- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by edick＠idcomm.com

was that really "list" or was that a typo . . . "LOST" ??? Dick ---------- > From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: suggestion for list sanity? > Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 12:58 PM > > I was wondering if it would be possible to add an "OT subgroup" to classiccmp > that people can choose to subscribe to or not. That way when something goes > as far afield as the operating system discussion or the argument about guns > in times past, those who wish to participate can simply agree to post to the > off-topic board and not irritate those who don't wish to participate. Might > be a good place for auction foo, too, although an additional subgroup for that > would also work. Would this be possible, oh list admin? > -- > Jim Strickland > jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? > -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, 11 March 1999 4:15 Subject: Re: vax, cdroms, etc >>My money would be on Multinet and/or TCPware. > >A quick DejaNews search shows you are correct. Makes sense. Thank you Process Software. I suspect the Madgoat crew may have had a hand in this too.......:^) >I'd recommend contacting DECUS Australia. Several chapters have been added >to the program in the last week and a half. I've emailed the contact person for the NOP SIG. If anyone knows, he will, I suspect. However there is no mention of it anywhere on the main DECUS Web site in Oz. Thanks Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie, South Australia. Email: geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au ICQ #: 1970476 Phone: 61-8-8633-8834 Mobile: 61-411-623-978 Fax: 61-8-8633-0104

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by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, 10 March 1999 5:02 Subject: Re: vax, cdroms, etc >Why bother unless you're short on memory. You can get UCX as part of the >Hobbyist program, and apparently two more TCP stacks will be available on >the Hobbyist program around the middle of this month (sorry can't remember >which ones). My money would be on Multinet and/or TCPware. >Now that the new Hobbyist program >is available all my VAXen run DECnet as does the one Alpha, the other Alpha >runs DECnet and UCX. Next step, clustering. Sniff. The hobbyist program is apparently STILL not available to us in Oz. Not even the 'old' one. Anyone know what the problem is? Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie, South Australia. Email: geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au ICQ #: 1970476 Phone: 61-8-8633-8834 Mobile: 61-411-623-978 Fax: 61-8-8633-0104

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Hazeltine?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Actually, Hazeltine made graphics terminals. I know that they made vector <graphics capable units, both real vector, and i think emulated vector <using a raster screen. Emulated as raster. The 1552 ws a vt52 copy and there was a VT100/ansi clone too. Allison

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by mbg＠world.std.com

>Anyone heard of a Hazeltine? Not sure of the model but I have a black >one piece terminal looking unit that I'm curious of the sentimental, >astetic or collector value of this brand of machine. Any input >appreciated and maybe there will be one up for adoption soon. Yep, I remember them... one of the first video terminals I ever used, back on a decsystem-10 at WPI... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Info needed: PDP-11/03

by mbg＠world.std.com

> Do you know anything about "storage cards" made by National Memory >Systems? There's one of those stuck in it. Assy # 980100996. I don't... I'm sure someone else here does... > Here's a list of what else I found in it: > >M7954 GP-IB interface >M7270 LSI-11/2 16 bit CPU (2 of them) >M9400YA 120 Ohm terminator w/ refresh and floppy boot >M8400CF 16K word 16 bit MOS RAM >M7940 Serial Line Unit (SLU, Async) >M7946 RX01 floppy disk controller >M7264 11/03 Proccessor w/ 4K work MOS RAM. Three processor boards?! You only need one... > Here's a list of the docs that I got with it: > >Introduction to RT-11 (missing some pages) >Informer Computer terminal model D-301 Maintenance manual >DECLAB Fortran Extensions User's Guide & update notice 1 >LSI-11 WCS User's Guide >RT-11 Software Support Manual >RT-11 Documentation Directory >RT-11 Fortran VO1C Which version of RT-11 are the docs for? > I have a couple of more questions. What did they use the GPIB interface >for? Is it just an instrument interface or did it connect to some of the >system devices like it did with the PET and HP computers? It is an instrument interface... whether one of those instruments could be another computer, I don't know... >Are the LSI-11/2 CPUs needed in this system or does the 11/03 processor >replace them? Depends on your needs... the 11/03 has memory, the 11/2's don't. The 11/2's take up less room. Both need a console interface board. >Is there any reason to have to 11/02 CPUs in it? You listed three... but no, no reason for 2 in a *working* machine. But the person who you got them from may have simply put them in the backplane to prevent damage, in which case it doesn't matter what's in it... >I didn't get a powe supply with this, can I make one up using the >voltages shown on the card cage or is there anything specail that I need >to know about? Do the voltages have to be applied in a certain sequence >or anything like that? What kind of backplane did you get? Someone here may have a spare so that you can get it working... Other than that, you might be able to get it working if you cobble something together... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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HP 7475A Plotter

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Allen Rose, writing as "Mindy Fuchs" <tomeditf(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: > Last year you sent out a request for info about HP7475A Plotter > pens. Like you, I am now trying to get one working. DId you find a > source for pens? Also, do you have any idea where I can get a > plotter manual? Even xerox copies of the important pages would > help. ALso, any idea what cable is required. Thanks. As other folks have written, the pens come up on ebay sometimes. They might be OK -- HP sold them with expiration dates and I don't really know how well they keep, although (a) back in the 1980s we didn't pay much mind to the expiration date on the package and had no cause to regret it and (b) a friend who has purchased pens via ebay has said that at least some of them were OK. The pens do dry out if left in the plotter though, even if they are capped by the plotter or the pen carousel. I would not expect pens to work unless they are in sealed packages. HP no longer sells pens. Last time I looked their web site referred users to Koh-i-noor for pens and ink, and I think I managed to work out that Koh-i-noor had refillable ink pens as well as new felt-tip pens. The 7475A is tricky and you may need more than pinouts for its port, because if it's an RS-232 flavor, the DIP switches let you tell it whether to behave like a terminal device or as an eavesdropper on an existing terminal device's connection. To use it from a PC based application you probably want the former; the latter is useful for host-based graphics applications that are accessed from a terminal but know of the existence of the eavesdropping plotter. -Frank McConnell

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by danburrows＠mindspring.com

>RRD40's take non-standard caddies. I'm not sure about RRD42's off the top >of my head. Standard ones - I have a couple. Dan

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 9, 22:34, Jim Strickland wrote: > > >3. can someone answer conclusively for me whether the vaxstation expects > > > the disk to have parity enabled? The lists I've read don't seem very > > > sure. > > > > Not quite sure what you mean here. It expects 512k blocks, if you want to > > boot off the install CD. That means that only a few CD-ROM drives will be bootable, such as Toshiba 3301, 3401, and a few old Sony drives -- and all of those will need to be set up correctly. On the Toshibas, that means a minor internal modification, unless you get one that was previously used on a Vax, Sparcstation, or SGI. > > However, I believe it will read CD's in standard > > drives once the system is up and running. Which suggests it knows to issue a SCSI command to set the blocksize after booting, which almost all SCSI-2 CD-ROMs obey. > I should clarify. Does it expect its internal hard disks to have parity turned > on or not? I don't know for a Vax or VMS, but it shouldn't do any harm to disable it on most devices. Most devices always generate the parity, and the setting only determines whether they check it on input. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Acoustic Coupled Modems & papertape....

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Arfon Gryffydd <arfonrg(a)texas.net> wrote: > Anyone know a where I can find an old RS-232 Acoustic coupled modem? Keep looking, they turn up. > How about the specifications for paper-tape (i.e. hole spacing, paper > width, etc.)? Hole spacing is 0.1". 8-level tape is 1" wide, with 3 holes, then a smaller-diameter sprocket hole, then 5 holes. There also exist 7- and 5-level tapes which are simply narrower (3+1+4, 3+1+2), and maybe also a six-level tape but I don't know what used it. Somewhere I have what looks to be a parallel tape reader with a knob that rotates different-width guides into place, but it has no manufacturer information. -Frank McConnell

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Burst Nibbler?

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser <ckaiser(a)oa.ptloma.edu> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, 11 March 1999 2:22 Subject: Re: Burst Nibbler? >::Have a friend that has acquired a heavily optioned up Commodore 64. > >Whee, the best kind. :-)))) If you say so :^) >(This is coming from memory, apologies for any inaccuracies.) Any port in a storm.... >Dolphin DOS is actually a set of ROM upgrades, like JiffyDOS. As long as he >has the matching Kernal ROM in the 64, and the matching DOS ROM in the 1541 >(check the board, they should be labeled), he should be golden. Seems to be the case. (I should point out I haven't seen the machine/drives yet, this is on a verbal description) >The author is, fortunately for you, an Aussie -- his name is David Huggins. Good grief. A miracle. >Unfortunately, I don't have a current contact address for support. I'll put out some feelers. Someone will know... >Burst nibblers are simply GCR copy programs. You won't need one for this >drive (and I don't think the 1541 could support it anyway, since burst >transfer is a 1571<->128 serial trick). Hmmm, I'm starting to wonder exactly what this guy has. He mentioned he also had a 128. He might have this in a 1571 instead of a 1541. He's pretty vague when asked for numbers. He said he had a disk drive with it, I asked if it was a 1541 and he said, yeah, sounds like it.. So maybe it ain't. I might sit on this until he brings the machine in to the shop. He's very limited in knowledge, so me might have fed me some duff gen. > Where does it say he needs the burst nibbler? I think someone has their signals crossed. Seems to have come from the previous owner, but this guy might not know the right questions to ask too. Or he might have been asking specifically about copying stuff. I'll clarify this and get back to you. Thanks for your help... Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie, South Australia. Email: geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au ICQ #: 1970476 Phone: 61-8-8633-8834 Mobile: 61-411-623-978 Fax: 61-8-8633-0104

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Acoustic Coupled Modems & papertape....

by arfonrg＠texas.net

Anyone know a where I can find an old RS-232 Acoustic coupled modem? How about the specifications for paper-tape (i.e. hole spacing, paper width, etc.)?

