At 01:04 AM 7/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Joe wrote:
>
>> I tried holding down the R key and a bunch of others with no effect. The
>> error message that I'm getting says "No System file". I'm afraid the hard
>> drive has been erased. I don't have an external drive, is there anyway to
>> restore the system files without the external drive?
>
>Hmm, 'R' right after power-up should let you boot from whatever's in ROM.
>If that doesn't work, you might try either taking the hard disk out and
>accessing it from another box, or put a SCSI or floppy controller in your
>expansion box and try booting from another device ('F' would force a
>floppy boot, but I don't know if that works from the expansion tray).
>
OK I'll try that. Probably be a while before I have a chance though.
>> I didn't notice a ring. They were cigarette size boxs and marked "Grid
>> 120" and had a connector at one end.
>
>Those sound like the removable hard drives from my GRiD 1810, one of the
>made-in-Japan plastic GRiDs.
OK, Do you need some more?
Joe
>
>-- Doug
>
>
A buddy of mine just got a Mac SE Superdrive computer that he says has
a hardware pasword. Any ideas on how to disable it - jumpers, key
combos, pull the battery, software, what?
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In a message dated 98-07-29 12:49:59 EDT, you write:
<< I'm trying to setup the HPscanjet on my ps/2 and of course the startup
is complaining about the new interface. I have the refdisk for the ps/2
but not the required setup disk for the scanject interface. Any
suggestions?
Until I crack this the system will not boot with the card in place
unless, is there is a bypass procedure? >>
what you are missing is the .adf file for the option you installed. you need
to copy the .adf file to the reference disk and then run auto config. you
might want to post on comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware and see if anyone knows what
the filename is for the option you installed.
david
At 02:34 PM 7/28/98 -0600, you wrote:
>MacOS 7.0, and I THINK owning a mac gives you a license to an operating
system
>- although I'd have to check.
MacOS through 7.0 is freely available from apple, and can be copied
legally. 7.1 and above are still commercial products (not available for
free or legally copiable.)
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For Commodore 64 repairs, see Ray Carlsen's repair page at:
http://www.prismnet.com/~bo/commie/repair.html
Your specific problem may not be addressed here, but at the top of the
page, there are e-mail links to Ray. He is very knowledgable and helpful
on Commodore repairs. I consulted him via e-mail once for a broken SX-64
I picked up. He helped me get it working again. You can also get
schematics of the C64 at:
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/cbm/schematics/computers/c64/
Jeff Salzman
> Problem: I just noticed the C64 seems to have these dead keys '5, 7, 9,
>and 0'. Looks to me like a dead bit on the keyboard controller, but I must
>confess to ignorance on the internal details of how the C64 accepts key
>presses. Can anyone give an overview, and would anyone know of a fix?
>
I'll forward this to my girlfriend and let her answer it, she's the one
trying to get the thing to go :)
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Shoppa [mailto:shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 8:31 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: PDP Boot Loader
>
>
> > It dont work.
>
> You know, if you gave us more detailed information about how
> exactly it doesn't work (does it hang? Does it trap out?
> Do you get an error message?) we might be able to help you.
>
> > It might be something else but I wanted to check the boot
> > loader first.
>
> More details about the rest of your system might very well be
> in order!
>
> Tim.
>
Anyone heard of, or know any information about a Cromemco Model HD-11
7710 Hard Disk Memory System. I believe the hard disk was made by Disk
Sys Internation Inc. Someone recentley offered me one.
Any insight appreciated.
- Nick
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Happened to see on Ebay someone selling twenty 8" diskettes
of software for the Imsai 8080. Last I looked the bid was
only $10. Thought someone would want to know. If so here
is the link to it...
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=23296702
By the way. I see where Ebay is going public with an IPO.
Does anyone know how to buy this at the IPO price? The
underwriters are Goldman Sachs and Donaldson, Lufkin and
Jenrette. I have tried to find a broker who can deal with them
but have not any luck
BW
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> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:48:30 -0400
> From: allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent)
> To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Subject: RE: ps/2 m50z setup
> Message-ID: <199807291648.AA02050(a)world.std.com>
>
> Please reply offlist as this is not a true classic. Well maybe as the
> scanjet is!
>
> I'm trying to setup the HPscanjet on my ps/2 and of course the startup
> is complaining about the new interface. I have the refdisk for the ps/2
> but not the required setup disk for the scanject interface. Any
> suggestions?
>
> Until I crack this the system will not boot with the card in place
> unless, is there is a bypass procedure?
>
> Allison
Allison,
It sounds like you need the .adf file for that particular piece of
hardware. Once the adapter definition is installed on your system
(think of it as a bios extension). Things should boot okay then.
Try NCRs site:
http://www3.ncr.com/support/pc/pcdesc/library/adfs.shtml
They have .adf files for all kinds of stuff.
Another decent PS/2 site with all sorts of general info is:
http://www.computercraft.com
--
Dan Rector
email: rector at usa.net
At 08:20 PM 7/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Joe wrote:
>
>> supply yesterday and fired it up today. It has a plasma display but I need
>> to find out how to get into the setup.
>
>There is no BIOS-level setup in ROM. You probably have DOS in ROM. Try
>holding down the 'R' key during the boot. If you get into DOS, look for a
>program named CONFIG or something similar. Things like drive geometry are
>hard-coded in the BIOS.
I tried holding down the R key and a bunch of others with no effect. The
error message that I'm getting says "No System file". I'm afraid the hard
drive has been erased. I don't have an external drive, is there anyway to
restore the system files without the external drive?
>
>> I also found a some GRID 120 plug in hard drives. I don't think they fit
>> the 1535 though or if they do I don't know how to install them.
>
>The number doesn't ring a bell. They're defintely not for the 1535,
>though. If they have a sort-of key ring thing on the end, they may be for
>the 1537 (TEMPEST model).
I didn't notice a ring. They were cigarette size boxs and marked "Grid
120" and had a connector at one end.
Joe
>
>-- Doug
>
>
This is the second time I am emailing support(a)compaq.com. Both times,
they have given me an automated reply that I should use
forum.compaq.com for the information they have posted, which might
be what I'm looking for. They warn me of the fact that their state-
of-the-art Internet technology (javascript and cookies) won't allow
me to use the site without IE3 or Netscape 2. So much for Lynx.
And all I wanted was a price quote for a new keyboard for the LTE I
got a few weeks ago!
I noticed some people on this list have experience with these things,
so
a)does anyone have any extra LTE Lite/25 keyboards?
b)Is the PS/2 port on the back for a keyboard? If so, can I use an
external kb without an internal one? I haven't had much luck so far.
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< How do you plan to digitize the recordings in the first place? I'd lik
< to do that too, but soundcards are pretty lousy recording devices. I fi
< it's a fundamental problem to have audio equipment sitting on a compute
< bus. I'd really like to see an affordable external D/A/D box.
the problem with most A/D and reverse is the resolution, the more bits
the slower they are. Also the source data wou;d be uncompressed and
hugely bulky. The better sound cards for PCs have the bits and the
speed. However you still need over 600mb of disk for some software
to "build" the CDR image.
Allison
Would some kind soul please send me an email with instructions on how
to sign up for this mail list? Thanks.
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Thanks for your time,
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My teasers cost me more money in the long run. I keep looking for
something in great condition and end up spending a little extra for the
first one I find in any condition for fear of not finding another one
again. Then for the next few months, all the low cost, great condition
units start becoming available.
Jeff Salzman
jeff(a)zymurgy.net
>>This is a tried and true technique (for me, anyway) for getting stuff you
>>want. Those teaser bits are what I call *bait*. I like to think that buying
>>part of something acts as bait for the rest of it. Frinstance, before I had
>>a Kaypro, I found a padded blue nylon cover for one at a garage sale for
>>two bucks. Of course, I bought it. Sure enough, a few weeks later a Kaypro
>>turned up at another garage sale. Maybe this is too metaphysical for common
>>sense, but it works for me. On the practical side, buying part of something
>>means that you can take advantage of a cheap price when you find the rest
>>of it that's missing the bit you have.
>>
>>Of course, it requires a lot of storage space for all the useless junk you
>>think might come in handy someday...
