- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by mallison＠konnections.com

www.timco-computers.com Wow, Great prices. Looks like they have an awful lot of worthless junque for people who regularly crave such things. Been looking for a MAC board for my 2page display, Guess I know where to get one... Thanks for the ref.. -Mike

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back ontopic: mac 400k drive.

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-26 23:36:11 EST, you write: << The grease on the eject rails hardens and causes this behaviour. You -can- get it out with the paper clip if it moves at all, but you have to push hard. >> turns out that's exactly what it was! thankfully the drive mechanism separates >from the rest of the drive with screws. i had some head and disk cleaner (alcohol) in a spray can, so i just sprayed it on the parts and worked them back and forth until they were loose. i've no grease, but at least its working just fine now. david.

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DEC Sold to Compaq!

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Well, I found out that Atari is kicking. Has anyone heard about the game "Primal Rage" It's copywrighted to Atari Games. Tim D. Hotze PS-It's my opinion that OS/2 (there making a new version) and DEC will be around, in one form or another, for quite awhile. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Prymmer <pvhp(a)forte.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 4:59 AM Subject: Re: DEC Sold to Compaq! >classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >Subj: Re: DEC Sold to Compaq! > >Richard A. Cini wrote: > >>Well, you could see it coming. Poor financial performance (and hence, weak >>stock price) over the last few years. Weak products. Then, DEC sells-out the >>Crown Jewels (its Alpha procesor) to Intel. >> >> After listening to an interview with Eckhard Pfeiffer of Compaq, they >>paid $9.6 billion for DEC's customer list, not its products. He mentions >>nothing about DEC's products. > >According to the scoop on DEC web pages and in comp.os.vms and various VMS >mailing list he said: > > We are committed to...investing in Digital's strategic assets, particularly > its worldwide service organization, as well as its 64-bit leadership with Alpha > microprocessors, OpenVMS, Digital UNIX and Windows NT enterprise systems, > open storage, and software products," Eckhard Pfeiffer, president and chief > executive officer of Compaq, said in a statement. > >And all the VMS geeks are tickled pink that he mentioned VMS first on the list >of OSes and point out that DEC CEO Bob Palmer hasn't been known to do that. > >> It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. >>Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. > >Well IBM is still alive and kicking (rumour is that the whole OS/2 shop has >been fired/re-assigned/real-estate liqidated but AS/400 minis and mainframes >are making a strong comeback). I Don't know much about Unisys though... > >Peter Prymmer > > >

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DEC Sold to Compaq!

by pvhp＠forte.com

classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subj: Re: DEC Sold to Compaq! Richard A. Cini wrote: >Well, you could see it coming. Poor financial performance (and hence, weak >stock price) over the last few years. Weak products. Then, DEC sells-out the >Crown Jewels (its Alpha procesor) to Intel. > > After listening to an interview with Eckhard Pfeiffer of Compaq, they >paid $9.6 billion for DEC's customer list, not its products. He mentions >nothing about DEC's products. According to the scoop on DEC web pages and in comp.os.vms and various VMS mailing list he said: We are committed to...investing in Digital's strategic assets, particularly its worldwide service organization, as well as its 64-bit leadership with Alpha microprocessors, OpenVMS, Digital UNIX and Windows NT enterprise systems, open storage, and software products," Eckhard Pfeiffer, president and chief executive officer of Compaq, said in a statement. And all the VMS geeks are tickled pink that he mentioned VMS first on the list of OSes and point out that DEC CEO Bob Palmer hasn't been known to do that. > It's a shame...but it seems to me that DEC should have seen it coming. >Death comes to the last of the old-line computer companies. Well IBM is still alive and kicking (rumour is that the whole OS/2 shop has been fired/re-assigned/real-estate liqidated but AS/400 minis and mainframes are making a strong comeback). I Don't know much about Unisys though... Peter Prymmer

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This is the end... (Compaq buys DEC)

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Well, look here... http://www.digital.com/flash/f192 It's the end of Aplha, I know that... Compaq likes Intel, and so they'll do Intel a favor and kill Alpha off. Then all DEC will make is PC clones... And that's the end of decent architectures from Maynard! -------

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Luggables

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

>The original "suitcase" portable, I have to agree, but the lunch box >portables are quite nice. Though I expected some access to an ISA bus >in the Compaq III, there weren't any. That's the one nice advantage to >the luggable -- they're expandable, to a degree... The Portable III often comes with an expansion box that fits on the back. Makes the package a "big" lunchbox and has room for 2 or 3 ISA cards. Most I have seen have VGA and network cards in there.

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Luggables

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:14 PM 1/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >Yeah, I've been looking for an expansion module. Hope I see one....if >anyone sees any let me know what the going prices are... There was one for sale recently on ebay; I forget what it eventually sold for, but it was: Compaq Portable III ISA Expansion Unit. (item #3694518) You can do a search to look up the final price. Also, I know where there may be one for $100, but you have to take the Compaq it's attached to as well. 8^) (Condition unknown, etc.; it's outta my price range.) P.S., Just to let folks know, this list doesn't get anywhere near as off-topic as a couple of Land Rover lists I'm on, and it is nowhere near as well policed as the Dressage list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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MFM drives

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

>My two favorite tools for HD work are the "On-Track Disk Manager >program V 5", and "Hard Drive Test Specs" program. DM lets you test, >LL format, create, and prep partitions. I will give a hearty second to the recommendation for Disk Manager. Can't be beat. If you've ever swapped a hard drive, or you ever plan to, get this program! If you even know what a hard drive is, you should probably have it. Also good is LapLink Pro, which allows you to transfer itself to another computer without having to use diskettes -- handy for those older (PC) machines (like >10 years) whose floppy drives have gone south, but you want access to the hard drive. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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IBM Portable Personal Computer (and other things)

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> I'm not that impressed with the 3270pc. I bought it because I wanted > stuff out of it, but it was all pretty much proprietary (and covered > in dust and old) lots of wire wrapping and jumpers, so I just left it > alone. Now I use it to test Linux-16. > > The REAL question is, if IBM used these as terminals which could run > software, what did they have in them allowing them to use the network > ports? I mean that was 1984, DOS might have had some hooks, but they > would have sold it. > > Were these running XENIX/86, CPM86, or what? Anyone know? Anyone have > the software... Um. As I recall, when you booted a 3270PC, it booted MS-DOS from the hard disk as usual. Early on in the boot procedure, it loaded some sort of 3270-terminal-operating-system which grabbed some memory somewhere, locked DOS out of it somehow and REBOOTED. DOS then loaded normally UNDERNEATH the terminal program. The 3270 PC had some extra keys on the keyboard - the function keys (24 of them) were where they are on a modern PC keyboard, but there was a block of keys where they were on the original PC keyboard. These keys did things like switch between your terminal session and your PC session. The keyboard plugged into the terminal card as well as the keyboard port, BTW - I think the terminal card filtered out stuff that wasn't meant for the DOS session. The point was, DOS never knew about the terminal unless you specifically piped data through the terminal program. IBM sold an API (Application Program Interface) which was a piece of software allowing programs running on the PC to type on the terminal, look at the terminal screen memory, etc. Very crude. File transfer software - not very good - was available too. The reason they were rare was that the IBM 3270 terminal protocol (SNA, Systems Network Architecture) was only used on IBM mainframes - not even on the System/3X minis. I don't know how it worked but it was EBCDIC for a start... Returning to the 5155, when I was working at IBM this was the cheapest complete system in the IBM range - it was much the same price as an XT (if not less) and it had a monitor built in. Many IBM employees bought them as an entry level system (IBM required us to sign a contract saying we wouldn't develop software for other than IBM machines - I don't know whether this would have survived a court case!) But there must be some around if only for that reason. Hope this helps! Philip. PS *** Off Topic *** Will Sam and Anthony please go and have their argument somewhere else? The first couple of posts about Anthony's personal testimony were interesting and related to computers. The subsequent argument about drugs and off-topic posts, not to mention mature adults of 17 and silly kids of 30 (I'm one of the latter FWIW) was not. Sam, you say Anthony has problems - but so do you. Will you stop jumping down everybody's throat as soon as the topic starts to drift, please? Finally, alcohol. Interesting points about Prohibition (which we didn't have over here). Thank you whoever posted them (even though off topic). Denatured alcohol here is still "Methylated Spirit" - i.e. it has had methanol added. It has also had pyridine (I think) added to make it look purple and taste foul, and it is therefore even more poisonous, but it doesn't leave a residue. On the subject of home-made booze, if you use the wrong sort of yeast, you may well get methanol in the ferment. During prohibition I'd guess that proper brewer's yeast was not easily available! Apparently potatoes are particularly susceptible, and this has given the traditional Irish spirit made therefrom, Poteen, a bad name for making you literally "blind drunk." Since I am a non-drinker I'd better say no more on that subject... Philip.

