page documents. The Leading Edge Model D I have had two experiences with. > In one case it was ENIAC-speed (clock? oh, yeah, it's 3:30!) and the other it > was 286-speed. It should _fly_ on a 286. Were you running off the world's slowest HDD? (Actually, this is probably moot. As I understand you, the compooter isn't around anymore?) Anyway, mine's pretty quick.

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Old S/W (wasRe: operating systems)

by manney＠nwohio.com

> This works 2.0 is best example of user interface without interrupting > your train of thought and look as you go...And no playing games of > guessing buried in GUI menus, waiting for fancy features to load in > on demand. ...except that it doesn't work _exactly_ as the Win keystrokes do (I don't remember just what). > And keep that hands on that keyboard is BIG plus > especially without fuction keys and mouse. Yeah, I like that, too. The only time I use a mouse (mostly) is in drawing programs and #@$#%$ MS Schedule Plus, with which I have to use the mouse to dial a number. Stupid! > And another good example > was News Xpress had same user interface but the next version totally > lost it, using windows crap. :( That is one another big reason I'm > looking at linux ongoing basis. I have MSW 2 on my laptop, as I'm developing a spreadsheet app for a customer (old church with a non-Windows 386). It's legal to load multiple versions if you own the program. manney

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Ultrix/RISC 4.3 or NetBSD anyone?

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

At the risk of asking a loaded question... Thanks to Jim Willing, I've become the proud(?) owner of my first DECStation 3100. As a RISC box, I'm given to understand it will only run Ultrix and NetBSD (is there a Linux port for it?) With that in mind... does anyone happen to have: * An Ultrix 4.3/RISC or higher CD that they can loan me long enough to install? * Suggestions for where to obtain NetBSD on bootable CD-ROM? * A guide for creating a bootable CD-ROM using NetBSD files downloaded >from the 'net? (I have a Yamaha CD writer). Thanks in advance. Thanks again to Jim. ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin2(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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operating systems

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: Zeus334 <Zeus334(a)aol.com> <Actually, the ELKS webpage mentions that it should be technically possi <not-too-difficult to port ELKS to PDP-11 Doable but understand that ELKS is Embedded Linux Kernal System, the embedded part is the idea that some custom apps need and executave and the embeddable kernel is it. It's not a full linux. < Heck, every day I wonder why there isn't a Linux PDP-11 port. =-) Me too. Allison

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by Zeus334＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-12-31 17:40:13 EST, you write: << > (the XT came with a 10MB, but the XT's lasted so long that I found mine with > a 42, another reason that you can't run Linux, it requires 40MB minimum) and > So, Linux isn't possible, DOS isn't what you want, so get OS/2 or Errrr...not to quibble...but the primary restriction on using Linux is the processor and the RAM not so much the hard drive. You can run a usable linux system on a 386 with 4mb of RAM and 20mb of drive space. I know because I ran a small FTP/web server on one...if I powered it up, it'd still run and do ok...can't handle many simultaneous users and swaps itself to death if you don't reboot it every morning but that's easy with crond. You can't do ALOT of software development mind you...but you can have full networking utilities...even run Lynx for web stuff...and write shell scripts and editors and do all kinds of useful things. Wirehead - Anthony Clifton >> Er....one question here. I've tried Linux many times, as well as Minix. From all of my attempts, I have come to the following conclusion: Linux is not for doing USEFUL things. The express purpose of Linux is to provide something for people to recompile. After all, you HAVEN'T seen people doing something on Linux besides recompiling the kernel and configuring TCP/IP stacks, HAVE YOU?

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Radio Shack TRS-80 DMP 100 Printer info needed.

