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by rcini＠email.msn.com

Sam: > 1 SB180 with SCSI adaptor and 20meg HD(also used frequently). I think that that is Steve Ciarcia's 64180-based SBC, which ran various forms of CP/M. It was featured in the Sept and Oct 1985 issues of Byte (which I just happen to have; I can fax you the article if you want). I'd love to get one of those...I even saw a message once in comp.os.cpm that one of the co-authors was trying to work a deal with Steve to unearth an old stock of those and offer them for sale. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use) ClubWin! Charter Member (6) MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking ============================================ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:29:47 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Demography? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980301192615.1620D-100000@shell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Allison J Parent wrote: > Far as I can tell one of the few active women in legacy(old machines are > us) computing. For me thse old system were the computer I couldn't afford > when I was playing with them new. Well, unless someone else pops up, you're probably the ONLY woman into this sort of thing. You're like the Grace Hopper of vintage computer enthusiasts :) > 1 SB180 with SCSI adaptor and 20meg HD(also used frequently) BTW, what's this? Someone is going to sell me one and all I know is that it runs CP/M. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

whatever happened to going private with stuff like this?! this is more off topic than anything else. In a message dated 98-03-02 02:46:52 EST, somebody started flaming: << Enrico: I have many Model 1 computers... as a matter of fact, I sent one to you! So don't think you just made a great 'caught-me' remark. I do have many. I don't, however, have a damn 4k Model 1 without the keypad on the right. That is what you're looking for, isn't it? Oh, I suppose you changed your mind -- again!?! Gees, Enrico, you never stop do you? I am being completely honest with you, what is it that you think I am hiding anyway? Black and white: I have model 1 computers, many of them. I have 0 Model 1 computers that you are looking for!! Figure it out!! Not Black and white: Why you are a complete idiot!?! Leave me alone until I e-mail you and tell you I have a Model 1 computer, circa 1978, with 4k of memory, and no keypad, ok? Damn, Enrico, I was even doing you a favor and looking for one for you.... You really know how to spoil someone's day, CORD >>

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I did actually check this. It says 208. This is not awfully informative, AFAIK, because the voltage fluctuates +/- 5 or so anyway >Open the side opposite the CE panel, and look down by the 4 twinax connectors. >There shoud be a label saying what yours is wired for - Mine wants 204V AC. >------- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Today was my first major interaction with the system/34, unfortunately on 1/2 hour long. Next monday, I can stay there 2-8 PM if I want to... I made the following discoveries: a)It's on casters b)It has a 65MB hard drive c)It's not all that dusty. By virtue of a, I moved it to reveal the CE panel, which had all of the floppies and a little error code booklet tucked inside. This booklet is fairly useless now that IBM doesn't support the 34, but it does list all of the parts and their names. There is a thing that I saw called the DC distribution panel. I was thinking that I might switch the power supply's outputs with the outputs for a normal PC AT PSU, of course not powering the drives. The booklet does imply that the PSU outputs -4, -5, 5,6,8.5,-12,12,-24, and 24 volts. Knowing this I ought to be able to get a couple of PC psus and run it. Next step: finding a room that has power to it - this one doesn't... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Yes, it is. That's the reason for all this trouble, that I don't know how to get it to run without a 220 volt outlet (it's in a storage room) Now, my question is a bit dumb, I suppose, but why is it that when Intel made the 8086 (which I heard was about as powerful as the 34), IBM made this huge half-ton box only to leave it mostly empty anyway? >Just curious, isn't the S/34 a 220v box? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Thanks and TRS-80 Score (was Re: Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week))

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> The first trap is that this monitor has a live (hot) chassis, or at lea <> the 115V models do. The video input is opto-isolated so that the TRS-80 <> itself can be grounded/floating. This means that you need to be more BIG TIME!!!! Take all the care in the world with this one. FYI the monitor is isolated from the trs80 via opto isolators so there is no DC or AC connection between the two. The optos are pressed real hard to run at video (luminance) rates so they can sometime be a cause of porr video. <> careful than usual when working inside this unit - mains on all the <> exposed metalwork is a good way to get killed! In fact, I'd say that yo <> shouldn't attempt to repair this unit unless (a) you have an isolation <> transformer and (b) you know why you should use one. Having worked on these at Tandy I can say first hand that is no lie! I've been wacked a few time over the years, it hurts...if your lucky! <I've done some simple work (replacing flybacks, logic boards, etc) on <VT100's previously - if I do decide to open this thing up, rather than Vt100s are line isolated and a bit safer save for the hi-volts on the CRT. Allison

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Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[tony duell] :> yes. shame about VALDOCS really. it seems to have killed forth's :> reputation for all time. it was reputedly an integrated package :>written in forth - unfortunately, it seems, the people who wrote :I thought it was written in Stoic, which although a threaded :stack-based language like Forth, was somewhat different in the :details. not that different. we have a source listing for stoic on our hard drive at the moment (you want it? we'll mail it) and the major differences >from forth were (a) it used a file system with 6 letter names, (b) it compiled everything, even immediate stuff, into a temporary buffer then executed the buffer, (c) you pushed textual words using 'xxxx rather than forth's method of having "WORD" pick up the next word in the input stream. :Not forgetting HP's RPL language which is Forth done even better. :You can push _anything_ onto the stack - integers, reals, strings, :even programs :-) I think the HP28 is now 10 years old, so we can :mention it here. ah, yes... we finally got hold of the dos development suite for this. it's a lovely language, but it departs somewhat from the simplicity and directness we like in forth. on the other hand, it's great for its chosen application, and if you're a lisp fan too... (yes, we are. symbolics 3600 on offer, anyone...? ;> ) what we'd like to see, though, is a forth effectively incorporating the concepts in smalltalk (ie everything on the stack is an object, possibly with a tag bit to differentiate between integers and anything else). have to start hacking one... -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

To everyone: Some judicious snipping of quoted email replies would make it MUCH easier to read, and really is common net-etiquette these days. As far as want-list; Me, I'm open to trades - I have a spare Exidy Sorcerer and assorted oddities. I'd like some of the early single boards - such as sym, etc. Andrew

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)netcom.com> <fantasy of running Music IV (or Csound) under Unix on the PDP 15 with <period DACs providing signals to the Moog.... a living early 70's <music research lab. Maybe the Minc-11.... naw, never mind. Forget unix or music from a -15 it was more suited to industrial control. I did do some serious hacking with music back some using the altair to drive a string of smal 8085 based boards(one per voice). <about two weeks away from getting a pilot's license, *if* the <examiner and the weather are co-incident and *if* I pass the damn <checkride... oops, off topic. sorry. Well if you don't pass the check ride the instructor should be shot for sending you unprepared. I have a license for 20 years and a Cessna150 to enjoy it in. Docs for systems, board and the like are a resource that is underestimated. There are so many s100 systems and boards that are mostly useless without docs as it's impossible to set them up or use them. Allison

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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

> >> >> >> >> ah, if we're going to get on to the "what do i wish for?" list... > >Well, I don't recomend killing me to get your hands on my little >collection... And I rarely sell machines. > >> a perq. any perq. please, PLEASE!!!... > >Keep looking... There are still some out there. No, my 4 (!) are not for >sale... What is a perq and why is it good? >> >> any system based on the 32xxx (a ceres would be nice, but we doubt >> they're available...) > >More practically, there are still a number of Whitechapel MG1's about. >Repairing one is not hard - the main problem is the NiCd battery used for >starting it. A Technical manual does exist... > >> >> an original archimedes, with the original arthur os and the gui in basic > >Hmm... I still have my Arthur programmer's reference manuals, but I doubt >I could find a set of the ROMs, alas... > >> >> a dg nova > >Again, keep looking. They were popular in embedded control systems at one >time. Mine came off an electron microscope.... Speaking of novas, I finished Soul of a New Machine. Great book! >> a linn rekursiv (wouldn't you? ;> ) > >Ooooh... Now that's a machine I don't have, and would like! Is the machine as weird as the name? >> >> one of the two machines we know about that ever used a z8000 (olivetti >> m20 or onyx..?) > >What about a Zilog 8000 ? It was/is (there's at least one still >operational) a Z8000-based unix box. Mine has an SMD disk controller and >a QIC tape drive. It's built in slices about 2' square - the bottom slice >is empty, the next contains just the RS223 port distribution panel, the >next contains the drives, and the top slice contains the cardcage. >There's the CPU card, a memory card (some machines had ECC memory, I >think), and assorted device controllers. > > >> >> a perq > >Does the fact that you've listed 'perq' about 4 times mean that you want >one from each series? > >> >> an original cp/m system or three (hm systems; the minstrel always >> appealed) > >What do you mean by 'original'? If you mean a machine designed to run >CP/M, then there must still be some RML 380Z's (very solid UK CP/M >machines used in schools) about. Ditto for DEC rainbows, Amstrads >(although I don't like those myself), BBC Z80 second processors, Epson >QX10's (IMHO one of the nicest CP/M machines ever built), etc. Was CP/M made for any specific machine originally, kind of like DOS was made for a PC (leaving Seattle Computers aside for a moment) >MDS800, then good luck in finding one. > >> >> any really weird 70s mini (small honeywell machine, perhaps? tony duell >> speaks highly of the philips p850...? maybe an icl thingy...?) - must be I believe the system/34 was a Mini. I think that's what those UPS tractor-trailers are for :) >of it, although as it was the machine that got me into computer >collecting, I do have a somewhat biased love of it. Mind you, with 2K >(max) of memory, 16 CPU registers, a strange instruction set, and a CPU >based on a hard-wired state machine rather than microcode, it must be >worth saving. Isn't microcode hard-wired anyway? >Philips P800 series machines are not at all common, alas... > >> nice to put forth on, though >> >> oh, did we mention that if someone would provide us with a perq at >> reasonable cost and proximity to bradford, we would be quite delighted >> and mount a one-person campaign to get him or her canonised? > >Which reminds me... I must Canon-ise my PERQ again - that is, repair the >Canon laser printer port. The crystal oscillator lost its legs, and while >I was trying to repair it, the local cat stepped on the device and the >quartz crystal plate is now in about 100 pieces... I must try to obtain a >29.8MHz xtal. > >Just out of curiousity, why aren't you looking for the following >machines? > >DEC PDP8, PDP11, Vax, any other PDP's? What does PDP mean, exactly? Is it something like the PC standard? >AMT DAP (Distributed Array Processor) Which is? >Anything transputer-based Which is? >The Xerox D-machines (somewhat PERQ-like in many ways) - Brian Rosen was >involved in the design of both AFAIK. The only problem with these is that >low level hardware/software docs seem to be next-to-impossible to obtain. >The PERQ has the advantage that there are some _very_ clueful enthusiasts >(not me, alas) who will help you with just about any problem. > >Torch XXX, quadX, etc I can just imagine "Sabrina's jungle dungeon - hosted on a Torch XXX" >Tiger. Now there's a strange machine.. A Z80 + 64K RAM, a 6809 + 8K RAM, >RS232, parallel, cassette ports, 1200/75 baud modem, 7220 graphics chip + >96K RAM, etc, etc, etc. It was going to be sold as a home computer... So, how much RAM total? > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

I have a canon SX320!! >I think the first 'computer' I programmed seriously was a Canon SX320 >calculator, which was a desktop machine with a full keyboard and 40? col >printer. I also did Fortran and Algol-W programming at highschool.

