- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Well, I suppose a Statistically Significant Number of folk are attending the VCF II... not, however. (snif..) I consoled myself by putting in my usual apperance at the TRW Ham Swapmeet here in cloudy SoCal.. whereat I picked up two list-related items, viz: 1) A complete set of Tech and Ref manual for the 286-based Compaqs, complete w/disks and pocket refs, etc... for $2. 2) A Jonos Escort portable, running CP/M 3.0. This cute little box came from NASA, and has a Syquest drive alognside the 1/2 height HD.. the Syquest is unfortunately dead, and/or the cartridge is blank. The HD, however is *full* of Stuff, including WordStar, which is how I found out what who made this box, as it has no outside markings other than the model and serial numbers, telling me it's a Model C 2500. It has an RS232 port, and an IEEE 488, a telephone jack, an external video RCA jack, and a many-pin Berg connector marked 'External 8" Subsystem' I haven't had much more time to examine it closely, though it does boot and run with no problems, other than complaining about the B: drive not working. In advance of my doing the usual WebSearch on it.. any comments or info re: this box would be fun to hear. Also I have a lead on a "few" Rockwell AIM 65s; I missed the one by 30 seconds.. it went for $5 and the buyer declined my offer of $20.. damn I *hate* when that happens... the seller and I exchanged phone/e-mail tho, and I will (hopefully) hear about the remaining units next week. [He told me the one I wanted had no ROMs in it... so I'm not completely depressed.] I bought a bunch of other stuff, too, but nothing on-topic. Cheers John

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Apple Questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 29, 19:10, Tony Duell wrote: > Subject: Re: Apple Questions > > Disk][s don't have any setup (apart from internal speed/alignment > > And the read amplifier offset/threshold, R28 on the analogue board. > Yes, I sort of included that in "alignment" -- in the electronic sense. Actually, not all Disk][s seem to have a pot there; and it was some time before I worked out how to set it properly (the Apple tech manuals I had in those days didn't mention it) and I had to wait until I got a Sony manual to figure it out. I remember asking once Motorola for the MC3470 datasheet, and the UK office told me it didn't exist! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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OT: Help in San Jose

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 05:23 PM 9/29/98 -0400, William Donzelli wrote: >Minor off-topic sin occurs here... >I am currently in San Jose, and I need some networking stuff for work: >10baseT transceivers, RJ45 crimping tool set, GMT (telco flag) fuses, >etc.. Where can I get these in a pinch? Geez, in the valley of plenty... you could probably go to the local bagel shop and pick up stuff like that. Try finding parts in the middle of relative nowhere, like Wisconsin. :-) Hmm, come to think of it, I might have to drive an hour to get them, but I'd cover 80 miles, and in the same time you'd be able to get off at the next exit to find the local Fry's... - John

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Apple Questions

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

re: apple drives any apple floppy drive can be used as drive 1 or 2; there is no difference. undisks are daisy chainable and disk ][s plug into a controller card which has two 20pin connections labled drive 1 and 2. the slot assignment was pretty much understood as slot 6 for disk drives. btw. i have several SSCs... david In a message dated 98-09-28 20:03:28 EDT, you write: > Depending on the type of fdd there were definite sequential settings, so > using > an A drive as a B drive and vice-versa was not possible without setting them > > up. Sam undoubtably is busy but he could give you better info on this. > Any extra Super Serial cards ?

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ESDI Cabling

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

As far as I can tell the cables required for a single ESDI drive are the same as for a MFM drive. Is this correct? I discovered I'd not had the drive I've been trying to use terminated late last night, but that didn't make any difference in my problems. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Apple Questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 28, 19:36, Lawrence Walker wrote: > On 28 Sep 98 at 12:35, Marvin wrote: > > This morning, a friend of mine brought over a pickup truck load of Apple > > computers, monitors, printers, and dead disk drives. > > Finally, I haven't checked the drives but are there common problems I > > should look for when I start checking out the drives? > Depending on the type of fdd there were definite sequential settings, > so using an A drive as a B drive and vice-versa was not possible without > setting them up. Disk][s don't have any setup (apart from internal speed/alignment servicing). Whether a drive is Drive 1 or Drive 2 depends solely on which of the two connectors it's plugged in to, on the controller. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Can anyone identify this vax for sale on Ebay?

by pechter＠shell.monmouth.com

Forwarded message: > From: pechter(a)shell.monmouth.com > Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#32203160: DEC MicroVax 3300 Mini Main Frame.L@@K.(pics) > X-Mailer: <smsmtp> > > I saw this item for sale at eBay. > > Any idea what this is -- is it a MicroVax, an Alpha? > > I'd love to bid on a MicroVax... but I'm unsure > since the guy doesn't even have the DEC number on > the box. (Probably picked it up for free...) > > Title of item: DEC MicroVax 3300 Mini Main Frame.L@@K.(pics) > Seller: wizardworkz(a)netscape.net > Starts: 09/24/98 21:40:34 PDT > Ends: 10/01/98 21:40:34 PDT > Price: Currently $157.50 > To bid the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=32203160 > > > Item Description: > > DEC MICROVAX 3300 > - Mini Main Frame - Alpha Server - He says Alpha? > > > They say that a picture is worth a thousand words... > Well, there you are, several pics that I think will explain a little bit anyhow.... I wish I could sit here and tell you all about this monster server > but I can't because I'm no technical genius with servers (As a matter of fact > this thing tends to just SERIOUSLY intimidate me). It came into my possession during the same > commercial real estate purchase that the ALR server in my other auction came in.... BUT,THIS ONE RUNS NOW, AND IS COMPLETELY FUNTIONAL!!!!! > SOME THINGS ABOUT IT THAT I CAN TELL YOU .... > There is information available on this thing in several locations on the web. > It was IN USE when the business moved. > It is VERY heavy. > It is a VERY popular machine amongst hackers due to it's abilities and the fact that it is virtually impossible to hack into "IT"....or so I have read. > It is an extremely stable system which will run UNIX. > If I knew how to set this badboy up I wouldn't even think to sell it- :) > > BUYER PAYS SHIPPING...UPS GROUND. (should be around $60.00) It's VERY > heavy. > NO PERSONAL CHECKS..Money Order or Cashiers Check Only. > Unfortunately because I am not able to set this thing up due to my lack > of knowledge I can't very well guarantee it. Therefore it is being sold AS IS. > Know what you are bidding on and bid appropriately. I have set a reserve on this item > BUT it is low for what the item is. (I'm not crazy,I know this thing sold for quite a > chunk new.) > > > FOR ANY OF YOUR SOFTWARE NEEDS...VISIT OUR NEW SOFTWARE SITE...JUST CLICK THE LINK BELOW. > > > > > > > Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bill and/or Carolyn Pechter | pechter(a)shell.monmouth.com | | Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in | | a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Fw: Who's on Start?

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

>From: "F.J. Ted Douglas" <tdouglas(a)MNSi.Net> >To: "Charles Fox" <foxvideo(a)wincom.net> >Subject: Fw: Who's on Start? >Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:31:08 -0400 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Meg Perry <callusedwarhorse(a)hotmail.com> >To: tamahome(a)tvo.org <tamahome(a)tvo.org>; not(a)idirect.com <not(a)idirect.com>; >maerionne(a)hotmail.com <maerionne(a)hotmail.com> >Cc: tdouglas(a)MNSi.Net <tdouglas(a)MNSi.Net> >Date: September 28, 1998 8:30 AM >Subject: Who's on Start? > > >> >> >> >>> Costello: Hey, Abbott! >>> Abbott: Yes, Lou? >>> >>> Costello: I just got my first computer. >>> Abbott: That's great, Lou. What did you get? >>> >>> Costello: A Pentium II-266, with 40 Megs of RAM, a 2.1 Gig hard drive, >>> and a 24X CD-ROM. >>> Abbott: That's terrific, Lou. >>> >>> Costello: But I don't know what any of it means! >>> Abbott: You will in time. >>> >>> Costello: That's exactly why I'm here to see you. >>> Abbott: Oh? >>> >>> Costello: I heard that you're a real computer expert. >>> Abbott: Well, I don't know . . . >>> >>> Costello: Yes-sir-ee. You know your stuff. And you're going to train >>me. >>> Abbott: Really? >>> >>> Costello: Uh huh. And I am here for my first lesson. >>> Abbott: O.K. Lou. What do want to know? >>> >>> Costello: I am having no problem turning it on, but I heard that you >>should >>> be very careful how you turn it off. >>> Abbott: That's true. >>> >>> Costello: So, here I am working on my new computer and I want to turn >>> it off. What do I do? >>> Abbott: Well, first you press the Start button, and then . . . >>> >>> Costello: No, I told you I want to turn it off. >>> Abbott: I know, you press the Start button . . . >>> >>> Costello: Wait a second. I want to turn it Off. I know how to start >>it. >>> So tell me what to do. >>> Abbott: I did. >>> >>> Costello: When? >>> Abbott: When I told you to press the Start button. >>> >>> Costello: Why should I press the Start button? >>> Abbott: To shut off the computer. >>> >>> Costello: I press Start to stop? >>> Abbott: Well, Start doesn't actually stop the computer. >>> >>> Costello: I knew it! So what do I press? >>> Abbott: Start. >>> >>> Costello: Start what? >>> Abbott: Start button. >>> >>> Costello: Start button to do what? >>> Abbott: Shut down. >>> >>> Costello: You don't have to get rude! >>> Abbott: No, no, no! That's not what I meant. >>> >>> Costello: Then say what you mean. >>> Abbott: To shut down the computer, press . . . >>> >>> Costello: Don't say, "Start!" >>> Abbott: Then what do you want me to say? >>> >>> Costello: Look, if I want to turn off the computer, I am willing to >>press >>> the Stop button, the End button and Cease and Desist >>button, >>> but no one in their right mind presses the Start to Stop. >>> Abbott: But that's what you do. >>> >>> Costello: And you probably Go at Stop signs, and Stop at green lights. >>> Abbott: Don't be ridiculous. >>> >>> Costello: I'm being ridiculous? Well, I think it's about time we >>started >>> this conversation. >>> Abbott: What are you talking about? >>> >>> Costello: I am starting this conversation right now. Good-bye. >> >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > >

