- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

Hi, I was just wondering on the rarity of DEC's PDPx machines - I gather that '11s are still pretty common (relatively!), but what about earlier machines in the line? Also - what did PDP stand for? (I don't expect that "Portable" came into it ;*) Sorry for the dumb question - I grew up with classic 8-bit micros and 32-bit Unix machines - shame I missed out on some of the big old boxes, they sound like fun (if a bit impractical from a storage point of view!! :) cheers Jules

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Unusual find

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Hi, I just found a book Titled Odyssey Pepsi to Apple by John Sculley. It is the advance copy from uncorrected manuscript. How often do anyone of you run into that kind of print? Here is what it says on the cover: This is an advance copy from uncorrected manuscript. The regular edition will be hardcover. Reviewers are reminded that changes may be made in this manuscript copy before books are printed. If any material from the book is to be quoted in a review, the quotation should be checked against the final bound book. A final chapter, The Second Renaissance, is not included in this reading copy. It will appear in the printed book. Harper & Row, Publishers, New York. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

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Backwater areas Was: Re: Cross listing Ebay items

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:37 PM 6/16/98 +0100, you wrote: >> Say a real goodie shows up, like a perfect DEC Straight-8 or an unbuilt >> Altair kit. Assume the price is good, like $250 for either. Assume that >> you have the time and a working car, plus a loved one that will not scream >> too much. Assume that the current owner can not ship the thing. How many >> miles would you go? Well, hereabouts, I go 35 miles each way to and from work, and mine is not an exceptionally long commute. (I know folks who do ~70 miles each way in traffic.) (Heck, my sister does 60-70 miles each way just for an hour or two.) My problem is not so much distance as it is time. I'd gladly do a week-end trip to, say, Los Angeles (~500 miles), for most anything, if I didn't have to spend the time a) working, b) with my dad, c) with my girlfriend or d) sleeping (ha!). Mostly, though, I send my aforementioned sister to get things for me (she drove from SF to San Diego, back to Disneyland, and back to SF in about 30 hours -- with about 8 hours at Disneyland and 8 or so in San Diego. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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back on topic (was: Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...))

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:39 PM 6/15/98 +0300, you wrote: > As for the Sega, Windows CE's OK for what I want it for: Simple eMail. >No graphics, no attachments. I don't want Windows CE freezing up my game If all you want is simple e-mail, no graphics, no attachments, why spend $500+ on a wince machine? Get yerself a 8088/286/386 laptop from ebay and use a shell account. Or, if you need ppp connectivity, use one of the DOS-based ones running around. Btw, everybody, if you're thinking of putting "(OT)" in your subject, DON'T SEND IT TO ClassicCmp! Those of us that care about new tech are on mailing lists/newsgroups related to what we're interested in; the rest don't care and don't want to see it. There are appropriate forums for questions on Linux, Win95, Wince, Pentiums, etc. This ain't them! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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FW: DECStation 5000/200's available

by kyrrin＠jps.net

They're coming out of the woodwork today. Contact this fellow directly if you're interested. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On 16 Jun 1998 15:23:24 GMT, in comp.unix.ultrix you wrote: >>From: jorgnsn(a)qucis.queensu.ca (John Jorgensen) >>Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix >>Subject: was someone looking for a DECstation 5000/200? >>Date: 16 Jun 1998 15:23:24 GMT >>Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University >>Lines: 15 >>Message-ID: <6m62lc$d56$1(a)knot.queensu.ca> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: quidnunc.qucis.queensu.ca >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!news.sisna.com!news-kc-17.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!kone!news.ccs.queensu.ca!jorgnsn >> >>I seem to remember a message posted a few days ago by someone who was >>looking for a DECstation 5000/200. We're de-commissioning a student lab >>full of DECstations, but I wasn't sure of the model numbers. Now I've >>confirmed that there are five 5000/200s among the workstations that are being >>retired, but the original article has been expired. >> >>So if there is somebody out there who is looking for DECstation 5000/200s, >>drop me a line. >> >> >> >>-- >> >>John Jorgensen jorgnsn(a)qucis.queensu.ca (613) 545 6784 >>System Administrator, Dept. of Computing Science, Queen's University -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

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FW: Value of DECStation 5000's?

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Looks like another opportunity to get some decent DEC hardware. Please contact this fellow directly if interested. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:40:53, in comp.sys.dec you wrote: >>From: gcg1(a)psu.edu (Gary Gentzel) >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec >>Subject: Value of DECStation 5000's? >>Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:40:53 >>Organization: CAC >>Lines: 15 >>Message-ID: <gcg1.47.0025D051(a)psu.edu> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: ggentzel.oas.psu.edu >>X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!feeder.qis.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!ggentzel.oas.psu.edu!gcg1 >> >>Our department is considering what to do with two DECStations. Could anyone >>give me a ballpark figure on what these systems may be worth? Here are the >>specs, as best as I can tell: >> >>5000/125: 16MB RAM, 3-1/2" floppy, BA42 Storage Expansion box containing TZK10 >>tape drive and 426 MB RZ25 hard drive. VR297-DA 17" monitor. >> >>5000/240: 32 or 64MB RAM, BA42A storage expansion box containing 426 MB RZ25 >>hard drive and RRD42 CD-ROM. TK50Z tape drive unit. VRT16-HA 17" monitor. >> >>Any help would be appreciated.... >> >>Gary Gentzel >>Penn State University Administrative Systems >>gcg1(a)psu.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

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FW: FREE MicroVax II and Vaxstation II/RC

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Heads up, California scroungers! Found this on Usenet. Fellow's got some freebies in the southland, and they look promising! Please contact him directly if you're interested. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:57:52 +0000, in comp.sys.dec you wrote: >>From: "Eugene Dale Tyler" <evx(a)world.sxv.com> >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec >>Subject: FREE MicroVax II and Vaxstation II/RC >>Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:57:52 +0000 >>Organization: None at all >>Lines: 19 >>Distribution: World >>Message-ID: <rqgjbeyqfgqpbz.eullkg2.pminews(a)news.ni.net> >>Reply-To: "Eugene Dale Tyler" <evx(a)world.sxv.com> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: edtserv.tylerent.com >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Newsreader: PMINews 2.00.0140 For OS/2 >>X-No-Archive: Yes >>Path: blushng.jps.net!news.eli.net!news.burgoyne.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!nntp.ni.net!not-for-mail >> >>Hello, >> >>I am scapping a MicroVax-II (TS05/TK50/RA81) and a >>Vaxstation II/RC with a b/w monitor (VR260AA). >> >>They are located in Laguna Niguel, CA. You must arrange >>pickup. >> >>If you are interested, e-mail me at the mangled address: >> >>evx(a)world,sxv.com >> >>Regards, >> >>Dale >>Change 'x' to 't' and 'v' to 'd' to reconstruct my e-mail address >>This inconvience brought to you by the net-scum of the world. >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272) http://table.jps.net/~kyrrin -- also kyrrin [A-t] Jps {D=o=t} Net Spam is bad. Spam is theft of service. Spam wastes resources. Don't spam, period. I am a WASHINGTON STATE resident. Spam charged $500.00 per incident per Chapter 19 RCW.

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

What did WYSE use in their machines? UNIX, no less? > >>> >>> Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port? >>> Apple - A/UX >>> IBM - AIX >>> MS - Xenix >>> AT&T - UNIX >>> DEC? >> >>DEC - Ultrix ? > >Ultrix-11 >Ultrix-32 (later renamed Ultrix, when the -11 version was retired) > >There's also a VENIX for the PRO series.. > > Megan Gentry > Former RT-11 Developer > >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ >| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | >| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | >| Digital Equipment Corporation | | >| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | >| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | >| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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PDP-8 available in NJ

by mbg＠world.std.com

>There are plenty of surplus PDP-8s and PDP-11's only a hundred miles >from here. Practically new, but one catch: Slightly used....only nuked >once. > >As a bit of trivia, PDPs (8s/10s/11s) were the preferred machine at the >nuclear test site in Nevada. They were used for (expendable) >instrumentation very close to ground zero. Quite a few were converted >into plasma. A friend of mine (through DECUS symposia) who work(ed?) at Sandia National labs told me about what they did with them... There would be a pdp-11 down the hole with the device, connected via Ethernet to another pdp-11 with core, topside in a van. When the device was set off, the signals from the now-very-fried-11 would race the fireball up the hole where the data would be stored in core. (The speed of the advancing fireball could be somewhat determined by using TDR on the ethernet cable :-) When the shockwave hit the van, it would go bouncing across the desert until it came to rest. If was able to, it would continue recording information. If not, they came along at a later time and pulled the core plane and installed it in another machine where they would try to read it.

