- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by brian＠sigh.mse.jhu.edu

Hi All -- There's a company in Baltimore looking for someone to haul away an (Ultimate) Honeywell DPS-6. They've got the machine itself, four 500MB (SMD?) drives, a 9-track, and several boxes of documentation. They're moving out of their current space, so you'll have to move quickly. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll put you in touch with them. -- Brian -- Brian Harrington Digital Knowledge Center The Johns Hopkins University brian(a)sigh.mse.jhu.edu

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RSTS/E

by rhudson＠ix.netcom.com

Hi, I am playing with the PDP11 emulator by Bob Supnik, and I have a running RSTS/E. I just recently figgured out how to add new users.. I am still trying to figgure out how to send files to the "lineprinter" and how to punch files Can anyone help with experince of this OS? Thanks. ron.

26 years, 4 months

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sparemaker

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> I bowled a lot in the 60s/70s, and always wondered how that worked. If you throw strikes, you don't need the sparemaker ;-) Steve (I only need one hand) Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

26 years, 4 months

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What's an RX01 drive worth to a commercial user?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: I wrote: > >I used to work there. I *can't* get the cool stuff out. > > > You have to pay something for the equipment.. more than the scrappers. No... I mean I _can't_ get it out. I would have to bid for *all* scrap from a plant the size of 22 football fields. They are a large company with a large company mentality: all or nothing. Rules are rules. etc, etc. They don't part this stuff out by lots, they bid out all the work to one company (whose name I've never been able to learn or I'd just go right to them). > Companies do not care about "rescuing"..... Very much true. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

26 years, 4 months

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Apple IIGS and Harddrive

by mike.welsh＠sjsd.k12.mo.us

Just got a harddrive, external SCSI with card. I would like to hook this up to my Apple IIGS. I have downloaded Apple IIGS OS 6.0.1 from the Apple site. When I boot the computer with disk 1 of the OS, I get an error to check startup devices. I get this even when I don't have the SCSI card in the computer. The disks are formatted MAC, do they need to be formatted ProDOS?, Apple IIGS specific, or? thanks

26 years, 4 months

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sparemaker

by ss＠allegro.com

Re: > Okay... Before this degrades into a major thread of how badly AMF fubar'd > Harley Davidson, I'm going to declare a winner as seen in the following: > > At 10:28 AM 10/26/1999 -0700, ss(a)allegro.com wrote: > > > >My guess: > > > > The "how to bowl this time" computer...the thing that determined > > where to light up the "arrow" that suggested the best way to > > make the spare. I bowled a lot in the 60s/70s, and always wondered how that worked. ... > computation was complete, the solution was relayed back to the smaller > chassis (called the "ball path indicator") where it was latched for > display, thus freeing up the main computer to service requests from other > pinsetters. pretty sophisticated! > I thought I had a picture of one in operation, but I can't put my hands on > it right at the moment, and it would take sometime to wire the computer up > just for this occasion... So, perhaps later... I'd argue this is a good chance to build an indoor bowling alley, to test it! :) > And now... the identity of this outings infamous 'no prize' (if indeed the > lucky winner wishes to claim it!) A slightly (ok, very) used, actual, for > real, AMF Bowling Pin! To claim it, drop me a note (off list) with your > address. I'll claim it! I've always wanted one! Ironically, that's the closest I'll come to bowling for awhile...my right (bowling) arm is in a sling for a couple of weeks (shoulder separation). Stan Sieler Allegro Consultants, Inc. 20700 Valley Green Dr. Cupertino, Ca 95014 Stan (typing one handed for awhile) Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com http://www.allegro.com/onehand.html

26 years, 4 months

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HELP! ( totally OT) - Hitachi Monitor problem

by edick＠idcomm.com

please see embedded comments below. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 4:23 PM Subject: Re: HELP! ( totally OT) - Hitachi Monitor problem >> >Well, I know I don't have the service data for this one. And it's >> >somewhat unusual for such problems ot be related ot the pincushion >> >circuitry -- more often it's related to the hsync stuff -- the PLL (if it >> >uses one) isn't locking, something like that. >> > >> Having attempted to locate a source of service data for this beastie for >> over four months, during which time it sat on the floor of my already >> overcrowded computer room, where I, mobility-handicapped as I am, had to >> step around it, I decided to look at the adjustments. This fault came about >> VERY gradually, having been noticeable during the warmup phase for a couple >> of years, but until more recently, when the duration of this problem grew to >> over half an hour, I figured that it might be in some way related to the >> aging process. > >THis really does sound like a failing electrolytic capacitor. I've had >them behave oddly when cold, or behave oddly when warm or... > >> >> Like most CRT's it has several hundred electrolytic cap's, and I'm loath to >> remove them all so they can be tested, though it may come down to that. I >> bought this thing in late '93 and it was manufactured in '91, so I have to >> assume it's aged a bit. > >Somtimes you can check the ESR with the capacitor in-circuit. The main >exception is when it's shunted by an inductor or another low DC >resistance path IIRC. > >I don't own an ESR meter yet, but it's certainly on my list of things to >get/build. From what I've heard they're a great time-saver for doing repairs. > >> It's surprising that one can't easily order service documents for these >> monitors, but I guess it's my inability to understand how business is done >> these days. > >Hey _I'm_ the one that flames about not being able to get service >information for everything I own. Last time I ranted on about this you >pointed out a number of good reasons why such information might not be >available. > It's like getting the service manual for a car of the same vintage, except that when a car is this old, it's just starting to cause little problems and the third-party repair manuals are available everywhere. In the electronics business, there have never been really decent repair manuals from 3rd parties, except maybe for TV's, of which I've never had one break. Unfortunately, as the prices of these commodities drop, the level of expectation to which the vendors respond drops as well. These days, you can get a really decent 20" monitor for $400 or less. When it breaks, it's unlikely you'll get anyone to fix it for less than the price of a new one. If you want a schematic of a 7-year-old TV set, I doubt it's readily available either. I've never had a monitor repaired successfully by a "professional" working at an "authorized" repair center. I sent in a very nice NEC monitor which had some wierd malfunction in the power management hardware which caused it to drop out at random times, then refuse to come on again for weeks at a time. The service center couldn't fix that. The monitor cost $879 new, and was still in warranty, as it turned out (they give you a 2-year warranty and perform no outgoing inspection, apparently) so when I phoned the NEC people, they sent me a new one via FedEx, and really didn't demand even that I return the old one. I had a similar experience with a DELL monitor with the same problem, except that the monitor wasn't mine. The problem was the same, and the response was the same. A new monitor over night, no demand for the original one. I guess the shipping cost is too high to warrant repairing them. > >Although it's hard to imagine anything particularly clever/unusual in a >standard colour monitor. Most monitors that I've worked on use pretty >much standard circuitry. > That's what puzzles me about the color displays I have sitting about. There aren't many that look even remotely similar beyond the most superficial observation. Not one has a flyback transformer, and all the current-generation multisync types use some encapsulated device about 4x6x1" or so to effect the power management functions. > >More likely, the company is worried that you'll either hurt yourself or >damage the unit if you have a go at fixing it. No, I'm not happy about >this -- IMHO if I pull the cover and fiddle around then it's _my_ >responsibility if I do damage to the unit or to myself. And I'm more >likely to do such damage _without_ a service manual (people who know me >know full well that the lack of a service manual is not a reason for me >not to dive into something). But trying to explain this to the company is >generally a waste of time. > In view of the fact they don't want the broken/defective ones back, that must be their logic. >-tony >

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What's an RX01 drive worth to a commercial user?

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 11:14 AM Subject: Re: What's an RX01 drive worth to a commercial user? > > >--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: >I wrote: >> >I used to work there. I *can't* get the cool stuff out. >> >> >> You have to pay something for the equipment.. more than the scrappers. > >No... I mean I _can't_ get it out. I would have to bid for *all* scrap from >a plant the size of 22 football fields. They are a large company with a >large company mentality: all or nothing. Rules are rules. etc, etc. That's terrible. I have dealt with a lot of companies and scrappers and haven't found a company as nasty as that yet. I guess you will have to take the scrapper out for drinks....... john > >They don't part this stuff out by lots, they bid out all the work to one >company (whose name I've never been able to learn or I'd just go right to >them). > >> Companies do not care about "rescuing"..... > >Very much true. > >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >

26 years, 4 months

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HP9845B - Monitor?

by guerney＠uq.net.au

I've just been given a HP9845B. But I was told the monitor had long ago been broken and thrown away. There was a brief discussion on the list about this last giant HP desktop calculator/computer back in March and April this year. There is still almost nothing useful I can find on the web about it. The monitor appears to connect to the body by two combined mechanical/electrical connectors, sort of "monitor leg bases", protruding >from the top of the case. The rest of the unit appears to be in good shape. I have to clean it and check it out before trying to apply power, but is there any other way of getting a monitor output from this thing, other than >from its own monitor - I suspect it will be hard to find another one of those? The only other thing I have for it is a HPIB connector cable. Any other hints appreciated. I never expected to find one of these, but it was high on my wanted list. I clearly remember going to a presentation by HP at the University I was working at in 1979 or 1980 where one of these was the star attraction, and I still have the brochure for the 9845 from that day. Now for the 9815..25..35 etc! Phil Brisbane, Australia.