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 10, 19:27, R. Stricklin (kjaeros) wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > That means that only a few CD-ROM drives will be bootable, such as Toshiba > > 3301, 3401, and a few old Sony drives -- and all of those will need to be > > set up correctly. On the Toshibas, that means a minor internal > > modification, unless you get one that was previously used on a Vax, > > Sparcstation, or SGI. > Almost any Plextor CD-ROM drive will have a jumper that will enable it to > be used on a host expecting 512k blocks. I'd forgotten about the Plextors. > I understand that many newer Toshiba CD-ROMs will also work equally well > with 512k or 2048k blocks. As far as I'm aware, of the older Toshiba > CD-ROM drives only the 3201B (3401B? I forget) is modifiable. All the newer Toshibas -- and most other SCSI-2 CD-ROMs -- will accept the appropriate MODE SELECT command. The 3201, 3301, and 3401 all have internal jumper pads to hardwire the block size. I think the 5401 does as well. The 3601 and later don't (the pads are there, but they don't set the block size). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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E&L Mini-Micro Designer

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Well I tried to sign up with geocities (it banged on me...) they don't seem to like people using their free service for a storage space for an outside site: </Quote> Please refrain from using your Personal Home Page (free or GeoPlus), GeoShop or GeoCities Chat and Forum session for the following activities: 7.Developing restricted or password-only access pages, or hidden pages or images (those not linked to from another accessible page); 8.Using your home page (or directory) as storage for remote loading or as a door or signpost to another home page, whether inside or beyond GeoCities; </End Quote> As for Yahoo I could not find where to sign up... But I like the idea and will be looking around for solutions. Francois >Suggestion. Get a free yahoo or geocities web space so you can post this >info at no out of pocket cost to you. You can put a link to the scans >from your web site. > >Take advantage of what the web has to offer. It doesn't all need to be in >one place anymore. Think distributed! To the end user its all the same >anyway. > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 02/15/99] >

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E&L Mini-Micro Designer

by fauradon＠pclink.com

>>My Dyna Micro came without any chips, they apparently have ben canibalized > >I assume you've saved the list I posted the other night, then :-) The articles have the nomenclature so no problem there > >> is there any way that I can obtain a 1702 with KEX??? > >Since it was posted to the list, I feel I can mail it out to anyone on >the list who wants it (I'll not post it again since I can't believe too >many people need it). Same here got the listing > >Then all you need to find is someone with a 1702 programmer (I _must_ get >mine out) and some 1702 chips. Or I suppose you could stick it into a >2716 and wire up a kludge-board to link it to the MMD1. Kludge would work but I would lose the authenticity of the appartus. I'd much prefer to find a source of 1702 and a programmer :) > >-tony >

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Info needed: PDP-11/03

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>> I have a couple of more questions. What did they use the GPIB interface >> for? Is it just an instrument interface or did it connect to some of the >> system devices like it did with the PET and HP computers? Are the >AFAIK DEC never supported disks on the GPIB. It's just a card to link up lab >equipment, etc. Of course you _could_ write a driver for a GPIB disk, but >it's not going to be an easy job. It's not that hard - everything you need to know about making a bootable device driver under RT-11 is documented with extreme clarity and many examples. Adding RSX-11 support for a new device to standalone BRU, now, that's not an easy job! -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Fresh content posted tonight

by rcini＠email.msn.com

Hello, all: As promised, I just uploaded my latest KIM-1 stuff. Enjoy! [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <---------------------------- reply separator

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Scanning old manuals

by lundo＠interport.net

Eric Smith wrote: > > The one attractive thing we loose by creating 60meg PDF files is the > > ability to browse pages without downloading the entire thing.... > > Or am I missing something in Acrobat that will pull pages on demand > > from a table of contents? > > If you "optimize" the PDF using Acrobat Exchange 3.0 or newer, and your > web server supports HTTP 1.1 byte-serving, and the user has the Acrobat > Reader plug-in for the browser, you do get page-at-a-time browsing. At least on the one-piece docs such as found on 36bit.org, the first page is displayed using the PDFViewer plug-in as soon as it's in, while Netscape continues to download the entire document in the background. But this isn't truly "pulling pages on demand", as the document has to be browsed serially. Thus Acrobat Reader's "Go To Page" command isn't provided in the PDFViewer plug-in. -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Robert Lund | Out here on the perimeter there are no stars + + lundo(a)interport.net | Out here we is stoned - Immaculate + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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HP CS/80,SS/80 & Amigo Protocols

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Jeffrey l Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com> wrote: > Does anyone have the docs for these HP protocols? Parts of CS/80, from the 7941/7945 service manual. I'd like to get info on the rest too. > The Amigo protocol is the oldest. Then the CS-80, > and the SS-80 is the newest. I think any of > these would be relevent to the work I'm doing. For real? Can you talk about it? -Frank McConnell

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Eagle II?

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

According to _The_Microcomputer_Buyers_Guide_ (1983 edition): "The Eagle II, III, and IV integrate the the CPU, memory, disk storage, CRT, display, and keyboard into one desktop unit. The basic features common to all systems are: Z80A CPU (4Mhz); 64Kb of memory,; two serial I/O ports; one Centrinonics compatible parallel port; one paprllel port for hard disk expansion; 12" green CRT display (1920 characters); 75-key keyboard; and various disk storage capabilities depending upon the model. The Eagle II includes two 5.25" mini-floppy disks of 390kb storage capacity each." The entry goes on to say that a 7.5 or 10mb wichester was available for it, and that it was supplied with CP/M & CBASIC. Sounds like a pretty standard issue CP/M box, in vogue at the time. MSRP (in 1983) was $2,995. Eagle Computer was located in Los Gatos, CA. On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:07:43 -0600 Arfon Gryffydd <arfonrg(a)texas.net> writes: >No clue.... Big blue case... Built-in monitor, two 5.25" black >discs >(like the TRS-80 Model IIIs). I think it was a Z-80 computer. > > >At 03:48 PM 3/10/99 -0500, you wrote: >>On Wednesday, March 10, 1999 3:42 PM, Arfon Gryffydd >[SMTP:arfonrg@texas.net] wrote: >>> Anyone want an old Eagle II computer? It's been at the local >Goodwill >>> store for awhile. If someone will save it, I'll get it for them. >>> >>> Arfon >>> >> >>Not familiar with the Eagle II. What is it? >> >>Steve Robertson -<steverob(a)hotoffice.com> >> >> >> > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Sony test CD-ROM

by max82＠surfree.com

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Eagle II?

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Wednesday, March 10, 1999 3:42 PM, Arfon Gryffydd [SMTP:arfonrg@texas.net] wrote: > Anyone want an old Eagle II computer? It's been at the local Goodwill > store for awhile. If someone will save it, I'll get it for them. > > Arfon > Not familiar with the Eagle II. What is it? Steve Robertson -<steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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vax, cdroms, etc

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>1. Does VMS 6.2 know about ISO9660 cdroms out of the box? You know, there is a handy VMS command called HELP: TIMVAX $HELP MOUNT MOUNT_EXAMPLES MOUNT MOUNT_Examples The following examples describe how to use the Mount utility with and without operator assistance. For examples 1 and 2, operator assistance is not required, assuming the volumes are in the drives. Examples 3 to 6 describe operator-assisted mounts. Examples 7 and 8 describe mounting ISO 9660 CD-ROM volume sets, example 9 makes subsystems on a volume accessible, and example 10 demonstrates mounting a shadow set. [...] 7.$ MOUNT/SYSTEM/MEDIA=CDROM $1$DKA1 USER %MOUNT-I-CDROM_ISO, USER:VMS_ONLINE_DOCUMENTATION (1 of 4) , mounted on _$1$DKA1: (CDROM) $ MOUNT/SYSTEM/MEDIA=CDROM $1$DKA2 PROGRAMMING_1 %MOUNT-I-CDROM_ISO, PROGRAMMING_1:VMS_ONLINE_DOCUMENTATION (2 of 4) , mounted on _$1$DKA2: (CDROM) $ MOUNT/SYSTEM/MEDIA=CDROM $1$DKA3 PROGRAMMING_2 %MOUNT-I-CDROM_ISO, PROGRAMMING_2:VMS_ONLINE_DOCUMENTATION (3 of 4) , mounted on _$1$DKA3: (CDROM) MOUNT/SYSTEM/MEDIA=CDROM $1$DKA4 MANAGEMENT %MOUNT-I-CDROM_ISO, MANAGEMENT:VMS_ONLINE_DOCUMENTATION (4 of 4) , mounted on _$1$DKA4: (CDROM) These commands mount each member of a four-member ISO 9660 volume set whose volume-set name is VMS_ONLINE_DOCUMENTATION. 8.$ MOUNT/SYSTEM/MEDIA=CDROM $1$DKA1,$1$DKA2,$1$DKA3,$1$DKA4 USER,PROGRAMMING_1,PROGRAMMING_2,MANAGEMENT %MOUNT-I-CDROM_ISO, USER:VMS_ONLINE_DOCUMENTATION (1 of 4) , mounted on _$1$DKA1: (CDROM) %MOUNT-I-CDROM_ISO, PROGRAMMING_1:VMS_ONLINE_DOCUMENTATION (2 of 4) , mounted on _$1$DKA2: (CDROM) %MOUNT-I-CDROM_ISO, PROGRAMMING_2:VMS_ONLINE_DOCUMENTATION (3 of 4) , mounted on _$1$DKA3: (CDROM) %MOUNT-I-CDROM_ISO, MANAGEMENT:VMS_ONLINE_DOCUMENTATION (4 of 4) , mounted on _$1$DKA4: (CDROM) This command mounts four members of an ISO 9660 volume set whose volume set name is VMS_ONLINE_DOCUMENTATION. >2. When doing a show dev on a VS3100/40, the cdrom drive should show > up on the device list, right? (I suspect I goofed up the wiring on the > CDROM case) Yes, it should, as a "RO" (Read Only) device. One potential gotcha - your 3100 most likely has the host adapter at ID#6. So the CD-ROM obviously has to have a different ID. >3. can someone answer conclusively for me whether the vaxstation expects > the disk to have parity enabled? The lists I've read don't seem very > sure. It absolutely expects parity, though most drives will generate parity on output and ignore it on input if jumpered for no parity. It also prefers drives that can be jumpered for 512 bytes/sector (though in some cases it will succesfully do a MODE SELECT to override a 2048 byte/sector setting.). -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Hazeltine?

