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HP3000/2000/1000 emulators?

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

in case you missed my post on classiccmp, Jeff Moffat wrote an emulator for the 2100. Don't recall the URL, but search yahoo & such for 2100 and you should find it. Jay West -----Original Message----- From: Arfon Gryffydd <arfonrg(a)texas.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 8:11 AM Subject: HP3000/2000/1000 emulators? >Anyone know of any HP1000/2000/3000 emulators (for a PC running Linux?) >

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HP 2000 Time Shared BASIC Memories

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Jim wrote... >Ah, yes... I remember it well. As to its fate, I can offer a few more >tidbits... > >The METCOM system, known as "Darlene" to its friends, met its final >(publically anyway) end at a sealed bid county auction in the early 1980s. Our high school HP2000 started out as the 2000E variety, then was upgraded to 2000C', and finally to 2000 Access. It's lovable name was HUEY. Right next to it was our other high school machine, a PDP-11/03 running RT-11 with TSX+ extensions. It's name was DUEY. (I have already gotten several machines of mine up and running RT-11 with TSX+). Gee - I wonder what they would have named a third system if we had it ;) Jay

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HP 2000 Time Shared BASIC Memories

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Rick; Great to hear some stories about my personal obsession - TSB. I know of only one TSB system still up and running - a friend of mine in CA. I still don't have mine up but I'm getting awfully close - all I need is a 2748 paper tape reader and a 12920 mux set. I found the paper tape reader but they want $650 for it. Pound Sand I said ;) Yes, there is an emulator for the 2100 series cpu. Check out Jeff Moffat's website. Don't remember the URL, but search yahoo & such for "2100" and you'll find it. He has an emulator that runs on dos. It is supposed to run on Unix, but - it has some real problems with FreeBSD. Another user on the list here was kind enough to fix it up for freebsd and send me a diff file. I've got it here if you want it. The emulator supports most of the 2100 instruction set (or subset of the 21MX M series - however you look at it). I haven't yet dug into the emulator - eventually I will for sure - but for now I'm obsessed with getting the "real thing" up and running. As I recall from a quick first blush look - the emulator didn't have any real support for emulation of the select code addressed devices - ie - no 13210 disk controller, no 12920 muxes, etc.. but jeff has done a lot of great hard work on it so it's a fantastic starting point. On a side note - I'm still waiting but recently reconfirmed that I'm receiving a complete SOURCE code listing for TSB (2000F varietry) both the I/O and system processor portions. Then we can not only run it but change it (and perhaps fix that NAM-, issue <grin>). Another person recently offered me a copy of the "cupertino gold tapes". This is source for every version of TSB, RTE, DOS, etc.... That isn't a firm deal yet but you can imagine my anticipation if it works out :) You also queried about if HP still made TSB available in any form. I've got some pretty close ties to HP - the answer is a resounding NO. I even went so far as to plead my case to their Historical Archives administrator. There's not a shred left. But eventually I DID find some load tapes (both punched and magnetic). See ya! Jay West -----Original Message----- From: Rick Bensene <rickb(a)pail.enginet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 10:57 AM Subject: HP 2000 Time Shared BASIC Memories >Jay West (in a wonderfully informative message about HP systems) wrote: > >> Generally the HP2000 designation meant the system was running TSB >> (Timeshare >> BASIC) which is my particular target of collecting since it was the first >> computer system I ever learned. If the same hardware was running DOS/RTE, >> etc. is was called an HP 1000. >> >So, does anyone out there know of, or have, any of the HP 2000 Timeshared >BASIC systems *running*? This is what I learned on also. >The county educational services district purchased an original HP 2000B >TSB system. Over the years, it was upgraded to a C, then C', then E, F, and >finally ACCESS. The last I know of the system being in service was in the >early >1980's. I've tried to track down what happened to it, but every lead has >resulted >in a dead end. > >I was able to visit the 'computer center' where the machine was kept (more >on this in the story below). It was >a little hole-in-the-wall building about 5 miles from my house. I think >that >it was running in the 2000C configuration when I saw it. It used dual >CPU's (don't remember which ones). According to the operator, one CPU >handled >the I/O stuff (the system had, as I recall, 32 ports, most connected to >Bell 103 modems), and the other 'ran' the BASIC environment. The system had >a washing-machine sized disk drive with removable multi-platter disk packs. >There was also a rack/cabinet about the same size as the rack that the >two CPU's were in that contained a fast drum memory that was used for >swapping store. > >Does anyone know if HP still can make available the TSB code? It would be >TOTALLY amazing to get ahold of it, write and emulator for the CPU and >associated hardware on something like a PII 450 running Linux, and *run* TSB >again. >It would be a big project, but chances of finding the real mccoy >seem pretty unlikely nowadays. > >Here's a recollection for y'all on the 2000C Timeshared BASIC system. > >One day I was reading the TSB manual (wish I still had it, but I think it >ended up coming un-bound because I used it so much, and I think it got >tossed away years ago when I was moving) in an effort to learn any new >tidbits of information. > >On the page for the "NAM" command, which was used to attach a name to the >current program in working storage, I noted that it said to NEVER name a >program >with a single comma; i.e. NAM-, > >I wondered why this would be. So, I wandered into the terminal room at >our high school, and dialed up the machine (I still remember the phone >number!) >and logged in. I typed in a little program, and typed NAM-, and pressed >RETURN. A linefeed popped back at me. I thought..."well, that was >exciting". > >So, I typed LIS and there was my little program as expected. I then >did a CATLIST to dump out my user directory. The CATLIST came back empty. >This was startling, as I *thought* I had a whole bunch of stuff in my >directory. >I then typed the command that would tell you how much (I think it was TIME) >connect time you'd used this session, and how much of your monthly time >quota >you had left. The command came back with really weird answers...and, it >came back with different numbers each time I ran the command. This was VERY >strange. So, I logged off, and re-logged back in, and didn't type NAM-, >and did a CATLIST. There was all my stuff. I typed in NAM-, then did a >CATLIST... >and all my stuff was gone. > >I then thought...I wonder if the NAM-, magically transports you to a >different >file area. So, I typed up a little program, gave it a name with the NAM- >command (which seemed to take, and not affect 'where' I was), and SAVed it. >I did a CATLIST. There it was. The interesting thing was that the CATLIST >(which I hadn't really noticed before) said that I had some tremendous >amount >of storage blocks remaining. > >Upon noticing this, I thought I'd try CREating a big file, just to see how >much >space I really had available to me. I issued a command to create a 1000 >block >file..which was a pretty good-sized file, as I remember. I typed in the >command, and pressed RETURN. There were three other TTY's in our computer >lab, and all were occupied by other students at the time. When I pushed >RETURN, >all the other TTY's quit printing for a second or two...just like the >machine >had crashed (which happened from time to time), but as soon as my terminal >printed it's acknowledging linefeed, they started right back up where they >left off. >Hmmmm... > >So, how about a 10000 block file? Well, that took the system a while to >create...and everyone else was 'dead' during that time...no character echo, >output 'froze' at the point where I pressed RETURN on my terminal. > >I did a CATLIST...and sure enough, there was my little program, my 1000 >block >file, and my 10000 block file. I did a KILL on my 10000 block file, and >that took a bit, and everyone else again froze during the KILL operation. >Too weird. I left it alone for then, and called a friend that night that >went to another school that used the same system, and told him to make sure >that he was logged on at 11AM the next morning, and observe. > >At 11AM the next morning, I was logged in, and had done the magic NAM-,. >I asked the system to create a 100000 block file, pressing the RETURN >on the command at 11AM sharp...which *appeared* to make >the system crash, at least from my end. All the other terminals were >'dead'. >About 2 minutes into my create, my terminal (a good old TTY ASR33), along >with >everyone else's chattered a few garbage characters, like these beasts did >when >the carrier dropped. Either the system totally crashed, or the operator >had killed it to reboot. I was a little scared at that point, as I figured >it >was all caused by me. I didn't do any more tinkering after the system came >back >up that day. > >My friend called me that evening, and said "Did you do that?". So, I knew >that whatever I was doing, it was system-wide! He wanted to know how I >did >it, but I didn't tell. > >I did a few more experiments with this strangeness, but never 'crashed' it >again, >just playing around to see how much resource this 'warped' place that NAM-, >too me to could consume. In this space, I had a larger working storage set, >had virtually unlimited file storage space (I wrote a little program that >would CREate lots and lots of small files), and unlimited connect time. >It seemed that NAM-, sent you off to the 'system overhead' area...where all >resources that weren't in use were available to whomever had executed the >NAM-, command. > >After tinkering with it for a while, I decided I should tell my instructor >about >it. The instructor and I were very close, and I figured this was something >that >could cause problems if the word got out about it. He was amazed..and >immediately >called the operator of the system, and arranged a meeting so we could tell >them >what was going on. We arranged a meeting in an evening after 'prime time' >so I could demonstrate this. The operator was stunned...it would be >terrible >if the word about this got out...people could 'wedge' the machine pretty >much at will. Apparently, a call was made to HP the next morning, and there >were >HP folks there the next day, and within a couple of days, the NAM-, command >would result in something like "ILLEGAL FORMAT". > >According to our system operator, from what was told to her by the >HP engineers, was that the the NAM-, command was a purposely written-in >'back door' that was put into the TSB code. It had to have been known >about >by HP, because of the mention of not using a name of ',' in the manual. >In any case, the back door was closed, at least on our system. > >I made a point of checking, when we upgraded to the C', E, F, and ACCESS >systems >to check the NAM-, to see if it worked. It never did again. > >Sorry for the long message, but I thought it'd be of some interest to those >who used these wonderful old systems. > >Best wishes, >Rick Bensene > >

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Looking for RT-11 Documentation

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I have absolutely no RT-11 documentation, although I have two systems >running it (both 11/23s). Does anyone have any online documentation on >the command language, configuration, device drivers, sysgen, etc? I'm >fumbling around without it. There is no on-line documentation... if there is, I'm sure Mentec would be a little bothered by it. There might be HELP available on the system, depending on the version and whether all the required files are still there... Try 'SHOW CONFIG' or 'SHOW ALL' to see if you get anything (this actually runs the program RESORC.SAV from SY:) The command language is DCP (Digital Command Language), and is pretty consistent from one system to another, modulo those things which aren't supported... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Looking for RT-11 Documentation

by mbg＠world.std.com

>The command language is DCP (Digital Command Language), and is That's *DCL*... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Hans Franke?

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

I think he is on a business trip; I do not have any other contact information, but could try to get some if urgently needed. John G. Zabolitzky

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3 1/2" boot disk for Spectravideo.738 computer (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

Can anyone help this chap out on his quest for a system disk for the Spectravideo.738? And, perhaps, he will send me a copy also. Please info me on your reply. Thanks! - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:44:01 +0100 From: Arnfinn M. Manders <arnfinnm(a)c2i.net> Reply-To: <@c2i.net> To: donm(a)crash.cts.com Subject: 3 1/2" boot disk for Spectraviedeo.738 computer Hi Don Trevor Gowen Suggested that I might contact you regarding a 3 1/2" boot disk for my Spectravideo-738 portable computer. The disk has the following specifications: Single side Soft sector IBM MFM format 80 tracks double density 9 sectors/track 360 Kbytes formatted capacity Since this is a UK made machine, and the company is still in bussiness as Logic 3 International Ltd., I figured that there may be a chance that there are a few collectors in the the UK that may have this machine in their collection. Can you give me a lead to someone that may be able to supply me with a disk? The address of the company is Logic 3 International Unit 27, Norhfield Industrial Estate Beresford Ave., Wembley Middelsex HAQ 1NW Phone:0181 9022211 Best regards from the cold and dark Norway Arnfinn

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Need data sheet for 1101 RAM, 8008

by dogas＠leading.net

-----Original Message----- From: Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com> >Hi Mike > The 1101 was a 256x1 part 2102 is a 1Kx1 part. I'm sure >the pinouts would be similar but exactly what I don't know. >2101 is a 256x4. I think all of these have seperate input >and outputs, unlike the 2111 that has a bidirectional I/O. Thanks Dwight. There is a good article in Kilobaud #1, "How Memory Works" that features the 2102.... It shows the chip's 1K bits as a 32x32 'memory matrix' addressable in a row(5 bit) x column(5 bit) format. - Mike:dogas@leading.net

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Tektronix 4051 magic mode found!

