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23F2716 cables all sold, Monday swapday?

by mikeford＠netwiz.net

I guess the three people on the earth with a P70 must be on this list, those cables are gone. A couple of the other lists I am on have Monday as swapday, the day people should offer up things they don't need to those who do need them. So don't be surprized if from time to time I end up making some kind of post here as I rifle through my stuff and make a post on one of the other lists. Today I want to hit three points, a vendor I know with some old software, recent additions to my personal heap of stuff, and the URL that points to it. At the Fontana, CA hamfest last Saturday a vendor I know had a couple dozen moving sized boxes of old (circa 1990) software, many still sealed. I bought AppleShare 3.0, 2.0, a couple PC Appletalk cards, a full set of AUX version 1.1 (Apple unix), and plan on paying a visit to his warehouse before he takes the next load to Pomona next Saturday. If someone is looking for a complete boxed set of some software of that era, MacDraft, MacSomethingElse, let me know ASAP, or wander out to Pomona and see whats left. The mix BTW was about 60/40 mac/pc, but I don't have a clue about old PC stuff. I bought a dozen old macs, a pair of laserwriter II's (I now have motherboards for IInt, IIntx, and IIg), a box of Apple II cables, a big box of Farallon phonenet adapters, more nubus video and ethernet cards, and out of the dozen old macs it looks like two of the SE have Levco Prodigy boards (the first I looked at included a 4 MB ram on the Prodigy board) and three SE/30 are checking out pretty well. If you see something on my web page, NOW is a good time to ask for it. As usual my web page isn't very up to date, but at least I am getting more listed all the time. If I don't show a price, help me out and suggest one. http://www.netwiz.net/~mikeford/MacList.html

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mass storage controllers for S-100

by edick＠idcomm.com

It turns out I've got a few mass storage controller which might be of use. All were funcional when removed from their previous homes. Cipher Data products - 2-board set + controller formatter (on the format of the open reel tape drive, rather than the S-100 board pair) 9-trackTape interface - XComp 8" Winchester Disk Controller board pair tuned for the 4.34 MHz data transfer rate of SA-100x series drives. - MSC - (later called Xebec) S-100, unfortunately over-height ST-506 (2 drives) interface, MFM coding. - Ditronics-1 (Micro Applications, Inc) dual density FDC (5-1/4" drives only) Let me know if you have any use for these items, and perhaps we can arrange a transfer. Dick

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VMS architects

by joe＠barrera.org

> >So I guess Dave Cutler was there from the beginning of VMS development. > > However, it's my understanding he left somewhere shortly after Version 1.0. > > Zane He and a bunch of other VMS folks headed off to DECWest, and worked on a variety of projects including the Mica (?) operating system. I believe it's largely the DECWest crowd that moved to Microsoft. If you look at http://www.halcyon.com/edge/decwest_alumni you'll see a large number of @microsoft.com addresses. - Joe

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Available: Apple //c, Atari 800, Mac Plus

by douga＠email.com

They aren't all that obscure, but they're all three available at my local thrift store (sans power cables). If anyone would like me to pick them up, shoot me an email. I'm not a particular fan of any of these machines, but I figured someone on the list might be interested. FYI... Doug

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HP CS/80,SS/80 & Amigo Protocols

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Frank: I got the docs you sent, I think these will help quite a bit! I'm gonna put a few dollars in the mail to cover postage, etc. Thanks! Jeff On 10 Mar 1999 16:18:13 -0800 Frank McConnell <fmc(a)reanimators.org> writes: >Jeffrey l Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com> wrote: >> Does anyone have the docs for these HP protocols? > >Parts of CS/80, from the 7941/7945 service manual. I'd like to get >info on the rest too. > >> The Amigo protocol is the oldest. Then the CS-80, >> and the SS-80 is the newest. I think any of >> these would be relevent to the work I'm doing. > >For real? Can you talk about it? > >-Frank McConnell > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Sony SMC-70 available

by peterutz＠worldnet.att.net

Please post this in your newsletter, with responses to come to me directly at peterutz(a)worldnet.att.net as I am not a subscriber. LOOKING FOR A GOOD HOME I have 3 Sony SMC70 CPUs, and loads of related stuff: Boxes of cables, TV interfaces, a monitor, 64K RAM cache drive (a big deal back then), loads of software for word processing, CPM utilities, titling and graphics, and instruction books for it all (hardware and software). All 3 machines worked a year ago, but one has a couple non-operating characters on the keyboard and another has a nonfunctioning serial port.The third was perfect, but a year idle in the basement may have taken some toll. I have maybe 50 3.5" floppies for the SMC70. I'll sell the works for $200 plus postage from NJ, or will sell specific cables and books for $15 each. I used these machines from about 1980 to 1986 for word processing, television graphics, and to operate an interactive laser videodisc. They have lightpen, audiocassette, and keypad ports, along with parallel, serial ,and external devices ports and dual SSSD 3.5" floppy drives.

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[OT] NT, software reliability, and the lack thereof.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Didn't all the lead technicians who built NT come from DEC? In fact <wasn't Dave Cutler, NT head honcho, the designer of VMS? < <Yes and yes. Not quite. Cutler was the designer of RSX-11 and files-11 all of which were part of VMS but not VMS it self, his direct involvemnt was near nil by the mid to late 80s. His contribution to NT was at the higher archetectual level. Allison

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classic operating systems

by mbg＠world.std.com

>You can get an 'ancient unix' source license for $100. It gets you the >source to unix 7th edtion and earlier for personal use. I *think* it might also give you rights to use 2.11BSD, the most recent BSD for pdp-11s, which also comes with source. Best to contact PUPS to find out... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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[OT] NT, software reliability, and the lack thereof.

by drbilling＠ucdavis.edu

At 08:21 PM 3/15/99 -0000, you wrote: >Dean Billing <drbilling(a)ucdavis.edu> wrote: >> After M-Squish designed NT, they hired one of the VMS gurus from DEC > >No, they weren't *that* stupid. They hired him at let him design it. >The actual operating system deep in the bowels of Windows NT isn't so >bad. This doesn't sound right to me. I guess there are so many legends about the NT design team that we would have to name each person and understand their contribution. Very early on, when NT betas were being distributed free, and I got one of them, the lore going around that NT core was canabalized from the new Mach kernel. Later, I heard that one of the VMS gurus was hired by MS. I find it very difficult to believe that they would hire a DEC VMS guru before NT was cast in iron and then "...let him design it." If NT was based, even loosely, on the Mach kernel, why would they hire a VMS guru? Why not a Mach kernel guru? >But they have lventy-seven layers of crap on top of it to keep >you from seing anything that might be simple and elegant. Every operating system today has "...lventy-seven layers of crap on top of it..." including UNIX with an X client and then applications or AIX with SMIT on top of an X client or even VMS. >> ... >No, it isn't. The underlying operating system is nothing like Unix, and >only vaguely like Mach (which are themselves two entirely different things). OK, but isn't the general end result of using the Mach kernel, a UNIX system? >However, as a "normal" Windows programmer (for the Win32 subsystem), you >can't even get to the operating system. You can only call the Win32 >layer. VMS protects itself in the same way. If you are writing well behaved applications, you can only make VMS system calls, even if you are writing drivers. >> Therefore, they have not been able to implement a true clustering system >> and IMHO because the DEC software engineers came late to the game, they >> were unable to design the basic reliability into the operating system >> software interfaces. > >Again, that's not the fault of the kernel. The kernel is pretty good. The >problem is the leventy-seven layers of crap above it. I believe it is the fault of the kernel, for without a kernel with a built in distributed lock manager, you can't implement true clustering. You get something like IBM AIX with HACMP which is a "...lventy-seven layers of crap on top of it." to simulate a "cluster" in a UNIX environment, except you have a system disk on each CPU which must be synchronized with every other system disk. >And the I/O architecture is even OK, but unfortunately you end up with >hundreds of device drivers written by bozos running at ring zero, so >naturally the system isn't as robust as it should be. DEC was in complete >control of the VAX, so most VMS sites didn't run any drivers that were >written by clueless morons. This is surely not the case of sites that used VAXen for process control, which was a primary feature of VMS in the early days; VMS being an extension of RSX-11. DEC also has documentation to write drivers properly, as I would assume MicroSoft does for NT. I doubt whether all of the problems with NT are bad drivers written by our local " ... clueless morons." ... since we don't do that, and our NT systems still crash frequently. > ... >Um, what do you mean by "doing development work on them"? I mean doing any kind of application software development work simultaneously with using it for a server, which is what we do every day on our VAXcluster and IBM RS/6000 UNIX servers. >If you want a file server to be as robust as possible, it should be used for >nothing but serving files. That was true even in the old days. That would be news to any large VMS or IBM mainframe shop. >Nowdays people load all kinds of crap on their NT file server. It's no >wonder the things fall over every few days. We have loaded all kinds of applications and third party software on our VAXcluster, from Interleaf, Sapiens, Oracle, MEC, and others and it has never crashed except during hardware failures which have ocurred every few years. >Of course, if NT didn't have the problems discussed above, it should have >been able to go weeks or months without falling over. > >> Another drawback to NT is that many software >> upgrades and application installation/deinstallations require rebooting, >> something unheard of with VMS. > >This problem is definitely a matter of poor design. I'm pretty sure this >one is also not the fault of the kernel, but of the leventy-seven layers >of crap above it. The programmers were too lazy and/or in too much of a >hurry to bother to figure out how to make changes without rebooting. Agreed. -- Dean =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dean Billing Phone: 530-752-5956 UC Davis FAX: 530-752-6363 IT-CR EMAIL: drbilling(a)ucdavis.edu One Shields Way Davis, CA 95616

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Got a question....PDP? VAX?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<has yet, true clustering. You can grow huge systems modularly and only <have to maintain one system disk. VMS is one of the few that can have a disk farm and a cpu farm as a result of the clustering technology. It's nice in that my MV2000 with it's tiny 159mb disk can be a cluster member to the 3100 allowing common files and all sorts of nice things including common configuration and diskless booting. <>I heard that NT has a lot of VMS engineers behind it. < <This statement might be somewhat true. After M-Squish designed NT, they <hired one of the VMS gurus from DEC and while there have been many A few but not a lot. <modifications to NT to add more VMS like features, it has one giant <drawback, the underlying operating system is UNIX based, the Mach kernel. that and how the protected kernel is not very protected. <software interfaces. NT servers usually crash regularly, i.e. in less tha <a week, sometimes several times a day, especially if anyone is doing <development work on them. Another drawback to NT is that many software <upgrades and application installation/deinstallations require rebooting, <something unheard of with VMS. I run three Nt servers (3.51 SP4) and they are extremely reliable but not heavily loaded. My understanding the NT doesn't load well. Whats funny is a could stuff a 3100m76 in there and replace the whole lot and still have cpu left over. VMS does (over)load gracefully. Allison

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Hazeltine?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<That might have been true many, many years ago, but my involvement with th <mfg of printed circuit boards started in the mid 70's, and that was not th <case from that point on. Second, the statement about dumping copper, nickel Ah I was there and it was done. there were few regulations yes but cost was a driving factor. the intervention was cost when the materiels were worth though to recover and the real pressure in the early 80s. the problem is the crap is still in the soil and spreading 20-30 years later. Allison