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Zenith Luggable/DEC sw

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

On the weekend I picked up a mint Zenith (luggable). Nosing around the thrift I also found 4 10pack containers of DEC Formula One 5 1/4 RX50 floppies. 1 of which contained programs. As well there were 2 Decmate II Word Processor manuals (no disks) and a Decmate II Hardware Documentation manual with 2 disks. Sys. Overview and Sys.Test Diskette. The program disks were a 4part AT&T MSDOS v.3.3 rel 1.01 ; a clock patch and 2 Test Diag. marked PC 6300 and an HP labelled disk with Vectra msdos 3.1. $30 (Can.) A real score. The Zenith is similiar to the Kaypro and Compaq luggables with a cooler design. Along with the int. monitor it has a double pop-up A/B drives and 3 ports on the rear as well as an RCA looking jack. (for an external monitor ?). Best of all it booted with the AT&T disks. The Disks marked PC6300 did nothing and the Vectra gave me a no command.com present tho I was able to get a dir. listing which showed one. Anyone with info on this 'chine ? I imagine I was just lucky and the DEC disks came in to the shop separately, but a nagging idea of the Rainbows ability to boot msdos came to mind. I also finally found a DEC k-b for a long-dormant Rainbow which has a 5meg Seagate. When I get the 15-pin video cable I'll be able to check further. ciao larry lwalkerN0spaM(a)interlog.com

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Telebit modems

by jmg＠iac.net

OK, so this is off topic for the list charter, but I have a friend with a Telebit V.34 28.8 modem (part number AP-8810SA-001) which doesn't have a power adapter. Does anyone know (just hoping - not really expecting) what this thing is looking for in terms of power, and if it takes a common transformer? Thanks! J. Maynard Gelinas

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-02-26 22:08:24 EST, somebody wrote: << Geez, where do you guys keep all these computers??? >> well, with living single, and a 3bedroom house for me and my dawg, it's easy! =D david

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by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

since everyone else is at it... the identity we received at birth is available to anyone who asks, but we adopted the collective name "communa" a few moths back, on realising that we're multiple. it's raised a few eyebrows since, but that's life. we're 23, and our first computer was a second-hand zx81 at the age of 9, followed with reasonable swiftness by a new zx81 and memotech rampack. the rampack died after a few years of non-use, and by then we had moved on and up, and weren't much interested in the zx81 any more (we maintain that attitude; it was a handy springboard, it was nice to have used one, but it was the first and only eminently *disposable* computer...) over the years we also acquired: * a commodore 16, complete with tally roll printer; * a memotech mtx512; * a sinclair ql with serial port - we are currently waiting for a friend at work to throw some more bits our way; * a trigem xt with 40Mb hard disk, hgc monitor and panasonic kxp1170 printer - faithful workhorse for 5 years; * an amstrad nc100 that we don't use anywhere near as much as we should; * an original zx spectrum 48; * a spectrum +2; * a 286 motherboard, then a 386sx motherboard, an old case someone left behind on doing a runner, a digital vga mono monitor and olivetti card, 4 1Mb simms, and a win95 keyboard, for use as a convenience system (and for internet surfing); * an ncr 286 computer that looks like a paving slab and came with ega colour monitor and lovely keyboard; * and there may well be a decstation 3100 going at work if we can arrange / wangle it. (plus a ridiculously heavy 300Mb scsi hard drive box that feels as if someone forgot to remove the lead casing...) a preponderance of home computers and odd pcs (with the exception of this 386, none are particularly standard inside), which we are not very happy about - hence our published wish list. for our living, we do things with webs and databases - sometimes in connection - with a little company based in sleepy gargrave (typical village - 3 shops, 3 pubs, about 200 houses, pathetic public transport) and have done for a year, during which time we have seen the depth of our overdraft *increase*. (hmm...) however, it does mean that now we have the money to pursue a dream, which is to acquire old and interesting hardware and write operating systems for them. and therein lies our interest in classic computers; less for the beasts themselves, more for the programming challenges and joys that they would present. hence we'll focus on specific architectures rather than specific machines. it's also something of a revolt against the trend in the modern computer market, especially with regard to software. before that, we studied computer science at bradford university, but lost interest once we realised that we already knew most of what we were being told, and didn't particularly want to know the rest. we nearly failed; we got a degree out of it, just. we'd prefer a job that tallied better with our interests; on the other hand, there's a novelist here trying to get out, and we suspect that this would represent our future career development. (but because of who we are, we don't want to write a book until we've written the word processor. :> ) and we'd also like to have more time to ourself and our interests. oh, and we're devoted to our three cats, firstborn, blackie and calliope - our babies. they come first in all considerations. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

ah, if we're going to get on to the "what do i wish for?" list... miracle qxl card. (but a friend at work has promised us a sack of ql pieces, so that shouldn't be a problem) a perq. any perq. please, PLEASE!!!... any system based on the 32xxx (a ceres would be nice, but we doubt they're available...) an original archimedes, with the original arthur os and the gui in basic a dg nova a perq a novix card for pc, or a metaforth board a linn rekursiv (wouldn't you? ;> ) one of the two machines we know about that ever used a z8000 (olivetti m20 or onyx..?) a perq an original cp/m system or three (hm systems; the minstrel always appealed) any really weird 70s mini (small honeywell machine, perhaps? tony duell speaks highly of the philips p850...? maybe an icl thingy...?) - must be nice to put forth on, though oh, did we mention that if someone would provide us with a perq at reasonable cost and proximity to bradford, we would be quite delighted and mount a one-person campaign to get him or her canonised? -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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not the Sys/34 again!!!

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I will finally get to the thing Monday to see if I can modify the PSU for 110 volts. It's probably a bit late to ask, but does anyone have recommendations for what to look for, as well as what tools I should take? Is the PSU takeapartable with a screwdriver? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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gold recovery

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Let the seller beware when it comes to these recovery shops. Unless you bother to find an independent assessment of your metals, you have no idea whether they're basing their price on the actual gold content or not. They're just finding a price at which you'll surrender the goods. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Hmmm, I like this, a wish list thread. Me too. A PDP-8E/F/M A PDP-8A DOCS for an IMSAI IMP48 Single board computers; Intel sdk85, moto 6800d1 or d3, AIM65, SYM65 Allison

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Altair 8800 - Should I buy it?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Does the upgrade significantly hurt the value <of it? Or are the Cromemeco boards equally <valuable? No and sorta. As a pure 8800 it's lower value as it's not complete. The comemeco are later boards but of some value especially if the manuals are with them. The backplane upgrade was common(nearly required!). <I have a pretty good idea of what the Altair <8800 is worth in it's original configuration <but I am in the dark when it has been upgraded. <Does anyone know where I might find an original <Altair 8800 CPU card and 8 slot motherboard. I <have a MITS ram card. The original backplane was 4 slots and real sloppy timing wise due to poor electrical construction. Faster z80s boards did not work reliably in them. The 8800 did not have an 8slot (it was two 4s), MITS never offered one that I know of. Likely the 8 slot was yet another aftermarket item. Allison

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<My first calculator, a Sinclair Cambridge, did that as well. Perhaps <someone on the list could enlighten us as to whehter this was a common <weakness of early calculators, and possibly why those who wrote the code <them allowed it to happen ;-) many of them were hard logic and not "programmed micros". Logic errors are the responseable element and it was common for the same(literal) chip to appear in different branded calculators. later designs did however use the likes of the TMS1000, a 4bit data oriented, 8bit instruction word masked rom single chip micro. NEC, MOTO and a few others had parts in that market as they could be made cheap in volume with their masked roms. Allison

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Altair 8800 - Should I buy it?

by altair8800＠hotmail.com

I found an Altair 8800 yesterday in a computer repair shop. It has been upgraded with a 16 slot motherboard and the MITS cards were replaced with a Cromemco CPU and Cromemco 64k ram card. Does the upgrade significantly hurt the value of it? Or are the Cromemeco boards equally valuable? The owner will sell it for $500 and will throw in some other non-MITS S-100 cards (Cromemco TUART, Cromemco Quadart, Godbout 32k ram card, etc. I have a pretty good idea of what the Altair 8800 is worth in it's original configuration but I am in the dark when it has been upgraded. Does anyone know where I might find an original Altair 8800 CPU card and 8 slot motherboard. I have a MITS ram card. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Bob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Walnut Creek CP/M CDROM Discontinued