>
>Same thing held very true for me: find a piece of something and the rest
>will turn up later. I've got a _lot_ of pieces of electronic gear but not
>that many complete systems/units. Oh well.
>
At 09:33 PM 7/23/98, you wrote:
>I found a strange looking computer today. It's a Grid 1535 EXP computer and
>it has a extra pod that clamped on the computer. The pod contains a HP-IB
>port. There an empty slot to the left of the HP-IB port, what's it for?
Got one recently too. The 1535 is (iirc) a 386, the pod on the bottom is
an expansion box. Has two slots (though I've not yet opened it to verify
that they're ISA slots.) Pretty interesting doohicky.
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It dont work. It might be something else but I wanted to check the boot
loader first.
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Shoppa [mailto:shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 11:19 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: PDP Boot Loader
>
>
> > My girlfriend and I have a PDP with a Charles River Data
> Systems RL02
> > clone. Anyone know a boot loader for this puppy?
> >
> > (Funny thing is, Charles River Data Systems is less than
> two blocks from
> > my office, noone there knows anything about the drives :)
>
> Seeing how CRDS only made RL02 emulation systems for PDP-11 platforms,
> what happens when you try the bootstrap at:
>
> http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/p
> dp-11/bootstraps/
>
> ?
>
> Tim.
>
At 11:53 AM 7/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>ok, yet another Q for those of you out there who have run across these.
>anyone have a suggestion for where i might come across a ~20mb RLL
>drive? 3.5" size, don't have the model #'s on me at the moment although
What you're looking for is:
3.5" 20MB Hard Disk Drive (T3100/20)
JVC : JD3824ROTO
Number of heads: 4
Number of cylinders: 612
Average access time: 78ms
Recording method: 2-7 RLL
TEST/TEST3 setup type: 2
Dunno where to find one, though, other than another T3100/20. (And no, you
can't have mine!)
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Subject: RE: Teasers
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 7/29/98 1:36 PM
On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Salzman, Jeff wrote:
> My teasers cost me more money in the long run. I keep looking for
> something in great condition and end up spending a little extra for the
> first one I find in any condition for fear of not finding another one
> again. Then for the next few months, all the low cost, great condition
> units start becoming available.
This should be in the FAQ because, however superstitious it is, this is an
adage that seems to be the case for many of us. Its sort of like a
Murphy's Law.
Sam Alternate e-mail:
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Is there an easy way to get rid of the black corrosion on the IC's of my
IMSAI front panel? I've been considering rebuilding it but if there is
an easy way to clean it then so be it.
Tony
Please reply offlist as this is not a true classic. Well maybe as the
scanjet is!
I'm trying to setup the HPscanjet on my ps/2 and of course the startup
is complaining about the new interface. I have the refdisk for the ps/2
but not the required setup disk for the scanject interface. Any
suggestions?
Until I crack this the system will not boot with the card in place
unless, is there is a bypass procedure?
Allison
I have recently come across a couple of video's at a thrift shop that were
fun to watch. One was called "In business with Macintosh" which was
probably from the early 90's and the other was an IBM video of a
conference in which they present OOT. Neither are "classic" in their
subject matter, but I was wondering if anyone has any that are. I would
thrilled beyond belief to see a promo video for "Lisa". I'm sure
they must have considering their efforts to sell the thing. Anything old
would be a hoot. IBM must have put out tons of stuff.
Colan
Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com> wrote:
> I'm really wondering if you guys are talking about the same thing I am
> here but I have a perfect condition HP 700/44 terminal with rs232 and
> current loop connections on back, with keyboard. I believe it's
> monochrome amber and emulates different systems.
No, they're not talking about the same thing. A 700/RX (I think) is
an X terminal, meaning it wants to talk X over a network (TCP/IP or
maybe DECnet, and yes it probably has an Ethernet interface built-in)
with X client programs running on other hosts. A 700/44 is a
traditional terminal that wants to send characters across a serial
line. In particular the 700/44 emulates a PC terminal and DEC
VT52/100/200 terminals. It doesn't do all that HP block-mode
stuff that I ramble on about sometimes.
-Frank McConnell
So, I went to the surplus depot today to dig around for good stuff. To
folks looking for NeXT stuff, sorry, none to be found today. Aside from
that, I *DID* find some cool stuff. If you're interested in any of this
stuff, send me private e-mail and maybe we can work something out.
(1) NCS Sentry 3000 Test Scanner (for grading scantron type tests)
$25
(4) DEC DEMPERs
$10/ea
(1) SummaSketch II Tablet
$40
I also ran across an HP 700/x X-Terminal. Does anybody know anything about
these? It looks like it will run a standard 15-pin VGA monitor. It's dirt
cheap and I'd LOVE to have an another xterm around the house. Any info?
Thanks
rob
through my parents Record collection and found a record that is Moog mus
< It was something I was looking for, as it was so unusual that I remembe
< when my dad brought it home over 20 years ago.
<
< Anyway I was wondering if anyone knows anything about what kind of hardw
< was used for this?
Most of the early Moog work was done an ANALOG synths using multitrack
recording as most were not polytonic machines. Names of people who did
commercial work were Wendy Carlos, Iaso Tomita and Claude Denjean to name
some in my collection (Vinyl). The classic was Switched on Bach, Carlos.
Some had primitive sequencers but it would not be until the late 70s that
the computer->synth connection would start to really get out of the lab.
Allison
Since we're on the subject:
I have a small synth that was sold at Radio Shack (Tandy) that is labelled
"Mini Moog Music" Are there any relation to the Moog we're talking about or
did they only used the name for marketting?
Francois
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I'm really wondering if you guys are talking about the same thing I am
here but I have a perfect condition HP 700/44 terminal with rs232 and
current loop connections on back, with keyboard. I believe it's
monochrome amber and emulates different systems.
This is the last (and best) of the batch I had for sale. I'd like $15
plus shipping for this one.
Also still have the Visual 102 terminal with keyboard in breat
condition, $10 plus shipping - but a little heavier.
The DEC VT 220 is spoken for and the DEC 100 is due to get gutted next
week.-
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< I hope it wasn't too obscure! I had an exhibit in the 1980 one which wa
< called the "Personal Computer Arts Festival". The music was the first da
< visual art the second. For your interest, the music program was:
Electronic music was a popular application in the 76-82 timeframe before
midi caught hold. It was activly followed and robotics was another group.
Allison
My girlfriend and I have a PDP with a Charles River Data Systems RL02
clone. Anyone know a boot loader for this puppy?
(Funny thing is, Charles River Data Systems is less than two blocks from
my office, noone there knows anything about the drives :)
Tony
Well, I finally got it.
Took it apart and found that whomever owned it previously already
mounted a power switch in the back and runs all the AC voltage thru
there.
There is alot of corrosion on the ICs in the front panel, I'm going to
need to spend some time cleaning everything up there.
One switch and two switch covers are broken but those are easy to
replace.
Four of the 100 pin card edge connectors need to be replaced (two are
just way too loose and corroded, the others are broken).
Everything else seems to be fine (the power supply is okay and supplying
the proper voltages).
Now all I gotta do is order all these parts and enough S-100 cards to
complete a CP/M system and I'm all set.
Wish me luck!
Tony Dellett
At 08:58 AM 7/27/98 -0400, Allison wrote:
>Electronic music:
>
>One item I reported I had was not from PCC-77 but instead an obscure
>event known as the Philadephia Computer Music Festival in 78. That was an
>effort of Creative computing. It featured music from:
>
I hope it wasn't too obscure! I had an exhibit in the 1980 one which was
called the "Personal Computer Arts Festival". The music was the first day,
visual art the second. For your interest, the music program was:
Hal Chamberlin, High quality music synthesis outside of real-time using
microcomputers.
Laurie Speigel, Computer Composition systems.
Rob Moore, The Apple orchestra.
Joe Wilson, Computer control of an analog synthesizer.
Steve Levine, A collection of computer music experiments for the hobbyist.
Bill Mauchly, A discussion of timbre in computer music synthesis.
Roger Meyers, A synopsis of computer music composition and techniques
>from MUSIC 5 to the Synclavier.
Rebecca Mercuri, Digital sound research at RCA.