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by mbg＠world.std.com

>> >> Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port? >> Apple - A/UX >> IBM - AIX >> MS - Xenix >> AT&T - UNIX >> DEC? > >DEC - Ultrix ? Ultrix-11 Ultrix-32 (later renamed Ultrix, when the -11 version was retired) There's also a VENIX for the PRO series.. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

>On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Tony Duell wrote: > >> > Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port? >[...] >> DEC - Ultrix ? > >Don't forget Eunice! OK, maybe it's better that you forget. Eunice wasn't a DEC product, though. It was done by the folks who eventually became The Wollongong Group. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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MS using Linux (OT)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

On www.osnews.com, it turns out that MS put up a Linux server, linus.microsoft.com. THe fun part is that the next day they took it down, probably so that no one would notice it was ever up (guess courtesy of OSNews) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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ok, end of OT, but thanks!

by peacock＠simconv.com

No, they don't. The Nagant (7.62x 64) has a groove diameter of .310" and uses a .311"-.312" size bullet. whoa, didn't know about the Nagant, better check the book next time. Friend has an old WW I surplus one, I think he's reloading the wrong size. It uses the .303 Brit instead?

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Sunburnt yellow plastic! > >John Higginbotham wrote: >> >> Even better: The Naughty Noughties ;) >> >> At 06:10 PM 6/15/98 -0700, Roger Ivie wrote: >> >> Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates all known >> >> forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the first decade? >> >> I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck >> >> are we supposed to pronounce it? >> > >> >The noughties, obviously. > >Well, the 1900-1909 period is called "the Mauve Decade" in literature. >Let's pick a new color. >-- >Ward Griffiths >They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. >Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. > Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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PDP-8 available in NJ

by peacock＠simconv.com

> What's with all this rhetorical nonsense about going on long treks to acquire PDP-8s? Here's a real -8 for some lucky resident of New Jersey. Long treks? I thought it was only a few hundred miles. Around here (Mojave desert) that won't even get you to the next town. Heck, in the right direction that won't even get you out of the county. There are plenty of surplus PDP-8s and PDP-11's only a hundred miles >from here. Practically new, but one catch: Slightly used....only nuked once. As a bit of trivia, PDPs (8s/10s/11s) were the preferred machine at the nuclear test site in Nevada. They were used for (expendable) instrumentation very close to ground zero. Quite a few were converted into plasma. Jack Peacock

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port? <Apple - A/UX <IBM - AIX <MS - Xenix <AT&T - UNIX <DEC? <DR? DEC ported ULTRIX which is close to BSD unix to both PDP11 and VAX. DR? I don't think so. which is which?: Venix Zenix Xenix What and who for those. Allison

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Couldn't be more OT if it tried! Re: (OT, in a way...)

by peacock＠simconv.com

-----Original Message----- > Well if you want to be exact, the .308 and 7.62mm rounds are two >different things! .308 is the commercial designation and 7.62mm is the >military designation and the two rounds are slightly different. Many There are numerous .30 caliber rifles and pistols. I was referring to the diameter. There is the .30-06 (WW I/II vintage), the .308 (late 50's, early Vietnam vintage, NATO), the 7.62x39 (Russian, Korea to present), the .30-30 (the famous lever action Winchester of the late 1800s), the .300 Savage (first rifle to exceed 2000 fps, also late 1800s), the .30 M1 carbine (WW II vintage), the .300 Winchester Magnum, the 7.62 Nagant, etc. All use the same basic diameter .308 bullet.

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Zenith All-In-One ?

by cgregory＠lrbcg.com

Anyone ever hear of a Zenith All-in-One ? I can probably get one (damaged) for shipping costs, but I am wondering if it would be even worth that (a couple thousand miles). Thanks, Cliff Gregory cgregory(a)lrbcg.com

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Collectable Old Microsoft Stuff

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I have what looks like the first MS version, since it has no version number. Won't run on anything, I think the disk is bad. >> - Flight Simulator v1.0 > >Wasn't that a SubLogic product? > >> - Windows 1.03 > >What about version 1.0? > > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 06/11/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Oops.. I parsed RA82 as RA81. Ignore that.

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

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RA82: Does it need...?

by kyrrin＠jps.net

Does the DEC RA82 drive need to see an active SDI controller in order to spin up without a FAULT light? I know that RL02's needed power on the controller before their FAULT indicators would clear. I ask because I've spun up my RA81. It sounds OK -- positions the heads, etc. -- but it displays FAULT and diagnostic LEDs 3 & 4 (I think -- it might be 2 & 3) once it reaches operating speed. That, of course, is with the I/O cables flying in the breeze. Inquiring minds, especially those who are going to make a MicroVAXen available in the near future, wish to know! ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Couldn't be more OT if it tried! Re: (OT, in a way...)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

For the VMS hacks out there... $Set mode/farce=comdey <Note to self: Do not, I repeat DO NOT disgruntle members of the classiccm <mailing list! They are dangerous gun toting mercenaries! :) Mercenaries, never...unless your going to scrap that machine! Where I lived in PA the, "2 double aught, 6" would have the 2 dropped as in the then present reference to 1998 would be back "in nineteen and ninty eight". Allison, Who totes a 12ga to avoid ambiguity! ;) $Set mode/farce=inactive

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Fixing "old" (but not quite classic) IDE and MFM drives?

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

While we're on this subject. . . Does anyone out there have a copy of SpeedStor that can access Storage Dimensions old 8-bit scsi host adaptors? (Specifically, the DataCannon 800). I'm trying to test an old scsi MFM controller board, and I need to format the drive, first! Jeff > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Charles E. Fox wrote: > > (I've shortened your quote of my email...) > > > > Several of these drives seem to almost work (they make the usual sounds > > >at power up and can be detected by the bios of a newer PC) but they won't > > >format/fdisk for me. > > > > > > > > I have had quite good results with Ontrack Disk Manager, about four times > > out of five it will get an old drive going and lock out the bad sectors. > > The recovered drives have been going in XTs etc. At ten or twenty megs > > capacity there is no point in trying to install them in modern computers. > > > > Thanks for the tip. I've tried Spinrite and some program I got with a WD > drive. I believe I got Ontrack with a drive I bought recently. I'll try > it. I'm afraid it may be beyond that though. The drives are not getting > as far as reporting bad sectors ... they just hang when I try to format > them. > > Regards, > > Bjorn Eng > > > > >

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Fixing "old" (but not quite classic) IDE and MFM drives?

by bjorn＠ktb.net

Hi, I've got a question about "borderline" classics. I've got a few old PCs >from right around 1990, maybe a bit earlier and I've got several small IDE and MFM drives that I've scavenged from various places. Several of these drives seem to almost work (they make the usual sounds at power up and can be detected by the bios of a newer PC) but they won't format/fdisk for me. Anyone have any tips of things to try as far as simple troubleshooting? Or are they doomed for the dumpster? Thanks, Bjorn

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ATT 6310

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hello all, I have found a AT&T 6310 PC box. Can anyone tell me anything about it? Is it 10 years old, yet? It is heavy enough I'd thought it had a large linear supply in it, but only a switcher ps! It was made in Italy by Olivetti, as mentioned on the 6300 thread. Opening the top reveals a AT type passive motherboard- the CPU, etc. is apparently on another one in another compartment below it, which I haven't gotten to yet. All the cards are 8 bits, except a Mouse Systems serial card which extends about 1/3 way into the "16 bit extension". There is another 2 port serial card and also a MIcrosoft Inport card with a mini-DIN connector. There is also a serial and printer port on the "hidden" CPU card, both DB-25, and a DB-9 connector for the keyboard. There is a volume control on the front, but haven't found the speaker, either. -Dave

28 years, 2 months

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Off-topica

by fauradon＠pclink.com

>Well, older southern men in the US used to say, for example, "19 ot 6" >for 1906. So I guess we could revive that in 2006 and say "20 ot 6". But >this has nothing to do with the original question. > Wouldn't that be 2ot ot 6? Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

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RA82: Does it need...?