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> wrote: >And you also have to consider that at least 95% of the Walnut >Creek CD-ROM was simply assembled from materials lying around >the net and on various CP/M BBS's. I'm not sure how they >got permission for the remaining 5% (things such as the Ampro >Little Board BIOS sources, etc.) That's the big pitfall of publishing supposedly public domain CDs... even if you are absolutely careful and secure written permission >from everyone who claims to have made something on the disc, you can never be quite sure that someone wasn't telling the truth, especially if there's any sort of compensation involved. If you redistribute something that the creator doesn't want distributed, you could be in for trouble. And of course it takes a lot of effort to nicely assemble and categorize the thousands of files on a CD. That makes a good product, but not all CDs are as good as they could be. lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk wrote: >erm, isn't the walnut creek cd-rom predominantly stocked with the same >stuff that is on oak? which kind of implies that so long as you aren't >doing it for profit, it's just another kind of distribution. It can be tough to tell who really owns what, in terms of the "collection copyright." By means of analogy, a publisher who makes a book of poems retains the copyright of the way they assemble the poems, and they need to secure the right to redistribute each poem, but it doesn't mean they own the poems. It's possible that the people who organized the Oakland site never considered that they were sitting on a valuable property. In 1994 my company secured permission to press a CD of the popular 3D model ftp site called "Avalon" without any payment whatsoever. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I might as well jump on while everyone else does... I'm not too new, not too old to this list, starting in October/November. I'm 12 years old, and therefore, as far as I can tell, the youngest person in this list. (Although, I could, of course be wrong) I'm the sond of an American diplomat, and have lived in Bahrain for nearly 3 1/2 years. This July, I'm moving to Guyana, after going back to Witicha, Kansas and DC. As the age implies, I probably haven't been into computers too long. My main computer actually is my first, it WAS a Compaq Presario CDS 633, with a 486SX 33MHz processor, 4MB of RAM (immeidately upgraded to 12MB), and, after upgrading, now it's a 486DX/2 66, 28MB RAM, 2.1GB HDD, but still with the same video, sound and controller cards as before. It's role is getting slowly replaced with my new Cyrix 200 that I built in December. (The 31st, just before Midnight). Back in 1994, when I got my first computer, I was always interested in programming. I started with QBasic, and still use BASIC to do most work. Just today I've made my first (partially useable) C++ program. Let's see: I'm unemployed (except always bored as a 7th grade student), am not married (as you could guess, living in the Mid East's getting to me), have no children and do not live in New York. But, in my spare time I work with my friend Zack Boyd (we met on the Internet) on the web page, The Review Guide (at http://members.theglobe.com/ReviewGuide/index.html) We hope to be moving soon to a .com address, just after we get reviews up, etc. It's basically for fun, to try new products, and, for me, mostly to get credibility for college, etc. (yes, I'm already possed with it, and would like info that anyone has on this subject, right now, I'll do almost anything....) I started collecting with a PC XT, and still have it, it's still waiting for a controller and HDD. ;-) Lets see... I'm starting an online community, and am going to be asking in the next few days for people interested. I'm really unsatified with the learning going on in school, (you'll understand with the online community post) , and love learning, like classical music up through lots of different stuff that I don't know what category it goes under... use Windows, am getting familiar with Linux... and, that's it. Bye, Tim D. Hotze

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Wanted stuff

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Bill Yakowenko <yakowenk(a)cs.unc.edu> wrote: >I've been dorking around with this idea for a while now, and >this seems a good lead-in. The basic problem was that the >classiccmp web page seems to be permanently dead. Very cool idea and implementation, although something inside me likes finding machines through chaos and luck, as opposed to having an well-organized team. :-) - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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Fw: help: Apple][<==> PDP-8

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

I saw this on comp.sys.apple2. Can anyone help? I don't think he is on the list. -- Kirk -----Original Message----- From: James <jmcp(a)pacbell.net> Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 2:10 PM Subject: help: Apple][<==> PDP-8 >Hi. >I would like to replace my near dead teletype (paper tape works, but the >CR does not work properly) with either my //c or //e. >I figure I could just use a serial port, but the PDP-8 (compatible) uses >a teletype connector, and I don't know how to create a proper cable. >Also, how would I get the PDP-8 programs from the paper tape reader on >the teletype to the Apple ][? >Has any one done something like this before? I have heard that people >have done this with a PC. The PDP-8 news group appears dead, and I have >not been able to find any web resources on this subject. > >You may ask "Why?" >Well, I'm not really sure, but I sure do love watching all those pretty >LED's flickering on the PDP-8 front panel! I also have loads of paper >tape, and I want to know what it all does. > >Thanks for your help, >James >jmcp(a)pacbell.net > >

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System 36

by dolar＠khi.compol.com

Ref your email send on 19-oct-1997 I have a system 36 model 5363 with 3 twin axil terminals. If you are interested please reply. Ikhlas Ahmad

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HP 64100A

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

MAINFRAME HEWLETT PACKARD Model:64100A THE 64100A IS THE FUNDAMENTAL UNIT OF THE 64000 DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM, CONSISTS OF CONSOLE WITH INTEGRAL 12" CRT, FULL ASCII KEYBOARD, RS-232 INTERFACE AND SPACE FOR 10 OPTION CARDS. UNIT HAS 64941A OPTION CARD CONTROLLING 2 X 5" FLOPPY DRIVES This is available for CAN$45 Is this rare/desirable? I'm thinking of passing it up anyway, but just curious. A

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Demography?

by pjoules＠coleg-powys.ac.uk

>That particular unit (a CASIO) had a problem dividing by 0 - it >tried to!! The display patiently counted from 0 up to... well I never saw >it stop before the batteries gave out. I guess thats what started my prime >interest in computers - the quirky and unusual. > My first calculator, a Sinclair Cambridge, did that as well. Perhaps someone on the list could enlighten us as to whehter this was a common weakness of early calculators, and possibly why those who wrote the code for them allowed it to happen ;-) My condensed bio: I am 40 years old and live near Shrewsbury (UK), on the border between England and Wales. I have had an interest in computers since 1985 when I worked for the local council as a Meat Inspector. The Environmental Health Department got their first computer and I wrote some applications for it and then decided that I wanted to be a programmer for the rest of my life. I have been to University 1 day per week for the last 5 years and gained a BSc in Computer Studies last September. I am currently working (bored and underpaid ;-() as a MIS programmer for a college of further education producing reports in Access. Apart from collecting computers I enjoy motorcycling and rock climbing. My collection consists of: 1 MicroVAX II with a TK50, 4 RA81s and an RA82 3 Sun 386i, I working and 2 with dead/dying NVRAMs 1 Tulip PC Compact 2 - NEC V30, 40Mb hard disk 1 Sinclair Spectrum 48k 1 Sinclair Spectrum +2 1 Amstrad CPC464 with colour monitor (and off topic) 1 486DX2 PC running linux 24/7 except when I have to reluctantly reboot into Win95 1 Toshiba T3100SX portable with dead LCD display Wish list: The one I would really like is an ICL Quattro - The first machine I programmed and administered. It was an 8086 based machine with 10Mb hard drive and 1Mb RAM running CCP/M86 and capable of supporting 4 terminals each of which could support 4 virtual terminals giving a theoretical total of 16 users. Not bad for an 8086 :-). The later 'go faster' version had a 286 processor. Regards Pete

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Demography?

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

>I'm kind of curious as to the demography of the Classic Computer >Mailing List. What are people's backgrounds, what are they doing now, >and so forth. Hi, I'm Hans Olminkhof, mid 40's, a mechanical engineer living in Sydney Australia. Married, 3 kids. I don't have much to do with computers for a living, building the occasional Lotus Notes database being about it. I was originally exposed to computers as an undergraduate and remember writing my first program on punchcards in Forgo, a students version of Fortran2. It ran on an IBM 1620 or something at the University of Western Australia where we could see in the next room a PDP6 in all it's blue glory. Never got any closer to that though. The next year we were limited to remote teletypes linked to the new computer, a Cyber72 which I never saw. I had no contact with computers again until about 1986 when I finally found something useful to do on them, Finite Element Analysis. (engineer stuff). We bought a 286 for home about 1991 and spent $500 a year later get the 80Mb hard drive in it fixed. Not long afterwards I figured out how easy it was to do all that myself. One day in about 1993, I said to someone in a shop what a museum piece the IBM AT I was looking at was. Somehow the conversation got around to me never having even seen the original IBM PC. Then came a trip to the back room to see racks and racks of them. I walked away with one for $20, got to fiddling with it and a few weeks later owned another dozen or so. They would have been on their way to the tip otherwise. I got very interested in the idea of keeping them alive and in the whole idea of how quickly this technology was progressing and disappearing. Anyway, now I've got a whole heap of old computers, maybe half of them working, lots of old software to go with them, manuals etc. I spend a few hours a weekend looking around for more. The list includes: IBM PC's, XT's, AT's, Portable PC's, Convertibles, Displaywriters Compaq Portable's, Portable Plus's, Portable II's Kaypro II's, and IV's Various Apple II's and early Mac's Atari 400's and an 800 Various Apricots A heap of Sirius's (Victor 9000 in USA) Decmate III's Osborne 1's and Executives DOT's An original PET A CBM3032 and the wreck of an 8032 A Compupro box A Cromenco C10 Various BBC's HP 85's, 71B's and a 110 An MAI 4105 Various Microbees An NEC APC and a number of APC III's NEC 8201, 8401, Tandy Model 100 Olivetti M21 Panasonic 840 Sharp PC 5000, 2 X 7000's, MZ811 Sinclair ZX81 and Spectrum's Epson HX20 Canon A200's probably some I forgot, and some uniquely Australian machines, a "Porchester Executive", a "PortaPak" and a Dick Smith "Mini Scamp" (a 1977 kit) I've also got some PDP11 stuff coming when I organise a truck!

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Enrico: model I

by archive＠navix.net

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Subscribe

by anders.sponton＠tellus.vallentuna.se

subscribe anders.sponton(a)tellus.vallentuna.se http://www.tellus.vallentuna.se/gymninfo/personal/anders/andersus.html

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Demography?