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IBM PC 5150 with no drives?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I was joking when I said real-time clock since I thought the PC came with <a real-time clock. Is this not the case? Hmm, come to think of it, I <guess not since I don't see a battery on the MB of this 5150 here. Yep, XT class machines didn't have a TOY CLOCK (TOY is time of year), All the had was a periodic timer interrupt and when you power off so goes the date. Hence the stuff like smart watch. A multi-io card was typically 2 serial, joy stick. either a FDC interface. Most were commonly two serial on one card, a Video and Parallel on another with FDC being stand alone or paired up with the HDC. Clocks were commonly the smart scoket under the bios roms. I have many examples of those here. Allison

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Got a question....PDP? VAX?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<How does passing their building prove that they still make VAXen <(as opposed to Alpha-based hardware)? I still have friends inside. The subtle point being I used to work there and make a point of keeping in touch with the activities of what's left of the old DEC. Also I didn't say making, I said selling. I believe there is little if any VAX chip production going on. <> Also the OS is still current and planned for future for the <> Alpha. < <No, it has already been available for Alpha for eight years. It's not <planned for the future, except in the sense that they are continuing to <support it. Nit picking crap again. I was a Digit when it was ported to Alpha. While nt and Unix was more or less new to alpha I was running a Jenson (early alpha) on my desk and using VMS. Keep in mind I run VAXen, talk to Digits (now Compaq) and live local to the action so to speak. <However, a little more thorough searching reveals that as of January 25, <they still offered: < < VAXstation 4000 Model 96 < MicroVAX 3100 Model 88 < MicroVAX 3100 Model 98 < VAX 4000 Model 108 < VAX 7000 Model 810 (up to six CPUs) Asked and answered. Allison

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Hazeltine?

by rcini＠email.msn.com

On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:35:55 -0500, Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> wrote: >>The manual for the 1420 has a date of July 1979 on it. The ID tag on the >>terminal indicates that it was manufactured in Greenlawn NY. This building is about a 20 minute drive from my house. It's on Pulaski Road in Greenlawn. The sign outside now says "GEC/Marconi/Hazeltine" and is locally acknowledged as a Superfund site (although I never checked if it made the CERCLA list or not). Place has been there forever and is a pretty unassuming 2-story Government-style office building, but with no fences or razor wire. Looking in, it appears that the interior consists of a cube-farm on the lower floor and some offices on the upper floor. I don't know if there is manufacturing in the rear or not, although it appears overall to be a large building. [ Rich Cini/WUGNET [ ClubWin!/CW7 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/ <---------------------------- reply separator

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FW: Cleaning My Room

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Attention, would-be rescuers in or near Milwaukee, WI! There's a graduating student (Josh Hulbert) looking to get rid of a VAXen and PDP-11 (unknown model) as freebies. If interested, contact him directly. Best of luck! -=-=- <break> -=-=- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:26:47 -0600 (CST) From: Joshua Hulbert <hulbertj(a)msoe.edu> To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org Subject: Cleaning My Room Sender: port-vax-owner(a)netbsd.org Delivered-To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org Hello All, I will be graduating at the end of this quarter and moving several hundred miles away from my dorm, so I need to minimize the amount of stuff I take with me. I have the following VAX-related equipment, free for the taking: VS2000, with VR-160-DA, LK201, and puck-mouse. I have the 3-meter long cable for this one. It has an RD-54, and a RAM expansion to 20MB IIRC. I know it boots and runs NetBSD just fine, but there is nothing on the RD54. PDP-11: I know next to nothing about this thing. I picked it up for $10 at American Science and Surplus. From what I could gather, it may have been a terminal server or something. It doesn't have enough RAM to load an OS, but it has some funky ROM card. If anyone is interested, I can send the M-numbers on the cards in the cage. Heres the catch: You have to come get it, as shipping would exceed the value of these boxes. I live in downtown Milwaukee, Wisconsin (USA). Again, if anyone is interested, I can send part numbers on all the parts. Joshua Hulbert Senior Electrical Engineer Milwaukee School of Engineering -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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[OT] NT, software reliability, and the lack thereof.

by bwit＠ticnet.com

On Monday, March 15, 1999 4:34 PM, Max Eskin [SMTP:max82@surfree.com] wrote: > On 15 Mar 1999, Eric Smith wrote: > >The actual operating system deep in the bowels of Windows NT isn't so > >bad. But they have lventy-seven layers of crap on top of it to keep > >you from seing anything that might be simple and elegant. > > Of course, the kernel can't be blamed for much of anything. I'm sure that > if Microsoft got its hands on VMS source code, they would mess it up, > while if DEC got its hands on NT source code, they would make something > wonderful out of it... > Didn't all the lead technicians who built NT come from DEC? In fact wasn't Dave Cutler, NT head honcho, the designer of VMS? Bob

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classic operating systems

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<question: Is there any classic operating system known for which the <complete source code is available ? Well if you took the time to look and read... This is a non exhaustive list of just a few. CPM (8080, z80, 8086, 68000) This also includes all of the CP/M clones such as P2dos, Suprbdos, Zrdos, Zsdos. These can be found at various FTP sites on the net. Uzi Unix (z80, z180, z280) Can be fount as www.psyber.com/~TCJ and also several other versions at FTP sites. Minix (808x, 80x86 and others) the book Operating System Design and Implmentation ISBN 0-13-6386677-6 By Tanenbaum and Woodhull. Also the sources and executables are on the net. Pretty good simplified unix like OS that is source available for teaching and other student/research use. Classic Unix is available with a lowcost license (versions include V5, 6, 7 and a whole load more. RTS-8, OS/8 (also OS278) for PDP-8 family are at various places on the net. This OS is good for illustrating the close relationship of hardware to software. Allison

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IBM PC 5150 with no drives?

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

At 11:59 PM 3/13/99 -0800, you wrote: > >I saw an IBM 5150 today in a thrift store. The odd thing about it was >that it had no disk drives! It only had two black covers over the disk >drive bays. It seems like it came from the factory this way. It is the >first revision of motherboard with the cassette jack, so its conceivable >that it was used with a cassette recorder and was always like this. Does >anyone wish to concur on this? I'm debating if I should get it, but not >for the $20 they have it tagged for. Sure 'nuff. The original configuration of the IBM PC had no drives, and 4k of memory. Diagnostics and a utility or two on Cassette (altho the cassette player was optional?!?). BASIC in the ROM so it could be programmed... Back in the days when a single floppy drive and controller was a (apx. $900 option) Frighteningly enough... I remember selling quite a few of them in that (cassette only) configuration. -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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PS/2 external storage device cables

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 15.3.1999 6:44:26 Eastern Standard Time, rhblake(a)bigfoot.com writes: > Mike Ford wrote: > > > I just put these on a newsgroup, and realized somebody here might need > > them. I found 3 new old stock IBM 23F2716 cables in a box I bought. I > think > > they are for a model 70 external floppy drive, looks like a HDI30 to DB37F, > > > but thats just guessing. $5 each and shipping. After searching for hours, i finally found out what cable this is. It connects the 4869 external floppy to the P70 suitcase PS/2. Not of any use to anyone who doesnt own those two items. david

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IBM PC 5150 with no drives?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> wrote: > IBM's braindead decision to have 5 (instead of 8) expansion slots meant > that aftermarket "multifunction" cards became quite popular. MANY of > them advertised SIX functions; after memory, serial, parallel, and > joystick, how many people remember what purported to be the other two > functions? #5 was the battery-backed-up real-time clock, and I have this vague recollection that #6 was something not directly on the card but software which used the card, something like a RAMdisk driver. -Frank McConnell

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List Transactions

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Before we mount a full-scale Salem Witch hunt... allow me to say that I have had many pleasant dealings with my friends on this list, and other lists... the percentage of deals gone sour has been very low. Andrew Carnegie said: "It is better to be occasionally cheated, than forever suspicious.." And I can confess that there a few Nice People here on Classicmp to whom I have promised to send various items; the promise still exists but I have flaked out so far. Sorry Eric, Dave, Megan, Ian, .... :] (In my defense: absolutely *no money* is involved in these deals, most I am even shipping myself. And packing. And lugging..) If I have sent you money, and you cannot complete your end of it for some reason... send me the money back. Or tell me *when* you can complete the deal. Or offer me something else I might want. Or at least **tell** me that the item(s) and my money are no longer available, and why that is so. Shit happens....at least give me the true info and let me see what I can do. But disappearing with someone else's funds is.. theft. That's all. Confess your sins! Con-feesss you sins!! con-fesss your siiiins!!! Or we shall torture you wiiiithhhh... The COMFY CHAIR!!!!! Cheers John

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TSR-80 Model 4 keyboard problems

by bluoval＠mindspring.com

When i hit some keys, it displays the wrong letter. Sometimes it displays all caps then all lower case. What's wrong with it? How do i fix it?

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Got a question....PDP? VAX?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Larry: Buck: < <Given your start in computing in the mid-fifties, you must now be <in your mid-sixties. I was one who started in the early 70's (as <early as my 12-th year) and am now 41. The machine was <an IBM 370/155 with 1MB of main memory, and the language was <APL (APL*PLUS from Scientific Time Sharing). I have at 46 te dubious honor of bridging both. I started however with small computers in the late 60s and the PDP-8 the whole of wich was three 6' racks was my idea of an approachable system. I was also priesthood incarnate in that for the small computer revolution I was there and part of it. To me a "big" cpu weighed about 80-110 pounds and only partially filled one of those racks. The 8008 (1972-3) and later the 8080 were part of my life as I was there on the edge pushing it. I never put a "good old" or "bad old" sticker as that was where things were and even then it was clear the target was a fast moving one. Allison

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classic operating systems

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

Hi all, thank you for the extensive replies. What I meant was "available for a reasonable price", which is not more than a few hundred $ in my mind, so the PUPS offering really appeals to me most. Thanks and regards John G. Zabolitzky

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Yesterday's hamfest & manual FT

by tomowad＠earthlink.net

Yesterday's snow kept all but about 8 tailgaters from coming to the York Springfest, resulting in a rather dissapointing show. I managed to get an Apple IIe for $2, an IBM Model 25 for $5, and a bunch of manuals (including some for the IBM System/36), but that was about it. I got two copies of "IBM Maintenance Library - 3278 Display Station Models 1,2,3,and 4 Maintenance Information". Anybody want the second one ($5 shipped), or wish to trade for it (intersted in books on interfacing the Apple II)? I also purchased a book called "Master Transistor/IC Substitution Handbook. A GIANT one-stop, easy-to-use manual that gives you commonly available replacements for over 80,000 U.S. and foreign tranistors and ICs...plus basing diagrams." (c)1977, 517 pages. Looks like it could be a useful reference, if the the replacement part numbers are still up to date. If somebody _really_ has a use for this book, let me know. Tom Owad

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TSR-80 model 4

by bluoval＠mindspring.com

Does anyone know what this computer goes for? When i start it up, the screen is full of strange characters. I hit the orange button and then the drive lights go on and the bottom drive light stays on. The prompt is: Diskette? I don't have any disks for it. I just picked it up yesterday. What's wrong with it? How can i fix it? does anyone have any disks for it? Also, there is a guy at a flea market where i live who has a room full of old computer junk. That's where i picked up this computer. I've seen an Apple II plus with disk drive, a couple of TI99 4/As, and many old modems. There is also a very old Compaq portable, and about 5 Commadores. Who knows what else is in there. Is anyone interested in any of these? Let me know.

