- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by walgen＠do.isst.fhg.de

Hi "collectors of classic computers" I'd like to inform you that the URL of the HomeComputer-Museum (HCM) will change. So if you have a URL pointing to the HomeComputer-Museum (HCM) at http://192.102.161.122/~walgen or http://jupiter.do.isst.fhg.de/~walgen please update your URL/Bookmark to: http://www.HomeComputer.de/ this URL will be permanent - THANKS

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Compaq//safety issues

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

LARTed with a tesla coil, right? So how do you propose using a pc in a building without three-prong sockets? >I do, and if I catch anyone removing safety earth connections in my >workshop, they will be LARTed. I am serious. I've worked enough with the >mains to know how dangerous it can be. > I doubt 240 vs. 110 is much difference as far as heart muscle is concerned >(a) If I want to commit suicide I will do :-). But I don't want to set >booby traps in my workshop. Perhaps I'm more careful becausewe've got 240V >mains here. > So, why have I never felt anything touching a PC case? I've done it many times, I've touched insides many times, and I've never felt so much as a tingle. Would I be able to use a VOM to find this voltage? > >Right, an explanation. The 'Earth' wire goes to the metal PC case, and >also to the thrid pin of the plug. 'Neutral' is connected to earth at the >main distribution board (US), last distribution transformer (UK), and is >effectively earth. And live is 110V (or 240V) above that. > >Now, the 2 capacitors on the left form a capacitive potential divider. So >if the earth wire is not bonded to ground, then the midpoint of that is >going to be at half mains voltage - 55V (or 120V) wrt neutral, which is >efectively local earth. That means the case of the PC - the external metal >case - is at that voltage wrt local earth. Now the capacitor values >_should_ limit the available current, but I'd not bet on it. Also, the >capacitors should be a special safety type which are unable to fail >shorted (I forget the type - it's either class X or class Y), but I've >seen plenty of cheap-n-nasty PSUs with just 600V capacitors in this >position. If I spot them like that, they get replaced, BTW. > >And that's what I'm going on about. Not that the keyboard was live, but >that the metal case of the PC had a significant voltage wrt local earth. >Normally you'd not notice it - the front panel is probably plastic, so >are the floppy drives, etc. But reach round the back to plug in the >keyboard cable, touch the back of the case, and zap! > > >> like mine, it's very difficult to maintain wiring and even talk about > >> sometime...I'm very lax with safety precautions. There is no way the > >I am not fanatical about safety - I do plenty of things that can be >considered dangerous. I use machine tools, I change CRTs, I work on >30kV supplies, I work on mains, I repair SMPSUs, I even work on live >equipment if necessary. And yes I defeat safety interlocks if there's a >good reason for so doing, and I know what the consequences are. But there's >no way you'll catch me removing an earth connection without a _very_ good >reason. > > >> boy could have electrocuted himself with any modern keyboard I know >> of, since it's mostly impossible to get to the components inside them >> w/o taking the thing apart. An XT keyboard, OTOH, is metal which > >The backplate of an XT keyboard is connected to the body of the DIN plug. >If that's live for any reason, then there's something seriously wrong - >see above. > >> could kill someone if the keyboard is damaged or plugged into the > >There is no voltage on a keyboard connector that can kill - at least not >if the rest of the PC is correctly wired. I'd touch any component in a >working XT keyboard and I'd live to tell the tale. > >> wrong place. More likely is that he touched a bad power cable with >> hand. If the PC got moved and the keyboard got unplugged, it could >> undo any cables spliced together w/scotch tape (another of my bad > >Argh!!! I prefer to use proper cable joined with proper connectors - with >insulation and strain reliefs. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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VC404 The Standard

by amichael＠nortel.ca

In message "VC404 The Standard", lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com writes: > One of my recent curbside finds is a machine put out by a Canadian company >based in Waterloo Ont called Volker-Craig model vg-400. On the front it has a >title VC404 The Standard. I also have a 404, discarded from a university lab many years ago. These terminals seem to have been popular in university student terminal rooms because they were relatively cheap. I seem to recall that the company founders were ex-University of Waterloo people. I've seen 404s not just in Canada but also in Britain, where they were the standard terminals on a university Vax system I once used. So I'm not too surprised Tony has a tech manual. (Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Tony had a tech manual for Noah's Ark :) >It has a k-b attached with ribbon cable Unfortunately the keyboards were not that robust and after a few generations of students pounding away on them, the keyboard or the ribbon cable often became unreliable. >In the back it >has a 25 pin RS232 connector, a BNC labelled "composite video" ,2 switches : >one 3-pos.to configure parity the other "Transparent on off" That video connector on the back was useful for hooking into a big classroom overhead monitor so a whole class could learn from observing a terminal session. These terminals are very helpful for debugging RS-232 communications. The "transparent" switch on the back lets you choose to display all the ASCII control codes (eg, instead of performing a "line feed" it displays a little LF symbol). Larry, I don't have any tech docs but I do have a thin user manual. About all it tells you is what the special control codes are to clear the screen, move the cursor, etc. Still, it's the information you need to run Wordstar with it! E-mail me with your snail-mail address and I'll run off a copy for you. Regards, Arlen -- Arlen Michaels Nortel Ottawa, Canada (613) 763-2568 amichael(a)nortel.ca

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New rescue list

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I have never gotten real spam to my address, non-real spam being unwanted jokes and chain letters from people who have my address. It's amazing, every few weeks the "Bill Gates goes to heaven" joke is rediscovered... >I don't know, fact is that my SPAM statistc shows an increase >of around 5% since I'm on this list - this might be just the >usual SPAM inflation, but taking your guesses, it might also >be list related. (My SPAM statistics are don by my self made >SPAM killer bot - a vcollection of key word filters - the most >usefull filter just triggering '$$$' :) > >Gruss >H. > >-- >Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut >HRK > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Mac Portable Progress

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Weird. Maybe there is damage to some ROM somewhere? If you have another floppy drive, try plugging that in. I've never had any problems with my Superdrive >On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:45:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Owad <tomowad(a)earthlink.net> >wrote: > >> 3. It will not accept an 800k disk formatted by an SE/30 which >>contains System 6.0.1. >> 4. It *will* accept an 800k installer disk, but it complains that >the >>disk contains a "minimal" script file, and that I need a "full" install >>script. Arrrgh... > >>>So you actually get a happy Mac when you insert that disk? Have you >>>tried a genuine System Tools disk? > > Yes, this is an *original* 6.0.1 installer disk from the aforementioned >SE/30. It boots, but complains about the script type. This is the *only* >disk that I've gotten to work so far. > > >Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> > - ClubWin/CW6 > - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking > - Preserver of "classic" computers ><<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>> > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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#%&@! more compaq...

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I am sorry, but I really have to ask this before I do anything else. THe keyboard ribbon cable on the thing had some chipped contacts at the location of a bend near the socket. This prevented use of many keys. So, I trimmed the cable. This lets the kb work fine, but is barely long enough to get to the edge connector, and once there it won't stay properly. And now the damn thing is becoming chipped again. What should I do? I can't replace the ribbon because the whole keyboard circuit board is one piece of plastic film (two layers). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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New rescue list

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:41 PM 7/22/98 -0700, you wrote: >>I'm also planning obfuscation of e-mail addresses, to foil spammers. My [...] >That hardly seems worth it. Do that robots really browse web pages for >email addresses (particularly pages like this)? And what if my email Yep, they do. I've got a page stored on my pager that came from a spammer trolling for e-mail addresses on web pages. (My pager can be reached at <4152010273(a)alphapage.airtouch.com> and there is are links to said address on my site.) I've gotten several such pages (but only keep the one to show people.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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FW: Web page of possible interest

by kyrrin＠jps.net

I was corresponding with this fellow a while back. He indicated that some or all of the gear listed -might- get shipped to a staging point in the US of A. I've had no further word on that, and I'm in no position to buy anything right at the moment. However, that may not hold true for other CLASSICCMP'ers. With that in mind, check out the site and, if interested, contact Mr. Tey directly. Attachment follows. -=-=- <snip> -=-=- >X-Sender: wmtey(a)post1.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) >Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:41:11 +0800 >To: "Anuar Omar" <omara(a)tm.net.my>, joe(a)ar.co.th, sakchai(a)ar.co.th, > Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)jps.net>, chaiyut(a)irc.co.th, <big snip of CC's> >From: william tey <wmtey(a)post1.com> >Subject: bargain hunting! > >pls visit our web page at: > >http://www.berkeley.com.sg/surplus.htm > >for best bargain in town! > > >william tey >berkeley electronics pte ltd >135 joo seng road #05-03 >pm industrial building >singapore 368363 >joo chiat p.o. box 0859 >singapore 914202 >tel: (65)382-5998, fax: (65)382-5982 >email: wmtey(a)post1.com > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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New rescue list

by franke＠sbs.de

> Unfortunatly anyone that posts to this list is suceptable to SPAM since > these message are archived on the web. > Then again, maybe I'm just starting to get overly paranoid, but I doubt it. I don't know, fact is that my SPAM statistc shows an increase of around 5% since I'm on this list - this might be just the usual SPAM inflation, but taking your guesses, it might also be list related. (My SPAM statistics are don by my self made SPAM killer bot - a vcollection of key word filters - the most usefull filter just triggering '$$$' :) Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Wanted: Another magazine article series