28 years, 3 months

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toner cleaning

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

IT IS CARBON TETRACHLORIDE that produces phosgene when it is > reduced on a hot surface. Carbon tet (tetrachloromethane) hasn't been > available for 30 years! Funny how legends continue to spread. :) H'm. Sorry for shooting off my mouth. Computers (peecees, anyway...) I know, but chem is not my cuppa tea. manney

28 years, 3 months

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Mid-Atlantic Antique Computer Club

by Marty＠itgonline.com

To whom it may concern: I would like to get in touch with anybody interested in 'antique' computers, especially in the Washington, DC metropolitan area to exchange info and perhaps start an east coast collector organization. Please email me: marty(a)itgonline.com Thanks- Marty Mintzell 5635 Heming avenue Springfield, Virginia 22151 703-569-2380 email:marty@itgonline.com

28 years, 3 months

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toner cleaning

by Squest＠cris.com

On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > Great, but what does homemade booze have to do with collecting old > computers? Well, one guy wondered what it was that caused denatured alcohol to leave residue on his computer printed circuit boards he was cleaning. My off-topic message answered that question he never even asked. :) Now if you'd like to eat your words, start munching. :) My off-topic post was of benefit to ONE PERSON, and that's enough to justify it's creation. sq (just put the unique word "Squest" in your killfile if you don't like it.) -- -<squest(a)cris.com>---------\ ( ( | ) ) Amendment1 Congress shall make ============================> /_\ no law abridging the freedom MicroPower FM Broadcasting-/ /\_/\ of speech, or of the press.

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IBM Portable Personal Computer (and other things)

by mallison＠konnections.com

I wouldn't know if my 3270pc is original or not, but there's no extended keyboard. -Mike ---------- > From: Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re[2]: IBM Portable Personal Computer (and other things) > Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 10:44 AM > > > I'm not that impressed with the 3270pc. I bought it because I wanted > > stuff out of it, but it was all pretty much proprietary (and covered > > in dust and old) lots of wire wrapping and jumpers, so I just left it > > alone. Now I use it to test Linux-16. > > > > The REAL question is, if IBM used these as terminals which could run > > software, what did they have in them allowing them to use the network > > ports? I mean that was 1984, DOS might have had some hooks, but they > > would have sold it. > > > > Were these running XENIX/86, CPM86, or what? Anyone know? Anyone have > > the software... > > Um. As I recall, when you booted a 3270PC, it booted MS-DOS from the > hard disk as usual. Early on in the boot procedure, it loaded some sort > of 3270-terminal-operating-system which grabbed some memory somewhere, > locked DOS out of it somehow and REBOOTED. DOS then loaded normally > UNDERNEATH the terminal program. > > The 3270 PC had some extra keys on the keyboard - the function keys (24 > of them) were where they are on a modern PC keyboard, but there was a > block of keys where they were on the original PC keyboard. These keys > did things like switch between your terminal session and your PC > session. The keyboard plugged into the terminal card as well as the > keyboard port, BTW - I think the terminal card filtered out stuff that > wasn't meant for the DOS session. The point was, DOS never knew about > the terminal unless you specifically piped data through the terminal > program. > >

28 years, 3 months

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99 cent store find...

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

While on a recent excursion to Stockton (a realtively close big city for us) we stopped by one of those 99 cent clearnace centers and I was surprised to find boxes of disks available. I picked up 90 DS/DD diskettes for just $8.91, 9.9 cents for a 'new' brand name disk is pretty good. They also had 5.25" DS/HD (don't have any need for those...) and also a few boxes of 8" disks, (W/WP, is that the format? It was the only thing that looked like a format/sectoring I.D. to me...) Other than that I picked up a VIC-20 RF modulator for 75 cents... Wasn't really thrift-storing that day... :) I did pick up a Maganavox composite/RGB monitor for only $4.50 a couple weeks back though. Question on this, it has TTL RGB and Lin. RGB ports, is the Lin. RGB Analog RGB? (Magnavox did produce a few Commodore/Amiga monitors, I am hoping this one may be Amiga compatible...) Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

28 years, 3 months

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by bufforec＠studiobuffo.com.pl

I am looking for 20M removable bernoulli drives. I use them in my music console rack. Since two weeks I have problem with it and I can't read old data. I make few radical steps included filter exchange but without succes. This units are dedicated to my system and I can replace it only for the same 20M drives. Maybe somebody, somewhere has useless items in a basement store... Thanks for colaboration. Jarek Warsaw 25.01.98

28 years, 3 months

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Luggables

by mallison＠konnections.com

Yeah, I've been looking for an expansion module. Hope I see one....if anyone sees any let me know what the going prices are... (It probably just went up in value.....) -Mike ---------- > From: Olminkhof <jolminkh(a)c2.telstra-mm.net.au> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Luggables > Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 5:08 AM > > > > >The original "suitcase" portable, I have to agree, but the lunch box > >portables are quite nice. Though I expected some access to an ISA bus > >in the Compaq III, there weren't any. That's the one nice advantage to > >the luggable -- they're expandable, to a degree... > > > The Portable III often comes with an expansion box that fits on the back. > Makes the package a "big" lunchbox and has room for 2 or 3 ISA cards. Most I > have seen have VGA and network cards in there. >

28 years, 3 months

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Looking for a Fujitsu M2382 User

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi All: The title says it all. I have a sick M2382 SMD drive, and am looking for someone who is running one successfully, so that we can compare switch settings, QD32 or QD33 parameters, or documentation. The drive's on a known-good QD32 on a Microvax II. It's in tandem with an M2372, on the same QD32. The M2372 drive is working well. Thanks, Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

28 years, 3 months

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Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!]) (fwd)

by mallison＠konnections.com

Yeah, so, he mailed a personal note, off line off the list, like he's supposed to, so that there isn't a bunch of drivvel on the list. That's the whole point to this seemingly pointless discussion. -Mike Allison ---------- > > I think the following says all that need be said about this debate. > I received it from Mr. Ismail this evening. > > Anthony Clifton - Wirehead

28 years, 3 months

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"Black Apple" Floppy Drive

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Somebody's selling a Bell & Howell "black Apple" floppy drive on Ebay: http://iguana.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4986738

28 years, 3 months

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//gs manuals

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Well, after closer investigation, I found the DOS info that I needed. Sorry for the post. I'd still like the manuals, though. Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

28 years, 3 months

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Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!])

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Sorry to but in, but some of us ARE CHILDREN. ;-) And, honestly, I hate to point out, but you're acting less mature than we do. Honestly, the guy made a mistake. Why blame him? If there's anyone who can seriously tell me their perfect, then disregard this, but we all make 'em. Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!]) >Oh, stop acting like children! I screwed up by misdirecting that message in >the first place. Nobody needs to get violent! Just tag the posts [OFF-TOPIC] >like is done in a.f.s-m. That way you can kill the message if you don't want to read it. >-------

28 years, 3 months

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II+ Os/Software

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hi. I'm getting a II+ from Jeff Kaneko, but, as usual from thrift stores, no OS/Software. Is the II+ like the II GS, downloadalbe from the 'Net? Also, is there any software out there? If I can download it from the net, where, and how do I copy it (using either 1.44MB 3.5" or a 360K 5.25" drive, PC, SERIAL connection???) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

28 years, 3 months

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Now, back to topic...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Yes, I know I started that mess :) Sorry. I just picked up a MicroVAX 2000. Little bitty box. It's portable, it even has a handle. Runx VAX/VMS 5.4. I'll drop NetBSD on here and have it up in no time at all. Or, I may keep VMS... -------

28 years, 3 months

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IIgs manuals wanted

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: Does anyone have a spare set of Apple //gs manuals that they'd be willing to part with? I just got two floppy drives for my new gs, so I'm just beginning to work my way around it. I'm running ProDOS until I can get OS/GS transferred to it. I've got a 5-1/4" and a 3-1/2" floppy, but can't seem to get ProDOS to INIT a new disk. No immediate solution is apparent from Nathan Mates' on-line info. Thanks! Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

28 years, 3 months

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Atari 800/ 800XL DOS commands?

by archive＠navix.net

Hello: Here's my question. I am trying to figure out how to load certain commands on an Atari 800xl. I guess I should say 'files'. I can load BASIC files just fine with DOS loaded, I just exit to BASIC and RUN"D1:game.bas" -- is there a way to do it directly from DOS 2.5, etc., without going back to BASIC? And, my primary question.... if I see a machine language file in the DOS directory such as ataridemo.obj or game237.com, how can I load these. I have interpreted from some other sources that I need to reboot without the basic cartridge in to run a machine language program, but how 'actually' do I do it? I don't see any of the menu options under DOS that say "load machine language file: " or anything like that. Please respond back if you have any information, as I am trying to catalog all those Atari 800 (and everything) disks. Thank you very much, CORD COSLOR -- _________________________________________ | Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net | | Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | |-----------------------------------------| | PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421-0308 | | (402) 872- 3272 | |_________________________________________|

28 years, 3 months

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Atari 800/ 800XL DOS commands?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i thought the command was something like LIST D1:filespec but its been so long. my 1050 drive manual doesnt have much info on it. to get dos help, the manual says to press H at the dos menu. this will bring up a help menu. press h and return to bring up screens of info. In a message dated 98-01-25 21:07:05 EST, you write: << And, my primary question.... if I see a machine language file in the DOS directory such as ataridemo.obj or game237.com, how can I load these. I have interpreted from some other sources that I need to reboot without the basic cartridge in to run a machine language program, but how 'actually' do I do it? I don't see any of the menu options under DOS that say "load machine language file: " or anything like that. >>