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Hazeltine?

by dogas＠leading.net

-----Original Message----- From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> >of toxic wastes were *legally* disposed of with all the associated >government regulations that the government is now coming back and looking >for money to clean up sites they had approved as safe. A favorite saying of >mine is "There would be no such thing as the environmental movement were it >not for scientific illiteracy." Yes, it is an overstatement, but there is That resonates well with one of my favorites: If you add a drop of wine to a barrell of shit, you have a barrell of shit. If you add a drop of shit to a barrell of wine, you have a barrell of shit. - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net

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Planning for an equipment move...

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Since I don't have a class two license, I can't get a truck with a >lift gate, The two aren't mutually exclusive. Several times I've rented a lift-gate truck, usually from Budget, to move a machine. Now this was always on the West Coast, and it's possible that on the other coast that the laws are different, or that the truck companies just don't want to risk renting to folks who probably don't know how to run a lift. You might also try some of the non-UHaul-non-Budget- non-Ryder companies in your neighborhood (the kind that rent tractors and bulldozers) and see if they'll rent you a liftgate. > so I was planning on unloaded all the boxes from the racks >(CPU, disks, anything else) and placing them on shipping pads, the >disks with foam pads underneath. I was planning on tipping the racks >over onto dollies to be wheeled up the ramp into the truck where they >would travel on their sides, on mats. Sounds like a fine plan. Note that many medium-sized station wagons will hold a single H960, too. Get yourself nice dollies with pneumatic wheels if at all possible. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Got a question....PDP? VAX?

by hhacker＠home.com

Larry: Given your start in computing in the mid-fifties, you must now be in your mid-sixties. I was one who started in the early 70's (as early as my 12-th year) and am now 41. The machine was an IBM 370/155 with 1MB of main memory, and the language was APL (APL*PLUS from Scientific Time Sharing). Well, it is true that the machines of the 50's were the so called Unit Record devices and the low quality mainframes of the day, like the 7090, the 1620 (if I get the numbering correct) and the 1401 (all of IBM fame). I had the privilege of working with such Unit Record devices, and even to have programmed a few of the old style plug boards. I am greatful that those days are over! William R. Buckley -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Walker <lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 10:28 PM Subject: Re: Got a question....PDP? VAX? On 12 Mar 99 at 17:53, Mike Ford wrote: > >Hi! > > > >I've been growing up in the age of "IBM era" of computers. The only non-IBM > >(compatible) computers that I've worked on was an apple //c and a TRS-80 > >model III that nearly caught my basement on fire. I'm 16 years old, so I > >haven't had any experience with any pre 1980's stuff (other than the //c). > > > >What I'm wondering, is what exactly is a PDP, or a VAX, or an Altair, or any > >of the other things that come up frequently on the list. Also - how is one > >of the computers (such as the Altair) operated, with all the switches and > >indicators? Is there a keyboard or a monitor with it? > > Wow, do you want the one or two paragraph history of computing as we know it? > > Maybe Moore's law explains it best, every couple of years computers get > twice as fast, for half the money and size. Now Start with a typical > present day Pentibum II 400 Mhz 128 MB ram 10 GB hard drive that sells for > $2000 and go back in time 20 years (about 10 of Moore's cycles). Computers > were 1000 times slower, bigger, and more expensive. That was a different > world, and you had to treat such valuable resources differently. People, > and really only a small favored few, had to share the computers, and time > 24 hours a day was highly prized. > > Around 1970 a computer about as powerfull as a present day $100 calculator > cost about $10 million and required a large secure and temperature > controlled room. That was the mainstream of mainframe computers. The > computer was the size of a kids play house, and all around it in the large > room were "peripherals" designed to keep the main cpu busy working all the > time. > > Away from the main IBM oriented data processing shops, dozens of smaller > companies fought for the minicomputer market. Smaller, and less powerfull > in absolute terms, these units were targeted at the scientific and > industrial users who needed the computational or control that only > computers allowed. Minicomputers weren't that different from mainframes, > just scaled down in some senses, and optimized in others. > > Digital Equipment Corporation, DEC was one of these minicomputer companies, > and its PDP line was hugely popular in many areas. Industry, banking, > telephone, and most important universities. The DEC PDP series became the > platform that many computer scientists experiemented on, and many students > still didn't get to use. As Moores law improved the lot, the VAX line came > out, and people logged on with gusto forever after. > > Oh, those switches and lights are mostly because the hardware and software > used to screw up fairly often, and by looking at the lights, and flipping > switches the operation of the computer could be single stepped (one > instruction per button push) and errors identified so they could be > corrected. > Wow, great thread. Thanks Jason. I tend to think of the evolution of computers in physical relation to myself. In an incarnation in the mid-fifties, I worked for a large government department as a "junior IBM operator" I worked sorting IBM cards, reproducing cards that were "bent, mutillated, and spindalled", and wired peg-boards to interpret the data contained on those cards, which were "punched" by a room-full of typist "punch-card operators". Even tho this was a large gov. apparatus, the machines could only be "leased" not bought from IBM and even some programs were rented. In a temperature-controlled room filled with machines spinning large metal tape-reels were the "high priests" of this genre. I never entered that room. It had windows where you could see the esoteric operatives at work. In the 70's I worked for a large railway keeping track of boxcars entering and leaving the Yard. I would write up a report each day and submit it to the computer room. Again, a temperature and environment controlled room, but the "priests" were fellow workers who, tho aloof, I could talk to. And I could even enter the "temple" Fast forward to the early eighties in a tech school. Each student had a terminal ID to access the main computers but they were at another location which I never saw. The school could even have been renting service space from another provider. But in the course I actually used a real computer more or less, an ET3400, to explore the godlike ways. We also had a trainer in which you could enter and step thru each program using switches with LED indicators. In a tech-course a few years later I was introduced to floppydisks using an Osbourne. We smoked and drank cokes using them. To me the great flowering of the 8-bits was the demystifying of computer arts. Unfortunately, I feel OS2, Win9x, and NT are removing us from that control ,as against the "high Priests" of VAX. It's amusing to remember that my professors looked blank when I asked them about Unix in 83 after reading about it in "Electronics" magazine. I explained it as simply a method of disk storage organisation and access. Altho the computer world has changed mightily I think the "deification" remains with the minis and mainframes and Unix is it's theology. I appreciate Linux precisely because it has an empowering feel to it. That is the glory of the personal computer. I have a PDP-8 maintenance manual and an IBM VS360/370 programmers manual and at some point I will study them. But neither can give me the joy of an old "populist" 8-bit programming manual, with a code-bloatless program to automate your toaster on a 64k ram machine. That was elegance. Flame away. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com

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more "stuff" . . .

by edick＠idcomm.com

For those individuals interested in HPIB stuff that's unusual, I have an MSC 9305 HPIB ST-506 interface hard disk controller. This product was one I bought in 1981 and never used, but since the hardware and its documentation are in the same place at the moment, I thought I'd see if someone wanted it worse than I do. It has great potential as a data logger or even a traffic recorder. I'm up for a trade, with my target being some sort of fairly simple SBC with resident firmware and documentation. An evaluation board from MOT or somthing on that order would suffice, I think, provided it's functional and documented. regards, Dick ---------- > From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: wanted: muMath and/or muLisp for Apple II or CP/M > Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 4:38 PM > > Eric- > > Check with me next time you're in Denver. I may still have the software > somewhere, but I know I had the CP/M-version documents in my hand about a > week ago. > > Dick > > ---------- > > From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > > Subject: wanted: muMath and/or muLisp for Apple II or CP/M > > Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 3:22 PM > > > > I seem to have misplaced my copies of muMath and muLisp for > > the Apple II. If anyone would like to sell their old ones > > to me, please let me know. The CP/M version would also be > > of interest. If all else fails, I could live with the > > PC-DOS version, but I don't want Derive (the product that > > replaced muMath). > > > > Thanks! > > Eric

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TSR-80 Model 4 keyboard problems

by fauradon＠pclink.com

That depends on how much of it you drink at once. But in moderation It should be ok. Your mileage may vary. I'm not going to sign this one ;) > >Would alcohol damage anything? > >

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classic operating systems

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> Some DEC OS's such as RT-11 come with > most if not all of the source. A regular RT-11 distribution comes with source for the monitors and drivers, with most all the comments stripped out. You also get the uncommented macro libraries. You don't get the sources for any except a few of the utilities (*.SAV's). A source kit for RT-11 gets you the commented sources to the monitors, drivers, and utilities. A few things are still missing (MACRO-11 and CREF, mainly because these are now built under VMS.) Believe me, the commented sources are much more interesting! -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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classic operating systems

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>question: Is there any classic operating system known for which the >complete source code is available ? What do you mean by "available"? Freely distributable? Hmm, some of the FigForths fall in this category (if you want to call them OS's), and OS/8 is there too. Easily acquired? There are several disassemblies of CP/M-80 and Apple DOS 3.3 floating around in various places, but these aren't the "official" sources - they're a disassembly. The PL/M sources to CP/M-80 are also available, though I've never quite figured out how to go from the PL/M to the executables. You can get the source if you hand over enough $? Sure, lots of minicomputer OS's fall in this category. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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IBM PC 5150 with no drives?

by mbg＠world.std.com

>5140 PC convertable (laptop) ? I have several of these... as I mention on my web page (of home systems), it's not so much a portable computer as it is a *luggable* computer... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Got a question....PDP? VAX?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I'm not convinced. I couldn't find any listed as current products on <www.digital.com or on www.compaq.com. And WWW.anything.com is the absolute authority? ;) They are still selling them... I only pass the place (Maynard and LKG) everyday. Also the OS is still current and planned for future for the Alpha. Though Compaq did extend and improve the hobbiest license to include layered products and more recent versions of VMS. Allison

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by allisonp＠world.std.com

<successful. The processors were used in a wide variety of machines. The <VAX is DEC's first 32-bit machine. It used an OS called VMS, which some <people like a lot for some reason, to the point of still using it. I heard <that NT has a lot of VMS engineers behind it. An Altair is an early 8-bit VMS is still used for one reason beyond preference, it's a 24x365 robust operating system that even memory loss doesn't crash. VMS is still a production operating system V7.2 or V7.3 I think is current. VAXen are still sold by Compaq and VMS is also the OS for Alpha along with unix-64 and NT. Nt has Cutler (only real name) who used to be of the DEC RSX-11 (foundation for VMS) fame. <as a kit and was poorly designed/unreliable. Although the Altair used some <medieval methods of programming, in later machines like the IMSAI, one <would generally use a dumb terminal and resort to the front panel for <debugging purposes. OK, now you may correct everything I said :) Right on target. Most people even then lusted and used some form of terminal rather than wear out fingers on the front pannel. Even altair users had terminals of some sort. the most common use for the front pannel was for code that was not configured for the IO in use (no standards) so you would single stp through the IO portion, write it all down by hand and then hand patch it for what IO was in use. Allison

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classic operating systems

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<CP/M. You can download the source, but it's not "Free Software". You hav <to get a license from Caldera for commercial use. Inflact the only question was is the source available (no other qualifiers). Ok then P2dos, a clone that is a direct replacement and improved. there are others (suprbdos, Zsdos, Zrdos). See my earlier post. The question didn't qualify commercial or not. If you allow for non commercial/student use the list is quite large. Allison

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wanted: muMath and/or muLisp for Apple II or CP/M

by edick＠idcomm.com

Eric- Check with me next time you're in Denver. I may still have the software somewhere, but I know I had the CP/M-version documents in my hand about a week ago. Dick ---------- > From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: wanted: muMath and/or muLisp for Apple II or CP/M > Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 3:22 PM > > I seem to have misplaced my copies of muMath and muLisp for > the Apple II. If anyone would like to sell their old ones > to me, please let me know. The CP/M version would also be > of interest. If all else fails, I could live with the > PC-DOS version, but I don't want Derive (the product that > replaced muMath). > > Thanks! > Eric

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classic operating systems

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

Hi all, question: Is there any classic operating system known for which the complete source code is available ? Thanks and regards John G. Zabolitzky

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IBM PC 5150 with no drives?