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Bruce, ---------- > From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)jps.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: RA82: Does it need...? > Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 12:21 AM > > Does the DEC RA82 drive need to see an active SDI controller in order to > spin up without a FAULT light? I know that RL02's needed power on the > controller before their FAULT indicators would clear. as far i know, YES. My ra90 spins up without sdi controller, but after few seconds you get an error with soemthing like "sync errors" whitch means there is no communication. then you never get the ready light. hope it helps, emanuel

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Fixing "old" (but not quite classic) IDE and MFM drives?

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> I've got a question about "borderline" classics. I've got a few old PCs >>from right around 1990, maybe a bit earlier and I've got several small IDE >>and MFM drives that I've scavenged from various places. >> >> Several of these drives seem to almost work (they make the usual sounds >>at power up and can be detected by the bios of a newer PC) but they won't >>format/fdisk for me. The way I understand it, IDE drives should automatically map out bad blocks, (is this true for all IDE drives?) whereas MFM disks won't. Therefore I'd assume that once an IDE drive starts presenting bad blocks to the user its days are pretty numbered... I was once told that a small percentage of an IDE disk is unused, purely for the sake of providing a "reserve" area so that the disk could cope with some bad blocks whilst still giving the user the impression that full capacity was available - is this true, or just one of those stories that I happened to turn up over the years?? cheers J. >

28 years, 2 months

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TRS 80 Model 4 Wanted (fwd)

by scott＠saskatoon.com

Can anyone in 'NE' (Sorry, I can't always remember all of your states abbreviations... at least we only have 12. Is that Nebraska?) help this guy out? Please reply directly to him, not me or the list. ttyl srw ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:38:53 -0700 From: COMPASS <compass(a)navix.net> To: scott(a)saskatoon.com Subject: TRS 80 Model 4 Wanted We are looking for a TRS 80 Model 4 to operate an engraving machine (the old one died). Any suggestions? Pete Godfrey Compass Materials Handling Systems A Division of Schuler Industries, Inc. PO Box 714 Beatrice, NE 68310 Phone: 402-223-5678 Fax: 402-228-4193 Email: compass(a)navix.net

28 years, 2 months

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS played an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1986 or so onwards, they were a industry dominator. Now, from what I understand, the origional MS logo was GREEN? Somebody have a picture? Other than OS's and current Office Applications (and, of course, Internet Explorer, which is a decent browser, and DOES have pleanty of innovation, if you're prepared to admit it.), what did MS make? Anything for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting current ports of IE 4.0)? Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

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Backwater areas Was: Re: Cross listing Ebay items

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Say a real goodie shows up, like a perfect DEC Straight-8 or an unbuil <> Altair kit. Assume the price is good, Assuming the price was affordable I'd drive a good distance. So far I've gone as far as 180miles. For a working PDP-8(any) I'd cross a few states if I could swing it. For an altair... I have one, thanks. I've assembled three of them back when. Have the shirt, been there. I'd look for an IMSAI it was a better machine. Allison PS: periodic request... IMSAI IMP-48 docs, I'm looking for a copy.

28 years, 2 months

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by peacock＠simconv.com

I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck are we supposed to pronounce it? Simple, as anyone who owns a .30-06 deer rifle can tell tell you, it will be the "double ought" decade. Same as 100 years ago, the first year will be "ought zero". BTW, .30-06 is a US rifle caliber, .308 inches (7.62mm), designed in 1906, or "thirty ought six". 20 years from now, we'll be talking about that old 500Mhz P II made back in "Ought One". Jack Peacock

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Collectable Old Microsoft Stuff

by fauradon＠pclink.com

>> - Flight Simulator v1.0 > >Wasn't that a SubLogic product? It certainly was, I have several copies for the Apple II. The funny thing is that I believe that the MS version still had the same packaging. > >> - Windows 1.03 > >What about version 1.0? > Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by desieh＠southcom.com.au

-----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 1:52 Subject: Re: Old Microsoft stuff... ><From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh> ><Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS play ><an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1 ><or so onwards, they were a industry dominator. > >First off your dates are grossly in error. MS in the persona of Gates >was involved in putting basic on the altair via MITS. When CP/M was >gaining ground as the dominent 8080/z80 OS microsoft was the dominent >language supplier. The majik system was a z80 running cp/m and MSbasic >compiler, MAC and L80, and maybe Multiplan. > ><for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting curren ><ports of IE 4.0)? > >Apple: Apple softcard combind package of CP/M and MS languges and a z80. >TRS80: Disk basic. >PDP-11: Didn't MS do a unix varient? >UNix... they did have a hand in a PC unix and apps for it. > >Allison > email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au desieh(a)bigfoot.com museum_curator(a)hotmail.com Apple Lisa Web Page: http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm dont forget about zenix, and msk............ for the people who dont know msk was MicroSofts attempt at setting computer standards in countries like Japan back in the early 1980's, they also reached Australia but I dont know about the States..

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>again XENIX, while not technically MS, a few years ago (3 or 4) there ports >of MS Word and Excel for Suns and maybe HP's. I gather they are also >currently porting some kind of network conferencing software to Linux?!?!?! Yep. That'd be Microsoft NetMeeting. Pretty cool product. Supports video, audio, message boards. They've also got an Internet Explorer port to Sun Solaris and HP-UX. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

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Collectable Old Microsoft Stuff

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>- Beethoven v1.0 (the first mass market multimedia CD-ROM) When was this made? How many were made? >- Bob (hey, if you own a Lisa or a PC jr. you need their software >equivalent!) Didn't MS repackage that as something else, like a kids program rather recently? >- Flight Simulator v1.0 >- Windows 1.03 What about Windows 2.11? I LOVE Windows 2.11. Now... if it'd only caught on... >Kai Tim D. Hotze

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BASIC 80 Re: Old Microsoft stuff...

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > I have a brown 3 ring binder that has MicroSoft printed diagonally > across it in large white letters. The binder is labeled "BASIC-80". Inside > it has an 8 inch floppy disk that's marked "Hewlett-Packard single sided > flexible disc". Does anyone know what ssytem it's for? Well, um, no. If you made me guess which HP system, I'd say HP125, which was a CP/M machine built into a 262X terminal body. But I'd be a little bit surprised that it's not dressed up as an HP product. HP was doing that with Microsoft products in the mid-1980s, e.g. the Microsoft Pascal compiler for the HP150. -Frank McConnell

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Unusual find

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:04 AM 6/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >To keep this on-topic, computer book publishers today will >circulate a dozen or so preliminary copies of a book to reviewers >at magazines for promotional purposes as well as to industry I used to work for a small publisher (long enough ago so as to be way on topic, and we'll leave it at that) where one of my jobs was to make multiple photocopies of a master copy, collate, assemble, and clib them together. They were review copies, and they were done on a small office copier. So, if you come across an older computer book like that, it's not necessarily a pirated copy. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

<SNIP> Methinks they also did a port of MS-Word for the AT&T Unix-PC 7300 (A fine 68010 box, BTW). Jeff > > Apple: Apple softcard combind package of CP/M and MS languges and a z80. > TRS80: Disk basic. > PDP-11: Didn't MS do a unix varient? > UNix... they did have a hand in a PC unix and apps for it. > > Allison > > > >