28 years, 3 months

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SoCal PDP Items at TRW

by jpl15＠netcom.com

A reminder to any PDP/Plessey collectors among us that I will have several pieces of Plessey 'PDP-clone' items at the monthly TRW Amateur Radio Swap Meet this coming Sat the 31st. I have a Plessey MicroII complete except for software... it boots into ODT '*', also a twin 8" drive for it.. a Kennedy 5xxx drive with see-thru cover.. needs an interface, and various other items of interest to the classic mini collector. I am trying to thin my collection and keep to 'true-blue' DEC stuff. Bad pun. Sorry.... ANYWAY... e-mail for info/directions/chat/whatever: delivery is available for the right bribe. I am looking for: An interface/formatter to connect a Kennedy 9300 9trk to an 11/34a A/D and/or D/A cards for the MINC-11 70's vintage D/A boxes for the PDP-11 If you are local or visiting, TRW is a great place to score micros and the occasional mini. Last time, an IBM Sys/34 complete went for $20.. software and terminals and docs. The guy 'inherited' it and just wanted it off the back of his little truck. Had not another indivdual (who had been an IBM field tech) bought it... it would be here. In what's left of the garage space. This is just an example of what turns up there. TRW plant in El Segundo, 7:30am to 11:30am e-mail me for space numbers and more. Cheers to all John

28 years, 3 months

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not > the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks > and even an unused cleaning kit for it. They're SCSI. Old enough that I don't know whether they'll work with anything; I've hooked up a 44MB Bernoulli to a Linux box and it works (I just have to have it powered off when I turn the machine on because the SCSI ROM BIOS doesn't like it), but I've not fiddled with my 10MB units yet. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

28 years, 3 months

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Interact Model One

by s-ware＠nwu.edu

I recently acquired an Interact Model One computer. It's a relatively small unit with calculator-style keys and a built in cassette deck for data storage. Inside, there is an 8080 CPU and 16 Kbytes of RAM. The latest date codes on the components place its manufacture in early 1978. Video output is color NTSC, and there is a built-in RF modulator for driving a television. The rather large pixels yield a 16 x 12 text display. The ROM seems to contain only enough code to start the process of loading programs from tape. Fortunately, I picked up two different BASIC variants (EDU-BASIC, which is a usable "tiny" BASIC, and Level II Microsoft BASIC.), as well as about a dozen games on tape. The 20-year old cassette tapes I obtained with this machine are starting to deteriorate. Unfortunately, copies made using relatively high-quality audio cassette decks do not load. The head on the internal cassette deck is a standard 1/2 track mono head, so copying the tapes should not be difficult. Does anyone know if Interact produced their cassettes slightly off "standard" alignment as a form of copy protection? I'm currently planning to use one of the prerecorded Interact cassettes to set the azimuth adjustment on an old cassette deck, and then use this deck for both playback and recording to make working copies of the Interact tapes if this is the case. If not, I'll record copies on a properly aligned deck and then adjust the Interact to read the copies. -- Scott Ware NUMS-MPBC Macromolecular Crystallography Resource 303 East Chicago Avenue, Ward 8-264, Chicago, IL 60611 (312)503-0813 Finger ware(a)xtal.pharm.nwu.edu for PGP public key

28 years, 3 months

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DEC and Apricots

by adam＠merlin.net.au

>>2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable >>model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they >>were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good >>as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just >>commercial junk? How much would these machines go for? >The GUI was quite primitive compared to say a Mac of the same era. Mine are >all monochrome, don't know if there was a color version. Hadn't heard of the >voice recognition before. I've never used one myself, so I can't comment on the GUI. However the portable Apricot did indeed have voice recognition. It was a nice box - a very attractive V-shaped design (to put the monitor at a good angle), light keyboard, and voice recognition. It was also black, which is a fine thing. However, it was a membrane keyboard similar to the Sinclair QL, the voice recog was not very good, suffered from an awful microphone (apparantly you had to almost literally swallow it before it could pick up anything), and the neat V-shape meant that you could not adjust the monitor angle - which was not good at all, as it was one of those early LCD sorts where than angle had to be perfect. It did run MS-DOS, but wasn't 100% compat. My faviourite touch, though, was that if you included an external monitor, the LCD one could be used independently - much like on the Mac Powerbooks. If anyone knows where I can get one please let me know - it's near the top of my wish list. Adam.

28 years, 3 months

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 05:44 PM 1/25/98 EST, you wrote: >I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not >the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks >and even an unused cleaning kit for it. I don't have a controller either, probably why it's sitting up in the rafters of the garage. Think I should dig a big hole and bury it for future generations? -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

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Luggables

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

The luggables look cool on the outside, but they're pretty boring. The Compaq Portable seems to have a non-standard video card; it wouldn't run Works 2.0 correctly. I liked the one IBM Convertible I've seen, though they could have made it lighter. Unfortunately, it was trashed w/o my consultation [ 8^( ] and I never got a chance to try the software package that used to come with those things. If you ask me, the Mac Plus -like machines were/are better. At least they have a normal screen. I LOVE my Mac Portable, though it has a bit of an appetite for power. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I have the drivers for bernoullis (don't know what kind, but they came off an XT). manney(a)nwohio.com ---------- > From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > To: Manney > Subject: Re: Wanted Bernoulli drive > Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 5:05 PM > > I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not > the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks > and even an unused cleaning kit for it. > > david

28 years, 3 months

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DEC and Apricots

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

>Two questions: . >2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable >model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they >were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good >as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just >commercial junk? How much would these machines go for? The GUI was quite primitive compared to say a Mac of the same era. Mine are all monochrome, don't know if there was a color version. Hadn't heard of the voice recognition before. There is an Apricot wep page at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4462/apricot.html

28 years, 3 months

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I have two of these drives, the kind that uses the BIG disks, but i have not the controller for it. anyone have one for purchasing? I also have ~70 disks and even an unused cleaning kit for it. david

28 years, 3 months

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Wanted Bernoulli drive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 10:55 PM 1/25/98 +0100, you wrote: >I am looking for 20M removable bernoulli drives. I use them in my music >console rack. Since two weeks I have problem with it and I can't read >old data. I make few radical steps included filter exchange but without >succes. This units are dedicated to my system and I can replace it only >for the same 20M drives. Maybe somebody, somewhere has useless items in I've got a dual 10mb unit sitting in the garage, but that won't help you. Does anyone else want it? It's pretty hefty. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 3 months

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Are We Not Men? (& Women?) [OT^2] (Was Re: PDP-8/Es available [NOT!])

by weese＠mind.net

C'mon, Sam, don't hold it back -- tell us how you really feel! ---mikey > I don't care to hear about your drug addictions and your non-existent sex > life! It is of no interest to me whatsoever! Now, if you've got > something regarding old computers to talk about, let's hear it. > Otherwise, go join a support group. > > > BIG HINT: This was posted publicly in the hopes that others who might > consider writing about similar blather will get a clue. > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! >

28 years, 3 months

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Archives

by aaron＠prinsol.com

In the spirit of the last few posts: Hi, I'm new to the list. My collection so far includes several Sun 3 models, Atari 8-bit and ST stuff, a couple of old AT's and XT's, Apple II's and Macs, and a few CP/M machines. I am a former refugee from the mid-80's Atari user's groups, when the same people would meet *socially* twice a week - once for the Atari group and once for the skeptics/athiests group. Pleased to meet you all.... BTW, is there a publicly available archive for this list? Regards, Aaron Finney

28 years, 3 months

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

there's an interesting story concerning my portable pc. i bought my first at a thrift store for $5 with no keyboard so i just ran a cable extender out of the back. quite a while later, i bought a box of keyboards at a radio rally for $5 and whaddya know, but there's a portable pc keyboard in there, complete! i snapped it into my ppc, and now it's complete. now, if only the same thing would happen with an atari power supply... david

28 years, 3 months

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 7:32 PM Subject: IBM Portable Personal Computer > >I just picked-up an IBM Portable Personal Computer (Model 5155, I believe >its basically a portable XT with dual 5.25" drives and a bulit-in monitor, >512K). [Hey Roger, it's got a handle!] I was also able to find the >Operations Guide for it at another place. Very cool. > >QUESTION: Does anyone know how many of these were produced? > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > >