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>> >> Try "Exec". I don't have any details of how to use it, sorry. Let me know >> what you find out. >> > > Hmmm...this brings back some memories. From my recollection, this > statement accepted a string argument. The character string supplied > was coded in a special pseudo-hexadecimal: > > 0="0", 1="1", 2="2", 3="3", 4="4", 5="5", 6="6", 7="7" > 8="8", 9="9", a=":", b=";" c="<", d="=", e=">", f="?" > > For example, to represent the hex sequence 6e7f391d, the string would be > "6>7?391=" > > Each two characters represent a byte. > > Now, using this method, you could 'code' 6800 machine code instructions. > > The EXEC statement would store the bytes supplied in the string argument > as a linear sequence of machine code, and cause a jump to the segment > of code. I don't recall if it was JMP'd to, or JSR'd to...and don't > remember any of the details of how to return from a segment of code > executed with the EXEC statement. Obviously, sending random stuff > to an EXEC statement could wedge the machine up. > > I remember that EXEC was used frequently by folks who were experts > with the machine (and had magic lists of the internal runtime > calls) to make game programs and stuff in machine code that would > run much faster than the interpreted BASIC. It also allowed > 'extensions' to BASIC that you could use to do things like PEEK and POKE, > etc. There were conventions for passing variables in and out of > EXEC'd code, so BASIC could be used for 'high level' functions, and > the fast EXEC'd machine code could be used for time-critical or > other functions that were too slow, or too tedious (IE: bit manipulation) > to do in BASIC. > > Hope this helps. It's all from foggy memories..all the fun with 4051's > that I had happened sometime around 1978...21 years ago. I'm amazed > that I can remember ANY of it, given that many times I can't remember > where I put my car keys :-) Rick, you wonderful person! I wonder what this does on the 4052... Something to try when I get home tonight, perhaps. Joe, what was it you were saying about already having picked Rick's brains? (FWIW I am still negotiating a trade with Zane for that ROM) Now what we need are some exec calls for things like peek, poke, reading the joystick port without a "pointer" instruction, and so on. I must step up the pace of my own research... Philip.

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CRT handling Was: Re: It's ALIVE!

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

I'm following the discussion around the danger of household circuits: >> I have worked on various appliances ,electrical devices and/or wiring >> most of my life, close to 50 years, and I have been "bitten" on occasion. >> Of course, except for stoves and dryers, the voltage here is 110 v. I >can >> understand the respect given to 220v.(3wire) and have never worked on >> anything at that voltage without shutting down the circuit. I have also >been >> very cautious about working on anything in damp conditions like in a >> washroom or wet basement. Travelling in some other EU countryes, I've noticed that few household installations have "SAFETY DIFFERENTIAL-CURRENT BREAKERS" (here in Italy are called "Salva-vita=Life-saver), and also from these messages I learn that 220v are used also in the US (surprise) for heavy applications, but again nobody from both side of the ocean refers to the presence, safetiness, of these devices that here are used and mandatory from 15-20 years. I would like to hear from you all what's the situation there, if they are diffused, you use them, are considered (toghether with earthing) enough to avoid danger situations. Ciao Riccardo Romagnoli <chemif(a)mbox.queen.it>

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Need data sheet for 1101 RAM, 8008

by dogas＠leading.net

-----Original Message----- From: Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com> >> Anyone know where 1101 RAM chips are for sale (if at all?) BTW, the pinouts for the 2102 is 1-a6,2-a5, 3-r/w, 4-a1, 5-a2,6-a3,7-a4,8-a0,9-gnd,10-vcc,11-din,12-dout,13-ce,14-a9,15-a8,16-a7. So, what's the difference between the 2102 and 1101? 512 bits??? - Mike, dogas(a)leading.net

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Tektronix 4051 magic mode found!

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

> Philip, > > You need to read the messages more closely. I was the one that found the I probably do, but I don't have time for that :-) In fact I didn't see your message at all! (and I've been getting other Classiccmp messages out of order, but that's nothing new) > EXEC command and posted it here. And yes I had already talked to Rick > about them but he couldn't remember the command or anything about it. I > told you about that conversation. It wasn't till I posted the message about > the EXEC command and Rick read it that it stuck a chord and he remembered > the codes to use with it. Oh, you mean you'd already _tried_ to pick Rick's brains. That's something quite different ;-) ;-) ;-) Philip.

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Amiga 1000 sidecar

by PeksaDO＠cardiff.ac.uk

As the Amiga 1000 has been brought up .... Sometime last year I acquired an Amiga 1000 (Built Feb 1986) and an Amiga 500 but only recently have I got arround to playing with them. The 1000 came with a sidecar unit and by now you should have guessed what I'm about to ask .... I've got the 1000, I've got the sidecar, I've got kickstart and workbench but I haven't got the software required to access the sidecar from the amiga. The sidecar has 448K of memory (256K on motherboard (with space for another 256K) plus 3x64K on a ISA card (with space for another 64K) and a hardcard (which hopefully has an amiga partition). Anyone out there have this software or know where I can get it from, Ta, Doug.

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Xerox 820 family almost complete

by edick＠idcomm.com

Keep in mind that the 820 is from Xerox and the 802/803/806 . . . are from Televideo. The TVI stuff is MUCH more sophisticated in design and packaging, not to mention capabilities. The TVI models used the 1793 and 5.25" DSDD while the XEROX used the 1771 with 8" SSSD . . . Dick ---------- > From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Xerox 820 family almost complete > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 1:38 PM > > On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Joe wrote: > > > At 10:45 PM 2/23/99 -0800, George wrote: > > > > >Is there still a source for 5.25 inch CP/M for the Xerox 820? > > > > > > > Will the CPM for the 803 or one of the other models work on the 820? > > Does anyone know what the capability is between the various Televiedo models? > > No, and for a variety of reasons, Joe. First. the 820 can only read single > density disks and the TeleVideo disks are all double density. Even the > DD 820-II disk uses a single density first track, so it would choke too. > Second, the Xerox 820 disks read all of the first side before even > venturing into the second side, whereas, the TeleVideo machines read the > tracks on both sides of the disk before moving the heads to the nexr > track. Third, there are other format differences also. Different number > of sectors per track, different skew, ... > > As to the Televideo disks, most of the machines can read/write another > models disks. However, there is much less commonality between CP/M > operating systems used. A few will interchange, others will not. > > - don >

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Xerox 820 family almost complete

by edick＠idcomm.com

I only mentioned it because I was occasionally prone to mix them up myself. They had numerous things in common. They were both single-board types of approximately the same size, they both ran CP/M, they both used a Z-80 . . Dick ---------- > From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Xerox 820 family almost complete > Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 1:37 AM > > Dick, > > At 10:46 PM 2/24/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Keep in mind that the 820 is from Xerox and the 802/803/806 . . . are from > >Televideo. > > Yeah, I realized that after Don posted his reply. I don't know what I > was thinking of when I asked that question. > > Joe

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Need data sheet for 1101 RAM, 8008

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi Sam and all, At 09:03 PM 2/24/99 -0800, you wrote: >On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Dave Dameron wrote: > >> I have both the AMD and Intel data sheets for the 1101(A). They also may be >> in a early (~1976) Intel data catalog. > >Cool. Is it a couple pages I can convince you to photocopy and mail out >for a future favor? Yes, the Intel data sheet is 4 pages. > >> >Anyone know where 1101 RAM chips are for sale (if at all?) >> >> A few years ago I searched all over the place, not only Halted, James, ACP, >> and any other advertisers in early Byte magagines that might still exist, >> but the "obsolete ic" house resellers too. Remember the ads for "8008 +8 >> 2102's"? I only found about 3 "tubes", but may not ever use them as wire >> wrapping 8 chips give only 256 bytes. How many do you want? >> >> Can't you find this stuff by the barrel and data sheets by the ream there >> in Si valley :-)? ..Like a west coast "Poly Pac's". > >Probably at one of these surplus shops somewhere. I've just never looked >before (never had a need until now). Based on some of the exotic things >I've found over the years, I don't doubt there's at least one of >everything laying around this great Valley somewhere (I know there's an >IBM 360 stashed in someone's garage waiting to be liberated). I think I bought some 1101's at Alltronics in San Jose. Also, for those looking for replacements, the Mostek MK4007 seems functionally and pinout the same, although they call it a dynamic ram? -Dave > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Always hasslin' the man. >

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Need data sheet for 1101 RAM, 8008

by dogas＠leading.net

-----Original Message----- From: Dave Dameron <ddameron(a)earthlink.net> >For the 8008, the best is the mcs8 microcomputer set users manual. Someone >on the list just found one in the last week or 2. I probably have a That would be me... Let me know is some info is still needed - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<We've had to keep our clock set back to preserve our VMS and TCP/IP <and NFS and numerous other packages... < <Anyone have a clue as to how we can preserve the software without <moving to some 'hobby' license of a newer VMS? The hobbiest licensse supports version of VMS from 5.4 through 6.1. It may not however support things like UCX. Allison

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Puyallup event

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

To answer earlier questions... Yes, this is an indoor event. Two floors worth. I've not been to TRW in years, but I have attended Bay Area swap meets such as the Livermore and Foothill events. For those that have done the same, I would guess the size of the Puyallup event as about half again as big as Livermore (conservative). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Puyallup swap details

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

The Puyallup swap meet takes place the second Saturday of each year at the site of WA's annual Puyallup Fair (a livestock and amusement thing). Since it is sponsored and put on by one of the local ham radio clubs, it is not dedicated to computer hardware, though I have definitely seen 'classic' stuff show up there. It's primarily electronics: Communications (radio), along with test gear. I regret that we only have room at the house for a single guest (John), and that I have only one additional admission tag to cover him. Anyone else who wants to come, feel free, but you'll be on your own for lodging. The event actually starts Saturday the 13th at 09:00. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Numerix VAX manuals

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I picked up a BIG load of manuals today. A lot of them are manuals for the software to accompany the Numerix MARS-432 Array Processor that (I *think*) was used in the VAX 11/760. The books are dated 1984. Numerix is Numerix Corporation located in Newton, Mass. Is anyone familar with this stuff? Anyone need the manuals? Joe

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Puyallup Meet

by jpl15＠netcom.com

I will be happy to partake in a get-together of classiccmpers while there. Count me in. Also: SoCal TRW reminder... this weekend, the 27th Saturday. Another get-together will be help afterward. See previous posting for details or e-mail me privately. Cheers John

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Interesting item on eBay web site item#70453747: 21 year old man forsale! (fwd)