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Texas Instruments TI-99/4A

by oajones＠bright.net

Recently I added a Texas Instruments TI-99/4A to my collection. Since then I also bought one in a off white or beige case (I'm not sure what you would call the color). Was the non-metal case version of the TI-99/4A a later model? I also need to know if anyone has a schematic for both of these models? --Alan -- Computing since: 1982, VIC-20, CoCo, PC, CP/M Military Computers: COMTRAN 10, Nida 250 Amateur Radio since: 1971, WN8JEF, KA6EXR, N8BGR, AA4ZI BASIC, dBASE, Assembly, C++ http://www.bright.net/~oajones

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More RSX-11M and ESDI

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Question: How required are front panel connections for drives? The manual for my WQESD controller states "if required a front panel can be connected". Background: I'm still working on the problems I described in my "ESDI, MSCP, RSX11M, TK50's, etc." message yesterday. I got adventurous with the RQDX3, and tried the CSR settings listed for the RQDX2 controller and it worked. I replaced the Quad-Height WQESD ESDI Controller with the RQDX3 and a Continuity card, booted from tape, "BAD'd" the disk, and then "BRU'd" part of a tape to the disk. Unfortunatly it was to small a disk to hold the entire tape, but it tells me what I'm doing is right. I also discovered that the Unrecoverable error -65 that "BAD" has been giving me is apparently telling me that the device is either offline or unavailable. I got the same error when I initially tried the procedure with the RQDX3 and a RD52, but then discovered that I didn't have the 34-pin cable plugged in all the way. I'm sure the ESDI drive and controller are a good combination, and work, as I was able to use the onboard programs to format and test the drive. It looks to me like my problem is that as far as the software or hardware is concerned that the drive isn't online. On that note, I'll probably give the Emulex QD21 controller I've got a try tomorrow night since I've got a front panel thing for it. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Apple Questions

by kroma＠worldnet.att.net

>First, I noticed on the Apple ][e computers there were two slightly >different keyboards. On a few, the icon on the Apple key was larger that >that on the rest of the computers. Is this one way to identify early Apple >][e computers, or is there any significance to it? > Were the keys a different color. //e's made in 1983 and early 1984 looked different then later models. There is no significant differences between the two. There is also the Enhanced //e, which came later. It had a slightly different character set and used the 65C02 cpu instead of the 6502, among other things. -- Kirk

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Apple Questions

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 28, 14:58, D. Peschel wrote: > Marvin wrote: > > Finally, I haven't checked the drives but are there common problems I > > should look for when I start checking out the drives? > > Make sure the cables are aligned, otherwise you will fry a diode (it > could beanother component -- I think it's a rectifier). This applies > to the Disk ][ -- I don't know about other drives. More likely you'll let the magic white smoke out of the 74LS125. It used to happen regularly to drives that staff borrowed over a weekend. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Apple Questions

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

> >> First, I noticed on the Apple ][e computers there were two slightly >> different keyboards. On a few, the icon on the Apple key was larger that >> that on the rest of the computers. Is this one way to identify early Apple What about the little 'enhanced' LED? > >According to the technical manual, the easiest way to tell the original >//e from the enhanced //e is to power it up with a monitor connected > >An original //e displays 'Apple ][' while an enchanced one display >'Apple //e'. There is also an extended keybaord versions with a built-in >numeric keypad, but spotting that one is trivial. > >There is no mention in this manual of a difference in the 'Apple' key. > >> Finally, I haven't checked the drives but are there common problems I should >> look for when I start checking out the drives? > > >Mechanical problems. I've never had an electronic failure on a Disk ][ >and I don't see why the //e drives would be any different. > >Mostly : Head alighment (Apple's trick of missing out the track0 sensor >saved a few parts but is hard on the positioner), drive belt (on >belt-driven drives, like the Disk ][, dirty heads. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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BBS Gateway

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>Is there an existing BBS system that provides a BBS<==>Internet mail >gateway? So that a BBS user could, say, subscribe to a mailing list like >this one? Caesarville Online, my BBS, supports this (at least it will, as soon as I get internet email in a couple of weeks). I'm running a NovaServer BBS on a Mac IIsi 17/700. >Does such a system exist already? Is the source available? For what >platforms? NovaServer, by Resnova, has been discontinued unfortunately (read all about it at <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/novaserver.html>). It's currently unclear as to who owns it, but the source code is most definately not available - yet. NovaServer runs only on Macintosh. Custom client software is available for Mac and Windows. Anybody can log on using Ripterm or terminal emulation. HTML isn't supported in terminal emulation, but email and newsgroups are. Tom Owad -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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VCF Review

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Hi People. I don't have a whole lot of time right now to re-cap VCF 2.0 right now (there's still post-event work to be done) but last week I promised to post the URL to the site that contains all the data on the Ray Holt microprocessor chipset and didn't. Sorry about that, but I was running around like mad trying to get things done and forgot. Anyway, go to http://www.microcomputerhistory.com and find a ton of information about this. You can download Ray's original article written about the set in around 1971 (but which the gubment refused to clear for publication) that describes the architecture and programming. It's in Word 8.0 format because it includes graphics. I apologize for this but we're working on a straight ASCII version so please be patient. You'll also be able to view the chip masks on line, and there are links to a bunch of resources. Ray was interviewed by several press organizations (ZDTV, Public Radio International to name a few) so if you keep your eyes open you might see these interviews. ZDTV will be showing clips from VCF 2.0 in the next few weeks as will CNET. I'll try to find out the actual schedule when they will run. Also, "Beyond Computers" on PRI will be airing a segment in the next few weeks but it will be available as streaming audio off the web. If the number of interviews Jim Willing was given is any indication, he'll soon become the spokesman for the nerd generation. You'll probably see him on both CNET and ZDTV as well as in print and on radio. Let's hope all this fame doesn't go to this head :) Be back later with some additional post-event notes. It was a blast! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 09/21/98]

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Tandon Laptop

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I got a couple of Tandon laptops, named 'NB/386sx'. Anyone have any experience with these? Does anyone know if they need a working CMOS battery to boot off the AC adaptor? The AC adaptor has a weird PS/2-like connector, and the laptop doesn't really turn on-the light just blinks... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Mystery board

by pb0aia＠iaehv.nl

Here's a nice puzzle for you. A friend just gave me an old computer board that I have never seen before. It seems to be a SCT-100 and it is from 1978. It is connected to a parallel keyboard and mounted in a home made cabinet. It has a Mostek processor. There are 7 2102's on it. It looks like it is a S-100 board. It even has a voltage regulator on a heat sink. I don't know wether this is a computer or a terminal. I don't see any obvious connections for a storage device, but that may not have been there in this design. I put up a few pictures at http://vaxarchive.ml.org/compmus/kees/watisdit.html Does anybody know what it is? Kees -- Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - pb0aia at amsat dot org Sysadmin and DEC PDP/VAX preservationist - http://vaxarchive.ml.org Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered

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MicroChess for the KIM-1

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

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VCF Update (was Re: Swapmeet finds)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:31:33 -0500 (CDT) Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> writes: >an HP 91 and the only calculator I've really ever desired, the Sharp >EL-8. Oooooh, you lucky, lucky dog! I had an EL-8, which was destroyed in the earthquake in L.A. a few years ago. Is the bottom case half black or grey-blue color? Mine was black. Jeff > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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by roblwill＠usaor.net