26 years, 4 months

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IBM 9370 Mainframe Specs?

by simmiv＠ozemail.com.au

This sounds like the 9373 Entry Level 370 System. It should have a type/model designation on it.. You can go to http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/ and select the Unites States IBMlink and check the sales manual.. It has a listing of all the different models of the 9370 and their capability.. It has an ASCII console which required an IBM PC with specially loaded software to configure the system. Rgds, Simmi

26 years, 4 months

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My new toys: Apollo and Osborne 1

by wrm＠ccii.co.za

Hi all Scored some nice new toys, an Osborne 1, and two Apollo workstations, a 3000 and a 3500, with one mono monitor. The 3000 has the following boards: Clearpoint memory card, 72 x 4256 chips (8M?) 8496 rev 01 (4M memory) 8157 Rev 03 (19" mono video adaptor) 7831 rev 0, 5885 rev 4, 5891 rev 4 (Ring Adaptor board set) Western digital MFM/floppy controller (I think) and a MFM 86MB drive, and a floppy (The floppy is loose, don't know if it's original. NEC FD1155C. 1.8 degrees/step stepper, so it's 80 track, probably 720K, or 800, whatever. I also have the monitor that goes with this machine. The 3500 has the following: 9988 rev 3 memory card (no idea of it's size) 3com ethernet card 9016 (RGB video adaptor) WD7000 scsi/hdd controller tape drive unknown Unfortunately I don't have the RGB cable or the monitor. Questions: * Can I use the mono display adaptor in the 3500? Can I run one of these boxen without a display card, or do they check like peecees? * How ISA compatible is the ISA bus? Can I stick a VGA card in there and expect it to work (OK, I know I'll have to write the code (port the VGA BIOS) but I mean electrically? Or an IDE controller? * Where can I find memory maps, circuit diagrams, whatever? * How rare are these beasts? I gather they're common? Any objections to me ripping out all the cards and the boot rom, sticking vmebug in the socket, and an IDE drive in the bay, and playing with the thing? re the Osborne 1 : where do I find a boot disk image, what format is it, and how can I write one on a peecee? ISTR a program that writes all these formats, I'll probably have to go dig up a 360k floppy drive, yes? Thanks Wouter

26 years, 4 months

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IBM 9370 Mainframe Specs?

by Andy.Keeble＠Royal-London-ins.co.uk

I asked on of our system programmers, where I work, because we used to have one. This is what he said:- The dates and market appear reasonable. Ours was running VM/SP and then VM/XA. Refrigerator size is right (including disk arrays). Ours had a S370 channel and an ASCII subsystem. Hope that is of some help > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Gregory [SMTP:gregorym@cadvision.com] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 6:53 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: IBM 9370 Mainframe Specs? > > There is an IBM 9370 Mainframe coming available in my area, and I'm > considering acquiring it (never had my own mainframe to play with). > I haven't been able to find much on the Web about this family of systems. > Can anyone point me to some info or confirm/deny the following facts: > > System produced: circa 1986 - 1988 > Intended market: "departmental mainframe", 20-100 users > Operating system: VM/SE > Dimensions: Refridgeratorish > Weight: 300 lb racks; 200-300 lb processor assembly; drives ??? > Typical peripherals: DASD drives, high-volume, heavy printers (500 lbs +), > tape drives, PS/2 consoles > Networking: ASCII subsystem for terminals, Ethernet? > Power and Cooling requirements: 3 phase power (240 V)?? > > I suspect that this system will be too large for my available space; is > anyone else in or near Western Canada interested in the system in whole or > in part? Thanks for any help. > > Mark Gregory >

26 years, 4 months

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SoCal TRW Swap

by jpl15＠netcom.com

Should anyone care... TRW is this Saturday. Mike Ford will send his Agent. Brunch might be. Need directions? Ask. Cheers John PS: Terse!

26 years, 4 months

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looking for punch cards

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

At least here in Germany they are still manufactured and can be bought at the manufacturer, minimum amount 20,000 pieces, price around US$ 250 for the 20,000 pieces. I am going to order some soon, so if you can't find them easier, I could add your requirements to my purchase. Keep in mind that in bulk they are heavy, shipping cost will be probably more than buying cost. Regards John G. Zabolitzky In einer eMail vom 28.10.99 18:50:11 MEZ, schreiben Sie: << Does anyone know where I can buy some of the old IBM Hollerith 80 column punch cards? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Ken Guenther ken_g(a)mailandnews.com >>

26 years, 4 months

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need docs for N* Z-80A processor board

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Help! I have a partially finished N* z-80A processor card. Does anyone <have docs for this so that I can finish it? It's a model ZPB-A2. If the 2708 eprom is not on it that because its an option that was rarely used. I have docs, copying them is likely out of the question for weeks. I'm totally out of time and the work copiers are not up to the task. Allison

26 years, 4 months

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ReGIS Clock?

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

Does anyone have a pointer to source code to the "ReGIS Clock" (displayed an analog clock using ReGIS graphics on the Pro, GIGI, etc) --Chuck

26 years, 4 months

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Looking for Kai Kaltenbach

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Will Kai Kaltenbach please contact me? sellam(a)siconic.com Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. VCF East? VCF Europe!? YOU BETCHA!! Stay tuned for more information or contact me to find out how you can participate http://www.vintage.org

26 years, 4 months

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Free(?) stuff in Richardson, Texas

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Remember a while back I posted about a company in Richardson, Texas, with a bounty of crap to give away? Well, they still have it and they are more desperate than ever to get rid of it. Last time I posted a list of stuff. I'm posting that list again, but the list has grown (and I don't know what's been added). To get in on this, simply send e-mail to David Albright at <dalbright(a)hbssystems.com> and work out the details with him. I'm sure they will not be interested in shipping anything unless you are willing to compensate them well for their time (this is a business that is not very interested in becoming a vintage computer vendor). It would be best if you could actually go to their business to pick the stuff up. Please respond directly to David Albright <dalbright(a)hbssystems.com>. Here is the list: Texas Instruments 1500 (1 bay) Archive tape drive 8-port TI hub Texas Instruments 1500 (8 bay) Archive tape drive 8-port TI hub Texas Instruments 300 Business System Terminal Texas Instruments Business System 300 (blows fuse after a minute) IBM PC/XT w/System/36 interface board IBM PC monochrome display IBM System/36 Desktop (Type 5364) ADP PC/AT (no P/S) ADP MAX 8500 (dead) Archive tape drive (2) 4-port networking hubs Motorola SYS3304NY151 Archive tape drive Texas Instruments System 1000 Archive 150MB tape drive TI System V Xemix 386 by SCO Manuals Texas Instruments System 1000 (3) NEC N4810II modem (2) Racal-Vadic VA212 audto-dial modem, AC adapter, cables, manuals DIS System 36 (bad hard drive) IBM monitor CITOH 8510 printer Texas Instruments Omni 800 printer Sperry IT (PC/AT with SCO Xenix) Unisys color monitor The company wants to ditch this stuff soon so act fast or else it might be scrapped. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. VCF East? VCF Europe!? YOU BETCHA!! Stay tuned for more information or contact me to find out how you can participate http://www.vintage.org

26 years, 4 months

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Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Does anyone know of any sources of info on the net anywhere on running a network between various rooms in a house? I'm wanting to run a line capable of handling 100BaseT from the house out to the garage, and probably a couple other rooms in the house. It is past time to move most of the VMS cluster out to the Garage, and tie in the parts already out there :^) Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

26 years, 4 months

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Free Arcserve Parts (Was: Re: Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables)

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 05:58 PM 10/27/99 -0400, you wrote: >It was thus said that the Great Lance Costanzo once stated: >> >> This talk of 10b2 reminded me of something. >> I've got an arcserve hub, some cables (laying in my driveway), >> and about a 1/2 dozen arcserve cards in some old 5150's. >> I have absolutely no use or software for them. >> Free for the shipping (from California). > > Is this the same as Arcnet? I would like to get my Tandy6000s networked >up and I know you can get Arcnet cards, although I've heard that the >interoperability between them and PC based arcnet cards leaves something to >be desired. My faw-paw. Yes, it is Arcnet. Arcserve is the backup software by Cheyenne. first hit out of altavista searching on arcnet: http://www.blackbox.nl/techweb/lan/arcnet/arcnet.htm >ARCnet is a Token Passing Bus, much but not exactly like IEEE802.4. It was originally developed by Datapoint Corporation >in 1977 as a hard disk interface but later used for LAN. DataPoint, Standard Microsystems Corporation (SMC) and Pure >Data are (were) the main players in the field. Lance Costanzo Advant, Inc. 1-800-824-8418 lance(a)advantinc.com Support Solutions for HP Systems http://www.advantinc.com