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Even better: The Naughty Noughties ;) At 06:10 PM 6/15/98 -0700, Roger Ivie wrote: >> Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates all known >> forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the first decade? >> I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck >> are we supposed to pronounce it? > >The noughties, obviously. > >Roger Ivie >ivie(a)cc.usu.edu > - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates all known > forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the first decade? > I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck > are we supposed to pronounce it? The noughties, obviously. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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PS to Kilobaud articles.

by jon＠techniche.com

Oh yea Ward, One other thing. I just re-read your message and remember the comment about Laconia. If you're coming to NH you can pick these up. That's where we're located, in Manchester. Jon

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh> <Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS play <an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1 <or so onwards, they were a industry dominator. First off your dates are grossly in error. MS in the persona of Gates was involved in putting basic on the altair via MITS. When CP/M was gaining ground as the dominent 8080/z80 OS microsoft was the dominent language supplier. The majik system was a z80 running cp/m and MSbasic compiler, MAC and L80, and maybe Multiplan. <for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting curren <ports of IE 4.0)? Apple: Apple softcard combind package of CP/M and MS languges and a z80. TRS80: Disk basic. PDP-11: Didn't MS do a unix varient? UNix... they did have a hand in a PC unix and apps for it. Allison

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"Industrial" XT, Compaq luggables, Misc

by manney＠lrbcg.com

I just acquired an XT with a grey case bearing the logo "Industrial Computer". Seems normal inside. Anyone ever heard of one? I also got 2 Compaq XT luggables. Some 286 RAMPAGE cards Tons of XT and AT parts e-mail me privately if you're looking for something. manney(a)lrbcg.com

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 06:46 PM 6/15/98 +0100, Tony Duell wrote: >Another microsoft product which I've not seen mentioned here yet was, of >course, the Microsoft mouse for PCs (and later those Microsoft keyboards) Those bus mice? I worked on a friend's machine that had one: A Xerox XT class running Windows 1.0. 640x400x2 mode I believe. Oh yeah, they were called Inport Bus mice, ran off their own 8-bit card. Not a bad mouse for it's time. - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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Unusual find

by fauradon＠pclink.com

I gues these are the equivalent of prototypes in the publishing industry. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 7:54 PM Subject: Re: Unusual find >At 07:19 PM 6/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi, >>I just found a book Titled Odyssey Pepsi to Apple by John Sculley. It is the >>advance copy from uncorrected manuscript. >>How often do anyone of you run into that kind of print? > > I rarely see this kind of thing, but I do have a book titled "Marching >Thru Georgia" that was published in the 1800s that has *three* hard covers >on it and all three are a different style, color and material! Inside the >book it mentions that the books are available with three different covers >so I guess this one was a "demo" to show the different cover styles. Also >some of the pages are missing. But they weren't removed since the binding >is intact and even pages that should be on the same sheet of paper are >missing. For example, page 99 will be on the RH page and when you turn the >page page 100 should be on the left but it will be missing and page 101 >will be there instead! Very strange! I've never seen or heard of a book >like it before. > > Joe >

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DEC TK-25

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

I've located a TK-25 (w/ tape ) at a surplus house. Was there anyone on this list looking for one? If so, please respond via private e-mail. Jeff jeff.kaneko(a)ifrsys.com

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Pen Windows 2.0

by mbg＠world.std.com

I have an NCR System 3130, which is a 386-based system with 8mb of memory and a 20mb hard disk. It also has some sort of PROM system disk (as device d:). I currently have no way of transferring info to and from the machine and would love to find the external floppy adapter for it... Might someone on this list have one laying around, or be able to provide a pointer to someone who has one? Also, does anyone have any technical documents for this machine? When I upgraded the memory and installed a modem, the system would no longer cleanly boot up from the C drive... it gets stuck somewhere in the process while it is still using D:... Thanks in advance for any info... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 02:34 PM 6/15/98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote: >No, no. Tube machines were a gas in the 50's. PDP-1's were groovy in the >60's. Pong was ultra-bitchen in the 70's. The Amiga was gnarly in the >80's. And, well, the 90's ... :-( dOOd. Is it just me or do the 90's seem like the 70's and 80's combined with all the really cool stuff left out? Speaking of decades, after the year 2000 bug totally obliterates all known forms of biological life on the planet, What will we call the first decade? I know I can type it as: "You know, the 00's really suck!" But how the heck are we supposed to pronounce it? I think I have stumbled upon an even bigger problem than the Y2k problem was ever forseen as! - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by mbg＠world.std.com

>>Absolutely. Applesoft BASIC (in every II+ and later, and installed as >>an option in most II's) was written by Microsoft. Microsoft also sold >>several well-known Apple II games (ADVENTURE is the most well-known). > >They wrote that? DUDE!!!! (I recently aquired a Applesoft BASIC manual >(C) 1979, in near mint condition.) They didn't write the original... that was Crowther and Woods (if memory serves). They may have written *a* version... but history doesn't start with PCs and MicroSoft. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by higginbo＠netpath.net

At 01:28 PM 6/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >Sure, just as easily as you can move stuff between the 6502 based Nintendo >and an AIM-65 (i.e., no way dOOd -- even if the CPU is the same, nothing >else is). However, I seem to recall that Microsoft recently signed-up a >game machine manufacturer for CE, and it was either Nintendo or Sega. Sega. For the new 128-bit console system: Dreamcast. Coming to America next year. Out in Japan by Fall this year. <offtopic alert! offtopic alert!> Err, man, those Atari Pong games sure were a gas back in the 70's, man! Groooovy! *Whew!* Close one. ________________________________________ john higginbotham limbo.netpath.net - webmaster, http://www.pntprinting.com - "Teamwork is essential; it gives the - enemy other people to shoot at." -

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New toy, HP Apollo 4500, and it's broken...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

I got a apollo 4500. It has a 68030 inside, and a 700-someodd meg MFM (?) harddisk. I have no idea what it runs. This one has a SummaSketch pad with it. It was used for CAD stuff. What's it run? The problem with it is, the video card appears to have died. WHen I power the machine on (It has a VERY LARGE [21"] RGB monitor. Any chance of me connecting it to a PC? It has 3 plugs, R G B, and expects sync on green) and the monitor, I get garbage. The garbage is the same almost every time. There is 3 patterns. The first one is just garbage, the second one is the same garbage only dimmer, and the third is a light blue blank screen. All of them are light blue colored. The summasketch puck is also wrecked, someone's jerked the MMJ plug off the end. But I can get another one of those. There is a switch in the back (Next to the reset (?) button) than, when pressed, activates a 4-LED indication inside the case. When I start the machine, it flickers around, and stops at 1 on, 2 3 and 4 blinking. Is this a failure code? What's this switch for? Am I correct in my assumption? (Dead video) I've already pushed all the socketed chips in as far as they'll go. That didn't help. I also removed the video card (It has no socketed chips) and reseated it. This also has a network adapter, labled DOMAIN RING. What wire does that expect? I'm guessing it's not Ethernet... Oh, the label on the front says APOLLO DOMAIN 4500. FOrgot that :) -------

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Mini-Monitors?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 01:30 PM 6/12/98 -0800, you wrote: >I know of sources that satisfy everything except the *cheap*. >Small VGA color monitors - 5", 7", etc. - are readily >available from all the folks who sell embedded systems and >components. Expect to pay $600 and up, though. > >For a similar price you can also get VGA-compatible color LCD >displays in the same size range. Ooh, that would be *perfect*, except for the $. 8^( Hmmm.. How good is the security at these places? 8^) But seriously, a 5-7" monitor for $600? I guess there's not as big a market for them, but the folks that need 'em *really* need 'em. >a Pentium motherboard that's only 2.5" square! Now that's pretty damn cool! I picked up a SIIG computer. It's a 386SX (and probably too new for here) and is about 4" wide by 3" tall, by about 11" long. Fully self contained, just add monitor and keyboard. Has 16-bit and 8-bit ISA Slots (1 each), and both floppy and hard drive. Pretty darn cool; it's my new voicemail system. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