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> > > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Russ Blakeman wrote: > > > > > Anyone heard of a Hazeltine? Not sure of the model but I have a black > > > one piece terminal looking unit that I'm curious of the sentimental, > > > astetic or collector value of this brand of machine. Any input > > > appreciated and maybe there will be one up for adoption soon. I believe the one that I have is a Model 1420. I don't have it in front of me so, I could be wrong about the model. It's just a plain black, one piece, dumb terminal. Nothing special. The most curious thing about it is the location of the DIP switches. They are under a removable cover above the keyboard. It makes it convenient if you are trying to talk to a system and aren't sure of the comm parameters. I do have a set of manuals. If you have any questions about settings or emulations, I'll look them up for you. I don't think there are *that* many around so, I'm gonna keep mine. Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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OT ? IBM AS400/9404 & HP9000/832

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi all, Somebody offered me this two pieces "cheap". Anybody on the list knows what exactly they are ? Which Processor they use ? Operating systems ? Pointer to any documentation ? thanks a lot & sorry, if being off topic (but the price let me think that they are old enough). emanuel

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Hazeltine?

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

>Anyone heard of a Hazeltine? Not sure of the model but I have a black >one piece terminal looking unit that I'm curious of the sentimental, >astetic or collector value of this brand of machine. Any input >appreciated and maybe there will be one up for adoption soon. Sure - Hazeltines in general but specifically the model 1500 were a "standard" of sorts for terminals long ago. I'd give it a home if no one else has an interest. It's not particularly rare at all, but has a sentimental value to probably most on the list here. If someone else here winds up getting it - keep in mind that I have a genuine hazeltine1500 manual if anyone needs it. Jay West

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HX-20 the wonder of Epson

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

> >On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Mike Ford wrote: > > > >> Can you tell me much about the AC adapter? (why is it the adapter always > >> gets lost. I didn't get one with the PowerBook 5300CS I bought last > >> Saturday either.) I wonder if a generic adapter will be OK to use? i used an a/c adaptor from my atari 2600 on my epson, and worked fine. I think the milliamp rating was off a little, but it did charge the computer's battery for a few minutes. david

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When did VC show up on IBM big iron?

by dwollmann＠ibmhelp.com

Does anyone recall when version control tools became available on IBM mainframe OSs? -- David Wollmann DST / DST Data Conversion http://www.ibmhelp.com/ ICQ: 10742063

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Info needed: PDP-11/03

by mbg＠world.std.com

>My source came through again. Today I picked up what is supposed to be a >PDP-11/03. Can anyone point me to a good URL to identify the cards in it >and provide some general info. I don't know anything about PDP-11s. Try the pdp-11 Field Guide... There is a copy I've been working on which you can find through a link on my home_systems page... that text file will have the pointer to the official version... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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E&L Mini-Micro Designer

by fauradon＠pclink.com

OK, I've been soft brained lately. I do have a copy of the articles May, June and july 1976 (Last one is incomplete:(. If there is enough interest I can try to scan all I have and post it somewhere (I'm running low on web space so it might have to be somewhere else..). It's about ten double sided pages (I can renove the adds from the scans) My Dyna Micro came without any chips, they apparently have ben canibalized is there any way that I can obtain a 1702 with KEX??? Also if anyone has the July 1976 of Radio Electronics, the end of the article is at page 85, I'd love to get a scan of that... Thanks Francois

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Lucky day in Tigard Oregon

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 09:59 AM 3/3/99 -0800, you wrote: >And I already have a ][c+. Okay, so what's a ][c+ (or //c+)? And how does one distinguish it from the normal, run-of-the-mill //c? (Preferably without having to open it up?) Are they worth picking up (//c or //c+) for trading fodder? Anyone need a //c? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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What classic equipment was rebadged?

by dpeschel＠u.washington.edu

I know that Company A would take one of Company B's products and stick a "Company A" label on it... that's what most people mean when they say "rebadging", I think. It's pretty easy to spot, if you can find one of Company B's products for sale. But I'm also wondering about the case in which Company A *hires* Company B to make a product, and may even deny that Company B did any of the work. Is that also called rebadging? What classic hardware/software companies were most famous for this? I've learned (from Allison and Megan's various posts) that Digital sometimes used other companies' stuff -- often at the cheap end of a line of products, I suspect. What about IBM? Wang? Microsoft? I'm thinking mostly of the 60's to early 80's. I don't need to ask about the current state of the computer industry, since I already *know* that it's near-total anarchy. You may wonder what brought this stream-of-consciousness eruption on. Every time I look at TI's calculator web site, I see that they state their calculators' features in terms of "bid specifications". Now I find that creepy, personally. I always thought that TI didn't care very much about its calculators (anyone see any vintage TI calculators to go with the fine HP machines at the last VCF?). But if TI puts bids out, then they care even less than I thought. Unless they have some perverse internal bid system? And that ties into the other reason I made this post. What does the computer industry look like from the companies' perspective? What sorts of nasty deals have gone on in back rooms? Big companies love to use terms like "OEM" or "supplier" but that doesn't even scratch the surface of a complex web of relationships. Then there's the even more intricate question of the *information* behind all of the energy (i.e., the source code, algorithms, proprietary techniques). Sometimes a high enough price will buy it; sometimes it isn't available for any price... wierd. I'll save the question about the quality of the finished product for next itme. :) Besides, I already think I know the answer: often the quality is the last priority on the list, and the customer gets the shaft. (At least lately. Maybe it was different 25 years ago.) Thanks for reading this ramble, -- Derek

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ARGH! Device names ....

by edick＠idcomm.com

In case anyone is interested in things of this nature, I have the following Multibus-1 hardware available for reasonable swap. iSBC 215 - Intel's "Generic" Winchester controller for "all" (14", 8", 5-1/4") drives. Has the scarce (nearly unheard-of) 8089 I/O (Intelligent DMA) processor. iSBC 214 - Intel's 4-Floppy disk + 2 HDD's adapter with an on-board '186. iSBC ??? - can't find an identifier, '186 CPU board with DRAM and ROM on board along with serial and parallel I/O + 512k on-board DRAM. Plessey 512K DRAM board with 256k of 4164's soldered in. somebody else's 128k DRAM (4116) board with provision for SECDED logic. 4- and 8-slot cardcages There's a Central Data FDC somewhere . . . Maybe it'll turn up. Dick

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Will the owner...

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

...of the Rhode Island Computer Museum please speak up? I'm trying to record your payment for the Teledisk group buy, but I cannot match your check with a person's name or E-mail addy. Thanks much! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Will the owner...

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

At 11:08 09-03-1999 -0500, you wrote: >RCS/RI? That would be me or Allison, I think. I know nothing about the >Teledisk deal... > >William Donzelli >william(a)ans.net I'm surprised. I had the offer to do a group buy splattered all over the list, and it garnered nearly 50 responses. Anyway... here's what I have. A business check with: 'The Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.' And an address in North Kingstown, RI. It's made out for $6.06, as per my request, and was mailed to me wrapped in stationery from the museum. The letter specifically references the Teledisk group buy, but there is no E-mail addy given and the signature is unreadable (looks kind of like an 'M' with a diagonal line under it). I'll include a request for further details in the reminder I send out tonight. Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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vax, cdroms, etc

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Hi. I've finally got all the stuff to upgrade my vax to a level where I can hang it on my network. I have the external disk cable, I have a new 1gig drive to put in it. And of course, I have some questions. i 1. Does VMS 6.2 know about ISO9660 cdroms out of the box? 2. When doing a show dev on a VS3100/40, the cdrom drive should show up on the device list, right? (I suspect I goofed up the wiring on the CDROM case) 3. can someone answer conclusively for me whether the vaxstation expects the disk to have parity enabled? The lists I've read don't seem very sure. 4. anything special about configuring cmu? I've gotten UCX to work in a past life as a VMS sysadmin. As always, I appreciate any answers y'all can give me. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Memorex manual

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I have a User's Guide for a Memorex 2079 Color Display Station that I picked up in some stuff. Does anyone need it? The cover says " A Burroughs Company" so it may also cover one of the Burrough's models. Joe

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Burst Nibbler?

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

Hi all, Have a friend that has acquired a heavily optioned up Commodore 64. He is not very clued up on computers in general, but he has some strange options fitted. There is some sort of accelerator board built in to his 1541 drive. Unfortunately, for it to work, it evidently needs a disk with something called (I think) Burst Nibbler on it. Seems to be associated with something called Dolphin DOS, possibly on the same disk. Problem is that he doesn't have the disk, seems he bought the machine and many boxes of disks at auction, but a pile of other disks went to someone else. He was able to find the original owner, who confirmed that he needs this particular disk to make the fast loader work, but it seems it was with the stuff he didn't get.. I know just enough about C64's to avoid them like the plague, however I would like to help him if I could.. Anyone out there know more about this, especially in Oz? I'd be happy to cover the costs of copying/shipping a floppy. Cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie, South Australia. Email: geoffrob(a)stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au ICQ #: 1970476 Phone: 61-8-8633-8834 Mobile: 61-411-623-978 Fax: 61-8-8633-0104

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Interesting to note about Altairs...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<My wish is not a kludge of CP/M. I used CP/M as an example but, if you <were going to use CP/M, I'd wish for a total new re-write with all the <features I wanted built in. Well write them in. The cources are on the net as free for hobby use, there are at least 5 different CPm clones and you can run MYz80 as a development platfform on you PC. <Nope! Linux is still to hard for the average user. There are too many <different flavor of libraries (GLIBC2 vs. LIBC5 as an example). Windows <has the advantage of having (for the most part) only one version of <necessary DLLs. Linux will never match the ease of Windows because if it <did, half of Linux's attractiveness (the user configurability) will be lost The installation is the horror. I have Red Hat and it doesn't like my CDU-33, Slakware does... go figure. Allison

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Yipeee! Its alive ...

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Well, for the archives : On a uVax II you have to boot from XQA0 to netboot NetBSD. You have to have your MOP server serve you boot-DEQNA.mopformat. You should use a class C subnet (I was using a class B prefix) Now to figure out how to label the disk so that I can boot locally but ping globally. --Chuck

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ARGH! Device names ....

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> Tried to boot using the NetBSD FAQ spec of : > -------------------------------------------------------- snip > >>> b/100 esa0 > > Is there a "List Devices" or somesuch? (and I thought OpenBoot was cryptic!) "ESA0" is what the Ethernet is called on a VS2000 or VS3100. On your Microvax II it should be XQA0. Tim.