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

>> Far as I can tell one of the few active women in legacy(old machines are >> us) computing. For me thse old system were the computer I couldn't afford >> when I was playing with them new. > >Well, unless someone else pops up, you're probably the ONLY woman into >this sort of thing. You're like the Grace Hopper of vintage computer >enthusiasts :) What's a woman? Can you program it? Does it have a nice chassis? Is there somewhere to rest your beer while you're working on it? :) A

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One more thing...

by dastar＠wco.com

I forgot to mention one last thing I picked up today. The CE-125 Printer and Microcassette Interface for a Sharp Pocket Computer PC-1250. This basically adds a 20 column printer and micro-cassette to the Sharp Pocket Computer. Basically makes the equivalent of a small Epson HX-20 (almost). The Sharp would slide into this unit and you could then carry the whole contraption around in a carrying case which came with the interface. Very cool. Now all I need to find is a Sharp PC-1250. In the box with all accessories and manuals, $15. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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386 SBC available (was Re: Demography?)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Correction it's the BIG blue box. Mine is circa '76 or earlier and was <> used by the DEC VT100(and others) development team. < <Hmm, the one I'm thinking of may be a later vintage. But if BIG means <a cube about 3' on a side, then it may be the same. The MDS800 was about 13" tall, 28" deep and 19" wide box and the 8" disk box was another 8" or so tall. Nice multibus system. Most of the MDS systems were nominal rack width. My favorite was the series 225 with the integrated crt and seperate keyboard, did a lot of development time on those. I wouldn't mind finding one. <You've caught me with my hardware pants down. To my software eyes, they <look like VME cards, but I know Intel doesn't do much VME stuff. They'r <386-16 boards from circa 1987 (just slipped under the 10-year barrier). Two bus edge connectors 12"wx6.5"? If so it's Multibus. Myself I'd find a 80/10 or 80/20 or BLC80/204 for multibus more appealing as I can use them. Allison

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Demography?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> 1 SB180 with SCSI adaptor and 20meg HD(also used frequently) < <BTW, what's this? Someone is going to sell me one and all I know is tha <it runs CP/M. SB180 Micromint (in CT), circa 1985 and featured in both BYTE September and october 1985 (byte back issues is still available). The SB180 is a 64180 (z180) with 32k Eprom, 256k of dram and floppy controller for 8/5.35/3.5" drives on a really small card. Very low power and runs CPM. There was a piggyback board that added a 300baud modem and NCR 5380 scsi chip, mine only has the SCSI. Most were clocked at a cpu speed of 6mhz but 9mhz was possible with a fast chip. Good little board. I have mine stuffed into a old PS2/25 case using the 3.5" floppies (780k) and a Xybec scsi controller that's twice the size of the sb180 card! Allison

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Demography?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I might as well get the ball rolling with an introduction of sorts. Oh why not. I'm older at 45 so, that means I have hands on time with new PDP-8Is and KA/I/L-10s. I was in EEschool when the 8008 hit and I was already working (to pay for school) with it soon after it was available at work. I've done design with everything from DC to 1ghz RF analog and even a fair amount of digital from transistors to asics. Likely one of the few that's designed with tubes, transistors and ICs. Former companies I've worked for Automated processes(maglink SMPTE timecodes), Tandy(trs80), NEC(chips), Hazeltine(terminals), DEC(printing systems) and a few more inbetween. Far as I can tell one of the few active women in legacy(old machines are us) computing. For me thse old system were the computer I couldn't afford when I was playing with them new. My collections includes: 4 operational s100 machines Vector MX (vector box computime boards) Northstar* horizon (actively used has HD) Explorer-85 S-S100 (my design z80 supersystem) (active and archive system, big HD) 3 Vt180s (in use) 1 kaypro (in use) 1 Epson PX-8 with 120k wedge (my laptop) 1 amproLB+ with 45mb scsi drive (used often) 1 SB180 with SCSI adaptor and 20meg HD(also used frequently) 1 DECMATE-III runs OS/278 VAXEN: All operational ant netted via decnet/eithernet 1 MV-II ba23 1 MV-II ba123 3 VS2000 2 vms and one ultrix 1 Vaxstation3100-m76 VMS PDP-11 systems: all operatonal 1 ba11n 11/23b (rx50) 1 ba11n 11/73 (rx33, rd52, RX02, RL02, TK50) 2 BA11va 11/23 (shoebox system with tu58 tape) 1 PDT11/130 1 Pro350 with venix Misc SBCs: operational IMSAI IMP-48 (8035 based SBC) COSMAC ELF (base design) national SC/MP Demo board National TBX tinybasic chip on a board Technico superstarter sytem (TI9900) Misc 8085 boards used for random uses. NEC TK-80 8080 system DEC ADVICE microvax-II chip based sbc/ice Intersil 6960 demo kit (pdp-8 cmos chip (6100) to make a minimal system) Misc machines: INTEL MDS-800 multibus 8080 TI99/4a with PEB, disk, mem exp, voice, disk software and 20+ carts. Altair (retired) PCs: Leading Edge mod D (XT class) running dos DTC turboXT slated for minix (running dos) 386dx/33 running linux 486dx2/50 running dos (this system) My wish list includes: more SBCs (mostly because they are fun and small) PDP-8/e/f/m series (always wanted one since '69) any pdp-10 ( I can wish!) Intersil/harris 6100/6120 based systems Allison

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386 SBC available (was Re: Demography?)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> <> Misc machines: <> INTEL MDS-800 multibus 8080 < <Is this a blue box? I had a chance to get one once.... Correction it's the BIG blue box. Mine is circa '76 or earlier and was used by the DEC VT100(and others) development team. <That reminds me. I have two piSBC 386/116's that I have no plans to do <anything with (I don't have a card cage for them). They are available a <trading fodder for just about anything smaller than a breadbox. What are they? Most of the SBCs I'm interested in are of the mid '70s through mid 80s designs. Allison

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Demography?

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-03-01 17:25:56 EST, you write: << It was thus said that the Great Seth J. Morabito once stated: > > I'm kind of curious as to the demography of the Classic Computer > Mailing List. What are people's backgrounds, what are they doing now, > and so forth. >> My name's david, and i'm based in north carolina. I do level 2 technical support for IBM's consumer line. I only started really collecting computers about 3 years ago and am up to ~75 or so. It all started way back in 1984 in high skool when i discovered the apple //e. I flunked computer science, but it eventually worked out pretty well. I never did get my own computer until 1987 when i bought a second hand apple ][+ with no disk drive for $200. ( i still have it) I've got quite a varied collection which includes apple // series, 68k compact macs, IBM, a microvax, xycom business cpm machine, osi, atari, TI, heathkit,kaypro, tandy, and some others i cannot think of right now including spare parts for the apples and xt era pc machines. most machines will be on a website soon once i can get my mind back into it. my primary interest is early pc era stuff from big blue, naturally, such as ps2 models, pcrt, and pcjr types. i also have an extensive collection of nibble and compute! magazines >from the 80s as well. It would be nice to find some old working minicomputer, but for right now, it's just 80s micros, since that's what I grew up with. david

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Where's a list of lists?

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Ok, it sounded stupid...I'm basically asking where there's a list of these type message areas, such as the one we're reading right now. I know about the Heath area and the Classic Computer area by word of mouth, but is there a place to get an overall listing of all that a person could subcribe to? Newsgroups are easy as they show with the newsgroup reader in your browser. Appreciate the time in responding to this or any of my messages. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Recover gold from old computers

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

I wish this guy didn't exist http://www.tiac.net/users/quiksand/goldtek.htm A

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Northstar Horizon

by jrbrady＠mindspring.com

Hi Marty, I have one of the double-density models and can provide you with copies of docs and some software. I have a bunch of application software but it's in quad-density format for the Advantage and I haven't bothered to transfer any of it to the Horizon. The Horizon is a terrific, solid machine. The first serial port is for the console and the second port is available for a printer, etc. Both are easily reconfigured via the USER.ASM code (at least my Lifeboat CP/M version). Two parallel ports are also available on the motherboard. I'm not sure if the Horizon bus is fully IEEE-696 compliant. Tim or Allison? BTW, California Digital (www.cadigital.com) sells hard-sectored disks for around $10/box. They also have 8" SSDD floppies (ran out of double-sided, unfortunately). Regards, Jason Brady jrbrady(a)mindspring.com Seattle, WA

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PC to System 34/36/38 setup FS

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I have a new, in the box, AST-5251/11 setup that allows a PC to communicate with an IBM 34/36/38 mainframe (?). It includes a thick manual, 5.25" and 8" floppies, twinaxial to adapter card cable w/tee, and the adapter card for an ISA slot. Still with the original overbox that shows all the features of this beauty. The box states that the card is an 8 bit, DMA selectable for PC/XT/AT, selectable interupt channel, on board high speed 8X305 processor, 5251-11/5291 or 5291-1 display terminal emulation, host addressable 5256 printer support on the PC's printer, concurrent host and PC sessions with hot key assist, bidirectional file transfers, and more. This is the enhanced version. I have no use for this and many of you are into connection to mainframes and minis, so make me an offer, whether it be cash or trade for PC compatible items. Email a reply direct to me, please. Russ Blakeman rhblake(a)bbtel.com

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Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

> Looser Attitude Readjustment Tool. LART. Usually a big stick, but can be >anything handy that can inflict pain and suffering upon loosers who don't >know a calculator from a computer and think Bill Gates is Good. I would say the optimal is a PC clone case with Windows 95 cds glued on. Anyway, what IS the difference between a computer and a calculator (yeowch!)? I know the one between a Cray and TI-10 (4-function calc.), but what about a 68k based TI-92 graphics, which a friend of mine is now making a multitasking OS for? It has a full keyboard (half the area). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Wish List!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

from: sethm(a)loomcom.com <I'd really love to find a MicroPDP 11/23+, or possibly even just <a regular PDP 11/23, with disks and an OS to play with. I do <miss playing with octal! They are common enough keep looking. Typically they will have RD52->54 disks (30-159mb), rx50 floppy and plenty of serial io. Boards are common enough and generally free to cheap. if your real lucky you may find a copy of RT-11 on the disk or with the machine. Docs are always handy. <for nostalgia reasons having to do with school: I'd love to find a <DECStation 5000/200 with Ultrix 4.3a. Those were are main campus UNIX You might find a DECstation 3100 with ultix easier. Or a VS2000 or Microvax-II with ultrix. <Actually, I think that's about it for the "realistic" wishlist at the <moment. Of course, I'd adore having a PDP8, 8/E, 8/I, or 8/M to play <with, but space and power restrictions kind of prevent it at the moment. <Ah, perhaps later. Find a DECmate-II or III it's mostly PDP-8 and real small. Allison

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Vector 3 info needed

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

I just obtained a machine that has the same all-in-one look as a TRS-80 model 3 or 4 but the drives are located in an external box and has the name Vector 3 on the front and the label on back states that it's made by Vector Graphics, Inc. The external box has a 5.25" floppy and a 5.25" hard drive in it and it has a monitor and keyboard in the main unit. I haven't even powered it up yet so I don't even know if it works. Anyone know of a museum/collection site with info on this, or have info on it themselves? I'd like to see what it is before I decide to gut it for the drives or keep ot for my oddities collection. Any information of this machine is greatly appreciated. Russ Blakeman Harned, KY USA

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Demography?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I debated if I shouldn't just send this directly to you, seth, but I decided that knowing where old computer providers and users are is good for the whole list. I am a high school student in Boston, MA (If anyone is familiar with the Boston Latin School, that's it). I had a C-64, but fried it two years ago. I now have a Mac Portable, Apple //c, 386 Clone, P*****m clone, which is what I usually use. I am interested in classic computers because they are cheap and easy to understand. They usually have less bugs, and, most importantly, they were made in an era when money wasn't all that counted as far as computers went (everything else was long past that point). I am also working on System/34 in my school's supply room. I will start monday. C'est tout. >Club, formed to prevent people from trashing all the PDP11's that were >How about other folks? What kind of backgrounds and current experiences >do you all have? I'd love to hear about it. > >-Seth Morabito > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Wish List!

by sethm＠loomcom.com

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Apple Basic

by red＠bears.org

Eh, heh. So how do I get a modulus in Apple basic? The answer is not 'MOD' or '%'. ok r.