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

This fits the charter of being a "classic computer" I suppose. I wonder if he'll fetch more than an Altair? --- Title of item: 21 year old man forsale! Seller: mooxe(a)recorder.ca Starts: 02/23/99 08:46:50 PST Ends: 03/02/99 08:46:50 PST Price: Currently $5.50 To bid the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=70453747 Item Description: Hi!! My name is Andrew and I need a home! I'm 21 years old, 6'0 175 pounds. I have blue puppy dog eyes and unemployed!!! I have a great personality! Physically fit. My hobbies include staying up all night on IRC, and reading porno on the web and usenet! If you buy me you get a loving, cuddly sensitive young man! I come with the standard 10 year warranty and my own clothes to last me for 1 year! WHAT A DEAL EH? I come with many more hidden surprises, habits, hobbies and sexual desires! I can be anything and do anything you want! Buy me now cause supplies are limited tee-hee!! Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Always hasslin' the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 02/15/99]

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Packing and Shipping

by jpl15＠netcom.com

I might come to regret this.... ;} I will be in the Seattle, WA area the weekend of the 13th. I will be inflicting myself on the kind hospitality of Mr. Bruce Lane, and visiting the Puyallup Swap Meet. I am flying there in a plane and returning in a 12-foot truck, which I think will only be partially loaded. So.... If anyone has something truck-able in the Seattle area to be delivered into the Los Angeles area.. p'raps we can work something out. The governing parameters are: it fits in the truck, it gets on the truck Saturday the 13th afternoon or early evening, and it gets picked up in LA at my house, or can be easily transfered to my (smaller) pickup truck and delivered to you in the LA region for a suitable bribe. I am driving straight through Sunday, so no intermediate stops are planned between There and Here. Also: items of interest to classiccmpers only, please. This was inspired by Jay West's idea of forming a network of folks to 'stagecoach' jun^H^H^H^H equipment accross the country. Let me know via private e-mail. Cheers John

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Interesting book was Re: Need data sheet for 1101 RAM, 8008

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 01:30 PM 2/24/99 -0800, Sam wrote: > >Does anyone have the data sheets for the 1101 RAM and the Intel 8008? I >need both. In the case of the 8008, an instruction set listing would also >be cool. Sam, I have one. I was at a library trift store and found a neat book, Microcomputers and Microproceesors: Hardware, Software and Applications by John Hilburn and Paul Julich, 1976. It has the instructions for the 4004, 4040, 8008, 8080, National IMP, Rockwell PPS_4, RCA COSMAC and a lot of others. I'll loan you the book if you'll send it back soon. Joe > >Anyone know where 1101 RAM chips are for sale (if at all?) > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Always hasslin' the man. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 02/15/99] > >

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Amiga 1000 boot ROM & Kickstart 27.5(!)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Ethan Dicks <erd(a)infinet.com> wrote: <> The only place I've seen the term "slushware" used is on the DECmate boxe <> AFAIK, its use there matches your use here. < <Not really. The slushware on a DECmate is in an entirely different addres <space from user code, and can only be invoked by trapped I/O instructions <and the like. It is much more like the System Management Mode of the recen <x86 processors (late-486-era to present). Cant speak for the kickstart code. Slushware is the softloadable diagnostic, boot and system service code for DECmateII/III systems. the code provides terminal and keyboard emulation and some device emulation. Due to the characteristics of the CMOS PDP-8 (6120) the device has the nominal 32KW of system space as 8 4k pages and also a duplicate space that is special in that it's assigned it's own unique front pannel interrupt. That address space and interrupt BTW is something a real PDP-8 does not have. Due to the way it's structured you can sort of use it as system space for things like rom, rom loaders and special purpose handlers. Also unique to the DMII/III is that IOTs for 603x and 604x (TTY IO on nominal -8, a few others as well) are trapped to CP space handlers for emulation of display and lk201 keyboard. It can be considered on other micros as boot and device code that runs is special banked memory. It is not however microcode. Allison

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Need data sheet for 1101 RAM, 8008

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Does anyone have the data sheets for the 1101 RAM and the Intel 8008? I <need both. In the case of the 8008, an instruction set listing would also <be cool. I have a full data book on the part. Interesting beast in that it was only 18 pins! That part alone made it loads of fun back in '73 to work with. <Anyone know where 1101 RAM chips are for sale (if at all?) I think I have 8 of them, not for sale. Allison

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Need data sheet for 1101 RAM, 8008

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Here's some information. It's a 256*1 bit PMOS static RAM, access time <850ns or better. It runs off +5V and -9V (as usual for PMOS). The pinout <is : That was the fast part. the lowcost part was 1.5us. it was very slow and in 1972 when I first encounterd it, they were $15 a copy too! < <1 A5 <2 A7 <3 A6 <4 Vd (-9V) <5 Vcc (+5V) <6 A4 <7 A0 <8 Vdd (-9V) <9 A2 <10 A1 <11 A3 <12 Data In <13 Data Out <14 Data Out/ <15 R/W <16 CS/ Correct. according to my data sheet. Allison

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attention MITS fiends . . .

by edick＠idcomm.com

My problem stems from the fact that there are WAY too many things for me to handle at once, Sam. You wanted me to pack the stuff and have it shipped via an economical method but which required me to package and haul the stuff some 45 miles to the airport area. I just haven't the resources (personal) or the time to do all this under my present circumstances. What's more, I've had to move TONS more stuff from the basement to the covered storage outside, and it's pissing my neighbors off. Some of them understand, but many don't. Now, if you can think of a workable way which doesn't involve a major outlay on my part, in advance of the fact, and doesn't involve many hours of packing and hauling time, mine, I mean, since I have to pack and haul from inside the house to outside, I'm listening, so to speak. Those ALTOS boxes I bought on your behalf are still in the car, by the way, but I can't open the trunk because I was rear-ended by an illegal alien with no insurance . . . In the meantime, I'm going through the just-now-moved stuff to ensure I don't expose otherwise sensitive and potentially fragile hardware to unfavorable conditions. What this amounts to is looking through the stuff I've had help to haul from the basement in the last day or two, in the dark, and examine it in the daylight, to ensure it retains some of its remaining worth, if I can do anything to that end. Keep in mind that I'm stressed to the MAX right now, because I have a new 30-hour-a-day, 8-day-per-week job for anew client, in addition to all this other headache. What's more, I'd like to avoid the exchange of dollars for anything other than expenses because of the accounting headaches that creates. I had this stuff in two sections of the basement because some of was known to be of some value and therefore worth preserving. That's of less concern to me now than it once was, but it is of some importance to me to avoid discarding the stuff in a way that will result in no benefit to anyone. I'm willing to ship, via USPS because I visit my P.O. box several times a week, those items I can easily ship. I have physical limitations which render me unable to lift items with much weight or raise my arms much above the level of my shoulders. I don't have a lot of boxes in which to ship things, nor do I have the time or the desire to shop for boxes and packaging materials. I would, of course, consider bagging a board or documentation, and taking it to Mailboxes, etc, to have them package and ship it at the expense of the recipient. However, I don't have lots of cash to invest in speculation on COD shipments. I can do this a little, but I have a boy at Harvard and one (who didn't want to go to MIT because his brother was already in Boston) at Georgia Tech. You know that's not free! The reason I decided to get into the pile of miscellaneous hardware and move it out is because I'm in the "proof of concept" stage with my new client and while packaging doesn't matter at this point, I do have to have hardware on which to implement the concepts and I no longer go out and buy, randomly, hardware which suits the task, first because it often doesn't and secondly because it ultimately winds up in "the pile." I doubt that you intended to publish this communique' but I'm also publishing my reply so I won't have to explain to every individual why I don't have inventory listings of all the stuff in "the pile" or in "the heap." This stuff is the product of over twenty five years' accumulation of hardware I bought at market price and which has not found another home . . . yet. I remember what some of this stuff cost, so I'm reluctant simply to toss it where it will produce no further value. Those old Apple-]['s still do, faithfully, the job they could do back in the '70's, though no better, and the CP/M boxes will still turn out the payroll, though not in color and without the fancy noises. I try to pass this stuff on to people who will get some benefit since it's worthless lying around unused. Clearly, you're in the business of distributing such items as we discussed before. I have no problem with that. I just can't afford to expend my limited resources making the business of getting these items moved to your venue convenient for you. Things were different two to three weeks ago, when I didn't have the trunk of my car sealed by the damage, and when I didn't have the problem of making room for additional residents in my house. As I've said before, I don't mind giving stuff away to someone who will use it. If I "get" something for it, I prefer it not take the form of cash, because of the tax-related bookkeeping hassles. As I pick my way through "the pile" looking for resources I can use for my present task, I'll make a list of what I see. In some cases, I'll know I have other parts, or documents, or whatever, which might "go with" these and probably won't have time to find them. I will however offer a partial list as time allows and as I go back inside to "take a load off." Does this make any sense to anyone? Dick ---------- > From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: attention MITS fiends . . . > Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 10:30 AM > > On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > I'm trying to make room for a child and her progeny in my basement, hence > > have moved some items into the carport . . . > > > > Since todays weather is good, I'm out sifting through the stuff looking for > > items of interest, and find I have a MITS modem board. > > > > Would this be of interest to anyone? > > Richard, what happened? > > You were going to consolidate all the stuff in the carport and then > determine a total shipping weight so I could figure out how much I owe you > for it. > > Now you are offering up bits & pieces to the list. I thought we'd already > had a deal on everything. > > I am very confused as to why you are doing this. > > Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Always hasslin' the man. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 02/15/99]

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Need data sheet for 1101 RAM, 8008

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Does anyone have the data sheets for the 1101 RAM and the Intel 8008? I need both. In the case of the 8008, an instruction set listing would also be cool. Anyone know where 1101 RAM chips are for sale (if at all?) Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Always hasslin' the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 02/15/99]

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Avail: 50-pin cables/rack-panel/connectors for unknown system

by ss＠allegro.com

Hi, (hoping this version makes it past the classiccmp filter :) Free to any home: (pick up in Cupertino, or pay shipping) two 5 meter (?) cables, with female 50 pin AMP connectors on both ends (three rows of holes: 17, 16, 17). The cables have tags reading: 422-0018-018 REV C RMH one 19" panel (about 1.5" high) with two male 60 pin connectors (matching the ones on the cables). These two connectors are wired to two long ribbon cables (3 meters?) that both end in 50 pin card connectors of some kind. The male connectors on the panel are labelled J1A and J1B. These were bundled into a surplus purchase, and have absolutely no connection with the computer I got! thanks, Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com

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attention MITS fiends . . .(NOW PACKING AND SHIPPING)

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

>Packing and shipping though is a straight forward problem, which I would >love to see a discussion of. > >Heavy old junk. >The only thing I see practical here is the personal transport option, stick >it in the trunk, back of the pickup, etc. I am curious about the creation >of some sort of hardware hitch hiker pool, so people going from one place >to another anyway, might consider hauling some junk for others besides >there own junk. With regards to shipping, here's my "magic" solution (like there is one) ;) Find an associate (friend, spouse, customer, etc.) who works somewhere that does a lot of shipping. These companies get HUGE discounts off shipping costs from folks like roadway, ups, etc. Then see if you can have them do the shipping in to their warehouse, and you pick it up from there. You of course offer to pay their shipping cost outright (still a huge savings for you off normal pricing) or you can setup a barter arrangement with the company (like helping with their PC network). Case in point - I'm having a pallet with a HP21MX rack, including 15231 power supply (heavy), cpu (somewhat heavy), and 7900A disk drive (VERY heavy) sent to St. Louis from California. Normal roadway shipping cost is around $695.00. However, a customer of mine does a lot of shipping and their cost from roadway is $195.00. I'm doing side consulting work for them to pay off their cost, but in a barter arrangement you could easily offer them a bit more work/time in trade than their cost for their trouble. That all being said, I've driven hundreds of miles to pick up something for my collection. But in a pinch, the above method can be better at times. I myself would be MOST interested in forming some type of hardware pickup arrangements with folks in other areas. I'll pickup stuff in my area for you - you do the same for me in your area. Then once every so often several of us could meet halfway to exchange the stuff for others and/or ourselves. Perhaps each person gets partial gas reimbursement if it's only equipment for others... who knows - I'm just throwing out ideas for all to throw stones at. FYI - I'm in St. Louis, MO - a nice central location, so I'd be happy to hold onto those 5 altairs and 8 imsai8080's for ya <grin - just kidding - I don't even collect micro's> Finally - I'm going to be in Irvine, CA (flying into LAX though) march 3,4,5, and a bit on saturday the 6th. Two questions - 1) Can anyone direct me to any favorite surplus/salvage stores in the area I can scavenge in my spare time while I'm out there? and 2) If anyone on this list is in the Irvine area, I'd be happy to buy ya a cup of coffee and exchange stories about when computers were real computers :) See ya! Jay West

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21mx system I bought...