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HP2100 simulator (was Re: WAY OT: Re: Interesting to note about Altairs...)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Arfon Gryffydd <arfonrg(a)texas.net> wrote: > Back to On-topic... How about the HP2100 emulators... Anyone know how to > get it to work? > > http://oscar.taurus.com/~jeff/2100/index.html OK, if you go to http://oscar.taurus.com/~jeff/2100/emulator/index.html ...you will find the sources for the simulator and some other bits. e21.c is the simulator core. ttyaccess.c is a file lifted from Doug Jones' PDP-8 simulator. They get compiled and linked together to make the simulator, e21. hpasm.c is source for an HP21xx cross-assembler. I haven't done anything with this. chkasm.c is source for a program that checks an HP21xx absolute binary tape to make sure it is OK with its checksums. I haven't done anything with this either. Turns out Jeff did most of his development work under MS-DOS, and I think it probably works best there. I don't know what C compiler he used for MS-DOS. For Un*x, there is the file mkunix which contains commands to compile this stuff. It's not exactly a shell script but may be used as standard input to a shell. Building e21 under FreeBSD requires that you remove -DTERMIOS, and you will then notice that the simulator's prompts are wacky because it puts the tty >from which it is run into raw mode and leaves it that way. I have some patches that make it switch the tty back and forth as needed but they introduce another bug, namely the simulator exits when the simulated 21xx halts. Oops. OK, so now supposing you've got it built, go get something else: http://oscar.taurus.com/~jeff/2100/hpbasic/basic1.abs That's an absolute paper tape image for a single-user standalone BASIC interpreter that will work with the simulator. Now run e21, tell it to LOAD basic1.abs, and then to RUN. Case is important for the simulator's commands. That should get you running the standalone BASIC. Fun, huh? When you get tired of this, type BYE to the BASIC interpreter, and it should drop you back to the simulator's U2100> command prompt. Q will exit the simulator. -Frank McConnell

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Amigas and Atari ST

by gareth.knight2＠which.net

Zane H. Healy wrote: >Personally I think that this is the first good news in almost a year. The >way the situation has been handled so far is criminal. The WOA >announcements last spring did more towards killing off the Classic Amiga >market than anything since Commodore's bankrupcy. I agree that it could have been handled a lot better. I have to sympathise with Amiga Inc though. It wasn't easy when they split from their OS Partner around a week before the show. All the hype about the announcement and then they are forced to abandon half of it, leaving just some vague references to a superchip, development boxes and a schedule that was impossible to meet. Personally I think the Amiga has been slowly dying for a number of years. Admittedly there is not the sense of gloom as in 1996 but the "Classic" market is gradually shrinking. In the UK, Amiga Format readership has dropped to just 14,644. However it is hardly doom and gloom; Netscape is being ported to the Amiga under the name "AMozillaX"; Power Computing are set to release a revised version of the A5000 that uses the Escona G3 accelerator; and AmigaOS 3.5 screenshots have been shown for the first time (www.amiga.de). >Well, basically right, but as Tony pointed out, on the DEC Pro POS is >actually P/OS, and I can't remember if the Amigoid POS is POS or P-OS, but >it was to also run on a Pios One :^) <GAMESHOW HOST>Ooooh, you were so close. It was actually spelt "pOS." Let's see what you could have won! ;) >Oh, BLEEP! Any news on the BoXeR? I'd wanted a BoXeR so bad it isn't >funny, but Mick has been dragging his feet for so long I'm no longer sure. Mick has a severe case of the flu apparently, so the BoXeR has been delayed. >I'd thought the Siamese Hardware was ready to go and all that was left was >the drivers. I'm sure all the people that preordered these love this news. >I didn't preorder one for two reasons, lack of faith in it being completed, >and the main reason is there was no mention of Linux support. As you are on the Team Amiga ML I'm sure you've already got the mail from the Siamese PCI crew about the current problems with the board so I won't mention that. Have you looked on the Siamese website recently? They are moving towards the Linux market with a new range of cheap Linux-based systems called the TVNC. It mentions that the Siamese PCI card can be used with these machines so I presume Linux support has, or will be added. Hans Franke wrote: >Don't cary the CP/M flag that low - With 3.0 and GSX CP/M was ready >as major player in the GUI world ? What's GEM as used on the ATARI ST >other than a bautified CP/M and GSX based system with an added desktop >manager ? And I bet nobody will deny that the ST was a major step in >the GUI war. Well, it certainly helped many people to use a greener computer. BTW I noticed a while ago that http://cws86.kyamk.fi/mirrors/cpm/gemworld.html includes an archive with what they claim is the TOS source code for 68010. Has anyone tried it? -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide | ICQ No. 24185856 http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"

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Scanning old manuals

by lundo＠interport.net

Eric Smith wrote: > For pages that consist solely of text and line art, scan them as 300 DPI > TIFF Class F Group 4. That takes only 40-120K per page. I put the > resulting images into a PDF file, since most people don't have any other > G4-capable reader, and G4 is supported as a native PDF image format. > [...] > Some results of my scanning can be seen at www.36bit.org. The decsystem-1080/1090 manual is quite readable, and the 136-page 12175kB PDF file averages out to about 89.5kB/page. Then, Sergey Svishchev wrote: > Example: 39-page A4-size document scanned at 300dpi is 1.5 MB in TIFF > format (Group 4 Fax compression), 84 MB in Level 1 PostScript (PStill > does not grok Level 2 PostScript produced by tiff2ps.) > > Result: 3.5 MB PDF (could be less, if PStill used CCITTFaxEncoding.) That comes to about 89.7 kB/page, which agrees with Eric's doc above. -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Robert Lund | Out here on the perimeter there are no stars + + lundo(a)interport.net | Out here we is stoned - Immaculate + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Scanning old manuals

by edick＠idcomm.com

I use some software called TypeMaster Pro, or something very close to that with an old monochrome legal size scanner with sheetfeeder, namely a Microtek 300, which I've had for about 10 years. I normally plunked a manual in the feeder (once the binding was cut off) and scanned all the odd, then all the even pages. It rejects the pictures, of course, but you only have to nurse it through the first 10 or so pages, by which time it's learned the font and punctuations in common use in the manual and can do the rest more or less by itself. Unfortunately it has to be retrained for the second pass. What it does is pretty slick, though, in that it looks at the alignment and actually straightens out a sheet which has been fed crooked. It can't replace text it didn't see, but it does a pretty good job. One of my colleagues made a quick machine readable copy of the State's revised statutes in order to investigate a case in which he was involved. It required less than half a day for him to do that. Dick ---------- > From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: Scanning old manuals > Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 4:21 PM > > > Last I checked, that was a USD 3,000 camera. Prices may have gone > > down, however. Note that there's no way anything less than the $10K > > Hasselblad backs that magazines use for studio work can equal a 600dpi > > scan. > > > Which 35mm film are you using? There are some really nifty Kodak > > technical films -- Tekpan something or other (4-digit number?) is an > > ASA 25 black & white film, although you'd need a few hundred dollars > > of lighting equipment to use it for this application. OTOH, T-Max 125 > > probably delivers more than enough quality for the job. ^_^ > > Hey, you can save a ton of work scanning and get far better resolution than > the average scanner by taking the pictures on 35mm film with a good closeup > lense and having Kodak process it on to a photocd. Most graphics packages > (ie photodeluxe) can read photocds directly. > -- > Jim Strickland > jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? > -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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wither the MAC address of DELQNA?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Ok, so a uVax II can't do a 'test 50' to print out its MAC address, and it <isn't marked on the card itself. I can't seem to get tcpdump to see <anything, do I need a sniffer to get this puppy? <--Chuck The uVaxII is dumb but not braindead. The console has the ability to examin, find, deposit to any location and devices are in that list! So short of pulling the card and read the printing on the PROM you can do a Examine/Physical/Word/n:5 of the six locations starting at: >>>E/P/W/n:5 2003FF920, I forget. havent had to do that for years. If it's wrong, someone correct me it's something I haven't done in 6 years. The DEQNA and DELQA are identical in the console command and addresses needed to dump the MAC. If it doesnt' respond it may have a different address other than the default in the device switches on the card. Allison

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AMSOFT on DISK

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Nice enough laser printers for their day, but they tend to overheat, if <memory serves. If you get one, make SURE the fan works. Check. I seem <to recall we had problems with those on a Vax site I worked on once. Only if the fans are missing or dead. I was part of that design team and overheating was never a problem. The most common problem was a printer designed for an peak use of 5,000 pages a month being used as a line printer. They get a bit tired and cranky if they werent kept clean and get over a million pages on them. Inshort they were commonly abused. Oh, one note... there are about 5 versions of the printer depeinding on the logic (ansi, enhanced ansi, postscript, postscript/ansi hybrid, video engine <part of QPSS package>). Oh the launch date is 1984 and production continued through 90-91 (memory test). Allison

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Scanning old manuals

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 9, 14:05, Stephen Dauphin wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > That's not what I'd call "high". That means that on average, you have to > > correct or interpret every tenth character. I'd call less than 99% "low", > > not high. > That's not what I meant. I did not study the results closely and so I > wrote "high 90%" as a disclaimer to mean something like 98, 98.5, 99, > 99.5, or 99.9. Perhaps I should have used the word "range". It seemed to > me that I was getting less than 1 to no more than two words per hundred > that needed correcting and I don't remember any punctuation or numerical > errors. Ah, that's a bit different, then :-) What software? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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IIRC

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Ok, this is bugging me so I'm going to finally ask.... I know what most of the standard abbreviations are (AFAIK, IMHO, BTW, etc...) What is IIRC?????? :) Jay West