I want to ask a question. I bought the same CoCo (I) at a hamfest for $5, and it worked great, and came with joysticks, and BASIC books. Is this computer actually worth $40? If so then I REALLY got a good deal. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: oajones <oajones(a)bright.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: FS: TRS-80 Color Computer 4K (C) 1980 > Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 5:21 AM > > I have for sale a TRS-80 Color Computer with 4k of memory (Catalog > #26-3001). This is the first version of the Color Computer. It is in > original condition and works great. I already have one in my collection > so I will let this one go. The asking price is $40 plus shipping and > handling. If anyone is interested please send me email. > > --Alan > -- > Computing since: 1982, VIC-20, CoCo, PC, CP/M > Military Computers: COMTRAN 10, Nida 250 > Amateur Radio since: 1971, WN8JEF, KA6EXR, N8BGR, AA4ZI > BASIC, dBASE, Assembly, C++ > http://www.bright.net/~oajones

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BBS Gateway

by aaron＠wfi-inc.com

Uh-oh, 4:00am inspiration. I just got out of bed to ask about this: Is there an existing BBS system that provides a BBS<==>Internet mail gateway? So that a BBS user could, say, subscribe to a mailing list like this one? The reason I ask is that I tried to get a shell account with a local ISP a few months ago so I could use internet services on my Atari 1200XL. None of the local providers offered that service at all, and seemed shocked that someone was even asking for one. But a shell prompt doesn't exactly have the romance of a classic BBS and I am now set on writing one that can do internet mail and browse text html docs. Even more ambitious would be the ability to http/ftp binaries using xmodem/etc. But first, your input would be appreciated: Does such a system exist already? Is the source available? For what platforms? Is there anyone who would be interested in using such a product/service? I guess what I'm asking is if there are others who would like to log on to a "classic" BBS using a "classic" computer but still have access to the wealth of information and software on the internet... Any thoughts on platform/environment? Language? My first impulse is Linux, written in C. But I also do Windows, and some other languages too. Anyone want to collaborate on something like this? My time is rarely my own, so this would take me a long, long time to do myself. But it seems like it'd be an interesting project, so I don't mind at all. Thanks for listening to a groggy man's ranting. I'm going back to bed now...

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Email address changes

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< For you guys that are worried because you use Earthlink or Hotamil all < can say is to raise hell with them for permitting SPAMMING or else chang < your ISP. Earthlink is actually one that has fought against fradulent spamming. Most of the earthlink addresses I've gotten spam from didn't originate from them but were fraudulent addresses. For filter purposes I used earthlink is they were most common. Hotmail has been less a problem so I have a few specific filters and can generally get mail from there YET. < I'm in Orlando Florida. There's no significant damage here. LOTs of < rain though. Glad to hear your ok but that hurricane is still dangerous. Allison

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Email address changes

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

> I hope you don't send me any mail or post any messages from your >earthlink address. I've gotten tons of SPAM from earthlink and they're a >permanent part of my SPAM filters now. I find this all rather disturbing. What am I supposed to do if I want to get in contact with one of you guys who is blocking email from earthlink? Surely not use Hotmail or my AOL account! Tom Owad -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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by oajones＠bright.net

I have for sale a TRS-80 Color Computer with 4k of memory (Catalog #26-3001). This is the first version of the Color Computer. It is in original condition and works great. I already have one in my collection so I will let this one go. The asking price is $40 plus shipping and handling. If anyone is interested please send me email. --Alan -- Computing since: 1982, VIC-20, CoCo, PC, CP/M Military Computers: COMTRAN 10, Nida 250 Amateur Radio since: 1971, WN8JEF, KA6EXR, N8BGR, AA4ZI BASIC, dBASE, Assembly, C++ http://www.bright.net/~oajones

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html in e-mail / NeXT stuff

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

I don't suppose exchange has any sort of built-in SMTP autoresponder (or anyone know of an autoresponder address anywhere?) - be nice to be able to send emails out to an SMTP-only site and get a reply back just so's I can check that I *don't* have any stupid formatting in my outgoing mail... it bugs the hell out of me that I'm forced to use exchange here at work; I'd rather not use all the 'extensions' that exchange gives you - all of them being unnecessary - but the software's very good at not making it clear what a sent message is going to look like at the other end of the wire... (give me standard SMTP and uuencode any day! :) (apologies in advance if this comes out with strange indentation, formatting and useless attachments... at least I don't think I'll have squeezed any HTML in there... :*) oh well, rant mode off... sorry for the off-topic!! Jules >

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VCF Update (was Re: Swapmeet finds)

by mbg＠world.std.com

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ESDI, MSCP, RSX11M, TK50's, etc.

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

OK, I've been getting adventurous today. I've been digging through a bunch of my parts and tapes. I discovered that I've got two ESDI controllers, instead of the one that I knew about, one is a Emulex QD21 which I found the manual online for, the other a "Webster WQESD" which I have the manual for. Figured out how to get both to work, and verified that at least one of the three 150Mb ESDI drives I've got work. I decided to go with the WQESD controller since the directions are easier to follow (the ASCII files are a bit messy on the QD21). Plus the WQESD controller looks to be the better of the two controllers. My configuration is as follows for reference BA123 Cabinet M8192-YB {11/73} M8067-LF {RAM} M8043 {DLV11J, used for console} Dilog DQ606 {floppy controller, boot ROMs} CSR=17772150 Webster WQESD {Quad-Height, boot ROMs turned off} CSR=17760334 M7504 M7546 {TK50 controller} NOTE: The DQ606 and WQESD both had the same CSR initially The drive is a CDC, and I identified all three drives as 150Mb drives when I got them, but for the life of me I can't find any kind of ID on it at the moment. It was formated on the WQESD controller. Next I decided to see about getting RSX11M onto the drive. So I started looking through my media, including for some reason my TK50's. Based on the labeling they are backups of DU disks, so the system that I got with V4.3 must have had DU disks at one point, despite the fact it was running on a single RL02 when I got it. I booted off one of my bootable TK50's, giving the RSX equivalent of Standalone Backup the proper CSR for the WQESD controller, and pulled out the manuals to try to figure out what I'm doing. Unfortunatly when I try to "BAD" the disk I get the following: BAD>du0:/list BAD -- DU0: Uncoverable error -65. BAD> And a "BRU" in the following: BRU>/ini From: mu0: To: du0: BRU - Starting Tape 1 MUA0: BRU -- *FATAL* -- Home block write error I/O error code -65 BRU> According to the Utilities manual error -65 needs to be looked up in the "IAS/RSX-11 I/O Operations Reference Manual", which I'm not sure if or where I've got. The manual for the WQESD mentions that non-DEC drives must be compatible with those listed below: *RX50 *RD51 *RD52 *RC25 *RA60 *RA80 *RA81 So does this mean that it needs to look like one of these drives for the OS to like it? If so, I guess that explains the above error. In order to test this theory, I was threatening to replace the ESDI controller and drive with a RQDX3 and RD52, however, I don't seem to have a documentation for the RQDX3, just the 1 & 2. Are the 11 jumpers at the bottom of the board for setting the CSR, and are they the same as on a RQDX2? They appear to be. I realize that using the DQ606 and DLV11J in the place of a proper board, such as a MXV11, to boot off of is far from ideal, unfortunalty it's currently the best solution I've got. I'd thought of trying to use the PDP-11/23+ CPU I've got, but discovered it doesn't support TMSCP tape drives as a boot device, where the DQ606 does. Somehow I don't really feel like trying to type in the bootstrap for a TK50 if I can help it (yes, I'm being lazy). Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions on this mess? Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Need info on a DECUS tape #VS0108TB

by cfandt＠servtech.com

Hey gang! I have a TK50 tape from DECUS labeled "The DECUS VMS Startup Set" with the part number VS0108TB. It came with the uVAXII I recently got. Title sounds quite intriguing as I will later be bringing up that machine and am a novice at DEC goodies so far. I cannot find, by searching, anything about it on the DECUS software site. Nor can I find anything by searching newsgroups or the web under either the description or the part number. Anybody have any info on this from either their own tape library or old archived DECUS S/W catalog listings? Thanks for the help. --Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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Texas Instruments TI-99/4A

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Recently I added a Texas Instruments TI-99/4A to my collection. Since < >then I also bought one in a off white or beige case (I'm not sure what < >you would call the color). Was the non-metal case version of the < >TI-99/4A a later model? I also need to know if anyone has a schematic < >for both of these models? The sequance was the TI99/4 (chicklet keys), TI99/4a enhanced display and real keyboard and the beige TI99/4a revised roms. < The silver and black model is the original one. The beige, all plastic < case is the later model. IIRC the later model has circuitry which preve < it from running third party cartridges. It was not a hardware change that I know of and I have several of the black and later beige units. It is a firmware difference. Allison

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Texas Instruments TI-99/4A

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Recently I added a Texas Instruments TI-99/4A to my collection. Since < then I also bought one in a off white or beige case (I'm not sure what < you would call the color). Was the non-metal case version of the < TI-99/4A a later model? I also need to know if anyone has a schematic < for both of these models? The beige was a later model and is the same circuit as far as I know though the roms are a bit different. The beige will not play some non TI games that the black/metal trim one would. There is an active TI99 list. I not have the Listserv address beyond the ti99(a)theriver.com (there is a different address to subscribe). Allison