26 years, 4 months

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HELP! ( totally OT) - Hitachi Monitor problem

by edick＠idcomm.com

please see embedded comments below. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 2:37 PM Subject: Re: HELP! ( totally OT) - Hitachi Monitor problem >> >> Hopefully someone will know about this . . . I've got this really >> "comfortable" 20" monitor (Hitachi CM2085) which developed a rapidly >> fluctuating left and right margin, which apparently is related to its >> pincushion controls in some way. > > >Well, I know I don't have the service data for this one. And it's >somewhat unusual for such problems ot be related ot the pincushion >circuitry -- more often it's related to the hsync stuff -- the PLL (if it >uses one) isn't locking, something like that. > Having attempted to locate a source of service data for this beastie for over four months, during which time it sat on the floor of my already overcrowded computer room, where I, mobility-handicapped as I am, had to step around it, I decided to look at the adjustments. This fault came about VERY gradually, having been noticeable during the warmup phase for a couple of years, but until more recently, when the duration of this problem grew to over half an hour, I figured that it might be in some way related to the aging process. Like most CRT's it has several hundred electrolytic cap's, and I'm loath to remove them all so they can be tested, though it may come down to that. I bought this thing in late '93 and it was manufactured in '91, so I have to assume it's aged a bit. The individual scan lines seemed to change both randomly and rapidly, from one to the next, in width, giving a jittering effect to the margins. On a monitor of this size it's not easy to see both margins simultaneously, but it apears that when the left margin jitters to the right, the right margin jitters to the left. Now that I've fiddled with the adjustments to such extent that the jittering is completely gone, the screen has a very substantial pincushion, somewhat more pronounced on the left than the right, though the display is VERY stabile. The width control on the front of the monitor currently has no effect. I find I'm unable to restore the conditions to their original state, not that it would help. There are a few adjustments I've not seen before. A couple, such as side-pin, Hsize, and Vsize have a second adjustment called "sub.-whichever" e.g. sub. side-pin, etc. These seemed to work in pairs with the normal adjustment. I'm baffled as to why the front panel controls don't have the same effects as before. Since I paid out a couple of K-bucks, albeit nearly 7 years ago, (mostly because I like this monitor) I'm loath to scrap it. A prefectly good new monitor of comparable size, brightness, focus, linearity (and weight), etc. costs about $400 nowadays, unless one wants to pay for the name. It's surprising that one can't easily order service documents for these monitors, but I guess it's my inability to understand how business is done these days. >> Not being in any sense expert in repairing monitors, I fooled around with >> the various accessible controls, (after removing the plastic outer shell) > >I've never been a believer in tweaking adjustments. If a device stops >working, then some component has failed, and an adjustment is not going >to bring it back. > >On the other hand, as here, sometimes seeing the effect of adjustments >can narrow down the fault area. But it's normal to need a schematic for this. > >> such as "side-pin" among others, and managed to get the horizontal line >> length to remain relatively stabile, though the screen now has a huge >> pincushion distortion, which I can make go away somewhat, but when it's >> gone, the rapid left/right margin fluctuation comes back, though somewhat >> differently than before. >> >> Is anyone familiar enough with this monitor or with monitors of this type to >> make any kind of suggestion which might help alleviate this problem? > >First thought -- a dried up capacitor somewhere which is allowing 2 >circuits to couple. Say that's injecting PSU ripple or horizontal scan >ripple (a lot of supplies probably come from the flyback transformer) >into some power line somewhere. > >I'd start (given that you don't have any service data) by testing all the >electrolytics with an ESR meter. > >-tony >

26 years, 4 months

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I'm interested in any of your commodore PETs

by dudley7＠ix.netcom.com

Hey, I saw you ad at a flea market website, about commodore PETs, and was wondering if you were still selling any? Write Back, -Jonathan-

26 years, 4 months

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need docs for N* Z-80A processor board

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Help! I have a partially finished N* z-80A processor card. Does anyone have docs for this so that I can finish it? It's a model ZPB-A2. Joe

26 years, 4 months

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What's an RX01 drive worth to a commercial user?

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 3:19 PM Subject: Re: What's an RX01 drive worth to a commercial user? > > >--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >Well... reasonable cuts both ways. Perhaps I should have said, "I want to >> >gouge them, but not so much they buy one from someone else... how bad can >> >I make it hurt?" Is that better? ;-) >> > >> >> I wonder if they will make YOU *hurt* when they go to get rid of the >> equipment they have. > >I used to work there. I *can't* get the cool stuff out. You have to pay something for the equipment.. more than the scrappers. You told me yourself you don't like to pay much for any of this equipment - and companies don't put up with that. I have dealt with many very large companies and they ALWAYS sell to the highest bidder (I haven't lost a system to a scrapper yet). If they still won't give up the equipment for scrap(never happened to me yet) then go to a local high school and get them to type up a request letter. I have NEVER had any corporation turn down a high school for scrap equipment. Generally you can work out in the letter that you will help the school get *some* of the equipment and make it useful for them to use. I had a case where Ontario Paper had not approved a piece of equipment for disposal yet. (a REAL old 1950's mini). After receiving the letter they released the mini to the school and asked me to take everything else in case I could make it run for other schools. Bottom line is if you get on the bidder list with the asset disposal people then you should never lose a system unless you are bidding too low. Companies do not care about "rescuing"..... >All of it goes in >containers to scrappers. They have a room with three 11/44's, TC11's on >each and several TU55's. I was unable to get any cooperation in rescuing >any of it when the room gets emptied. > >I watched as a box with 100+ UNIBUS boards was loaded onto a forklift, core >boards on top. It all went to the melter. > >They are a large company with inflexible large company policied. I have no >pity for Lucent. > >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >

26 years, 4 months

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What's an RX01 drive worth to a commercial user?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > >Well... reasonable cuts both ways. Perhaps I should have said, "I want to > >gouge them, but not so much they buy one from someone else... how bad can > >I make it hurt?" Is that better? ;-) > > > > I wonder if they will make YOU *hurt* when they go to get rid of the > equipment they have. I used to work there. I *can't* get the cool stuff out. All of it goes in containers to scrappers. They have a room with three 11/44's, TC11's on each and several TU55's. I was unable to get any cooperation in rescuing any of it when the room gets emptied. I watched as a box with 100+ UNIBUS boards was loaded onto a forklift, core boards on top. It all went to the melter. They are a large company with inflexible large company policied. I have no pity for Lucent. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Buck Savage?

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Hey gang, I need to contact William Buckley, AKA Buck Savage, but email bounces from the last known address I have on file. Has anyone heard of him recently and could get me in touch with him? Thanks for your help! Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/

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Ongoing excavations - PDP-8/e

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > The maintenance manuals I have don't cover the RX8e (or any floppy > drives). I have the RX01 maintenance manuals as well, which are also > pretty good. But most of the the time I rely on the printset. I do have RX01 and RX02 docs as well. > Incidentally, last time I had an RX01 problem, I stuck a KM11 diagnostic > card in the drive controller, and set it to halt on error. Didn't take > long to figure out what was going on then. I'd _love_ to have a KM11 card. > > I still haven't heard anyone cough up any info on the PR/S01 tape > > reader. Worst case, I'll stick a scope on it and time the > > start/stop bits to guess the baud rate. > Open up the tape reader (sorry, I don't have one, and I don't have the > docs). Is there a standard 40 pin UART in there (very likely to be). No 40-pin parts. All 14/16 pins. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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looking for punch cards

by ken_g＠MailAndNews.com

Does anyone know where I can buy some of the old IBM Hollerith 80 column punch cards? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Ken Guenther ken_g(a)mailandnews.com

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What's an RX01 drive worth to a commercial user?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- allisonp(a)world.std.com wrote: > > What traffic will support. I'd go for $100 <minimum>. My research reveals that the going rate is $250 - $300 from a reseller. > FYI the old one is very likely just a dirty head or missing pressure pad if > it's not a power problem. They have already diagnosed the problem to a transistor on the upper board (you know, the ones that heat up enough to discolor the circuit board). I guess they just don't want to mess with the problem. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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HELP! ( totally OT) - Hitachi Monitor problem

by edick＠idcomm.com

Hopefully someone will know about this . . . I've got this really "comfortable" 20" monitor (Hitachi CM2085) which developed a rapidly fluctuating left and right margin, which apparently is related to its pincushion controls in some way. Not being in any sense expert in repairing monitors, I fooled around with the various accessible controls, (after removing the plastic outer shell) such as "side-pin" among others, and managed to get the horizontal line length to remain relatively stabile, though the screen now has a huge pincushion distortion, which I can make go away somewhat, but when it's gone, the rapid left/right margin fluctuation comes back, though somewhat differently than before. Is anyone familiar enough with this monitor or with monitors of this type to make any kind of suggestion which might help alleviate this problem? thanx Dick

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NorthStar FDC

by edick＠idcomm.com

I got a question the other day, and it was one about which I have no clue. A friend glommed onto an IMSAI box with a North Star disk subsystem, the FDC for which is a model MDS-A4. He wants to know about whether it is capable of handling 8" drives. I didn't think to ask whether it had a 50-pin cable header on it. That would have been too easy. My recollection is that NorthStar systems had a hard-sectored 5-1/4" drive, usually from Micropolis, attached, and that one was pretty dense, but wouldn't do CP/M-standard (IBM-3740 SSSD) diskettes. Is that the case with this controller? Dick

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What's an RX01 drive worth to a commercial user?