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I saw an IBM 5150 today in a thrift store. The odd thing about it was >that it had no disk drives! It only had two black covers over the disk >drive bays. It seems like it came from the factory this way. It is the >first revision of motherboard with the cassette jack, so its conceivable >that it was used with a cassette recorder and was always like this. Does >anyone wish to concur on this? I'm debating if I should get it, but not >for the $20 they have it tagged for. Interesting... I had a machine in one of the piles at work (I have a second office, called the 'Annex' where I do hardware hacking for my group on occasion, and stuff gets dumped there) which I recently excessed, and it had 'IBM-PC' on it, along with 5150 on one of the labels... But it had a fair amount of memory in it, and a hard disk drive in it... Should I have saved it and tried to purchase it from the company? Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Planning for an equipment move...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I know of no laws relating lift vs. ramp on anything related to <special class licenses, though perhaps there might be something <special enacted in the People's Republic of Massachusetts. You <might inquire at rental places over the line in NH where (most) <of the laws are a bit less draconian. there is none in MA save for lift gates are not toys(trained users) and they are usually found on class-2 sized trucks. Allison

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FS: CBM 8050 drive

by cfandt＠netsync.net

I'm finding stuff that was buried in the uncharted, uncivilized regions of the basement over at the old house. I have a Commodore CBM 8050 Dual Disk drive unit. Originally it was with a CBM 8032 that's long been disposed of. Don't know condition as I have no way to test it now. Anybody want it for whatever you may want to offer? I'm easy! Consider that shipping weight may be around 15-20 lbs from zip 14701. I'll likely have more odds 'n' ends that I don't need and will post them here for you. Just gotta dig through the pile. I found some old radio and TV parts today that I had back when I was in high school (figure '68 - '71). An archeologist's playground over there ;) Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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IBM PC 5150 with no drives?

by danburrows＠mindspring.com

>IBM's braindead decision to have 5 (instead of 8) expansion slots meant >that aftermarket "multifunction" cards became quite popular. MANY of >them advertised SIX functions; after memory, serial, parallel, and >joystick, how many people remember what purported to be the other two >functions? clock and ??? memory fade. Dan > >But the original $1320 5150 was devoid of drives and cards. ** FS >(after I back off all of the mods and put the original pieces back in) ** > >-- >Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com >XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com >2210 Sixth St. (510) 644-9366 >Berkeley, CA 94710-2219 > >

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DEC PathWorks available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I have several packages of DEC PathWorks software available as follows. PathWorks 4.1 for DOS (media and docs, three packages in the set). PathWorks 4.1 for OpenVMS (media and docs, two packages in the set). PathWorks 5 for OpenVMS LAN Manager (whatever the heck that is, media and docs, two boxes in the set). Since I plan on using NetBSD and TCP/IP for my main networking functions, I don't see that I'll ever need this stuff. Best offer takes the lot. Thanks in advance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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Definitely OT: Apple Network Server 500

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

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Planning for an equipment move...

by mbg＠world.std.com

It's an hour trip up to where they are... I'd rather not make multiple 2-hour drives if I can help it, which is why I'm trying for a truck. Someone mentioned Budget... I'm going to contact them... Megan

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AES 7100 photos

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

For those of you that requested photos of the AES 7100, I just put some up on my web site. I was exceptionally lazy about carrying stuff around, so I just used the family television set as my monitor for grabbing and cropping the pictures. I hope they're in focus. :) -- Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/

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items purchased from Tony Dellett

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Yeah, tony was supposed to send a 'parts only' c-128, and maybe a 1571, but I haven't heard from him. I haven't pursued this for two reasons: I haven't sent him any money, and he has had a seriously life-changing experience, leaving destruction in its wake. SO, anyway, is there a way to properly handle deadbeats onthis list? There's someone I'd like to publicly embarass, but I'm unsure if it would be the proper thing to do. . . . Jeff On 13 Mar 1999 20:07:02 -0000 Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> writes: >Back in November, Tony Dellett posted to this list a message offering >a bunch of items for sale. A copy is attached below. > >Would anyone who purchased items from Tony please send me private >email? > >Thanks! >Eric >------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- >Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:24:10 -0500 >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu >Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu >From: "Dellett, Anthony" <Anthony.Dellett(a)Staples.com> >To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Subject: Spring Cleaning >X-To: "'classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu'" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >I know it's not spring but it is time for me to thin out my >collection. I'm >offering these for sale here first before sending them off to ebay. > >Email me with offers to anthony.dellett(a)staples.com. I dont get time >to >check the list much so posing a reply there will get you nowhere. > >Atari 800 (not working, parts?) >Atari 1050 Disk Drive (two of them) >Commodore 64 (complete in box, I have two like this) >Commodore 1541 Disk Drive (2 in box, one works, one doesn't) >Commodore 1541 II Disk Drive (complete in box) >Commodore 128 (complete in box) >Commodore 1571 Disk Drive (complete in box) >Compupro S-100 Enclosure (motherboard and PS only, no cards) >IMSAI 8080 W/8080 Processor Card, SIO4 (Godbout w/docs), RAM64 >(Godbout >w/docs), PIO8 (IMSAI) >Kaypro I (incl. boot disk) >Kaypro II (incl. boot disk) >Kaypro IV (incl. boot disk) >NorthStar Horizon (not working) >NorthStar Advantage (works completely, with boot disk) >Osborne I (not working) >Osborne Executive (incl. boot disk) >Processor Technology SOL w/SOLOS personality module >Sanyo CP/M System (with software) >TI-99/4A Computer (beige model, in box) >TRS-80 Model III (with some software) > >8" DS/DD Floppy Drive (in wooden enclosure) and Controller (Godbout >w/docs) >8" SS/SD Floppy Drive (no enclosure) >8" SS/SD Dual Drive Subsystem (ICOM) >8" Hard Disk Drive in enclosure w/controller (Fujitsu Hard Drive, >Godbout >Controller w/docs) > >I also have some random Commodore stuff that I cant remember (modem, >paddles, trackball, etc...) I can take a closer look if anyone is >interested. > >A word of warning... I'd like to sell these things to someone on the >list >but I'll only accept "reasonable" offers. > >Tony ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Items Available for Trade

by guerney＠uq.net.au

Said Kevin McQuiggen: >A real longshot would >be anything related to the IBM 1620, docs, software. Back in 1978 the University Dept where I worked gave away its IBM 1620 (had been working regularly up till then) and I managed to grab a copy of "Programming the IBM 1620" by Clarence Germain, 2nd ed., 1965 from the bin. Contains 192 pages of detail on the hardware and Fortran and ML programming. I would be prepared to photocopy it if it was of real use to someone - they would have to pay photocopying and postage - about $US20 +/- $US5 all up. Phil in Brisbane, Australia.

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Planning for an equipment move...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<From CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Sat Mar 13 16:24:50 1999 <Return-Path: <CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu> <Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0 < id AA06221; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:24:41 -0500 <Received: from host (server(a)lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) < by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with SMTP id NAA1 < Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:24:35 -0800 <Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7] < by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id NAA4 < for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:24:31 -0800 <Received: from mail.30below.com (mail.30below.com [12.15.88.1]) < by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with SMTP id NAA317 < for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:24:30 -0800 <Received: (qmail 32229 invoked from network); 13 Mar 1999 22:13:53 -0000 <Received: from zmerch.30below.com (HELO zmerch) (12.15.88.12) < by mail.30below.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 1999 22:13:53 -0000 <Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990313163735.00950790(a)mail.30below.com> <Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:37:35 -0500 <Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu <Precedence: bulk <From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> <To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washingto <Subject: Re: Planning for an equipment move... <In-Reply-To: <v04011706b3107923550c(a)[192.168.1.2]> <References: <19990313191751.18176.qmail(a)brouhaha.com> < <990313110353.20200677(a)trailing-edge.com> <Mime-Version: 1.0 <Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" <X-Sender: zmerch(a)mail.30below.com <X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN <Status: R < <Once upon a midnight dreary, Zane H. Healy had spoken clearly: < <>in the back of my current pickup. I'm wondering if the smaller pickups <>along the lines of a Chevy S-10 can handle that. < <Altho they did make longbox (8 foot) boxes on the S-10 line, they're prett <tough to find. Otherwise, an S10 will fit anything 6 foot even... or maybe I have a toyota (1982!) and with the gate down 8Ft items are no problem. It has in the last year moved 12 VS3100s, 15 Vt320s, 8 S100 crates and atlest 8 8" disk pairs, several racks 8 assorted telvideo unknown number of printers and monitors. If I could get it in it or on it, it moved. <Weight-wise - I've found the S10 line to be quite capable. They're standar <1/2-ton, but I've had over 3/4 ton in the back of mine, once... I pulled Same with the toyota, the Chevy LUV (it was the predecessor to S10). So considering I drive 100mi a day with it at 162,000 its solid enough. Pickup trucks regardless of the size are really great for moving computer hardware and the Vans or their kin are a good second choice. Weight is not a limiting factor as more often you cube out first. Allison

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Items Available for Trade

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi Gang: Time to clear out some stuff. I have the following item available for trade, or potential sale: A Motorola "EXORcisor" 6800 development system, from the mid 1970s. Dual 8" floppies, and SOROC dumb terminal. Full documentation, software, several development boards. This outfit was used to develop specialized devices around the Motorola 6800 CPU. The terminal doesn't work and I haven't had time to figure out why. The other items were operational about 5 years ago. I'm looking for anything pdp-8 or pdp-11 related. Peripherals such as a DECtape drive or paper tape devices, heck even a card reader, would be nice. Even some documentation, DEC handbooks etc. A real longshot would be anything related to the IBM 1620, docs, software. If the trading doesn't work out then I would sell the EXORcisor system for a reasonable best offer (read that as "pretty cheap"). Please contact me eithor on the list or via email. I'm located in Vancouver, BC. Kevin -- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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Planning for an equipment move...