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Anybody got a spare NCR5380-based SCSI controller?

by jruschme＠exit109.com

Hi! (I think this is old enough hardware to be on topic.) In my off hours, I'm trying to put together a driver for NCR53C80-based SCSI controllers for it i386 port of NetBSD. (For those who know NetBSD, I'm doing some patches to the MI 5380 driver and writing an i386 MD front end.) I have it working with the very dumb Chinon controller (non-bootable, no IRQ- polled only), but was trying to set up a test box with a card capable of being interrupt driven and (ultimately) bootable. Unfortunately, my ancient SUMO SCSI-AT seems to have given up the ghost as it will no longer detect any connected drives and seems to actively screw up the bootting of floppies from another card. So, I was wondering if one of you might be able to loan (or cheaply sell) me a spare NCR53C80-based SCSI card. I guess I would ideally be looking for another SUMO or similar card. My second choice would be a Trantor T130 with boot ROM. I am, however, open to other suggestions. Thanks... <<<john>>>

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Monitor repair

by cdrmool＠interlog.com

Would someone be kind enough to direct me to a good FAQ or URL for diagnosing/repairing monitors? There has been some excellent information passed around on this list since I've subscribed but I need something a bit more basic. For example, descriptions of different types of problems (flickering, only 2 colours) and the possible causes and interventions. I realize that its not quite as simple as I'd like it to be but I have to start somewhere. I keep finding SVGA monitors that need some work and would like to get them up and running. TIA Colan

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Compaq correction

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I'm not sure if they're the same, or not, but on Compaq's website, the Portable III, and the Portable 386 were listed as two different computers. I need the parts for the Portable 386. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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html in e-mail / NeXT stuff

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 26, 12:06, John R. Keys, Jr. wrote: > Subject: RE: html in e-mail / NeXT stuff > > [ Attachment (multipart/alternative): 4834 bytes ] And another flavour of *!&* :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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html in e-mail / NeXT stuff

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 26, 20:05, Thomas Pfaff wrote: > Subject: Re: html in e-mail / NeXT stuff > > [ Attachment (text/enriched): 1440 bytes > Character set: us-ascii > Encoded with "quoted-printable" ] > Yep I agree. HTML is annoying even on platforms that support it as an > internal functionality. > It _really_ doesn't make much sense in a group that discusses 10 year old > and older computer junk. But neither does RTF :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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html in e-mail / NeXT stuff

by thomas100＠home.com

A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1413 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/attachments/19980926/222621a8/at…

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Govt (DOD) computer (&other stuff) sales

by wpe101＠banet.net

The U.S. Govt lists stuff for sale at the following site: www.drms.dla.mil Will

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Compaq correction

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

The portable III was a 286, otherwise identical though. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Willgruber <roblwill(a)usaor.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, 27 September 1998 10:44 Subject: Compaq correction >I'm not sure if they're the same, or not, but on Compaq's website, the >Portable III, and the Portable 386 were listed as two different computers. >I need the parts for the Portable 386. >-- > -Jason >(roblwill(a)usaor.net) > ICQ#-1730318

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WTB: Compaq Portable III stuff

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Hi! I have a Compaq Portable III that Id like to get going a bit better than it is now. Here's what I need for it: RAM - It uses special RAM that is about as long as a 72-pin chip, bit is only about 1/2" high, and doesn't have the notch in the middle. I currently have 2 MB, but would like to get it up to the max (16 MB?) Modem (I think that's what the slot's for) - There's a little knock-out under the disk drives, and a big open space inside the case, and a connector. That's really all I can say about that. Manual - Any have a manual that they'd want to get rid of (or photocopy)? I've checked the date on this thing (stamped on the inside of the back cover), and It's dated 1988, so it just makes it for the list. ThAnX again, -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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Memory needed (slightly OT)

by roblwill＠usaor.net

I have the URL, and the info to modify the SIMMS. I just need to get the SIMMS. True parity seems to be awfully hard to find anymore. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > HI everybody! > > But, you can use standard Fast Page Mode (FPM) parity 72pin simms > in those PS/2 series and that L40SX. After modding the presence > lines to proper settings as shown in that webpage: > > I have number of machines that requires this mods to ram > sticks so they will work in them and really save a brundle. I pay > about $25 CDN a stick for generic 4mb 70ns types with this specs. > And that are from my local computer reseller. > > http://members.aol.com/mcapage0/mcaindex.htm > > Jason D. > >

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Misc. for sale

by william＠ans.net

I am starting to prune out a lot of stuff from my pile. Best offer, reasonable or silly, for the following: (1) TRS-80 CoCo, 4K. I think the video is bad, as it spews out junk video to my TV. The CPU seems to be doing something, as I can make out a some characters on the screen. The reset button also does something. I assume >from the "Channel 3-4" switch, the thing has a modulator inside, and could be the problem. I have better things to fix. (1) Apple Parallel Printer card. Probably out of a ][ or some such thing. Untested. (1) Norden PDP-11/M control panel. This is a little handheld thingie that essentially allows a soldier/sailor/etc. to do very basic functions (stop, reset, etc.) and watch for bus and parity errors (LEDs). For the person that _thought_ they had every PDP-11 part ever made. (1) HardCard EZ, and two Conner drives. The HardCard has a big "127" printed on the side (capacity?). No idea if it is good - same with the two "normal" disks (types 2 and 17, for you IDE fans out there). (1) set RSX-11/M Programmers Manuals, Volumes 4A and 4B. These look reasonably complete. No, I do not have the other volumes. Most of this stuff is headed toward the jaws of my pliers, so feel free to offer as little as you want. Just remember you pay shipping from Carmel, NY (or thereabouts). William Donzelli william(a)ans.net

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html in e-mail

by cdrmool＠interlog.com

As a Pine user, I don't much like html ladden messages. I do however have a small dos program called "htmlstrip" that cleans up all the junk. I find it handy for mail and downloaded files off of web sites that are html. If anyone wants it I'll pass it on. Otherwise its fairly easy to find via a search engine. Colan

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Navy fights, & Linux posts sorry 'bout HTML

by wpe101＠banet.net

My deepest apologies.. I only meant to post the url's, NOT all the (expliative deleted) HTML stuff... Will

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Memory needed (slightly OT)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-09-26 12:08:13 EDT, you write: > Okay, this isn't quite classic, yet, but This is one of the few places that > I know of where someone could help me. > > I have a PS/2 L40sx (laptop) that I need RAM for. I need either the > special RAM made for this computer, or standard 4 meg IBM True Parity > SIMMS. hey, that's a pre-thinkpad thinkpad! lol you could try asking in comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware but everyone wants inflated prices for parity (ps2) memory. there's a place in north carolina that sells old ibm stuff. i betcha they'd have what you are looking for. tekserve 919.557.6242

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Navy fights new hack method|sec info see url

by wpe101＠banet.net

For those who already know about this, or are uninterested, my apologies.. Will http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C26833%2C00.html?dd.ne.htmldisp.hl.ne

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Navy fights new hack method|sec info see url

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-09-26 12:06:11 EDT, you write: > Don't sent HTML here! HTML belongs on web pages, not email! > ------- html email sucks! speaking of such, i subscribe to a windont95 newsletter called lockergnome and the writer insists on sending out the letter in html format. at least a weekly digest still gets sent in plain text format. i guess this idiot assumes that EVERYONE run ms' worst using internet exploder 4. but then again, that's the mindset that bill gates wants everyone to have, right?

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Navy fights new hack method|sec info see url

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< <a href=3D"/Radio/Index/0,55,,00.html?st.ne.nav.rad.idx">CNET Radio</a><big> </big> < <a href=3D"/Perspectives/Index/0,175,,00.html?st.ne.nav.pers.idx">Perspectives</a><big> </big> < <a href=3D"/Newsmakers/index.html?st.ne.nav.nmkr.idx">Newsmakers</a><big> </big> Please post only clear text... not everyone can read/display .html. Allison

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Memory needed (slightly OT)

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Okay, this isn't quite classic, yet, but This is one of the few places that I know of where someone could help me. I have a PS/2 L40sx (laptop) that I need RAM for. I need either the special RAM made for this computer, or standard 4 meg IBM True Parity SIMMS. ThAnX, -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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Where to find Vax stuff in Mass.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< > I live a fair distance away from Megan, Allison and Eli's but I do hav < > VAX 11/750, TU80 and two RA81's available to fetch. I'm in Western NY < < For anyone that cares, I have a set of VAX-11/750 boards that I need to < get rid of. They might be handy as a set of spares. Included is the har < to find DEC-use-only HDM (Hardware Diagnostic Module, I think. Allison?) The HDM is scarce. A 750 is a neat machine but I don't have space for it. < No, the LINC-8, PDP-8/s, PDP-8/e, and KS-10 (in a week or so, that is) a < NOT going! An 8e or 8a with programmer panel is on my wish list. What I'd like would have 8k of core and EMA and a serial card other wise minimal config. I'd like to do some hacking like putting a IDE or some such drive on it. Allison

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Motorola UDS Modem

by blakeman＠creative-net.net

Spoken for now, thanks for the inquiries.