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 1:21 PM Subject: Re: What's an RX01 drive worth to a commercial user? > > >--- Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> wrote: >> >I just got a call from a place I used to work (Lucent). They have a bad >> >RX01 drive and want to buy a replacement. >> >> Why would you want to charge Lucent a "reasonable" price? ;) > >Well... reasonable cuts both ways. Perhaps I should have said, "I want to >gouge them, but not so much they buy one from someone else... how bad can >I make it hurt?" Is that better? ;-) > I wonder if they will make YOU *hurt* when they go to get rid of the equipment they have. I have always dealt with people and companies in a very reasonable manner not to gouge or hurt them as good sales to a company in need has usually brought excellent returns. As for individuals, nothing can yield more vintage systems than not gouging or taking advatnage of a person in need. I am still getting MANY offers to purchase transistors computers today because I chose not to gouge these same factories/companies in the past. I have put many systems in schools (never museums) even up to some recent donations which included a Singer mini from the 50's with acoustic memory -- in return I have received 1130 stuff (which I scrapped for $$) and many other mini parts. Companies and people will only treat you as well as you have treated them... john >> I would call a few of the legacy support outfits, then cut their price by >> whatever percent feels right to you. > >In progress. I've sent several mails out to various places I do business >with. I don't have phone numbers handy. > >> You're not exactly doing a "small" service for them either. > >Very much true. I did mention that installation would be available for >an hourly rate. > >-ethan > > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >

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What's an RX01 drive worth to a commercial user?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I just got a call from a place I used to work (Lucent). They have a bad RX01 drive and want to buy a replacement. I have more than one, and I can get their bad one as part of the deal. The problem is what to charge? I have absolutely no idea what a reasonable price is to deliver a working drive and haul away the broken one. Any suggestions? -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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What's an RX01 drive worth to a commercial user?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> wrote: > >I just got a call from a place I used to work (Lucent). They have a bad > >RX01 drive and want to buy a replacement. > > Why would you want to charge Lucent a "reasonable" price? ;) Well... reasonable cuts both ways. Perhaps I should have said, "I want to gouge them, but not so much they buy one from someone else... how bad can I make it hurt?" Is that better? ;-) > I would call a few of the legacy support outfits, then cut their price by > whatever percent feels right to you. In progress. I've sent several mails out to various places I do business with. I don't have phone numbers handy. > You're not exactly doing a "small" service for them either. Very much true. I did mention that installation would be available for an hourly rate. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Totally OT: Netgear Hubs and Switches

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote: > I've got three of their FA310 adapters and a 4-port FE104 hub for my 100BTx > segment. It's cheap, though there are cheaper ones, and the adapters work > at both 10 and 100 Mb rates. The hub does not handle both speeds, though... > > ...I've been satisfied with this hardware... > If you can justify it, a switching hub, capable of full duplex would perhaps > be nicer, since you then don't have to string two hubs where one will do. I have other brands of NICs but a 100% NetGear infrastructure... an EN108, 8-port 10BaseT hub with 10Base2/AUI port on the back (only one works at a time); an FE104, 100BaseT hub (currently not in use); and an FS108, 10/100 switch. *That's* the one you want. It should be available for under $200. It supports full duplex either by negotiation (for newer stuff) or by force via configuration switches (for older stuff). All of this stuff is tiny with external wall warts. I like their stuff a lot. If you don't want a big 10/100 switch, there is also a FS102 and FS104, two and four port switch, respectively. I recommend switches over autosensing hubs. They tend to pack more buffer RAM and allow independent collision domains, permitting better network utilization under higher loads. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Totally OT: Netgear Hubs and Switches

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, another networking question since while mostly off topic (the only part about it that is on, is the computers on the network) this list seems to have a high level of networking knowledge. Anyone around here familiar with Netgear hardware? I've got one of thier 4-port 10BaseT hubs, and the main things I like about it are the size, and the lack of noise. Since it doesn't have a fan it's quiet. On the other hand my Linksys hub is noisier than anything but the StorageWorks on my VMS cluster. I swear the hub is even noisier than my PDP-11/73 in a BA123!!! My thoughts are to put the Linksys hub in the garage, and get a quiet hub for in the house. I'm currently debating either a 8-port 10/100 Switch or Hub, and leaning towards the switch which looks to be about $100 more. I think I almost forgot my point :^) Do the Netgear 8-port 10/100 Switches and Hubs have fans in them? I kind of doubt that the slimline ones have one. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables

by edick＠idcomm.com

The adapters are a good solution for habitual scroungers, since they come cheap, but dual speed hubs solve the problem handsomely. They use the signaling voltage to distinguish between the standard and fast ethernet connections and happily route to both connection types. Unfortunately that may have some drawbacks, e.g. now your unified segment ( the dual speed hub does that ) operates at either speed, but at an aggregate rate equivalent to the slower. I use separate segments for the fast and standard ethernets, though I have a single segment consisting of standard ethernet on RG58 and twisted pair via a hub which is attached through one of those little AUI<=>coax adapters. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Daniel T. Burrows <danburrows(a)mindspring.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables >> >>I don't think there are any 10/100BaseT Hubs that have a 10Base2 connection >>on them though, and the 10Base2-to-10BaseT adapters cost about $100-200. > > >Easier and cheaper for most of what you have use AUI to 10BaseT transceivers. >They are only $20 to $25 tops these days new. > >Dan >

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Totally OT: Netgear Hubs and Switches

by edick＠idcomm.com

I've got three of their FA310 adapters and a 4-port FE104 hub for my 100BTx segment. It's cheap, though there are cheaper ones, and the adapters work at both 10 and 100 Mb rates. The hub does not handle both speeds, though, and it does not do full duplex. I don't think the adapters do full duplex either. I've been satisfied with this hardware, since it was cheap a couple of years ago when I got it (boards were under $40 and hub was $175. It's true, the hub is really small (abut 1/10 the size of my Thomas Conrad hub) but it does require externally transformed power. If you can justify it, a switching hub, capable of full duplex would perhaps be nicer, since you then don't have to string two hubs where one will do. It really does depend on the size of your LAN, though. A switching hub enables you to unify your setup onto a single logical segment so, unlike my setup, you only need one adapter in each box. I have two in the server, one for fast ethernet, and one for standard. When I started out, I had 15 stations, 1 Netware server, 3 boxes running Win/DOS, Win9x,NT, (interchangeably) and 11 running versions of *nix. I've eliminated all the *nix boxes and replaced them with a single one running NT or whatever is on the interchangeable drive. It's been 2-3 months since the last time I booted one of the *nix setups. With them out of the picture, the LAN is much more manageable. The only problem is finding a TCP/IP handler for DOS that isn't bigger than the NETWARE shell. If it's 500 bytes bigger, my essential DOS applications don't work for lack of low memory. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 11:35 PM Subject: Totally OT: Netgear Hubs and Switches >OK, another networking question since while mostly off topic (the only part >about it that is on, is the computers on the network) this list seems to >have a high level of networking knowledge. > >Anyone around here familiar with Netgear hardware? I've got one of thier >4-port 10BaseT hubs, and the main things I like about it are the size, and >the lack of noise. Since it doesn't have a fan it's quiet. On the other >hand my Linksys hub is noisier than anything but the StorageWorks on my VMS >cluster. I swear the hub is even noisier than my PDP-11/73 in a BA123!!! > >My thoughts are to put the Linksys hub in the garage, and get a quiet hub >for in the house. I'm currently debating either a 8-port 10/100 Switch or >Hub, and leaning towards the switch which looks to be about $100 more. > >I think I almost forgot my point :^) Do the Netgear 8-port 10/100 Switches >and Hubs have fans in them? I kind of doubt that the slimline ones have >one. > > Zane >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| and Zane's Computer Museum. | >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables

by edick＠idcomm.com

I'll reaffirm that! My 10BT LJ3 is attached to my NETWARE lan via coax and the rest of the LAN uses 100BTx or coax. The 10BT is provided by a HUB connected to the coax segment via one of those little AUI <=> coax adapters. These slightly larger than a small matchbox devices are often just lying on the ground or in a junk box at your local computer-junk-dealers' place It's often cheaper to offer $5 for a box of stuff containing one or more of these plus a bunch of stuff you probably won't need than to pick it out and offer to buy just the adapter. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Daniel T. Burrows <danburrows(a)mindspring.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables >> >>I don't think there are any 10/100BaseT Hubs that have a 10Base2 connection >>on them though, and the 10Base2-to-10BaseT adapters cost about $100-200. > > >Easier and cheaper for most of what you have use AUI to 10BaseT transceivers. >They are only $20 to $25 tops these days new. > >Dan >

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Original Macintosh

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Brian Kane has an original Mac with many accessories (carrying bag, modem) that he's interested in selling. Please contact him directly. Reply-to: DREXELINT(a)aol.com Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. VCF East? VCF Europe!? YOU BETCHA!! Stay tuned for more information or contact me to find out how you can participate http://www.vintage.org

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Fwd: SGI Challenge XL for sale in the UK