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 10:19 PM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:56:30, Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > > >> Does anyone have a copy of the Tim Patterson (Seattle Computer >Products) >>article series from Byte? I belive that it talked about DOS (...or QDOS or >>86/DOS...). Thanks. >> >>>I may have the original article. What issue was it in? > Does anyone know if there was an index published for BYTE? Don't remember even annual ones in the Dec. issues. I always missed them. I do have a short one which goes to the end of 1976. Some of my issues are in boxes where I cannot get to very easily. -Dave

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Wanted: Another magazine article series

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:56:30, Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > Does anyone have a copy of the Tim Patterson (Seattle Computer Products) >article series from Byte? I belive that it talked about DOS (...or QDOS or >86/DOS...). Thanks. > >>I may have the original article. What issue was it in? I don't know. Tim Shoppa mentioned the article series last week, and since I'm on a DOS 1.1 reverse engineering kick lately, I thought that the article would be appropriate. I would guess if Tim Patterson is talking about the predecessor of DOS, it would be in the late-79 to mid-80 range (hedging by bets a little). I guess that it could be as late as mid-1981 (based on the introduction of the 5150). Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW6 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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New rescue list

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>Okay, I am now irked enough at that dead "Rescue List", that I've put up my >own version of it, copied from the old one. I hereby bring the ancient curse >upon myself. Great! >I'm also planning obfuscation of e-mail addresses, to foil spammers. My >favorite scheme is to insert extra letters, and leave an English description >of how to correct it (such as abcxde(a)foox.baxr "remove x's"). Let me know >if you object to this treatment of your address. That hardly seems worth it. Do that robots really browse web pages for email addresses (particularly pages like this)? And what if my email address has an 'x' in it? Anyway, please add me to the list. Pennsylvania Tom Owad York, PA tomowad(a)earthlink.net Location: Southcentral PA., Willing to pick up. How far I'll go depends on how interesting the computer is. Area of Interest: Anything other than IBM PC's and compatibles, especially Apples and DECs Thanks, Tom -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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Mac Portable Progress

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:45:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Owad <tomowad(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > 3. It will not accept an 800k disk formatted by an SE/30 which >contains System 6.0.1. > 4. It *will* accept an 800k installer disk, but it complains that the >disk contains a "minimal" script file, and that I need a "full" install >script. Arrrgh... >>So you actually get a happy Mac when you insert that disk? Have you >>tried a genuine System Tools disk? Yes, this is an *original* 6.0.1 installer disk from the aforementioned SE/30. It boots, but complains about the script type. This is the *only* disk that I've gotten to work so far. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW6 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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Compaq

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Do you have those weird two-prong things? My building is full of them They're screws with a rounded head, and nothing on it but two little pits. >> > Ever done an IBM 5151 monitor? It's painful, and the details are not in >> > any IBM manual (for all there's a schematic given). >> >> The thing I don't like about a lot of IBM stuff is the torx screws with a >> pin in the middle to stop as ordinary torx bit fitting. (I have been known > >Yes, PC power supplies tend to be full of them. The proper tool - a >tamperproof Torx bit - is pretty easy to obtain, actually. As are >tamperproof hex (like allen keys with a hole in the middle), tri-wing, >Torq, etc. I have the lot... > >-tony > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:04 AM 7/21/98 PDT, you wrote: >knowing that the thing must be turned. What's a CLI? CLI: Command Line Interface (As in, DOS, CP/M, RSTS/E, (sometimes) Unix, TRSDOS, MPE, etc.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Manual available

by kyrrin＠jps.net

This one actually cost me some bucks, so I'll want to get at least something for it. However, I promise not to be outrageous. ;-) I have an operating/service manual, brand new, for the Hewlett-Packard 3456A DVM (yes, the meter's over ten years old -- produced in 1982, to be exact). I'd like to see it go to someone who has one of the meters but no manual. HP gets $44.00 plus tax for the thing. I'm asking $25.00, plus postage. Anyone? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Subscribe?

by sie＠systemfile.demon.co.uk

How do I subscribe to this list? I've tried -request, -admin e.t.c. Cheers, Sie

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Compaq

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Sorry about the blanks, folks, Lynx doesn't let me delete them. This one I must agree with. Thank god I had some metric phillips drivers to turn those Torx screws!!! >You forgot one category: Most difficult to open. The last LTE I tried to >open required the skill of a surgeon to dissassemble. > >Jeff > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Compaq//safety issues

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

For one thing, I don't think there's anything wrong with cheaters, I have three or four connected to power strips and a microwave. If a problem should happen, touching the case could cause instant death, but a) so what b) what are the odds c)in an old apartment building like mine, it's very difficult to maintain wiring and even talk about it to the landlord. They won't even replace the valves on the radiators! I might decide to actually attach those things to ground sometime...I'm very lax with safety precautions. There is no way the boy could have electrocuted himself with any modern keyboard I know of, since it's mostly impossible to get to the components inside them w/o taking the thing apart. An XT keyboard, OTOH, is metal which could kill someone if the keyboard is damaged or plugged into the wrong place. More likely is that he touched a bad power cable with hand. If the PC got moved and the keyboard got unplugged, it could undo any cables spliced together w/scotch tape (another of my bad habits). In general, it's not too hard to believe. There's nothing that could be done to prevent this from happening every so often. > >I would offer the following possible explanations : > >The PC was earthed (as it should be), and the boy was carrying a static >charge. Zap!, but not fatal, or even a cause of serious injury. Touching >any piece of earthed metal would have had the same effect > >The PC case was connected to mains earth, which for some reason due to >dangerous wiring wasn't the same as the local earth. If that's the case, >time to check out all the wiring before more accidents happen. > >The PC case wasn't earthed, and was floating at about half mains voltage >due to the filtering components. This is acutally a nasty problem, and is >caused by idiots who use those 2 pin cheater adapters. The mains filter >capacitors shouldn't be able to pass enough current to be fatal, but I'd >not bet on it. > >The boy tried to plug the keyboard into something other than the PC's >keyboard port :-). > >> are trying to conn a computer out of their parents. >> If I hear any more I will pass it along. >> >> Charlie Fox >> >> > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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New rescue list

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Okay, I am now irked enough at that dead "Rescue List", that I've put up my own version of it, copied from the old one. I hereby bring the ancient curse upon myself. The URL is http://www.cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp/ccrs_list.html . I have added a "Current as of" date for each person, to help root out obsolete info. Right now, those are all set to the list creation date (11-Jun-97). If you find any of your info is wrong, let me know. I'm also planning obfuscation of e-mail addresses, to foil spammers. My favorite scheme is to insert extra letters, and leave an English description of how to correct it (such as abcxde(a)foox.baxr "remove x's"). Let me know if you object to this treatment of your address. Bill.

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VLB Ethernet card

by boss＠ibmhelp.com

I'm not sure if this would qualify as classic or not, but I have a little VLB 486 machine that needs a 32-bit Ethernet BNC NIC. If you have one you'd like to unload, please email. I've got a bunch of old books and manuals (mostly IBM stuff) for trade, or I have some money laying around if you prefer it. <g> thanks David -- David Wollmann DST / DST Data Conversion ICQ: 10742063 http://www.ibmhelp.com/

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off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq

by peacock＠simconv.com

On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote: > If our American friends will forgive my patriotic prejudice, the main > reason I have less than no wish to go and work/live in the US is the > legal system and culture that generates occurrences like these. I guess you have to grow up with the right mindset. True, the system is bizarre, but sometimes it can work in your favor too, if you can get a better shyster^h^h^h^h^h lawyer. And in the end, if you can't get justice any other way, there are always alternative options, such as a firebomb through the window at midnight, or for those especially egregious offenses, a business deal with your local mafia representative to "eliminate" the problem once and for all time (a time honored tradition here in Las Vegas). Jack Peacock

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off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq

by Marty＠itgonline.com

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 7/22/98 5:15 PM Jack Peacock wrote: >And in the end, if you can't get justice any other way, there are always >alternative options, such as a firebomb through the window at midnight, >or for those especially egregious offenses, a business deal with your >local mafia representative to "eliminate" the problem once and for all >time (a time honored tradition here in Las Vegas). > Jack Peacock As my friend, Vinnie, once told me many years ago, "Legbreakers are cheaper than lawyers, and often more effective". The other piece of advice he gave me was, "Never antagonize guys whose middle name is 'The'. R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies. ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Jul22.171540.1767.52764; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:15:41 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id NAA26318; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:47 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id NAA39878 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:44 -0700 Received: from mail3.sirius.com (mail3.sirius.com [205.134.253.133]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id NAA25548 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:43 -0700 Received: from [205.134.227.91] (ppp-asfm04--192.sirius.net [205.134.240.192]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id NAA11730 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <v03007802b1dc0c503522(a)[205.134.227.91]> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:40:48 -0800 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rax <rax(a)warbaby.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: RE: off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq In-Reply-To: <41F0302DCC1BD011AF6100AA00B845A816C4E2(a)mail.simconv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: rax(a)pop.sirius.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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off topic: rediculous law suits was Re: Compaq

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>>> Pilot and passenger die in 1947 Piper Cub afer crashing on take off. >>> Two fatal, payment over $25,000,000. Reason, no shoulder harnesses. [rest of story snipped - you've all seen it several times!] > I have to throw in my 2 cents worth. You read about this stuff but you > wonder if it really happens. IT DOES! A member of my family was one of > the defendents in a trial very similar to this. The thing about that trial > that amazed me was the facts that were keep FROM the jury. The behind the > scenes rangling to suppress evidence was incredible. It's no wonder > lawyers get such huge settlements considering how the jurys are > manipulated and spoon feed only what the lawyers want them to hear. What price the oath to tell "the whole truth"? (In danger of getting seriously off topic here!) If our American friends will forgive my patriotic prejudice, the main reason I have less than no wish to go and work/live in the US is the legal system and culture that generates occurrences like these. It is marginally (but only marginally) better over here - European harmonisation is making it worse, as did the Margaret Thatcher premiership... Philip.