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Dragon 64 pinouts

by hansp＠columbia.digiweb.com

I acquired a Dragon 64 base unit today. Can anyone post the pinouts for the power and video connectors? -- Hans B. Pufal : <mailto:hansp@digiweb.com> Comprehensive Computer Catalogue : <http://www.digiweb.com/~hansp/ccc/> _-_-__-___--_-____-_--_-_-____--_---_-_---_--__--_--_--____---_--_--__--_

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IT WORKS! IT RUNS! AND MORE THAN ONE TERMINAL!

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

It finally accepted the DH and started using it! I know have RSTS/E v8.0 running and 16 terminal ports that work! The only bad part is, I have ABSOLUTELY *NO* idea what made it start working... I'd given up for the night and started cleaning up my mess, when I got a dumb idea and hung the console teleprinter off the 3rd port of the DH. Pushed enter, and got crap. Screwed with baudrates and other etc. and got logged in. Went upstairs and stole a VT100 off their router (They won't notice... I'll put it back...) and tested it out. All the ports are at funny baudrates and such, but they all work! Now, I have to think of a way to get this online... -------

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FREEBIES! A Pair of MicroVAX II'S need a home!

by kyrrin2＠wizards.net

Seen on Usenet. If you can adopt these fine machines, contact the original author directly. Thanks! -=-=- <snip> -=-=- From: "Erie Patsellis" <eriep(a)map.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: free to good home- 2 MVII (western mass) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:37:25 -0500 Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.71.19.191 Message-ID: <34f9645f.0(a)204.71.19.13> Path: Supernews70!Supernews73!supernews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.19.13!204.71.19.13!204.71.19.191 Xref: Supernews70 comp.sys.dec:60992 due to change in living situation, I have 2 MVII's available, just email me to pick them up. erie -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, SysOp, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fido 1:343/272) kyrrin2 {at} wiz<ards> d[o]t n=e=t "...No matter how hard we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living creature, in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them!..."

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Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[doug on qx10] :It sounds like a nice little CP/M box with bank-switched memory :that can also run VALDOCS (whatever that is). yes. shame about VALDOCS really. it seems to have killed forth's reputation for all time. it was reputedly an integrated package written in forth - unfortunately, it seems, the people who wrote it were less than competent. for some reason it has an awful reputation, as slow, buggy, etc. never used or seen it - even in magazine reviews (not for the want of trying either) - hence the vagueness. please, someone furnish further details...? did epson ever release the source? (hmm. other things written in forth were more successful - vp-planner springs to mind, since it was so successful lotus killed it...) -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

I've spotted one, owner has original boxes, packaging. And the technical manuals - condition excellent. Is this a computer worth salvaging? I'd likely have to pay around US$65 He also has a AT&T 3B1 in great shape, but doesn't know what its worth. Any comments on these two appreciated. Cheers A

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Radio Shack CoCo for sale

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

How much? > >Check out http://home1.gte.net/okay/for_sale.htm >This equipment has been in my closet since I got my first PC in '87 >I wan't to sell as a package. >Gary > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

28 years, 2 months

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cprohman@ix17.ix.netcom.com

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

NEC APC that reminds me. we always fancied an nec apc... but what we wanted even more than that was a samurai s16. anyone else remember these? also 8" disks, 8088 running at around 4MHz, 128k basic ram, design that looked very apc-ish and quite lisa-ish also (there were a number of machines with that styling. immediately we can think of the lisa, nec apc, ncr decision mate/v, samurai s16. any more...?) the last we heard of the s16, some firm was flogging it off for 400 quid a throw or thereabouts, in response to the amstrad el cheapo pc. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[tony duell] :Didn't they? There's at least one PC-jr in the UK in operational :condition, although without the original PSU, so I can't comment :whether there was ever an IBM 240V transformer unit for them. Mind :you, the technical manual only lists a 115V model. some of them must have leaked across the atlantic, even in some official capacity, but they were certainly never sold here. they were axed in the us before they could be introduced here. given how long britain had to wait for the ibm pc (and the resultant popularity of the sirius) it isn't really all that surprising... we also seem to remember personal computer world reviewing a model that they described as "the pcjr done right", which was called something like the jx and was only available in japan, and used 3.5" disks years before anything else did. are we remembering correctly...? -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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PDP-11 rescue in UK

by jfoust＠threedee.com

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Pretty good week

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 09:37 PM 2/26/98, you wrote: >Awww! And all I've been able to get this week is a HP-97, HP-9815 with >various interfaces and a HP 9871 printer and a Commodore Pet 2083 with >MODEM, dual disk drive, printer and tractor feed attachment with all the >docs and software. Geez, where do you guys keep all these computers??? My wife would kill me, and my daughter of 19 months would tear them up. This is one reason why I collect GRiD laptops. They are the last word in durability, and are small compared to desktop systems and others. (BTW, All I did this week was get Red Hat 5.0 setup and running on both my home and work machines, not that I'm trying to go off topic or anything...)

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16 bit 6502?! No, you don't want it... trust me!

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

That's the dog I programmed. SNES. A -----Original Message----- From: kroma <kroma(a)worldnet.att.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 1:02 AM Subject: Re: 16 bit 6502?! No, you don't want it... trust me! > > >>Having spent 2 years programming the 65816, believe me you DON'T want to >>play with a 16 bit 6502!!!! The memories, the memories.... There was a >>processor dog if ever I saw one. Interpretation of opcodes was dependant >on >>the mode the processor was set to, and so if you branched to a section of >>code when you were in the wrong mode, results were... screwy. >> ><snip> > >(Getting off topic a bit) >I believe Nintendo did pretty good with it in their second generation >system, the "Super Nintendo." > > -- Kirk > > >

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16 bit 6502?! No, you don't want it... trust me!

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

>Having spent 2 years programming the 65816, believe me you DON'T want to >play with a 16 bit 6502!!!! The memories, the memories.... There was a >processor dog if ever I saw one. Interpretation of opcodes was dependant on >the mode the processor was set to, and so if you branched to a section of >code when you were in the wrong mode, results were... screwy. > <snip> (Getting off topic a bit) I believe Nintendo did pretty good with it in their second generation system, the "Super Nintendo." -- Kirk

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Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

VALDOCS is an early example of a "works" type program for CP/M although its most noteable module was the spreadsheet. My wife liked it much better than Lotus 123. I have both a QX-10 and a QX-16. They are both quality boxes. The QX-16 is especially fun because one can boot it in either CP/M or MSDOS. I would encourage anyone to rescue examples of these fine machines. If I didn't already have one, I would be tripping all over myself to obtain a fully documented QX-10 for $65.00. In fact, if you decide to pass, let me know who to contact; I wouldn't mind having a spare. Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com -----Original Message----- From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> To: Cgregory <Cgregory> Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 2:56 AM Subject: Re: Epson QX-10 / AT&T 3B1 >On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Andrew Davie wrote: > >> I've spotted one, owner has original boxes, packaging. >> And the technical manuals - condition excellent. >> Is this a computer worth salvaging? I'd likely have to pay around US$65 > >A quick "power search" of Deja News will tell you that this machine has >sold recently in a range from $0 to $100 (my cursory look yielded 2 for >free, 2 at $50, and one at $100). > >It sounds like a nice little CP/M box with bank-switched memory that can >also run VALDOCS (whatever that is). > >-- Doug > >

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Demography?

by adam＠merlin.net.au

My turn. :) I'm a collector in Adelaide, South Australia - not the only one here, but one of a very small number. I'm 28, and until very recently I was a student, doin a Masters in Philosophy. (In case anyone cares, my thesis concerns the ethical status of hypothetical artificial minds - basically I'm looking at the criteria for ethical value employed with people and in animal ethics, and working out whether that criteria can be met by an artificial intelligence). As far as occupations go, I have a few (being a typical long-term student) - I'm a welder, do some web page design, some internet consultancy, Perl coding, teach ethics and critical thinking to nurses, actually get paid to MOO, work occasionally as a human guinea pig in medical tests and I am a professional Teddy Bear artist. :) I've worked in a few other areas, but they'e the most recent/current ones. Anything to pay for more computers. I started collecting late last year, although I had wanted to for ages. My first computer that I used was my uncle's Microbee - an Australian Z80 kit computer - but I rapidly moved to the TRS-80 Model 1 and Vic-20. Last year I was offered a Lisa 2/5 to save it from being scrapped, so I figured it was about time I went and picked up all the old computers I wanted when I was younger. Mostly I only get Micros, but I do branch out - it seems that I'm getting my first supercomputer soon. :) My current collection consists of (from memory - I'll probably miss a few): Amstrad CPC6128 (x2) and Notepad NC100 Apple ][+, ][e enhanced, ][e platinum, ][c (x6), ][gs, ///+, Lisa 2/5, Mac 512k Atari VCS, 400, 800, 800xl (x2), Portfolio Commodore VIC-20 (x3), 64c (x2), SX-64, 128, PC-10 DEC Microvax II Dick Smith Electronics Wizard, Dick Smith System 80 (x2), VZ-300 Exidy Sorcerer Honeywell Microsystem 6 (I'm still hunting for any information about this one). IBM PC/XT Mattel Intelvision Memotech MTX-500 Microbee 64k Sharp MZ-721 Surwave Amigo Tandy TRS-80 Model 4P, CoCo 1, CoCo 2 Wang 286 And today an OSI Challenger 4P arrived. :) Keen. My bigest wishes at the moment are for a NeXT Cube, and Apple ][c+ and a Spectravideo 318/328. Adam.