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Scanning old manuals

by jim＠ezol.com

>> Leaving them as a scanned image is the easy way out, but isn't always >> practical. Some pages I have have very small print, and the resolution >> of the image required to make this text readable makes for huge files. > >For pages that consist solely of text and line art, scan them as 300 DPI >TIFF Class F Group 4. That takes only 40-120K per page. I put the >resulting images into a PDF file, since most people don't have any other >G4-capable reader, and G4 is supported as a native PDF image format. This is what I have been doing.... I gave up on JPG and GIF even though they are directly supported by the major browsers because the image quality wasn't there and file sizes were getting out of hand when attempts were made to preserve image quality. TIFF on the other hand, works well, and is quite compressable. Pretty much consigns you to putting them in a PDF though, which isn't all that evil I suppose. The one attractive thing we loose by creating 60meg PDF files is the ability to browse pages without downloading the entire thing.... Or am I missing something in Acrobat that will pull pages on demand >from a table of contents? >Some people always flame me about disliking PDF because they can't run >Acrobat Reader on their Commdore 64, but realisticly I've found that more >people have access to Acrobat Reader than any other viewer. My attitude >is that if I spend the time to scan the docs and make them available >free on my web site, people that don't like it can take a hike. I have no real problem with PDF. I am just trying to reduce my labor investment, and produce quality end results. >I've written a program using PDFlib to automate creating the PDF from a >directory full of G4 files. This sounds rather useful... :-) >For greyscale and color images, I'm working on a process to separate out >the images, use G4 coding on the monochrome portion of the page, and >overlay the images in JPEG format. This will also work nicely with >Acrobat reader, since it can support overlaid images, whereas most other >viewer software can't. This will help a lot too.... >Some results of my scanning can be seen at www.36bit.org. Note that >most of those scans were done *before* I got a sheet feeder. In my >experience, although there is some skew with the feeder, there is less >skew than when I do the pages manually, and the skew is more consistent >from page to page. If I get really motivated I'll write some deskewing >software. What scanner are you using? Your scans look pretty good. Did you do that 500+ page manual by hand or with the sheet feeder? :-) Right now I have a stock HP Scanjet 4C, but am considering investing in a ledger-size scanner with a decent sheet feeder so I can archive not only my manuals, but my printsets as well. >Eric Jim

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WAS: rebadged - etc etc etc

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

The question of "what classic equipment was rebadged" is circular. To be honest, I can't think of any computer equipment I've ever seen in my life that wasn't at some time or other rebadged, oemed, merged, etc. under a different name. Why don't we just change the question to "what classic equipment was never rebadged". If we do that, the conversation is basically over :) Jay West

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Old multimedia demos

by max82＠surfree.com

I found two CDs full of promotional kiosk demos which run on MS-DOS. The demos are of office apps such as DBase IV, etc. The most interesting demos are for the early Windows programs. If anyone would like me to upload any of these (many famous products from -88,-89) just name it. The Windows one is simply hilarious: "In the beginning, there was DOS..." I also found a CD that is full of in-store demos of Macintosh System 7 (hypercard 'n stuff). No word yet on availability of macintosh manuals mentioned earlier. --Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)

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7900A drives

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

I finally got a 7900A drive! Does anyone have any extra of the media for it they might part with or know where one can get that media at a reasonable price? The 7900A uses a 12869A cartridge, which I don't believe is the same media used in 7905 or 7906 drives (I think those used 12940 cartridges, don't recall at the moment). Thanks in advance for any tips and/or pointers! Jay West

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WAS: rebadged - etc etc etc

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>>>And _History of Personal Workstations_ seems to classify the HP 9100 (1968) >>>as a workstation. >> >>Oh, did you mean graphical workstation? Then maybe it was the DEC GT40, >>introduced in 1972. > >What about the Tectronics terminals with vector graphics? I remember >playing basketball on one in 74. Both the GT40 and HP9100 were vector displays, too :-). (Although to get "vector graphics" on the 9100 you need the optional X-Y pen plotter.) The HP9100 is a very nice "personal compute machine", and the example I inherited was once used to compute the original space probe "slingshot" trajectories by Van Allen at the University of Iowa. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Found today...

by scott＠isd.canberra.edu.au

Hello All, At 06:37 PM 3/4/99 -0500, Lance Lyon <black(a)gco.apana.org.au> wrote: >Added the following to my growing collection today : [Snip] >An IBM (no model number) two internal side-by-side black 3.5" floppies, >non-standard monitor connector, PS/2 style mouse & k/brd connectors, >small grey box, about the width of a normal keyboard, 5" high, about 12" >deep. On the rear "Manufactured by IBM Japan 1987" nothing else. Sounds to me like an IBM JX. It was pretty much IBM's last attempt to get into the low-cost home micro market. It was similar to the PC Jr in many respects. For a bit more info, check out http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~alexios/MACHINE-ROOM/IBM_JX.html Regards, | Scott McLauchlan |E-Mail: scott(a)cts.canberra.edu.au | | Network Services Team |Phone : +61 2 6201 5544 (Ext.5544)| | Client Services Division |Post : University of Canberra, | | University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA | ACT, 2601, AUSTRALIA. |

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YANU - uVax

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<The RQDX3 would let you use an RX50, but it's not clear to me that this <buys you very much. I don't think you can install VMS, Ultrix, or NetBSD <from RX50s. At least, I've never heard of it being done. Assuming you have it on RX50s it can be done and was in the "early days". My first V4.6 install was from floppy (RX50) as memory serves there were some 60-80 of them. NetBSD can boot and do the initial install from RX50 as I'd tried it, unfortunatly it was 1.2C and that really killed the fun for me. Ultrix was also available on RX50 for a while. NONE were recommended but if it was all you had... Allison

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Info needed: PDP-11/03

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

My source came through again. Today I picked up what is supposed to be a PDP-11/03. Can anyone point me to a good URL to identify the cards in it and provide some general info. I don't know anything about PDP-11s. Joe

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Scanning old manuals

by jim＠ezol.com

>Okay, > > I have some old computer manuals and I just bought a scanner...... Anyone >care to suggest the best way to convert these manuals to electronic form >and not take up HUGE amounts of memory? I'm looking for insight on this as well... I've been experimenting with various ways to convert my old manuals and listings to electronic form with mixed results. It is not as easy as it might seem. The first problem is how labor intensive this is. Just a 100 page manual could take hours to scan front and back of every page. A scanner with a GOOD sheet feeder that doesn't skew the pages would be very desirable here. Next, is how to balance the text content with the graphical content of the pages. Do you leave the pages as a scanned image? Or do you try to OCR them? Leaving them as a scanned image is the easy way out, but isn't always practical. Some pages I have have very small print, and the resolution of the image required to make this text readable makes for huge files. I have attempted to OCR several of my manuals, but this is labor intensive as well, since the OCR dictionary seems ignorant to any technical term or abbriviation, and the formatting of the pages gives it fits too. What is the answer? I have a huge pile of old, hard to find docs that I am eager to put in electronic form for many reasons... ease of access, sharing with others, preserving hard to find information, getting some space back that's currently occupied by a mountain of books..... >Thanks, > >Arfon Thanks, Jim

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WAS: rebadged - etc etc etc

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

At 03:09 PM 3/9/99 -0500, Tim wrote: >> >>The HP9100 is a very nice "personal compute machine", and the example >>I inherited was once used to compute the original space probe "slingshot" >>trajectories by Van Allen at the University of Iowa. > Can you document that? They were rescued from a dumpster behind the U of Iowa's Van Allen Hall in the fall of '89. The 9100 and the plotter have Dept of Navy property stickers on them that could be used to trace usage back, assuming that any such records were kept. My conversations with Van Allen and other staff there didn't turn up anything showing that this was conclusively that calculator, though the fact that he had used a identical 9100+plotter combination for the calculations was enough to convince me. (Heck, I would've rescued the 9100 in any event.) >If you can prove that it's the one that you have then I'd say you have a >item of historical significance. You ought to try hanging out at national labs for a while. Just about everything gets junked. I had a blast at Caltech/JPL looking in the back of machine shops for WWII-era rocket assemblies. Found a lot of really cool assemblies, but obviously no complete rockets :-) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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wither the MAC address of DELQNA?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Ok, so a uVax II can't do a 'test 50' to print out its MAC address, and it >isn't marked on the card itself. I can't seem to get tcpdump to see >anything, do I need a sniffer to get this puppy? Hmm - the boot request is actually far below TCP/IP in the protocol scheme, so it's not surprising that at least some versions of tcpdump don't see it. Does the tcpdump that you're running have a promiscuous mode (usually '-p')? Most boot servers can be set in a mode where they print out the hardware address of anything that makes a request. From VMS, you can just log in, do a REPLY/ENABLE, and you'll see the hardware address whenever anything on the net requests a boot. If you have a DEC machine that has an ability to show its hardware address (e.g. just about anything except a uVax II), you can pull the bipolar PROM on the DEQNA and drop it into the "more capable" machine and show the address burnt into the PROM. AFAIK all the DEC hardware address PROM's are interchangable. Alternatively, just boot VMS on the uVax, get into NCP, and do a SHOW CHAR LINE * to show the hardware addresses of all the configured ports: $ mcr ncp NCP>show char line * Known Line Volatile Characteristics as of 9-MAR-1999 17:37:22 Line = SVA-0 Receive buffers = 10 Controller = normal Protocol = Ethernet Service timer = 4000 Hardware address = 08-00-2B-39-7B-64 Device buffer size = 1498 -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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E&L Mini-Micro Designer

by fauradon＠pclink.com

This should probably be in the scanning document thread but... What format should I used for this kind of scans? I thought GIF was pretty universal. I'm not sure if I can produce PS outputs and the size of the files, I'll give it a try... Hold on... Francois >This gives me an interesting dilemma. Is it going to be quicker for me to >figure out some way to print that out on my Postscript printer or for me >to trace the schematics out from the real hardware :-) > >-tony >

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NEC APC

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I found my copy of the Oct 1983 issue of Byte magazine with the article about the NEC APC. If anyone wants a copy, E-mail me directly. Joe

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wither the MAC address of DELQNA?