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classic computer list??

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Lawrence Walker wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Wayne Cox wrote: > > > Hi, I was given this email address as being the "Classic Computer > > > Collectors List." Not sure if it is a "subscribe to" mailing list or an > > > individual. > > > > This is THE place 8-) Hope you got subscribed ok - if not - try again. > > ... > > Name: Classic Computer Rescue List > > URL: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1055/classic.html > > (Collectors by areas) > > Name: The Classic Computer Encyclopedia Page > > URL: http://www.xnet.com/~danjo/classic/ > > (Darn near dead - no input for about 6 months...) > > Name: Classic Computer ListOp > > URL: http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp/ > > (Hmmmm... Bill - ya want to move this to a working system?) > > > > And don't forget Bill Yakowenko's classiccmp distributed Web-page archives at > > http://www .cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp Uh, I took that down due to zero participation. A distributed anything with only one node is a truly pitiful sight. There is still a web page there, but now it's just my own little corner of the web - no more grand schemes. Bill.

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QIC-36/QIC-02

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)servtech.com> wrote: > DC600 carts are the _physical_ media on which data is stored. I wasn't > saying DC600 is a format nor was QICxx a format HP uses (never knew what > protocol HP used 'til you mentioned HCD a bit later in yr msg.) Yes, the physical carts seem to be the same -- it's easy enough to scribble over the HCD formatting with a QIC format, at which point the tape is no longer usable in an HCD drive. So far as I know the HCD formatting must be written at the factory, and the tapes I've seen have had either HP or 3M labels on them. HP also seems to put down its own higher-level format on the tapes that it sells. Here's a story: Once upon a time the purchasing agent found she could save a few bucks ordering the 3M flavor of the tapes, and so we got one for testing. Well...on the 3000, the software for manipulating these things treats them as serial discs (which is exactly as wacky as it sounds, the tape drive is a CS/80 device and so the tapes are addressed by block), and so you're supposed to use the VINIT tool to format the "disc" and "serialize" it (i.e. write a volume label that says "this is a serial disc" for auto-volume recognition to read later). So what I noticed in my tests was that the 3M tape, when new, took 15 minutes for the FORMAT step, vs. the HP tapes which took seconds. I suspect that the time was taken by the tape drive formatting the tape and writing out the canonical CS/80 stuff like bad-block sparing tables and so forth, and that HP does this at their factory. -Frank McConnell

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Idiots

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Fine, fine, if you insist...in ' The Soul of a New Machine', it is mentioned that IBM in the late '70s was in court almost continuously. What was the bulk of this about? > >How about classic computers? > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 07/21/98] > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Idiots

by franke＠sbs.de

> Thread getting old now...how about talking about abortion, politics, or > environmental issues? Or maybe ice fishing. Cripes... Cripes ????? H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Idiots

by franke＠sbs.de

> While we're on this subject, are stupid lawsuits as common in UK > and other countries as the US? No, at least in Germany most of these laughable cases are rejectet from court. But we like to laugh about the US system. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by franke＠sbs.de

> Hans Franke wrote: >> b) I had, until I switched to ISDN, still a 1927 Telephone >> in every day use. Worked fine, even with the latest (analogue) >> exchange :) - Noy I connect it via an a/b adaptor. > Well done. But, pardon my ignorance, what is an a/b adaptor? Sorry German tech talk - a/b are the 'names' of the two wires for two wire (analogue) telephone connections - and an a/b-adaptor is just a ISDN <-> analogue converter - so you van connect old phones (dtmf and pulse) to ISDN lines. > I've often wondered about adding a BCD-DTMF chip and a pulse counter to > make dial phones do tones for all the robots you ring up and have to > type numbers to communicate with. But where do I put # and *? > Suggestions? SHIFT-ALT-CTRL-1 ? Grin(s) H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Hans Franke wrote: > b) I had, until I switched to ISDN, still a 1927 Telephone > in every day use. Worked fine, even with the latest (analogue) > exchange :) - Noy I connect it via an a/b adaptor. Well done. But, pardon my ignorance, what is an a/b adaptor? I've often wondered about adding a BCD-DTMF chip and a pulse counter to make dial phones do tones for all the robots you ring up and have to type numbers to communicate with. But where do I put # and *? Suggestions? Philip.

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Iomega ALPHA-10

by cfandt＠servtech.com

I need a manual or a decent copy of one and any other available info on the Iomega ALPHA-10 SCSI removable disk drive. Nothing at the Iomega website, just the newer stuff. Thanks, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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Idiots

by sie＠systemfile.demon.co.uk

-----Original Message----- From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: 22 July 1998 19:00 Subject: Re: Idiots >On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Max Eskin wrote: > >> While we're on this subject, are stupid lawsuits as common in UK >> and other countries as the US? >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >It is my understanding that in UK the loser pays all legal costs which >tends to discourage filing frivolous suits. No, this is no the case. I know personaly of a case where the victim lost more in expenses bringing the case to court than the offender was eventually fined for the offence. It's all a bit backward in the UK I'm afraid. Compensation for serious injury is a complete joke. We have murderers released from prison after serving only half of their sentance. So, while I laugh at the "My neighbour pulled a nasty face at my cat" type lawsuits in the US. I do feel that the system in the UK is grossly unfair in the opposite way, with the victims of crime rarely receiving justice. Sie

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RT-11 Help

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Hello List-ites.... I have a question for the non-RT11-impaired among us: I am attempting (sporadically) to get an 11/34a back in it's original shape, when it ran a Hollywood audio company's accounting and sales functions. It had two RK05s and several software packages running under MACRO, Unix, and USCD pSystem Pascal. Right now only one of the drives is hooked up, set to drive '0'. It will boot and run the UCSD stuff and it will boot RT-11(V2.0).... except that, in 7 out of the 7 packs with RT-11.... it is as if KMON was missing or damaged; it boots up to the dot prompt and then returns the ?ILL? message no matter which command I give it. I have RT-11(V5.0) on my 11/73 and it is fully functional, so I have had some cursory (N.P.I.) experience with the OS. I am at another one of those self-teaching impasses.. I can't do much more with the system the way it is... sigh. Has anyone any ideas? Magic words? Mystery switches? Or should I just chuck this wretched humiliating heavy loud time-consuming suppossed-to-be-a-fun-toy..... sorry. Time for my meds again. I'm fine now... quite calm actually. help. Cheers..... John PS: Anyone found a junk Kennedy 9300 tape machine whose vacuum column door is in good shape... I *need* one real bad.... J

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WTB: Jupiter Ace

by sie＠systemfile.demon.co.uk

Anyone got a Jupiter Ace they'd be prepared to part with ? Sie

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Compaq (off topic)

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> That's dead, I'll replace it. Should I also change the black bar- >> shaped 7.5 v cell? It's dead too, and I don't know what it's for. > > I'm not sure if the 7.5V bettery is required for the machine to power > up, on the other hand, it wasn't _designed_ to be dead, so it can do no > harm to replace it. It isn't required. Replacing mine did no good (ie powered up but didn't retain all settings, with old or new battery). New ones, being NiCd, are supplied fully discharged anyway. Philip.

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Compaq

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> This one I must agree with. Thank god I had some metric phillips >> drivers to turn those Torx screws!!! >> >You forgot one category: Most difficult to open. The last LTE I tried >> to >> >open required the skill of a surgeon to dissassemble. Phillips driver to turn a Torx screw? Shame on you! Flat bladed much more effective provided you select the correct width ;-) > Since when does the use of Torx screws make something difficult to > dismantle? They're a lot better than the crosspoint (Phillips, Pozidriv, > etc) screws, which almost seem to be designed to cause the driver to > 'cam out' when you try to shift them. > > Dismantling is easy, anyway. It's getting it back together that's > interesting... Dismantling the LTE-lite 20 is not easy. For those who wish to have a go: 1. Find the four obvious screws at the back of the case. Make sure they are properly done up :-) Don't undo them! If you do you will cause permanent damage. 2. Remove battery. Screwdriver inside battery compartment will pop some of the clips that hold the top cover off. 3. Work around the edges, using additional force at the front corners, until top cover fully popped. Then fold screen right back and lift off cover. 4. Next undo the screw that holds the display cable in place (for cable read flexible pcb) and unplug said cable. 5. Then and only then can you undo the four screws at the back, and detach the screen. Thereafter, fairly obvious. All the screws are Torx 9, except for a few very small phillips in the display... If you start by undoing the obvious screws, you will tear the display cable, and it costs around 30 pounds to replace. Compaq don't sell to the general public. but will tell you the names of dealers who do. (Guess how I found that out!) Philip.