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Radio Shack CoCo for sale

by okay＠gte.net

Check out http://home1.gte.net/okay/for_sale.htm This equipment has been in my closet since I got my first PC in '87 I wan't to sell as a package. Gary

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Able DH/DM card info

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

OK, I've figured this is an Able DH/DM card, and it's not at all set right. Anyone have jumper/DIP switch info on thsi? -------

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NEC APC

by cprohman＠ix17.ix.netcom.com

A seach of the Web yields numerous hits on "NEC APC", many of which are >from cable companies. You should have no difficulty in finding cables for the computer. I can tell you that the APC indeed belongs in your museum! If there ever was a machine which stood out as before its time, that is the NEC APC. The monitor was high resolution color (I hope you got the color version) at about 640x480 if I recall. It had a dedicated graphics chip which could do line drawing, curves, etc. It had about a 102 key keyboard. It had a 1MB floppy (8", of course). It had a sound chip and integrated speaker capable of reasonable music. Does yours have a hard drive? The early hard drives were 10MB externals, by the way, so you no doubt have some kind of external connector for that as well. Many of these advanced features later (or much later) were added to the PC. IBM eventually came out with EGA, which nearly matched the APC. With the AT they nearly matched the APC's keyboard (though they still neglected putting an "ENTER" key on the keypad), and surpassed the APC's floppy capacity. It took many years though before the PC added sound cards with better capability than the APC, or graphic accelerators with dedicated graphics chips. Too bad that your APC didn't come with documentation. The APC shipped with the best documentation I have ever seen, including internal schematics, a decription of all internal logical features, and a even a full listing of the BIOS on a disk. The documentation allowed me to write for example an interrupt driven print routine to replace the timing based BIOS print routine. Using my print driver the APC was capable of fully driving a 300LPM printer, or capable of driving a 100cps printer while simultaneously doing a program edit. Try that on an early PC! I hope you got some software. The original disk included a program "BACH", which demonstrated its musical prowess. Later machines shipped with a simple program I gave to NEC called "PLAY" which allowed the machine to play music coded into a text file which listed the notes to be played and the duration of each note. Usage was "PLAY filename". Banjo music worked particularly well. There was also an impressive program that demonstated its color graphics potential. Carl

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Lisa for sale (forward)

by dastar＠wco.com

Reply directly to the author (zzyzx97(a)earthlink.net). Buyer beware. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Path: news.ncal.verio.com!vncnews!HSNX.wco.com!nntp.csuchico.edu!newshub.csu.net!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: zzyzx97(a)earthlink.net (zzyzx) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.marketplace Subject: FS: APPLE LISA Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:11:36 GMT this one is missing the power supply so I don't know if it works. It also has some corrosion on one of the boards, but maybe it can be cleaned....it looks like it can. The plastic has yellowed from being in the sun, but there are no cracks. The keyboard is nice. The mouse is missing the roller ball and the cap that keeps it in place. Sold as-is, please send me your offers. ZZyzx "Me, indecisive? I'm not so sure about that." -- end of forwarded message -- -- Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!

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Sorting arrays(could be considered off-topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

While I am making this program in Visual Basic 5, this problem is way over 10 years old, and the program will be old computer-related. How do I alphabetically sort an array? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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I ran into a wall again...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Closer... I installed the DH11 along with that ACT thing in the 44. Now HARDWR LIST says I have 2 DHes, and a DM. But hanging a terminal off the ACT thing yields absolutely-fscking-NOTHING. I don't have the origional DH11 distribution panel. But I have the wires that are supposed to attach to it... Can I modify a DZ11 distrib panel to use in it's place? Do I need to modify CSRs or something? Oh, and I already tried all possible combinations of cabling 'tween the ACT board and it's panel. On a sidenote: Anyone know how to break into an IBM System/34? -------

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Unix V7

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I just killed 2 hours playing wump under V7 Unix on my 11/83. Just so everyone knows, it runs, but I ave to boot RT-11 and say boot/foreign dl0: to start it... Now, once SCO makes a source liense available, I'm set! It's single user for now... Z -------

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Wanted stuff

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

I've been dorking around with this idea for a while now, and this seems a good lead-in. The basic problem was that the classiccmp web page seems to be permanently dead. Take a look at these URLs... http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/ http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/dwp.html http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/keywords.html and, of course, http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/wanted.html Suggestions are welcome, of course. Cheers, Bill.

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Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-02-28 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :apple //gs and a //c+ to complete my apple ][ collection, mmm, a //gs... yes please here also. the thought of a 16-bit 6502 to play with... :> (yep, even though we have a special affection for the much maligned 286.) as for a //c+ - were they the ones with the 3.5" disk instead of the 5.25"? we saw them in the states, one of the times we went over there (arizona - little hack shop in tucson that had all kinds of old hardware for frankly, silly prices; lots of pcjrs, which we'd also like one of, since they never made it over here) and thought they were cute, but we don't believe they ever crossed the atlantic. was the disk drive the only difference, or were there others & what were they if so? -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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Aaargh! Item identified (BASF HD?)

by weese＠mind.net

previous subject : Can anyone identify this item ? (BASF HD?) > > On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Lynn & Mike wrote: > > > BASF model 6106, part #54670 > > > > Looks like a HD, connected to a floppy with a > > ribbon cable, which then goes to the motherbd. > > Found in what appears to be a homebrew TRS80-type > > puter with LNW expansion board. > > So this morning I walked past the Beast & noticed that what I had thought was a solid panel had an inner part that was open, hinged at the top, the little black raised rectangle at the bottom had gotten pushed & the door had popped open, & I pulled a 5 1/4" disk out of it....... (duh) ---mikey