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

Ok, so a uVax II can't do a 'test 50' to print out its MAC address, and it isn't marked on the card itself. I can't seem to get tcpdump to see anything, do I need a sniffer to get this puppy? --Chuck

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WAS: rebadged - etc etc etc

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

You wrote... >PERQ? (Or do you count the fact that you can get them with PERQ systems >and ICL nameplates as badging. On the grounds they were partially >developped by both companies, I am not so sure). I would have to call that rebadging, but I do see your point on that one. >PERQ 3a (only ever ICL) > >Philips machines (although they _did_ badge other people's PCs at one point) > >Acorn Archimedes? > >HP9100 (a computer in all but name) > >Xerox Alto, D-machines? Yes, but would most people call ALL of these classic? Not to disparage them, but... perhaps it's my interpretation of "classic" getting in the way. Jay West

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E&L Mini-Micro Designer

by fauradon＠pclink.com

I just uploaded the schematics as published in Radio Electronics in May 1976 it's at : www.pclink.com/fauradon under the tech info page. Francois >I picked up an 8080 bread board trainer made by E&L Instruments this >weekend. Does anyone have a manual for it? > > Joe >

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Apple //c vs //c+

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Found a few reference documents from Apple: Apple IIc Plus: How It's Different From The Apple IIc http://til.info.apple.com/tilarchive.nsf/artnum/n1814 Apple IIc: Specifications http://til.info.apple.com/tilarchive.nsf/artnum/n312 Apple IIc Plus: Specifications http://til.info.apple.com/tilarchive.nsf/artnum/n3247 Apple IIc Plus: External Pinouts http://til.info.apple.com/tilarchive.nsf/artnum/n3798 Francois

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E&L Mini-Micro Designer

by fauradon＠pclink.com

There I've saved the two images in EPS (Encapsulated Postcript format). Now for the bad news: The files are about ten times bigger than their GIF counterparts. I can not afford to place them on my server but if you don't mind long downloads I can send them to you as attachement. Francois I knew there was a reason for using GIF:) >> I just uploaded the schematics as published in Radio Electronics in May 1976 >> it's at : >> www.pclink.com/fauradon >> under the tech info page. > >This gives me an interesting dilemma. Is it going to be quicker for me to >figure out some way to print that out on my Postscript printer or for me >to trace the schematics out from the real hardware :-) > >-tony >

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VAX 11/780 in today's Washington Post

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

In case anyone's interested, a front page story in today's (Tuesday, 9-MAR-1999) Washington's Post features a picture of a "VAX 11/780 Supercomputer" in a discussion of US policies towards supercomputer exports. The computer and two tape drives (TU77's?) are clearly visible. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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YANU - uVax

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>The RQDX3 would let you use an RX50, but it's not clear to me that this >buys you very much. I don't think you can install VMS, Ultrix, or NetBSD >from RX50s. MicroVMS 4.x - a trimmed down VMS kit intended specifically for small installations - came on a couple dozen RX50's. I think this is just about as cruel as the Wagner Ring Cycle on "convenient" 45's. You can still build a VMS STABACKUP (standalone backup) kit on RX33's or RX50's, should you so desire. Just do @SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT and answer the questions. The most convenient install medium for the past decade or so, of course, is CD-ROM. Alternatively, clustering a machine with an already-up node and moving the install sets over the network is pretty slick. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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YANU - uVax

by emu＠ecubics.com

Hi, ---------- > From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: YANU - uVax > Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 1:08 AM > > At 10:39 PM 3/8/99 -0800, Zane H. Healy wrote: > >You are joking about wanting to "upgrade" aren't you? The only reason I > >can think of to do that is to attach a RX50, since you've already got a > >very good ESDI controller. I have all the controllers/rx50 ... I never used it. ESDI disks are easy to get, more capacity, .... > Yes, the only reason I want to add the RQDX3 is to have a monitor prom > supported bootable device with removable media. One of the uVax has the > Exabyte on it (I don't know if the Viking will boot it or not) and the > other has no media at all (although it does have a TK50 controller so if I > could find a TK50 drive that would work.) A TK50 is cheap, and you can boot from. > I'm going to try to net-boot NetBSD on it since I don't have any other > VAXen to cluster it with. If that is successful then perhaps it won't be > such a big deal, but I dislike computers that have a fairly high > infrastructure overhead before you can get them running. ?!?!?!?! Sorry, i have 2-3 uVax here, all of them have only cpu/mem/ethernet. All of them are working fine. "infrastructure overhead" ???? just my .0002 cents. cheers, emanuel

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Scanning old manuals

by edick＠idcomm.com

I had high hopes of benefitting from my sheet-fed scanner by scanning large software and hardware manuals into machine-readable files and searching them, but it turned out there is no easy way. Most scanner software sets, even the ones costing less than $100 including the scanner, have a "scan to text" mode, which means you lose all the illustrations but get a machine-readable text file. Subsequently, you have to reconnect them to the pictures by composing a new version of the document and inserting the pictures, scanned as line art or as color pictures, with the associated disk-space consumption. Tables, screened half-tones, and other highly structured images, regardless of the fact their content is really text, need to be treated as graphics because of the alignment of the printing grid with the scanner grid. If you scan screened photos, you can get lucky with the pictures, but it is just that . . . LUCK. Normally you have to take the most trouble with screened half-tone pictures. Once the document is scanned and composed, you can compress it and ship it around on the internet as an object. Dick ---------- > From: Arfon Gryffydd <arfonrg(a)texas.net> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Scanning old manuals > Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 9:33 AM > > Okay, > > I have some old computer manuals and I just bought a scanner...... Anyone > care to suggest the best way to convert these manuals to electronic form > and not take up HUGE amounts of memory? > > Thanks, > > Arfon

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Scanning old manuals

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 9, 12:32, Stephen Dauphin wrote: > I'd like to second this notion. Could those on this list, who are > scanning for posterity, share their methods? > > What platform(s), what hardware(s), what software(s). Any intermediary > format(s), final output format(s). Whatever it takes. I, too, would appreciate thoughts on software/platform. > [I note Jim Stricklan's reply came in while writing this. I have scanned > down to newspaper legal notice size. Is this 6 point? It OCRed virtually > identically at 200 or 300 dpi and the results were high 90%] That's not what I'd call "high". That means that on average, you have to correct or interpret every tenth character. I'd call less than 99% "low", not high. Our Department looked at this a few years ago, and rejected anything less than 95%, I think. Even that means correcting (or as one person put it, "clicking on") one character in every twenty. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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E&L Mini-Micro Designer

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I picked up an 8080 bread board trainer made by E&L Instruments this weekend. Does anyone have a manual for it? Joe

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Interesting to note about Altairs...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<'click on this little picture to make it go'. Linux will do some damage i <the server market and other places where you have to have someone with som <computer smarts but, most corporate purse strings are again controlled by <those same 'click-idiots'. Not, will do. It is one of the significant players in the server market and growing. In that market teh cost of ownership and the ability to find people that know it and can grow it are big pluses. <I really wish GNU would take a good command line OS (like CP/M), make it <32/64 bit, and multi-tasking/user and add a GUI and try and compete with <Winblows. I'm a CP/m advocate but that really doesn't fly. First there are CP/M emulators for Linux already. The other is CP/M was never a prime time candidate for a GUI thing being totally single user and single tasking, the later CCPM may have had a shot. To keep closer to topic. Those that forget CP/M and what it was will forever repeat it's errors. It was good, is good and limited. The lack of heirachal directories is a serious limitation for modern software another is the size of disk and files (8mb in 2.2, 3.0 got it to 32mb). The single thread and single task problem would have to be dealt with as well. Then all the apps one would want would have to be ported from Z80 or worse 8088. There are people trying to do windows like/compatable interfaces but hitting the MS APIs is like shooting at a moving target. Besides Linux/unix has xwindows. What's missing is applications that appeal to those that already know windows. On the desktop no one cares what the OS is so long as the application they want/need runs under it. Allison

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Sorry...

by Anthony.Eros＠digital.com

Sheesh! Don't you just hate it when someone replies to the whole list instead of the one relevant person? Even worse, when they waste even more bandwidth and email space with useless "whole list" apologies! :-) -- Tony

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Interesting to note about Altairs...

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Actually, I like them both for what they are. CP/M is nice because it is >simple. No libraries, no shared files, all files that are needed for an >application are usually in one directory and not strewn across the >directory structure. (But, it doesn't TCP/IP. DAMN!) > >Linux on the other hand is GREAT for it's multi-user, multi-tasking and >networking abilities! I love every one of my Linux boxes! But, it is a >flavor of Unix and therefore has endless numbers of library files (that >somehow are never the right version) and an application's needed support >files are strewn across 50 different directories. You make the "real world" sound like it's a competition between Microsoft products and Unix-derived products. In reality, there are many OS's out there which fall into neither category and are more than capable (and in all cases more capable than Unix-like or Microsoft OS's) to do the real-world jobs that they do. And many of these OS's run quite nicely on classic hardware, to boot. Anyone who thinks that the OS issue is entirely limited to Unix-alikes vs Microsoft vs CP/M is putting on a very limiting set of blinders as to what is out there doing the real work in banks, offices, factories, labs, and hospitals. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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HP-85 belts/Capstan repair

by Anthony.Eros＠digital.com

Michael - I was part of the HP-85 belt group buy (5 sets,) but I can't find your note with the total owed and mailing address to send payment. Would you please resend the info to me? Thanks! -- Tony Eros 2105 Anson Road Wilmington, DE 19810 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Grigoni [SMTP:msg@computerpro.com] Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 3:46 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: HP-85 belts/Capstan repair Greetings to all: Since I've been absent for about a week, 800 messages have piled-up from the list; reviewing them will take awhile so I'm posting this to report on the HP-85 belt/capstan issues status globally. The belts have arrived and are being mailed-out early this week. I installed a set in our HP-85 and they work well. I tried a new approach to capstan repair which I find works very well. Clean the capstan of old rubber down to a minimal amount of residue with isopropyl. Obtain a can of dipping vinyl (for coating tool handles, etc.); most hardware stores should have it. Remove the capstan/encoder wheel ass'y from the motor shaft. Prepare the vinyl properly according to directions with the product. Dip the capstan (inverted) at the rate of about 5 seconds for its length, being careful to just dip just above the bottom rim of the capstan wheel so that the vinyl creates an overlap of 90 degrees. Withdraw the part at the same rate as insertion. Immediately invert the part and place on a level surface in a warm place to dry for four hours. During the drying time you will note that any vertical asymmetry evens out. Repeat with another dip and 4 hour dry. The results were very good and tests with an old tape containing an 84 record program produced no errors (reading or writing). Attached is a small jpg which gives an idea of the appearance of the results (max mag. avail with the camera lens). Michael Grigoni Cybertheque Museum << File: CAPSTAN2.JPG >>