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> Someone mentioned Budget... I'm going to contact them... Well, I always went to www.budget.com to make reservations with them, but I see that now that I'm 3000 miles away from BC that particular web site doesn't do me a lot of good! It looks like www.budgetrentacar.com is the place most folks want to start at. According to the web site at least some of the 15' and 26' trucks have liftgates; in my experience the availability of 26-footers with liftgates is far superior to 15-footers. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Items Available for Trade

by mbg＠world.std.com

>be anything related to the IBM 1620, docs, software. Just so happens I have some IBM 1620 docs, including a programming (SPS) manual... I haven't done so yet, but I have promised to make a copy for the people doing the 1620 renovation at the Computer Museum at Moffett Field in California... I could probably make a second set if you are interested... contact me off-list... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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by danburrows＠mindspring.com

> >Which means what I really want to know is how many vehicles currently on >the market can handle at least a single H960? > My old 1/2 ton Chevy pickup has had in it a H960 (SA800 - 8 RA90's) 860 lbs and 3 HSC50's, a star coupler, 2 TU80's all at once. I never said I was legal weight but it took it. Yes I did avoid the scales. I found out how heavy the SA800 was when I went to unload it. I had to half gut it to roll it off the truck. Then I looked at the manual to find out it is 860 some pounds. What a difference it was unloading it by myself than loading it with a forklift. Initially I was going to put the second SA800 on the same load but the first squatted the truck enough. What model are the Diablo drives? I have some Diablo manuals from those days and did some work on them back then. If they are Diablo 31 or 33's I should still have the books to refresh the fading memory on locking the heads etc. I would check with some of the truck rental companies about the CDL requirements in MA. Federal requirements are anything licensed over 26,000 lbs. or anything with air brakes require a CDL. I have had no problem renting trucks with lift gates in any state so far. One of the companies I have used and had very good luck with (very new equipment and gentle suspension) is Idealease. All of their trucks have lift gates that tuck under the truck. (important when dock loading) and nice E channels for heavy duty straps. They also have wood floors which is good for nailing pieces of 2x4's into at the base of racks and pieces that you can't strap down. Some of their locations will not do one way rentals however. Dan

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Planning for an equipment move...

by mbg＠world.std.com

Well, the day has come... next weekend is when I've arranged to go and get the pdp-8s and the pdp-11/34 that I've been making room for at home... In preparation of the move, I just wanted to ask the list for some advice on how to transport so as to have no (or minimum) risk of damage. The machines are currently in two tall (6') and one medium (about 4') racks. There is a minimum of cabling between the racks, so separating them should not be a problem. I'm planning on marking any such cables so they can be restored. Obviously, the RL disks will have heads locked down. The other disks are Diablo (RK05 equivalents), so how do I lock those down? Since I don't have a class two license, I can't get a truck with a lift gate, so I was planning on unloaded all the boxes from the racks (CPU, disks, anything else) and placing them on shipping pads, the disks with foam pads underneath. I was planning on tipping the racks over onto dollies to be wheeled up the ramp into the truck where they would travel on their sides, on mats. One thing I learned from boating -- If something can possibly end up on the deck en route, *put it there* before casting off... Also, in order to make some room, I'm getting rid of a few things and wanted to offer them to people on the list. What I have to get rid of are two 11/05 chassis, with power supplies, unknown state (I got them from someone else in that state), and one 11/10 chassis, also in unknown state. They are pretty heavy, so I'm not up to lugging them somewhere for shipment. Also, since they are unknown state, it might be best for someone local to Framingham, Mass to pick them up if interested. Finally, if anyone is interested in helping in the move to experience the procedure of moving old iron (hows that for a "fence-painting come-on"?), please contact me off-list... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Apple II e

by fpp＠concentric.net

I have several Apple II e in various condition. A few missing keytops etc. Also have the external floppy drives both styles. Need the room so I'd like to sell them for $5.00 each plus any shipping. I will be taking them to TRW on the 27th. Space E-11. I also have 2 McDonald Douglas terminals. Don't know anything about them execpt the were working. Same price $5 each.

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by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

> So is the H960 the rack that is about 4 feet high? No, the H960 is a bit over 6 feet high. You're probably thinking about the H9640/H9642 style boxes, which are about 45" high. There were numerous variations in slightly different widths and depths to handle special cases (i.e. the 3-RA80 configuration, the TU80/RA80 configuration, etc.) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Planning for an equipment move...

by Anthony.Eros＠digital.com

Megan - Depending on how many trips you're willing to make, a station wagon can do the trick quite nicely. I used my Taurus wagon DECwreck a couple of years ago to move four of the 6' racks containing a pair of PDP-11/45s without a lot of trouble (other than weight.) The fit was perfect for one rack per trip and the rack had nowhere to go. -- Tony -----Original Message----- From: mbg(a)world.std.com [SMTP:mbg@world.std.com] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 1999 10:36 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Planning for an equipment move... Well, the day has come... next weekend is when I've arranged to go and get the pdp-8s and the pdp-11/34 that I've been making room for at home... In preparation of the move, I just wanted to ask the list for some advice on how to transport so as to have no (or minimum) risk of damage. The machines are currently in two tall (6') and one medium (about 4') racks. There is a minimum of cabling between the racks, so separating them should not be a problem. I'm planning on marking any such cables so they can be restored. Obviously, the RL disks will have heads locked down. The other disks are Diablo (RK05 equivalents), so how do I lock those down? Since I don't have a class two license, I can't get a truck with a lift gate, so I was planning on unloaded all the boxes from the racks (CPU, disks, anything else) and placing them on shipping pads, the disks with foam pads underneath. I was planning on tipping the racks over onto dollies to be wheeled up the ramp into the truck where they would travel on their sides, on mats. One thing I learned from boating -- If something can possibly end up on the deck en route, *put it there* before casting off... Also, in order to make some room, I'm getting rid of a few things and wanted to offer them to people on the list. What I have to get rid of are two 11/05 chassis, with power supplies, unknown state (I got them from someone else in that state), and one 11/10 chassis, also in unknown state. They are pretty heavy, so I'm not up to lugging them somewhere for shipment. Also, since they are unknown state, it might be best for someone local to Framingham, Mass to pick them up if interested. Finally, if anyone is interested in helping in the move to experience the procedure of moving old iron (hows that for a "fence-painting come-on"?), please contact me off-list... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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items purchased from Tony Dellett

by eric＠brouhaha.com

Back in November, Tony Dellett posted to this list a message offering a bunch of items for sale. A copy is attached below. Would anyone who purchased items from Tony please send me private email? Thanks! Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:24:10 -0500 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu From: "Dellett, Anthony" <Anthony.Dellett(a)Staples.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Spring Cleaning X-To: "'classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu'" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I know it's not spring but it is time for me to thin out my collection. I'm offering these for sale here first before sending them off to ebay. Email me with offers to anthony.dellett(a)staples.com. I dont get time to check the list much so posing a reply there will get you nowhere. Atari 800 (not working, parts?) Atari 1050 Disk Drive (two of them) Commodore 64 (complete in box, I have two like this) Commodore 1541 Disk Drive (2 in box, one works, one doesn't) Commodore 1541 II Disk Drive (complete in box) Commodore 128 (complete in box) Commodore 1571 Disk Drive (complete in box) Compupro S-100 Enclosure (motherboard and PS only, no cards) IMSAI 8080 W/8080 Processor Card, SIO4 (Godbout w/docs), RAM64 (Godbout w/docs), PIO8 (IMSAI) Kaypro I (incl. boot disk) Kaypro II (incl. boot disk) Kaypro IV (incl. boot disk) NorthStar Horizon (not working) NorthStar Advantage (works completely, with boot disk) Osborne I (not working) Osborne Executive (incl. boot disk) Processor Technology SOL w/SOLOS personality module Sanyo CP/M System (with software) TI-99/4A Computer (beige model, in box) TRS-80 Model III (with some software) 8" DS/DD Floppy Drive (in wooden enclosure) and Controller (Godbout w/docs) 8" SS/SD Floppy Drive (no enclosure) 8" SS/SD Dual Drive Subsystem (ICOM) 8" Hard Disk Drive in enclosure w/controller (Fujitsu Hard Drive, Godbout Controller w/docs) I also have some random Commodore stuff that I cant remember (modem, paddles, trackball, etc...) I can take a closer look if anyone is interested. A word of warning... I'd like to sell these things to someone on the list but I'll only accept "reasonable" offers. Tony

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by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>> Sounds like a fine plan. Note that many medium-sized station wagons >> will hold a single H960, too. >And a friend has an SUV that holds *two* H960s. :-) A true full-size station wagon (like a 1976 Pontiac Grand Safari) will barely hold two H960's between the wheel wells. But I doubt that any wagons this size have been made for decades. I still occasionally see newish Buick Roadmaster wagons, but I don't think these are big enough to fit two racks in. There are companies out there that customize Roadmaster wagons into hearses; some of these might have enough space inside for two H960's- I've never been in one, so I wouldn't know for sure! For smallish moves like the one Megan is undertaking, I think a trailer behind a car is a fine way to go. Really fragile stuff like drives and disk packs can ride up front where it's climate controlled, and most trailers have beds low enough that tipping racks in is a complete non-issue. This is how I got my 11/70 home, and it was in a dual-wide high-boy (*not* tipped!) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Got a question....PDP? VAX?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I've been growing up in the age of "IBM era" of computers. The only non-IB <(compatible) computers that I've worked on was an apple //c and a TRS-80 It has it's upsides. <What I'm wondering, is what exactly is a PDP, or a VAX, or an Altair, or an <of the other things that come up frequently on the list. Also - how is on <of the computers (such as the Altair) operated, with all the switches and <indicators? Is there a keyboard or a monitor with it? Jason, Here is a brief snapshot of some of those mentioned. Altair <~1975-->1979>: A very raw machine with a toggle switch and led front pannel. Its based on the 8080 cpu. Unlike PCs there was no rom, no bios (it was being invented around the same time). Boards used a BUS called S100 for the 100 pin connector and a typical board would be a serial port, 8k ram, or maybe a 16line by 64 character video card. No monitor and keyboard like PCs, if you had the bucks a TTY of the mechanical kind (ASR33) and it also allowed paper tape. PDP-8 <~1965--> 1991>: PDP8 was a 12bit archetecture and in the real early days was like the altair with lights, switches and core memory that didn't forget with the power off. By the late 80s the PDP-8 was commonly know as DECMATEII and III and used a CMOS version of the PDP-8 CPU. One of the longest running of the old iron. OSes were created on this machine and would live on others. Best known are RTS-8, OS/8, EDUSYSTEM, MUMPS, COS. used a lot for science(labs), data aquisition and control systems. PDP-11 <~1970--> CURRENT> A 16 bit CPU useing complex instruction types and is the longest running line of the oldies. It started as all TTL small scale integration and the last 15 years of them are chips (J11 is the longest running of the chips). Considered one of the most potent of the 16bit cpus with many rivals. Boxes ranged from the tiny to real monsters. peak perfomance was about 1-2MIPS. Still considered by many to be a great programmers machine. It ran RT-11, DOS, MUMPS, RSTS, RSX, UNIX and many more OSs. Many of the single board versions (over 50,000 at Bridgeport Machine tools alone) were built into NC tools. VAX <~1978--current>: DEC forsaw that 16bits was not enough for high performance computing and created the 32bit VAX-11/780. the VAX-11 was droped for vax but it's part of its roots. It's a very CISC machine, 32bits and is know for 24x365 kinds of operations, they were workhorses and carried the superminicomputer banner for many years. Later versions were of the smaller form with the MicroVAX being the first chip level implmentation. They set a standard for perfomance that is unique (VUP). the common OS is VMS, ULTRIX (DEC BSDversion of unix). VAX was not a front pannel machine and many of the larger ones had a PDP-11 (in the form of an 11/03 or Pro350/380) as the "front end". Their sizes ran from room fillers to the small VS2000 or later 3100 workstation pizza boxes. systems like the nearly 10year old VS3100 are still considered good mailservers and small web servers and do not crash when loaded to the max+1. Hope that helps. Allison

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Got a question....PDP? VAX?