OK. I just purchased a Windows CE handheld. I realized that: 1) It represents MS's rebirth. That, along with cross-platform apps, means that MS isn't going to be doing to much with Windows 9x/NT after a couple years... 2) It's lighting fast, and covers all kinds of processors. Now, I've got 2 questions: 1) With a Velo, is there any way to save files after it's turned off without purchasing a hard card? 2) With a MIPS-based handheld, could I get stuff moving between this and my N64? Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

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Windows CE: Future classic (OT, in a way...)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>Thanks for the tip, Tim. I'll dump all of my intel stock now. :-) Seriously, that doesn't mean going away from Intel. x86 is supported. Besides, Linux'll take over x86's hardware.... ;-) >> 2) It's lighting fast, and covers all kinds of processors. > >The H/PC was a bit of a flop. For some reason, not many people wanted to >buy a machine that looked like Windows95, but ran on slower hardware with >no application compatibility. Well, believe it or not, it took Microsoft for "open-season" to start on handhelds. >However, I like the new Pilot rip-off, the Palm-sized PC, better. And if >you've never seen their Auto PC for cars, brace yourself for some drooling >(guaranteed to flop at the current $2K price though). They're also making >inroads into embedded systems with CE. Great. Now, stoplights and car batteries will freeze on me. >> 1) With a Velo, is there any way to save files after it's turned off without >> purchasing a hard card? > >You've got internal battery-backed RAM for that. OK. >> 2) With a MIPS-based handheld, could I get stuff moving between this and my >> N64? > >Sure, just as easily as you can move stuff between the 6502 based Nintendo >and an AIM-65 (i.e., no way dOOd -- even if the CPU is the same, nothing >else is). However, I seem to recall that Microsoft recently signed-up a >game machine manufacturer for CE, and it was either Nintendo or Sega. That's what I thought. But I heard a friend talk about it... As for the Sega, Windows CE's OK for what I want it for: Simple eMail. No graphics, no attachments. I don't want Windows CE freezing up my game machine. Especially not when UNIX based competitiors are availabe. I said that I liked Windows CE. I didn't say that it was the best at anything. Just shows promise. Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

>Green? For the first half-dozen years I never saw any Microsoft >documents in color. I have several Microsoft manuals and binders >from when their office was in Arizona and all of those are >black on white. Later stuff from when they moved to a suite in >Bellevue was still in black and white. I didn't see any green until >1980-1982 when Microsoft was selling Digital Research's CP/M with >their Softcard (Z-80 drop-in for the Apple II). OK. How many softcards were made? >BASIC implementation for dozens of personal computers in the late 70's >and very early 80's, most importantly. I know that. Was their first BASIC the 4K tape one for the Altair? >> Anything >> for say... the Apple II? > >Absolutely. Applesoft BASIC (in every II+ and later, and installed as >an option in most II's) was written by Microsoft. Microsoft also sold >several well-known Apple II games (ADVENTURE is the most well-known). They wrote that? DUDE!!!! (I recently aquired a Applesoft BASIC manual (C) 1979, in near mint condition.) >You know, I could go on for pages and pages with software that Microsoft >sold in the late 70's and early 80's for non PC-platforms. You'd probably >be much better educated about computing in that era if you simply went >and found the _BYTE_ magazines from that time frame and read the ads. OK. See, I checked out MS's museum, and I'd have to say that from a corporate perspective, it had a pretty fair view of things. They had the Apple II, Macintosh, Altair, etc. there. >Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca) Tim D. Hotze

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New toy, HP Apollo 4500, and it's broken...

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>>>I think it depends on the machine. My DN3500 is about PC/AT sized. My >> >425 is a less tall, but takes up more desk area. didn't these things need some sort of domain controller or something to boot? I remember playing around with one at the place where I used to work repairing old machines and it got a sensible display up but then refused to boot. Mind you, I seem to remember that it took two keyboards - a standard PC one and an HP-specific one... the whole lot went to the tip sadly, minus the SCSI disks which were formatted for a different system (mind you, I rescued a few good machines from that place over time - the Tower32/700, Tektronix XD88, Philips P3800, numerous Link 480Z's and BBC model B's to name but a few...) >> disk and MB in it, the FPU went to my upgraded Mac SE), and I didn't even >> get ONE part out, just a face full of PCB fumes(whatever those boards are blowtorches work wonders surprisingly. It's very rare to toast a chip providing you're careful with heat distribution (not recommended for repair jobs on boards that you want to keep though ;*) cheers Jules

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

I guess you're right. But still... er... um... Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa(a)alph02.triumf.ca> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Old Microsoft stuff... >> Yep. I know that. But MS dominance didn't exactly happen overnight. They >> didn't have much of a hold in anything until the IBM PC took off... > >I'd disagree with you here. Microsoft had a much broader scope before >the IBM PC, selling hundreds of pieces of software for dozens of >different platforms. And certainly a plurality, if not a majority, of 8-bit >home micros booted straight into Microsoft BASIC. Just about every >consumer-oriented-everything-in-a-box CP/M system came bundled with >MBASIC! > >Tim.

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> Olympic Decathalon (responsible for many a broken left/right arrow key >> required for the running competitions). is that the same game as Daley Thompson's Decathalon on the old Spectrum? Seem to remember that burning out a few keys - I didn't realise it was a Microsoft product though!! Jules >

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Old Alpha's (OT)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Nope. I mean (mostly) DEC systems based on the Alpha 64-bit microprocessor. Sorry for any confusions... Tim D. Hotze

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

> Hi. Now, I don't want to start a flamewar, but still, Microsoft HAS played > an important part in personal computing, for better or for worse. From 1986 > or so onwards, they were a industry dominator. > Now, from what I understand, the origional MS logo was GREEN? Somebody > have a picture? Yes it was green. If I can find an example, I'll scan it for you. > Other than OS's and current Office Applications (and, of course, > Internet Explorer, which is a decent browser, and DOES have pleanty of > innovation, if you're prepared to admit it.), what did MS make? Anything > for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting current > ports of IE 4.0)? Well, you're getting a copy of MULTIPLAN for the Apple ][. Seems like there was a word processor for the A][ as well. Don't forget Excel for the MAC. Excel was on the Macintosh long before it became a standard on that 'other' windowing OS. In fact, Excel is the only Microsoft product that actually *PREDATES* the operating system it runs on! No, MS Word dosen't count-- WinWord was a totally new product, bearing *no* resemblence to the original 'Word' for Mess-DOs. Excel was a straight port (well, it *looks* that way, anyway). If I look through some old issues of byte, I'm sure I'll find others . . . Jeff

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Old Alpha's (OT)

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> Which "Alpha"? Alpha Micro? Hmm, is that "Alpha micro" as in "Alphatronic PC"? I have a few of those things lying around someplace in various states - my old university wrote their own terminal software for them, burned it out to eeprom, and we used to use them as terminals to access the Unix systems. IIRC I did see reference to an expansion box that allowed the use of hard drives with CP/M on - I did a lot of digging at the time and never turned up anything for them - I just had the custom Uni terminal ROMs and a set of BASIC ROMs that originally came with the machines. They were made by Triumph-Adler, from what I remember. Any information on these boxes would be most helpful!! (I have the original manuals, but they don't exactly go into a lot of detail) cheers Jules >

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Old Microsoft stuff...

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Yep. I'll count that. BTW, welcome back! One time, I was eMailing you for help on something... didn't get a response... then you stopped posting to ClassicCmp... Ciao, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: John Higginbotham <higginbo(a)netpath.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Old Microsoft stuff... >At 05:37 PM 6/15/98 +0300, you wrote: > >> Other than OS's and current Office Applications (and, of course, >>Internet Explorer, which is a decent browser, and DOES have pleanty of >>innovation, if you're prepared to admit it.), what did MS make? Anything >>for say... the Apple II? PDP's? UN*X boxes (once again, omitting current >>ports of IE 4.0)? > >Does Microsoft BASIC on the TRS-80 Model 100 count? > > >________________________________________ >john higginbotham limbo.netpath.net - >webmaster, http://www.pntprinting.com - >"Teamwork is essential; it gives the - >enemy other people to shoot at." - > > > >

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Old Alpha's (OT)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Hi. Just wanted to know if anyone out here knows where I can get an old <alpha... (real old). < Ciao, Ah, you gotta be kiddin.... The alpha is maybe max 8 years old! Allison

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PDP model line / rarity?