Kevin Doren, The Crumar gwneral development system; a large scale
digital synthesizer.
Jon Bondy, The Casheab 32 voice synthesizer for the S-100 bus.
Stuart Newfeld, A disk based music editor and four voice synthesizer for the
S-100 bus.
Ellen Lapham, Charles Kellner, The Alpha Syntauri computer music keyboard.
Cliff Ashcraft, Frank Covitz, Enhanced software for music synthesis using the
6502.
AB Computers, The visible music monitor.
The evening concert was by:
Laurie Spiegal, Hal Chamberlin, Rob Moore, and Frank Covitz & Cliff Ashcraft.
Hal C. played (in real time, of course) Bach's T. and Fugue in D minor from
a 12.5Mb file, a lot of floppy swapping.
-Dave
Check this out. If you want to make a quick $90 on any VS3100's you've
got, this fellow's looking. I only have one left, so I'm hanging onto it
for now.
Attachment follows.
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>>Subject: WTB
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>>I'm looking for a VAXstation 3100 with ULTRIX installed. I don't need a
>>kb, mouse or monitor, since I already have a vt220 that I can use, but I
>>will need one of the special cables that you need to hook up the terminal
>>up to the computer.
>>
>>I don't have that much money (I've allocated about $140 for this), so I'm
>>looking for something that I can buy for around $90 or so.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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I recently got one of those combo drives -- the one with both a
5.25" and a 3.5" floppy built in. It is the Teac FD505... I
currently have a Teac FD-55GFV (RX33) on my RQDX3 at home... is
anyone familiar with the two drives? Can I replace eht RX33 with
the combo drive and get it to work? I've already tried simply
using it as distributed... and the controller (sorry, its the
RQZX1 controller, not RQDX3) sees the two drives. But when I
try to access either, they get directory read errors on disks I
know should work...
Any help appreciated...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
>>>ard(a)p85ug1.demon.co.uk
>If it's any help, the AY-3-8912 is the AY-3-8910 with only 1 8 bit I/O
>port rather than 2 (and the AY-3-8913 has no I/O ports). The sound
>registers are identical.
>
>I'm sure I've got pinouts of all 3 devices, and descriptions of the
>registers if you need them.
I'm interested in whatever information you can provide... I've had this
for awhile, but have had no documentation or even code to drive it, so
I couldn't figure it out.
I worked with the MicroPower/Pascal people way back when they worked
on the star wars cantina demo, but I never had a doc set for the
board...
Any help MUCH appreciated...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
k
Oopsie... Sorry... PDP-11/23
(i even called her at work cause I couldn't remember wether it was the
23 or the 34)
Tony :)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Fandt [mailto:cfandt@servtech.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 1:58 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: PDP Boot Loader
>
>
> At 12:35 28-07-98 -0400, you wrote:
> >My girlfriend and I have a PDP with a Charles River Data Systems RL02
> >clone. Anyone know a boot loader for this puppy?
> >
> >(Funny thing is, Charles River Data Systems is less than two
> blocks from
> >my office, noone there knows anything about the drives :)
>
> Tony, tell us what PDP model it is! (PDP-11/23 or -11/44 or
> PDP-8/E, or
> etc. etc.)
>
> Regards, Chris
> -- --
> Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
> Jamestown, NY USA
> Member of Antique Wireless Association
> URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
>
Someone mentioned staroffice. Do they still offer 3.x for download? I
couldn't find it anywhere, though Caldera is selling 4.0 for $20. Where
is the website? I thought it was www.stardivision.com.
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Was there a puck with this? I have a Summasketch something-or-other, and
I want to know how the puck works, pinout, etc.
>(1) SummaSketch II Tablet
> $40
>
>rob
>
>
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> Somewhat more back on topic , Megan let slip that you designed an
>interface for the "Mark 11". Would it a major undertaking to build an A-D
>converter to take the VCO off an analogue synth and convert it to MIDI
>or to sample or record it ? And my ST is over 10 years old !! : ^ ))
Actually, the 'MK10' stood for 'Music Kludge - 10' and apparently
consisted of something attached to the accumulator lights (which
the software flashed on and off at the appropriate fequencies).
We called our board the MK11-B (Music Kludge - 11, revision B). The
Rev A was my initial circuit which was one SGC driven by a DR11C on
the pdp-11/10 I have at home.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of ' ' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
I been in yer shoes.
The color NeXT Station used either a proprietary keyboard/mouse
interface or ADB versions. I'm not sure how to figger out which is which
but the guys at http://www.deepspacetech.com/ would, plus, they carry
the other stuff you're gonna need to get the sucker up and running (like
the OS).
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Eros [mailto:Anthony.Eros@digital.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 1998 7:21 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: NeXtStation TurboColor
>
>
> I picked up a NeXtStation TurboColor box today at a hamfest.
> A kid had
> just bought 3 monitors, 4 boxes and a small stack of manuals and sold
> me the extra system box for $25. No memory or hard disk and
> (of course)
> no monitor, cable, keyboard, mouse or software.
>
> Does anyone have experience with these systems? Any tips on getting
> the pieces needed to get it running?
>
> -- Tony
>
They start most items at 1000. I know where you can get an imagewriter
printer in a clear plastic case with serial #1000.
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Owad [mailto:tomowad@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 1998 6:22 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Apple Prototype Keyboard
>
>
> I just acquired two Apple prototype keyboards. The
> keyboard is very
> small with no frame and only 58 keys. They hvae stereo-type
> connectors
> on them, as oppose to ADB, and I have an adapter box to hook
> them up to a
> Mac Plus (and they do work, btw).
> According to my "AppleDesign" book, they are "Cassie" keyboards,
> co-designed by Mannock and Esslinger for the SnowWhite Project. Does
> anyone have any further information on these keyboards? And how do
> things like this get outside of Apple? I'm under the
> impression Apple
> doesn't exactly give this kind of stuff away.
>
> On the back the keyboards read:
>
> [logo]apple
> apq
> Development Engineering
> PROTOTYPE
> S/n# Model#
> 1012
> (the other says "1032")
>
> Does Apple start numbering at '1' or '1000'?
>
> The keyboard, btw, is obviously a prototype. The whole thing
> seems quite
> flimsy and the keys are all angled slightly differently.
>
> Tom
>
> --
> Sysop of Caesarville Online
> Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
>
< I, too, have the Bermuda Triangle LP, but if I remember correctly I have
< copies -- one pressed in pink vinyl and one pressed in blue.
Mine was plan vinyl (black) a later copy.
< As an aside, My personal favorite of the early synth years is Larry Fast
< Synergy project.
I have those too. Electronic realizations for a rock Orchestra.
Allison
< Originally, the Altair (S-100) bus did not define a need for termination
< any kind. It was not until things on the bus started to speed up (usin
< DMA and such) that anyone apparently thought about it.
The altair bus was never specified, nor engineered. IF it were it would
not have been built that way.
It was more like people tried to makes them work and found the crashed
often and without apparent cause. Other people found if the move the
boards from one slow to another would make a program crash. Using an
extender card crashed the system. Most all found as they added memory the
system would get more or less stable. I was one of the early ones looking
at the data lines mostly if horror with my scope. Of the handfull of
computer people in the LI, NY area at the time I was one of the few with a
scope.
< Can't hurt. I will say however, I do seem to recall seeing a board or t
< that would not run on a terminated bus, but that has been so long that
< don't evem recall what it was.
There were a few really badly designed boards that couldn't drive the bus
at all well and tended to also aggravate the noise situation.
Allison
Just purchased three Zenith Data Systems laptops at a Hamfest - my
first IBM-compatible computers, believe it or not (always focused on the
Apples & under-the-TV 8-bit systems).
Needless to say, I don't know a thing about them. There are no power
adapters. I have a 12v 300 mA adapter. Will that work with them? I
hooked it up to all three systems - 2 of them didn't do a thing. The
third "spins" up and I can hear a very faint wining noise from inside.
The monitor, however, shows nothing (could this be due to too little
amperage?). The computer gives a three-tone beep every 15 seconds or so
(estimate) and beeps whenever I press a key.