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Ok folks - since everyone and their brother is asking.... Yes, I *DID* get a 21mx system from Berman today. However, that is not the 21mx system I was referring to in my post. I got two 21mx systems today, both from california (one from berman), but >from different places there. BTW - does anyone have HP 21mx M series cpus(2105a, 2108a, 2112a)? I'd be willing to trade 21mx E series cpu's for them. The E series I have are faster than the M's, and completely compatible (except for timing dependent program loops due to the faster speed). The software I want to run will run better on the M's - so... Let me know! Jay West

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question about viruses

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<The first article I ever read on computer viruses was in the Los Angeles <Times in 1986. In fact, I clipped and saved this article (and many <others) and still have it in a file folder laying on a shelf in my bedroom <closet. They are far older. <The author then accurately predicted the explosion of computer virus <attacks. In 1986 I was just playing around with computer timebombs on the <Apple ][ (one of my dumb friends actually used my program on an <unsuspecting fellow computer class student and got reamed out pretty good <by the teacher) but viruses were pretty scarce. A few years later and <they started to become a major nuisance. The first one I know of ram on TOPS-10 V3.x and was a monitor virus (using modern terms). It was a hack to open the security door. That done we created cancer that was a program that did nothing except copy itself. that was back around '71. There were telco virus as well in teh 70s with the advent of ESS. back in late '69 on a PDP-8I we ran a Trogen Hourse to get passwords and spoof people (written in pal-III!). Allison

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NEC APCIII - Any insights?

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Hi! My school has an old NEC APCIII. All I know about it is that it's an AMD 8086-2, and had a hard drive and floppy drive. What I want to know is if there is a way to make it boot from the floppy. I turn it on, it beeps, sits for about 2 minutes, says : DOS 2.11 command interpreter, then locks. it only beeps when a key is pressed. Any ideas on how to get into setup? -- -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1>

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Amiga 1000 boot ROM & Kickstart 27.5(!)

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, Are there any people who have Amiga 1000s on this list? If so, please contact me, even if you can't help directly with the things mentioned below. Boot ROM -------- Inside the A1000 there is a boot ROM whose purpose is to load Kickstart from disk. In normal use -- after Kickstart is loaded -- this ROM is not visible. I want to try and get the data from the boot ROM dumped to disk; it will be interesting to disassemble this and see how it works. To do this requires using a little trick (involving the RESET instruction), which only works when Fast RAM is present. I can write a program to hopefully allow the boot ROM data to be dumped. This would need to be run on an A1000 which has Fast RAM. Please let me know if you're interested in helping with this. Kickstart 27.5 and early Amiga demos ------------------------------------ Many years ago, I received a catalogue disk from an American company called Chiron Conceptions Public Domain, who used to advertise in Amiga World magazine. Listed there were some very early Amiga demos, used for the Amiga launch in 1985. They require a pre-1.0 Kickstart, version 27.5, to work. I would really like to get hold of any of these demos and Kickstart 27.5. Below is the listing from the PD catalogue. VERSION 27.5 DEMO DISKS ======================= CC-001 --VERSION 27.5 KICKSTART Prerelease version of Amiga Kickstart. Needed for some disks. (NOTE: Will not work on the Amiga 500 or 2000). CC-002 --AMIGA SHOW STOPPER PAK Includes two of the demos shown at the Amiga debut at Lincoln Center: Eagle Demo Watch the eagle as it swoops over the digitized mountain range. Listen to it's screams as it glides across your screen! An endless loop demo. Ballet Stills A series of superb digitized graphic stills of a ballerina. (NOTE:Requires Version 27.5 Kickstart (CC-001) and thus will not run on the Amiga 500 or 2000). CC-003 --ISLAND GRAPHICS DEMO SET A two disk set of graphics pictures and animations demonstrating the Amiga. Very nicely done. (Requires external disk drive & Version 27.5 Kickstart-(CC-001) and thus will not run on the Amiga 500 or 2000). CC-004 --ELECTRONIC ARTS GRAPHICS DEMO A two disk set demonstrating Amiga's music, graphic, and voice abilities. Includes digitized voice, scenes from EA's Amiga software, music, and digitized photos.(NOTE: Requires 2 drives, 512K, and Version 27.5 KickStart (CC-001) and thus will not run on the Amiga 500 or 2000). Regards, -- Mark

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Xerox 820 family almost complete

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Two questions: < <Is there still a source for 5.25 inch CP/M for the Xerox 820? That machine had a lot of mods and people working on it so I'd say likely. If you can fid the sources it's not that bad to edit and reassemble. <Was there ever a 5.25 inch floppy/ hard drive combo offered? Unknown on that but I'd bet yes. Allison

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here's the list . . .

by edick＠idcomm.com

It has been about 20 years since I was involved with the AMI chip, but I do recall that the AMI version is a superset of the MOT version. It has features not present in the MOT part. I rather doubt they are interchangeable without firmware modifications. AMI also made a few parts for the MOT processor family which MOT themselves never got around to building. One example is the 6834, which is a two-ported RAM, I believe. It was intended for communication between multiple processors in a system, but MOT really didn't implement this until they put out the 68121, which was apparently intended as an intelligent peripheral controller for an MC68000 family processor. The '121 was a 6803 with a built-in 6834. The part's use was envisioned in a rather narrow way and, hence never saw much popularity, as it was difficult to use in any way outside this narrow scope. I'll see if I can find an old AMI databook . . . Dick ---------- > From: Arlen Michaels <amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: RE: here's the list . . . > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 12:02 PM > > On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> wrote: > > > >> BIOTECH ELECTRONICS BCT800 graphics board - uses AMI 68047 chip and 12 > > > > Erm, sounds like that AMI chip is a clone of Motorola's 6847 VDG, which > > was > > used in Tandy's CoCo 1 & 2, and the MC-10. > > > > I wonder: > > > > 1) if they're pin compatible, > > 2) if they've got added functionality -- might be fun to play with in one > > of my CoCo's if there is! > > > It's quite likely that AMI's 68047 is a clone of Motorola's 6847, because > AMI used to supply pin-for-pin equivalents of a number of Motorola > 6800-family devices, including the 6821 Peripheral Interface Adapter and the > 6850 Asynchronous Communications Interface Adapter. The 68047 and 6847 are > both 40-pin chips, but I don't have an AMI datasheet handy. > > Arlen > > -- > Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com

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PDP-8 Handbooks

by dpeschel＠u.washington.edu

Kevin's message propelled me to look through our library catalog for all the DEC handbooks we have. (I already sent the list to him.) That made me think of a question I've had for a while. Megan or Allison, maybe you know the answer? You two seem to have vast collections of manuals. Our library has volume 1 of a two-volume _Introduction to Programming_ set. I've always wondered what was in the other volume. (It covers details of the languages supported on the PDP-8.) But I've never seen the two-volume set anywhere else, just a one-volume book. And while I'm at it... We have the OS/8 handbook as well. I've never been clear on what the different versions of OS/8 are, so I don't know how early or late our handbook is. The OS/8 book does mention using a TD8E system, which requires either 12K of RAM or a special ROM page. Unfortunately, the Intro to Programming handbook doesn't explain how the ROM is installed. The programming handbook is specific to the 8/E, but it omits a lot of details about customizing your 8/E. I do understand that the TD8E was a total corner-cutting move -- it shifted the burden of getting the bits off the tape from the hardware to the software, right? -- and is universally regarded as a disgrace. -- Derek

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DEC Handbooks - information please.

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

I am trying to compile a pictoral history of DEC handbooks. The tentative title is a Handbook of DEC Handbooks. Trying to find a definitive list of all such publications is proving to be very difficult. The Compaq-version of DEC is still very much unorganized. The Smithsonian is doing their best, as is Charles Babbage Institute, and TCM is next on the contact list, but please consider helping. I believe the list can only be compiled through grass-roots channels. If you have any DEC handbooks, please send an email directly to me with the titles and dates of publication. Please only send a message if you have the title, not just if you sort'a know it might exist. I'll publish the list on my web site. Thank you all. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca +1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5 Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles. Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers & Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6 .

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PDP-8 Handbooks

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Our library has volume 1 of a two-volume _Introduction to Programming_ >set. I've always wondered what was in the other volume. (It covers >details of the languages supported on the PDP-8.) But I've never seen >the two-volume set anywhere else, just a one-volume book. The second volume was the _programming languages_ handbook. >And while I'm at it... We have the OS/8 handbook as well. I've never >been clear on what the different versions of OS/8 are, so I don't know >how early or late our handbook is. I'm afraid I can't speak to that... when I first used a pdp-8, it was with 4k and an ASR33 -- it took too long to load editor, then assembler, then linker by low speed paper tape, so we learned really quickly how to hand-code and toggle the programs in through the front panel. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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xenodisk?

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

I've heard Xenodisk bandied about a lot. Would someone tell me what it is? -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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CRT handling Was: Re: It's ALIVE!