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:01:24 -0800 "Jason Willgruber" <roblwill(a)usaor.net> writes: >Hi! > >I've been growing up in the age of "IBM era" of computers. The only >non-IBM (compatible) computers that I've worked on was an apple //c and a >TRS-80 model III that nearly caught my basement on fire. Don't forget the Mac Portable you got this past winter (hint, hint). Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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"The Home Computer Wars"

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

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vax, cdrom, disks, etc

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

A followup. I posted my VMS/vax question to comp.os.vms (imagine that) and am told there is a patch to vms 6.1 that makes it more tolerant of non dec drives by making it set the two bytes in the drive configuration automatically. it's at ftp://service.digital.com it's called vaxscsi03_61.zip Haven't applied it yet. I'll keep you posted. Now to find a cdrom that the vaxstation likes. :) -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Help! Apple //c keyboard & whatnot...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 11.3.1999 17:01:29 Eastern Standard Time, steverob(a)hotoffice.com writes: > As a former model airplane builder, I have found that the effectiveness of > Superglue varies *tremendously* from brand to brand. There are also several > different types. Some of them are very thin like water. Seems like those > only stick to flesh. Others are more of a Gel and work just the way you'd > expect. > > Before giving up, I'd try a couple of different ones. It sure beats waiting > for epoxy to cure. If helps, I'll see if I can find a source for the "Good" > stuff? > > Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> i build airplanes as well, and what works good is the thin type glue and then a shot of that funky smelling accelerator. that makes any suprglue setup within seconds. david

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18 Classic Computers Delivered, a beaut day.

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>> Eh? IBM Displaywriter was one of the first platforms to support CP/M86 >> (if not the first!) > > You must be thinking of something else. The IBM DisplayWriter was a > dedicated word processor based on the 8085. I don't think so. Are you sure you're not thinking of the Datamaster (AKA System/23)? My Datamaster (I have the data processing version, not the word processing version, alas) certainly has an 8085 at its heart, but my Displaywriter equally certainly has an 8088. It was indeed designed as a dedicated word processor, but since it loaded system software from disk, it wasn't hard to set it to other tasks. Philip.

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Needed: a Video Lab and Video Framer board

by mikeparadiso＠worldnet.att.net

I am looking for an SGI Video Lab board and/or a Video Framer board from the older Power Series systems. If you have one or know someone who might have one, please send me an email mikeparadiso(a)worldnet.att.net Thanks!

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AES Data 7100

by foxvideo＠wincom.net

At 07:09 PM 3/11/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I just bought a strange looking machine at a Salvation Army store. It's >from AES Data Inc., Montreal, Canada. Model # is 7100, which is on the >plate on the front. I haven't brought it home yet because it's too damn >heavy to carry. > >The monitor is attached to the machine via a swivel neck. Two >full-height 5.25" disk drives are attached to the right hand side. The >drives are part of the unit, but they're made to look separate, especially >by their height which is much taller than the rest of the machine. (The >drives are stacked one on top of the other.) > >The port on the back which is labeled "Printer", is a female connector >which has pins arranged in a grid pattern. The connector looks very, very >similar to the game controller connector on a Magnavox Odyssey. > >There's another port on the back which is a male edge connector. I didn't >count the number of pins on it. > >The keyboard uses a wide phone-jack style connector, and it has a >grounding wire which screws to the back of the machine. > >Does anyone know if this is just a strange looking early MS-DOS machine, >or a CP/M beast, or if it's something entirely different? > >I can't wait to get it home and open it up to see what's inside. >Providing I can figure out how to open it. :) > >-- >Doug Spence >ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca >http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/ > > Sounds as if you have found an ICON, aka "The Bionic Beaver", the computer designed by the Ontario government to take over the educational computer market. Unfortunately it came out at the same time as the IBM PC. If you find another one please let me know, as I have been looking in Windsor without success. (The schools have all sent them to the dump.) Regards Charlie Fox Charles E. Fox Chas E. Fox Video Productions 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor N8Y 3J8 Ont. Canada email foxvideo(a)wincom.net Homepage http://www.wincom.net/foxvideo

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Interesting to note about Altairs...

by arfonrg＠texas.net

> History will place >a very different value on their Altair because of what Linux will do to >Microsoft, far less than the tens of thousands that I imagine some people >think they may be worth some day. Before I speak, let me point out that I am a rabid supporter of Linux and I wish all bad things to Bill Gates, the powers that drive Micro$oft, Micro$oft and Windblows. Now that I put that disclaimer out, Linux doesn't have a chance against Micro$oft. The vast majority of computer users (now and in the future) are idiots who don't care to learn anything other that 'click on this little picture to make it go'. Linux will do some damage in the server market and other places where you have to have someone with some computer smarts but, most corporate purse strings are again controlled by those same 'click-idiots'. I really wish GNU would take a good command line OS (like CP/M), make it 32/64 bit, and multi-tasking/user and add a GUI and try and compete with Winblows. IMHO Arfon

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Help! Apple //c keyboard & whatnot...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 12, 0:55, SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com wrote: > what's the best for ABS plastic? I've found nothing that can glue it back > together with any strength, especially if it wasnt really a clean break or the > plastic got a bit deformed at the breaking point. You can get ABS cement (like PVC pipe cement) from some plumber's suppliers or you could try asking at any small plastics fabricator. Methyl Ethyl Ketone often works if the parts are a good fit; ABS cement is just ABS dissolved in a similar solvent. Commercially, MEK is also used for PVC, and most things intended for rigid PVC work well on ABS. If the parts aren't a good fit because they've been deformed, trim them carefully with a sharp scalpel or craft knife. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Help! Apple //c keyboard & whatnot...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 99-03-11 21:44:18 EST, you write: > My normal method for things like this : > > Polythene and PTFE : not a hope. Almost nothing will stick them... > > Otherwise, I try a spot of plastic weld. If it softens the surface, then > it'll probably sitck the parts together. Otherwise, if it's a rigid > plastic, I try epoxy. > > What is the item you're trying to stick? > what's the best for ABS plastic? I've found nothing that can glue it back together with any strength, especially if it wasnt really a clean break or the plastic got a bit deformed at the breaking point. david

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Still seeking Televideo TS-803

by douga＠email.com

Hey y'all, I'm still looking for a working Televideo TS-803 CP/M machine. If you have one you're willing to part with, or know someone who is, I'd appreciate a note. This was my first home computer, so it has nostalgia value for me. I'm not a collector, just a former owner and enthusiast. If you have a Televideo but aren't sure which model it is, check out this link for a photograph of the TS-1603 (on the left), which is physically identical to the TS-803: http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw/vcf-10.jpg Doug (Photo credit belongs to Jim's Computer Garage (http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw/jcgm-vcf.html)

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OT: Need Frenchy to translate message for me

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Is there a French speaking person in the house (Francois)? Someone from a French-speaking country sent me an undecipherable message that I need translated. I tried babelfish but it made the message make even less sense than what I remember from my high school French class. Please reply privately. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 02/15/99]

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HP85 Available

by Joel＠VirtualAdmin.com

Hi Marvin, Is it still available? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Marvin [mailto:marvin@rain.org] Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 1:17 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: HP85 Available This message uses a character set that is not supported by the Internet Mail Service. To view the original message content, open the attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display the original character set.

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Nerd Movie Review

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

I was just watching Beverly Hills Cop. In the police station offices, several shots: DEC Rainbows. :) Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 02/15/99]

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Printset?

by mbg＠world.std.com

>Excuse me for the dumb question, but .... this is one term I have not >been able to figure out exactly by the context. My best guess is >"circuit diagram" - am I close? Pretty much... but they also include such things as the mechanical engineering prints and parts lists... >I'm blushing, but determined to find out just what exactly printsets are! There are no dumb questions... only dumb answers... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Deal is off

by max82＠surfree.com

I apologize, but in a spark of confusion and anger, I threw the bag full of macintosh stuff into a river. So much for that... --Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)

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Old IC RAM Identification?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 11, 7:56, Rick Bensene wrote: > Subject: Old IC RAM Identification? > Anyone out there that can identify (i.e. size & arrangement(IE: 1Kx1) > and technology (i.e. Dynamic vs Static)) of some old RAM IC's? > > The parts are made by National, circa 1973. Part numbers are: > > MM4260 and MM5260 I've never seen any and those numbers aren't in my copy of Towers, but the nearest are MM4250, DIL 16, 256 x 1 SRAM, 650ns, 8 addr lines, 1 CS line, PMOS, +5V, -9V, 37mA, TTL output levels. There's an MM4261 listed, it's a 1024 x 1 DRAM with two more address lines and two more CS lines in an 18-pin DIL package, and an 4262 is 2048 x 1, so I'd guess your MM4260 is similar to a 4250 (256 x1). Sorry, no pinout. There's no 5250 or 5260 listed but there are MM5261 and MM5262. They look very similar to the 42xx but slightly faster, and they use +5, +6.5, and -12V. > These are found on an old memory board that is organized in four groups > of 5 chips, with 3 4260's and 2 5260's in each group of 5. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Hazeltine?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Hazeltine is/was located in Mass if I remember correctly. They made a lot The terminals group was located in Huntington NY (and Greenlawn NY) both on LI. Down the block military products were also done. The terminal stuff went away in the early 80s. Allison