Anybody have any suggestions? Like I said, I don't anything about
these, so any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom
--
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Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
>>> [Linux World Domination]
>>> Y'know, once we get that user-friendly stuff happening, we're gonna
>>> kick windows's ass.
>>> User friendly + reliable + free = the next killer O/S.
>>> Windows will simply have no way to compete and still turn a profit.
>> One name: ApplixWare. Go find it and install it. That'll provide you
>> with all the user-friendliness you want.
> Yup. Redhat Applixware running under Caldera 1,2 with Redhad/Triteal
> CDE. Beats the crap of my NT system at work with Office '97 in both
> user-friendly and stable. IMAO of course.
Ever tried KDE - IMHO the best attempt to get a whole
desktop environment - and its public. (And try StarOffice
as office suite -> you'll never think again about MS,
especialy since SO is also availabe for Win3.1/95/NT
_and_ OS/2).
CCob:
Ever tried (DR-)DOS and GEM ? _TONS_ of good old and some new soft!
Gruss
H.
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HRK
Is it possible to take a "standard" svga type lcd display and wire it
to a typical SVGA video card? How does it differ inside a laptop that
has both an external SVGA adapter and the internal LCD connection? I'd
love to use some of these LCD displays I have in some systems. any info
would be appreciated.
-Eric
< I still have one prototyped at home... it allowed up to 9 voices
< (three voices/chip, 3 chips) of sound, and 3 voices of percussion.
I happen to have the DEC internal card for the Q-bus Ey-0105E-ms-101
(AKA Gigilo), uses two GI-AY-3-8912 sound chips. I also have some of the
PDP-11 software to drive it.
I don't have a schematic for it or the specs for the sound chips however I
do have a few sources for the music play software (asm a upower pascal).
I also have the honor of meeting Carlos in an old wherehouse and sound
lab on Long Island back in 1973 when the company I was with was moving
in to the facility. There was some amazing old junk left behind like
old audio power amps with 807s and 813s... It was just down the block
>from SUNY farmingdale.
Allison
< I've not been able to find time to dig into the machine, are the two
< powersupplies in a BA123 the same or different? My dead one is the one
< that powers the card cage.
<
Zane,
thy both power the card cage each one a different part of it. Running on
one is bad.
Do inspect them for fan failures and blown fuses. Also if one or the
other is not loaded enough it's may not start up!
Allison
I need to move some data from Wang 5.25" VS15 diskettes (OS ver. 6.43.20) to
ASCII. Is there anyone who'd like a project? I'm not sure at this point how
many diskettes there will be, but generally these projects run around 15-20
diskettes.
TIA,
David
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http://www.ibmhelp.com/
Having a bit of cabin fever Sunday I convinced my wife (well, not really...
she likes foraging as much as I) to go thrifing. First stop in Stockton was
the the college parking-lot flea market (never know what you're going to find
there.) I was almost empty-handed when I found a a bin of 16 Atari Carts
(actually 15 I later discovered as one was missing the guts) paid $5.00 for
the lot. Included were few standards such as BASIC, Star Raiders, Defender,
and Asteroids but also Atari Assembler, a Dealer Demo Cart, a couple word
processors, an "educational system master cart" (networking??? Pilot?) etc.
Pretty good find. Still need to test em.
Another item, an facinating BASIC book, "Elementary BASIC", a BASIC
instructional guide using the Sherlock Holmes character (from the texts of
Dr.Watson), in it Sherlock Holmes solves a few cases with programs ran on
Babbage's Analytical Engine ('translated' to BASIC by the authors). Pretty off-beat.
The last stop was to our favorite thrift store which did well by us again, I
picked up an Apple IIc (sans power supply) for $3.98, and a really nifty item,
a Sharp PC1501 Pocket calculator w/printer/cassette module (CE-150) in its
carrying case with some cables (no ps for these either) for $4.92! Tested the
handheld, it works, even though the batteries I removed were drippy; the
expansion unit I have yet to get working (not enough power from the adapter I
guess??) There is also a cassette tape in there, will be fun to check that
out. The Apple will have to wait till I find a PS unit, since it is my first
8-bit apple unit. I have little for it but the computer, a users guide and a
few loose disks picked up here and there. I figure I'll collect some of the
games I thought were cool for it and maybe a gizmo or two. Ahhh Another
beginning, will be fun to discover a tidbit here and there, as finding the
Commodore oddities are getting harder to locate.
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In a message dated 98-07-27 21:45:43 EDT, you write:
<< I was just given a Mac, which doesn't seem to have a hard drive or
software.
Does anyone have an O/S he (she) would wish to get rid of cheap(ly), plus an
app or two?
I'm presuming my DOS 3.3 won't work. <g>
>>
I have lots of old mac apps that will work on se and older models. message me
privately, as well as anyone else that might be interested. i've got about 500
low density 3.5 disks to get rid of anyway...
david
At 01:56 26-07-98 -0700, you wrote:
>Linux world domination continues! Oracle just announced it will be making
>versions of its products for Linux. Informix is already shipping Linux
>versions of their database products too!
Uhhh... Sam? Old news. I saw that a week ago on www.news.com. ;-)
That, of course, doesn't make it any less dee-lightful. Now, if I could
only convince the smaller EDA tool vendors to port to Linux... I'm going to
be dual-boot until then, unfortunately. My schematic capture/SPICE
simulator, and PCB layout programs will only run under NT.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272)
(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
>I would also be interested in the 5140 power supply... maybe a couple
>of spares...
You can have up to five power supplies, $5 each, shipped. Let me know.
Sincerely,
Tom Owad
--
Sysop of Caesarville Online
Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
>I believe there were (are) several different models of Zenith Data Systems
>laptops, so the power supplies may vary. However my model 150-308 uses a DC
>16.5v 2A adapter.
Mine is "Model ZWL-184-97". Quite a mouthful. It also says it is 12v,
but nothing about amperage.
Thanks for the info.
Tom
--
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Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
Tom,
I believe there were (are) several different models of Zenith Data Systems
laptops, so the power supplies may vary. However my model 150-308 uses a DC
16.5v 2A adapter.
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Monday, July 27, 1998 5:58 PM
Subject: Zenith Data Systems laptop
> Just purchased three Zenith Data Systems laptops at a Hamfest - my
>first IBM-compatible computers, believe it or not (always focused on the
>Apples & under-the-TV 8-bit systems).
>
> Needless to say, I don't know a thing about them. There are no power
>adapters. I have a 12v 300 mA adapter. Will that work with them? I
>hooked it up to all three systems - 2 of them didn't do a thing. The
>third "spins" up and I can hear a very faint wining noise from inside.
>The monitor, however, shows nothing (could this be due to too little
>amperage?). The computer gives a three-tone beep every 15 seconds or so
>(estimate) and beeps whenever I press a key.
>
> Anybody have any suggestions? Like I said, I don't anything about
>these, so any advice would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
>
>--
>Sysop of Caesarville Online
>Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
>
>
< I wonder if it's the cable? (As is, the Kaypro supports two drives (SA4
< equivalent). The original owner bought a little hardware thingie that d
Advent Turborom drivr personality board.
< So I bought a new cable. It has that stupid half-twist, so I'm wonderin
< to coax my system into working with the new cable. I think I understand
< situation from the point of view of the drives (both drives are jumpered
you cant. IT swaps a few lines around and will confuse the mess. I doubt
the original cable is bad. More likely if the drives are really SA400(l)
the positioner has slid from the notch it follows in the cam.
< #1, and some pins are exchanged: 10 <-> 16, 11 <-> 15, 12 <-> 14).
< But doesn't the computer have to cooperate in this farce? That is, woul
< have to reprogram my BIOS to mess things up in the same way as the IBM P
< hardware, so that the drive cable can do its part and thus it all ends u
< (sort of) working?
it's not a pc, no progrmming option. The half twist was so two identical
drives would work without changing jumpers. Everyone else made you change
jumpers.
Allison
Anyone tried the lastest DR-DOS by Caldera? Just curious how good it
actually is especially on older machines. Saw a write up proposing that
obsoletes may become viable resources again using DR-DOS but at present
I haven't had a chance to download the trial and run it on a 286. Im
sure someone here is deeply into it.-
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>I picked up a NeXtStation TurboColor box today at a hamfest. A kid had
>just bought 3 monitors, 4 boxes and a small stack of manuals and sold
>me the extra system box for $25. No memory or hard disk and (of course)
>no monitor, cable, keyboard, mouse or software.