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> I have worked on various appliances ,electrical devices and/or wiring > most of my life, close to 50 years, and I have been "bitten" on occasion. > Of course, except for stoves and dryers, the voltage here is 110 v. I can > understand the respect given to 220v.(3wire) and have never worked on > anything at that voltage without shutting down the circuit. I have also been > very cautious about working on anything in damp conditions like in a > washroom or wet basement. I realize that it is the total amperage that kills > when you become ground. Most household circuits here are 15-20 amps. > Having been "bitten" to no ill effects other than by my reaction to the shock, > what are the parameters which would kill you on these circuits. e.g. rubber > soled shoes vs leather, etc. There is a common misconception that the amperage is what kills you. That is simply not true. At low frequency (50-60HZ) and DC, the human body is a simple resistive circuit and will obey OHMS law E=I*R. It is impossible to have one without the other! IIRC a current of approx 100MA through the trunk of the body is enough to stop the heart. If you measure the resistance of your body and plug those factors in the foumula, you'll get an idea of how much voltage it takes to kill you. The internal body parts actually have a fairly low electrical resistance. This is because your body is filled with fluids that are somewhat conductive. Most of the bodys resistance is due to the insulating properties of your skin. Dry skin is a relatively poor conductor of electricity but, when it is dampened the resistance becomes much lower. That is why medical probes have a conductive jelly on them. The electrolyte in the jelly breaks down the resistance of the skin and provides a better path for current into the body. A cars battery is capable of producing 100s of amperes of current however, it won't fry you. When you touch the poles of the battery, the amount of current (determined by the formula above), is very low and generally cannot be felt. However, if your hands are damp, you could get a minor electrical shock from it. NOTE: A shock from DC is a burning sensation rather than the "vibrating" sensation of 60HZ curent. There are a couple of ways to getting shocked when working on appliances. Some more dangerous than others. If you are working on a device and not well insulated from the ground, there is a current path from your hand through your trunk (and heart) directly to the ground. If you are foolish enough to stand in water while doing this, the resistance through the soles of your feet is much lower and the potential of a fatal shock is greater. Thick rubber soled shoes like tennis shoes and isolation transformers are the best protection here. If you are working with both hands, it is very possible to get zapped from hand to hand. Once again the current path is directly through the trunk (heart) of the body and is quite dangerous. That is why many electricians work with in hand in their pocket. A shock that is isolated to one hand could be painful but, isn't nearly as dangerous. The worst shock that I have received was working on a antenna for a HF transmitter. I was dumb enough to leave the equipment running while adjusting the antenna and someone keyed the transmitter from a remote location. A high frequency shock (like DC) is a burning sensation and I had the blisters to prove it. Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Xerox 820 family almost complete

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 10:45 PM 2/23/99 -0800, George wrote: >Is there still a source for 5.25 inch CP/M for the Xerox 820? > Will the CPM for the 803 or one of the other models work on the 820? Does anyone know what the capability is between the various Televiedo models? Joe

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Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Whee! it's finally here! I got my vaxstation 3100 from Tim in the mail today! It's a Vaxstation 3100 model 42 a-bd with a mighty 8 megs of ram. It works, too! Tim thoughtfully loaded VMS 6.01 on the rz23 it came with, and after hooking it up to my apple2GS with spectrum (also a classic computer :) I got the thing to boot up into VMS. VERY cool. :) Wishing it had TCP-IP, but heck, if it had *everything* I want on it, where would the challenge be? :) By the by, after attempting to negotiate with Sydex about a single user license for Teledisk pro (the 150 dollar license they sell is a 25 user site license) and failing, I've resolved not to do business with them again and have removed Teledisk 2.16 (which turned out to be a hacked version) >from my system as well as 22disk, which is their utility for copying to and >from CPM disks. Good software, but not worth what they want for it. It's DOS mode software for pete's sake. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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here's the list . . .

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> wrote: > >> BIOTECH ELECTRONICS BCT800 graphics board - uses AMI 68047 chip and 12 > > Erm, sounds like that AMI chip is a clone of Motorola's 6847 VDG, which > was > used in Tandy's CoCo 1 & 2, and the MC-10. > > I wonder: > > 1) if they're pin compatible, > 2) if they've got added functionality -- might be fun to play with in one > of my CoCo's if there is! > It's quite likely that AMI's 68047 is a clone of Motorola's 6847, because AMI used to supply pin-for-pin equivalents of a number of Motorola 6800-family devices, including the 6821 Peripheral Interface Adapter and the 6850 Asynchronous Communications Interface Adapter. The 68047 and 6847 are both 40-pin chips, but I don't have an AMI datasheet handy. Arlen -- Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com

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CRT handling Was: Re: It's ALIVE!

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Upon the date 04:35 PM 2/22/99 -0500, R. Stricklin (kjaeros) said something like: >On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, William Donzelli wrote: > >> Post 1960 CRTs are actually quite tough and will sustain a great deal of >> physical abuse. When they break, the neck shatters first and lets all the >> air in. The days of the nasty implosions due to no safety glass are gone. > >Hm. You're certain? I have this disembodied memory of seeing a box in my >parents' shed in the early '80s, with an implosion hazard warning >emblazoned on. I'm fairly sure it was the box for their old TRS-80 Model >III, but it is possible it belonged to their Zenith TV they'd just bought. > >Maybe it was just a bozo-warning. Yes it probably was a bozo-warning (I like that expression. Gotta remember it. :) I've handled CRTs since I was 11 or 12 (33-34 yrs ago). There were those that were dead and had to be disposed of from a set I was repairing. When throwing them into the town dump (that's back in the days before controlled landfills and waste management laws, etc.) I was able to observe that they would take quite a whack on the side of the large part of the envelope before they broke. BUT, when they did break, the implosion caused glass pieces to fly several meters distant. On the other hand, when just the neck got broke, there was usually a definite, brief "chufff" sound when the air rushed into the envelope and no other drastic action. Here's a story to illustrate effects of an implosion: Back when I was getting more and more into TV repairs during my 17th summer, there was a dead 19" 110 degree deflection CRT that I had to get rid of. It was setting on the ledge of the basement foundation wall. Dad was helping me sort out and haul some junk to the dump. That CRT had to go in that load. Dad figured he could simply break up that tube to save space on the load as we were using the rather small family car to haul it (a '65 Corvair). Well, as he'd never himself broke a CRT nor even seen what happens during an implosion he was unaware of the "proper" way to bust one up. He held a corrugated box under the edge of the wall where the tube was sitting, grabbed a hammer and gave the side of the envelope a firm whack. Naturally, just as I started to say "Don't hit it there!!", the deed was done. At least knew enough to hold his eyes closed. A few minutes later, after we both picked the broken glass out of our hair, we observed that the largest piece of that tube was not even the size of a fist. Mom came running downstairs and asked what in the world was going on with that loud 'bang' and glass shattering sounds. Took a while to get the place cleaned up. And you can bet that my mother was there watching us to make darn sure we _did_ clean it up well. Just understand the neck of a CRT is not so fragile to just break while twisting a yoke after its clamp is loosened. Use common sense while working around a CRT. Don't work in a tight area where you could turn around and accidentally bump the neck with your elbow. Have plenty room around the monitor while on the table or workbench. Don't drop tools onto the CRT (happened to me once --and _only_ once!). Careful of getting zapped by any unprotected parts of the yoke while under power and rotating it (you could jerk around and bump the neck). There usually is a part of the plastic yoke body with which you gould grasp while rotating. The high voltage lead going to the ultor connection on the side of the envelope handles about 15 to 18 thousand volts for a monochrome monitor. Don't get close to the lead or especially the ultor connection. Following these hints should help anybody here get through a simple yoke adjustment like this. Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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Address for John Healy

by dogas＠leading.net

John, I lost your email address and would like to contact you. Please drop me a note. Thanks - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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TCP/IP for DEC Pro's

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>My DEC Pro has an ethernet card (DECNA) and POS has Pro/DECnet freely available. >As far as I can tell, there isn't any TCP/IP software for it. (But, if someone >knows of any, please let us know!). If you abandon POS, and instead install RT-11 (the best way, of course, is to buy RT-11 5.7, with all the Y2K hooks for the Pro realtime clock), you can put Alan Baldwin's TCP/IP for RT-11 on it quite easily. See http://shop-pdp.kent.edu/ (itself a RT-11 machine with a http server) for details. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Hans Franke?

by edick＠idcomm.com

I saw a line from him just a couple of days ago. Dick ---------- > From: Sellam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Hans Franke? > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 4:21 AM > > > Did Hans Franke die or something? I haven't heard even a peep from that > loquacious Bavarian in a while. > > Maybe John Zabolitzky has heard from him in the past few weeks? > > Christian, do you have his telephone number by any chance? > > Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Always hasslin' the man. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 02/15/99]

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DEC handbooks

by mbg＠world.std.com

However, that faux-pax (sp?) leads me into letting people know that I have been working on compiling a list of all the DEC handbooks (pdp-8, pdp-11, vaxen, whatever) that I have, along with as much information about each that I can glean... If you check my home_systems page, there will be a link off of it to the list... So far, the earliest handbook I've found in my collection is a 1967 small computer handbook. Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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DEC Handbooks - information please.

by mbg＠world.std.com

Whoops... sorry about that... it was meant to go to someone from the list, not the list itself... Megan

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DEC Handbooks - information please.

by mbg＠world.std.com

Hi -- I just sent you my latest list. While compiling it, I noticed that it appears as though some books were published by various groups. Like the IBG (Installed base group), LDP (Laboratory data products group), the Logic Products Group, and educational services -- to name a few. I may have to go back through my collection so far and see if I can determine this information for each of the books... Megan

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Hans Franke?

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Did Hans Franke die or something? I haven't heard even a peep from that loquacious Bavarian in a while. Maybe John Zabolitzky has heard from him in the past few weeks? Christian, do you have his telephone number by any chance? Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Always hasslin' the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 02/15/99]

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Commodore and the Hyperion

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

Hi people! Somebody brought my web page to the attention of ex-Commodore engineer George Robbins (as seen in the "Deathbed Vigil" video ;) ), and he had something interesting to say about the Hyperion: GR> Commodore actually bought rights to the Hyperion design and there were GR> a couple floating around West Chester. The design served as the basis GR> for the first 8088 based PC-clones that Commodore manufactured, though GR> they ended up in normal desktop cases. The next generation was based GR> much more directly on the IBM PC's (probably for 100% compatibility) GR> then we started making our own customer chips/asic to get the cost down GR> before switching to industry standard "chipsets" for 286-486 designs. GR> In the end it was cheaper to just buy and resell clones from HK. GR> GR> On of my tasks at Commodore before the Amiga stuff took over was to GR> make a comparison of the Hyperion design and our current PC design to GR> "prove" that we weren't using any of the Hyperion proprietary design GR> features and there was no reason we should continue paying them GR> royalties on every PC we sold. 8-) As for the Commodore Hyperion in Jim Brain's Canonical List of Commodore Computer Equipment, Mr. Robbins was only able to say that maybe Commodore Canada sold Hyperions with the Commodore label as part of the deal. He has no direct knowledge of Commodore selling Hyperions in the form that Dynalogic made them. Does anyone on this list have a Commodore-branded Hyperion? -- Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/

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Whats a uVax II worth these days?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Anybody want to trade a MicroVax II in the original "wide body" side car (on wheels no less) for a PDP-8 (any model) ? --Chuck

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Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, 24 February 1999 17:23 Subject: Re: Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk) >CMUIP doesn't have working NFS, No it doesn't, technically, I believe there are unofficial patches that partially fix it, though I'm not sure how well. >and it's been my experience that the FTP included with it is less than stellar. Last version is somewhat better, however the Madgoat FTP offering is infinitely superior. (And still freeware) >Personally I'd like to see OpenVMS (VAX/Alpha), NAS-150, Motif, and the >languages at a minimum made available for hobbiests. Let's face it, they >need as many people as possible running the stuff. Seconded. Lack of (amongst other things) a C compiler (Gcc is not fabulous under VMS imho) is a major headache, and the Decpaq pricing structure is not likely to encourage private ownership. Access to UCX for hobbyist users would also be a good thing, but I think the Motif problem is not going to be that easy, as it involves crosslicensing from elsewhere, which means it would cost Decpaq money to give away hobbyist licenses. That this would undoubtably be a PR victory for them may not be sufficient incentive. That's my understanding of the situation anyway. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