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Most of the tandy printers where serial. Does the DMP have a DIN cable, a D cable or a Centronics cable. Most had a serial DIN cable and you would have to make a custom cable that went from a PC"s serial port to the DIN on the printer. If it's a D connector you should be able to use a straight through serial cable. Getting it to talk, will be the next interesting part. Im not sure how they communicated, but you might be able to get at least text out of it. Let me know how it comes out. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Deschamps <erdesch(a)HEMPSEED.COM> To: Multiple recipients of list COCO <COCO(a)PUCC.BITNET> Date: Friday, January 02, 1998 4:45 PM Subject: Radio Shack TRS-80 DMP 100 Printer info needed. >I was wondering if I can connect my DMP-100 to a PC through the parallel >port in the back and if I need a special cable ? According to the manual, >this port was made for TRS-80 only. It doesn't talk about PC in the manual. >If someone was able to connect it to a PC, please let me know how and which >driver did you use in Windows? > >I was wondering if someone has a spare cable to connect this printer to a >TRS-80 COCO II or III (using the DIN connector) to giveaway ? If not, which >part number >do I need to order from Radio Shack ? > >Many thanks!!! >

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Visicalc

by Zeus334＠aol.com

Um, I'm not sure what you just said, but: a) I'm sure this has nothing to do with old computers, unless God stands for Graphic Output Device :) b)I think you mean that if one tries to disprove Jesus, they automatically God's followers, but,once again, I'm not sure Original Message: << > Two thousand yeare since Bethlehem and still we hear the lie, > that after years of hopes and fears the best part's when we die. Yup, that's what I used to think. I felt sorry for all those poor misguided fools, Christians. (Didn't occur to me that some of them were very bright, and very skeptical, and had spent years studying to seek truth, & only then became Christians.) And then one day, I was forced to examine my 'beliefs', & was a little surprised to see that they were assumptions only. Bummer. So I had to check it out for myself. Sure is a ton of info out there, some good, some not, but anyway I was finally able to go 1%, & God went the other 99. So I now believe that anyone who diligently tries to disprove the teachings of Jesus, or seeks truth or whatever terminology you can live with -- with any kind of open mind at all (none of us can truly have an open mind, all we can do is try) -- will become His followers. Go and do likewise. Don't be chicken....... Regards, ---mikey >>

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WTT: MITS Altair 8800 for DEC PDP-8

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 01:06 AM 1/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >> A LINC!!???!?!?! >> > >Wirehead - Anthony Clifton > >PS: Notice I haven't WHERE I'm getting the stuff from. I'll just keep >THAT little secret until they're safely in my basement. ;-D > > That's even better, that way it will be all packed and ready. Just tell us where your basement is :-)

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John's RANT was Re: operating systems

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 10:01 AM 1/3/98, you wrote: > While we're on the subject, I'll throw in my gripe. Why can't we copy >old computer manuals? Most of the computers and software are worthless >with the manuals. HP and the other companies gave up all >sales/support/service of these things years ago, why should they care if >we copy manuals that they don't sell any more? They care because they can keep a xerox copy of those manuals around to sell to us for the unholy figure of $35-$50 if someone ever actually asks them for one. (Not naming names, but one company that does this rhymes with Sandy.) - John Higginbotham - limbo.netpath.net

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Sinclair Spectrum +3

by dwalterm＠ix.netcom.com

I am just starting to use this 1985 Z80 computer and wonder if anyone else has one. It has a built in 3" (not 3.5") drive. Its the last of the Sinclair computers. It also runs CP/M 3.0. I'd be interested if anyone knows about a UK company called Spectre Communications that made a plug in RS232 board and comunication package for it. Don Walterman

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Frank Knows his stuff was Re: What is this HP 9000/220?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote (after me): > >Every once in a while I see a flavor of 9000/200 that is built into or > >around an HP 2382 terminal housing: small, beige skin, brown bezel around > >9" monochrome CRT. > > That sounds more like the 9000 216 aka 9816. Look at > "http://www.intellistar.net/~rigdonj/hp9816.jpg" and see if that looks like > what you're thinking of. Yep, that is what I was thinking of. > This was a box about the size of a 9133 disk > drive and had 8? expansion slots in the back and no attached monitor or > keybaord. it said 9000 217 on the front top corner. Hmm. I'm going to have to pull my old /320 out to look at it, but that was about the same cross-section, only deeper than the 9133. The CPU plugs into the bottom slot (and has a special connector), then there are several DIO slots above it. > BTW Do you know where I can get a keyboard for a 9816? Do you know if any > of the other keyboards will work on it? I have a bunch of HP-HIL keyboards > and they use that same style connector. I'm not sure if it's the same size > or number of contacts though. I do know that the 9816 keyboard has one > latch on top and the HIL keybaord has two latchs, one on each side. The 9816 keyboard in your picture looks something like the small/standard 2382 keyboard, except the 2382 keyboard has wider function keys across the top row (typical HP terminal) and doesn't have the knob. The 2382 keyboard had a similar modular connector and was not HP-HIL. I don't think I'd chance it. You might want to ask on comp.sys.hp.{hardware,misc} and see if anyone there knows. [Integral PC] > I have heard it called a 9807, ONCE. It's also shown as a 9807 in the > '87 catalog. The IPC is one of my favorites! I have two of them and lots > of software. If you run across any IPCs or accessories or software, I'M > INTERESTED! Yep, they are fun boxes. Unfortunately the only spare bit I have for one right now is a 256KB RAM card. Hmm, what would I like to find? Technical BASIC. I gather it installs into the ROM cartridge in the back of the machine. Mine just seems to have the System V version of HP-UX for the IPC. -Frank McConnell