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Idiots

by Marty＠itgonline.com

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Idiots Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 7/22/98 2:09 PM -----Original Message----- From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: 22 July 1998 19:00 Subject: Re: Idiots >On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Max Eskin wrote: > >> While we're on this subject, are stupid lawsuits as common in UK >> and other countries as the US? >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >It is my understanding that in UK the loser pays all legal costs which >tends to discourage filing frivolous suits. No, this is no the case. I know personaly of a case where the victim lost more in expenses bringing the case to court than the offender was eventually fined for the offence. It's all a bit backward in the UK I'm afraid. Compensation for serious injury is a complete joke. We have murderers released from prison after serving only half of their sentance. So, while I laugh at the "My neighbour pulled a nasty face at my cat" type lawsuits in the US. I do feel that the system in the UK is grossly unfair in the opposite way, with the victims of crime rarely receiving justice. Sie ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Jul22.140944.1767.52719; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:09:45 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id LAA17437; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:07:29 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id LAA71130 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:07:25 -0700 Received: from rubicon.hasler.ascom.ch (rubicon.hasler.ascom.ch [139.79.129.1]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id LAA11798 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:07:23 -0700 Received: from ens.ascom.ch (chieftain.ens.ascom.ch [139.79.60.1]) by rubicon.hasler.ascom.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA29648 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:07:16 +0200 (MET DS T) Received: from htva03 (htva03.ens.ascom.ch) by ens.ascom.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA09613; Wed, 22 Jul 98 20:08:47 +0200 Message-Id: <006f01bdb5a3$fb1fbda0$96a14f8b(a)htva03.ens.ascom.ch> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:07:32 +0100 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Sie Raybould" <sie(a)systemfile.demon.co.uk> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Idiots Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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Compaq

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Generally I'd agree, but in the case of the DEC VR201 I was challenged < > It took me some 2 hrs. and I was ready to rip the case off before I fina < > figured out that "that interesting little button on the rear" concealed < > screw that held it all together. I think some fine art students on peyot < > must have designed that case. It is unique I will admit. < > < > ciao larry < > lwalker(a)interlog.com While the VT100 case was easy to open the legal climate changed and easy to open meant users (meaning idiots) should open it and hurt themselves so they could sue. Screws like that oen in the VR200 and also others were meant as a legal dodge as if you went through all the trouble to open that you were delberate and if anything bad happnes it's on your head not DECs. As some oen involved in the design process we always had to banance easy to open with should it be openable at all. I know I was around DEC from 83->93 and worked with the corperate safety folks. You would not believe the stories we would share... Allison

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

Tony ended his long discourse on telephones with: > In practice, you're not going to damage the exchange no matter what you do > to the line at the subscriber end. The incoming lines are protected by an > array of spark gaps (probably gas filled), fuses and 'heat coils'. The old > electromechanical exchanges were certainly protected against lightening, > contact between telephone lines and (600V-ish) power lines, etc. Mains, at > the far end of the line, is trivial in comparison. ISTR that at our sites (electricity supply industry) we have to install special isolators on phone lines if the rise in local earth potential due to an earth fault exceeds 650V. Such sites are known as "hot sites". The implication is, anything less than 650V to ground the exchange can cope with. Besides, I think the limiting factor is safety of engineers working at exchanges... Philip.

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Idiots

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

While we're on this subject, are stupid lawsuits as common in UK and other countries as the US? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by peacock＠simconv.com

> I've often wondered about adding a BCD-DTMF chip and a pulse counter to make dial phones do tones for all the robots you ring up and have to type numbers to communicate with. But where do I put # and *? Suggestions? Do what I do, refuse to use robot phone systems, always wait till an operator comes on line. If a company is too cheap to pay someone to answer the phone I certainly don't want to do business with them, it's a clear indication of the level of service I can expect. Jack Peacock

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Idiots

by peacock＠simconv.com

> While we're on this subject, are stupid lawsuits as common in UK and other countries as the US? There was the slander lawsuit in the UK brought by McDonalds against some food activist pressure group. On the surface it sounded stupid, took forever, but in the end it proved to be a wise business choice for McDonalds. IIRC McDonalds won some small victory from it but it was a brilliant first strike to stop any future pressure groups. On the other hand even McDonalds loses a few. I think it was the McDonalds in downtown Shanghai, the Chinese Govt decided they wanted the property and booted McD out even thought McD had a lease on it. McD tried to sue in Chinese court, which surely qualifies as a stupid lawsuit in China. Jack peacock

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Compaq (off topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Well, I bought a replacement coin battery...it's starting up off the SMPSU from my Packard Bell. Hmm...the screen on my Mac Portable is a million times better...how do I get into the CMOS setup in this thing? Since the settings are reset, I can't get to the hard drive for any potential setup programs. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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For your amusement only....

by cfandt＠servtech.com

FWIW: just to give some of you a bit of fun; no futher discussion needed here as it's kinda off topic. Found this in comp.sys.ibm.sys3x.misc. Don't know for sure if Mr. Welch really gave the press rls. Posted on Thu, 16 Jul 1998: At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry and stated: "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving twenty-five dollar cars that got 1000 miles to the gallon. In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating (by Mr. Welch himself): If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics: 1. For no reason whatsoever your car would crash twice a day. 2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road you would have to buy a new car. 3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason, and you would just accept this, restart and drive on. 4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn, would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine. 5. Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought "Car95" or "CarNT". But then you would have to buy more seats. 6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, reliable, five times as fast, and twice as easy to drive, but would only run on five per cent of the roads. 7. The oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single "general car default" warning light. 8. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt. 9. The air bag system would say "Are you sure?" before going off. 10. Occasionally for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grab hold of the radio antenna. 11. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need or want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the car's performance to diminish by 50% or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Department. 12. Every time GM introduced a new model car, buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car. 13. You'd press the "start" button to shut off the engine. -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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Compaq//safety issues

by bill.sheehan＠stoneweb.com

While I suppose it's technically possible to be electrocuted by anything plugged into a wall outlet, I really have a hard time buying this story. There's got to be more to it than that. Can you tell me in what newspaper it appeared? "Charles E. Fox" <foxvideo(a)wincom.net> on 07/22/98 09:47:50 AM Please respond to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> cc: (bcc: Bill Sheehan/Corporate/SWEC) Subject: Re: Compaq//safety issues Todays paper has an article about a fourteen year old Southern Ontario boy who electrocuted himself while using his computer "when the keyboard became disconnected and he tried to plug it in"!! This sounds nearly impossible and very hard on all the young people who are trying to conn a computer out of their parents. If I hear any more I will pass it along. Charlie Fox

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Overpriced ZX80

by franke＠sbs.de

>> $460!!!! That CAN'T right! I going to throw away my Altair and start >> looking for Sinclairs to sell on E-pay! > But to us british the ZX80 has the same nostalgic value as an Altair. The > highest price I have seen a ZX80 go for here in the UK was 180 UKP but > this example was fully boxed, the correct manuals, mint condition and > known to work. 460 USD ? 180 UKP ? Wooha! And I just gave away a ZX80 for free last week (to a fellow collector - Stefan, did you check it ? Working ?). Althrugh it is an early ZX80 (see the glossing 'Keyboard' ? Later modells had a darkened keymat to give a chance for guessing the keys) I wouldn't pay anything more than DM 80-100 (~ USD 60, UKP 30) - no way. ZX80 is sill somewhat common. There are a lot of newer devices that are realy rare. Shure, the ZX81 is for most people more nostalgic than any KIM, AIM or Altair, since it was (together with the ZX81) the first computer for a real lot of people. Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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Overpriced ZX80

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Doug Yowza wrote: < < > For your amusement: < > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=21496167 < < I am so utterly appalled at this. Sounds like the old practice of having a shill drive up the price. Allison

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Compaq

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

LOL, i love that disclaimer. time to reedit my .sig file... perhaps everyone should use it nowadays? In a message dated 98-07-21 23:57:06 EDT, Don Maslin put forth: << Disclaimer: As a resident of the '90's, I take no responsibility for anything I say or do. If any of my actions hurt or offend anyone, it was probably not my fault, and the result of some childhood trauma which I've probably repressed. >>

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Overpriced ZX80

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 10:20 PM 7/21/98 -0500, you wrote: >For your amusement: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=21496167 > >-- Doug $460!!!! That CAN'T right! I going to throw away my Altair and start looking for Sinclairs to sell on E-pay! (Just kidding!!!!!!!!) Go look at his other ads. He has a 1 cent paper bill that some fool has bid $5 for!

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test

by blndpete＠raex.com

Hi every one this a test, I am just checking addresses. Pete Net-Tamer V 1.11 - Registered

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Mac Portable Progress

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

> 1. The portable won't accept a 1.44mb disk created with a PowerMac >but that contains System 6.0.1 (I get the disk with the "X" in it). I >thought that the drive was a 1.44mb disk. The Mac Portables did ship with 1.44mb drives, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's what yours has. I came across one once that had been replaced with an 800k. > 3. It will not accept an 800k disk formatted by an SE/30 which >contains System 6.0.1. > 4. It *will* accept an 800k installer disk, but it complains that the >disk contains a "minimal" script file, and that I need a "full" install >script. Arrrgh... So you actually get a happy Mac when you insert that disk? Have you tried a genuine System Tools disk? Tom Owad -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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Compaq

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Person tries to commit suicide using electric drill. Not fatal, >significant brain damage. Heirs sue and the award is in the millions. >Reason, does not say the drill should not be used for surgery. >Pilot and passenger die in 1947 Piper Cub afer crashing on take off. >Two fatal, payment over $25,000,000. Reason, no shoulder harnesses. This may be simply anecdotal, but keeping in mind the other two: Man (accidently) walks into spinning tail rotor of helicopter... his family sues because it wasn't placarded that it might be dangerous to walk into rotating blades... ("Think of it as evolution in action.") :-) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Overpriced ZX80

by higginbo＠netpath.net

Ya know, I sold one of these for about $15 one time, not too long ago, wait, mine was the ZX81. C'mon guys, let's all sell our computers on ebay! After we become billionaires, we can buy out microsoft and make Slick Billy lick our boots! :) At 10:20 PM 7/21/98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote: >For your amusement: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=21496167 > >-- Doug > > - - john higginbotham ____________________________ - webmaster www.pntprinting.com - - limbo limbo.netpath.net -