-----Original Message----- From: Michael Grigoni <msg(a)computerpro.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, 24 February 1999 15:18 Subject: Re: Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk) >Jim Strickland wrote: >> >> Whee! it's finally here! I got my vaxstation 3100 from Tim in the mail today! >> It's a Vaxstation 3100 model 42 a-bd with a mighty 8 megs of ram. >> >> It works, too! Tim thoughtfully loaded VMS 6.01 on the rz23 ... > >We've had to keep our clock set back to preserve our VMS and TCP/IP >and NFS and numerous other packages... > >Anyone have a clue as to how we can preserve the software without >moving to some 'hobby' license of a newer VMS? They have expiring licenses then? I must have got lucky, all my VMS boxen have everlasting ones. The only expiring license I ever saw on any of my systems was one for RDB (I think). Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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Tektronix 4051 magic mode found!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Try "Exec". I don't have any details of how to use it, sorry. Let me know what you find out. Joe

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teledisk (forward of their e-mail to me)

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Sorry for the long, yucky forward, but I thought I'd save folks time negotiating with these people. I basically feel they're being petulant about how nobody registered teledisk (which I understand, I guess, but can't understand why they won't *sell* me a single user copy). Note that this is in reverse chronological order, with the most recent note first. My reply to this was "thank you for your time, I will be deleting teledisk from my system." I can't fault Ms St. Clair for being unfriendly or unhelpful, just her company for being stupid. And I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $150 dollars for a 25 user site license of software that has to run in a DOS window. -Jim > From miriam(a)sydex.com Mon Feb 22 11:45:01 1999 > Message-ID: <199902221038530000.00B8538A(a)10.0.0.254> > X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.40 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:38:53 -0800 > From: "Miriam W. St. Clair" <miriam(a)sydex.com> > To: jim(a)calico.litterbox.com > Subject: Re: Information Request: general > > 22 February 1999 > > Dear Mr. Strickland, > > TeleDisk was removed from shareware precisely because fewer than 1% of > its (often hobbyist) users were willing to purchase a registered > copy--but all of them were quite willing to call for support. Version > 2.12 was the last available shareware release, and it will not run > properly in an MS-DOS session under Windows 95/98 nor on most Pentium > systems. Sydex discontinued the distribution of Version 2.12 in early > 1991 when TeleDisk was dropped from our shareware product line. We do > not offer any kind of support for this release. Quite frankly, we're > surprised at the number of people who expect a 1990 hardware-sensitive > DOS product to run under Windows 95 on Pentium systems. > > The 25-user license for TeleDisk Pro is a site license, and it may be > used only at one specified location. > > As I mentioned earlier, CopyQM will handle a number of unusual formats. > You need to work in MS-DOS command-prompt mode, with DIRECT hardware > access, and in BLIND mode. We've made numerous copies of various CP/M > diskettes here using CopyQM in the manner described, so please give it > a try. > > That's the best we can do this time. Again, we regret the > circumstances that make it impossible for us to offer TeleDisk Pro for > shareware registration fees. > > Regards, > > Miriam W. St.Clair > for Sydex, Inc. > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 2/22/99, at 11:07 AM, Jim Strickland wrote: > > >> 22 February 1999 > >> > >> Dear Mr. Strickland, > >> > >> What you found is definitely hacked, so all bets are off. 22DISK > has > >> the less expensive price since it's still a shareware product, and > >> since its users have pretty much supported it by registering > (although > >> we've seen big negative changes in this practice over the last > couple > >> of years). TeleDisk was removed from shareware distribution in > 1991, > >> and we've sold it ever since as a commercial product. I'm very > sorry > >> that we cannot offer a single-user price now. > > > >How unfortunate. Considering the general standardization of disk > formats in > >the last couple years - ie macs read PC disks, pcs read mac disks and > not much > >else is out there - I would have thought the hobbiest market was one > you would > >pursue with this product. A question. If I went ahead and bought the > 25 user > >license, would it then be legitimate to share it with 24 of my > hobbiest friends > >? > > > > > > > >> You might try one more thing before you give up the hobby entirely. > >> Pick up the evaluation copy of CopyQM from our Web site. Use it > under > >> straight MS-DOS (no Windows, please for this particular use), and > see > >> if it will make copies of your Kaypro diskettes in BLIND mode. This > >> might work, and CopyQM can still be purchased for a shareware > >> registration fee. > > > >Thanks for this information. I'll give it a try. Unfortunately the > de-facto > >standard for this kind of thing seems to be teledisk 2.12, which won't > run > >properly on my windows machine. > > > > > ================== > Miriam W. St. Clair > Sydex, Inc. > P.O. Box 5700 > Eugene, OR 97405 > USA > Voice: 1 541 683 6033 > FAX: 1 541 683 1622 > Email: miriam(a)sydex.com > WWW: http:/www.sydex.com > -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Data Products Portacom model PC 8110

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Does anyone have any information about a Data Products Portacom terminal? This is a very old printing terminal (i think it was purchased in 1973) that weights over 30 pounds and is built into a black carrying case (sort of like an attache case, er, make that more like a American Tourister...) It has a teletype like ribbon, and it prints in a strange manner. the printhead is behind the page of paper, with 8 rows of 8 characters on a hexagonal horizontal rod. Its very hard to describe, since the entire device is full of somewhat bizarre mechanical parts. I really wish I had a expensive camera that could take closeup shots of stuff like this. -Lawrence LeMay

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Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<with my network is to have another machine that talks both DECnet and TCP/I <Apparently, there is a Linux DECnet, but Zane has been having trouble getti <it to work. Another possibility is a VAXstation that talks both DECnet an <TCP/IP. < <So, is this possible? Will the hobbyist VMS do it? Or will Ultrix do it? <What is the smallest *VAX* that will do this? Note that I don't think I <require any routing between the protocols. I would be happy just to be abl <to transfer files to/from my TCP/IP network to the *VAX* and to be able to <independently transfer files to/from my Pro using DECnet. Yes it's possible. A vs2000 with a RD54 and VMS 5.3->6.1 and CMU-IP. and you have what you need. VS2000 is about the smallest vaxen made at around .5cuft. The alternate is a copy of ultrix with decnet but finding that may be harder. Routing is not an issue if they are both end nodes in the same DECNET area. Generally this is something VAXen do well. Allison

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Vax! (and epilogue on teledisk)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<It works, too! Tim thoughtfully loaded VMS 6.01 on the rz23 it came with, <after hooking it up to my apple2GS with spectrum (also a classic computer : <I got the thing to boot up into VMS. VERY cool. :) < <Wishing it had TCP-IP, but heck, if it had *everything* I want on it, <where would the challenge be? :) Get the CMU-IP stack off the net. You may have kermit in the basic 6.01 install. Allison

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International Data Sciences, model 1310 modem test set

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Does anyone have any information about the modem test set listed in the subject line? This unit is dated from 1980, and uses 3 Nixie tubes for displaying an error count, or blocks analyzed. It can go as high as 9600 baud, or as low as 75 baud, including popular rates such as 134.5 and 150... -Lawrence LeMay

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It's ALIVE!

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Well, thanks to everyone with good suggestions, and especially thanks to Don for providing the boot disk image, I've been able to get the kaypro 4/84 to boot! It came up in conversation that there were later versions of teledisk, and after some heavy web searching I found one on a page for synthesiser users that works with my computer in a dos window, even. I guess I'll have to register it now. For reference, it's version 2.16. So now it's off to Oak for nifty apps, I guess. :) I do have another question: the image on my kaypro's screen is somewhat cockeyed. Is there an easy fix for this? -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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DEC Handbooks - information please.

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I have the clasic... > > _introduction to programming_ 1972 I have several copies of that one, along with several copies of the second classic book (the yellow-covered one, I forget the title right now). I also have the thin Focal programming book. Most are not out of boxes right now, but I have a few within reach. _pdp11 handbook_ This isn't the oldest one, since it mentions both the 11/20 and the 11/10, but it is old - 1970. _processor handbook_ (pdp11/20,15,r20) 1972 _processor handbook_ (pdp11/45, 1973 signed by Gordon Bell _peripherals handbook_ 1973-74 _pdp11/60 processor handbook_ 1977-78 EB-06498-76 _pdp11 processor handbook_ (pdp11/04/24/34a/44/7-0) 1981 EB-19402-20/81 (copyright 1981) EB-19402-20/85 (copyright 1985) (slightly thinner book) _peripherals handbook_ 1981-82 EB-20443-20 _pdp-11 Architecture Handbook_ 1983-84 EB-23657-18 _pdp-11 MICRO/PDP-11 Handbook_ 1983-84 EB-24944-18 >Actually I have a good selection of the late 70s throuth the 80s PDP-11 >hardware books. At one point, I got myself on an automatic distribution list for any new handbooks... it was great. >One set I have it the two volume white books: > > LSI-11 Systems Service Manual (for field sevice) Yep, I have that also... Plus, the three binder set: LSI-11 Systems Service Manual Volume I - Systems Options Volume II - Module Options A-K Volume III - Module Options L-Z EK-LSIFS-SV And the seven volume set (currently in my office) on communications devices... I have an old DOS/Batch manual (the 8.5" by 11" by 2.5" thick manual and some old pdp-10 manuals as well (from 1970). I'm going to have to catalog them... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Introduction

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Cameron Kaiser <ckaiser(a)oa.ptloma.edu> wrote: > This made me think of something. How many AMOS (Alpha Micro OS) users are > there in the audience? The Salvation Army for years used 68K AMOS-based > servers for local corps networks (with dummy terminals in the offices). > AMOS > BASIC, yech! > I've rescued an Alpha Micro 1042E. It's S-100, 68K, multiuser, running AMOS. I don't have any docs and the only software is what's already installed on its hard drive. In fact, I don't see any obvious way to get software into or out of it: there's no floppy drive. But there is a board to backup files to a vcr (yup, a video cassette recorder). Interesting. -- Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com

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Here's an odd item to look at!

by cswiger＠wilma.widomaker.com

>There is an interesting item up for sale on e-bay right now, for all you >altair collectors. For the life of me, it looks like someone made a >portable altair 8800. Just have to comment that: The keyboard looks exactly like one Shadio Rack sold as a kit (&these fingers did a *lot* of typing on ) - they must have been readily available to be used in the TVT also. That was the parallel kbrd I'd like to find a replacement for. Seems I recall, was is Don Lancaster had a whole 'TV Typewriter Cookbook'? FInd one of those cheap and make your own, complete with 'page 1/2' toggle switch, pushbutton scrolling, hehe. Chuck cswiger(a)widomaker.com

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Textfiles.com

by max82＠surfree.com

Slashdot today reported on an apparently new site, www.textfiles.com. It is a huge archive of various plain-text files, some classic-computer related, and certainly PC Clone related. --Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)

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Fw: Anyone interested in tons of various PDP-11/780 and 785 boards

by netcafe＠pirie.mtx.net.au

following posted in alt.folklore.computers. I'm sure some of the list members will be interested..... It's times like this I almost wish I lived in America..... -----Original Message----- From: Kent Rankin <srao(a)usit.net> Newsgroups: vmsnet.pdp-11,comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms,alt.folklore.computers Date: Monday, 22 February 1999 17:49 Subject: Anyone interested in tons of various PDP-11/780 and 785 boards > I know of a metal scrapper in VA that has tons of PDP(/VAX)-11/780 >and 11/785 in his yard. With them are lots of other boxes(CDC, IBM, >Intergraph, etc.). > > The PDP-11/78x's are packed with boards, all the way across. A >fellow that was with me, when I checked them out, used to work for >Intergraph(when they used PDP-11 and VAX) said that they all had 32MB of >RAM. > > My question here lies with the acquisition of them. Would anyone be >willing to pay some cash for them? The fellow is having a hard >year(making much less than normal), and could use some help. The way I >figure it, someone might need some of the boards. Just a shot in the >dark, really. > > There are also some "floating point accelerators". They are made by >Floating Point Systems. > > Tons of Power Supplies for the PDP's(H7-somethingorothers). Loads >of hard drives and stuff. > > Anyhow, if anyone can help on this one, do tell me. > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Kent Rankin Geoff Roberts Computer Room Internet Cafe Port Pirie South Australia. netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au

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Info on Storage Dimensions SCSI external drives needed

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

I just obtained (and I shouldn't have) a nice unit. It is an externla case made for 2 external drives, ith 2 full height 760mb SCSI hard drives enclosed. Of course I've already been inside of it - what would everyoe think of me if I hadn't been? Anyway, it's a Storage Solutions (of San Jose, CA) model LAN2-1300S2PX and I was wondering if anyone else has one, dealt with one, or has actual tech/users manuals they might be nice enough to photocopy. No. I haven't tried to contact this company yet but I will later today. Thanks for any help in advance.