by jfoust＠threedee.com

>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:20:45 +0100 >From: "Andy Booth" <andy(a)mirai.net> >To: <jfoust(a)threedee.com> >Subject: SGI Challenge XL for sale > >Hi > Thought you may be interested in this (or know someone who is :) ). > >Located in the UK, specification: > >16 150 MHZ IP19 (MIPS R4400) processors >2.0 GB System disk >Main memory 1025 MB 4-way interleaved >8 4.3GB disk drives >3 1.2GB disk drives >QIC 150MB 1/4 inch Tape drive >CDROM > >Powerstor Unit containing >9 2.4GB Disk drives >2 1.2GB disk drives >4 8mm Exabyte Tape drives (each 5GB) >1/2 " HP tape drive > >The hinv reads: > >16 150 MHZ IP19 Processors >CPU: MIPS R4400 Processor Chip Revision: 5.0 >FPU: MIPS R4000 Floating Point Coprocessor Revision: 0.0 >Data cache size: 16 Kbytes >Instruction cache size: 16 Kbytes >Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte >Main memory size: 1024 Mbytes, 4-way interleaved >I/O board, Ebus slot 15: IO4 revision 1 >Integral EPC serial ports: 4 >Interphase 4210 VME-SCSI controller 0: Firmware revision A05 >Disk drive: unit 14 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 13 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 12 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 11 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 10 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 9 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 8 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Tape drive: unit 6 on VME-SCSI controller 0: 9 track >Disk drive: unit 5 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 4 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 3 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 2 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 1 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 0 on VME-SCSI controller 0 >Interphase 4210 VME-SCSI controller 1: Firmware revision A05 >Tape drive: unit 11 on VME-SCSI controller 1: 8mm(8500) cartridge >Tape drive: unit 10 on VME-SCSI controller 1: 8mm(8500) cartridge >Tape drive: unit 9 on VME-SCSI controller 1: 8mm(8500) cartridge >Tape drive: unit 8 on VME-SCSI controller 1: 8mm(8500) cartridge >Disk drive: unit 6 on VME-SCSI controller 1 >Disk drive: unit 5 on VME-SCSI controller 1 >Disk drive: unit 4 on VME-SCSI controller 1 >Disk drive: unit 3 on VME-SCSI controller 1 >Disk drive: unit 2 on VME-SCSI controller 1 >Disk drive: unit 1 on VME-SCSI controller 1 >Disk drive: unit 0 on VME-SCSI controller 1 >Integral Ethernet controller: et0, Ebus slot 15 >EPC external interrupts >Integral SCSI controller 1: Version WD33C95A, differential, revision 0 >Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C95A, single ended, revision 0 >CDROM: unit 6 on SCSI controller 0 >Tape drive: unit 5 on SCSI controller 0: QIC 150 >Disk drive: unit 3 on SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 0 >Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 >Integral SCSI controller 4: Version SCIP/WD33C95A >Integral SCSI controller 3: Version SCIP/WD33C95A >Disk drive: unit 11 on SCSI controller 3 >Disk drive: unit 10 on SCSI controller 3 >Disk drive: unit 9 on SCSI controller 3 >Disk drive: unit 8 on SCSI controller 3 >Integral SCSI controller 2: Version SCIP/WD33C95A >Disk drive: unit 7 on SCSI controller 2 >Disk drive: unit 6 on SCSI controller 2 >Disk drive: unit 5 on SCSI controller 2 >Disk drive: unit 4 on SCSI controller 2 >CC synchronization join counter >Integral EPC parallel port: Ebus slot 15 >VME bus: adapter 0 mapped to adapter 61 >VME bus: adapter 61 > >IRIX 5.3 and Networker 4.0 > >Price: Open to offers! > >Cheers >Andy Booth >andy(a)mirai.net

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Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables (Stupid Question)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

I have done substantial work with 10BaseT and running a network over "phone cable" is not a good idea. It is called "twisted pair" for a reason. We got some garbage uncertified network cables once that caused a whole bunch of problems. Flat phone wire cable is not the way to go [it might work for you]. john -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 2:26 PM Subject: RE: Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables (Stupid Question) >OK, I was pointed at http://www.linksys.com looks like they've got some >good info. However, I just noticed something that has me wondering, looks >like CAT5 only has 4 real wires made out of the 8 wires. > >So... Is it possible to run at least 10BaseT over normal phoneline cable? >It just happens that a totally unused phoneline was run a couple years ago >at the same time I had a work phone put in. > >Yes, I want to be lazy if possible. I'm assuming that if it is possible I >can make a RJ11-to-RJ45 adapter and plug one end into a hub in the house, >the other end into a hub in the garage. > > Zane >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | >| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | >| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| and Zane's Computer Museum. | >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | >

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Free Arcserve Parts (Was: Re: Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Lance Costanzo <lance(a)costanzo.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Free Arcserve Parts (Was: Re: Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables) >At 05:58 PM 10/27/99 -0400, you wrote: >>It was thus said that the Great Lance Costanzo once stated: >>> >>> This talk of 10b2 reminded me of something. >>> I've got an arcserve hub, some cables (laying in my driveway), >>> and about a 1/2 dozen arcserve cards in some old 5150's. >>> I have absolutely no use or software for them. >>> Free for the shipping (from California). >> >> Is this the same as Arcnet? I would like to get my Tandy6000s networked >>up and I know you can get Arcnet cards, although I've heard that the >>interoperability between them and PC based arcnet cards leaves something to >>be desired. >My faw-paw. >Yes, it is Arcnet. Arcserve is the backup software by Cheyenne. >first hit out of altavista searching on arcnet: >http://www.blackbox.nl/techweb/lan/arcnet/arcnet.htm >>ARCnet is a Token Passing Bus, much but not exactly like IEEE802.4. It was >originally developed by Datapoint Corporation EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEE DATAPOINT!!!!!!!!! EEEEEEEEE The legislature was filled with that , that, that , that ^&*@#^& until 1989. Datapoint had NO security. You could put a NEW printer on the network and name it the SAME as another printer already there (Xerox 4040s I think!??!?!) and EVERY job would be printed on your new printer as well as the old one and NO ONE would know. and those 345 MB drives........................................................ john >>in 1977 as a hard disk interface but later used for LAN. DataPoint, >Standard Microsystems Corporation (SMC) and Pure >>Data are (were) the main players in the field. > >Lance Costanzo Advant, Inc. 1-800-824-8418 >lance(a)advantinc.com Support Solutions for HP Systems > http://www.advantinc.com >

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Structural Damage Question

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Wednesday, October 27, 1999 9:38 AM, Mike Ford [SMTP:mikeford@socal.rr.com] wrote: > >I live in a 29 story building. I have 2000 pounds of racks with CPUs in my > >"lab" (a room 20' X 20'). I am going to move in another 2-3 thousand pounds > >of minis as I am going through my storage and moving them up here. I am also > >picking up more minis from a plant in the US. I am placing the mini racks > >along the walls in the hope that there is more support there. A real serious > >question I have is... Can a room in a building like this support 5000 pounds > >or more? If someone here has experience with this please tell me if this is > >okay. Buildings are designed to withstand both "live" and "dead" loads. A "live" load is one where the load is not constant or is moving. IE: people, wind, etc... A "dead" load is a load that is constant or does not move. IE: the structure itself. Although local building codes dictate what loads the building must support, they are usually pretty consistent. I did a search and found the following reference: According to the 1991 standard building code: Occupancy or Use Live Load (psf) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Libraries: Reading rooms 60 Stack rooms (books and shelving) 125 Corridors, above first floor 80 Residential: Multifamily houses; Private apartments 40 Public rooms 100 Corridors 80 Dwellings: Sleeping rooms 30 Attics with storage 30 Attics without storage 10 All other rooms 40 So, for a 20' X 20' room in your building the allowable load should be: 20 x 20 X 40(psf) = 16,000 lbs. If one of your neighbors has a large book collection, they may be putting a greater load on the building than you are... :-) Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables

by danburrows＠mindspring.com

> >I don't think there are any 10/100BaseT Hubs that have a 10Base2 connection >on them though, and the 10Base2-to-10BaseT adapters cost about $100-200. Easier and cheaper for most of what you have use AUI to 10BaseT transceivers. They are only $20 to $25 tops these days new. Dan

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Free Arcserve Parts (Was: Re: Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables)

by lance＠costanzo.net

This talk of 10b2 reminded me of something. I've got an arcserve hub, some cables (laying in my driveway), and about a 1/2 dozen arcserve cards in some old 5150's. I have absolutely no use or software for them. Free for the shipping (from California). Lance. Lance Costanzo Advant, Inc. 1-800-824-8418 lance(a)advantinc.com Support Solutions for HP Systems http://www.advantinc.com

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Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Does anyone know of any sources of info on the net anywhere on running a >network between various rooms in a house? As an authoratitive reference on the subject, I *highly* recommend the Three Stooges' _A Plumbing We Will Go_. Shortly after moving to Canada I was very confused when my electric bill was called the "Hydro bill", but Larry, Moe, and Curly cleared this all up for me. Tim.

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HP21MX's...

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

I think I have a line on a company that is getting ready to decommission about 20 currently in-service HP 21MX systems in the central US. If this pans out, is anyone interested (they'd be free except shipping costs)? I sure as heck wouldn't need them all.....but then again <grin> I'll keep the list posted... Jay West

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Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Seriously, 10baseT has advantages. Particularly that a luser can't bring >a segment down by taking the wrong plug off the T-piece. Or plugging the network T straight into the "Video Out" BNC jack on the back of their VT100. Been there, seen it happen! >But for home hacking, 10base2 has the advantage that you don't need a hub >(yes, they're cheap, but it's one more thing to find power for, and it's >one more thing to fail and need repairs). You can easily add another >machine. And IMHO BNC plugs are easier to fit than RJ45s particularly >when working behind a rack. Certainly for you and me, Tony, and probably for anyone else involved in non-computer laboratory electronics, 52 ohm coax with BNC's on each end are *all over* the place! >It's up to you. Personnally, I run a mixture -- 10base2 around the main >machines, and a 10baseT hub (with a BNC on it) for a couple of 'remote' >machines. At the moment, I've got 10Base2 connecting two machines on the second floor, running down along the chimney to the basement, where it joins a twisted pair hub, runs off to a half-dozen machines and terminal servers down here.