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Compaq

by allisonp＠world.std.com

classic Safety things... LP25 gas springs that would die and drop the lid on the unwary head under it. Service engineer installing an RL02 in top of a mostly empty 50" cab has it topple forward and suffers injury. Reason, failed to extend and tighten anti-tip foot in the front of cab, disk installed against recommendations. Injuries include fracture and lacerations to leg. In the greater realm there are some that are near urban legend save for companies really paid for the frivilous though profitable(for someone) litigation of the 80s. Person tries to commit suicide using electric drill. Not fatal, significant brain damage. Heirs sue and the award is in the millions. Reason, does not say the drill should not be used for surgery. Two guys get drunk, decide they need to trim the hedges using gas powered lawn mower. Non fatal, loss of fingers. Suit paid out of court for 7 digits, reason; didn't say you can't use it for other than mowing lawn anywhere on the machine. Following years all sorts of blade brakes, kill switches and labels appear. Pilot and passenger die in 1947 Piper Cub afer crashing on take off. Two fatal, payment over $25,000,000. Reason, no shoulder harnesses. Special note: Private pilot didn't have required valid flight review for that two year period needed to exercise the privilge of pilot in command. The pilot did not have the required flight time in the previous 90 days to exercise the privledge of carrying passengers. The purpose of flight was commercial photography (private pilot cannot hire out). The plane was modified illegally and improperly to mount a camara for the purpose of the flight was the cause of the loss of visibility for the pilot. The FAA issued in 1978 a directive that all aircraft will have shoulder harnesses installed. Despite an illegal operation, non complying pilot and aircraft an excuse was found to force libility on the manufacturer of the plane of some 40+ years age. < 1. Discourage third party maintenance. Least of the worries. Not a competative issue in reality. Cost to repair was near cost ot manufacuture so they had better be cheap. < 2. Avoid having the problems caused by the #$%^&* plastic clips on the < VT100 breaking. Is there a cheap source of 'em for my pile of VT100's < I've been using bolts and crazy glue and nuts when needed. That was also a consideration. as time progresed better fasteners, cost driven elements and producability items would all instigate various solutions. Allison

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Vic 20 & Commodore 64 peripherals wanted (fwd)

by siconic＠jasmine.psyber.com

Does anybody have any C64 or VIC-20 peripherals to sell? Please see message below tag line. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)verio.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2! See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details [Last web page update: 07/21/98] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:47:50 EDT From: Ferock(a)aol.com To: siconic(a)jasmine.psyber.com Subject: Vic 20 & Commodore 64 I am looking to buy old peripheral equipment for the Commodore 64 and Vic 20. If you know anyone that is interested in selling these please e-mail me or give me a call. Thanks Glenn Ferock(a)aol.com 212-596-9184

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Wanted: Another magazine article series

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: Does anyone have a copy of the Tim Patterson (Seattle Computer Products) article series from Byte? I belive that it talked about DOS (...or QDOS or 86/DOS...). Thanks. Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW6 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

The whole movie makes ya wonder about the future of society. Can't a guy be nice any more without being gay? Annyway, for those who haven't seen it, a supermodel is frantically stabbing at the numbers on the dial, not knowing that the thing must be turned. What's a CLI? >(There's a great scene in In & Out involving a rotary phone... makes ya >think about the future of CLI's...) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- > >Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad >roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." >Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates >San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Mac Portable Progress

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Well, I made some progess with the Mac Portable today. Although I still don't know what the Sad Mac code $0F means (all the FAQs that I've read skip >from $0E to $10). Here's what I've found: 1. The portable won't accept a 1.44mb disk created with a PowerMac but that contains System 6.0.1 (I get the disk with the "X" in it). I thought that the drive was a 1.44mb disk. 2. It will not accept a 400k disk. 3. It will not accept an 800k disk formatted by an SE/30 which contains System 6.0.1. 4. It *will* accept an 800k installer disk, but it complains that the disk contains a "minimal" script file, and that I need a "full" install script. Arrrgh... Time to hit ftp.apple.com Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> - ClubWin/CW6 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Preserver of "classic" computers <<<< ========== reply separator ========== >>>>>

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Severely offtopic, but...

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I still don't get it. Anyway, while we're on topic, has everyone heard that the U.S.S. Yorktown's NT system crashed, causing it's engines to fail and forcing a towboat to pull it back to shore? The Navy is considering installing more NT systems; they won't install UNIX due to some protocol, not sure. Check www.osnews.com/news for the link to the story. >Do you know what Hello Kitty is? >If so, amuse yourself with the following... > >http://www.sanrio.co.jp/products/notepc/notepc.html >Ignore the Japanese, what you're intersted in is down a little ways. > >When they make one like Ami-chan's got, I'll be interested. >------- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Compaq

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

This is slightly different. It is difficult to see spinning blades, and people in third world countries who aren't used to helicopters are known to injure themselves, not noticing them. Especially if this was the same guy who drilled his brains out :) I assume you've all heard of the Darwin awards... >>Person tries to commit suicide using electric drill. Not fatal, >>significant brain damage. Heirs sue and the award is in the millions. >>Reason, does not say the drill should not be used for surgery. >This may be simply anecdotal, but keeping in mind the other two: > >Man (accidently) walks into spinning tail rotor of helicopter... his >family sues because it wasn't placarded that it might be dangerous to >walk into rotating blades... > >("Think of it as evolution in action.") :-) > > Megan Gentry > Former RT-11 Developer > >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ >| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com | >| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com | >| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' | >| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | >| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | >| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Compaq (off topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

That's dead, I'll replace it. Should I also change the black bar- shaped 7.5 v cell? It's dead too, and I don't know what it's for. >> The thing powers up off the keyboard, like a mac. I tried powering it >> off a PC SMPSU, otherwise loaded by the PC from which it came. The >> PSU was working fine, and I got correct voltages, even the right >> voltages on the external power connector on the laptop (I connected >> the wires to the battery terminals). And now matter how many times I >> pressed the on button, the #*%^)!$ thing wouldn't start. Ideas? > >I've seen this one several times. > >Check/change the 3V 'coin cell' - the disk-like lithium cell that's >hidden inside the machine. It's needed for the power-on switch to work. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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TI99: TIcK OS (a little to one side of topic)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< >Another is more complex but offers a few more possibilities. Use on the < >the interrupt levels and put ram at the rom addresses. The load vector < >can then be used to copy the ROMS from somewhere else to low memory. By < >doing this rom patching can be done or complete overlay of that 8k space < < Of course, but it also would require a *lot* of hacking to get done < and has some potential dangers. Mind you, P0 and P1 are free on the < 9901 and could be used as "page bits" for multiple segments of < ROM/RAM. Personally I like to keep things simple. Writing ROM < overlays is not fun and I'd rather avoid it. B'sides, if I can get < away with just using 2 *Very cheap* TTL components, so be it. I'll < still put POLLs in my software, but I'll include an IFD in my macro < and compile 2 versions, one with, one without. Not really. the trick used in 9900s is to use load to start a rom based program that copies itself to where ever needed and then turns itself off. The way I'd do it is to put a small rom at F000h and ram where the old roms were. The old rom can then be located at D000h with only a few bits (one) needed to turn off the old roms and the boot room. I do this all the time with Z80s to get the system totaly ram based but with the advantages of rom start up/restart. The trivial trick is to make it seem invisible. the big advantage is if you want to use the memory for something else you can but makesure to do a relod if you want things back to normal. I recently got an extra console that will be modified so that a pair of 32kx8s will map in to where rom, and 32kb expansion ram would be. IE: 0000->3fffh and A000->FFFFh. using 2 32kx8s keeps the chip count low even though 50% is wasted, besides they are cheap. The effect is the system could be much faster as it does not need the PEB access for base ram. I may want to yuse the full 64kb of the pars so I need to know how one of the larger cards like the corcomp 512k map. Do they do it as if it were multiples of 32k or are the two segments (2000->3FFFh and A000->FFFFh) mapped seperately or is it done in 8k segments? < Just a little FIFO would work well, but then, if the CPU bottlenecks < on data because it is physically too slow to even PROCESS the data, < such high data rates become useless and potentially dangerous. Not really it's a matter of buffering the data and post processing it when the tide slows or issueing an Xoff/suspend to stop the flow before the buffer overfills. This situation is nothing new, though in the world of CPU with clocks in the UHF region people may forget that. However the problems of data arriving faster than it can be processed is old hat. Besides with a ramdisk buffering a few kb of data is nothing. Allison

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How many computers?

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

Okay, for me it's easy: <http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/> 8^) Not listed is a "101 California" terminal, a Zenith keyboard terminal, Fujitsu Stylistic 500, Everex 386 Laptop, and the 128K mac, Altos 8000, HP 3000, HP 9000/310, and hp9000/345. Hmmm. And the odd 8-bit atari, and the MSX machine, and a few others that don't really fit into my collection. So, it's a little over 100, of which 80+ are portables. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Severely offtopic, but...