What a coincidence! I just bought 3 monitors, 4 boxes, a small stack of
manuals and sold
somebody the extra system box for $25 at a hamfest in Timonium on Sunday.
Haven't had a chance to even look them over yet, not sure what's in them.
>Does anyone have experience with these systems?
Nope.
>Any tips on getting the pieces needed to get it running?
Same here. Anybody. And I'm in need of software and a monitor cable as
well.
Tom
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Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
I'm in need of some stuff and also have some I want to get rid of. Email
me if interested.
I need:
Small internal SCSI HD's
ADB keyboards (especially NeXT)
ADB Mice (especially NeXT)
Old grayscale monitors with DB15 connectors (for use with Mac IIci/IIcx)
NeXT computer-to-NeXT monitor cable - top priority
Mac computer-to-NeXT monitor cable
Mac computer-to-Mac monitor cable
NeXT software - can it boot off disk?
I have:
IBM 5140 power supplies
Mac II 0/0
Mac IIcx 0/0
Data Systems 086-based laptop (as yet untested)
Apple IIe
2 Disk II drives
ImageWriter II
Please note that I will be unable to recevie email from July 30 to August
8 while I'm on vacation.
Tom Owad
--
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Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
>If you were near me I'd tell you just to come by and I'd do a builddisk
>for you. Perhaps someone else will offer. $25 was a good deal- last time
>I checked they were still going for a couple hundred. Poor kid!
Hmm. Had no idea they were worth that much. I paid $120 for the four
computers, three monitors, and manuals. Had to sell one of them so that
I could afford more stuff! I also came home with 8 Mac IIci/IIcx's and
some old Data Systems laptops.
Tom
--
Sysop of Caesarville Online
Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>
>> What kind of boards? Was it single-board or backplane or what?
>> Also, what are the key differences between Hp and PC?
> Why not start with the key similarities, it's a shorter list.
> They both had 8088s and ran MS-DOS. OK, there you go.
> The original HP150 looks like a 9" CRT in a box, with a keyboard
> attached via coiled cord that goes to the back. Typically there would
> be an HP-IB disc drive of some sort (probably with a 91xx model
> number) around, most likely using 3.5" stiffies because HP was an
> early adopter of the Sony 90mm medium, but even without that the 150
> can be used as a terminal (it mostly looks like an HP2623A monochrome
> graphics terminal).
Thats the reason why a lot of people can't guess the processor - they
always open the Disk unit and can't find any x86 type chip :)
Gruss
H.
BTW: I'm looking for a set of System Disks for the 150.
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HRK
This is n response to your site asking if anyone has TRS-80 Model III
computers to sell. I have one I may be interested in selling. It has
never had the case open. Also have a wide carriage printer to go with
it. E-mail me at srayner(a)erols.com with an offer. Thanks. Steve
Rayner.
I've been tinkering with my Kaypro to try to eliminate the errors that drive B
has been giving me. Putting in a new floppy drive didn't seem to fix them;
I wonder if it's the cable? (As is, the Kaypro supports two drives (SA400 or
equivalent). The original owner bought a little hardware thingie that does
something to the drive-select signals to add support for four drives; he also
added a connector to the cable for drive C between A's and B's connectors.
I currently have no drive C, and only drive B is giving me problems -- that's
why I suspect the cable.)
So I bought a new cable. It has that stupid half-twist, so I'm wondering how
to coax my system into working with the new cable. I think I understand the
situation from the point of view of the drives (both drives are jumpered as
#1, and some pins are exchanged: 10 <-> 16, 11 <-> 15, 12 <-> 14).
But doesn't the computer have to cooperate in this farce? That is, would I
have to reprogram my BIOS to mess things up in the same way as the IBM PC's
hardware, so that the drive cable can do its part and thus it all ends up
(sort of) working?
It's worth trying the new cable (though it seems rather cheap, and there's a
break in the insulation, though that could be because I dropped it on a
concrete floor at the store). But if it's too much trouble, I'll skip it.
Incidentally: God damn IBM for cutting corners this way, and making people
think shenanigans like this are totally normal and to be expected, and messing
with a perfectly reasonable interface.
-- Derek
Further note, I pulled the drive out, it's an archive Corp 9020I
Any info would be appreciated
Karl
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Email: k.maftoum(a)student.canberra.edu.au
At 11:16 PM 7/23/98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote:
>Wow, it sounds like somebody just lost their GRiD-virginity. John H. took
>my 1535EXP, so I have to go from memory. It's a 386DX-33 (in a PGA, so
Yes, I actually flew across the country, broke into his house, grabbed the
mag-alloy 1535 out of his hands, repeatedly beat him over the head with it,
and took off. Doug, you're lucky to be alive after all that. :) Maybe
that's why I'm having problems with the sucker!
>you can upgrade it via Cyrix/TI/etc) with up to 8MB RAM (low-profile
>SIPs). I think it wants 16-18V DC, center neg. The empty hole will
>accomidate eithe battery or a power supply with an AC plug.
Yep, that sounds about right. It uses the same power brick my GRiDPad 1912
uses. BTW, if anyone needs a keyboard adapter cable for their GRiDPad, let
me know. I have 5 extras.
>The connector on the bottom of the machine plugs into a docking tray,
>which John H. also took and I think was trying to sell last time I
>checked. (John, are you there?)
I'd rather trade it to someone who can really use it. Even if it works, I
don't really have a use for it, and the 1535 w/8mb is a very usable machine
even without the tray.
GRiD 1535 BIOS Date: 1989, slightly under the 10 year mark, but these are
such extrordinary machines!
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I picked up a NeXtStation TurboColor box today at a hamfest. A kid had
just bought 3 monitors, 4 boxes and a small stack of manuals and sold
me the extra system box for $25. No memory or hard disk and (of course)
no monitor, cable, keyboard, mouse or software.
Does anyone have experience with these systems? Any tips on getting
the pieces needed to get it running?
-- Tony
Our UK members will want to see this. Contact the fellow directly if
you want a free MicroVAXen.
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On Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:50:38 +0100, in comp.sys.dec you wrote:
>>From: stuart <s.d.birchall(a)surveying.salford.ac.uk>
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>>Dear all,
>>I have a Microvax 2 mounted in a ba23 enclosure, free to good home.
>>Must collect. TK50, RD53 all working + tapes.
>>Manchester area.
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> A few questions about clean(ing) circuits:
> a)Can dust cause any damage to a PCB? Can it short anything?
Yes and No - no direct harm is done, but dust turns out
to be a good insulator, so the core temerature of the
chips rise if they are covered by dust - even a small
dust film can be difficult. Higher core temperature means
higer stress, more aging and sooner irreversible failure.
> b)What do you recommend for cleaning out PCBs if there's lot of it,
> or spiderwebs, mold whatever?
Yes cleaning is a must. I use several methods:
1. If the board is small enough to fit, I use an ultrasound
cleaning device. This method is not usable if stickers
or other non wter resistant markings ar on the board
(and should be keeprd intact). ultrasound cleaning removes
anything in less than a minute.
2. If the board is to big i use oridinary water (but destiled
is prefered to avoide calcium (?) stains). Maybe with a
little soap in front.
3. If there are some stickers to preserve, I use only short
'splashes' of water, from a mouth washing device.
Alle three methods requiere intensive drying. So I first
use a soft (frotee) towel, and then wave the board to dry
of thebigger parts. If the board is very crowded (like a
IBM-PC or XT) I will use a centrifuge (spin dryer). The
board has to be fixed to get the right. Also a hair drywer
for blowing _cold_ air is usefull to drive out the water.
I never use warm air, since it is less efektive and leaves
more stains on the surface. But as I said, using destiled
water makes it less cruical when it comes to drying.
Also 'canned' compessed air as available in some shops can
be used to drivew out the water from deep corners.
You don't have to remoe all chips.
4) Now if I can't use water, I thake several soft towels
(fabric) and rub off the dirt. A sponge with a liite
soap water, and a second one with clear destilled water.