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 4:58 PM Subject: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530 >> >I can perhaps help with the 'lure'. For me, speed is not that important >> >(provided it's fast enough for _what I want to do_). What is important is >> >having a reliable machine that I can understand, repair, and keep going. >> >And I find it a _lot_ easier to keep a PDP11 or an old VAX running than >> >to keep a PC running. >> >> Yikesl I eliminated our Vax for PCs years ago and have never had any >> problems! Vax was a "breakdown" nightmare... slower than NT for filesharing > >Strange... My minicomputers (admittedly a lot older than the VAX you were >probably running) seem to be reliable. I've had a lot more PC problems to >sort out (despite having fewer PCs than minis). > >With minicomputers, I understand them well enough to _really_ find the >fault and then fix it. That means it stays fixed. With PCs, most people >swap a card or something and the fault goes away, only to come back a >week or a month later (This is not an exaggeration. I've had faults that >disapear for a week if you do _anything_ to the machine. But they sure as >heck do come back. Normally they're a dry joint _somewhere_). I don't >beleive a machine is fixed unless I can demonstrate what caused the fault >(i.e. the bad component, dry joint, etc) and explain why it did what it >did. Only then do I know the problem won't come back. And it doesn't! > We don't have that. I standardized our hardware and no one is allowed to add anything to their computer. For the price of PC... if I find REAL lemon (constant problems) then I will throw it in the garbage. Most problems are quickly dealt with (I am not tech support - I am the Director of Research and Development) > >> and DEC couldn't get "AppleTalk" right either. We found MAC IIs much faster >> even. (I toasted all the MACs in '96). >> >> Vax - Costly mother, boards expensive, service/software/license costs > >[...] > >> >Strange. I find the older machines are lot easier to understand than the >> >more modern ones. And _much_ better documented. >> > >> >> Thats not strange. Old systems USUALLY had parts and boards from a limited >> number of vendors, heavily tested... How many garages are knocking out video > >These 2 comments (the one above the deletion and this one) make me think >that you only regard computers down to the board level. I don't. I go >down to _at least_ the gate level and sometimes beyond. > On fun time - sure... or If a hard drive has serious data on it that was NOT backed up by a user/MPP then I WILL take a whole day to go through the drive and save the data.... but I sure won't waste the taxpayers dollars pissing around with a schematic when I am supposed to be designing/managing a project which makes us cost effective. There is no advantage to any employer to have a skilled engineer fixing old broken stuff when he could be making a company profit through designs. >What this means is, when I have a fault I don't start looking for a new >board. I put the appropriate module on the extender, probe a bit with a >LogicDart and find the dead chip. And change it. And I'll probably have >it fixed before you've ordered a new board. And I'll almost certainly I doubt that very much. We have every possible board/drive in stock in many quantities for our entire line of PCs. If a unit goes down it's up very quickly or replaced. Many companies are tossing VAXes as they cannot afford to have a good chunk of the company down while someone is "probing" a board. That was cool in the 70s but we have reached a point where it is unacceptable to have anyone off-line for very long (much less an entire area). I can't even begin to tell you the number of companies I have helped toss their Vax junk for an NT/Novell set up. >have it fixed before the new board has arrived. > I do REPAIR AT THE GATE LEVEL here at home, on bad HDs on sites I support (through consulting on the side) and in rebuilding old minis for collectors for cash (a PDP 11/05 at the gate level last month, 8/s at the transistor level this month). Again, for fun. I spend some of my time at work designing at the gate level, I wouldn't waste a minute opening a bad monitor... john >-tony >

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Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 01:38 PM 10/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >> Pick a centralized location for your hub, and home-run all the wires there. > >Probably should make one thing clear here, as long as it's just the one room >and the garage, I plan on simply running one cable and connecting a hub in >the house to a hub in the garage. Well heck, why didn't you say so! We thought you wanted to do a complete bow to stern wiring project. Since you mentioned you wanted to do this the easiest way possible, get a 50' or 100' patch cord, and connect an MDI (uplink) port on one of your hubs to a MDIX (regular) on the other. If you don't have an MDI port, then you have a couple of options: 1) If one of your hubs has an AUI port (db15, like a PC game port), just get a transceiver. 2) Make the patch cord into a crossover by cutting off one end and putting on a new plug with a different wire order. Lance Costanzo Advant, Inc. 1-800-824-8418 lance(a)advantinc.com Support Solutions for HP Systems http://www.advantinc.com

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Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables

by danburrows＠mindspring.com

>>Probably should make one thing clear here, as long as it's just the one room >>and the garage, I plan on simply running one cable and connecting a hub in >>the house to a hub in the garage. > >It's fallen a bit out of fashion in the past few years, but 10Base2 >(50-ohm RG58 Coax) is particularly useful for the "home runs" between >twisted-pair hubs. Many twisted-pair hubs come with Coax connectors for >just this purpose. That is exactly what I do between the office and house. Between buildings is a little over 300 feet so by the time it goes to the hubs at each end it is easily 400+ feet. From what I recall that is a little over what the 10BaseT spec was. Considering you have your systems clustered and some are at 100BaseT I would not even consider using the old phone wire between the hubs. I agree it is a PITA to pull wire - I had a 4 inch conduit for over a year between the house and the office before I got around to pulling the thinwire through. Dan

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Ongoing excavations - PDP-8/e

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Well done!. The 8/e is a machine that I like -- it's pretty easy to > understand, and an elegant instruction set... My first -8 was an -8/L. I still have it, but it currently needs more help than the -8/e. It does not have correct behavior of the front panel switches and I haven't had time to start module testing. > > ...I currently have the chassis and PSU sitting side by side on the table > > leaving me enough room for a hex-height 16K MOS card to hang over > > the side of the OMNIBUS. > > ROFL! Sounds like the sort of thing that I do :-). 'What do you mean this > configuration is not supported by Digital? It works, doesn't it' :-) It seems to work just fine, and I made a point of mentioning it for Lawrence LeMay who has an -8/e and an RL8A. The same arrangement should work for him to get it all working together without having to aquire a hex-height expansion box and OMNIBUS cables. > If you need any help, I have an RX8e + RX01 on my PDP8/e. I also have the > full prints for everything... So feel free to ask questions. I have the bound -8/e maintenance doc set, so I think I'm OK there. For now, just getting through either an OS boot or diagnostics will be the hurdle. I still haven't heard anyone cough up any info on the PR/S01 tape reader. Worst case, I'll stick a scope on it and time the start/stop bits to guess the baud rate. ISTR 2400, but I have never used this particular device. Thanks again, -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 3:15 PM Subject: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530 >> >> Gee, as much as folks like to pidgen-hole me, I'm really only trying to >> understand the performance and lure of the old iron, like vaxes, in > >I can perhaps help with the 'lure'. For me, speed is not that important >(provided it's fast enough for _what I want to do_). What is important is >having a reliable machine that I can understand, repair, and keep going. >And I find it a _lot_ easier to keep a PDP11 or an old VAX running than >to keep a PC running. Yikesl I eliminated our Vax for PCs years ago and have never had any problems! Vax was a "breakdown" nightmare... slower than NT for filesharing and DEC couldn't get "appletalk" right either. We found MAC IIs much faster even. (I toasted all the MACs in '96). Vax - Costly mother, boards expensive, service/software/license costs rediculous. Brutal learning curve for new system support employees (not everyone has a Vax at home), and of course Digitals "Unlimited Training" for a year at $5000/employee! X-Windows? Yuck.The only thing I liked was RDB (wonder WHO bought that?!??! :-) ). Foxpro was still faster. I jumped in like many other large companies and quickly junked our mainframes/minis for PCs. > >> relation to newer iron that I have or can use, and also understand better. > >Strange. I find the older machines are lot easier to understand than the >more modern ones. And _much_ better documented. > Thats not strange. Old systems USUALLY had parts and boards from a limited number of vendors, heavily tested... How many garages are knocking out video cards today!?!??!?! Old systems were easy to maintain for large sites, get a million dollars from Finance and send it to DEC! It isn't so easy now... but much easier for the end user. >> This is, unfortunatly, gobbdleygook to me. "multiples of them for parallelism"? >> Why would this be necessary? Why can't one fast one be used? > >There are good electronic reasons why you can't switch bus lines as fast >as you would like (just try sending 64 1GHz signals down a bus and >expecting them (a) not to get skewed wrt each other, (b) not to couple to >everything else in sight, and (c) not to be an EMC nightmare). > >Yes, improvements in bus design and driver/receiver technology has >allowed us to produce faster buses. But there are still limits. And then >you start using _several_ independant buses. > >-tony >

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Semi-OT: Running CAT5 Cables

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 10:41 AM 10/27/99 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know of any sources of info on the net anywhere on running a >network between various rooms in a house? I'm wanting to run a line >capable of handling 100BaseT from the house out to the garage, and probably >a couple other rooms in the house. It is past time to move most of the VMS >cluster out to the Garage, and tie in the parts already out there :^) Depends on how neat you want it :) Your (fill-in-blank,i.e wifey) probably won't like the exposed wire-in-the-hallway look, so I'd recommend putting them in the walls, or using paintable on-wall wiring conduit and boxes in the room corners. Pick a centralized location for your hub, and home-run all the wires there. Physically running network cable ain't no different than running phone wire, you're gonna get dirty in the attic or the crawlspace. For in-wall work, knowledge of how your house is built, a stud finder, battery powered drill, and an electricians fish tape will speed the installation process. Avoid outside walls with insulation in them. My personal common sense preference is to not have sharp right angle bends turning corners, and don't run the wires parallel with electrical cables. Since wire is cheap, you might consider running multiple cables to each outlet. Don't direct terminate with a RJ45 plug - its not worth the hassle and your cable always ends up short. Use jacks and outlet boxes/plates. In the past, I've used both Panduit no-tools jacks and 110 punchdown. The Panduit is definitely faster and easier. Lance. Lance Costanzo Advant, Inc. 1-800-824-8418 lance(a)advantinc.com Support Solutions for HP Systems http://www.advantinc.com