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OT Humor: Heaven vs. Hell

by nerdware＠laidbak.com

Story revised by Paul Braun, based upon suggestions from Eric Schranz: The time had come for Bill Gates to finally leave for that great software factory in the sky. Upon arriving at the Pearly Gates (no relation, but he did try to buy them once), he was faced with a choice. He could either go to Heaven or to Hell. God said, "I'm willing to let you visit both places briefly if it will help you make a decision." " Fine, but where should I go first?" God said, "I'm going to leave that up to you." Bill said, "Ok then, let's try Hell first." So Bill went to Hell. It was a beautiful clean sandy beach with clear waters. There were thousands of beautiful women running around playing in the water, laughing and frolicking about. The sun was shining and the temperature was perfect. Bill was very pleased. "This is great!" he told God. "If this is Hell, I really want to see Heaven!" "Fine," said God and off they went. Heaven was a high place in the clouds, with angels drifting about playing harps and singing. It was nice but not as enticing as Hell. Bill thought for a quick minute and rendered his decision. "Hmm, I think I prefer Hell." he told God. "Fine", retorted God, "as you desire." So Bill Gates went to Hell. Two weeks later, God decided to check up on the late billionaire to see how he was doing in Hell. When God arrived in Hell, he found Bill shackled to a wall, screaming amongst the hot flames in a dark cave. He was being burned and tortured by demons. "How's everything going, Bill?" God asked. Bill responded, his voice full of anguish and disappointment, "This is awful! This is not what I expected. What happened to that other place with the beaches and the beautiful women playing in the water?" God said to Bill, "That was just the pre-release demo." "What do you mean?" cried Bill. "This place is nothing at all like that! I was promised fun and frolicking and a trouble-free afterlife! This is excruciatingly painful and miserable and I can't get anyone to tell me why!" And God said, "Duh! You, of all people. What part of that don't you understand? The version you saw is supposed to be bundled with HellNT, but that's been delayed, pending a very large snowstorm." Paul Braun NerdWare -- The History of the PC and the Nerds who brought it to you. nerdware(a)laidbak.com www.laidbak.com/nerdware

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AES Data 7100

by ds_spenc＠alcor.concordia.ca

Hi, I just bought a strange looking machine at a Salvation Army store. It's >from AES Data Inc., Montreal, Canada. Model # is 7100, which is on the plate on the front. I haven't brought it home yet because it's too damn heavy to carry. The monitor is attached to the machine via a swivel neck. Two full-height 5.25" disk drives are attached to the right hand side. The drives are part of the unit, but they're made to look separate, especially by their height which is much taller than the rest of the machine. (The drives are stacked one on top of the other.) The port on the back which is labeled "Printer", is a female connector which has pins arranged in a grid pattern. The connector looks very, very similar to the game controller connector on a Magnavox Odyssey. There's another port on the back which is a male edge connector. I didn't count the number of pins on it. The keyboard uses a wide phone-jack style connector, and it has a grounding wire which screws to the back of the machine. Does anyone know if this is just a strange looking early MS-DOS machine, or a CP/M beast, or if it's something entirely different? I can't wait to get it home and open it up to see what's inside. Providing I can figure out how to open it. :) -- Doug Spence ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca http://alcor.concordia.ca/~ds_spenc/

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Burst Nibbler?

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

>There is some sort of accelerator board built in to his 1541 drive. >Unfortunately, for it to work, it evidently needs a disk with something >called (I think) Burst Nibbler on it. >Seems to be associated with something called Dolphin DOS, possibly on the >same disk. As far as I remember (please correct me) Burst Nibbler is one of the accelerator system for the C=64<->1541 connection. I remember that there was a board with 2 EPROMS and a flat cable. This board have to replace the original C=1541 chipset.The flat cable was connecting with the C=64 (coming inside thru a cartridge in its port?) The flat cable was providing the parallel connection that was able to speed-up data transfer Inside the cartridge (or inside the C=64 new EPROM chipset) there were many utility like the NIBBLER copier, useful for hacking. Ciao! Riccardo Riccardo Romagnoli <chemif(a)mbox.queen.it>

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Help! Apple //c keyboard & whatnot...

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> > I have had zero success with superglue as well. Epoxy mostly loves me, so I > plan to 'stick' with it. > As a former model airplane builder, I have found that the effectiveness of Superglue varies *tremendously* from brand to brand. There are also several different types. Some of them are very thin like water. Seems like those only stick to flesh. Others are more of a Gel and work just the way you'd expect. Before giving up, I'd try a couple of different ones. It sure beats waiting for epoxy to cure. If helps, I'll see if I can find a source for the "Good" stuff? Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Printset?

by guerney＠uq.net.au

Excuse me for the dumb question, but .... this is one term I have not been able to figure out exactly by the context. My best guess is "circuit diagram" - am I close? For example, in one of today's posts: >so I can archive >not only my manuals, but my printsets as well. I'm blushing, but determined to find out just what exactly printsets are! Thanks Phil

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vax, cdroms, etc

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Almost any Plextor CD-ROM drive will have a jumper that will enable it to >be used on a host expecting 512k blocks. >I understand that many newer Toshiba CD-ROMs will also work equally well >with 512k or 2048k blocks. As far as I'm aware, of the older Toshiba >CD-ROM drives only the 3201B (3401B? I forget) is modifiable. I think you mean "512" and "2048" instead of "512k" and "2048k" :-). (At least you aren't talking about your processor speed in milliHertz!) >Real DEC RRD-42 drives turn up on eBay occasionally, but I understand they >use a non-standard caddy so make sure you get one. I learned this from Tim >Shoppa so I'm sure he can correct me if I'm wrong. RRD40's take non-standard caddies. I'm not sure about RRD42's off the top of my head. They're also as slow as molasses. I'd estimate, in modern "X" speed terms, that a RRD40 is about 0.1X (i.e. if you're lucky you get one sector off every ten revolutions.) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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HX-20 the wonder of Epson

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Upon the date 09:00 PM 3/9/99 -0800, Sellam Ismail said something like: >On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Mike Ford wrote: > >> Can you tell me much about the AC adapter? (why is it the adapter always >> gets lost. I didn't get one with the PowerBook 5300CS I bought last >> Saturday either.) I wonder if a generic adapter will be OK to use? > >DC 6V; 600mA. Hi Sellam, Could you tell him the polarity of the connections too? I just thought of this. It may be important for him if he has to replace the connector on a new generic adapter or and old, used unit. Power connector polarity may not be marked on the 5300CS as it occasionally is on computers, radios, tape decks, stuff. Sounds like from your authoritative reply, Sellam, you have one of these or at least a manual. Hence, my suggestion. Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa

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Help! Apple //c keyboard & whatnot...

by zmerch＠30below.com

Once upon a midnight dreary, Sellam Ismail had spoken clearly: >On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Roger Merchberger wrote: >> 1. His keyboard from the sounds of it, is (at best) *seriously* wounded... >The //c keyboard wants to be torn down and rebuilt. It had these >ridiculous metal hinges attached to each one to give them their feel. >After a while the hinges go bad and start making the keys stick. So the >solution is to lift the keycaps and remove each hinge. The click will be >gone but the keyboard will be much nicer to type on. Sounds like a good idea, but nicer for whom to type on? Personally, I like the key click - but I could live without it. This person is disabled and seems to need some tactile feedback so he can tell if he pressed the key enough... he may not want to give up the keyclick... Can the keyboard be torn down, cleaned, and restored to original (or damn-near original) condition? I'm not afraid of work... >> 2. He's got some software on disks that (i believe) he's assuming are >> unreadable. He speaks of the disks being dirty & worn, but doesn't actually >> mention that he's attemted and failed to see if they still work. He is >> willing to purchase new (if possible) disks of this software, which he's >> not sure what it was called... but he says it was the word processor and >> spelling checker from "border bond" [sic] software... which I'm assuming >> would be "Broderbund." He cannot remember the actual titles, but he says he >> has the original disks, so I do have access to them if necessary. >Sounds like Bank Street Writer. I don't know why he'd want to use that. Maybe because that's what he's accustomed to? He'd used the system for many years, and seems insistant that this is what he wants. Darned near everyone seems to hate vi on the unix platform, but a *very* close cousin to that is TS-EDIT, which I used for years, and actually liked it. And vi is the only *guaranteed* text editor on a Unix box, so it's a good idea to learn the very basics if you decide to become a *nix administrator-type person. >It was terrible in my opinion. Tell him he wants APpleWorks instead. Erm... he's what is commonly referred to as a "customer." Last time I checked the definition, they're always right. I'm not about to try to shoehorn him into new software that he'll "have" to learn, when it's not what he wants. >Integrated word processor, spread sheet and database. A much nicer >package, *if* you need a spreadsheet and database. He needs just the wordprocessor and spell checker. > and in 80-columns too (Bank Street Writer was implemented as 40 >characters in the hi-res mode). I don't know for sure, but he may like the lower column count for his less-than-optimal eyesight... but I've not asked him on that part. [[[Editor's Note: And for those of you who think you *cannot* do decent, business-type correspondance letters in 40column... My Tandy200 says otherwise...]]] >> *Any* help or information at all on this project would be most appreciated, >> so thank you all in advance. > >I'd be happy to help him out. Give him my e-mail address and we'll take >it from there. Normally, I'd have no problem with that, but he doesn't want his e-mail address public, and he wishes that I take care of the work -- he doesn't want to be bothered with all of the particulars of why, what, and how to fix the thing... he's just interested in the final product -- a working //c. He's by no means technical (I shielded his description of the 7" floppy drives from the list members... ;-) My being good with classic machines (tho mostly on the Tandy side of things), I mentioned I might be able to help him. He's put the ball in my court, now. ========================== And in other news......... ========================== Once upon a midnight dreary, Mike Ford had spoken clearly: >Start by taking it apart and giving it a good cleaning. Its just a few >screws and a little convincing, and the keyboard comes off as a unit with I >think just one more screw inside (which I hope to remember to put back in >one of mine next time I open it up). [snip] But does this only get the keyboard out of the computer, or does this tear down the keyboard itself... I've tried the "keyboard in the dishwasher" routine, and the "keyboard and the toothbrush" routine... and personally, I've not had any success with them. (This is not to say that it doesn't work... the only thing I've *ever* successfully glued together with superglue are my fingers. The stuff must work, to sell so much - but I must just be plain stupid regarding its use 'cause it doesn't ever work for me... that's why I use epoxy - works every time.) Subsequently, the only way I've ever successfully restored a keyboard (to better than new, I might add) is by full teardown, clean, lube (judiciously...) and reassemble. I have done this with several keyboards, and always had a winner. >I would not spend more effort than that, they are just too cheap. >Reluctant machines become organ donors for the more promising. Define "cheap." This is probably the only //c in existance in over a 50 mile radius of here... There's no source for spare parts around here (in any form) for at least 200 miles. No spare parts available... so all I have going for me *is* effort. What else is there for a poor, backwoods country geek to do??? ;-) Thanks to all, and I'm still open for ideas... Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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Hazeltine?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> wrote: > Russ Blakeman wrote: > > Anyone heard of a Hazeltine? Not sure of the model but I have a black > > They made quite a few different models of terminals, and one thing I have > heard but not yet confirmed, is that one of the models had some core memory > in it. If this is so, I wouldn't be surprised to find that that model is the Hazeltine 2000, a real piece of work. It's kind of boxy: one rectangular box for the monitor, with a black front and sort of goldenrod-shade-of-beige metal case, or maybe the ones I saw were just yellowed by exposure to chain-smoking programmers, and a matching yellowish boxy keyboard attached by way of a thick cable. The display is a relatively long-persistence green CRT, capable of showing twenty-something (24 I think) lines of 74 columns each. The ones I saw could not display lower case, but as they were talking to something whose native character set was FIELDATA there was no lower case that needed displaying. Best of all, it's too stupid to clear the screen when powered on, and likely as not what it greets you with first thing in the morning is a garbled version of what it was showing you last night when you turned it off. (There is a reset button, one of the round pushbuttons on the right edge of the keyboard, which clears the display should you like to start fresh.) So while I wouldn't be surprised to find that the display memory is core, I'd be even less surprised to find that it is some kind of acoustic delay line. I wish I had had the foresight to grab one when that PPOE got rid of them in the mid-1980s, because I haven't seen one since. I do seem to have kept a manual and my inventory says it is dated January 1975. -Frank McConnell