Also a stick an linnen is usefull to remove dirt from
the edges.
The ultrasound method can be used for a lot of parts.
Even sonme keyboards do well - Original PC-Keyboards
could be dumped without any preperation into the water
and cleaned in just a few seconds.
Oh: NEVER USE ANY CHEMICAL CLEANERS (beside _pUre_ soap)
ON YOUR PCBS - NEVER - NEVER - NEVER.
> c)Does distilled water cause rust?
Basicly almost no, but after touching thesurface it
isn't destilled water :) The main reason for rust
is high humidity always dry your precesious little
ones and store them not in an swamp like climate
(sorry if you live in FL or somewhere near the
Amazonas).
> d)Can distilled water be used to clean circuits?
Yes - see above.
> e)As I understand, tap/spring/rain/etc. water is full of minerals
> and that's why it's conductive as well as rust-causing
Yes/no - If you dry them, they won't pick up rust.
> f)A while ago, I picked up a bunch of 5.25" diskettes, which I hardly
> allowed to dry before I put them into the plastic box. Now I
> looked inside, and mold is spreading from the Microsoft Assembler
> diskettes onto the Apple II ones. What is safe to use to clean
> the mold (it's reeely disgusting!)?
Thats the problem with Microsoft - They always want to
pollute the environment - and as we see not only the
Internet or Java, even simple helpless Apple Disks are
to be transformed in non standard monsters :)
Normaly I could suggest just to dump them since most of
the software is not very unique. But again here are
several levels of restauration:
1. If you only want to keep the software:
Rip of the cover, clean the disk with cold air and / or
alcohol (no nor brandy - use isopropyl alcohol) - take
a _clean_new_ linnen and pour alcohol on. now go soft (!)
ofer the disk to remove any parts - try to 'roll' the
fabric to change the surface and lift of the mold.
now place the disk into a new cover (always open only
one side). If the disk wasn't damages itself you now
should be able to read the content and duplicate it.
I used this Method several times in data recovering
actions.
2. I you just want to keep the cover (special print, or
just since it is an genuine early Microsoft :):
Take a sponge with warm destiled soap water and sponge
it down (Never look at the disk ... it's a shame :).
Drying and now storing a at a dry place to prevent the
mold to come up again - Mold doesn't like dry places to
flourisch.
3. You want keep both:
Combine one and two - so you have a funktional copy
and a displayable disk. Or just use method 1 and transfer
the label to the _new_ copy.
4. You realy want to keep this disk (worst case):
Forgett it - at least You have to do it like in 1) but
you'll have to open the original cover _very_ carfully
clean the disk, clean the cover AND replace all this
fabric fleece inside the disk for new fabric - thats
_very_ sifficult - and even if you mange this, the
disk well always look damaged. The possibility of
reinstaling mold is also the highest.
Some tips:
- Never use Mold covered Disks - or if you have to,
restrict the usage to on 'mold-only' drive.
- Don't use disks lying next to moled disks - the little
friend is already there.
- Store your disks always dry and with enough air
circulation.closed cases can be deadly to your
Disk.
- Avoide high humidity
- Avoide low humidity, since the fleece will become
damaged.
- Avoide heat - Some disks could start to loss their
data as soon as 60 degree (140F)
- Avoide cold - Never use disks below 10 degree (50F)
the stress results in higher aging (remember, flopy
disk drives are still cutting tools like a turning lathe)
Also the magnetic film will loose the tightening if the
temperature is to low (same as when to high (>80 degree 180F)
I already dumped several hundered Disks I recovered
previously from basements and garages because of
Mold.
Servus
Hans
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I tried it when it was OpenDOS. It's just like MS-DOS with a few
built in features. It will run on an 8086 and up, but you won't
be able to run their protected mode multitasking (no great loss).
You can still use the task swaper, though.
>Anyone tried the lastest DR-DOS by Caldera? Just curious how good it
>actually is especially on older machines. Saw a write up proposing that
>obsoletes may become viable resources again using DR-DOS but at present
>I haven't had a chance to download the trial and run it on a 286. Im
>sure someone here is deeply into it.-
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< You mentioned Wendy (?) Carlos in a previous msg. Was this a slip or wa
< this the wife of the well-known synthesiser-master Walter Carlos who di
< the sound-track for "Clock-Work Orange " ?
Riddle, she is his own sister and self.
< Somewhat more back on topic , Megan let slip that you designed an inter
< for the "Mark 11". Would it a major undertaking to build an A-D converte
No that was the PDP-11. I wouldn't know a mark-11 from a brick.
< take the VCO off an analogue synth and convert it to MIDI or to sample o
< record it ? And my ST is over 10 years old !! : ^ ))
Seems the hard way was as most PCs with sound record can do that. The
problem of doing straight A/d is the host computer has to be fast enough
to support 22,000 or greater samples a second and enough memory to store
it all. Midi is not fast enough to sample/reproduce straight a/d or d/a
sound wich is why all midi devices that are reproducers are self
contained.
Allison
Electronic music:
One item I reported I had was not from PCC-77 but instead an obscure
event known as the Philadephia Computer Music Festival in 78. That was an
effort of Creative computing. It featured music from:
RCA COSMAC VIP system with 4k and super soundboard.
ALF a system of up to 8 boards one per voice for s100.
SSMSB-1 S100 that could be used in groups.
Notran done at NCSU on an ambilog 200 (obscure 30 bit machine).
Software techology on SOL20
Schertz S100 based hardware
Newtech system another s100 card basically a DAC.
BEll labs Computer speach as featured at the 1964 NY Worlds Fair.
Name of programmer/performers:
Mel Richman
Joe Weisbecker
Gooitzen van der Wal
Andrew Modia
John Ridges
Malcolm Wright and Steve North
Hal Chamberlin
David Ahl
Donanld Schertz
Dorothy Siegal
D.H.Van Lenten
That list is also a whos who of early pre PC computing.
Allison
< >Actually there was DECnet-8! Dual processor machines were not uncommon
<
< Any further information (or pointers) to either DECnet-8 or dual process
< would be of interest.
Check the archive at dbit.com or at uu.se. Sorry the full addresses are
elsewhere. It is on the net in amoung the other PDP-8 software.
< Was DECnet-8 compatible with later DECnets (Phase III or IV)?
I don't think it was even phase-III. There was never eithernet.
< I did already check with Tim and the lads at the site. Plenty of
< binaries, no docs. Too bad too cause it's just what I need.
Go back and look again. there are docs there as both PS and PDF files.
Also more are being added when possible.
Allison
> Can I make use of the Centronics interface? What type of 'serial car'
> do you recommend? Can I use my Apple //c w/serial port but w/o CP/M?
No, or at least not without doing some own programming (the
Paralell boards for the ][ uses 652x devices in most cases).
Yes, the Serial of the //c is an ordinary, build in Super
Serial Card. But the //c will read CP/M files only in RAW
mode - so any nibble copy programm (or even RWTS programms)
can copy CP/M disks from DOS (>3.2, 16 Sector DOS) or ProDOS.
If you want to copy CP/M files logicaly (I think thats what
you need for transfer) you could only use the CP/M environment.
The best way is to put a SSC in an ][, ][+ or //e boot CP/M
and use MODEM7 for Transfer (and _ANY_ programm on the PC :)
You could also use any other serial card, if it is supported
by your CP/M - But its hard to find anything not SSC compatible .)
Gruss
H.
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< which output a tape to another machine, referred to only as a "PB
< 250 Computer" [Pitney Bowes?] [Packard Bell?] which acted as the
Packard Bell, I know where there is a 250 even!
FYI I have a vinyl of early computer music some of which was rendered in
such a way as you describe. I picked it up at PCC'76 or maybe 77.
Back then there were a lot of different efforts to render computer music.
Some were quite interesting but the best of the day was from the people
with the blue boards that called themselves SSM or Solid State Music.
Allison
Wasn't someone looking for Vic 20's for their collections? (Dan???) I'm
sure this person will part out what they have even though they think
they may be able to get a package offer. Contact them at the Erols.Com
address listed below.