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More HP manuals (some new, some previously posted)

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Note - the following item... >> Magnetic tape diagnostic nine-track 7970/13181 This is the manual for the diagnostic, not the diagnostic itself! Jay West

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The new Amigas

by gareth.knight2＠which.net

John Foust replied: >>In a lot of cases Commodore shipped prototype machines to >>various maufacturers. I believe they used Sun systems to >>develop the original AmigaOS. > >They used Stratus 68000 boxes in the very early days. I remember >that; I don't remember the use of Suns quite as well. Yes that was it. I was confusing them with the Sun machines that the Los Gatos team bought after they were bought by Commodore. -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide | ICQ No. 24185856 http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"

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More HP manuals (some new, some previously posted)

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

Was cleaning out the manual shelf again... The following manuals are available free to a good home (yes, the titles are exact, if not long): Magnetic tape diagnostic nine-track 7970/13181 Maintenance manual 30032B asynchronous terminal controller for HP3000 computer systems Maintenance manual 30115A nine-track (NRZI-PE) magnetic tape subsystem for HP3000 computer systems Installation and service manual model 7905a cartridge disc subsystem for HP3000 computer systems Installation and service manual 40018A plenum assembly Installation and service manual model 13037A disc controller Operating and service manual 7970B/7970C digital magnetic tape units Operating and service manual 7970B/7970C digital magnetic tape units There is two of the last title. These are all manuals I have no use for or have duplicates of. Please - someone take them! Jay West

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What classic equipment was rebadged?

by russmiller＠jps.net

>> HP machines at the last VCF?). But if TI puts bids out, then they care even >> less than I thought. Unless they have some perverse internal bid system? > >No, that's TI bidding the calculators to school districts. Obviously >they have to build what their customers want. I think 'bid specifications' have nothing to do with what customers want. It is boilerplate to be included in specifications for competitive bidding which will exclude other similar products. I've seen this done - you pick some irrelevant, but unique, features of the product you want to buy. Maybe you can avoid competitive bidding altogether by writing a sole-source justification. TI is just streamlining the acquisition process. Russ

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YANU - uVax

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

(Yet Another Update) Thanks Megan! It turned out that when I removed the Viking tape card to inspect it I re-inserted it backward (no ears on that one). That meant the RQ11 wouldn't fit in slot 6 and that meant an empty slot. Q1) So how badly does it toast things in the Q-bus to be backwards in slots A-B ? Q2) Do all empty slots need to have bus grant boards? --Chuck

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PDP-11 (Qbus) disk question

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Is it impossible to use an RQDX2 on the Q-bus side of a DW11-B? I've run >a Unibus machine (an 11/45) with an RLV11, IBV11, MINC modules, etc on >the other side of a DW11-B with no problems. > >Never heard of it being done, but it might be fun to try.... I've never tried it myself, but if I had an 11/84, I would... I might just try having the cpu, mem, mem and a DELQA in the qbus part... But then, it has been a while since I last saw the insides of an 11/84 (I built one from parts found in the halls of the DEC Mill for use by the RT-11 development group way back when... We hadn't yet been able to requisition one, but had to support it anyway :-) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Help, yet again...

by dogas＠leading.net

-----Original Message----- From: Megan <mbg(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Sorry... once I get my mits around hardware, it is hard to pry it >away from me... :-) Your husband must be very happy. ;) OK, you don't get to borrow it, but I'll look out for a second one with you in mind. - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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Looking for a Versatec boot disk

by mikeparadiso＠worldnet.att.net

I recently picked up an old Versatec 8536 electrostatic plotter at a Hughes auction. When I inspected it, all the disks were there. A week later when I picked it up, as you might guess, all the 3.5" disks were gone. I am now looking for a set of disks to copy or purchase. Call Mike at 323 462-5772 or email mikeparadiso(a)worldnet.att.net

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YANU - uVax

by mbg＠world.std.com

Darn, there was a mistake... so I had to redo it... - - - - - Let me answer like this... In a BA123: o The Qbus passes direct from slot1/ab to slot4/ab o For slots 5-12, it does the serpentine (5/ab, 5/cd, 6/cd, 6/ab, 7/ab, 7/cd, etc...) o All dual boards must be placed at some point in the serpentine. For slots 1-4, this means AB. For slots 5-12, this can be either AB or CD. o Quad boards which may not go in CD must go in slots 5-12 o For quad boards which can be either CD or Q/CD, the jumpers on-board must be set for the slot you are placing it in (there should be a couple of jumpers which are removed if the board is placed in a Q/CD slot, 1-4, and installed if it is placed in a Q/Q slot, 5-12) o For quad boards which can only go in Q/Q, they may only be placed in slots 5-12. o If you follow the serpentine, there should be no empty Qbus slots between the processor and the last board in the bus (there are exceptions, but for now regard it as a hard and fast rule). o For any gaps in the serpentine, you should install a M9047 o The RQDX1 is a mutant, since it doesn't pass any grant signals, it must be the last board in the bus o The RQDX2 tried to correct this, but didn't quite - it must be the last DMA device in the backplane... Non-DMA boards *can* be placed after it That's it in a nutshell. For a BA23, the critical numbers are slots 1-3 == Q/CD, 4-8 == Q/Q. There are also some backplanes with Q/CD in all slots, and some which are Q/Q in all slots. Know thy backplane! Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Help, yet again...

by mbg＠world.std.com

>After I get it built and have a chance to grok and run a few laps in it, >I'll let you *BORROW* it if you wish... Sorry... once I get my mits around hardware, it is hard to pry it away from me... :-) Thanks, I'll look for one of my own... :-) Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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YANU - uVax

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Thanks Megan! Any time... glad to help... >It turned out that when I removed the Viking tape card to inspect it I >re-inserted it backward (no ears on that one). That meant the RQ11 >wouldn't fit in slot 6 and that meant an empty slot. Whoops... I've done that once before (*once*) >Q1) So how badly does it toast things in the Q-bus to be backwards in >slots A-B ? >Q2) Do all empty slots need to have bus grant boards? Let me answer like this... In a BA123: o The Qbus passes direct from slot1/ab to slot4/ab o For slots 5-12, it does the serpentine (4/cd, 5/cd, 5/ab, 6/ab, 6/cd, etc) o All dual boards must be placed at some point in the serpentine. For slots 1-4, this means AB. For slots 5-12, this can be either AB or CD. o Quad boards which are not for CD, must go in slots 5-12 o For quad boards which can be either CD or Q/CD, the jumpers on-board must be set for the slot you are placing it in (there should be a couple of jumpers which are removed if the board is placed in a Q/CD slot, and installed if it is placed in a Q/Q slot) o For quad boards which can only go in Q/Q, they may only be placed in slots 5-12. o If you follow the serpentine, there should be no empty Qbus slots between the processor and the last board in the bus (there are exceptions, but for now regard it as a hard and fast rule). o For any gaps in the serpentine, you should install a M9047 That's it in a nutshell. For a BA23, the critical numbers are slots 1-3 == Q/CD, 4-8 == Q/Q Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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FW: PDP-11/70's - Now you can owe one of these great work horses

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

My God... and now we've got free PDP-11/70's in California. With SCSI, no less! Grab 'em while you can! -=-=- <break> -=-=- On Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:48:25 -0800, in alt.sys.pdp11 you wrote: >>Message-ID: <36E453B9.E69B85EE(a)jps.net> >>Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:48:25 -0800 >>From: "E.B. Lieberman" <ebliebe(a)jps.net> >>Organization: Bank of America >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11,comp.os.rsts,comp.os.vms >>Subject: PDP-11/70's - Now you can owe one of these great work horses >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.202.39 >>X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.239.202.39 >>X-Trace: 8 Mar 1999 23:14:51 -0800, 209.239.202.39 >>Lines: 60 >>X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.224.240 >>Path: news1.jps.net!209.239.202.39 >>Xref: news1.jps.net alt.sys.pdp11:952 comp.os.rsts:69 comp.os.vms:21006 >> >>Now you can own a PDP-11/70! Yep, that's right. >> >> I'm not talking about those little 11/8x and 11/9x Q-bus jobs. >> I'm talking about the real thing; you know with MASSBUS and all. >> >>A global financial institution, previously headquartered in Northern >>California, is getting ready to say goodbye to the last of its >>PDP-11/70's. These machines (there are eight of them), were used as >>message store and forward switches for nearly 20 years. Great minds >>have tried to count the number of times the world wide GNP have flowed >>through these systems; and failed !!! >> >>Each CPU has roughly the same configuration as follows: >> >> QED 11/70 processor upgrade with 4Mb memory plus cache running at >>multiple VUP speeds. >> (Wow, faster than a 11/780, VAX engineering - eat your hearts >>out); >> >> Two System Industries CLUSTOR III MASSBUS disk controllers with 16 >>Seagate 1.0 Gig drives >> built with SMD interfaces. Ten drives are fixed while the remaining >>are in removable >> canisters; >> >> One Fujitsu 2480M/3480 SCSI tape drive (emulates a TU81) plus >>SCSI-UNIBUS controller; >> >> One TE16 or TU16 magtape drive (MASSBUS); >> >> Two DV-11's with modem control (16 channel sync or async adapters) >>and custom drivers >> set up for a variation on IBM BISYNC; >> >> Three DZ-11's and an ETHERNET DELUA; >> >> Plus software to show you that all hardware components are >>functional; >> >>Did I say eight (8) CPU's? There's more !! >>For a short time only, we can throw in tons of spares that include: >> >> More QED's, SETASI memory (2Mb and 4Mb), more DV-11's, more DZ-11's, >>full 11/70 CPU kits, >> DH-11's, DHQ-11's, 50-60 extra Seagate drives, as described above, >>in removable canisters, >> 24 or so extra SI CLUSTOR controllers, 3 to its own 19" rack. >> >>Am I finished? No way !!! >> >> I'll even throw in a few RP06 disk packs. The platters are great >>for making Frisbee's out of >> (kids, don't play with these without adult supervision). >> >> Boxes of hardware manuals and even a TECO manual (the first real >>editor that today still has the >> best macro generator going). >> >>So if you are interested in taking the entire lot (en masse), then drop >>me a line and we can talk about it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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FW: Free PDP-11/34A in Germany