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Wanted stuff (Was: Pretty good week)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Hi, Tony. You're up late too :-) Seems we have quite a lot in common :-) > I don't know if I have a spare one, but I can trivially copy the EPROM > from the one in my Acorn System - I know where that is. That would be great. What size EPROM shall I send you? Can you see if you can find the Flex disk one day, as well? > I am looking for some of the Acorn user manuals/schematics from that > period - I think I need the 6502 CPU schematic, and the 80 column VDU > schematics/manual. It wouldn't be hard to reverse engineer them, though. I'll photocopy any of those I've got for you. Mail me a list. > Oh, and I have some kind of user I/O card in one of my Atoms that looks > as though it belongs in a System. It's easy to fit such cards to my Atom, since it's missing the bottom half of the case :-) > I know I have the 6809 manual, the Acorn DOS manual (including the disk > controller schematics), the Econet manual (System + Atom econet info), etc. Was the Acorn DOS for the Atom or 6502-based System? I assume the 6809 ran some variant of Flex? > I have a PromPro8X which does most 27xx from the 2716 onwards, and also > the bipolar and PAL modules for it. The latter only does the MMI Pals, > though. Then I have a homebrew (Elektor) GAL programmer, an Intel UPP > (2708's and 2716's), an Intel MCS8i (1702's), a Softy 1 (2708's again), a > strange thing which does upto the 2732 (including the 2708 and the 3-rail > 2716) based on an SCMP - and the 8-way copier that goes with it, etc. Hmmm... I still have the Softy-1 schematics, and I'm sure that uses an SC/MP. > One day I'll buy a modern universal programmer, but not yet... I had a Softy-1 and I wish I still did, since not many programmers do the 3-rail devices these days. Now I have a little box that sits on the 1MHz bus (it was meant for a BBC B but I have it on my Archimedes 440 now) which does 2716 - 27128, and I use a little adaptor for 27256/27512. The Department has two S3's and an S4, which I'm occasionally allowed to borrow, since they do up to 27400x. I came across a pair of 1702's in a pile of junk a few weeks ago. they're getting rare, now. I also have all the bits to build the Elektor GAL programmer (Manfred Nosswitz's design). First I'm going to redo the PCB layout, as I intend to incorporate the daughter board (for the updated version) on the same PCB, and possibly use a different DAC (the original one is a rarity, and expensive). I have the disk for the s/ware as well, but I wish I could get the source -- it grieves me to have to run it on a PC instead of a real computer. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 28, 19:10, Tony Duell wrote: > > The first machine I owned was a Sorcerer; I still have one (not the same > > one, sadly) and I'd love to get the WP Pac and the DevPac (or copy of the > > code) to replace those I sold nearly two decades ago. > > Again, I'd really have to hunt for it, but I think I have the word > processor ROMs somewhere.... I'll send you some 2716's :-) > I know I have (and I know where it is) the technical manual for the > sorcerer and the S100 expansion box if you need any info. I may have sold the original machine, but I wasn't daft enough to let the tech manuals (as opposed to user guides) go with it. :-) In fact, I have both versions of the tech manual, plus the software manual, and the S100 manual. About two years ago, I used the Sorcerer for some serious development work -- debugging the code for an embedded Z80 -- and I updated the monitor ROMs. Gosh, was there ever a lot of redundant junk in there! It must have been cut-and-pasted out of something else, I reckon. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Hi, Tony. Thanks for the response. I can't do much about it over the next two weeks, because I'm 12 days from dissertation hand in (with, naturally, four weeks work to do), but I'm certainly interested. > Well, I have one (or maybe 2) 6809 CPU boards from Acorn... > > Do you insist on an 'original' EPROM, or would a copy in a new 27xx be > OK? I have an EPROM programmer, you see, and I'm pretty sure Acorn > wouldn't mind after all these years, especially not for restoring a machine. > > Also, do you need schematics/ROM source for the 6809 board? I have those > as well, I think. > > It would take me _months_ to find it, but I may have a Flex boot disk for > the 6809 Acorn machine. I'd love a 6809 board. I have the User Manual (and some others from similar era) and the Eurocard schematics (as you may remember). I don't think I have the ROM source, so that would be nice. I do have a rather nice Eurocard rack (empty, cost me a fiver, and that was only because it had a nice PSU). I'd like to build a floppy add-on for the 6809 (I have the schematics for Acorn's one, and I think I even have the parts), so the Flex boot disk would be a goodie. I don't care if any of the firmware/software is original or an "off-site backup". Since I worked for Acorn, I can assure you they wouldn't care about copying such old stuff (unless it was ridiculously blatant for-profit misuse). I copy ROMs myself, all the time -- there's nothing worse than finding it's the ROM/PROM/PAL that's died in some old board, so I like to make copies of anything I get, for security. Yes, I know some manufacturers dislike that, but I've had two bad experiences trying to track down replacements. I have a 27xxx programmer of my own, but I wish I could persuade the Department to let me keep the MicroPross programmer (the one that knows how to program every TTL PROM, almost every 27xx, 27xx, 28xx EPROM, and umpteen PALs). It may be ten years old, but I've not seen anything else with a quarter of the performance. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 28, 22:47, lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk wrote: > hmm. did the acorn 32016 workstation ever emerge, or did the arch > effectively replace that concept? Yes, they first appeared a the Acorn Cambridge Workstation (ACW) which was basically a BBC B-plus board inside a wierd monitor-type case, with a Microvitec 14" colour monitor, a custom PSU, a 5.25" 80-track floppy, a 20MB winchester, a 32016 with 4MB of RAM, and a LOT of metalwork. They didn't make many; I had one for a while (I worked for Acorn) but passed it on to a dealer eventually (idiot!). I've since seen two or three others. There were some other similar-looking machines in the range. For example, the ABC -- Acorn Business Computer, a Z80 instead of the 32016; and one with a 80186 and DR-DOS. Both were axed very quickly. I've still got some of the bumf for those... There was also a Second Processor version in a small box, as an add-on to a BBC Micro. That came in two versions, one had 512K of memory (IIRC) and the other had 4MB (same as the ACW). They ran the same firmware/software as the ACW, including PANOS, a sort of cross between Unix and Flex, with hints of UCSD. The Second Processor version remained in production for several years, eventually being available as an add-in for the Master 128 which replaced the BBC Micro (this version was called the Master Sientific, but it was just the same item). I've still got the glossies for those, too... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-02-27 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :> ah, if we're going to get on to the "what do i wish for?" list... :Well, I don't recomend killing me to get your hands on my little :collection... And I rarely sell machines. never dream of it (unless of course, you were to flip and unload your entire collection into the nearest municipal dump. *then*, you'd be targeted... but that isn't going to happen ;> ;> ) :> any system based on the 32xxx (a ceres would be nice, but we doubt :> they're available...) :More practically, there are still a number of Whitechapel MG1's :about. Repairing one is not hard - the main problem is the NiCd :battery used for starting it. A Technical manual does exist... hmm. did the acorn 32016 workstation ever emerge, or did the arch effectively replace that concept? :> a linn rekursiv (wouldn't you? ;> ) :Ooooh... Now that's a machine I don't have, and would like! very rare though. linn only ever used them in-house, and god knows if they are still in use. :What about a Zilog 8000 ? It was/is (there's at least one still :operational) a Z8000-based unix box. Mine has an SMD disk didn't know about it. it'd be nice to find one, though. the processor is more important to us than the box it come in. (except that we would really love an olivetti, just because they're so ugly they wrap around into cuteness ;> ) oh, add a sirius one to the list; we forgot it. :> a perq :Does the fact that you've listed 'perq' about 4 times mean that you :want one from each series? no, it means we want one about 4 times as much as we want anything else. :> an original cp/m system or three (hm systems; the minstrel always :> appealed) :What do you mean by 'original'? If you mean a machine designed to :run CP/M, then there must still be some RML 380Z's (very solid UK :CP/M machines used in schools) about. Ditto for DEC rainbows, :Amstrads (although I don't like those myself), BBC Z80 second :processors, Epson QX10's (IMHO one of the nicest CP/M machines ever :built), etc. designed as a cp/m box is about the closest, but what we really meant was the other definition of original - the one that's a couple of steps either side of weird. :Just out of curiousity, why aren't you looking for the following :machines? :DEC PDP8, PDP11, Vax, any other PDP's? we must have deleted the line we were going to put in that said "any pdp that isn't 8 or 11". not an 8, because we want to write a simulator for that first; not an 11, because - well, it just strikes us that everyone's got an 11... :AMT DAP (Distributed Array Processor) how could we program it effectively? we wouldn't refuse one if it came along, but it isn't something for which we'd actively go looking. :Anything transputer-based what was/is there? did the ATW ever happen? :The Xerox D-machines (somewhat PERQ-like in many ways) rarity, didn't think these ever escaped from xerox. obviously if we were offered a dolphin or (mmmmm) a dorado we'd jump at it, but why break your heart because you can't get something that it's impossible to get? :Torch XXX, quadX, etc on the "refuse but not actively chase" list. :Tiger. Now there's a strange machine.. A Z80 + 64K RAM, a 6809 + 8K :RAM, RS232, parallel, cassette ports, 1200/75 baud modem, 7220 :graphics chip + 96K RAM, etc, etc, etc. It was going to be sold as :a home computer... didn't know of its existence - more information please...? -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[kip crosby] :>> a linn rekursiv (wouldn't you? ;> ) :Okay. Now, one person mentioning this is one thing, but Tony coming :back and knowing what it IS (even though it's Tony) is too much for :me. Given the name Linn and the funny spelling, I keep thinking :this is something like a turntable, but if so, why mention it here? :What is it? it's in the "great microprocessors" list, although it was a single-board computer rather than an mpu. exact details slip our memory at the moment, but the history is that the chairman of linn (yes, the company who make the turntables) wanted a computer system to replace the ageing systems already automating his production line. being something of a techie, he analysed the available systems, but none of them did what he wanted; so basically, they designed their own. what they came up with was the machine that the intel 432 should have been - the architecture of it was completely object-oriented, even down to the handle:offset-based addressing. a lot of oo mechanisms were done in hardware, there as no concept of linear address space, and the machine ran under the steam of its own language, lingo (used in at least one academic book on oo - we read it during our degree course - and afawk not related to the inferno project, although it's possible...). there was a byte article on it somewhere too (dick pountain). sorry for the vagueness. we'd recommend looking at the great cpus list for better detail. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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16 bit 6502?! No, you don't want it... trust me!

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

>mmm, a //gs... yes please here also. the thought of a 16-bit 6502 to >play with... :> (yep, even though we have a special affection for the >much maligned 286.) Having spent 2 years programming the 65816, believe me you DON'T want to play with a 16 bit 6502!!!! The memories, the memories.... There was a processor dog if ever I saw one. Interpretation of opcodes was dependant on the mode the processor was set to, and so if you branched to a section of code when you were in the wrong mode, results were... screwy. All sorts of wierd and wonderful things when you switched modes; for example switching from 16 bit accumulator to 8 bit cleared the high byte, but switching the index registers the same.... didn't. It was a very painful time in my life :) A

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Apple Basic

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-02-28 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :Eh, heh. :So how do I get a modulus in Apple basic? The answer is not 'MOD' :or '%'. try A - INT(A/B) * B. certainly on our collection of homies the MOD concept just didn't exist, so you had to cheat. why? well, some of those basics didn't use integer math, and there's not much call for a MOD function in floating point. on the other hand, you could get yourself a real language like forth... ;> ;> -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

::Torch XXX, quadX, etc :on the "refuse but not actively chase" list. hmm. please, insert a "don't" in the obvious place... -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[tony duell] :But there's very few similarities between (say) the PDP8, :the PDP10 and the PDP11. having read up on these, we'd beg to differ here. it seems to us that all the pdps followed a very definite architectural pattern, with the exception of the pdp11 which struck us as a major departure (the dg nova has more in common with the early pdps than the pdp11, to our mind). ok, so they weren't anything like binary compatible (well, between families - there was the 5,8,12; the 1; the 4,7,9; the 6,10; and then the nova / eclipse. all were basically accumulator-plus-memory architectures, it seems, even the 6 and 10; all had simple, regular, but very powerful instruction sets with minimal formatting and all instructions in one word (if you view the 6 word size as 18 bits and call it a double word machine :> ) - we can discern a very distinct family resemblance on the way up. the pdp11 marked a major change, from a 1-address to a 2-address architecture. we aren't sure it was a good thing... anyway, the pdp8 is much more similar to the 10 than either is to the 11. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

I might as well add my list: apple //gs and a //c+ to complete my apple ][ collection, tandy 102 disk drive a replacement floppy drive for my mac IIcx apple lisa david

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Pretty good week

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

On 1998-02-27 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk :Here, take my 10 year old copy of Minix. BTW, is anybody up to :speed on the current state of Minix? I have an itch to run *ix on :a 128K 8086 box, and it doesn't look like ELKS is ready for prime :time. minix is onto version 2 now; it's going the way of all unices by the looks of things. (kernel cpu detection, 32-bit mode, ram preferences listed in the megabytes region..) if you want to run it on a 128k system, best stick with that 10 year old copy. or rewrite uzi to run. btw... does anybody have a copy of the 16-bit coherent that they'd like to pass on? any version, the older the better. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

[andrew] :To everyone: Some judicious snipping of quoted email replies would :make it MUCH easier to read, and really is common net-etiquette agreed, but there's the balance between snipping enough to compress it significantly, and leaving enough in so that those without threaded newsreaders (and on mailing lists) will be able to make sense of it. -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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Future Computing Trends