28 years, 3 months

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Mac Development

by rkneusel＠post.its.mcw.edu

There are several freeware Mac development systems out there you can try if you are interested. Personally, I often use MacMETH Modula-2. It runs under System 6 or System 7, haven't tried it with System 8. I should post my version of it on the web as it has a library of Mac Toolbox routines that for some reason were not included in the usual release. Nice documentation, too. I'd also look at Pocket Forth (http://keaggy.intmed.mcw.edu/pf.html) which is probably my current favorite programming language. It is very small but fast and can be used to build nice little standalone apps. If you are curious as to how I have a recent article in Forth Dimensions that can be used as a starting point, just let me know. Others to try would be Yerk and Mops, both similar, both object-oriented Forths. Yerk is more likely to work on old Macs. I use them when the project is too large for Pocket Forth's dictionary (a 16-bit Forth, the others are 32-bit and very powerful, and very well documented) Aren't most of the IM books, at least the old ones, available from an Apple web site somewhere? I thought they were. Also, you'd be surprised (I am) at the amount of software that still runs on a 12 year old Mac SE under System 6.0.8! Finally, someone mentioned Apple's MPW as the way to get a CLI on a Mac. Another possibility is the Alpha text editor which has a command line shell and uses Tcl as its programming language. I don't think it runs under System 6, though. If you want one, write your own! Give the app the type/creator of the Finder, rename it Finder and put it in the System Folder. When the Mac starts up it will be used in place of the Finder. - Ron Kneusel rkneusel(a)mcw.edu

28 years, 3 months

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DEC and Apricots

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Two questions: 1) What is a DECstation 312? Is it just a PC clone? What processor? 2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just commercial junk? How much would these machines go for? Ok, a third question: What is an IBM Eduquest? They are PC-like machines, but how different? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 3 months

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Okimate 10

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

The Okimate 10 uses a serial connection designed for computers without a parallel port, such as the Commodore. There are interface cables made to allow such a computer to communicate to a printer with a standard centronics connector. However, I have never seen a way to do it the other way around (but such a beast may exist, FAIK). A more likely scenario is to find an adaptor to allow the Okimate to interface with a PC's serial port. HTH, Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 12:33 AM Subject: Okimate 10 > >I would like to inquire about the printer's cable connection. Will it >accept a standard centronics cable? I would appreciate any information >that you can give me regarding this matter or any information that you may >have about the availability of an Okimate 10 module that would allow >connection with a centronics cable. > >--Thank You-- > >whunt >

28 years, 3 months

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

The 5140 is the IBM convertible computer released in 1986, two years after the 5155. A real nice machine, BTW. Closer to a true portable (weighs in at about 12 lgs.) than the previous luggables by IBM, Compaq, Kaypro, et. al. Also one of the first (not sure of what I speak here) with a LCD screen. For a picture and complete specs go to: http://www.can.ibm.com/helpware/5140.html Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 10:20 PM Subject: Re: IBM Portable Personal Computer > > > >>I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems >>to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a >>perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). >> > > >I know what a 5155 is, I have two of those, but what is a 5140? > >

28 years, 3 months

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Diagnostics for IBM PC AT ver 2.02

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I had bought an AT at an auction sale once. it was the old type 1 board, with 512k and double stacked ram chips. much to my surprise, it was upgraded to the familiar AMI bios, which of course gave it type 47 for user defined drives! should of kept it for that reason. i sold it before i started my collection in 1991 david In a message dated 98-01-24 21:57:20 EST, you write: << Correct. The PC/AT bios only stores a drive code (a number that points to a table in the ROM) in the CMOS RAM/RTC chip. There's no support for storing drive parameters there. That's why there's a kludge ROM in this machine with a patched drive table so I could add a larger IDE drive to it. >>

28 years, 3 months

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toner cleaning

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

When I usta repair Xerox machines, I used trichloroethane to get rid of it. Do NOT put trichlor on hot metal (such as a fuser), or else you'll end up with phosgene gas, which is -- shall we say -- slightlu harmful. (It was one of the war gasses used during WWI). I've heard that trichlor was outlawed, but I still see it around. My favorite all-around solvent is MEK, but I haven't tried it on toner. manney(a)nwohio.com

28 years, 3 months

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PDP-8/Es available

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

28 years, 3 months

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new additions: macs!

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 07:30 PM 1/24/98 -0700, you wrote: >Dave: > >Sun Remarketing in Smithfield Utah still has MacWrite and MacPaint for >the 512 and I think they have an agreement allowing them to produce >copies of MAC OS 3.2 on 400k floppies. They did for me, anyway. Just >copied it. Good on them. They have a page, I just dunno what it is. You can also find System .97 and some other older systems and software to run on them available on some page out there. Do a search on classic+mac+software and it should pop up towards the top. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 3 months

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diskdrive

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 03:21 PM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, James Bradford wrote: >Where do these damn posts keep coming from? And why do people think they >are sending e-mail to some dood when they post to classiccmp? I think that's how I got subscribed to this list. I came across an obscure reference to it on a web page and posted a message to it, pre-apologizing for posting, and asking how to subscribe. Someone immediately helped me out, and I'm now on the list. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 3 months

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Off topic Topicalities from the Deep!

by higginbo＠netpath.net

<twocents> <topic=off> Isn't complaining that something is off-topic be off-topic in itself? Wouldn't that complaining be better directed to the list admin or to the off-topician themselves? That's my insight on the matter, on-topic, off-topic, under-topic, et al. </topic> </twocents> At 09:47 AM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >sure it's all very interesting, our nerd lives, but I'm sure there's an >IRC chat room where you can openly discuss your life and views without >going severely off-topic. -John Higginbotham- -limbo.netpath.net-

28 years, 3 months

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i havent had any problems finding either a 5140 or 5155. i have two portable pcs and one convertible which i traded a nic for. i have seen 5155s at several hamfests, and even saw two at a hock shop for $150 each <!> I have a book that says the 5155 was "rare" but i disagree. i'd much rather love to find a complete 3270pc or a xt370 or even an at370. david In a message dated 98-01-24 20:06:45 EST, somebody got back to topic and wrote: << I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com >>

28 years, 3 months

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by dastar＠wco.com

I just picked-up an IBM Portable Personal Computer (Model 5155, I believe its basically a portable XT with dual 5.25" drives and a bulit-in monitor, 512K). [Hey Roger, it's got a handle!] I was also able to find the Operations Guide for it at another place. Very cool. QUESTION: Does anyone know how many of these were produced? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

28 years, 3 months

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Okimate 10

by whunt＠panacom.com

I would like to inquire about the printer's cable connection. Will it accept a standard centronics cable? I would appreciate any information that you can give me regarding this matter or any information that you may have about the availability of an Okimate 10 module that would allow connection with a centronics cable. --Thank You-- whunt

28 years, 3 months

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Subscribing to the list....

by aaron＠orr.wfi-inc.com

Hi, I saw the archives of the list and was wondering if it's open or not, and how to subscribe if so. Thanks, Aaron Finney

28 years, 3 months

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by mallison＠konnections.com

I didn't even know you could run a monitor on 12v. Learn somethin new... Is that the same on NeXT Monitors with a similar setup? Do you know? -Mike jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca wrote: > > > I paid the same for my Portable as my 3270pc (complete w/monitor) -- > > 15.00 > > > > Don't feel bad. I recently pulled down a good little Compaq Portable > > III lunchbox w/286 & 287 for 6 bucks... > > > > Utah sucks, except for its thrift store computer shopping.... > > > > I watched 2 rainbow 100s and a decmate II sit for months. I would have > > bought the decmate, but there seemed a small short in the power from the > > cpu to the monitor. As it is one of those integrated power cords, I > > figured I'd probably electrocute myself dickin with it. > > Via 15pin D-shell connectors? > The monitor gets the 12v juice from the pc as you suspected. That > will not bite you! :) > > Jason D. > > > > -Mike > > > > SUPRDAVE wrote: > > > > > > i havent had any problems finding either a 5140 or 5155. i have two portable > > > pcs and one convertible which i traded a nic for. i have seen 5155s at several > > > hamfests, and even saw two at a hock shop for $150 each <!> I have a book that > > > says the 5155 was "rare" but i disagree. i'd much rather love to find a > > > complete 3270pc or a xt370 or even an at370. > > > > > > david > > > > > > In a message dated 98-01-24 20:06:45 EST, somebody got back to topic and > > > wrote: > > > > > > << I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems > > > to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a > > > perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). > > > > > > Cliff Gregory > > > cgregory(a)lrbcg.com >> > > > > > email: jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca > Pero, Jason D.

28 years, 3 months

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new additions: macs!

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

a friend and i lurk a local forsale newsgroup, and we picked up a bunch of b+w mac goodies. we got: 3 page monitors, not tested. two use a db9 connector and the other uses a db15. two are radius, one is an off brand. i've no way of testing these. platinum plus with 4 meg works good. i noticed the system board on this mac has 4 sockets with metal locking tabs, instead of the plastic ones which break way too easy. this must be a later model board that my original platinum plus i have. mac 512k model. boots ok, but when accessing a disk with the noisy floppy drive, the screen narrows and gets a sad mac with f0064 or similar. sounds like a dodgy power supply for which i have a spare. mac se shell in excellent shape. i might swap my beat up se into this better shell. two mac 512k machines with something interesting called a hyperdrive. it's a daughterboard that runs a mfm drive crammed in behind the tube. one 512k is missing the drives, the other is complete. the drive is partitioned into 3 partitions. clever idea. also got some 400k floppy drives and an apple personal modem which plugs into the wall and is the platinum colour. model a9m0334. 300, 1200 or 2400 bps? david

28 years, 3 months

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IBM Portable Personal Computer

by jolminkh＠c2.telstra-mm.net.au

>I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there seems >to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a >perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far). > I know what a 5155 is, I have two of those, but what is a 5140?