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Structural Damage Question

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

I live in a 29 story building. I have 2000 pounds of racks with CPUs in my "lab" (a room 20' X 20'). I am going to move in another 2-3 thousand pounds of minis as I am going through my storage and moving them up here. I am also picking up more minis from a plant in the US. I am placing the mini racks along the walls in the hope that there is more support there. A real serious question I have is... Can a room in a building like this support 5000 pounds or more? If someone here has experience with this please tell me if this is okay. A few years ago a rack of TE16s broke through a wooden basement floor once (where I was storing some minis) and cracked a sewer line [ yes , what a mess!]. john

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(fwd) vt180 boot disk,manual and floppy cable needed (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

I have already contacted the writer about disks, but can anyone help her on the cable and other information? - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Path: thoth.cts.com!mercury.cts.com!news.he.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!mdalene From: mdalene(a)pinkrose.ctol.net (B'ichela) Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm,comp.terminals Subject: vt180 boot disk,manual and floppy cable needed Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:31:45 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <slrn81af61.apc.mdalene(a)pinkrose.ctol.net> Reply-To: mdalene(a)home.ctol.net Summary: Need manual, floppy boot, and floppy cable for vt180 Keywords: vt180, floppy cable, bootdisk, manual X-Complaints-To: newsabuse(a)supernews.com User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (UNIX) Xref: thoth.cts.com comp.os.cpm:2790 comp.terminals:1308 I found a Vt180 a few weeks ago at a "good will" in Willimantic called "Windham Interfaith Ministry" or WAIM. as I originally said I got it to work as a terminal. What I need is a floppy boot disk for the vt180 and the floppy cable (DB25 to DB37). I have the Vt180 floppy drive but no cable. I also need to know how to configure the printer port for my serial printers. There is no setup C screen on the setup screens. I tried all of what I felt was reasonable including the setup A/B button, P, C in addition to p and c as well as shifted Setup A/B and Setup. Related to this, does anyone got a manual for the Vt180? I would like to know how to use this with CP/M or whatever OS it uses. I also need to refine the setup B screen configuration for best results with my linux system. This Vt180 has a mild screen allignment problem where a service manual would be a help for addjusting the video screen. It seems that the top line of the screen is Bigger than the bottom line of text. both lines ae fully on the screen, its clearly a cosmetic concern. If you have this info. please email me at mdalene(a)ctol.net or post your response here. I will post my address here also for anyone who just wants to stuff a few manuals/disks via postal Michele Marie Dalene (B'ichela) 18 Carey Hill Alley, Apt 3A Willimantic, Ct 06226 -- A pearl of wisdom from the y2K newsgroups: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Y2K appears to be the Baby Boomers mid-life crisis, and it has the potential to be a dandy. -- Anonymnous -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- B'ichela -- end of forwarded message --

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Ongoing excavations - PDP-8/e

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

Thanks for the tip on the jumpers on the back of the PSU, Tony. I have manufactured a replacement and after reseating the boards, I appear to have a working PDP-8/e CPU once more. I have misplaced a box of parts (go figure) so am missing the bulk of my over-the-top jumpers, so the core testing will have to wait for another day, but I currently have the chassis and PSU sitting side by side on the table (the base from a scrapped RM02), leaving me enough room for a hex-height 16K MOS card to hang over the side of the OMNIBUS. Preliminary testing shows that all is well. I can store and retrieve numbers from the MOS memory, enter run state, single step and halt. All the bulbs appear live. I am only missing the knob off the front panel so I have to guess what mode the bottom row of lights is in. Next step - RX8E and try to boot OS/8. Failing that, back to the papertapes. On _that_ note... one of the other goodies I unearthed this weekend is a portable papertape reader used by DEC FS when diags still came on tape but customers had moved on to VT52s... it's a PR/S01. I have zero docs on this thing and have no idea what baud rate it defaults to. It is a 20mA device with a male and female connector - one with 4 wires marked TERMINAL, the other with 6 wires marked READER. How to hook it up seems obvious (I need to unearth my box of 20mA cables). How to strap the TTY card less so. I do have diagnostic tapes; as soon as a friend of mine loans me his 20mA-to- RS-232 converter, I expect to back up four boxes of diags and utils (none of which I expect are unique in the world - it's lots of MAINDEC and DECUS stuff) I did attempt to place two different KK8A modules in the -8/e box in place of the KK8E. Toggling the Load Address switch only incremented the MA lights in either case. I do not know for certain if these particular boards are working, but what is the expected behavior for the combination of a PDP-8/a CPU and a PDP-8/e front panel? Is it supposed to work? I know you can stuff a KK8E in a hex-height OMNIBUS box. That was a supported configuration. Also, where can I get a diagram describing the function of the DIP switch on the KK8A? ISTR that only one or two switches have any beneficial effect, but it's been more than 10 years since I have had to change one and I forget what they do. Furthermore, is there a good page to reference for some trivial toggle-in programs for basic test/checkout? I can write a couple, but if there are some pre-done ones, I'd rather start there. The eventual goal of _this_ box is to pass all tests, then move on to repairing the TD8E/TU56 that came with it. When I used this box in college, it used to work. Between then and when they threw it out, the DECtape stopped working. I have boxes of tapes to go through/use/backup once it all works. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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(fwd) vt180 boot disk,manual and floppy cable needed (fwd)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> This Vt180 has a mild screen allignment problem where a service <> manual would be a help for addjusting the video screen. It seems that <> the top line of the screen is Bigger than the bottom line of text. <> both lines ae fully on the screen, its clearly a cosmetic concern. < <Isn't the video system very similar to that in the VT100 terminal? It _is_ a VT100 with AVO. the VT180 adda an extra card to run CP/M. Allison

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Did the list change?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

My thanks go out to all those who helped debug my problem with receiving messages from the list. It was a problem at my ISP, not the listproc. I own several domains, and they didn't reconfigure them properly after their DNS server died (without backup) a week or so ago. The problem was eventually solved when they granted me access to their mail administration software, and I found the problem and fixed it. :-) It was strange - for some reason, U-Wash and Yahoo would try to contact the secondary MX-record mail machine instead of my 'threedee.com' machine, and the secondary was misconfigured. I was still receiving the other 98% of my mail. Thanks again, I'm happily back on the list. - John

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Configuring a DEC Correspondent (LA-12)?

by sethm＠loomcom.com

Hi all, I recently picked up a DEC Correspondent LA-12 printing terminal. It looks like a little cousin of the DECwriter II, really. Apparently there were two models available, one with a 300 baud coupling modem, and one without. I got the one without. I'm trying to figure out how to configure the dang thing. There's a "Set Up" key which seems to act like a toggle for going into some sort of set-up mode, but I'm really just stabbing around in the dark. I've gotten it to print out its current configuration, but I can't figure out how to set new values! I'd like to use it as a console on my VAX, so I'll need to figure out how to do 9600 baud 8-N-1. Right now it's set up at 9600/1200 7-E-1 for some strange reason. Does anyone have documentation on this beast? The Universal Database (aka the Internet) has been of little use on this one, that I've found. -Seth -- "This is not something made up... this is taken from | Seth J. Morabito a secret 12th century alchemy manuscript. this is | sethm(a)loomcom.com the real thing!!!" -- An online auction (really!) | Perth ==> *

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Mike Cheponis may have mentioned these words: >p.s. Allison, just curious, are you a recovering DECaholic? ;-) Your ferver >for the old DEC stuff is amazing to me! Religion? It's fun to watch! Recovering? Recovering?!?!?!? Ya know, some of us just don't want to be cured, and some even feel that these wonderful machines (not *just* DEC's, but they're of course included... ;-) are the anti-venom to Micro$haft's deep, wounding fangs. Boy, you sure know how to cut to the quick, eh? As always, just MHO, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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(fwd) vt180 boot disk,manual and floppy cable needed (fwd)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I have already contacted the writer about disks, but can anyone help <her on the cable and other information? I can do a cable. Alignment is obvious once the cover is off and video board is visible. < Related to this, does anyone got a manual for the Vt180? I <would like to know how to use this with CP/M or whatever OS it uses. I have manuals but no way to copy an inch of bound paper. I gave away all the doc sets I did have. It only ran CPM. If you played with DOS it's close. < I also need to refine the setup B screen configuration for <best results with my linux system. That info should be under the keyboard like most VT100s. < This Vt180 has a mild screen allignment problem where a service <manual would be a help for addjusting the video screen. It seems that <the top line of the screen is Bigger than the bottom line of text. <both lines ae fully on the screen, its clearly a cosmetic concern. There is a screen alignment pattern (screen full of capital E)... I'd have to look up the escape sequence for it. < If you have this info. please email me at mdalene(a)ctol.net or <post your response here. I will post my address here also for anyone <who just wants to stuff a few manuals/disks via postal Wish I could on the docs. DISKS, I'd have to set up mine to make copies that will not happen for a while as I have a work project on the desk and an 11/23 in the middle of the room (dont ask). The cable I can do. Allison

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(fwd) vt180 boot disk,manual and floppy cable needed (fwd)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote: > > I have already contacted the writer about disks, but can anyone help > her on the cable and other information? > I found a Vt180 a few weeks ago... > (missing) ...the floppy cable (DB25 to DB37). Out of curiosity, is this the same cable as used with the DECMate I? Does anyone have the pinout for the DECMate I *dual* RX02-pair cable - DC37 to two DB25s? I only have one single DECMate I cable (and one DECMate I). I'd like to be able to add the second drive into the pedestal. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Still Looking for DEC Card Reader, CR11 or CM11