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Linda Ballard <gardener(a)erols.com>
Stafford, VA Stafford - Sunday, July 26, 1998 at 17:41:21
We currently own six C64 computers, seven 1541s, two C128s,
two Vic 20s, several monitors, Amigas, printers, etc. and
would like to know who to contact regading selling all our
C64 and Amiga equipment. We have tons of games and mag-
azines also. All are in great condition (some never used).
We would like to clear out our playroom so would prefer to
sell everything all at once and not one piece at a time.
Contact us for details.
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does anyone have any experience using hardware copyright keys? I picked
up a couple copies of some software from a thrift shop today and some of
them ask for hardware keys- the most info i can find is something about
serial card plugs? It didn't have them in the box, and I couldn't track
down any info on who donated them. am I completely out of luck ? It
seems to me that I would have to buy a whole copy from the original
seller of the software, but I doubt they're still in business. any info?
-Eric
< How many instructions? I believe the Pentium has on the order of 80, not
< sure.
More like 100+, not counting all the addressing modes. the instuction set
for the 8086 is many times larger than the PDP-8. The PDP-8 instuction
set is 47 (most all variations included), it's very minimal.
< They weren't networked at all? I mean, there weren't instances of
< connecting two machines with cables?
Actually there was DECnet-8! Dual processor machines were not uncommon.
but they were not networked like you would current machines. It was not
the mindset of that era and generally not required.
Allison
If you want to go the underground route, there are cracking programs that
defeat the hardware (dongle) locks on some programs. But I'm not suggesting
that you do it or anything.
At 09:54 PM 7/26/98 -0500, Poesie wrote:
>does anyone have any experience using hardware copyright keys? I picked
>up a couple copies of some software from a thrift shop today and some of
>them ask for hardware keys- the most info i can find is something about
>serial card plugs? It didn't have them in the box, and I couldn't track
>down any info on who donated them. am I completely out of luck ? It
>seems to me that I would have to buy a whole copy from the original
>seller of the software, but I doubt they're still in business. any info?
>
>-Eric
>
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< I'm hoping someone might have spare copies of DR PL/I-86 (CPM86)
< documents (Reference Manual & Programmer's Manual).
Visit the "Unofficial" CP/M Web site.
MAIN SITE AT : http://cdl.uta.edu/cpm
MIRROR AT : http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~cfs/cpm
It was down for a few days, if it's not up check the mirror.
Allison
The main problem with these machines is that they are still so heavily used that noone wants to give up the media (cd-roms, etc). You can try comp.sys.next.marketplace. There are also some websites... http://www.orb.com and http://www.deepspacetech.com.
Mostly what you probably need is a >300 mb standard SCSI harddrive, a cd-rom player that works with that machine [there are many but not all work] and the cd-rom media (NeXTStep 3.3 is probably the best).
If you were near me I'd tell you just to come by and I'd do a builddisk for you. Perhaps someone else will offer. $25 was a good deal- last time I checked they were still going for a couple hundred. Poor kid!
Once you get it working there's tons of software around for it, some of it the best quality available... try http://peanuts.leo.org and http://www.peak.org/next.
The machines, although great performers for their time are getting slow by today's standards. Because of that, and the fact that Mac OS X Server (aka Rhapsody) is somewhat available, the prices should be dropping lower.
Thomas
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From: Anthony Eros <Anthony.Eros(a)digital.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:21:17 -0400
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: NeXtStation TurboColor
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I picked up a NeXtStation TurboColor box today at a hamfest. A kid had
just bought 3 monitors, 4 boxes and a small stack of manuals and sold
me the extra system box for $25. No memory or hard disk and (of course)
no monitor, cable, keyboard, mouse or software.
Does anyone have experience with these systems? Any tips on getting
the pieces needed to get it running?
-- Tony
>I'm also looking for original PL/I programs for microcomputer platforms
>if anyone has some collecting dust.
Do you mean compilers (I think DR was the only one to do PL/I), or do
you mean application programs for an 8086 that used PL/I? I used the DR
compiler to do a sports handicapping system and a mailing list system.
It used DR's Acess Manager for the ISAM file system, and DR's Display
Manager to draw forms on terminals. It ran on an 80286 based Concurrent
DOS (aka MP/M II) custom built S-100 system. I believe I still have the
source code somewhere, if that's what you are looking for.
Jack Peacock
First of all, I believe it could be untwisted by pulling off the
back cover of the connector and pulling the cable off. Also, I
believe the IBM controllers walk fine with jumper-selected drives,
just that everyone uses the half twist thing.
>I've been tinkering with my Kaypro to try to eliminate the errors that
drive B
>has been giving me. Putting in a new floppy drive didn't seem to fix
them;
>I wonder if it's the cable? (As is, the Kaypro supports two drives
(SA400 or
>equivalent). The original owner bought a little hardware thingie that
does
>something to the drive-select signals to add support for four drives;
he also
>added a connector to the cable for drive C between A's and B's
connectors.
>I currently have no drive C, and only drive B is giving me problems --
that's
>why I suspect the cable.)
>
>So I bought a new cable. It has that stupid half-twist, so I'm
wondering how
>to coax my system into working with the new cable. I think I
understand the
>situation from the point of view of the drives (both drives are
jumpered as
>#1, and some pins are exchanged: 10 <-> 16, 11 <-> 15, 12 <-> 14).
>But doesn't the computer have to cooperate in this farce? That is,
would I
>have to reprogram my BIOS to mess things up in the same way as the IBM
PC's
>hardware, so that the drive cable can do its part and thus it all ends
up
>(sort of) working?
>
>It's worth trying the new cable (though it seems rather cheap, and
there's a
>break in the insulation, though that could be because I dropped it on a
>concrete floor at the store). But if it's too much trouble, I'll skip
it.
>
>Incidentally: God damn IBM for cutting corners this way, and making
people
>think shenanigans like this are totally normal and to be expected, and
messing
>with a perfectly reasonable interface.
>
>-- Derek
>
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I certainly do not want to propagate any more off-topic stuff, so
maybe e-mail would be mo bettah.
Having said that: The Model III that I have was used primarily for
R2D2, some of the ancillary robot, droid and creature noises, and a
lot of the tracks for the Alien Roadhouse Band, etc., etc. Thus I
was told by the previous owner, and corroborated by one of the
editors who worked on the pic.
Csound *is* in the digital domain, but it's output needs to be
made into a voltage somewhere; the early PDP11 versions used the
DACs of the day... in fact MUSIC IV was used entirely offline, one
coded the program, punched cards, waited until the (lowest-priority)
job was run [to tape], the the tape(s) were taken to another
facility to be rendered through DACs to am analog recording. *Then*
you debugged...
Zane, I would like very much to have an (archival only, honest!) CD
copy of the Hyman recording.
BACK ON TOPIC PART: I would love to locate some 70a vintage DACS,
prferably standalone boxes, or more DAC cards for my MINC. I am
trying to consolidate all the info/software/hardware I can around
the DEC Mini line and music. I have a wonderful picture of a PDP-5
system running a music notation and translation interface for MUSIC
IV at Bell Labs in the late 60s. It then sent code to an IBM 7094,
which output a tape to another machine, referred to only as a "PB
250 Computer" [Pitney Bowes?] [Packard Bell?] which acted as the
translator and DAC. I have soundsheets in the book of music
realized on this machine, and I'll put them up on my FTP site any
day now... (Thanks to Marvin, from whom I stole the book)
Damn, drifting off topic again... sigh.
I guess I should output a list of my collection....
Nah, too bleedin' hot right now.
Cheers to all
John
< Help? I have 2 power supplies for DEC BA123 boxes which
< no longer function. I suspect that in each case, something very
< simple has gone, such as the primary capacitors on the AC/DC
Don't ditch the failed supplies. They can be hard and expensive to
find. First failure mode on them is overheat due to failed fan. Usually
that takes the internal fuse. Open with care as the caps in them can
hold a lethal charge. Rare is the failure of the caps from what I've
seen. The high voltage chopper transistor or the input rectifiers are
more likely to be suspect.
Allison
> Zane, is your record from Norlin Company? If so, it is the (quite
>rare) demo record that Norlin put out when they bought Moog music
>from Bob (Moog). I have archived several of these demos, Moog and
>ARP and Oberhiem. Be careful if you play it, they weren't on the
>best vinyl.