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by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 01:11 AM 1/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >And none of those ganes were ever as good as the "Big-5" series on >the old TRS-80's with their monochrome 128x48 "graphics". The Linux >fight is over, it's time for an arcade-game dicksize war. (And I've >never been good at arcade games). The best to me back then weren't the arcade games. I mean you have to admit it's a little hard to conceptualize something in a 128x48 grid. Nope, the games that did it for me back then were the text parsing adventure games (infocom, etc.) Although there were some games that never die, and I still play (Anyone remember Space War?) and of course Combat on the Atari 2600. I've got a CD full of abandonware games that I have slowly put together from websites that seem to go down as fast as they come up. There are ancient games on that CD that I have never played. <rant> Which brings up an interesting point: Why do the self appointed software cops go after software archives of "abandonware" that most of today's computers usually run too fast anyway? Do these ancient games really hurt todays software market? Anything 10 years old or older should be freeware/public domain as far as games are concerned. They don't increase productivity, and the collectors of these old games aren't doing any harm are they? </rant> - John Higginbotham - limbo.netpath.net

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HP 85 printer belt PN

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I don't remember who asked for the part number for the HP 85 printer drive belt but I finally dug out my service manual and found the numbers. There are two belts in the printer. One drives the carriage and is PN 1500-0529. The other drives the paper advance and is PN 1500-0572. If one is bad you should go ahead and replace both. During the week you can call HP's automated ordering line at 1-800-227-8164 and order them if they're still available. Let me know if these are still available and what they cost. If you can't get them, let me know and I'll open up one of my 85s and measure the belts and to to match them up with something from Small Parts Inc or one of the other companies. Joe

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by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 02:48 PM 1/2/98 -0600, you wrote: >get all those pretty colors... (Thank goodness *somebody*'s coloring all >those boring old black and white movies! 8^) They used to do that with older games that were originally in 4-color CGA, going back and redoing them in VGA 256 color. Just a few though. Space Quest springs to mind... - John Higginbotham - limbo.netpath.net

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Frank Knows his stuff was Re: What is this HP 9000/220?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