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Do you know what Hello Kitty is? If so, amuse yourself with the following... http://www.sanrio.co.jp/products/notepc/notepc.html Ignore the Japanese, what you're intersted in is down a little ways. When they make one like Ami-chan's got, I'll be interested. -------

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< knowing that the thing must be turned. What's a CLI? < >(There's a great scene in In & Out involving a rotary phone... makes < ya < >think about the future of CLI's...) Command line interface... what you say to dos if ther isn't winders in the way. Allison

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How many computers?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jul 18, 22:53, Tony Duell wrote: > Subject: Re: How many computers? > > My friend reports that the Graduate doesn't have a BBC ROM, and indeed > > doesn't use the Tube. It uses the 1MHz bus to access BBC I/O, apparently. > > You know, I thought I remembered it having a 34 pin ribbon cable. (1MHz > bus, not Tube).... Time to dig it out and experiment. > > How on earth does the Beeb know it's there, though, without a ROM. > Acorn's MOS (the Beeb ROM OS) doesn't look for peripherals on the 1MHz > bus, surely?. I can't believe it needed a BBC disk as well... Yes, I find that very odd too. The address lines, page selects, and R/W signals on the 1MHz bus are unidirectional (direction: out of Beeb) so about the only things the Graduate could control would be the NMI, IRQ, and analogue input lines. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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classic computer list??

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

> > On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Wayne Cox wrote: > > Hi, I was given this email address as being the "Classic Computer > > Collectors List." Not sure if it is a "subscribe to" mailing list or an > > individual. > > This is THE place 8-) Hope you got subscribed ok - if not - try again. > And stand back for about 50+ messages a day ranging from Z1 to the - well > latest thing (frowned on but never ignored 8-) > > > I have some antiquated DEC equipment I'd like to see find a > > good home and was refered here. > > Interesting thought - I mean IS there such a thing as an - > 'antiquated DEC equipment' > I thought not 8-) Your ISP is out of Ohio... Is that where the equipment > is? A list of what is available and where would help out a lot. > > > -Wayne Cox > > wcox(a)infinet.com, wcox(a)usaeroteam.com > > Once again - Welcome! > > BC > ========================================================================= > Name: Classic Computer Rescue List > URL: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1055/classic.html > (Collectors by areas) > Name: The Classic Computer Encyclopedia Page > URL: http://www.xnet.com/~danjo/classic/ > (Darn near dead - no input for about 6 months...) > Name: Classic Computer ListOp > URL: http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp/ > (Hmmmm... Bill - ya want to move this to a working system?) > And don't forget Bill Yakowenko's classiccmp distributed Web-page archives at http://www .cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp and Doug Yowza's classiccmp FAQ backup at http://www.yowza.com/classiccmp Does anyone know if haliotis is still archiving ? My machine always hangs when I try and access it. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com lwalker(a)interlog.com

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Compaq (off topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

The thing powers up off the keyboard, like a mac. I tried powering it off a PC SMPSU, otherwise loaded by the PC from which it came. The PSU was working fine, and I got correct voltages, even the right voltages on the external power connector on the laptop (I connected the wires to the battery terminals). And now matter how many times I pressed the on button, the #*%^)!$ thing wouldn't start. Ideas? >Surely you mean 170mA here. It's normal to charge at the C/10 rate, at >least when trickle charging. And I'd give it about 14 hours to make up >for losses in the battery (you never get the energy out that you put in). > >> If the 'float voltage of the battery goes over the 12v figure, that will >> cut down the charging current. The _best_ thing would be a milliammeter >> on the PS output, and a variac controlling input of the _big_ PS. > >Wait a second. I thought he was using a PC power supply. Those have >internal regulation. Hanging one off a Variac won't do a darn thing apart >from test the line regulation of the PSU. > >> >> Now, as to whether or not you can get away with the 'big PS' on the >> laptop instead of the battery? If at all possible, don't try. The >> battery is providing an imense ammount of conditioning to the incoming >> power flow. (There are amazing ammounts of garbage floating on top of >> the normal PS output. [everything from 'lightning induced spikes, on > >Every regulated power supply that I have ever seen has a fair amount of >internal filtering. Now while it's not a good idea to only load one of >the subsiduary outputs of an SMPS (and remember that in a PC PSU, the 5V >output is the main one, from which the regualtor sense lines are taken), >I think that noise on the output would be the least of your worries. > >> down to spikes from the local refrigerator turning on].) If you _must_ >> try, it won't hurt to throw a few thousand mfd of capacitor across >> things. Voltage wise, you are probably O.K. > >There's probably 2200-4700uF inside the PSU across the 12V rail. > >> >> Chuck > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by ThisTime＠aol.com

Puh-leeze! With humour that consistently bad, let me make a suggestion. 86 the pathetic attempts at humour. Keep on topic without trying to be cute all the time. Ghia In a message dated 98-07-20 21:14:48 EDT, you write: << One thing that can be said for those ancient Western Electric clunkers is that they can't be killed, they can only be landfilled at a crossroad with a stake through the bell. Rumour has it that that after World War III the cockroaches will be able to use them to call Elvis. -- Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/> They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_ >>

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Old Phones (was: Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

While we're on the subject of old phones and phone systems, if you're ever in Edmonton, (Alberta, Canada) there is a pretty cool telephone museum there. Edmonton had something like the first phone system in Alberta or maybe even Canada. Anyway, I thought it was pretty cool. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:31 PM 7/16/98 -0700, you wrote: >> Believe it or not there are still many people out there with old >(ancient) rotary dial telephones. > >Hey, I still have one, in my computer room (ex-spare bedroom) at home. Got one next to my bed for my main #. Also got a wall mount around somewhere, just waiting for a good place to mount it. (There's a great scene in In & Out involving a rotary phone... makes ya think about the future of CLI's...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Off-topic informational anti-spam anecdotal

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:12 AM 7/15/98 PDT, you wrote: >A short refresher on human psychology. Most of the time, a clearly >thinking person does not do anything they consider wrong. Your spammer >thinks he is doing someone a favor, and your songs are disrespectful Nah, Spammers just want to get rich, without consideration of the cost to others. No different than if I went to Safeway, shoved a bunch of sodas down my pants, and left to set up a store of my own. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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(Fwd) Re: Tandy TRS80-Model II

by gram＠cnct.com

Lawrence Walker wrote: > To clearify, a Model II requires an additional CPU card. This is a MC68000 CPU > with a daughter card or two that may contain from 128K to 1 Meg of RAM. It > depends. There were several memory card configurations. I have some from > the 128K to the 1 Meg varity. The really rare ones are the 4 Meg memory cards. There was never a Tandy 4 Meg card. Bob Snapp had boards to take a 16 or 6000 up to 8 Meg, but the memory management permitted only a max of 1 Meg "user" RAM -- the rest could be used as RAM disk, permitting a /dev/swap far larger and faster than Tandy hardware. It was damned impressive to see his stuff at the Tangent conference in Fort Worth in 1986, 15 terminals (plus console) filePro databases faster than a stock system could with three users. > In addtion, You should have a HD controller. This card will have the WD1010 > or WD1020 chipset. It will allow you to attach up to 2 MFM drives. The > standard MFM cabling has one "Control" cable that is dasiy-chained to all > drives. Then the smaller "Data" cable is connected directly from the HD to > the drive controler card. I have not see a controler card that was able > to use more than two HDs at a time. All the Tandy manufactured card would > use the WD1010 chipset which allows up to 70Mb HDs. Some after-market > people upgraded to the WD1020 chipset which increased the HD capacity to > the 130 ro 150Mb range. I dont remember the exact upper limit although > they did not make MFM drives much larger that 150 Mb as I recall. All the > HDs should be free standing. Only a possiable drive select jummper should > differ the HDs in the external cases. Actually, except for the 6000HD which would only accept one external drive after the internal, all hard disk subsystems for the Model II/12/16/6000 line would permit four external drives, either all 8.4 Meg (the 8" Shugart "original" system) or any combination of 5, 12, 15, 35 or 70 MB (the later 5.25" system). At least that was the case with official Tandy hard drives.Those latter would also attach in quantities up to four to any of the Model One/3/4 product line or the Color Computer. That's what always surprised me when PCs and compatibles were limited to two drives, at least until SCSI and EIDE. -- Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/> They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_

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classic computer list??

by wcox＠infinet.com

Hi, I was given this email address as being the "Classic Computer Collectors List." Not sure if it is a "subscribe to" mailing list or an individual. I have some antiquated DEC equipment I'd like to see find a good home and was refered here. -Wayne Cox wcox(a)infinet.com, wcox(a)usaeroteam.com

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Compaq (off topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Sorry to continue, but I don't currently have newsgroup access and I have serached on the newsgroups for my problem via Dejanews. I decided to attempt to recharge my battery using a PC power supply. Will this work? The battery is labelled to be 12V, 1.7 Ahr. It's a NiCd. The power supply is 12V 6Ah. I'm doing it now, but I'm wondering how long I should leave it, or should I not have done it at all. Also, can I power the laptop with 6ah directly from the PSU though the battery is rated at 1.7 without frying it? No more questions about this from me. Thanks. P.S. does anyone know why this laptop has three batteries? THe main one that I was talking about above, a little black 2.7v NiCd like on a PC, and a round flat one like in a watch, only bigger. What's this last one for? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Need info on classic iron.

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

At 03:04 PM 7/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >2. Fortune 32:16, formerly running ForPro. Unfortunately, the boot drive crashed. He has tapes, >floppies, but no HD (I think) - is this worthy to be kept? The fortune 32:16 was one cool machine; it was way ahead for its time, so naturally, scarcely anyone bought them :-(

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Compaq (off topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Ok, one more question. This may seem dumb to you electronics experts, but when charging, should I attach the positive terminal of the AC adapter to the positive or to the negative terminal of the battery? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Transputer documentation required

by yakowenk＠cs.unc.edu

Okay, I just dug through my bookshelf, and found a 1986 inmos databook. Chapter 5 is "Transputer Products", and includes the following: Selection Guide (1 page) IMS T414 Transputer (16 pages) IMS T212 Transputer (12 pages) IMS C001 Link Adaptor (4 pages) IMS C002 Link Adaptor (4 pages) IMS B001 Evaluation Board (4 pages) IMS B002 Evaluation Board (4 pages) IMS B004 Evaluation Board (4 pages) IMS D100 Development Station (4 pages) IMS D600 Development System VAX/VMS (4 pages) IMS D700 Development System IBM PC (4 pages) OCCAM (2 pages) Let me know if you need info from this, and if it is urgent. Cheers, Bill.