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Newton modem

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

OK, you can have it. How would you like to pay? > >Yes I would, but I went to a thrift store and they didn't have any. >--Chuck > >At 04:15 PM 9/25/98 -0700, you wrote: >> >>This isn't really classic, but since the Newton is out of production, >>I thought someone might be interested in a shrinkwrapped modem for >>the Newton for $8 at a thrift store. I think it might get hard to get >>one from Apple... >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Timex Sinclair 2068

by oajones＠bright.net

I have a Timex Sinclair 2068 that needs a good home. The computer is in very good condition. I don't have any documentation for it. If you are interested please email me. I'm asking $40 which also includes shipping costs. --Alan -- Computing since: 1982, VIC-20, CoCo, PC, CP/M Military Computers: COMTRAN 10, Nida 250 Amateur Radio since: 1971, WN8JEF, KA6EXR, N8BGR, AA4ZI BASIC, dBASE, Assembly, C++ http://www.bright.net/~oajones

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Timex Sinclair 2068

by oajones＠bright.net

Can someone tell me what voltage and current are used for the power supply on the Timex Sinclair 2068? Also what is the tip polarity? --Alan -- Computing since: 1982, VIC-20, CoCo, PC, CP/M Military Computers: COMTRAN 10, Nida 250 Amateur Radio since: 1971, WN8JEF, KA6EXR, N8BGR, AA4ZI BASIC, dBASE, Assembly, C++ http://www.bright.net/~oajones

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Dilog DQ614 and DQ615

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

I'm searching for any info on the following two Q-Bus controller boards: Dilog DQ614 rev. N RL01/02 Emulation using MFM disks Dilog DQ615 rev. B RK06/07 Emulation using MFM disks I was able to find a procedure using DejaNews for setting up a DQ614K, it looks like I can't do much of anything without a floppy, is there any way to get one still, and is it really needed? I'm also trying to figure out exactly what these boards will accept for drives. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Where to find Vax stuff in Mass.

by mbg＠world.std.com

(and I'm just down the road from Allison, also in Framingham)... You could try Eli's (formerly Eli Heffron) in cambridge... They've had lots of dec stuff in the past, and in fact I've gotten some of my stuff (a BA23) from them... They have LOTS of 'junk'... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Quantum Q540 as a RD52

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:44:40 -0400 Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)servtech.com> writes: >number. It is a Vertex Peripherals model V185 hung off a 3rd-party >controller designated as "UDC11". What can anybody tell me about that >Vertex product? Equivalent RD- number? Durability? Etc.? I remember the V-185 well. They were used by 3Com in their 3server70, and 3Server3 line of file servers. They were made by Vertex, who later became a division of Priam. They are tough, reliable drives, as long as they work. When they break, they tend to totally self-destruct. They are also RLL-Rated, one of the few 'stock' drives (that I know of) that didn't require a design change for this capability. I have no idea what the RD- designation would be, but I can tell you it's geometry is 1166cyl x 7h x 17s for mfm or 28spt for RLL. They're good drives. They're also rather scarce. Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Email address changes

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< > I hope you don't send me any mail or post any messages from your < >earthlink address. I've gotten tons of SPAM from earthlink and they're < >permanent part of my SPAM filters now. < < I find this all rather disturbing. What am I supposed to do if I want t < get in contact with one of you guys who is blocking email from earthlink < Surely not use Hotmail or my AOL account! Unfortunatly the spammers are address spoofing earthlink and earthlink customers suffer. It was a matter of practical necessity as most of the spammer were faking the earthink address and there were far to many different addresses of the spammers... simplest path. Allison

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Newton modem

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

This isn't really classic, but since the Newton is out of production, I thought someone might be interested in a shrinkwrapped modem for the Newton for $8 at a thrift store. I think it might get hard to get one from Apple... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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More monitor Repair

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

If it is something shutting down, could be a paperclip or something. > >> >> While we're on monitor repair: >> I picked up an IBM PS/1 SVGA which when turned on flashes a normal >> screen for less than a second, which collapses and then displays a slowly >> degrading squiggly vertical line which gradually shortens and blanks. > >A MDA monitor does something like that on switch-off, but then that CRT >has a rediculously long persistance phosphor... > >Do just check that it's not the main PSU shutting down (and leaving the >monitor to run on the charge in some of the caps). Does the power-on lamp >remain on, for example (if there is one). What about the CRT heater? > >My guess is that the horizontal output stage is shutting down (but the >EHT is staying up for some reason). Assuming that they are separate, I'd >start by looking at the horizontal driver and output stages, their >operating voltages, etc > >Alas I don't have schematics for any IBM monitor apart from the first 3 >(5151, 5153, 5154). > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Does anyone have a list of KL10 console commands?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Was it like the KS10 console? Or more like the Large-VAX console? -------

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Email address changes

by workapulo＠my-dejanews.com

Just wanted to let people know that I'm trimming the number of email addresses I use down a bit.

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Email address changes

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< apulo1(a)earthlink.net < and < workapulo(a)my-dejanews.com < < I dont use the dejanews account much, mostly just to read my popmail (fr that;s a shame as I had to out earthlink.com in my spam filter due to the large number of spam using that address. Allison

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Don Tarbell's computer

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi Sam and all, At 11:34 AM 9/9/98 -0700, you wrote: > >If you're not aware of this, Don Tarbell, of the famous Tarbell Cassette >standard, died earlier this year. Someone posted about this on the list >around the time he passed on. > I called Don about 18 months ago asking if he could give me some information on his earlier homebrew computers. I know he started in the mid 1960's with a RTL (resistor transistor logic) system. He didn't know where to locate any at that time. I also said I'd be interested in other earlier computer literature. I knew a little about his cassette interface from BYTE ads. He and his wife Brenda took my mumber. Well this week she called, She had taken care of most things and was moving this Sat. She had a small box of literature that I could pick up if I wanted it. I said Sure! The box has several of the Micro 8 newsletters, some IMSAI stuff, some 1977 Bytes, source code listings for Processor Tech Basic-5 and Software package No. 1, +... I was happy to have found it. Her last trash pickup would have been the next day. Why I'm writing is thrown out at the street was his (their) last homebrew computer, "PUTER". Brenda said I was welcome to it. She had spent many hours soldering the boards, they had dropped all work on it when the Altair came out. I would like to get it to do at least something. The problem which makes it (maybe too) difficult is that ALL documentation is lost. Many wires are broken. I have 3 units: 1. the rack "mainframe" which include 16 address lights, 8 data switches, 4 "file address" switches + about 10 others. The main power supply is 5V, 15 Amp. The backplane has space for 16 cards. There are 8. 2. A spare? cardcage with 7 misc I/O cards? The edge connectors are wired partially, but it looks like a card storage unit. 3. A "GA" logo core memory card, 15 x17 inches (38x43cm). Not sure if it was connected. Brenda said Don collected all types of computer surplus for his projects. I left behind a hard disk unit in a rack in very poor condition. The single platter had been exposed for over 10 years... Most of the cards are Douglas Electronics 11DE5. (They are in San Leandro in N. Ca. and still sell these. You can see their line at www.douglas.com. they also sell DEC, S-100 and other form cards at attractive prices, in my opinion, if anyone needs them.) The cards 11DE5 hold up to 36 16 pin dips. They are soldered together with vari-colored telephone wire. (AWG 24, about 0.5mm). Am example of what I have is a serial card (from the DB-25S) which contains 20 IC's. 3-7401 2-7402 2-7404 1-7421 1-7427 1-7430 1-7442 2-7474 2-7496 5 bit shift reg. 1-74163 1-74180 parity gen. 2-9602 (T. and R clocks) 1-8273 10 bit shift register. This was in the "spare" cardcage. Have not traced this board circuit or any other yet! May start with a simple one with only 8 IC's. Have not recognized any computer function yet, such as a ALU, address latch, etc. Should I start by finding the data and address busses on the backplanes? Or does this sound like an impossibly long task??? Brenda said this system was used to start development on a cassette system before S-100 came along. It is really amazing that he interfaced a hard disk to it and wrote an operating system for it. She said one output devicer was an X-Y recorder. If anyone has any of the Amateur Computer Society issues that have any descriptions, I would be very interested. -Dave

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Monitor repair

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Here's one that has me going... Gateway2000 crystal scan (1572 FS): Problem: display from cold start is 75% of normal size, warms up to normal after about 10 minutes. Color and aspect ratio excellent as is focus even in shrunken form. Chill spray on components cannot cause the display to shrink. Any clues on this one? I have no prints... As tubes go this one is fairly nice. Allison