pvhp(a)forte.com (Peter Prymmer) wrote: > I am brimming with curiosity about the MPE OS: What is it like? ObAdvocacy: <BIFF> K00L3R THAN L1NUX!!!! </BIFF> It's stable like a rock, and doesn't need a lot of maintenance. You want a system that can stay up for a year? Choose MPE. > Having tried to glean some info from the HP web site I can only > surmise that the target market is mid to large businesses and > might be comparable to IBM AS/400 or Mainframe type computing > environments. Am I right? Yep, pretty much. Historically, 3000s have been aimed at transaction-processing environments. There have been efforts to push 3000s into office automation roles but they really didn't stick, both because PCs got cheap and because 3000s (particularly the classics) really didn't do interactive character terminal I/O very well. > If that is the case I am curious: does MPE run with ASCII or EBCDIC > character sets? ASCII. But there's some presumption (in many applications, including some of the configuration tools) that you will be using an HP terminal that supports block mode, which (approximately) lets the application use the terminal's memory as a buffer for a form, so that the user can do his editing in the terminal then transmit the completed form to the 3000 in a fast block transfer. > Does MPE support a UNIX like environment - even as an option? If you're running MPE/iX, yes. :RUN SH.HPBIN.SYS and you will get a $ prompt. > What is the shell like? The MPE command interpreter...well, I can't speak for the MPE/iX CI. I haven't used it enough. The classic MPE CI is not really like a Unix shell -- there are a bunch of internal commands that look like they do their own filename globbing depending on whether they handle filesets or not, there aren't really pipes (instead there are "message files" which are sort of record-structured FIFOs with disc-file backing store). > What is the C compiler like? For MPE/iX, it's available and seems to be a somewhat modern C compiler for PA-RISC 1.0. GCC has also been ported to MPE/iX. At Wollongong, we used a third-party C compiler that sometimes made me wish SPL supported structure/record declarations. It was a slow compiler, and it had a really conservative approach to addressing modes...though I managed to find ways around some of its conservatism. > Editors? Well, you get EDIT/3000, which is a line-oriented editor that is suitable for use on all manner of terminals, even the printing ones. I believe someone ported MicroEMACS to MPE/iX a while back, and you definitely get vi with it. There are also several third-party editors, some in the Interex contributed software library (e.g. QUAD, which includes a pseudo-screen editing mode) and some commercial (e.g. Robelle's QEDIT, which lots of 3000 folks swear by). > How long has it been on the market? 25 years. -Frank McConnell

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Classifieds2000 apology

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 07:13 PM 1/2/98, you wrote: > Did you see the ad on there for the KayPro 4 on there for $10,000 ! >Honest! I'm not making this up! Gee, my Altair must be worth millions! >I wish! Some yahoo on www.haggle.com had an Apple Lisa listed for $15,000.00. People collect these old machines, but not for the money, for the nostalgia mostly. At least that's how it is in my case, although I do use some of my machines on a daily basis. (Mostly for playing my collection of ancient games that just seem to run like greased electrons on my Cyrix 200 system. :) - John Higginbotham - limbo.netpath.net

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Frank Knows his stuff was Re: What is this HP 9000/220?

by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu, fmc(a)reanimators.org Subj: Re: Frank Knows his stuff was Re: What is this HP 9000/220? Frank McConnell wrote: >I've been doing stuff with HPs for over 20 years now (mostly with >3000s and HP PCs), and some of it stuck. But I've never worked with >Series 200s so don't know that much about them, just what I've picked >up here and there. And I still think I have a lot to learn. > >Why do I know about Series 500s? In 1989 I took a job at a little >company called The Wollongong Group, supporting a product for the HP >3000 called WIN/TCP for MPE/V. Little did I know, they also had a >product for the HP 9000 Series 500s called, straightforwardly enough, >WIN/TCP for HP 9000 Series 500. They expected me to support that too >-- after all it's all HP stuff, it's all weird/how different can it >be? (yep, that's how they thought) -- so I did. <snip> >-Frank McConnell "I want my MPE" (w/apologies to Dire Straits) > <fmc(a)reanimators.org> I am brimming with curiosity about the MPE OS: What is it like? Having tried to glean some info from the HP web site I can only surmise that the target market is mid to large businesses and might be comparable to IBM AS/400 or Mainframe type computing environments. Am I right? If that is the case I am curious: does MPE run with ASCII or EBCDIC character sets? Does MPE support a UNIX like environment - even as an option? What is the shell like? What is the C compiler like? Editors? In short - what is MPE like? How long has it been on the market? Sorry, but I have never personally known anyone/anyplace that runs MPE, until I came across a UC campus with a web site that several MPE freeware packages available. However, from that (as well as any possible newsgroups) it is difficult to determine what the OS is like for the user/admin/programmer and I would appreciate some info. Thanks very much to anyone who can respond. Peter Prymmer

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Visicalc

by manney＠nwohio.com

> I mentioned a while ago that I saw a copy of Apple II visicalc. Well, I > finally got it. It has all the stuff, and is a 1981 copy. I was wondering if > there was a PC version or port for DOS? Sure was. -- I've got one (no manuals, tho'). I messed with it a little...works sorta like early Lotus. IIRC, there was one for the PCjr, too. manney(a)nwohio.com

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Frank Knows his stuff was Re: What is this HP 9000/220?