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Thanks to the list...

by Anthony.Dellett＠Staples.com

> Dellett, Anthony wrote: > > > Well... I finally found one, I ordered a used Imsai 8080 from an > > undisclosed place in CA (they had one on consignment) and they're > > shipping it to me here in Boston. > > Not even gonna guess what shipping is cross country for that > heavy of a > machine. Does it work did they say? > Shipping was only $71, the guy is even foam packing it. I guess I can confess and say it's coming from Weird Stuff Warehouse in Sunnyvale. This is an as-is sale but I'm sure if it doesn't work, I can fix it :) Tony

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Need info on classic iron.

by buck_c＠polygon.com

A friend of mine has two systems that he needs to find info on. 1. Symbolics 3650 - this system boots into a wierd LISP command prompt, but complains durring boot about not being able to find the rest of the "world." Any info to help admin the thing would be groovy. 2. Fortune 32:16, formerly running ForPro. Unfortunately, the boot drive crashed. He has tapes, floppies, but no HD (I think) - is this worthy to be kept? Any help will be appreciated. I might end up adding these systems to my collection, right next to my 7 VAX systems. -- J. Buck Caldwell Engineer - Technical Support - Webmaster Polygon, Inc. email:buck_c@polygon.com phone: (314) 432-4142 PO Box 8470 http://www.polygon.com/ fax: (314) 997-9696 St. Louis, MO 63132 ftp://ftp.polygon.com/ bbs: (314) 997-9682

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Compaq

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

These hinges are metal, and there's no pointing device of any sort. Do you know the pinout of the power connector or not? > >I have seen more broken hinges on Compaqs than any other machine. In >fact, I challenge anybody to find a used Compaq Concerto that doesn't have >broken hinges. There's a thriving third-party industry in Compaq Portable >repair. As a result of this, it's fairly easy to find replacement parts >for them (but often at high prices). > >As far as ergonomics go, I give you 10 minutes of trying to use that >screen-mounted track ball before you throw the machine across the room. > >> have to agree with. Unfortunatley, the docking station was being sold >> for more than the portable. But, hey! You use one too! Hipocrite ;) > >I use Compaqs to practice my repair technique. I got a couple of them >recently in which the hinges had become degreased and stiff, so the owners >broke the displays off trying to use their laptops. I haven't found a >good replacement for the hinges yet, but re-greasing and reinforcing the >hinges with metal plates gives me working 486 laptops at around $10 each. >I put them to work as dedicated controllers and linux servers since their >power consumption is lower than an old desktop. > >-- Doug > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Compaq (off topic)

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

At 11:08 AM 7/20/98 PDT, you wrote: > >Sorry to continue, but I don't currently have newsgroup access and >I have serached on the newsgroups for my problem via Dejanews. >I decided to attempt to recharge my battery using a PC power supply. >Will this work? The battery is labelled to be 12V, 1.7 Ahr. It's a >NiCd. The power supply is 12V 6Ah. The power supply is probably rated at 6A, not 6Ah. 6 amps charging would be too much for an 1.7Amp hour battery and would greatly shorten its life. 200 or 300 mA would be much better. However, charging a 12 Volt battery off a 12 Volt regulated power supply most likely will not completely charge it, as the float charging voltage is closer to 13.5 volts. You need something designed as a charger to get the full capacity from the battery. -Dave

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Compaq

by icyblackhand＠hotmail.com

Just want to brag, like the rest of you about this weeks' find. A Compaq SLT 286!! Anyone know anything about it, how much it's worth?? Mike Sheflin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Compaq

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Remember that Compaq is the first PC clone maker and the first portable PC maker ever. I think that's not bad. >Bragging about Compaqs -- that's an interesting concept. Kind of like >being proud of pimples. > I doubt any of that is true. I mean, sure, they're not GRiDs, and I don't think this one is unergonomic. The power connector bit, I'll have to agree with. Unfortunatley, the docking station was being sold for more than the portable. But, hey! You use one too! Hipocrite ;) >Compaq is the leader in three areas of portable design: the world's most >fragile portables, the world's least ergonomic portables, and the world's >weirdest and largest variety of proprietary power connectors. > >The power adapter is pretty hard to find, compared to finding a >thrown-away LTE Lite. I've never seen the connector available as a >standard part. You can also power the thing from the proprietary bus >connector, so you might have an easier time finding a cheap docking >station to power/charge than finding/making an A/C adatper. > >Another alternative is a cool briefcase made for insurance adjusters that >was custom designed for the LTE Lite, and has an A/C plug in the >briefcase. You can get them for around $30 from Halted: > http://www.halted.com/ > >BTW, I need the flex cable that connects to the display of an LTE Lite. >I'll trade a battery for one. > >-- Doug > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Compaq

by jeff.kaneko＠ifrsys.com

At 04:06 PM 7/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Max Eskin wrote: > >> I also want to brag that I got a Compaq Lite-25 486. > >Bragging about Compaqs -- that's an interesting concept. Kind of like >being proud of pimples. > >> question: does anyone know what their power connector pinout is? It's >> a weird little three-pin thing like the compaq monitor power >> interface. Does anyone have plugs or know where to get them? > >Compaq is the leader in three areas of portable design: the world's most >fragile portables, the world's least ergonomic portables, and the world's >weirdest and largest variety of proprietary power connectors. > You forgot one category: Most difficult to open. The last LTE I tried to open required the skill of a surgeon to dissassemble. Jeff

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How many computers?

by franke＠sbs.de

>>OK, possibly the last entry in this thread. (Hey, I've been too busy to >>keep up with this list!) > Nope, I'm even slower at getting around to doing things... :) Not slower, courious before sending myself, but now: Meeeeeeeeeeeee toooooooooooooooooo: Computer: KIM PC 100 (OEM AIM 65 from SIEMENS) PET (small and big Keyboard) CBM 2001 CBM 3016 (and several 40xx and 80xx) CBM SK 8296 CBM SK 8296D CBM 610 CBM 720 Commodore B500 (and some printers and floppies) VC-20 C64 (more than 10 - never counted) C64-II (C64C) C64G (and some 1541, 1570,1571 floppies) C128 C16 C116 Plus 4 Amiga 500 Amiga 1000 Amiga 2000 ITT MP-Experimerter SC/MP II EUROCOM I APPLE ][euro+ APPLE //c APPLE /// Lisa 2 Macintosh 128K Macintosh IIsi Macintosh LC II Macintosh Performa 630 DOS Basis 108 Ohio Superboard II TRS 80 Mod I Lv2 & Expansion TRS 80 Mod III & Hard Disk TRS 80 Model 4 Video-Genie EG2002 Colour Genie Olivetti M10 IBM-PC IBM-PC/XT Clone (And about 5 or 6 modern clones) SIRIUS 1 OSBORNE 1DQD Philips P2000C Pascal Microengine ATARI 400 (German and US) ATARI 800 (German and US) ATARI 600XL ATARI 800XL ATARI ST 520+ ATARI 1040 ST E ORIC 1 ORIC ATMOS Sinclair ZX80 Sinclair ZX81 Sinclair ZX Spectrum+ Sinclair Z88 Sinclair QL Your Computer (8300) Laser 50 Laser 2000 Dragon 32 Dragon 64 BBC Computer Yashica YC-64 (MSX I) Sony HiBit (MSX I) Philips VG8010/00 (MSX) S100-Bus Systems (several CPUs and so on) Eltec 80 SANYO MB 1000 Sharp MZ80A Sharp MZ80B Sharp MZ80K Sharp MZ811 Sharp MZ821 SWTP 6800 Motorola MEK6802D5 EXORterm (...), sowie ca. 15 weitere 6800, 6802 & 6809 Boards, ENTERPRISE 128 TA Alphatronic TA Alphatronic PC TA Walkstation 286 Superbrain HP 9121 Tatung TCS-4000 SIEMENS Mikroset 8080 SIEMENS 5521 SIEMENS PC 16-10 SIEMENS PC-D SIEMENS PC-MX (9780) SIEMENS PC-MX2 SIEMENS WS30-435(Apollo) SIEMENS PCD-3T SIEMENS PCD-4T SIEMENS PCD-4G 486er Clone Pentium. Terminals: TI Silent 700 TI Silent 709 Whisper Reader Mod 1951 SIEMENS 97801 (gruen && weis) EECO D400 Heazeltine 1000 (and several other) Taschenrechner: Newton OMP (OS 1.3 upgraded) Newton 120 (OS 1.3) Newton MP2000 Ti 74S SHARP PC 1211 SHARP PC 1241 SHARP PC 1250 SHARP PC 1251 SHARP PC 1261 SHARP PC 1430 SHARP PC 1500A sowie 14 nicht-Basic Taschenrechner. Videogames: ATARI XE ATARI Jaguar ATARI Lynx ATARI VCS ATARI VCS 2600 Philips G7000 MEMO TEST (and several early '80s junk :) Maybe sone are missing ... I never did a listing :( Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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QIC-36/QIC-02