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Monitor repair

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Speaking of monitor repairs, does anyone know how to get rid of that annoying whistling that some of the older monitors have? I have an old Magnavox that is a GREAT monitor (CGA/Herc/Composite, color/green w/ built-in sound), but it whistles like a tea kettle (O.K., that's a bit exaggerated, but it's pretty bad). I've been told to put glue on the flyback, but where? Also, speaking about that monitor, there's two sockets on the back: TTL RGB Lin RGB I have the TTL RGB cable, which will work with CGA (standard 9-pin). I don't have the Lin RGB cable, and the connector for it is a 6 pin DIN jack (the one for the TTL RGB is also an DIN connector - 8-pin). What is the Lin RGB for, and what is the pinout for it? I got the monitor used for two bucks, so I don't have a manual. ThAnX, -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318

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Where to find Vax stuff in Mass.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Sounds like a dumb question and probably is. I have moved from Chicago < to a small town in < Massachussetts (Randolph). Is there a "junkyard" where one can find Va < stuff? There maybe but I don't know of one. I'm down the road in Framingham. Being as eastern MA used to be called the "greater Maynard area" by DEC people (Digits) there should be more than I see around. They arent scarce either. Colleges are a good place to look. Allison

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IBM 1130 Was: Re: Linux on S/370? Was: Re: printer socket (Off topic)

by cfandt＠servtech.com

At 23:08 22-09-98 -0400, you wrote: >> Yeah man! Where???????!!!!!!! I'll rent a tent and camp out at the place >> which has one until either they get tired of it or that Y2K thing obsoletes >> it. W. Donzelli would be camping right next to me I think. > >No, I will be letting the air of your car's tires. Oh no you won't ;) I'll get a set of those new Michelin Zero Pressure tires (ones which the TV ad shows a 3/4" hole being drilled in the sidewall and the car driving away; 55 MPH for 50 miles... [howzat work anyway?]) > >> Seriously, that would be, in my opinion, the most excellent find! As I >> mentioned, I have never heard of any around these days. They were, I >> believe, not the typical mainline computers one would hear of in business >> like the S/360's and S/370's. Weren't they more used in R&D and academia >> because of their ability to handle number crunching not so much as >> databases like a business application would? > >I know little about 1103s, but they were indeed built for number crunching >for people that could not afford a big S/360. The 1103 is related to the >1800, used for process control (leading to the S/7). You must have been tired at 23:08 when you wrote this :) It's an IBM 1130. Since the 1130 is related to the 1800, I would like to lookup info on the 1800 machine. Any online leads? --Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

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Removing mailing label gunk

by manney＠lrbcg.com

An Epson gas eaten several mailing labels over the years (I think at least _some_ of the labels must be 10 years old!). What's good stuff to remove the gunk without melting the plastic? Thanks, manney

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More monitor Repair

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

While we're on monitor repair: I picked up an IBM PS/1 SVGA which when turned on flashes a normal screen for less than a second, which collapses and then displays a slowly degrading squiggly vertical line which gradually shortens and blanks. Likely some classic symptom . Any ideas ? ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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Monitor repair

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< I have the same monitor. Don't have the same problem, though. It may b < just the picture tube warming up, which would explain why the chill spra < doesn't do anything. Although 10 minutes seems like an awfully long tim < for tube warm-up. Mine gets to full size, and warmed up in about 15 < seconds. It's from 1992 (or93). This is fromn a friend and was retrired because this wasn't normal operation. The tube should be warm in a minute or so but the diplay growth takes a good 10-15minuts to reach normal. It is otherwise stable. It's in very good shape but is was used every day for over 4 hours a sitting. My first thought was power supply but any point I've measured is stable on warm up. Allison

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EDSAC on your desk.

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>A simulator (in general) preserves one aspect of the machine - a platform >on which to run the original programs. What it doesn't preserve is any >feel of the hardware, any of the hardware techniques that were in use at >that time, the construction methods, etc. Have you seen the Apple II emulator 'II in a Mac' for the 68000 Macs? It placed the moitor, a keyboard, joystick, four floppy drives, printer, and a clock on the screen. Then you could actually click on the keyboard's keys or move the joystick on the screen with the mouse. A really neat interface which, IMHO, did a half decent job at preserving the hardware's feel. It's a shame more emulators don't do such a good job at portraying the hardware. Tom Owad -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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Quantum Q540 as a RD52

by CLASSICCMP＠timaxp.trailing-edge.com

>Thank you from me too, Tim!!!! You're welcome! > I'm going to later this fall/winter try to >start-up my MicroPDP-11/73 and MicroVAX-II machines (along with an 11/34A, >11/24 and 11/23, maybe the VAX-11/730.) Of course, there are a couple of >RD's involved within the uPDP and uVAX here. I've been slow in putting RQDX3 details on sunsite's PDP-11 archive, I will admit, mainly because I despise RD-series MFM drives. Most of this is because I don't get called in until the RD drive is very sick and dying, and of course the users didn't make any backups for the past decade! You better believe that I charge a sizable fee for data recovery/system restoration in this case! -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

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(fwd) Actual Shuttle Columbia Flight CPU and IOP for sale.

by danjo＠xnet.com

Now HERE is a Classic! > -- forwarded message -- > Subject: Actual Shuttle Columbia Flight CPU and IOP for sale. > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:46:25 GMT > > Over in sci.space.history they are offering an actual Shuttle > Columbia Flight CPU that ACTUALLY FLEW. Price is something like > $1800. I came over here & didn't see the post here so thought > I would tell y'all. > > The thread is "ex-Mission Control surplus electronics for sale". > -- end of forwarded message --

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new DEC additions

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 98-09-25 08:27:58 EDT, you write: > Tell us, what boards are in the 3 boxes ... i dont know dec, but if you can explain how to access the boards and ID them, i can tell you what they are. david

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new DEC additions

by CLASSICCMP＠timaxp.trailing-edge.com

>> mvII diag cust >DON'T ERASE THIS ONE ! Why not? The customer diagnostics are completely worthless. If one tries to use them to format a RD-series disk on a RQDX3, the best possible outcome is that an already formatted disk will remain formatted. A more likely outcome is that an already formatted disk will get zorched! Tim.

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new DEC additions

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi Dave, ---------- > From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: new DEC additions > Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 12:11 PM > > drove out to the country the other day and picked up this load of dec stuff. > some of you dec hotshots can tell me if it was worth the trip. lol > about 40 orange binders about vax/vms. programmer's guide, reference, and who > know what else! Keep them. I find always more in this books, that i'm looking for ;-)) > external drive RD54 functional ? > mvII diag cust DON'T ERASE THIS ONE ! > heh, if anyone can explain all this, that would be most welcome. it was hard > work having to unload those off a truck by myself. i might keep the smaller of > the 3 i got, Tell us, what boards are in the 3 boxes ... cheers, emanuel

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um... somewhat on topic...

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

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by roblwill＠usaor.net

I have the same monitor. Don't have the same problem, though. It may be just the picture tube warming up, which would explain why the chill spray doesn't do anything. Although 10 minutes seems like an awfully long time for tube warm-up. Mine gets to full size, and warmed up in about 15 seconds. It's from 1992 (or93). I have noticed, however, that since I got it, the picture is slowly shrinking. When new, I could adjust both horizontal and vertical, when maxed out, would be past the edges of the screen. Now, when I max out the horiz. control, I can only get it to about 1/2 - 3/4" from each side of the screen. The vertical can still go off the screen. Other than that, there are no problems (no pincushion, distortion etc). The monitor is very low hours. It was used probably about 3-4 hours a week, if that, until about 4 months ago. Now it's used about 3-4 hours a day. The problem started, however, when being used 3-4 hrs. a week. ThAnX, -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- > From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Monitor repair > Date: Thursday, September 24, 1998 10:35 PM > > Here's one that has me going... > > Gateway2000 crystal scan (1572 FS): > > Problem: display from cold start is 75% of normal size, warms up to > normal after about 10 minutes. Color and aspect ratio excellent as is > focus even in shrunken form. Chill spray on components cannot cause > the display to shrink. > > Any clues on this one? I have no prints... > > As tubes go this one is fairly nice. > > Allison >

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new DEC additions

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< i already have a microvax II, but in a tower unit form factor, almost li < pc. (ba123 i think) the 3 i got are shaped different. two of them are bi < probably over 200lbs each easy. the first one has a sticker on it showin < model 63006. its a big unit, with a hood that opens up top and a big tap Could be a MVII in one of many possible boxes. Sounds like you hiot the mother load. < about 40 orange binders about vax/vms. programmer's guide, reference, an < know what else! Orange is V4.x.. old but very useful. < a letterwriter 100 A good wide platten printer that will do six part forms. < external drive RD54 < a tape drive (tk50?) Always handy. < microvms 4.6 full bin Old but usable. < vax fortran 4.5 bin < decnet mvms v4 net bnd/n < tsv05 driver bin < microvms v4.7 bin Better. < vhs lic key bin BIG WIN if not expired, if not DECUS. < microvms 4.6 bin mand update < mvII diag cust < rel:1.2.1 install microvax II (handwritten) < < < heh, if anyone can explain all this, that would be most welcome. it was Sounds like you have the docs needed to answer you questions. The orange wall is chock full of information even if the version is old it's more valuable than the VAX itself! Allison

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New toys

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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Goo is gone!

by manney＠lrbcg.com

Used Goo Gone; one swipe is all it took -- that stuff's magic! manney(a)lrbcg.com >An Epson gas eaten several mailing labels over the years (I think at least >_some_ of the labels must be 10 years old!). > >What's good stuff to remove the gunk without melting the plastic?