Thanks... I couldn't remember Bob's first name...
When I was at WPI in the mid-70s, I got a chance to work with the
Arp AX and Odyssey (and a few others for which I forget names) to
produce some music which was used in a theatrical production on
campus (Beltold Brecht's Gallileo)...
I loved getting chances to work on those things...
> ObCLASSICCMP: One of my intentions for at least one of my PDP11
>systems is to interface it to my Moog, and obtain an old copy of
>Csound or the like.. to recreate an exact environment from the
>'childhood' of electronic music.
About a decade ago, a few friends of mine and I played with some
pdp-11 controlled music generation. We got a bunch of the TI
sound generation controllers and one person (who was adept at
IC circuit design) designed us a circuit for controlling a set of
these units from a DR11C (16-bit parallel output).
I still have one prototyped at home... it allowed up to 9 voices
(three voices/chip, 3 chips) of sound, and 3 voices of percussion.
Someone else got ahold of the Stanford music software for the pdp-10
and wrote a pdp-11 version of it... we had it playing a bunch of
the old stanford songs, and I entered a few more (like Scott
Joplin's "Crush Collision Rag"). Since the hardware connected to the
AC lights of the -10 was called the MK10, we called our board the
MK11...
Somewhere I have the schematic for it...
Later on, another friend (hi, Allison) designed a DLV11-J to MIDI
interface... I have a couple of Casio CT101 synthesizers and a
sequencer...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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>Anyway I was wondering if anyone knows anything about what kind of
>hardware was used for this?
Moog synthesizers...
'Moog' is not the kind of music ("Hey, let me put on some moog music."),
rather it is the name of the inventer of the synthesizer.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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< A few questions about clean(ing) circuits:
< a)Can dust cause any damage to a PCB? Can it short anything?
Yes, it can be conductive, block cooling and host molds and fungi.
< b)What do you recommend for cleaning out PCBs if there's lot of it,
< or spiderwebs, mold whatever?
Vacuum with a conductive (carbon/plastic fiber) brush.
< c)Does distilled water cause rust?
Rust is the product of oxidation. Air is the culprit. Water _may_
instigate electrolisys if not fully dried and power is appiled.
< d)Can distilled water be used to clean circuits?
Yes.
< e)As I understand, tap/spring/rain/etc. water is full of minerals
< and that's why it's conductive as well as rust-causing
Not enough to be a significant problem if it's dried. I have been known
to put grungy boards in the dishwasher. Works very well. The board must
be completely dried (160-180F overn works well).
< f)A while ago, I picked up a bunch of 5.25" diskettes, which I hardly
< allowed to dry before I put them into the plastic box. Now I
< looked inside, and mold is spreading from the Microsoft Assembler
< diskettes onto the Apple II ones. What is safe to use to clean
< the mold (it's reeely disgusting!)?
Dish soap and water.
Allison
A little slow again but I'll keep looking. Found the following items on
Friday and Saturday: 1) 386 tower loaded, cdrom, 51/4 and 3.5 FD's, sound
card, fax/modem, and all for $15 at Goodwill;
2) Mac 512k MB for $5 just to get a MacSnap SCSI board by DOVE that was
mounded on it;
3) Manual for Xerox 6060 family of machines Free;
4) HP2686A laserjet service manual;
5) HP2663A Technical reference manual;
6) Model 950 kb .80 at thrift;
7) Mac Plus mouse .80 at thrift;
8) Mac HD20 M0135 that hooks to the FD port for 3.83 at thrift;
9) EPSON EQUITY III with plus II XL hardcard in it, and a internal tape
backup unit for 4.04 at thrift;
10) KAYPRO CP/M manual dated Jan 1978 for 1.00 at thrift;
11) KAYPRO II user's guide dated Feb 1983 for 1.00 at thrift;
12) Z81 at thrift for free;
13) Atari Super Pong Console model TV-190 at thrift for free;
14) Mac 128k KB for free;
15) VIC 20 power supply free;
16) Vic20 cartridges- PacMan, Raid on Fort Knox, Doney Kong, Demon Attack
all free at thrift;
17) TRS80 26-3022 Color computer mini disk ext FD unit free;
18) box full of about 6 different apple II cards for free;
19) HP D1182A VGA monitor made in 1988 but works great for .80 at thrift;
20) NEC PC-8201A with printer and amanuals for $10;
21) CRT tube tester model 159 with manual and very old $12 not tested yet
made by Acurate Instrument Co. of Bronk NY no date anywhere;
22) and several ohter items too new to talk about here for now.
That it for now keep computing John
I've recently gotten the necessary hardware and software together to
transfer Records (16, 33, 45, and 78) to CD. As part of this I was digging
through my parents Record collection and found a record that is Moog music.
It was something I was looking for, as it was so unusual that I remember
when my dad brought it home over 20 years ago.
Anyway I was wondering if anyone knows anything about what kind of hardware
was used for this?
Zane
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ok, yet another Q for those of you out there who have run across these.
anyone have a suggestion for where i might come across a ~20mb RLL
drive? 3.5" size, don't have the model #'s on me at the moment although
I recall with the toshiba it was a JVC. seems to me from what I could
pull off the net that these drives seem to die often.
-Eric
What's Moog music?
At 12:21 PM 7/26/98 -0700, Zane H. Healy wrote:
>I've recently gotten the necessary hardware and software together to
>transfer Records (16, 33, 45, and 78) to CD. As part of this I was digging
>through my parents Record collection and found a record that is Moog music.
>It was something I was looking for, as it was so unusual that I remember
>when my dad brought it home over 20 years ago.
>
>Anyway I was wondering if anyone knows anything about what kind of hardware
>was used for this?
>
> Zane
>| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
>| healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
>| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
>+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
>| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
>| and Zane's Computer Museum. |
>| http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |
>
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Ok, this is a repost since the original responder had to back out for
whatever reason...
I have some excess Zenith Z248 equipment to get out of my way and
would prefer a trade of other equipment for
these..
I have two ZDS ZWS 248's, these are the planar units that the
286-12 processor board plugs into. Complete
main units with the planar board, power supply, cpu board, I/O
board HDD/floppy controller (MFM), MDA
video card, drive bay inserts, etc. You need to add drives and it
will take any drive from 360k to 1.44m. It takes
all sorts of MFM hard drives as well and can probably accomodate an
SCSI or ESDI in place of the MFM
controller which will allow larger drive types. 512k on the cpu
card. They have two open 5.25" bays, one has a
filler that can be removed.
There's also another identical unit without a power supply. It's a
case, planar board, drive bay inserts, 2 I/O
boards. Mostly for parts or use to build up with parts you find
elsewhere.
I need $25 plus shipping for ALL THREE (as a package) or will trade
for something that I can use such as
cdroms, hard drives, SIMMs, microchannel adapters,etc, etc, etc....
I would really like to get a couple 2X or
higher SCSI cdrom drives, caddy type or tray load or larger SCSI
hard drives whether full, half, 5.25 or 3.5"...
Drop me a line if interested. I also have two ZDS memory cards that
work on these to bring the 512k up past
1024k that I would like $10 each or trade for. They are not open to
sale/trade until the other units are gone and
the new owner decides they don't want them.
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Russ Blakeman
RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144
Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991
Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com
Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/
ICQ UIN #1714857
AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN"
* Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers*
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Found this on the obsolete computer helpline and thought one or two of
you might be interested in a Model 1. Please contact the author of the
inquiry at the AOL address direct, not me.
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G.R.Sippel <Geosip(a)aol.com>
Indianapolis, IN US - Sunday, July 26, 1998 at 13:17:39
I have a TRS80 Model 1 in very good condition and want to know how
much it might be worth.
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Russ Blakeman
RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144
Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991
Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com
Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/
ICQ UIN #1714857
AOL Instant Messenger "RHBLAKEMAN"
* Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers*
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are there hard drives for laptops that are smaller than the 2.5"
drives? I have a laptop that takes an IDE hdd, but the space is about
3/4 of an inch to small to even fit a 2.5" drive. I vaguely recall
seeing something about 1.8" drives? Am I hallucinating here or does such
a creature exist?
-Eric