by KFergason＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-02 17:36:09 EST, you write: << Why do I know about Series 500s? In 1989 I took a job at a little company called The Wollongong Group, supporting a product for the HP 3000 called WIN/TCP for MPE/V. Little did I know, they also had a product for the HP 9000 Series 500s called, straightforwardly enough, WIN/TCP for HP 9000 Series 500. They expected me to support that too -- after all it's all HP stuff, it's all weird/how different can it be? (yep, that's how they thought) -- so I did. >> Oh cool. from 89-92, I managed 2 500's, a 540 and a 560. I don't remember the exact differences between the two. but, they were great. we had the wollongong software on them. my favorite was the 400 Mb had disk that looked and sounded like a dishwasher. Kelly

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10k Kaypro? Here's another laugh!

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

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10k Kaypro? Here's another laugh!

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 03:32 PM 1/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >Here is one that I got today from someone offering "Rare Apple Computers and Hardware". Seems that the prices are about as far disconnected from reality as his web page. It's there, but has no content other than a splash screen. >Apple Macintosh 512K - 200.00 I feel so stupid... I sold a Mac 512ke for $40 about 3 months ago. Man, I better go update my prices... I'm sitting on a fortune!!!! - John Higginbotham - limbo.netpath.net

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DECmate III / RX50 question

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Two quick questions: 1. What is a disk substitution for a DEC RX-50 diskette? 2. How can you get a DECmate terminal working as a regular "dumb" terminal in stead of a word processor? TIA! Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

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operating systems

by Zeus334＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-02 20:03:36 EST, you write: << > Right. And if you ran MS Works 2.0 for DOS on an XT, which was unfortunately > what had to be done for a while with me, it would show characters maybe a > second after they are type, especially on a Leading Edge Model D, which was > first priority to replace among the 8 XTs that were slowly being phased out. I've used MSW on XT's (even a PC), and I don't remember its being all that slow. What were you doing? Editing War & Peace? > MS-DOS edit or Windows Write works very much faster. (Don't get me wrong here, > I love the Leading Edge Model D, it's just so damn slow) I think they're pretty quick (faster than the IBM XT, anyway!) >> Actually, It took a few minutes for works even to start up! We were editing one-page documents. The Leading Edge Model D I have had two experiences with. In one case it was ENIAC-speed (clock? oh, yeah, it's 3:30!) and the other it was 286-speed.

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Visicalc

by Zeus334＠aol.com

Another thing: I saw a copy of Lotus 123 for the Rainbow 100. Anyone want that? In a message dated 98-01-02 19:06:16 EST, you write: << Actually I think VisiCalc WAS the early version of Lotus 123. I don't remember all the names but VisiCalc was originally developed by some guy as a school project. One of the other students liked it and bought the rights to it for something like $100 and formed Lotus Developement Corp (I think that's the right name). It was first marketed as VisiCalc and was virtually unchanged from the original project software except for being ported to different systems. Later the name was changed to Lotus 123 and the product was further developed. Another case of the inventor ending up sweeping floors and a promoter becoming rich with someone else's idea. (Tesla >> George Westinghouse) (Henry >> Oliver Winchester) etc etc. >>