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here's the list . . .

by zmerch＠30below.com

Once upon a midnight dreary, Arlen Michaels had spoken clearly: > On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: >> BIOTECH ELECTRONICS BCT800 graphics board - uses AMI 68047 chip and 12 >> 2114's to produce 256x192 graphics and text. >> >I have an _unassembled_ kit for the BIOTECH card, but I'd love to get a >copy of the documents, which I lack, and any software that accompanied it. Erm, sounds like that AMI chip is a clone of Motorola's 6847 VDG, which was used in Tandy's CoCo 1 & 2, and the MC-10. I wonder: 1) if they're pin compatible, 2) if they've got added functionality -- might be fun to play with in one of my CoCo's if there is! See ya, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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here's the list . . .

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: <wonderful list shortened--drool, drool> > Processor Technology "CUTS" cassette interface? board > > BIOTECH ELECTRONICS BCT800 graphics board - uses AMI 68047 chip and 12 > 2114's to produce 256x192 graphics and text. > I have an _unassembled_ kit for the BIOTECH card, but I'd love to get a copy of the documents, which I lack, and any software that accompanied it. I DO have documents for the Processor Tech CUTS board, if that's needed. <more great stuff> > Morrow Thinker Toys "Switchboard" Serial/Parallel I/O board - with doc's > I could use this to keep my much-appreciated Morrow Keyed-Up 8080 Cpu Card company. > in addition to the S-100 stuff, there are numerous 4-and 9-slot Multibus I > cardcages and several memory boards, floppy and hard disk interface cards, > and a few iSBC's I don't intend to keep. > I've also got some Multibus stuff. Is anyone into this? -- Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com

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Big Board cpm system board (fwd)

by edick＠idcomm.com

Well . . . it's not MY kid that moving in, but the dog is glad . . . you can count on that! Dick ---------- > From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Big Board cpm system board (fwd) > Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 1:11 PM > > At 08:47 AM 2/22/99 -0700, Dick said: > > > >Now that my kids are gone I've got to nag at someone. > > > Gee, I'll bet you're glad one of them is moving back in! > > Joe

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FWD: Anyone interested in tons of various PDP-11/780 and 785 boards

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Hey big and little iron fans: Found this in the ng comp.os.vms under title "Anyone interested in tons of various PDP-11/780 and 785 boards". Looks like the scrapper mentioned has some interesting stuff in addition to DEC which he may sell just for scrap price if the price is right. A few of you are from down in VA area I believe. Comments? Was posted to several other ng's too. On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:19:31 GMT, Kent Rankin <srao(a)usit.net> wrote: > I know of a metal scrapper in VA that has tons of PDP(/VAX)-11/780 >and 11/785 in his yard. With them are lots of other boxes(CDC, IBM, >Intergraph, etc.). > > The PDP-11/78x's are packed with boards, all the way across. A >fellow that was with me, when I checked them out, used to work for >Intergraph(when they used PDP-11 and VAX) said that they all had 32MB of >RAM. > > My question here lies with the acquisition of them. Would anyone be >willing to pay some cash for them? The fellow is having a hard >year(making much less than normal), and could use some help. The way I >figure it, someone might need some of the boards. Just a shot in the >dark, really. > > There are also some "floating point accelerators". They are made by >Floating Point Systems. > > Tons of Power Supplies for the PDP's(H7-somethingorothers). Loads >of hard drives and stuff. > > Anyhow, if anyone can help on this one, do tell me. > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Kent Rankin > Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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Apollo Cartridge Tapes

by ss＠allegro.com

Hi, I've got five Apollo cartridge tapes that might be of interest to Apollo collectors: 1) System Release Ver SR10.1 RAI (three tapes) 015366 (and 015367, and 015368) REV. 00 CRTG_STD_SFW_1 (and _2 and _3) 2) 015365 REC.00 CRTG_STD_SFW_BOOT_1 SYSTEM RELEASE VER SR10.1 RAI 3) (hand written label) SPE VER 1.3 SOURCE AREA If you're interested, let me know. sieler(a)allegro.com

27 years, 1 month

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Big Board cpm system board (fwd)

by edick＠idcomm.com

Nope . . . yours was a "typergeographical" error . . . I was referring to the OTHER email . . . the one you had received . . . we all suffer from that "rented finger" syndrome from time to time . . . the other author didn't know when to quit, e.g. "flopy" and "frammed." Now that my kids are gone I've got to nag at someone. Dick ---------- > From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Big Board cpm system board (fwd) > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 9:35 PM > > On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > Maybe it would be well to send this fellow a spell-checker . . . ? > > I think I am the one with the 'fumble-fingers'! > > - don > > > ---------- > > > From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> > > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > > Subject: Big Board cpm system board (fwd) > > > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 8:52 PM > > > > > > > > > Iredeived the following e-mail today. Anyone interested should reply > > > directly to the original sender. > > > - don

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Here's an odd item to look at!

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Does anyone has an ALTAIR sticker that they don't need? I'm trying to get rid of a C64 and would like to get lots of money for it. Francois PS: ;) -----Original Message----- From: Noel Fields <nfields(a)ix.netcom.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 4:01 PM Subject: Here's an odd item to look at! >There is an interesting item up for sale on e-bay right now, for all you >altair collectors. For the life of me, it looks like someone made a >portable altair 8800. > >Is that what it is? Or is this just a part of an altair (I'm curious now!) > >Here is the address for those interested.. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=69787811 > >Noel >

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It's ALIVE!

by ddameron＠earthlink.net

Hi All, At 04:21 PM 2/22/99 -0500, William wrote: > >As far as actually handling a tube - no they really are not very >dangerous. If one makes sure to drain any high voltage points (twice for >each, at least), follow all of the other high voltage advice already given >(and probably in the FAQ), and do not drop the tube, you will be fine. >Post 1960 CRTs are actually quite tough and will sustain a great deal of >physical abuse. When they break, the neck shatters first and lets all the >air in. The days of the nasty implosions due to no safety glass are gone. > There may be safety glass on the front, but the back sure can implode, not just the neck. I once had a b/w TV CRT face down in a open cardboard box and something heavy fell on it :-(. That's one way to learn not to put one into that position again. -Dave

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DEC Handbooks - information please.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> > I am trying to compile a pictoral history of DEC handbooks. The tentati <> <> Besides the ones everybody has, I have an early DEC handbook: <> Digital Logic Handbook, Sept 1960 <> <> -- Doug < <That's got me beat: I've got 1967-68, but nothing older. I have the clasic... _introduction to programming_ 1972 I've seen older copies but mine is in good shape. Others include the ubiquitous: Small Computer handbook 1973 Pdp-11 peripheral handbook 1973-74 Microcomputer handbook 1976-77 Actually I have a good selection of the late 70s throuth the 80s PDP-11 hardware books. One set I have it the two volume white books: LSI-11 Systems Service Manual (for field sevice) Allison

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My Lucky Day PS MINC

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Either LSI11/03 or 11/23 CPU card M7264 or M8186, respectively >64K RAM (I forget the name - it's the standard M8044 card - is that an >MSV11?). Maybe more than one on an 11/23 system MSV11-D was 32KW (64KB) Ram (up to 4 can be used) >DLV11-J quad serial port (one for the console, 3 for the user) M8043 >LPV11 printer port M8027 >IBV11 GPIB interface Don't remember off-hand... there was no standard RT-11 device handler for it... >Either RXV11 (RX01 floppy drives), RXV21 (RX02 floppy drives) or RLV11 >(hard disk) controller RXV11 M7946 RXV21 M8029 RLV11 M8013/M8014 (Q/CD) >In the far left slot there's a BDV11 boot/terminator card. M8012 Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

27 years, 1 month

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SoCal TRW Swapmeet

by jpl15＠netcom.com

My... where *does* the time go? Why, just last month, it seems, I was posting a similar message to this List: Saturdak, 27 Februark (dates adjusted to comply with Y-to-K conversion) 1999 is yats... Yet Another TRW Swapmeet. Any classiccmpers or others who will be in the Southern California area on Saturdak the 27th are invited to drop by and try to get some of the goodies before Marvin and myself scoop them all up. In Los Angeles, from the 405 (San Diego) freeway, take the Rosecrans exit west, go one mile to Aviation, turn left (south) under the Metroline bridge, go south about 1/2 mile... the Event will be on the west side of Aviation in the southernmost parking lots of the TRW El Segundo facility. Time is from 07:30 to 11:30 local, 15:30 to 19:30Z. I (and Marvin) will occupy spaces J21 and J23, and I will offer good company and pretty good food to any who wish to join us for an after-swap Classiccmp get-together. Last time there were eight of us... the more the merrier. If you have a few items to exchange for other items, or to sell to get money to *buy* more items... you are welcome to bring them by and display them to the Wandering Crowds. Let me know in advance if you plan on this, so Logistics may be considered.... and so I can get one up on Marvin in case you have something we both want. ;} And now back to your Regular List Programming. Cheerz John

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question about viruses

by hhacker＠gte.net

Friends: First, let me apologise for the anti-spam message I sent to this group. I did not properly check the destination address before sending, and it was inadvertent. Second, about computer viruses. Sam Ismail said that he had an article from the LA Times dated in 1986. I would love to see the article. Ward D. Griffiths III noted the value of the idea as described in the book by John Brunner, The Shockwave Rider. It is an excellent book but, the worm (or virus) issue is ancillary to the plot of the book. Still, in my paper, Apple Worm (published in the November 1986 issue of Call A.P.P.L.E. magazine - as the cover story), I make reference to the book. In this paper, Apple Worm, I provide a detailed design of a virus program which would operate upon Apple II computers, via the Hello program mechanism. As far as I know, it is the first such exposition of the techniques of computer virus writing ever published, though I am aware of some descriptions of the idea as far back as 1972. This earliest description is published in the journal Software: Practice and Experience. There is another early publication of this nature in the journal Communications of the ACM, written by Schoch, et al. I do not remember the date of the article but, I do have a copy. I will do the necessary research and report the information, if no other person bets me to the punch. It is very likely that my paper, Apple Worm (written together with the late James R. Hauser, a former professor of mine at the California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo), is a major influence upon the proliferation of computer viruses at that time. :) As far as I know, the Brunner text is the first mention of the concept of a computer virus in the literature, as the paper in Software: Practice and Experience mention only the game DARWIN, as played at the AT&T Bell Labs. Interestingly, DARWIN is the source of motivation for A. K. Dewdney's construction of the game Core War. William R. Buckley -----Original Message----- From: Ward D. Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 1:06 PM Subject: Re: question about viruses >On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Charles Oblender wrote: > >> Could any one point me to a source for the history of viruses and >> computer worms. I'm doing a recearch paper and I'm looking for sources. > >Well, the origin of the words themselves applying to computers is the >novel _The Shockwave Rider_ by the late John Brunner. Highly >recommended, though somewhat dated technically now (unavoidable in any >writing about computers set decades in the future -- and this novel >was published in 1975). > >Other than that, you might try digging through the web pages of some >of the anti-virus product vendors. >-- >Ward Griffiths >"the timid die just like the daring; and if you don't take the plunge then >you'll just take the fall" Michael Longcor >

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My Lucky Day!