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>>> hmm. My university had a 7 which as far as I know was never used - it >>> just sat there as a conversational point in one of the physics labs. I >>> probably could have taken it, but just don't have the room for it (nor >>> the knowledge to keep it running, and I don't have the time these days >>> to learn about any new machines sadly!) >> >> When was this -7 just sitting there, out of curiosity? well I graduated a couple of years ago, so I last saw it probably about three years ago now (never had much call to go into the physics buildings). as I said, I don't know PDP machines so couldn't tell you how much of a system there was there or what state it was in - it had a paper sign hanging on the front saying "PDP7" and used to get pointed out during tours (heh heh, so I guess there could have been anything in there!! :) wish I'd taken a better look at it (mind you, as I said I couldn't really justify keeping such a beast, and I used to get enough obsolete equipment that the computing department used to throw out anyway!) cheers J. >

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PDP model line / rarity?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I was just wondering on the rarity of DEC's PDPx machines - I gather <that '11s are still pretty common (relatively!), but what about earlier <machines in the line? PDP = Programmed Data Processor. It was a ploy to tame down the idea of large, expensive and complex computers. The PDP-8E/F/M/A series was quite popular swith sales in the many tens of thousands. There are many of these in service as machine tool controllers and other uses. PDP-11 series was even more prolific. Rare machines are the PDP-1 (few left), PDP-5 the forunner to the 8, and 10s. The total sales for the PDP-1/4/5/6/7/9/10/12/15 combined was under 5000 units. Generally the 18 and 36bit machines are tough to find and if found represent a bit of work to run. Allison

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PDP model line / rarity?

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I was just wondering on the rarity of DEC's PDPx machines - I gather >that '11s are still pretty common (relatively!), but what about earlier >machines in the line? There seem to be a fair number of -8's in private hands, at least there are a number of people who post on alt.sys.pdp8 who have them. Probably more Decmates then older -8s. As for -11s, I have quite a few, mostly qbus... There are even some people who have -10s and -20s at home. I've not seen any info on others like -4, -7, -9, -15, etc (other than the emulators that Bob Supnik of DEC wrote). >Also - what did PDP stand for? (I don't expect that "Portable" came into >it ;*) Sorry for the dumb question - I grew up with classic 8-bit micros >and 32-bit Unix machines - shame I missed out on some of the big old >boxes, they sound like fun (if a bit impractical from a storage point of >view!! :) PDP = Programmed Data Processor. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Composite <> Video

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Just want to check... Composite Video (as in a lot of 8-bit computers) is *not* the same thing as the Video ports on, say, a VCR or camcorder, right? And Composite is also not the same as what the Atari 2600 (et al) use to hook up to a telly? Thanks... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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MS Windows 1.03 for sale

by desieh＠southcom.com.au

-----Original Message----- From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 7:39 Subject: Re: MS Windows 1.03 for sale >On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > >> I bid $4billion! Oh wait, its only v1.03. I was looking for 1.02. Never >> mind. > >I have 1.02. Will that be cash or credit card? > >-- Doug > email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au desieh(a)bigfoot.com museum_curator(a)hotmail.com Apple Lisa Web Page: http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm ive got 1.02 but its in french, or is that france?? want it:> maybe not................

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Mini-Monitors?

by fauradon＠pclink.com

I found their web site: http://www.digisys.net/timeline/lcd.html Looks like they have few for good prices Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, June 14, 1998 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Mini-Monitors? ><In Circuit Cellar this month there is an add from timeline inc. It has a ><VGA LCD 640 X 480 Sanyo LMDK55-22 listed for $25. That is the only info ><given on the add. their phone number is (800) 872-8878 no web site :( ><Francois > >I'll call tehm but I suspect it will be like the DELL(sharp) LCD I have >and while VGA sized it is not a vga interface. > >Allison >

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another classiccmp coinkydink URL

by mor＠crl.com

Considering the recent chatter on analog computers, plus the Dow Jones 10,000 problem somebody brought up, I found this listing at Haggle.Com pretty cute: http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=201642752 -- mor(a)crl.com http://www.crl.com/~mor/

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Final Xerox Star demo

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Frank McConnell <fmc(a)reanimators.org> wrote: > > I'm really hoping to be there, but I still have to figure out how to get > > from Walnut Creek at 5pm to Palto Alo at 5:30... > > I see a need for speed. Hmm, usually they start a few minutes late, > but Umm, duh. I plead damaged swap area. Anyway, usually they start a few minutes late, but at the TCMHC site I think that's because it takes that long for folks to quit gawking at the old iron and sit down. -Frank McConnell

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Final Xerox Star demo

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> wrote: > >> >> Final Demo of the Xerox Star Workstation > >> >> 5:30 to 7:00pm > > I'm really hoping to be there, but I still have to figure out how to get > from Walnut Creek at 5pm to Palto Alo at 5:30... I see a need for speed. Hmm, usually they start a few minutes late, but > Ooh, I *love* waving my appendages, especially my phelanges! That's the spirit! Tongues, too! > Only, Wednesdays, esp. the second wed are not good... Make it the second > Thursday and you've got a deal. 8^) Well, second Wednesday was Paul's suggestion (and "suggestion" may be too strong a word), and he and I are both flexible. I figure whoever shows up at PARC will probably yak about this some Wednesday night and hopefully we will arrive at something close enough to consensus to post a real time and place. -Frank McConnell

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Mini-Monitors?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<In Circuit Cellar this month there is an add from timeline inc. It has a <VGA LCD 640 X 480 Sanyo LMDK55-22 listed for $25. That is the only info <given on the add. their phone number is (800) 872-8878 no web site :( <Francois I'll call tehm but I suspect it will be like the DELL(sharp) LCD I have and while VGA sized it is not a vga interface. Allison

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Mini-Monitors?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>I'm also interested in same and know someone that might like info. <>There is a truck load of applications for a cheap/compact/lowpower <>VGA display. <> <>Allison < <Geez, Allison, If I was a EE god like yourself, I'd grab me a coupla <busted|older laptops and build an interface for the LCD screens. 8^) Humm, I have a dell laptop display and it will take a potload of ttl and ram to make it into a system... the results will be more power hungry than I want. FYI this is NOT for a PC so PC hacks are not the most useful. Allison

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RCA VP3301 Data Terminal

by carl.friend＠stoneweb.com

G'day. In the last large haul I made (which included an Eclipse S/130 and a Nova 4) for my collection, I acquired a little RCA terminal which bills itself as an "Office Appliance". It's quite clearly a small video terminal and seems to be based around the 1801 microprocessor. I'm wondering if anybody has the manuals for the little beast and can tell me what the power supply puts out, and on what pins (it's got a DIN connector on the back labelled "power"). I'd sort of like to fire it up and see how it works. Thanks! ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum | ICBM: N42:22 W71:47 | |________________________________________________|_____________________|

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AT&T 6300's

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 12:42 PM 6/12/98 -0700, you wrote: >> Found a stack of AT&T computers. Some are labelled "PC 6300" (The unix PC, >> iirc?) but others are marked "6300 WGS", a designation I've not heard of > >The 6300 WGS (Work Group Server) was a tower cased system that was not These were (I'm pretty sure) desktops, almost identical to the PC 6300's, only wiht a cream colored front. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Mini-Monitors?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 03:14 PM 6/12/98 -0400, you wrote: ><Does anyone know of a *cheap* source of a VGA-compatible display? What I ><looking for, especially, is low power usage, followed by compactness and ><portability. Thanks! > >I'm also interested in same and know someone that might like info. >There is a truck load of applications for a cheap/compact/lowpower >VGA display. > >Allison Geez, Allison, If I was a EE god like yourself, I'd grab me a coupla busted|older laptops and build an interface for the LCD screens. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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New toy, HP Apollo 4500, and it's broken...