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Kids these days

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

>Yes! Something I can help with. To get to the BAL-500 menu, which is >onboard, you just put it in a slot and do PR#X where X is the slot number >it's in. It'll bring up a menu of things you can do with it. > >PS: At least I think I have a BAL-500. Try it and see. Thanks, Anthony. PR#X does it. Now I just need to figure out how to actually program it. :-) Thanks, Tom -- Sysop of Caesarville Online Client software at: <http://home.earthlink.net/~tomowad/>

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new DEC additions

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

drove out to the country the other day and picked up this load of dec stuff. some of you dec hotshots can tell me if it was worth the trip. lol i already have a microvax II, but in a tower unit form factor, almost like a pc. (ba123 i think) the 3 i got are shaped different. two of them are big, probably over 200lbs each easy. the first one has a sticker on it showing model 63006. its a big unit, with a hood that opens up top and a big tape drive <?> that slides forward. the machine says TS05 on the front. one model came with two hard drives. the other unit 'named pugsly' is the same, except it has a small tape drive and the backplane has cables going everywhere and the side panels are off. thankfully they have wheels. the 3rd uvax is a much smaller unit but wider than the one i have here in the computer room. it has a dual vertical floppy drive and two hard drives. i also got two vt220 terminals about 40 orange binders about vax/vms. programmer's guide, reference, and who know what else! a letterwriter 100 external drive RD54 a tape drive (tk50?) a rat's nest of cables to hook everything up. some blank dec 5.25 disks about 20 compactapes. half are backups. last bu was nov94. also got these system tapes: microvms 4.6 full bin vax fortran 4.5 bin decnet mvms v4 net bnd/n tsv05 driver bin microvms v4.7 bin vhs lic key bin microvms 4.6 bin mand update mvII diag cust rel:1.2.1 install microvax II (handwritten) heh, if anyone can explain all this, that would be most welcome. it was hard work having to unload those off a truck by myself. i might keep the smaller of the 3 i got, but the two big monstors, i'm unsure of. the people i got these >from also want to give me a CDC machine that's even bigger... david

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EDSAC on your desk.

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Well, sorta.. I have found a wonderful EDSAC simulator that runs on Windows or Mac. It presents you with the 'front panel' of the machine.. a CRT that 'looks' at the various memory delay tanks, other register displays, and some control buttons. One 'punches' programs into files, which are then presented to the sim and away it goes. Even (corny) sound effects. It emulates the machine as it existed in the 1949 - 50 time range. It is a 1.873 Mb file that explodes into the program and demo files, as well as two .pdf docs explaining everything. It can be had at: www.ocs.warwick.ac.uk/~edsac I have been playing with it on and off all day today. Sam: Possibly a neat item at VCF II would be to have a box running this simulator... it certainly gives instant awareness of what it was like back in the Old Days. Certainly on topic, I guess... ;} Cheers John

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Monitor repair

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

>Would someone be kind enough to direct me to a good FAQ or URL for >diagnosing/repairing monitors? There has been some excellent information Oops - try www.repairfaq.org/~filipg. Bill Richman incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf microcomputer simulator!)

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Monitor repair

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

>Would someone be kind enough to direct me to a good FAQ or URL for >diagnosing/repairing monitors? There has been some excellent information Try www.repairfaq.com - it contains the sci.electronics.repair newsgroup FAQ. (I tried it just now, and can't get there, but I think this is the right address.) Bill Richman incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf microcomputer simulator!)

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Lisaquarium

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

hey, i have two macs with hyperdrives, one is complete and working. AFAIK, that was the only way to get a hard drive on a mac512k besides the floppy connected slow hard drive that apple built. that ST225 sure made the computer much heavier! In a message dated 98-09-24 01:40:19 EDT, A Finney put forth: > "Note the 'Hyperdrive' sticker on the back of this Mac. This was one of > the first internal hard drives for Mac with a cable that clipped directly > to the processor. Very cool, very expensive..."

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Followup: Quantum Q540 as a RD52

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< since getting a RL02 hooked up to the one /23 would take a lot of work, That isn't a bad task. Put the controller in the system if you have the right box, plug in the cables, power and your off. < I've been stuck dialed into work. Besides it sounds like a drive format < on a VS2000 can then be used on a RQDX3 without any problem. Yes, that works well. < 1 down 4 to go. At least I've got one good drive out of the deal so it < worth it, even if the rest are bad! Now I've got a RD52 for that /23. : An 11/23 with RD52 is a good system with any OS 'cept maybe unix. I run RT-11 on it and it's very roomy. Allison

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Lisaquarium

by rax＠warbaby.com

Forwarded sans comment... http://www.flnet.com/~jlower/aquaria/aquarium.html -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Once you get the nose on, the rest is just makeup.

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Followup: Quantum Q540 as a RD52

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Well between the info Tim posted yesterday (Thanks again Tim), the 'mfm.disks' document that has been on the PDP-11 site, and the 'mv.txt' document that is part of the MV/VS FAQ, I just finished formatting one of the drives in the VS2000. I decided to go that route at least initially since getting a RL02 hooked up to the one /23 would take a lot of work, and I've been stuck dialed into work. Besides it sounds like a drive formatted on a VS2000 can then be used on a RQDX3 without any problem. 1 down 4 to go. At least I've got one good drive out of the deal so it was worth it, even if the rest are bad! Now I've got a RD52 for that /23. :^) Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Re.: VCF mentioned in today's Wall Street Journal

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Is that the only speech to be made? > >> >>The article only raises more questions. At the VCF we will answer them, >> >>and a new chapter in the history of the development of the microprocessor >> >>will be written. >> >> For those of us unable to make it to this event, will there be a >> transcript of Holt's speech? > >Yes. And a taped version and a video tape will be made. No definite >plans exist for releasing the video tape of the talk, but an audio >cassette will be produced. > >Also, I'll be releasing the URL to the web site that Ray Holt put up to >disseminate information about the F14 Central Air Data Computer on this >list tomorrow. You guys will be getting this before the rest of the >world. > >It has pictures of the chip masks, technical data, a more recent paper >Holt wrote to put this technology in perspective, and some other data. > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 09/21/98] > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re.: VCF mentioned in today's Wall Street Journal

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:24:36 -0700 (PDT), Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> wrote: >>On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Richard A. Cini, Jr. wrote: >> On page B6, in an article titled "Yet Another 'Father' Of the >> Microprocessor Wants Recognition", there is discussion of Ray Holt, an >> ex-Navy engineer who claims to have created the microprocessor in 1969, two >> years before Hoff, Faggin, and Mazor created the integrated processor. >Actually, its on page B3. In the New York City edition (versus the National edition), it does appear on page B6. Sorry for the confusion. >>The article only raises more questions. At the VCF we will answer them, >>and a new chapter in the history of the development of the microprocessor >>will be written. For those of us unable to make it to this event, will there be a transcript of Holt's speech? Rich Cini/WUGNET - ClubWin!/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Collector of "classic" computers <========= reply separator ==========>

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IBM 1130 Was: Re: Linux on S/370? Was: Re: printer so

by Marty＠itgonline.com

During my last year in high school in Kensington, Maryland in 1969 an IBM 1103 was installed with about twenty terminals for student use. I never used the 1103 although I 'majored' in data processing which included IBM EAM (Electronic Accounting Machine) plug board wiring and operation (sorting, collating, keypunching, verifying, gang punching printing etc. etc. by the way, if anybody has an old plug board available for sale or trade I would be most grateful). I LOVED the old punch card gear. It was fun wiring plug boards. Marty ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: IBM 1130 Was: Re: Linux on S/370? Was: Re: printer socke Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 9/22/98 11:10 PM > Yeah man! Where???????!!!!!!! I'll rent a tent and camp out at the place > which has one until either they get tired of it or that Y2K thing obsoletes > it. W. Donzelli would be camping right next to me I think. No, I will be letting the air of your car's tires. > Seriously, that would be, in my opinion, the most excellent find! As I > mentioned, I have never heard of any around these days. They were, I > believe, not the typical mainline computers one would hear of in business > like the S/360's and S/370's. Weren't they more used in R&D and academia > because of their ability to handle number crunching not so much as > databases like a business application would? I know little about 1103s, but they were indeed built for number crunching for people that could not afford a big S/360. The 1103 is related to the 1800, used for process control (leading to the S/7). William Donzelli william(a)ans.net ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Sep22.231015.1767.65248; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:10:15 -0400 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id UAA22495; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:08:10 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id UAA19744 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:08:04 -0700 Received: from il1.nyp.ans.net (il1.nyp.ans.net [147.225.190.5]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id UAA12224 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:08:02 -0700 Received: by il1.nyp.ans.net id XAA20851 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu); Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:08:01 -0400 Received: by il1.nyp.ans.net (Internal Mail Agent-1); Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:08:01 -0400 Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980922225702.4453B-100000(a)titan.purch.ans.net> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: IBM 1130 Was: Re: Linux on S/370? Was: Re: printer socket (Off topic) In-Reply-To: <199809230020.AAA19961(a)cyber2.servtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