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Today I just visited with an old friend that I haven't seen in years and found out the he's an OLD computer buff. Turns out that he has a house full of OLD computers. SWTPC, Altair, Alpha Micro, Lisa and more. Today I picked up a MITs 8" disk drive for the Altair and an Alpha Micro computer. He's promised me more including another Altair computer and "nearly one of everything WSWTPC sold". Does anyone have docs for the Altair 8" drive? I need to find out if everything is here and how to hook it up. Does anyone have any good URLs for the Alpha Micro stuff? I don't know what all these cards and stuff are. There's some very strange looking stuff in it. Does anyone have any pointers for fixing the power supply in an Apple Lisa? Joe

27 years, 1 month

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Cromemco Dazzler

by edick＠idcomm.com

I was digging throught the pile of "stuff" from days of old, and find I have a board-set (S-100) which is a Cromemco (remember them?) Dazzler video board set. I don't remember using this for anything. What probably happened is that I read the doc's and determined it was indadequate for my purpose and set it aside . . . the box (the cardboard box in which it was pacakged by Cromemco, looks like sh*t but the contents were apparently unharmed by the passage of 20 years, of which most were spent in the junk pile. Is anyone interested? Dick

27 years, 1 month

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Big Board cpm system board (fwd)

by edick＠idcomm.com

Maybe it would be well to send this fellow a spell-checker . . . ? ---------- > From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Big Board cpm system board (fwd) > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 8:52 PM > > > Iredeived the following e-mail today. Anyone interested should reply > directly to the original sender. > - don > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:40:03 -0600 > From: rick <arger(a)attcanada.net> > To: donm(a)cts.com > Subject: Big Board cpm system board > > D; > I have an old "Big Board" cpm computer pcb (unpopulated) that I bought in > the early '80's (I think), I have docs for it and a flopy controller chip > for it. Is there anyone who might be interested in this. I'd probably sell > it for what I payed for it. Otherwise perhaps it should just be frammed and > put up on a wall... ? > Know anyone who might desire it ? > R. >

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MISC HP docs - mainly 3000 series, terminals, etc.

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Hey folks; I was digging up some HP2000 info for the 13210 controller, but also saw the following manuals which I probably don't need as they appear 3000 related. If anyone is in need, they are... Installation and Service 29425a cabinet HP3000 series II system service manual HP3000 series II system installation manual HP3000 series II system microprogram listing HP3000 series II microprogramming language description Maintenance manual 30032B asynchronous terminal controller for HP 3000 Maintenance manual 30115a 9 track NRZI-PE mag tape subsystem for HP3000 CE service handbook for 7911/12/14, CS/80, 7941/45, 9145A CE service handbook for 300H, 300S, 9144A, 9145A, 35401A, diagnostics Operators manual 7961b, 7962b, 7963b Plus manuals for the following terminals: Microterm Act I, Act IV, Act V, Mime2, Mime340, Ergo2000 Televideo 910 Beehive minibee 4 Hazeltine 1500 Here's the disclaimer - I haven't dug into these manuals in detail, but on the surface they seem to not apply to my interest areas. If there's one you want, let me know. If after looking at it more closely I find it is applicable to 2000/21mx hardware that I have or plan to acquire shortly, I'll only provide copies not originals. BTW - still looking for a 2748A/B type paper tape reader, and always 7900a disc drives! Jay West

27 years, 1 month

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VT320 terminal

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

In a thrift-shop I picked up a copy of of a DEC Installing and Using the VT320 terminal. Later I ran across the machine itself with K-B at the main store. I passed it by at the time since I had acquired a bunch of other equipment and couldn't handle it. It was only $15 , but I'm rapidly running out of space. Is it worthwhile going back for it ? Or is it fairly common and easily available ? ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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Big Board cpm system board (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

Iredeived the following e-mail today. Anyone interested should reply directly to the original sender. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:40:03 -0600 From: rick <arger(a)attcanada.net> To: donm(a)cts.com Subject: Big Board cpm system board D; I have an old "Big Board" cpm computer pcb (unpopulated) that I bought in the early '80's (I think), I have docs for it and a flopy controller chip for it. Is there anyone who might be interested in this. I'd probably sell it for what I payed for it. Otherwise perhaps it should just be frammed and put up on a wall... ? Know anyone who might desire it ? R.

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DEC Handbooks - refining the original request.

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

>Is this request just limited to the 'paperback' Handbooks, or is >other, non "Orange Wall" literature and docs included? > Yes John, you're correct. This list is dedicated to the 'paperback' Handbooks exclusively. Thank you for prompting the clarification and offering to send your own inventory list. Keep'em comin folks. Yours in good faith. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca +1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5 Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles. Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers & Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6 .

27 years, 1 month

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DEC manufacturer?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> Does anyone know if you can purchase "handles" like the ones that appear on > DEC OMNIBUS boards? (flip chip handles). One could drill out some old > boards and make them but I'd prefer to have a source of new ones if possible. Stu Phillips Co is still in business making handles. (Available in many colors and with custom stamping if you want, too.) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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teledisk2.12

by edick＠idcomm.com

Didn't the Kaypro use 1K sectors? ...and why do I have the impression that the Kaypro had a WD 1770 or 1772 (28-pin) FDC on it? I used to swap disks with the AMPRO which was like this all the time. It's been a long time though . . . Dick ---------- > From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: teledisk2.12 > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 12:19 AM > > *sigh* Don Maslin just sent me the boot disk for my kaypro, and I find that > teledisk 2.12 doesn't like the floppy controller on my p2/300. I know the > floppy itself works, I formatted a 360k floppy on it, wrote data to it, read > it back, works fine under win95. > > Suggestions? > > and btw, many thanks to Mr. Maslin for the boot floppy image. > -- > Jim Strickland > jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? > -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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teledisk2.12

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

*sigh* Don Maslin just sent me the boot disk for my kaypro, and I find that teledisk 2.12 doesn't like the floppy controller on my p2/300. I know the floppy itself works, I formatted a 360k floppy on it, wrote data to it, read it back, works fine under win95. Suggestions? and btw, many thanks to Mr. Maslin for the boot floppy image. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

27 years, 1 month

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Test and Maintenance tools for vintage computers

by go＠ao.com

My interest in vintage hardware certainly includes acquiring and restoring the hardware itself, getting copies (or originals if possible) of the manuals and other documentation, but also includes acquiring the original "tools" and other articles used to keep these old systems running. For example, I have several teletypes of various models, and Teletype corp was fond of having all sorts of special tools used to keep these things running smoothly. Items included special screwdrivers, burnishing tools for cleaning contacts and even a custom "tuning fork" for aligning the speed of the governored motor. I recall, for example, that our DEC field service engineer at Oregon State had a special "tuned hammer" for "thwacking" the circuit boards in our PDP-8 (straight-8) that ran our front-end terminal multiplexor. Basically it was a modified "center punch" with a special paddle in place of the sharp-pointy thing. You dialed in the amount of "thump" desired (in special DEC-calibrated units: (1-light to 9-break-the-edge-fingers) and pressed the tool against the card handle, pushing until the center-punch device clicked. All boards were supposed to take at least a "4" if I recall (any DEC FE's out there?) and any that didn't were replaced. So, what's the strangest "field service" tool out there? And what success have you all had in finding these things? For my teletypes, it's been a difficult task to find the pieces I have and I only have a few of the 30-some "official" tools TTY-corp produced for the model 14, 19 and 28 families. Seem to be a lot scarcer than the documents. Gary

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Wanted: TeleVideo CP/M machine(s)

by lundo＠interport.net

Doug Auerbach wrote: > I'm looking for a TeleVideo CP/M machine, particularly the TS-803 or > TS-1603. If you have one of these computers, or one similar to this one > (not including the portable), I'd be interesting in buying it. I've got a TS-802H, in storage with my PDP-11's etc. I'm planning to unearth all this old stuff now that I have a place with a basement. I've got a lot of files on the TS' hard disk, which I'd want to look through before even thinking of selling it. I'm not sure how much time I can devote to restoring my ancient toys, but it worked last time I booted it a few years ago. Internal HD and 4.5-inch diskette drive to the left of the monitor screen. I have the User and Maintenance Manuals, with complete schematics, which may be useful to you. It has some pretty fancy high-speed serial port capability, used for the networked systems. -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Robert Lund | Out here on the perimeter there are no stars + + lundo(a)interport.net | Out here we is stoned - Immaculate + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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VT320 terminal

by dburrows＠netpath.net

I have several here and they sell commercially VERY slowly. I have sold them in large quantity without keyboards for cheaper than that. If you ever need some let me know. I work with a couple of recyclers that love to have me take some off their hands for resale. They don't have to tear them down for certified disposal then. Dan In a thrift-shop I picked up a copy of of a DEC Installing and Using the VT320 terminal. Later I ran across the machine itself with K-B at the main store. I passed it by at the time since I had acquired a bunch of other equipment and couldn't handle it. It was only $15 , but I'm rapidly running out of space. Is it worthwhile going back for it ? Or is it fairly common and easily available ? ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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VisiCalc 1.0

by guerney＠uq.net.au

From: Gary Oliver <go(a)ao.com> From: Gary Oliver >Anyway, my manual (as far as I can tell) says nothing about a version >number, though the copyright date is "1979, 1981" on the diskette. >For reference, a the diskette says: > >"Apple II and II Plus 48k 16 Sector" part number 10911-5511

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teledisk2.12

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<>*sigh* Don Maslin just sent me the boot disk for my kaypro, and I find th <>teledisk 2.12 doesn't like the floppy controller on my p2/300. I know th <>floppy itself works, I formatted a 360k floppy on it, wrote data to it, re <>it back, works fine under win95. W95 may be part of the problem. Also The boot disk may be wrong for your kaypro! There were many models and a bunch of rom upgrades. Allison

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ESDI Drives and controllers

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Have a bunch of working 5.25" full and half height drives, ESDI type, in working order to sell. Many of them are half height Seagate 89 mb and I have a few Maxtor 170 mb full height. Can be sold with or without contoller, which are mostly Seagate. Cables will be included with the full setups. These are AT controllers and will work in any machine with 16 bit ISA slots. You only need to set your CMOS to drive type 1 and the rest is done by the controller and drive. 89mb drive $8.50 plus ship 170 mb drive $12 plus ship Add $6 to either for controller and cables For those that want 2 drives and controller I'll go the price of 2 drives and include the controller free, with cables for 2 drives. Email me direct (not on the list) if interested. I really don't want to move this stuff come summer. Shipping will be by USPS parcel post from 40144 to you, insurance optional. USA and APO/FPO only.

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Vintage SGI stuff

by mikeparadiso＠worldnet.att.net

I have lots of vintage Silicon Graphics hard to find boards, O/S's, software, hard drives, tape drives, CD's, memory, systems and documentation, Los Angeles area. If its vintage SGI, I have it. I will trade, buy and sell it. File and media conversion for free. mikeparadiso(a)worldnet.att.net or call 323 462-5772

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