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)servtech.com> wrote: > Aha! Now I can connect QIC36/QIC02.... My HP 250 uses DC600 type tape carts. Don't be too sure of that. If it's a 9144 drive or one integrated in a 79xx disc drive, it uses tapes that are mechanically the same but with a completely different format called HCD that predates the QIC formats and cannot be completely recorded in the field. THe format involves full-width block markers that can't be recorded by the heads in the drives. Bob Niland used to post something about this over in comp.sys.hp.* when someone popped the question. Go do a search in DejaNews for author rjn(a)csn.net in comp.sys.hp.hardware looking for the keywords QIC and HCD and you will probably turn it up. -Frank McConnell

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Compaq

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> Just want to brag, like the rest of you about this weeks' find. A >> Compaq SLT 286!! Anyone know anything about it, how much it's worth?? hmm, was there sarcasm buried in there or not? :) I've got one of those things somewhere... weighs about five tons and the battery lasts for about five minutes. Still, they were pretty well built machines, had mono VGA screens, the one I've got has a 42MB hard drive in it (which I suppose was pretty damn good for a laptop of that time). not really worth anything now (seem to remember they were over 4000 UK pounds when new - isn't depreciation great? ;) but you may find a use for it... (I suppose it has some nostalgia value for me - it was my first exposure to the world of PCs... I remember the hard drive on mine had been partitioned into two, and I spent months marvelling at a whole 12MB of space before I found the other 30MB ;*) cheers Jules >

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subscription info, dec equipment

by wcox＠infinet.com

Wow... those were some really quick responses, thanks! The gear I'm looking to unload is a PDP 11/35 and a VAX 750, both in the Dayton, Ohio area. Fairly big stuff to move if you're familiar with. I hate to barge in on a mailing list and ask newbie questions; But if anyone could point me to, or provide info on subscribing, FAQs, etc I'd appreciate it ! Me?? - - A 30ish hack, teeth cut on PDPs and Apples in the late 70's. Why is my 45000000MHz windoze machine so @!#$ slow ?!?!? -Wayne

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SoCal TRW Swapmeet

by jpl15＠netcom.com

A heads-up for any Southern CA GearHeads.. the TRW Swapmeet is this Saturday, the 25th, at the TRW El Segundo facility, from 7:30 am til 11:30 am. (Every month, always the *last* saturday) I have made many happy recoveries there over the years, including the $50 IMSAI 8080 / 4 8" drives/ tons o' software that I scored a few months back... and Marvin's Rockwell AIM with FORTH in PROM... as well as loads of electronic and radio-related Stuff. Anyone wishing more info, e-mail me direct... also it might be an Amusing Idea to have a bit of a get-together afterward... maybe? Just a (not original) thought... I have two permanent Selling Spaces... Items are cheerfully accepted for sale by you (unless they're bigger than my truck...) as long as I get Rights of First Refusal on yer jun^H^H^H merchandise. Cheers John

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How many computers?

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

This thread is becoming awesome!! OK I've been holding off. Since I'm the great procrastinator, I've been avoiding catalogueing what I've got. Synapsis is I've got 40 to 50 computers, heavy into Atari and PS2 Many monitors that I'm weeding out to keep the unique ones like the Radius Portrait for Apples or historic like the IBM 5151and 5153. Vic-20, C-64 ,C-64c, C128 Mac Plus, Apple II, IIPlus , IIe CoCo 1 and CoCo 2 TI 4/99 TRS80 model II with 3 physically huge 8 meg HDDs Phillips Micom 2000 dedicated WP with an 8" Shugart and a Qume daisy wheel printer that has a power supply big enough to power a small villiage. Epson QX-10 which I'm only missing a monitor to activate. Phillips XT Luggable with pop-up floppies. The nicest design I've seen yet for a luggable. Kaypro 2X that I haven't got running yet, but soon. DEC Rainbow, one of my first garbage finds that after 4 years I finally have the all hardware for. Last week a local store anti'd up a BC002 cable. Wang PC002 no means of I/O , but I'm sure it will turn up. NEC Prospeed 286 laptop Numerous other MSDOS boxes I think what especially interests me are the external hacks. Like the Intel Inboard 386 board.in a 5150, or the hardcard drives. I have a good proportion of the Atari and C64 add-ons. I have an X1541 cable for a C64. The adapter on my CoCo 2 that I still haven't explored its use. A Videomate to use my old boxes as TV's long before the new TV cards for Windoze. Of course you could do the same with a VCR and a composite video. Quickshot remote control Joysticks Some graphics tablets. These were all attempts to respond to a burgeoning home-computer market that were developed in response to consaumer wants. Many of these small but highly innovative companies quickly disappeared. The boards switches were not easily evident unless you had the documentataion So if the board cloned the IBM docunentation you're home-free but if it was a board that had anomilies, you're on your own. That to me is one of the values of this m-l . Having access to true hardware hackers like Tony Duell and Allison and others. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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Sirius sound chips

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi Tony and all, At 01:07 PM 7/19/98 +0100, you wrote: >Greetings... > >I'm got a partially faultly Sirius (aka Victor 9000?) on the bench at the >moment, and it appears to have (at least) a sound fault. > >Alas there are 2 chips in the sound circuitry that I can't find any data >on : > >Harris CI55516-9 (16 pin DIL, maybe a codec or similar) >Spague (?) ULN3701Z (5 pin TO220, audio amplifier). > Pin 1. audio input.(+) Pin 2. Feedback.(-) Pin 3. ground Pin 4. out Pin 5. Vcc Uses the same circuit as National LM 383. -Dave

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Looking for 2 magazine articles

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi Richard and all At 08:41 AM 7/19/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, all: > > While going through the old Popular Electronics magazines that I >recently got, I found two article series that I would like to have complete, >but I'm missing two issues...bummer. > > Does anyone have the following and would be willing to mail me a copy: > > 1. Popular Electronics, March 1977, Part 3 of the "Build the >Cosmac Elf" construction article. > I have this one, it is 5 pages. The memory used is 8 2102 ram's. Don't have the first 2, August, 1976 or September 1976, however. -Dave

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Compaq

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I also want to brag that I got a Compaq Lite-25 486. This is not a classic, and I am about to go to Compaq's site to research it. A question: does anyone know what their power connector pinout is? It's a weird little three-pin thing like the compaq monitor power interface. Does anyone have plugs or know where to get them? >That's not terribly amazing. > >Its basically a Compaq 286 portable. Probably from around the 1986 or >1987 timeframe. > >What did you pay for it? That's what its worth (to you). > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 07/05/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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mitsubishi <?> laptop

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i did some bartering a while back and got a mitsubishi 286 laptop circa 1987 i think. it boots up to some post errors which i can get past by hitting F1. it's a phoenix bios, and i've tried every key combination thats's known to access the cmos setup, all to no avail. it appears to have a hard drive, but am unable to access it. i've web searched everywhere, but cannot find any support contact for this machine. i ended up round filing a mitsubishi 386dx machine last year because i couldnt find any info on it. i didnt even get any replies in comp.sys.laptops about this laptop. help anyone? david

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Transputer documentation required

by PeksaDO＠cardiff.ac.uk

I've a number of Transputer boards dating from the late eighties which fit into PCs. Whilst I can use any one single board, I've been unable to install more than one board as I've no information on the jumper and dip switch settings. Of course, some boards may not be capable of being anything other than the root transputer. Anyone have, or know where I can find such information on the following boards: Transtech TMB04 Sundance ST101 Gemini GM8101 Microway Monoputer2 Thanks, Doug.

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OS-2 FS

by mallison＠konnections.com

I can't find who was originally asking to locate some copies of OS/2. I just pulled down a copy of Warp (requires Windows already installed). The software comprises 2 floppies to install and 1 CD with the OS/2 v3 system and a "bonus" CD with IBM Works, Online access and 'more'. The CDs are still shrink wrapped. I can't verify that it's original but I know that where I picked them up would have no reason to re-wrap them. I have no burning desire to let these go but if the people who originally asked, or anyone else, REALLY needs it, I'll send them for 6.00 (six bucks) plus shipping. Unfortunately for everyone, I ran OS/2 v3 for a while when it came out. It turned a marginal machine into a hummer on the internet. It was probably an excellent OS, just not too popular. Please contact me direct at: mallison(a)konnections.com Thanks, Mike

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RT-11 Thanks

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Muchas Gracias to Allison and Megan and Tony (O My!) for your help with RT-11... the machine is running as I type this, and displaying a directory... all entries no later than 1979... just about the time I was spending long nights trying to figure out the Cromemco Z2H that I had pieced together... all I had was the monitor and 16K of RAM.. so I never shut it off for weeks... and a GE Terminet for a console, so at the end of a session the room was swimming in roll paper covered with hex.... Now to get the 2nd RK05 running.... THEN to figure out how to make the RL02s peacefully co-exist in the system... THEN to install one of my old classic modems, and write to my list friends from the DEC system.... THEN.... But first things first. Thanks again!! Cheers John

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Pertec tape interface for PC

by djenner＠halcyon.com

I picked up a nice, small, 9-track tape drive made by Qualstar for use with IBM PCs. The fellow I got it from said he had the ISA adapter and software and manuals "somewhere in a box". Of course, he can't find them, and it's the adapter and software that I'm really after, since Pertec-interface 9-track drives are fairly common. (I'd like to think this isn't the old "promise the important stuff to have someone haul away the big stuff" ploy, but it's happened to me several times now!) Pehaps someone out there has one, or knows the whereabouts of an ISA Pertec adapter, probably made by Qualstar, Chi Corporation, or Overland Data. Software and docs to go with it are almost mandatory, and anything that runs under DOS/Windows or any flavor of PC Unix is OK. Thanks, Dave

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