by jfedorko＠virtualadmin.com

Sounds vaguely familiar, I remember two versions of the 2100s one had a black front panel w/red lights, the other one had a beige front panel. They were the CPU of HP2000 timesharing systems. They were pretty neat for their time (mid-70s) and I did my first "on-line" programming on them. The earlier ones boot off of paper tape, then the new technology... mylar oooh! I don't remember if they ever got weaned off tape booting though. Once you logged in you were at the command line and in a basic interpreter. They introduced me to instant gratification programming vs. waiting a day or so for the cards and the printout to come back or having to wire boards. Oh, yea... if it's one of the older ones, when the big oil filled capacitor goes in one of the disk drives the vented panel provides for spectacular visuals! If you don't want it, please let me know the details on it. -----Original Message----- From: museum(a)techniche.com [SMTP:museum@techniche.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 1998 3:36 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: New toy, HP Apollo 4500, and it's broken... This is somewhat tangential, but I suspect whoever is reading about HP Apollo's may be able to contribute. I came across a rack mount system in the local surplus store. The faceplate reads "HP 2100c Programmable Microcomputer System". Any ideas what this is? Worth picking up? Jon >> >> <I got a apollo 4500. >> <It has a 68030 inside, and a 700-someodd meg MFM (?) harddisk. >> >> More likely SCSI (single 50pin cable) or EDSI (two cables like MFM). >> MFM drives topped out at 160mb or so, EDSI went to at least 400mb maybe >> higher. > >Definitely ESDI or SCSI. Although they could have had SMD or ESMD >as well. > >> >> <I have no idea what it runs. This one has a SummaSketch pad with it. >> <It was used for CAD stuff. >> >> Some kind of unix. > >Possibly, though the Apollo's ran Domain/OS which was Multics inspired >but later it went to BSD compatibility and looked like both Unix and >Multics. > >> >> Allison >> >> > >Actually, there are a lot of Apollo collectors out there and the video >card may be getable. The Apollos used 3C505's for ethernet and some other >Token ring interface. > >Bill > >+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Bill/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive | Tinton Falls, New Jersey 07724 | >| 908-389-3592 | Save computing history, give an old geek old hardware. | >| pechter(a)shell.monmouth.com | >+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >

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ESDI disks

by mbg＠world.std.com

>More likely SCSI (single 50pin cable) or EDSI (two cables like MFM). >MFM drives topped out at 160mb or so, EDSI went to at least 400mb maybe >higher. ESDI, and I know they can handle higher capacity disks (though I can't speak to the actual limit) as I have several ESDI disks which are 770mb unformatted (about 668mb formatted). A couple of them are the Hitachi DK515-78. I also have some Maxtor drives, but I don't remember their designation. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry(a)zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg(a)world.std.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation | | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Mini-Monitors?

by fauradon＠pclink.com

In Circuit Cellar this month there is an add from timeline inc. It has a 6" VGA LCD 640 X 480 Sanyo LMDK55-22 listed for $25. That is the only info given on the add. their phone number is (800) 872-8878 no web site :( Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Rax <rax(a)warbaby.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Mini-Monitors? >>> <Does anyone know of a *cheap* source of a VGA-compatible display? What I >>> <looking for, especially, is low power usage, followed by compactness and >>> <portability. Thanks! >>> >>> I'm also interested in same and know someone that might like info. >>> There is a truck load of applications for a cheap/compact/lowpower >>> VGA display. >> >>At least small CGA and mono monitors have been cheap for a long time. >>Places that advertise in Electronics Now tend to have them for ~$30ish. >>They are usually open-frame. >> > >Also try Nuts & Volts magazine. Lots of ads from purveyors of all sorts of >goodies for the mad inventor that lurks inside each of us. > >R. > >-- > > > >Warbaby >The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. >http://www.warbaby.com > >The MonkeyPool >WebSite Content Development >http://www.monkeypool.com > > Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies. > > > > >

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Magazine values

by nerdware＠laidbak.com

Hi, gang. I'm just curious what old electronic magazines are worth. I haven't been able to find them in a price guide -- I have all the PE Altair issues (including the 680) and would like to know if they are worth anything I need to worry about insuring. Don't get excited -- I'm not going to part with them. It's just that I've heard that they're worth some money and I'd like to know. Thanks Paul Braun NerdWare -- The History of the PC and the Nerds who brought it to you. nerdware(a)laidbak.com www.laidbak.com/nerdware

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AT&T 6300's

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Found a stack of AT&T computers. Some are labelled "PC 6300" (The unix PC, iirc?) but others are marked "6300 WGS", a designation I've not heard of before. In any case, is anyone interested in them? They're available at a good price. Condition unknown, possible monitors/keyboards, but dunno. Lemme know if I should pick 'em up. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Mini-Monitors?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Does anyone know of a *cheap* source of a VGA-compatible display? What I <looking for, especially, is low power usage, followed by compactness and <portability. Thanks! I'm also interested in same and know someone that might like info. There is a truck load of applications for a cheap/compact/lowpower VGA display. Allison

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CP/M

by peacock＠simconv.com

+AD4-Did MP/M run on Z-80s? BTW, is there a reasonable chance the CP/M on +AD4-one micro w/5.25+ACI- disks be compatible with another with 5.25+ACI- disks, +AD4-i.e. my apple with a C-128? Also, if a computer can run CP/M 3 can it +AD4-run eariler versions? (Note i'm not talking about apps here). Yes, MP/M ran on the Z80 first, then on the 8086. A multi-user Z80 was no speed demon but it was cheap compared to a PDP-11. BTW, the very first initial release of MP/M was actually coded for 8080, the task dispatcher did not save the extra Z80 registers. I discovered it the hard way, reported it to DRI, they fixed it right away. Apparently whatever machine they used to test MP/M was 8080 or 8085 based. Compatibility on floppies was about nil, very very few disks could be moved from one machine to another. If anything, 5.25+ACI- compatibility was worse than 8+ACI- floppies. Any Z80 machine that could run V3 had all the hardware needed to run V2. CP/M V1 was designed only for 8+ACI- SSSD floppies, the BIOS didn't have the drive tables in it to support anything else. Jack Peacock

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Hacked Mac and Other Systems

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

I Remember a Computer Shopper (you know, back when there ware actually a few decent articles in it, as well as a ton of advertising) referred to those Mac Clones as 'HackIntoshes' Sounds appropriate to me... > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: Early Mac Clones > > >bit hard getting a mac into a pc case though, remember that macs have all > >the connectors on board, > > > >desie > > Can't be any worse than the people that put Atari's or Amiga's in a PC > case. I've seen a Atari TT030 in a PC Tower, and it's quite popular among > Amiga people to tower their A1200's. All it takes is some creative cabling. > > Zane I have a set of texts on making a "Tower 64" (bundling a Commodore 64, Ram Expansion, drives, etc. in a tower PC case) which I have been seriously considering, actually I think I'd prefer a Tower 128 myself. Larry -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

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New toy, HP Apollo 4500, and it's broken...

by museum＠techniche.com

This is somewhat tangential, but I suspect whoever is reading about HP Apollo's may be able to contribute. I came across a rack mount system in the local surplus store. The faceplate reads "HP 2100c Programmable Microcomputer System". Any ideas what this is? Worth picking up? Jon >> >> <I got a apollo 4500. >> <It has a 68030 inside, and a 700-someodd meg MFM (?) harddisk. >> >> More likely SCSI (single 50pin cable) or EDSI (two cables like MFM). >> MFM drives topped out at 160mb or so, EDSI went to at least 400mb maybe >> higher. > >Definitely ESDI or SCSI. Although they could have had SMD or ESMD >as well. > >> >> <I have no idea what it runs. This one has a SummaSketch pad with it. >> <It was used for CAD stuff. >> >> Some kind of unix. > >Possibly, though the Apollo's ran Domain/OS which was Multics inspired >but later it went to BSD compatibility and looked like both Unix and >Multics. > >> >> Allison >> >> > >Actually, there are a lot of Apollo collectors out there and the video >card may be getable. The Apollos used 3C505's for ethernet and some other >Token ring interface. > >Bill > >+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Bill/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive | Tinton Falls, New Jersey 07724 | >| 908-389-3592 | Save computing history, give an old geek old hardware. | >| pechter(a)shell.monmouth.com | >+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >