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Motorola UDS modem

by blakeman＠creative-net.net

I have just gotten an original box, foam pads inside that has a manual and modem inside, probably unused. It says it's a Motorola UDS 201 BC, made for Motorola by Universal Data Systems of Huntsville AL. The manual says it's copyright 1986. Has the cable to connect to the regular RJ11 lines (telco) and and RJ45 connector on back to hook in multline phones or regular lines dependant upon the cable used. It also has a 25 pin d-sub on back but it's a female, marked DTE and the manual says its an RS-232C connection. Pretty much like any external modem except for the front switch positions. It's a rotary switch with the following positions: RDLIST RDL LDL AL DATA TLK TTP RTP ST and it has 8 leds that are marked MR/RI TR RS CS CD RD TD TM My guess is that it will do a multitude of things more than a stock dial up modem. Many of you that have been into his stuff when it was new probably know all about it. Anyone willing to make a trade of some standard PC oriented stuff? PS/2 items? make me an offer if you want this as I don't think it's worth much in $$ but a lot to someone that uses this type of equipment or for their collection. A little high brow for me.

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A chapter every computer manual should have

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

>How about what should be line 0, using the gun to prevent the rest of >the instructions being necessary? > You mean: 1) use the gun to shoot the computer (shades of the 3 laws of robotics), or 2) use the gun to shoot the politicians who started the war? Bill Richman incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf microcomputer simulator!)

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A chapter every computer manual should have

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Shouldn't you destroy the manual too? > >> The last chapter of my "Gun Direction Computer M15" manual has a section >> on destroying the computer if it should fall into enemy hands: > >Instructions ("destructions" as Greenback and Stilletto would say) like >this are common in military tech manuals - at least ones that have even >the smallest chance of being near the front. > >William Donzelli >william(a)ans.net > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Osborne 1

by firebird＠exit109.com

I have an Osborne 1 in good operating condition with all original software and some additional software looking for a good home. Anyone there interested? This email address was published in the Asbury Park Press. Jim Winer firebird(a)exit109.com http://www.mimidolls.com http://www.WeaverOfWebs.com

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EDSAC on your desk.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< It's not unheard of for a domestic mains supply in the UK to be 240V @ < 80A or even 100A. If I had a PDP10, you can be sure I'd find a way to ge < such a supply. In the USA (MA) 100-200A service pannels are common with both 120/240 ouputs typically under 15A for 120 loops and veriable for the 240. It's fairly trivial to drop a 30A 240 single phase and in my garage I have a plug for one if needed. KL10 8KW is likely not real but a max. < Ouch. That's about 25% efficient. Sorry, but that does need to be < redesigned, particularly if it's a switcher.! for that kind of efficientcy it would have to be a very poor linear as most of them are in the 45-65% range. I'm skeptical that the input load is really 8KW and in reality far less. I'm inclined to believe something more in the range of 4kw is the truth. For example I'm running 4 VS3100s and the name plate says 5.8A at 120v on the back of the /m76 yet the /M10E it's only 1.2A... the reson is the /m76 can daisy chan the AC power out to another box (switched) but the internal power supply is only a 150w switcher needing 1.2A. The underline is that 8kw may well be the AC distribution bus load not the local processor power load. < > However, RP06 drives are another matter entirely. They need three-pha < > power for their motors. I'm reluctant to try the capacitor trick. That works well if the values are right. Keep in mind that the motors are running under a mostly static load so despite their size and power they are running at a fraction of their full load power. < There are electronic 3-phase converters sold in the UK (and I think < Elektor published as design for one). They are typically used for small < (2-3hp) motors on machine tools. I would guess that an RP06 would run of < one of those without any problems. Rotary converter, low efficentcy but they work and can be built. Allison

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For Sale/Trade at the VCF - plus want list

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I have a nice one, I just need the special DOS for it... -----Original Message----- From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@intellistar.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 12:50 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: For Sale/Trade at the VCF - plus want list Kai, I have a bunch of extra HP 150s. How many do you want? Joe At 03:26 PM 9/22/98 -0700, you wrote: >Here's a PARTIAL list of the stuff I'll have in my booth at the Vintage >Computer Festival this weekend, followed by my want list. > >FOR SALE/TRADE AT VCF: > >- Apple II (original) systems (2), good cosmetics, neither working, one >needs PS, the other TLC >- Apple II/Bell & Howell "Black Apple" Disk II floppy drives, drives only >(3) >- Apple ///, tested working, plus optional ProFile hard disk and Apple /// >ProFile controller card >- Apple Lisa (Mac XL), nice shape, powers on, needs Sun SCSI card, keyboard >has 3 wrong keys >- Apple Macintosh 128, beautiful! Correct original mouse, keyboard and >Apple-logo power cord >- Atari 65XE, memory error on boot >- Atari 130XE, tested working, plus floppy drive, cable, power supplies >- Atari 800, the original Atari 8-bit, nice shape, tested working, with >power supply and Atari BASIC book >- Atari ST, untested >- Coleco ADAM, tested working, with keyboard & printer >- Colecovision classic game system, mint condition, with 2 controllers, >power supply, 1 game >- Commodore 128D, rare version with separate keyboard/built-in diskette >drive, tested working >- Commodore Amiga 500, technician's special >- Commodore Amiga 1000, the first Amiga, tested working, with 1MB Insider >and 256K cartridge >- Epson PX-8 Geneva, CP/M notebook PC, tested working, with Multi-Unit 64 >and Portable WordStar ROM >- Epson PX-8 Geneva, CP/M notebook PC, tested working except some keys, >needs cleaning? >- IBM PC Convertible 5140, looks great, tested working, with battery >- IBM Portable PC 5150, the original IBM PC in a portable case, flawless >condition >- Sharp PC1500 Pocket Computer with carrying case, printer, manuals, tested >working >- Sharp PC1500A Pocket Computer with carrying case, printer, manuals, tested >working >- SoftStrip Reader!!! Read those barcoded programs along the edge of >magazine pages! In original box >- Sony 15" universal color monitor, accepts Composite, S-Video, Analog RGB, >Digital RGB >- Timex-Sinclair ZX1000, tested working >- TRS-80 Model 100, 32K, tested working, missing battery cover, with Model >100 book >- TRS-80 Color Computer 1, tested working >- Vectrex vector-graphic stand-alone home video game system, M6800 CPU > >WANT LIST: > >- Most anything S-100 bus related, especially but not limited to MITS, IMSAI > >- Documentation or Sales Literature for classic systems > >- Altair 6800 >- Commodore PET Floppy System >- Corvus Concept >- Dynalogic Hyperion >- Exidy Sorcerer >- Heath H8, H11, drives >- IBM AT >- Ohio Scientific systems >- Osborne Vixen >- Processor Technology HELIOS >- RCA 1802 machines (e.g. COSMAC ELF, VIP) >- Rockwell AIM-65 >- Sinclair ZX80 >- Smoke Signal Broadcasting systems, drives >- SWTPC systems, drives > >- Optical serial paper tape reader >- Apple Lisa Office System Diskettes, Unserialized >- HP150 DOS >- Apricot F-Series DOS >- Apple Macintosh Portable Battery > >And of course, can't fail to mention the Apple I, Apple Lisa I, Mark 8, >Scelbi 8H, Sphere, & Xerox Star. > >See you at VCF!! > >Kai > >

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VCF mentioned in today's Wall Street Journal

by rcini＠email.msn.com

FYI: On page B6, in an article titled "Yet Another 'Father' Of the Microprocessor Wants Recognition", there is discussion of Ray Holt, an ex-Navy engineer who claims to have created the microprocessor in 1969, two years before Hoff, Faggin, and Mazor created the integrated processor. In the last paragraph, "This week, Mr. Holt will officially launch a campaign to make his name. On Saturday, he will be a featured speaker at a gathering of Silicon Valley computer buffs, the Vintage Computer Festival in Santa Clara, Calif., where he will be joined by members of his original team and publicly discuss his invention for the first time." Congrats Sam! Rich Cini/WUGNET - ClubWin!/CW7 - MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking - Collector of "classic" computers <========= reply separator ==========>

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