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Definitely OT: Apple Network Server 500

by Philip.Belben＠PowerTech.co.uk

> I have, about six feet away from me, a brand spanking hardly used Apple > Network Server 500. Nice unit. I've managed to get AIX 4.1.4.0 on it (provided > with the system) and CDE runs well. No cc or xlc, but we have some RS/6000s > here, so I built gcc on one of them and copied the binaries over and now I > have a Perl and a decent compiler (had to steal as from the RS/6000s also). > It's a 603e PPC emulating an RS/6000 (!), 132MHz, 32MB RAM. Fast sucker. > Bookstore buys this guy to handle their database system, vendor says we don't > support it, so it goes into the server room powered off for almost two years > until the tech guy decides he doesn't want it anymore and tells me I can use > it to my heart's content if I can fix it. So I did! :-) > > Quick question: are there any AIX gurus out there? I need to upgrade this > box to 4.1.5 or some Y2K compliant version. I have a contact at IBM who might > be able to get me the upgrade, but I was wondering if anyone out there has the > patches already. 4.2 is apparently right out as I doubt IBM supports the > POWER architecture anymore, but I'd like to be pleasantly surprised. Um. I don't claim to be an AIX guru, but... There are supposed to be patches to make 3.2.5.0 Year 2000 compliant, but I haven't managed to download them. However downloads for 4.anything should be readily available. There should be no surprise at Power PC chips emulating RS/6000 machines - the PPC instruction set is based on that of the POWER RISC chipset used in early RS/6000s. The last POWER RISC machines were obviously an end of line product when we were looking to buy a new server last year - all modern RS/6000 machines in our price range were based on PPC chips. (Unfortunately all those in our price range had rotten floating point benchmarks compared to the old series, so we bought a Sun instead. With luck I get the old machines. But I digress.) I have just looked at the one e-mail remaining from my conversation with an IBM rep on the subject. I quote almost in full: ********************************************* > Phillip, > > try this URL :- > > http://service.boulder.ibm.com/aix.ww/aixfixes?HBW=no > > Select APAR number and type in IX76413 in the box > > they can be downloaded from there This site behaves just like the one I tried, viz. it gives me the message: Fix packages for AIX 3.2.5.0 environments are not supported by this web service. Please use the FixDist tool or contact your authorized IBM Business Partner or IBM support center to order the fix on tape. > There is also an AIX program called fixdist that can be run on > RS/6000s to download fixes, this can be downloaded from:- > > http://service.software.ibm.com/aix.ww/downloads?HBW=no I take it fixdist requires our rs/6000 machines to know how to get at the internet, which ours don't at present. Philip. ********************************************* Hope this helps. Philip.

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18 Classic Computers Delivered, a beaut day.

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

Derek Peschel wrote: > As for the DisplayWriter, the situation is pretty similar. I think you need > IBM's software to get it to work. I don't know how much reverse engineering > has been done (thus, how easy it is to run other programs). Eh? IBM Displaywriter was one of the first platforms to support CP/M86 (if not the first!) Philip.

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Nerd Movie Review

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 09:43 PM 3/10/99 -0800, Sellam Ismail wrote: > >I was just watching Beverly Hills Cop. >In the police station offices, several shots: >DEC Rainbows. The folks dressing the sets of movies scrounge almost as hard as computer collectors. If they can sweet-talk some hardware maker into lending machines for scenes, they'll do it. It's product placement. Don't forget, many of the people working on movies are effectively sub-contractors, and if they can do it for less money, they're making money. And if they can get something that will "fall off the truck" or re-sold when the sets are demolished, all the better: I remember a particularly egregious example of a tech for the movie "Twins" who was systematically begging software makers for actual product (not just boxes, but disks, he insisted) to clutter some laboratory scenes. What a scam! - John

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Tom PIttman's Tiny BASIC for the 1802?

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

Would anyone happen to know where I could find a copy of Tom Pittman's Tiny BASIC for the 1802, as described in Personal Computing, March 1979? -Bill Richman (bill_r(a)inetnebr.com) http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r - Home of the COSMAC Elf Microcomputer Simulator, Fun with Molten Metal, Orphaned Robots, and Technological Oddities.

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Hazeltine?

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Anyone heard of a Hazeltine? Not sure of the model but I have a black one piece terminal looking unit that I'm curious of the sentimental, astetic or collector value of this brand of machine. Any input appreciated and maybe there will be one up for adoption soon.

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List of Macintosh stuff available

by max82＠surfree.com

Allright, I have the list of stuff that I can ship. Please reply to me personally, first come - first served. Read the whole e-mail there are some goodies at the bottom. Much of this stuff I would prefer if it went to someone who has historical interests in mind. Most of this stuff I will ship anywhere for the price of shipping. Package of original Mac IIci manuals includes thin Macintosh Reference booklet, Getting started book, and the system software disks (6.0.?). Microsoft Works: Lessons booklet Hypercard 1.2.2 package includes User's Guide, Introduction to Scripting, and the hypercard disks. Mac SE Owner's Guide (2x) (thin) Mac Plus Owner's Guide (thin) System Software 6.0 User's guide (fairly thick) Applelink 6.0 User's guide (average thickness) (old network program. I could be persuaded to find the floppies) Macintosh Utilities User's guide (average thickness) (for System 6) A disassembled Macintosh IIx in unknown condition. This is missing the ROM SIMM, but it has RAM, the hard drive, a video card, a PSU, and the motherboard. It's an '030 w/math coprocessor. Would like some small payment beyond the shipping charge. System 7.0 demo CD (EBAY ALERT!) This is simply an awesome CD. It is the demos that would be run in-store, using hypercard. It only runs on System 7 and below, though. This is a future classic, or simply e-bay bait. Apple Nov. 1990 Service Source CD Apple reference/presentations lib. v.4.0 and v.7.0 CD Apple Lan Literacy 1000 CD 1989 Welcome to Macintosh demo CD Sigma demo CD Farallon's Greatest Hits Black Album CD Mac Showcase (1988) CD Macromind demo CD --Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)

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Fwd: C.A. model Alpha-16's available

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Hi group, The person who's message is copied below heard that I was a listmember of ClassicCmp from the Greenkeys list (it's for Teletype, other teleprinter, RTTY, and data comm interests). He asked me to post the availability of some of his equipment on the list. I don't know the fellow nor have any interest in the gear. Contact him directly. Regards, Chris PS: LAAG@... sounds familiar. Had he once before been a member of our list or is it just that I had occasionally seen some postings from him on Greenkeys and other amateur radio-related lists? CRF >From: LAAG(a)pacbell.net >Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:07:02 -0800 >Reply-To: LAAG(a)pacbell.net >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win16; U) >To: Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)netsync.net> >Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Fwd: ASR 33 manuals > >HI... I AM A COLLECTOR OF CLASSIC COMPUTERS AND HAVE SEVERAL MINI COMPUTERS >FROM THE 1970'S... I HAVE ENOUGH OF THESE THAT I HAVE SOME EXTRAS... THEY ARE MODEL ALPHA-16 >MADE BY COMPUTER AUTOMATION OF IRVINE CA. THEY HAVE 8 KBYTES OF CORE MEMORY... >COULD YOU ADD THIS TO THE CLASSIC COMPUTERS LIST FOR ME THANKS >LAAG(a)PACBELL.NET 909-359-0250 BOB LAAG > >

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Hazeltine?

by fpp＠concentric.net

hazeltine was a popular terminal, like the AMD Dumb terminal. The 1500 series were in use about 1977. They made US and Europe powered models. Sold by Computerland etc.

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suggestion for list sanity?

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

I was wondering if it would be possible to add an "OT subgroup" to classiccmp that people can choose to subscribe to or not. That way when something goes as far afield as the operating system discussion or the argument about guns in times past, those who wish to participate can simply agree to post to the off-topic board and not irritate those who don't wish to participate. Might be a good place for auction foo, too, although an additional subgroup for that would also work. Would this be possible, oh list admin? -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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SunOS 4.0.3

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

It looks like the last version of SunOS that I can run on a Sun 1/100U is version 4.0.3, however i'm not sure if I have enough ram to use that version. It looks like I can only add 2 ram boards, and all I have are 1Meg ram boards... Does anyone have 4.0.3 that they could supply to me in some form? Or is there a better alternative for sun 2's with low ram (sun 1/100U is apparently very hardware equivalent to the earliest sun 2's, at least >from a software perspective). Perhaps there is a X11 version that might run acceptably from a sun with 2Meg of ram. The Sun 1/100U does not have any way to connect peripherals such as hard drives, so the unit will have to be booted from the network. I guess its almost time for me to brush up on tftp protocol, assuming I can find some OS to run on this computer. I dont suppose anyone has a sun multibus 4Meg memory board they would be willing to trade? -Lawrence LeMay lemay(a)cs.umn.edu

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E&L Mini-Micro Designer

by fauradon＠pclink.com

Actually I don't like the series of information that they are requesting plus you are right but: <Quote> We reserve the right to suspend or remove any page from the system which is brought to our attention and which we find, in our sole discretion, violates any of these page content guidelines or otherwise is in violation of the law. GeoCities does not actively monitor the content of Personal Home Pages, GeoShops, Forum posts or Chat posts, but we will investigate complaints of violation of these guidelines. Please submit any such complaints using our Content Violation Reporting Form. <End Quote> I'll think about it for a while and look for other opportunitiesat the same time. Francois >So? Its not like they're going to check all 50,000 web pages that are >setup on their server. And if you believe in following all the rules, >this was not exactly a rule. It was just a request to refrain from doing >these things, which in my mind is optional. > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. > > Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 02/15/99] >

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HP CS/80,SS/80 & Amigo Protocols

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Guys: Does anyone have the docs for these HP protocols? They're used to communicate with HP HPIB disk drives and stuff. The Amigo protocol is the oldest. Then the CS-80, and the SS-80 is the newest. I think any of these would be relevent to the work I'm doing. Joe: You mentioned you had the Amigo protocol. If you can dig it up, that would be cool, but only if time allows! Thanks. Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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