28 years, 3 months

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Improve your socialization skills!

by zmerch＠northernway.net

;-) Clearing the snow from my glasses, I saw Wirehead Prime typed: > Max Eskin wrote: >> If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs (though >> I am firmly against drugs, tobacco, alcohol, and firearms) [snip] Uh... right. :-( How can you be so firmly against drugs, etc... and condone their use? That's highly illogical. [snip] > re: cool - vs. - uncool I agree totally. >As for my wife, she's beautiful and would never have married me if I'd >been into drugs. She married me because I'm sweet, stable and >loving...which is something you don't become by using drugs. Granted, >there are alot of "computer divorces" but I've cultivated a sense of >priorities that prevents that. Same with my wife, except: I *won* her heart in part due to my computers (which _really_ helps my argument for the full basement... ;-) and because I could provide a stable home life, etc. Let's take a vote: My dad is a trucker. He works very hard, was a good provider. Never home tho. Damn near got divorced. My dad's middle brother - trucker. Never home. Divorced. (Remarried the same woman, but...) My dad's youngest brother - an engineer on the Great Lakes ships. 1000 foot freighters don't dock on your driveway. Thankfully, no plans for splitsville yet, but he never sees his 1-1/2 year old girl, either. My brother - a weldor. (uh, yea - that spelling *is* correct. ;-) The "welder" is just the juicebox.) He works for a company that paints watertowers - very dangerous work. Also, how many watertowers do you have in your town that *need* repair? Marital Status: Divorced. All of these people said I was foolish for "playing with those stupid toys" instead of learning to "work like a man." Yes, I may spend more time in my basement than all of the above combined, but my family is just upstairs where I can see them -- or they can come down to see me. I come home every evening (except for overtime or poker night) and of all mentioned, I have the happiest home existance. Now how's the geek? >Anyway, I'm going to get back on topic now... As shall I - and the whole reason for this e-mail: A reminder that 18/19 April 1998 there will be a CoCoFest in Elgin Illinois (NW of Chicago). (I believe it's the 8th annual "Last" CoCoFest ;-) Everyone with (or who likes) a CoCo come on out of the basement, bring your CoCos with you, and head on over for a weekend of fresh air (unless it's a southeast wind... <g>) and socialization with both carbon and silicon-based life forms! Want more info? Email me at the address below. Yea, yea, yea... I'll shut up now! Keep workin' on those Facial Tans! (Who needs MPR-2, anyway? ;-) Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

28 years, 3 months

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Cleaning out my storage room...

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

> So, that's could settle your doubts. I didn't have any doubts -- I just wanted it. How much ya want for it? (if you'll send me yer e-mail addr, we can negotiate in private.) > What's up with your cataloging your pile of motherboards going so > far? Ick. No time manney(a)nwohio.com

28 years, 3 months

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Some classic finds!

by archive＠navix.net

Today a lady in SE Oklahoma called me, and says she just picked up quite a few things at a local vo-tech auction. I will pass this information onto you folks, as I'm waiting to find out some shipping charges from you. Her name is ShirleyShliger and her home phone # is 405-286- 2965. Her e-mail address is shirley(a)redriver.com. Included in the list of things she picked up are: 1) 9 TRS-80s - 3 or 4 each of Model 3 and Model 4 units. 2) 1 TRS-80 Model 1 keyboard only. 3) Some type of Commodore suitcase portable???? 4) IBM DisplayWriter's with 8 inch drives. 5) IBM PC, Jr (2) with monitor and keyboard 9) Radio Shack DMP 100-110 printers 10) Several IBM .... printers. 11) Bell & Howell Apple. Black case...! 12) Sounds like much more. Let's go rescue this stuff. Good luck, CORD COSLOR Archive Software -- _________________________________________ | Cord G. Coslor : archive(a)navix.net | | Deanna S. Wynn : deannasue(a)navix.net | |-----------------------------------------| | PO Box 308 - Peru, NE - 68421-0308 | | (402) 872- 3272 | |_________________________________________|

28 years, 3 months

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Need Keyboard for DEC VT-220

by manney＠nwohio.nwohio.com

I think I have a couple if you still need 'em. manney(a)nwohio.com > Also got a VT220 without a keyboard. Does anyone have a working keyboard > they're willing to get rid of for the cost of shipping?

28 years, 3 months

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diskdrive

by sup8pdct＠mail.cth.com.au

Hi. Was just woundering if you still have the indusgt for sale. It was a little while ago.

28 years, 3 months

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Mac development

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

Try this address at Apple to look up info: http://til.info.apple.com/ -- Kirk

28 years, 3 months

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Diagnostics for IBM PC AT ver 2.02

by Ad＠elan.nl

I'm looking for a disk called "Diagnostics for IBM PC AT ver 2.02". To setup my old 286 with a Seagate type 42 HD

28 years, 3 months

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Mac development

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

>This, I'm stumped by. Is it supposed to be BinHex? Sorry about that. For some reason this was MIME'd. Try this address at Apple to look up info: http://til.info.apple.com/ -- Kirk

28 years, 3 months

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PDP-8/Es available

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

>If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs (though >I am firmly against drugs, tobacco, alcohol, and firearms) than not >do drugs and sit for years in the basement without seeing the light >of day. It seems to me that since we all die anyway, might as well >enjoy. I am not brave enough to take that approach, so I sit at my >computer all day (when I am not at school-I am in 9th grade). Drugs suck... They are screaming their heads off trying to legalize marijuana when they should be getting rid of tobacco... My dad ended up in the hospital getting a quadruple bypass surgery, the only reason it wasn't worse than that is that he had stopped smoking about a year before that when he had a heart attack. Although eating fast food most of the time probably didn't help... I LIKE sitting in a basement all day... I wake up around noon, go check my email, grab something to eat, go try to figure out where I put that repair manual for whichever computer is broken today, eat a snack, try to find parts to repair the broken computer, eat lunch, try to fix the computer and break it again, surf the web for a couple of hours trying to find someting about my broken computer, eat dinner, go to sleep at 3am... OK, so I'm not quite THAT far gone, but you get the idea. I also volunteer at the local science museum once a week in the computer lab(30-odd computers and a sleeping System/34 in the corner), and I might even start working on the submarine parked outside... So I'm not in the basement all day. In the summer I ride around the neighborhood on my bike for a while, although it gets pretty boring. I think it's better to spend the summer in a nice cool basement and only go outside in the morning when it's cooler, or maybe just in the spring and fall. And then spend half the winter inside sitting in front of a nice big fire. And the only reason I get away with this isthat I'm home schooled... Been doing that for a while, but the first year was the worst. The entire year my mom sat there torturing me with multiplication tables... I hated it, but it worked. Right now I'm refusing to go near anything that hasto do with algebra(keep getting stuck on a few things), but all the stuff that interests me(quantum whatchamacallits, trig, and all that other fancy stuff) you need to get past algebra first... And that's where I've been stuck for the past two or three years. I HATE ALGEBRA!!! And learning morse code so I can get a ham radio license is the perfect excuse to stay away from it... :-) Well, I can't stay in the basement much longer, I need to go get supplies to keep my computers running! Well, I guess I'd better go get a job so I can buy the stuff before my computers completely fall apart. Anyone sick of reading my email yet? I am... I don't think we could get much more off topic than this. -JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/

28 years, 3 months

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PDP-8/Es available

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-01-24 13:41:02 EST, somebody rambled on and on about: << > If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs... >> ::major snippage!:: hmm, i thought we discussed collecting old computers.... can we get back on the PROPER topic?