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Frank Knows his stuff was Re: What is this HP 9000/220?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > Frank knows his HPs! I know the 200 series pretty well but he's got all > of them down pat. I've been doing stuff with HPs for over 20 years now (mostly with 3000s and HP PCs), and some of it stuck. But I've never worked with Series 200s so don't know that much about them, just what I've picked up here and there. And I still think I have a lot to learn. Why do I know about Series 500s? In 1989 I took a job at a little company called The Wollongong Group, supporting a product for the HP 3000 called WIN/TCP for MPE/V. Little did I know, they also had a product for the HP 9000 Series 500s called, straightforwardly enough, WIN/TCP for HP 9000 Series 500. They expected me to support that too -- after all it's all HP stuff, it's all weird/how different can it be? (yep, that's how they thought) -- so I did. Somewhere along the way I decided I wanted a windowing environment that could handle HP terminal emulation on my desk, and after fooling around a bit with PCs I saw some guy up in Berkeley trying to be rid of a 9000 Series 320. So I bought it, and it was good. That sat there 'til early 1994 when I got retreaded into a Windows device driver kind of guy. Now I guess it's part of my collection -- it sits in the storage closet. > FWIW the 9000 Vectra series computers (or some of them anyway) used > 80286 CPUs and were MS-DOS compatable. 9000 Vectra? My recollection of the Vectra family is that it's all IBM-compatibles (well, mostly, I remember the earliest Vectras and they were about 99% if you allowed for the HP-isms that snuck in, like the HP-HIL interface for the keyboard and mouse, the HP keyboard with the f1-f8 keys across the top, and the funky HP Multimode MDA/CGA display adapter) and never was a part of the 9000 family. Though I think I remember something about a coprocessor card (set?) you could stick in ISA slot(s) to run Rocky Mountain BASIC. Of course HP would have sold that in/for Vectra boxes. > NOW My turn. Does anyone know exactly what a 9000 217 model is? I found > one but I've neverheard of it before and it's not in any of my catalogs. Every once in a while I see a flavor of 9000/200 that is built into or around an HP 2382 terminal housing: small, beige skin, brown bezel around 9" monochrome CRT. I think some of the ones I've seen were hooked up to 91[23]x disk drives, and can't remember whether the processor was in a similarly-sized box or in the terminal. Could that be it? I think the HP Integral PC was also the HP 9000/207 though I don't know if it was ever sold under that name. -Frank McConnell "I want my MPE" (w/apologies to Dire Straits) <fmc(a)reanimators.org>

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operating systems

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> > second after they are type, especially on a Leading Edge Model D, w I have a Leading Edge model D here in active use. Nice machine and locked (no turbo) to 4.77mhz. Mine has had a hard disk controller added and a souped up floppy controller to do 1.44 3.5". That and a V20 it's stock and runs well. Save fpr I'm using it for other things I've had Win3.0 running on it and it's not that bad considering. Currently it has Wordperfect works on it and it's very useful for text work. Allison

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Classifieds2000 apology

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:38 PM 12/31/97, you wrote: >You should have read the ad. It says "WANTED TO BUY AN IMSAI COMPUTER WITH >OR WITH OUT MANUALS. ALSO ALTAIRS, PROLOG, KIMS, SBC-80-10 BY INTEL YEARS >1975-1982 DECS, JUPER-II BY WAVE MATE. I WILL PAY UP TO 200+ FOR CSOME I should have actually read the ad. I'm *really* sorry to have wasted everone's time with this. >Classifieds2000 is a waste of time IMO. I'm beginning to think so too. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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MAI ?

by rcini＠email.msn.com

I think that MAI produced an accounting system "solution" for businesses consisting of a multi-user computer system and proprietary accounting software. I remember running into them occasionally during field audits of some of our clients. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================

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by Zeus334＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-02 16:38:35 EST, you write: << >When I first ran winders it was on a 386/16 with 4mb of ram > it seemed fast enough to do a lot of useful work. > > > Allison Well, yeah. But, that was when a Winders program came on a couple of floppies, before the code -- and graphics -- bloat. A program, then, did less and had less junk (toolbars and suchlike). Still, some things _have_ improved in speed. My Corel Draw 3 on my laptop handles text in a rather leisurely fashion, wheras Corel Draw 7 is quite snappy. manney(a)nwohio.com >> Right. And if you ran MS Works 2.0 for DOS on an XT, which was unfortunately what had to be done for a while with me, it would show characters maybe a second after they are type, especially on a Leading Edge Model D, which was first priority to replace among the 8 XTs that were slowly being phased out. MS-DOS edit or Windows Write works very much faster. (Don't get me wrong here, I love the Leading Edge Model D, it's just so damn slow)

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by Zeus334＠aol.com

> True story. > > When my sone was about 5, he had very interesting taste in TV shows. It > went something like this: > > - If it is animated, watch it. We all love Windows 95 :) > - If it is live-action in color, change the channel. We all love Windows 95 :) > - If it is live-action in B&W, watch it for a while to see if it's funny. Not that strange. Remember that Charlie Chaplin, The Three Stooges, and MS-DOS 1.0 are the three all-time comedy classics! > > Roger Ivie > ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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