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I agree wholeheartedly with all you say with one exception. I have a Pentium 75 overclocked to 100, 16MB ram. It runs Word 95 just fine, and ran it fine when it had 8MB. Visual Basic and IE4 (I don't use it regulary, Opera at www.operasoftware.com is much better: 1MB download!) work fine too. I can only imagine how Linux would run. But to put this in a classical context, I agree that old computers are still useful, but I so wish that they had better displays :) >Here's an interesting article from Byte magazine: > >http://www.byte.com/art/9802/sec5/art1.htm > >It talks about how computers are becoming obsolete the day you buy them >due to all the crazy new technologies being released into the market. My >observation is that anyone who chases technology and is always upgrading >to the latest and greatest is always going to have an "obsolete" computer. >The situation is not as bad as the article makes it out to be, not that >the article is actually saying the speed of new technology introductions >is a problem. But if people could be satisfied with what they have on >their desk, this issue of obsolescense would not be an issue at all. > >In 1995 I bought a Pentium-90 system which I clocked up to 100Mhz. It >came with Windows 3.1 but I quickly upgraded to Win95. It originally had >16MB RAM (which I've since upgraded to 32M) and a 1GB HD. It has a 5.25" >and 3.5" floppy and a CD-ROM drive. I'll soon be adding another 540MB HD >I have lying around spare, and then a 1.7GB SCSI HD as soon as I find a >SCSI cable. It's slow by today's standard, but the damn thing works. I >use an old version of Microsoft Works (3.0) for my word processing and >spread sheeting; some people haven't even heard of Works! They only know >Word. But Works loads instantly, whereas Word takes it seems forever to >load which is why I don't use it. Plus its bloated and drags my system >down. > >Which brings me to my point. The computers we collect are still so damn >useful! And this is not a new argument, but even though these old >machines don't have SVGA and EDO RAM and Ultra-SCSI and other new-fangled >fanciness, they still work! They can still process words, and crunch >numbers and hold information. And best of all, they play games MUCH more >fun than the current cache of cathartic creations; DOOM was novel when I >first played it, but every other incantation after it (DOOM II, QUAKE, >DUKE NUKEM, ETC) is the same game with a different "scenario" and >graphics, and that damn bobbing up and down makes me sick anyway! > >Give me Choplifter, Rescue Raiders or Dino Eggs any day! > >If you read the article carefully it gives a glimpse of the types of >machines that may be collectible in ten years or so. The article proposes >the dawn of the age of the "disposable" computer. This is totally >ridiculous. I cannot even relate to that mode of thinking. But on the >positive side, it means disgustingly cheap (and probably FREE) computers >10, 5, even 1(!) year(s) from now. More cheap PCs for us to run Linux on! >(Imagine having your own DLA [Distributed Linux Array] consisting of 16 or >more 300Mhz Pentium II PC, alls for just a song! You could break >government encryption with something like that :) > >People these days with their 333Mhz Pentiums with 128MB RAM and 4GB >harddrives should shut the hell up and be happy. > >Long live "obsolete" computers. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass > > Coming Soon...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Oops!

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

This is an open note to all readers in this list... Sorry about the gruf comments regarding the message on the PS/2 boards I have for sale, it was intended to be a sarcastic remark and to the person that wrote it, not open on the list. As for the moderator of this area I wish to apologize for monopolizing on the messages of stuff for sale. I have a bunch to clear out and should really stay with the topic of the older stuff I might have. If anyone is interested in this older stuff I have please email an inquiry. I'm getting choked with things I've saved from the landfill so that collectors and hobbyists can enjoy them and I don't get them for free so please don't expect to get them free either. I'm making a few cents on this stuff and don't plan on getting rich on it and try to set a fair price on these things to help other collectors out. My "business" (however corporate or formal it may appear) is a one man part time thing to clear a few bucks to upgrade my equipment and eventually become full time. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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by TOwad＠aol.com

While we're making want lists, I'm interested in the following: Apple II Apple IIc+ Mac 128k Mac Portable interesting Apple/Mac stuff anything Lisa related TRS-80 Model 100 stuff I have for trade: 2 white Commodore 64's w/power supply 1 beige Commodore 64 in original box w/manual & floppy drive 1 Commodore Vic 20 w/cartridges 1 CoCo 1 w/original kb 1 CoCo 1 w/modified kb 1 Apple IIe 1 AppleColor 12" RGB monitor (for IIgs) 1 Laser 128 Apple II compatible Tom Owad

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PS/2 55SX motherboards

by hbrody＠ix.netcom.com

55SX boards are available for $7.00 each in the wholesale mags. bye! ---------- > From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: PS/2 55SX motherboards > Date: Saturday, February 28, 1998 12:06 PM > > Have a bunch of PS/2 model 55SX motherboards in the "Reply" boxes in > great condition for sale or trade. Will sell separately for $25 each or > will work a better price for multiples. I'll also trade for equal value > of cdroms, sound cards, parity SIMMs in 30 or 72 pin for other machines > I'm working on. Of course shipping is extra but these are light. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Russ Blakeman > RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 > Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 > Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com > Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ > > * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >

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What is this? XEROX 820

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I found a XEROX 820 in a trift store today. Can anyone tell me what it is? It has a base unit with a built in monitor. It has four ports on it. One connects to a daul 5 1/4" disks drives in an external box. Another connects to a separate keyboard. The other two are for a serial port and printer port. Joe

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Pretty good week

by lisard＠zetnet.co.uk

:Re: where to find them. You guys should be down here in Florida. :I find so many that I have to pick and choose. I left behind 4 :AT&T 3B2s, a NeXt, an AT&T 6300, 2 HP Appollos and 2 HP 9000/300s :yesterday. All of that was at a GSA auction at KSC. I did get a :COMPLETE Commodeore Pet set and a Vax Station 3100 for Zane. ok, so are there any jobs going in florida for cocky ex-pat limeys with a neat line in web development and a passion for tiny programs...? :> we'll have to start digging around at the computer auctions in this country - anyone recommend any firms worth talking to? -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive

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Walnut Creek CP/M CDROM Discontinued

by bwit＠pobox.com

My copy does not list any credits except for Walnut Creek. Walnut Creek CDROM Suite 260 1547 Palos Verdes Mall Walnut Creek, CA. 94596 (510) 674-0783 info(a)cdrom.com Bob ---------- From: John Foust[SMTP:jfoust@threedee.com] Sent: Friday, February 27, 1998 9:40 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Walnut Creek CP/M CDROM Discontinued Walnut is a CD publisher. Unless they assembled the disc themselves, then someone else assembled the data and may own the (collection copyright) rights to reproduction of new CDs. Of course, they may be looking for a new publisher, or may try to publish it themselves. Walnut probably dropped it for lack of sales. They like to see at least 1,000 copies sold a month. If you own a copy of the old CD, check the credits and I'm sure you can track down the creator. Or ask Walnut Creek. They might tell you. It's more cost-effective and less risky these days to do short-run CDs on CD-R. Still, all-told you can get 1,000 "real" CDs for $800-$1,500, depending on which options you want. - John Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

> To everyone: Some judicious snipping of quoted email replies would make it > MUCH easier to read, and really is common net-etiquette these days. Indeed so. I was amazed at how full my mail spool got today. > Me, I'm open to trades - I have a spare Exidy Sorcerer and assorted > oddities. The first machine I owned was a Sorcerer; I still have one (not the same one, sadly) and I'd love to get the WP Pac and the DevPac (or copy of the code) to replace those I sold nearly two decades ago. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 27, 23:15, Tony Duell wrote: > > an original archimedes, with the original arthur os and the gui in basic > > Hmm... I still have my Arthur programmer's reference manuals, but I doubt > I could find a set of the ROMs, alas... Well, I'm pretty sure I have a spare set of Arthur ROMs; I *should* have two sets of Arthur ROMs plus one set of Arthur EPROMs, from Archimedes A310 Serial No. 27-AKB10-1000002. Which is still running, but now with RISC OS 2.00, and a few extras like a hard disk, extra RAM, and a network connection... If I do have spares, I might be persuaded to exchange them for some 6809 firmware for an Acorn System board. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Pascal System

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<The UCSD p system used a nonstandard disk format technique, the floppy <was formatted in "blocks" and you booted the systeem off the a drive. <It wasn't just a language, but an entire operating system/environment. <I still have a copy of it around here somewhere from a class I took in <the early 80's. This was largely true for the z80based and PDP-11 based versions as well. I still have the P-system for horizon single density. The language addressed "units" as devices. The standard ones: unit volume -------------- 1 console: 2 systerm: 3 graphic: 4 <volume name> system disk 5 <volume name> alternate disk 6 printer 8 REMOTE: system peripherals 9-12 <VOLUME NAME> ADDITIONAL DRIVES Now if the code for the system interface didn't go beyond 2 floppy devices your cooked as that was a p-system hard coded thing. Allison

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Looking for 3" disks

by dcoward＠pressstart.com

> > Mattel Aquarius with Mini-expander and two game controllers in excellent > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > These mini expanders are like mondo-rare. I don't think I've ever > actually seen one. While I'm thinking about it, does anyone know where I can get any blank 3" disks (for a Mattel Aquarius QD drive)? ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum =========================================

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Wanted stuff (and a donation for schools) (Was: Pretty good week)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I won't be left out either. I don't really want anything uncommon, and, even though I would like to be able to get minis, I move frequently and don't know about space, etc. until I get there. Anyay, here's my wish list: Apple ][ Stuff Cards, systems, I'll take it. Comodore stuff Don't have any, but have heard only good stuff. What most would call "worthless PC junk" OK, I'm a PC user. They're pretty nice, if you get down to it. I'll take it. Classic (non classic) Mac stuff I'm a PC user, but one that can change. ;-) Anyway, start at (near) the bottom, work you way to the top. And: A SMALL (less than 100MB would be fine!) IDE HDD, as I really need to get that computer back!!! (From my school, pretty nice AMD DX 40, 16MB RAM, and no HDD.) Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

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HP-48SX memory card for sale.

by KFergason＠aol.com

Is the HP48 10 years old yet? A guy at work has a HP-48SX 128K memory card he would like to get rid of. Is this worth anything? The maker seems to be Corvallis. And, in the serendipity department, I lucked in to a TI59 with the PC100C printer at work. Nobody knew what to do with it, and they couldn't get it to work. "Well, since you are gonna throw it away, let me just take it off your hands...". Which brings up the question, are the old TI's hard to find? Anyone collect them? I have my old 55, 55II, both of which died after a few years. This 59 still works, which makes me think it wasn't used much. I don't know, just rambling. Kelly KFergason(a)aol.com

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PrintMaster Gold 3.0 FS

by rhblake＠bbtel.com

Have a copy of PrintMaster Gold Publishing Suite 3 for sale. Includes original manual and cdrom. Great condition, has tons of grpahics, clipart, examples and includes extra fonts and graphics on disk. This program does everything including TALK! Cards, banners, leterhead, business cards, faxes, etc. Requires 486 or higher processor and Windows 3.1x or 95. Originally over $50 will take $25 shipped in the lower 48 states. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Russ Blakeman RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144 Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991 Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/ * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers* --------------------------------------------------------------------

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