28 years, 3 months

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CLASSICCMP digest 304

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

From: Cord Coslor <archive(a)navix.net> To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Some classic finds! Message-ID: <34C915B4.68900862(a)navix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just tried her e-mail address, and it doesn't seem to be correct. That is what she told me, though. Anyway, the phone # is correct. I will try to post the correct e-mail address for her soon!. CORD Cord Coslor wrote: > Today a lady in SE Oklahoma called me, and says she just picked up quite > a few things at a local vo-tech auction. [snip] > 3) Some type of Commodore suitcase portable???? That is a Commodore SX 64, a portable (read 'luggable') 64 with built-in 5" color monitor and 1541 disk drive. Quite a handy unit.... :) 001010010010001010100101010100100100100101010101011100101001 From: "Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Mac development > I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still > like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get > Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop? > I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an > IDE? Well there ia also a great BASIC for the Mac, Future BASIC, by Staz Software, It can run under system 6 with 1 meg of RAM and has the runtime modules to make such things as applications, cdevs, inits, etc. Supports probably all the system functions in Inside Macintosh... (lists most of em too). Good documentation (large manuals), help on the internet, and can make good commercial quality stuff... It is still hell though, alot of memory management, but it is for a good reason. New, it is about $200.00, but worth it if you want to do some serious programming. Back then (SE times) it was probably Think C, which I belive is now owned by Symantec.. Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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PDP-8/Es available

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:45 AM 1/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >> Ahh, that sucks! My parents have control of my money again, so I'd never get away with spending >> $50 on old computers... (They're trying to discourage me from playing with >> computers, and being about as subtle as a jackhammer...) > >I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 now >but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to get me >to stop playing with computers because my dad thought they were a FAD >(hahahahahahahahahahaa) and my mom thought it was unhealthy for me to >hide in the basement all the time like some brain-damaged monster. My mom once told me that computers were a tool of the devil. >Tell your parents that today I have a college degree, have been out on my >own working productively since I was 20 (with VERY little external >support), earn twice the median income in my state, started a successful I dropped out of college -- I was too busy working to finish. (Actually, I'm only 1 beginning Cobol class away from a 2-year degree.) I've been an independant consultant for not quite 8 years; I went indy when I was 24. About 5 years ago, I bought my parents house (long story; they'd been "renting" for 20-odd years) so they wouldn't lose it. My mom passed away 2 years ago (last Saturday 8^( ) and I moved back home shortly thereafter to care for my dad. I spent about 3 years driving them to work and home when my dad was no longer able to take pubtrans; I was able to do that because my clients didn't mind when I worked, so long as I worked for them. Now I'm working >from home 3 days a week so I can be with my dad more. Meanwhile, my older brother (who my folks put through UC Berkeley (BS - Economic Geography) and Golden Gate University (MBA)) once shouted in the middle of a crowded plaza that he wanted nothing to do with my father (and didn't want him attending his concert) because he *smelled bad*. With my dad standing right there. My younger brother (who my folks put through SF State (BA - Speech Communications)) can't be bothered to visit or call his dad -- he's too busy hanging out with friends and going to church. Last time he visited, he stole my CB. The elder of my two sisters, (UC Berkeley, Math, flunked out) is happy being a secretary and, again, isn't interested enough to call or visit. (My younger sister, (Johnson & Wales, Equine Business), lives at home too, and helps out an amazing amount. She's single, btw.) So, the moral is, your parents should either encourage you to be a computer nerd, or a horse nut. >My parents realize their mistake now...my father tearfully gave me his >gold retirement watch, which I accepted reluctantly, to show how proud >he is of me. My parents are happy with me and I'm happy with myself all >thanks to my tinkering all those years in the basement. My mom, too, came to realize that me and my computers were a good thing (in spite of the fact that not all those "computer club meetings" involved more than one person of each sex...). Let me just add that I don't hire "micro-weenies". That is, if a person doesn't understand that Pentium II *isn't* called that because the Pentium was the first computer, I'm not interested in working with them. There are tons of jobs out there right now for CoBOL programmers (btw, if you want a job as a CoBOL programmer, you better darn well know who Grace Hopper was!). And solid programming, database, and operations skills will *never* go out of style, and they're a lot easier to pick up in the older/bigger computer world. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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PDP8/E

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

My point was that people are not around to work at computers, which is a pretty useless activity in the scheme of things. What is really disturbing to me is that there are people, some my age, who would turn down a chance to interact with a person, versus a computer. AND they use Windows 95 or MacOS! The internet may become a problem psychologically soon. But this is all way off subject, so I have two questions: a)What is a DECstation 312? Is it just a clone? b)I heard that there was an 8088-based machine called an apricot, that had a GUI, voice recognition,etc.(according to the Machine Room). Is it what I think it is, or was it a piece of junk? Either way, how much would the portable go for? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 3 months

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Mac development

by bwit＠pobox.com

Max, I live near a consignment hardware/software store that usually has all of the things you're looking for at very reasonable prices. I've seen the Inside Mac series there for $15-$25. On occasion they have the Apple C development environment but they always have older copies of Think C (V4.0 thru V6.0) for about $15. They are willing to accept credit card phone orders and will ship to you. You can view their web site at: http://www.intex.net/software-etc/ If you are looking for something you don't see listed on the web site I'd suggest you give them a call as the web site only seems to list a small portion of what they have. Regards, Bob ---------- From: Max Eskin[SMTP:maxeskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 6:43 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Mac development I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop? I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an IDE? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 3 months

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PDP-8/Es available

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 11:07 PM 1/21/98 -0800, you wrote: >>I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 now >>but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to get me >Well, I AM 17, and I'm up to 30 computers or so... Let me see if I can >remember them all, my web site is a partial listing. One other item that was pointed out to me in the collectibles forum of Compuserve -- teenagers who collect things rarely get into trouble. You don't see them spending money on drugs or liquor or whathaveyou, and they don't often end up in jail. (Yes, I'm an exception, but I wasn't actively collecting anything in high school.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Mac development

by TOwad＠aol.com

>I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still >like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get >Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop? >I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an >IDE? My favorite is the now discontinued Think Pascal. You should be able to find it used for under $100. Apple used to sell a compilation of tools called 'Macintosh Programmer's Workshop', but from what i understand it was never that impressive. If you're just want to play around Chipmunk BASIC can be had as freeware. I saw the complete set of Inside Macintosh on CD-ROM at Border's Bookstore for $99. I recall hearing you can download individual chapters from the books via Apple's web site, but I can't confirm that. Sincerely, Tom Owad

28 years, 3 months

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Mac development

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop? I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an IDE? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 3 months

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Mac development

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

>I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still >like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get >Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop? >I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an >IDE? As far as I know, Inside Macintosh just keeps expanding, adding new books as new stuff comes along. For a Mac SE, just don't get the later books. Check around at used book stores. IM is also available on CD-ROM. As for what to use, try to dig up old software, there's Lightspeed Pascal(aka THINK Pascal), Microsoft Basic, I think Microsoft also had something for C on the older Macs. If you just want to go D/L something of the net, there are a lot of shareware/freeware programs out there that run on older Macs. You just have to look a little harder... As for Apple, I know they had something, I just don't remember what it was. -JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/

28 years, 3 months

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PDP-8/Es available

by william＠ans.net

Many of you may remember a small haul of Digital PDP-8/e minicomputers that Jim Willing had sniffed out. Well, things have changed a bit... It turns out there are _five_ systems in six racks (one processor may have missing parts), with all sorts of extra stuff (EAE, RX02s, expansion boxes, boatloads of core, etc.). Jim is getting one system, and I am getting another, still another is probably spoken for, but rest are up for grabs. The price? $200 gets you as much of a system as you want - CPU only, or an entire rack. In addition, Jim and I will need some help moving the stuff (located in Charleston, West Virginia), mostly in the money department. I may need to drive down to get the stuff in a rental truck (we take it all, or we take none, thus we will need a truck) next week, or, as a back up plan, Jim will look into shipping the stuff with a freight company. To be fair, I must warn anyone that their share of initial shipping (getting them to one of my storage locations) may be over $50. I can store the stuff, either in Easton, PA (#2 storage locker), Providence, RI (RCS/RI), or perhaps the new house just above New York City. I will be packing and shipping Jim's stuff (he does not need a rack, he says), and could probably do the same for any other parties. PDP-8/e CPUs weigh about 90 pounds. I have lots of experience packing 90 pound boxes for cross country trips (90 pound HFDF receivers, not one even scratched). I would need shipping money and perhaps something for my efforts, but not much. In other words, I can make deracked PDP-8/es available to just about anyone in the U.S.. Anyway, do we have any interested parties? Remember, PDP-8s are not that common anymore, especially ones with EAE (extended arithmetic element)! Also, would anyone want to put in some time actually helping me unload (they will help load)? A full system might weigh 500 pounds, and I really do not look forward to unloading them by myself! Please let me know as soon as possible, as the clock is ticking. William Donzelli william(a)ans.net

28 years, 3 months

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toner cleaning

by engine＠chac.org

>What's the best way to clean out toner fluid from laser printers(or in my >case a photcopier)? There's toner all over the inside, and it needs a lot >of cleaning, but I don't want to destroy it trying to clean everything. You must be very careful! The easiest way to do this is with a soft brush and a vacuum cleaner, but because some varieties of toner are explosive, you have to use a vacuum cleaner with a sparkless motor. Special ones are made and sold for this purpose but they ain't cheap -- I don't know if you could rent one. Years ago at my last office job, a reload toner cart came apart and left toner all over the inside of a Laserjet IID. We wanted to call HP service but the skinflint boss insisted we clean it up ourselves. The receptionist went at it with a garden-variety hand vac which shot a six-inch flame out the exhaust, ruined the vac motor and scorched the wall. I didn't see the flame but I sure saw the burn on the wall. /kc

28 years, 3 months

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RL02s in dumpster

by jfoust＠threedee.com

The other day I saw two RL02s in a dumpster outside the UW-Madison surplus center. I didn't have anything to connect them to, and they were a bit dinged. What sort of platter is inside them? Should I go disassemble them to get the big platters to hang on the wall? - John

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PDP-11 available in New Zealand