by kyrrin＠my-dejanews.com

Don't know if we have any subscribers in or near Germany, but... If so, this may be worth a shot. Contact the owner directly if interested. -=-=- <break> -=-=- From: "Norbert Gmeinwieser" <NorbertGmeinwieser(a)swol.de> Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: PDP11/34A for free Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:55:55 +0100 Lines: 38 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: kons57.swol.de Message-ID: <36e43894(a)news.swol.de> X-Trace: 8 Mar 1999 21:52:36 +0100, kons57.swol.de Organization: personal X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.238.142.105 Path: news1.jps.net!news.pbi.net!131.119.28.147!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.flash.net!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!news-feed1.de1.concert.net!news.ipcore.viaginterkom.de!news.swol.de!kons57.swol.de Xref: news1.jps.net alt.sys.pdp11:950 Because of lack of time I would like to give my PDP11 in good hands. Location: South Germany, Konstanz The following modules are installed: KD11-EA M8266,M8265 FP11-A M8267 Bootstrap ROM M9301YF Prog. Console M7859 MOS Memory 248K (not DEC !) RX11 Unibus M7846, (2 Drives #0,#1 in a box = RX01) DL11/W SLU/RTC M7856 Tape Drive TS03 M7911,M7912,M7821,M796,M105,M795 RK11-D Control. M7254,M7255,M7256,M7257 some Unibus connectors M9202,M920 Bus Terminator M9302 Complete in a 19" * 71" cabinet 2 RK05J drives are mounted - one with a deffective blower motor. additional: * a complete box BA?? with memory,CPU, RK05 controller can be used as spare parts. * other spare parts: CPU and RK11 Control - boards only * media : may be 100 8" floppy disks, ~10 decpack for RK05J * OS: RT11, floppy set for RT11-03 (one with read errors), fortran 4 (not tested) last power on time was some years (~3) ago. any questions to: NorbertGmeinwieser(a)swol.de -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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SWTPC and NETRONICS Parts

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

I could use the MP-A2, how much you asking? Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Apple //c

by fauradon＠pclink.com

My mistake, I was misleading in saying that the cricket is in a separate enclosure; actually it is in it's own box with only a cable coming out with a connector that could fit in the modem or printer connectors (Serial device comes to mind) I'll do more web search before posting on the comp.sys.apple2 Thanks for the answers Francois >On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Francois wrote: > >> I just got a //c over the Week End, >> It came with what looks like a sound system: the item is in a separate >> enclosure with what looks like a speaker and a volume knob. It's labelled >> "cricket". Does anyone on the list have any infor on this item? Power >> requirement, software that uses it etc... > >Its a speech synthesizer speaker box. Unless a Cricket card was made that >could be installed inside the //c (I'm not aware of such a thing although >I won't rule it out) then this box probably went with something like a //e >that did have the speech synthesizer card in it. > >Er, wait a second, I'm thinking of something different. I do remember >reading articles in mid-80s Apple magazines that were advertising the >Cricket. It may very well have been for the //c. > >Try posting this message on comp.sys.apple2. Somewhere there should be >able to help you more than this message. > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 02/15/99] >

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The new Amigas

by gareth.knight2＠which.net

Derek Peschel wrote: >You're putting an entirely different slant on what I said. I was under the >impression that the CD32 was a big failure. (Maybe I was thinking of the >CDTV.) Besides, what you said is literally true -- if you except CD-ROM, >then DVD-ROM IS novel. :) Commodore going bust cut the CD32 down in its prime. In the UK it sold the most CD-based software from the time of its release until around August 1994. Admittedly CD sales were not what they are now and it was up against competitors such as the Mega CD, CDi, and PC-CD ROM. >Maybe my lack of real Amiga experience has skewed my perspective. Maybe I >should not post so late at night. :) <PLUG>Hey! Visit my webpage for the complete guide to the Amiga. URL in the sig.</PLUG> >Except for the CD-32 and the CDTV (which IIRC were not that popular, at >least the CDTV) I don't think the Amiga has been released on a set-top box >configuration before. It was not the first time such an idea was proposed for the Amiga. When Escom bought the Amiga in 1995 they licensed the OS and chipset to an American company called Viscorp (now known as US Digital). They hired a number of Amiga personalities, including Carl Sassenrath, to create their "Amiga ED" system. From what I have seen the machine was in a semi-complete stage at the time of Escom's liquidation. There is a brief description of it on my web site- http://www.onlyamiga.freeserve.co.uk/amigaed.html. I've also got some interesting pictures of the machine in action that will be uploaded sometime in the future. Yesterday I mentioned the Siamese PCI card. I've just checked one of my other email accounts and have been told that development has stalled. From what I have heard Amiga Inc have stopped backing the project and there are major concerns about the state of the "Classic" Amiga market (as always). -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide | ICQ No. 24185856 http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"

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Interesting to note about Altairs...

by dogas＠leading.net

-----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> >There are people trying to do windows like/compatable interfaces but >hitting the MS APIs is like shooting at a moving target I guess by this you mean the constant flow of new COM interfaces/controls and extensions... The Win32 SDK itself has been immutably around for quite awhile. - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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PDP-11 (Qbus) disk question

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I've got several PDP-11's, all unibus - that use the RQDX2 controller. Impossible! RQDX2 is Qbus. ;) <A friend of mine just came up with a 380mb Maxtor ESDI drive. Will the RQDX <support it? RQDX1/2/3 support MFM not EDSI. It's of no help to you. Two possible choices, find a MAXTOR2190 or find a EDSI controller. Allison

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Viking QTO tests?

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

Whew! The uVax II is talking to me again. With Megan's help and a couple of others the boards have been correctly arranged and once again I get the 'chevron' prompt. I use the following magic to get into WOMBAT on the controller: >>> D/P/W 20001F40 20 >>> D/L 20088008 80000002 >>> D/W <csr> AC >>> S 400 Where <csr> is replaced with 20001468 in my case. It varies based on how the switches are set. The WQESD manual claims you can get into WOMBAT by typing 'W' if the right switch is set but my VAX just says "illegal command" The disk controller doesn't "see" my ESDI disk but I've got some cable damage on the 34 pin cable that I need to repair. (replacing the cable) However, after the mistake of connecting the QTO card in backwards I'm trying to find some way to test it. My best guess is to put a tape in the drive and try to boot from it but I don't know what the device name would be... any help here would be good. --Chuck

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PDP-11/70's - Now you can own one of these great work horses (fwd)

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Heads Up!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:57:29 -0800 From: E.B. Lieberman <ebliebe(a)jps.net> To: Info-PDP11(a)transarc.com Subject: PDP-11/70's - Now you can own one of these great work horses Now you can own a PDP-11/70! Yep, that's right. I'm not talking about those little 11/8x and 11/9x Q-bus jobs. I'm talking about the real thing; you know with MASSBUS and all. A global financial institution, previously headquartered in Northern California, is getting ready to say goodbye to the last of its PDP-11/70's. These machines (there are eight of them), were used as message store and forward switches for nearly 20 years. Great minds have tried to count the number of times the world wide GNP have flowed through these systems; and failed !!! Each CPU has roughly the same configuration as follows: QED 11/70 processor upgrade with 4Mb memory plus cache running at multiple VUP speeds. (Wow, faster than a 11/780, VAX engineering - eat your hearts out); Two System Industries CLUSTOR III MASSBUS disk controllers with 16 Seagate 1.0 Gig drives built with SMD interfaces. Ten drives are fixed while the remaining are in removable canisters; One Fujitsu 2480M/3480 SCSI tape drive (emulates a TU81) plus SCSI-UNIBUS controller; One TE16 or TU16 magtape drive (MASSBUS); Two DV-11's with modem control (16 channel sync or async adapters) and custom drivers set up for a variation on IBM BISYNC; Three DZ-11's and an ETHERNET DELUA; Plus software to show you that all hardware components are functional; Did I say eight (8) CPU's? There's more !! For a short time only, we can throw in tons of spares that include: More QED's, SETASI memory (2Mb and 4Mb), more DV-11's, more DZ-11's, full 11/70 CPU kits, DH-11's, DHQ-11's, 50-60 extra Seagate drives, as described above, in removable canisters, 24 or so extra SI CLUSTOR controllers, 3 to its own 19" rack. Am I finished? No way !!! I'll even throw in a few RP06 disk packs. The platters are great for making Frisbee's out of (kids, don't play with these without adult supervision). Boxes of hardware manuals and even a TECO manual (the first real editor that today still has the best macro generator going). So if you are interested in taking the entire lot (en masse), then drop me a line and we can talk about it.

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Interesting to note about Altairs...

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

At 09:35 AM 3/8/99 -0800, Sellam Ismail wrote: >How "rare" can something be when an instance of it goes up for auction >every damn week!? Doug Yowza noted that there is one Altair or another on >sale at ebay every day! This is the point isn't it? Finding an Altair at a garage sale or swap meeting in Bloomington Indiana would be like finding the Holy Grail in a pawn shop, not friggin likely. But when you expand the garage sale to cover the whole freakin planet the chances go up to about 1.0. Added to that is that while only about 130 to 200M of us are actually online, given the natural connectivity of the human race we probably have access to the garages of more than 40% of the developed nations. That sort of re-defines rare in a different way, and after the orgasmic frenzy has passed of finding things that used to be incredibly hard to find in your local neighborhood, expectations will get reset and the market will rationalize and the so called "bottom" will drop out of Altair prices. --Chuck

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PDP-11 (Qbus) disk question

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

I've got several PDP-11's, all unibus - that use the RQDX2 controller. A friend of mine just came up with a 380mb Maxtor ESDI drive. Will the RQDX2 support it? Jay West

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The TI 34010

by gareth.knight2＠which.net

Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: > My idea of a perfect computer is the Amiga (or it's the closest thing yet >I've found). Enough hardware to keep the hardware guys happy, and the best >kernel design I've seen in a long time to keep the software guys happy. >Heck, the AmigaOS even has controlled ways for programs to take over the >hardware. And it's still a great gaming system. Then you're going to be very happy this November when the next generation Amigas are launched. -- Gareth Knight Amiga Interactive Guide | ICQ No. 24185856 http://welcome.to/aig | "Shine on your star"

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