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CP/M

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Did MP/M run on Z-80s? BTW, is there a reasonable chance the CP/M on one micro w/5.25" disks be compatible with another with 5.25" disks, i.e. my apple with a C-128? Also, if a computer can run CP/M 3+ can it run eariler versions? (Note i'm not talking about apps here). >OK to fair. ;) It was file level password protection and required the >whole colume to be enabled for it. Security level was low though. If the >user could assemble and run a program they could write code to access the >disk directory and toggle the right bits and they had control. It was >aimed at captive applications where the user had limited resources and >could not get directly at the file system. Many of the things in CPM3 >are there to provice more direct compatability with MP/M. > >As to weird, no most of the additions they did were similar to the ZCPR >groups and other were doing in parallel and had sound basis. > >Allison > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Old Alpha's (OT)

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hi. Just wanted to know if anyone out here knows where I can get an old alpha... (real old). Ciao, Tim D. Hotze

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New toy, HP Apollo 4500, and it's broken...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I got a apollo 4500. <It has a 68030 inside, and a 700-someodd meg MFM (?) harddisk. More likely SCSI (single 50pin cable) or EDSI (two cables like MFM). MFM drives topped out at 160mb or so, EDSI went to at least 400mb maybe higher. <I have no idea what it runs. This one has a SummaSketch pad with it. <It was used for CAD stuff. Some kind of unix. <The problem with it is, the video card appears to have died. <WHen I power the machine on (It has a VERY LARGE [21"] RGB monitor. Any <chance of me connecting it to a PC? It has 3 plugs, R G B, and expects <sync on green) and the monitor, I get garbage. The garbage is the same a it can be but I forget the modes required also you need a cable for it. Connecting to a PC is more trouble than its worth generally. Allison

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CP/M

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Max, Please clip off the unwanted parts of the message. <><The CP/M 3+ manual says the syntax is drive:12345678.123;password. <><Maybe it's a weird DR thing. They tended to add weird stuff... < <So, how DID it work? OK to fair. ;) It was file level password protection and required the whole colume to be enabled for it. Security level was low though. If the user could assemble and run a program they could write code to access the disk directory and toggle the right bits and they had control. It was aimed at captive applications where the user had limited resources and could not get directly at the file system. Many of the things in CPM3 are there to provice more direct compatability with MP/M. As to weird, no most of the additions they did were similar to the ZCPR groups and other were doing in parallel and had sound basis. Allison

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CP/M

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

So, how DID it work? > >Password protection? There wasn't any as part of CP/M. ><The CP/M 3+ manual says the syntax is drive:12345678.123;password. ><Maybe it's a weird DR thing. They tended to add weird stuff... > >You didn't say CPM3! If you say CPM it is assumed the more common v2.x >version. V2.x did not have passwords, V3.0 did. Obviously if this apple >cpm card has V3 disks it it was a very late one or someone went to some >trouble to port v3 to it. FYI: v3 was not widely popular. > >Allison > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Alloy Engineering tape drive

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I have acquired the manuals, S100 controller, and cartridge tape <drive, but not the software, for an Alloy Engineering cartridge tape Alloy is still in business I believe. <This system came from a multi-user Concurrent CP/M 80286 system in the <early 80's. The system disk was pulled from the S-100 box when it was MID80s... the 286 on s100 was about 84-86ish. the earliest data I have >from intel is late 83 for the 286. good luck finding the software as it was never PD and alloy controllers where never that common that I've seen. Allison

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FW: DEC WT/78?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Hugh Henderson <hendronicus(a)hotmail.com> <saginaw, MI USA - Friday, June 12, 1998 at 18:07:56 < <I rescued a Digital WT/78 word terminal with a Digital RX02 computer <attached. Ok, the WT78 is one of DECs early compact word processing systems. The CPU is the intersil 6100 (PDP-8 reduced to a chip). The RX02 is nto acomputer but a disk box and controller for 256k/512k 8" floppies. (others in that family are the DECmate, DECmateII and DECmateIII) < It does try to boot, but I don't have the system disk. I'd sure love <to see the beast run. The images for the disks(both WPS and OS/78) are on the net and you would need a system that can create 8" disks. Alternately someone that has a system with RX02 disks (they were used on PDP-8, PDP-11 systems). < What does it run? What kind of processors does it use? It has network <and modem connections. The primary processor that runs the OS is a varient of the PDP-8 family reduced to a single chip. The disk system has it's own processor but that is not user programmable. It _does_not_ have network connections. The idea of a network at that time was unrealistic for such a low end machine. The modem connection however is eaxactly that and could be used to connect the machine to a host for file transfers. <How do you use those, and what were they originally for? It was originally used for word processing running WPS78, it also runs OS/78 an older PDP-8 operating system that looks a tiny bit like DOS. Allison

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Mini-Monitors?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<That's why my LCD panel sits in the box. :-( < <> There are (were?) a few vendors that made very nice single chip solutio <> for converting base VGA into something an LCD could use. <> <> Hitachi? < <Ooh! Does anyone have a relevant Hitachi data book? My assessment is that for the display I have to convert serial video (VGA) to two 4 bit parallel streams for a partitioned display is unrealistic. The next simpler option if to generate video directly in the form required for the display and that is also somewhat ponderous. I didn't see anyhting suitable on the Hitachi site. Allisom

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CP/M

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Password protection? There wasn't any as part of CP/M. <The CP/M 3+ manual says the syntax is drive:12345678.123;password. <Maybe it's a weird DR thing. They tended to add weird stuff... You didn't say CPM3! If you say CPM it is assumed the more common v2.x version. V2.x did not have passwords, V3.0 did. Obviously if this apple cpm card has V3 disks it it was a very late one or someone went to some trouble to port v3 to it. FYI: v3 was not widely popular. Allison

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FA: Various systems

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

> Auction services have their place, but I think that we on the list >should be given the "right of first refusal". If one of the list members has >something to sell, give the others a first crack, with some time limit (like >a week), before listing it on eBay or Haggle. Perhaps list subscribers who wish to list their items on an auction service could offer a discount to other subscribers (e.g. "Mention you saw this add on the Classic Computers mailing list and get 10% off."). This way the seller gets the higher prices of the auction services while at the same time offering an advantage to list subscribers. Tom Owad

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Alloy Engineering tape drive

by peacock＠simconv.com

I have acquired the manuals, S100 controller, and cartridge tape drive, but not the software, for an Alloy Engineering cartridge tape drive. I have two manuals, the Interface Guide For the IDXS-100, and TIP (Tape Interchange Package) Operator's Guide, both dated 1981. The tape drive is an early 3M cartridge tape, capacity of about 14MB formatted. I also have a big box of backup tape cartridges. This system came from a multi-user Concurrent CP/M 80286 system in the early 80's. The system disk was pulled from the S-100 box when it was retired, and the original floppies are long gone. I figure if I can find either a Z80 or 8086 version of the TIP program I can get the system directory off the backup tapes. Does anyone know more about these tape drives? A binary of the TIP program? Jack Peacock

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Mini-Monitors?

by peacock＠simconv.com

>There are (were?) a few vendors that made very nice single chip solutions >for converting base VGA into something an LCD could use. > >Hitachi? > Cirrus Logic made LCD controllers that would drive an LCD and also an external monitor. I have an older Compal TS-38 laptop with the chip, driving a dual scan color LCD, but with a switch to go to an external monitor.

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IIRC

by fauradon＠pclink.com

I've seen Him/Them Beign flamed about it on some newsgroup (pretty funny too), other than that Have no idea. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon -----Original Message----- From: Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 11:56 PM Subject: Re: IIRC >On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Francois wrote: > >> Well, "If I Recall Corectly" that's what it means. > >BTW, whatever happened to lisard/communa? The consistency with which >"they" used pronouns was impressive: IIRC -> iwrc. > >-- Doug >

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