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Subject: DEC PDP 11 Computer From: Tim Armstrong <Tim.Armstrong(a)vuw.ac.nz> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:08:37 +1300 Message-ID: <34C809B5.11DF40B(a)vuw.ac.nz> Organization: Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand Newsgroups: nz.comp We are closing down a system which used a DEC PDP11. As parts for these rather old machines are getting a bit hard to get would anyone out there be interested in this piece of hardware. -- Tim Armstrong, Maintenance Manager Victoria University of Wellington PO Box 600, Wellington, New Zealand phone (04) 495 5073, Fax (04) 495 5242 <http://www.vuw.ac.nz>

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HP 2250

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > Got this from a friend of mine: > > I've never heard of an HP2250 either, but according to the 1983 HP > catalog, the HP2250A is a "Measurement and Control Processor." It's > designed to work with the HP1000 and HP9800 computers via an HP-IB [snip] 1983 is probably about right -- it's not in the 1980 or 1981 Measurement/Computation catalogs. Instead there is something called a 2240A that seems to be about the same idea. Hmm. I guess I don't quite understand how this is substantially different from a 6940B or 6942A Multiprogrammer, but then I haven't worked with any of them. Well, the 694xs get a few more pages in the catalogs, look like they might have a wider range of I/O cards, and I gather the 6940B may be what you needed to resort to for faster-than-HP-IB communications with the controlling host processor (it can use a 16-bit parallel interface). Joe, did you tell me (in private mail) that this thing was mounted in a rack? There's a picture in the 1981 catalog of something called a System 9030 that looks like a desk-height rack with woodgrain top and wheels, and the accompanying paragraph of text: "The HP 2240 can be installed in a roll-around cabinet with plug connectors for portable use. Adding a controller (HP 9825, 9835, or 9845) and available exercising software, the preconfigured combination is called the HP System 9030. Contact your local HP office for information about specific ordering constraints." The picture has what I'd guess to be a 9835A sitting on the woodgrain top, presumably looking like the expected controller. If the 2250A is anything like the 2240A, it's a smallish 19" rack-mountable box, maybe 12" tall. Meaning that about half the System 9030 rack is taken up with something else, maybe the "plug connectors" mentioned above? -Frank McConnell

28 years, 3 months

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Kaypro Question

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

Could someone (briefly) describe the differences between a Kaypro II and a Kayro 2 (2X ?) Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com

28 years, 3 months

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I don't think these are RX02s...

by rector＠christcom.net

> WPS/78 V3.4 (No communications) > WPS/78 V3.1F > WPS-v3 WPS SYSTEM< > > Anyone know what these are? > ------- > - don ------------- Back in college, they used to teach word processing on our VAX 11/750. The word processor they used was called WPS - could this be a variant of that?

28 years, 3 months

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MFM drives

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

as I was going through my parts today, i decided to test some 5 old mfm controller cards I was given by someone at work. it turns out that 5 mfm hard drives i have have gone "bad" again (they worked previously), and all 5 controller cards have failed. it seems the only drive combination i have that works is a kalok drive, and a full size adaptec controller card that came in the 286 im testing all these in. over the past year, i betcha i've bought and thrown away almost 40 bad controller cards! the drives i know worked before, so i can just call debug and low level them again. ive already tried cabling combinations, jumper and bios settings, swapping known good parts out, and so forth. has anyone else had a fantastic failure rate with mfm controller cards? seems like i have better luck with reviving hard drives. incidentally, would anyone know what the proper jumper settings would be for an 8bit mfm controller card? one is a WD1002-27X and the other is a WD1002A-WX1. they are similar in appearance, but minor changes in chip layout and jumper settings. both these cards won't init a good hard drive. david

28 years, 3 months

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Heads Up! TWO VAXen need rescue!

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Found on Usenet. Please direct responses to the original author. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Path: Supernews70!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.he.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.122.253.92!newsfeed.nyu.edu!rockyd!notes From: Stuart Cohnen <cohnen(a)rockvax.rockefeller.edu> Subject: VAX 4000-200 for Sale, Cheap! X-Nntp-Posting-Host: shalom.rockefeller.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <34C779A4.BB5D2884(a)rockvax.rockefeller.edu> Sender: notes(a)rockyd.rockefeller.edu (News Administrator) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Rockefeller University Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:53:56 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) Lines: 22 Xref: Supernews70 comp.os.vms:183086 We have retired a VAX 4000-200 with 64 Megs and the following DSSI disks RF74 (3.5G), RF31 (350M), RF73 (2G) and 2- RF72 (2G). In addition, we have a SCSI controller and a Exabyte 8000 with 10 tape stacker. Yes and more, a 1600bpi 2 Kennedy Tape Drive (one is a spare, not on-line). Included is DECNET and VMS licenses. This machine has been under DEC maintanence. Make me an offer -- you pay shipping or pick it up here in New York City. Also, anyone want to take away an 11/750? I even have the Field Service schematics! Contact me: Stuart Cohnen The Rockefeller University cohnen(a)mail.rockefeller.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin2 {at} wiz<ards> d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

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HP 2250

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Got this from a friend of mine: I've never heard of an HP2250 either, but according to the 1983 HP catalog, the HP2250A is a "Measurement and Control Processor." It's designed to work with the HP1000 and HP9800 computers via an HP-IB interface, and accommodates a series of plug-in cards for measurement functions (like multiplexers, A/D converters, counters, relay cards, etc.). It has "a built-in LSI microprocessor and MCL/50 firmware, a software command set comprised of over 100 applications oriented mnemonic commands that can be used in many combinations to optimize measurement and control operations." Apparently, you program it using the host computer, then set it loose on its own to gather data and control devices. Interesting... Joe

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DEC tapes & 24,000 lbs of old computers

by engine＠chac.org

>>(OK, maybe not the HP, because I do not know what a 2250 is - it might >>be really special). > > It just might be. Even Frank doesn't know what it is! It's a piece of test gear that hooks to an HP 1000. Early eighties. /kc

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DEC tapes & 24,000 lbs of old computers

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 05:25 PM 1/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >> No PCs in this lot, it's all mainframe >> computer stuff. > >Well, minis...anyway, the only things really special here are the S/32 (if >it is an IBM) I didn't see a name only the model number that I gave you "system 32 /2750". I don't think there could have been too many companies that used that model number. and the Honeywell. The other things really are very common >(OK, maybe not the HP, because I do not know what a 2250 is - it might >be really special). It just might be. Even Frank doesn't know what it is! > >William Donzelli >william(a)ans.net > Joe >

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DEC tapes

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi, I found some more DEC stuff. A bunch of tapes this time. Can anyone tell me what these are for and if they're usefull as they are or should I just use them as scratch tapes for another system. These are original DEC tapes with DEC software. HSC SOFTWARE V3.9 SYS TU58 HSC SOFTWARE V3.9A UTL TU58 HSC SOFTWARE V4.0 UTL TU58 HSC SOFTWARE V4.0 SYS TU58 HSC SOFTWARE V4.1 UTL TU58 HSC SOFTWARE V4.1 SYS TU58 MATNET TIU May 9,1983 MATNET SIMP VER 6.2:6 APRIL 8, 1983 BLANK TU58 (Is this just a blank tape?) Here's a strange one. It appears to be a diagnostics tape but I don't know what system it's for. Can anyone identify it? one tape marked: “C/30 imp+diag 64K” PN 4604263G01 10 64IMP 100 CCT4 300 MEMTEST 400 NIMPTS 500 NIMP4H 600 MTI-UTEST 610 MTI-MTEST 620 MTI-HTEST Thanks, Joe

28 years, 3 months

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toner cleaning

by rexstout＠ptld.uswest.net

What's the best way to clean out toner fluid from laser printers(or in my case a photcopier)? There's toner all over the inside, and it needs a lot of cleaning, but I don't want to destroy it trying to clean everything. TIA -JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/

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DEC tapes & 24,000 lbs of old computers

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

David, The condition covers the whole range. Some of it is on pallets and covered with plastic and card board and look fine. Other items look like they stuck a forklift fork into them. I recall the Honeywell is on top of some HP 7925 disk drives and looks fine, I had to climb to get to it. I only saw one Honeywell but there's 2-3-4 of most of the others. Of course everything is piled up so there's no telling what's underneath. Some of the cabinets or the other stuff are dented but they look like there was no damage done. It's sitting outside now but it doesn't look like it's been there long. (No rust). I expect that half of it is still functional and the other half could be used for parts. This stuff is INCREDIBLE! It's a stack about 7 to 8 foot wide and at least forty feet long! Some of it is piled 7 foot high! I didn't have anything to write with when I looked at it, so these are only the items that I remember, there's LOTS more. I'd only interested in the smaller HP stuff. There are a bunch of HP 7888 system expanders, 98985 and 9885 disks drive and various interfaces. BTW what is the HP 2250? I don't think I've ever heard of it. Joe At 02:50 PM 1/22/98 +0000, you wrote: >Joe, > >Hmm, this might be worth renting a truck and driving down there. Any >more info on the condition of any of this? I'd be interested in VAX, >DEC or HP equipment but don't have time/money/space for it if the >equipment has been "chopped up" beyond repair. It would be neat to >have a Honeywell Level 6 (if it is what I remember) but REALLY don't >have the space for one. Let me know if you have any more details on >any of this stuff as it would sway me one way or the other. > >Thanks. > >David > > On 22 Jan 98 at 15:28, Joe wrote: >> BTW I found a HUGE pile of computer stuff today at a NASA >> auction. >> >>>>> 24,000 pounds <<<<<< of old computers including HP 2250, >> somebodies system 32/2750, Vax 631, DEC RA 60(s), PDP 11/84, VAX >> 6310, Honeywell Level 6 and lots more! No PCs in this lot, it's all >> mainframe computer stuff. Most of it is in dumpsters and some of it >> looks fine, other parts looks like they were opened with an axe! >> If anyone knows what any of this stuff is or if it's worth anything >> let me know. If you're interested in it send me an E-mail. I have >> a couple of days to send in a bid. *****IF**** enough people are >> interested in it and are willing to actually spent some money for it >> (and not expect me to buy it and give it to them) then I will put in >> a bid for it. The stuff is located near Kennedy space center in >> Florida and you'll have to make arrangements to get the stuff before >> Feb. 12. I **DO NOT** have the man power, time, vehicles or storage >> to move or keep it. This stuff is listed as scrap so it will be >> CHEAP!! probably around 12 cents per pound. >> >> Joe >> >> >----- >David Williams - Computer Packrat >dlw(a)neosoft.com >http://www.neosoft.com/~dlw >

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Macs Pluses

by TOwad＠aol.com

Hi Joe, Haven't heard from you. Did you ever find any Macs other than Pluses? Were you able to get system software? LMK. Sincerely, Tom

28 years, 3 months

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I don't think these are RX02s...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

These are some 8" disks which I was told are RX02 disks, but they aren't. I can't read them. And some of the labels sound funny... Z80 ASSEMBLER MANUAL Z80 INTERPRETER MANUAL PART 1 OF CDC PASCAL MANUAL PART 2 OF CDC PASCAL MANUAL WPS/78 V3.4 (No communications) WPS/78 V3.1F One labled "SA100 DISKETTE" WPS-v3 WPS SYSTEM< Anyone know what these are? -------

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Does anyone else here have a Fuzzball running?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I can't make Fuzzball start. It dies. You just load it like a normal RT-11 executable, right? I made a bos1.sav for my configuration, and when I start it, it halts at 2434. Is that a special address or something? I'm trying to load it on the 23+ at school. I have an 11/23+, MSCP, RX02s, 2Megabytes of RAM, and a DLV-11J. -------

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LNW Research computer

by weese＠mind.net

Gary: You have posted to a discussion group. Your friend meant to give you my personal e-mail address (weese(a)mind.net), I think. (I believe you are writing to me, as I haven't seen LNW stuff mentioned in the last month by anybody else on this group.) I'll write this both to the group, to clarify, & to you personally. ---mikey ---------- > From: Gary <glm(a)afweb.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: LNW Research computer > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 5:45 PM > > A friend gave me your e-mail address. If you are the person that had the > LNW computer parts and manuals for sale, please send e-mail to > glm(a)afweb.com. I have one and the expansion board is defective. I need > schematics to fix it. Thanks a bunch if you can help. > > Gary >

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Mac IIci, was [Re: The IBM PS/2 model 70 again! -E61]

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 08:20 PM 1/7/98 +0000, you wrote: >I agree. I just finished looking at the info as provided by apple's >site. So I will leave this IIcx alone. I thought of putting linux >on that when linux version get to full version release for that 68k >type. A IIcx for C$25 isn't that bad, assuming it has a decent size hard drive (80mb+) and some ram (4mb+). If it comes with a keyboard and mouse as well, and/or video card, you're doing pretty good. I would definitely pick one up at that price for Rachel's classroom. (The IIci is a little nicer, but a IIcx is very acceptable.) Note, if anyone (especially in the SF bay area) comes across mac stuff cheap that they're not interested in (especially monitors!) I'm always looking to get more computers into her classroom. (In case I haven't mentioned her before, my girlfriend (Rachel) is a 1st grade teacher in Daly City. We've put 10 or 11 macs in her school (8 in her class) so far, mostly based on my scrounging (or buying) parts and refurbing them.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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How does microcode work??

by rcini＠email.msn.com

I know that this is a little off-topic, but here it goes. I'm reading the book "The Soul of a New Machine", a book about the development of DG's Eclipse minicomputers (great book, BTW). In there, they talk about a "microcoder," one who is responsible for developing the microcode for the processor. Inutitively I know what microcode is. I think of it as hard-coded ROM for the instruction fetch unit of the microprocessor. Since I haven't been formally schooled in computer science or microprocessor design, I'd like to understand (in 500 words or less <g>) how microcode works, i.e., how is it implemented and how does the microprocessor access it. I know that this is probably a topic that is worthy of volumes of paper, but the Reader's Digest version will do! Thanks. Rich Cini/WUGNET Charter ClubWin! Member MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking

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Kaypro's Available

by SjsPeak＠aol.com

I'm looking for a Kaypro II. Can you help?

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LNW Research computer

by glm＠afweb.com

A friend gave me your e-mail address. If you are the person that had the LNW computer parts and manuals for sale, please send e-mail to glm(a)afweb.com. I have one and the expansion board is defective. I need schematics to fix it. Thanks a bunch if you can help. Gary

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I now have a PDP-11/40 printset.

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

This should make for some interesting reading... I just says "PDP-11/40 system engineering drawings". The dates on the schematics inside say 09/22/72. Oh! This also includes the terminal? I guess this IS the "system" schematic... I was told that when you bought a PDP-10 that DEC included the operator's chair... and that the schematics for it came in the printset. I wonder what the part number would be for a PDP-10 console chair... Is this bull? Did they REALLY include the chair? -------

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PDP-8/Es available-another story.

by thedm＠sunflower.com

I'm 30 now, started playing with a Bell+howell apple][ in junior high school. Bought my first computer, a Timex Sinclair 1500 in 82, my freshman year in H.S. Everyone thought I was a big weenie and I was never socially accepted. in 85 I finally got an XT, I wanted an Apple][ but they were going by the wayside so I decided to get the XT scrictly based on software availability. I was a manager at Pizza Hut, things were looking grim for my future, I couldn't afford to go to college and was married. Then I got sick of all this and joined the Coast Guard, went to MST School in Virginia for the Coast Guard, 30% of MST's are system managers of some sort. I thought I might get lucky, I did, I scored a 99% on the computer section of the course and was made System Administrator of the 4th floor of Coast Guard Headquarters in Washington DC. I then got out of after my tour, I now collect older systems as a hobby, im way past 40 systems now, I have no idea how many I have, my new wife , hehe, another long story, tolerates it, and Im a network engineer for the Dept of Labor. I owe all this to Sir Clive Sinclair and my mom for encouraging my interest. I make about 43k a year, own my own home, not too bad for 30 and not a day in college. Good luck, and don't give up. Bill Girnius ---------- > From: Wirehead Prime <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: PDP-8/Es available > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:45 AM > > > > > Ahh, that sucks! My parents have control of my money again, so I'd never get away with spending > > $50 on old computers... (They're trying to discourage me from playing with > > computers, and being about as subtle as a jackhammer...) > > I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 now > but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to get me > to stop playing with computers because my dad thought they were a FAD > (hahahahahahahahahahaa) and my mom thought it was unhealthy for me to > hide in the basement all the time like some brain-damaged monster. > > Tell your parents that today I have a college degree, have been out on my > own working productively since I was 20 (with VERY little external > support), earn twice the median income in my state, started a successful > business, own my own home, am married and honoring my parents by living > an upstanding and productive life. Playing with computers all those > years created that for me. And playing with OLD computers made me > self-reliant enough that in the last 9 years I've been unemployed a total > of about a week. > > My parents realize their mistake now...my father tearfully gave me his > gold retirement watch, which I accepted reluctantly, to show how proud > he is of me. My parents are happy with me and I'm happy with myself all > thanks to my tinkering all those years in the basement. > > > it'd be meeting the trashcan in a hurry. But if I tell them I got it free, > > they may not care. My parents (Esp. my stepdad) have a thing for tossing > > whatever I have that they don't like [Like my copy of Sailor Moon manga #13]) > > My brother tossed out a perfectly good 11/34a, some RL02s, a DecWriter > and a Franklin Ace 1200 from my parents' basement because he wanted a > weight room and my stuff was in the way. Pretty self-righteous of him > considering *I'M* not the one who's 42 and still living WITH mom and dad! > > BUT I'M NOT BITTER!!! =-D > > (Isn't it odd that if you get it free, they'll let you keep but if you > spent money on it they want to throw it away?) > > When I was 18 I waited until my folks were gone to move an 11/23 and two > RL02s downstairs to my bedroom. I made sure it was all racked up before > they got home...so it'd look too big and heavy for them to carry outside. > =-) I LOVED that machine! I put it behind the door sort of...so that > you could only open the door about 18"...kept my mom out of my room. =) > > Anthony Clifton - Wirehead

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