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi All: I'm still in the market for either of these DEC table top punched card readers. If you know of one that's available, please let me know via direct email. Thanks, Kevin --- Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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3rd MSCP disk controller?

by tih＠Norway.EU.net

Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)freegate.com> writes: > Anyone know the "default" CSR for the 3rd MSCP disk controller? (or > have the CONFIGURE command handy?) Well, yeah. Also, I've posted (a couple of times) my emulation of the SYSGEN CONFIGURE command, a small C program I call just sysgen. I don't have a copy here at the moment, but I can repost it from home. I'd be happy to see it (or something based on it) become a part of the standard NetBSD distribution, and integrated into the install kit for NetBSD/vax... It was re-engineered from the tables in the back of one of the VMS 5.2 manuals -- and I interestingly uncovered several small mistakes in those tables while doing it. :-) (My program agrees with the actual CONFIGURE output where the tables don't.) Anyway, the actual CSR and vector assignments generally depend on the total configuration of the system, but here's a simple run on a VAX, based on what you asked about: $ MCR SYSGEN SYSGEN> CONFIGURE DEVICE> UDA,3 DEVICE> ^Z Device: UDA Name: PUA CSR: 772150 Vector: 154 Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUB CSR: 760334* Vector: 300* Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUC CSR: 760340* Vector: 304* Support: yes SYSGEN> -tih -- Popularity is the hallmark of mediocrity. --Niles Crane, "Frasier"

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IBM 5155 Anyone have one?

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Yeah. The 5155 Is the one that I'm looking for - the sewing machine one. Although, if someone has a 5140 for a good (fairly low) price, I wouldn't mind getting one of those, too =) I also have some old stuff to trade, too, mostly desktop stuff. -->> -Jason <the GeNeRaL> ICQ#: 1730318 ( general-one(a)home.com ) < http://members.tripod.com/general_1 > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, October 24, 1999 9:09 AM Subject: Re: IBM 5155 Anyone have one? >> >> >Hi! >> > >> >Does anyone have an IBM 5155 (I think I got the model right) Portable PC >> >that they would want to sell/trade something for? >> >> You mean a 5140? > >No, I think he means a 5155. > >The 5155 is a sewing-machine like case containing a PC/XT motherboard, 2 >half-height floppy drives + controller (hard disks were not officially >supported, but users did add them), a 9" mono monitor (linked to a CGA >card), a 114W (IIRC) PSU, and not a lot else. The keyboard (standard >PC/XT one in a different case) clipped over the screen/drives (== the >bottom of the machine when carrying it). > >Scheamtics, etc are in the PC/XT techref and the appropriate O&A Techrefs. > >-tony >

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Did the list change?

by ToddJ＠symresources.com

Hi, im sorry to say that I can't handle all this e-mail on my work e-mail account. Can anyone tell me how to unsubscribe and resubscribe? I did not bookmark the original web site address I was at when I first subscribed. Thanks. Todd -----Original Message----- From: John Foust [mailto:jfoust@threedee.com] Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:28 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Did the list change? I haven't received anything from this list in the last week or so. As far as I know, nothing changed on my end. I've tried to send 'subscribe' and 'which' commands to the listproc, but I get no response. Did something change at U-Wash? - John

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Ongoing excavations - PDP-11/20 bits

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

For those at home who have been following my relocation of stuff from the basement of my former boss, I have *located* the 11/20 chassis. It has some backplanes in it but no power supply. It is sitting on a BA-11 that looks suspiciously of the same era, but too far down in the stack to get at just yet. If so, then I have a CPU bay and two BA-11 expansion boxes, enough FLIP-CHIPs to probably reassemble the CPU, several sets of 4K MM11-E boards (at least one core plane is in the hands of a former cow-orker, now in Boston), two power supplies total, a diode-matrix boot board, several peripheral cards and plenty of modern stuff to make this thing boot. I do also happen to have the original 1970 PDP-11 handbook that came with it, but no prints. Does anyone have a module layout for the 11/20? BTW, since this has come up recently, from the handbook, page viii The PDP-11 is available in two versions -- PDP-11/0 and PDP- 11/20. The basic PDP-10 contains 1,024 words of read-only memory inconjuction with 128 words of read/write memory and the basic PDP-11/20 includes 4,096 words of read/write memory I take it that the -11/20 has an MM11-E backplane in the CPU box and that the -11/10 comes with an MR11-A braided core ROM unit and an MW11-A "Wordlet" core board. After this is entirely excavated, I would expect that I could use an additional H720 PSU, but since I have the specs (+5V @ 12A, -15V @ 10A, +8RMS (unreg) @ 1.5A, -22V (unreg) @ 1.0A) that I could fake it with modern equivalents. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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SD CAL computer museum

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Mike Ford wrote: > > > I spent the weekend in San Diego... > > ...One of the docs mentions a larger collection at one of the local > > colleges in La Mesa. Next time I will try to investigate it further. > > Coleman College, which does nothing but computer training. It is on a > frontage road on the north side of I-8 on the western outskirts of La > Mesa. I was there a year ago. It's got some interesting stuff including kits built to spec and overbuilt locals. They have one PDP-8/e and no accessories for it, as an example of somewhat common stuff they don't have in abundance. Worth the trip if you are in the area. It's an hour or two walkthrough at the most unless you find something you are *very* fond of staring at. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Quiz Time - update

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Okay... Before this degrades into a major thread of how badly AMF fubar'd Harley Davidson, I'm going to declare a winner as seen in the following: --- At 10:28 AM 10/26/1999 -0700, ss(a)allegro.com wrote: > >My guess: > > The "how to bowl this time" computer...the thing that determined > where to light up the "arrow" that suggested the best way to > make the spare. > >Stan --- The actual name of the unit is the "Sparemaker" computer, but I won't hold that against him. (that being a somewhat industry specific bit of trivia). The smaller chassis latched the information from the pinsetter as to which pins remained standing following the first ball and relayed this information to the larger (computer) chassis which used the information to determine which one of eleven possible colored indicator arrows should be illuminated on the pin display (called the "pindicator" by AMF) to suggest the shot with the best possibility of converting the spare. Once the computation was complete, the solution was relayed back to the smaller chassis (called the "ball path indicator") where it was latched for display, thus freeing up the main computer to service requests from other pinsetters. I thought I had a picture of one in operation, but I can't put my hands on it right at the moment, and it would take sometime to wire the computer up just for this occasion... So, perhaps later... One obvious (to some) shortcoming of the unit is that it always displayed suggestions evaluated for right handed bowlers. There was no left handed option... In the installation/service manual for the unit, the calculation (logic) sequence is detailed in a series of boolean equations. If anyone is curious, I'll either scan the page or scribble them into a future message. --- And now... the identity of this outings infamous 'no prize' (if indeed the lucky winner wishes to claim it!) A slightly (ok, very) used, actual, for real, AMF Bowling Pin! To claim it, drop me a note (off list) with your address. If not claimed, the pin will go back into the random prize pot possibly to reappear in some future quiz. Thanks to all who played - you never know when the next one will pop up! -jim --- jimw(a)computergarage.org The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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Quiz Time - update

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Gee... I just knew people would likely respond to the list... <g> ... and I knew the "AMF" ID Plate would start people guessing... (which is why I left it in the image) The comment "everyone knows that AMF is associated with Bowling and Harleys" was interesting. Did anyone else see the AMF Analog Computer (!) that went up on ePay a few months ago? Now, more to the point - the guesses so far: (some by multiple people) the pin setter computer (part that runs the pinsetter) an automatic scorer computer Both good guesses... and both incorrect! But we have started down the right... (dare I, sure) ...alley... B^} Round 2! -jim --- jimw(a)computergarage.org || jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 26, 17:38, Chris Kennedy wrote: > Subject: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530 > Mike Cheponis wrote: > > Relevance to old iron? Because old iron had lots of busses, new ones don't. > > > > Why is that? > > Because it isn't the case. > Other examples include the > Cray/whatever 6400 SMP, Pyramid Nile, Sequent S5000 and I suspect > the SGI Challenge and HP T500, although I'd have to check. Correct, the Challenge (and indeed even the Indigos and Indys) have a separate GIO bus for various purposes. And SGI Origin machines have a crossbar switch arrangement instead of a single bus, IIRC. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Figure about 1992-93 for that model. I used to have accounts on one when I was at DEC. <Looks like the 6500 was about 13 VAX-11/780 MIPS. That would make it abou <2x to 3x slower than a 486DX2/66. Not even close. More like a stack of a dozen or more of the 486s. It usually ran between 30-50 VT1200 Xwindows type terminals under VMS 5.5 plus the usual batch load and plain terminal user base. I doubt a 486dx/66 running linux could support 50-100 50 users running web browsers that smoothly while providing print services to 4-6 laser printers. Since the group had some 486dx/50s we could compare. The 486 was slower for any IO despite the SCSI, could not multitask well and was known for crashing (w3.11) something uncommon the VAX world. Apples and oranges, the VAX especially the bigger models with the CI and other high perf IO busses can easily pound PCI pentiums into the ground for shear load. A 6000-530 is 40" corperate cabs typically 3-4 of them more depending on the disks. Compared to a 780 its small. Compared to a 3100 it's huge. You would need a 16ft truck, lift gate or ramps. Power, basic system will run off a wall outlet barely if modded for single phase. OS, ultrix a BSD derivitive some like it, some hate it, it runs. VMS is the other OS commonly run and current (V7.2) is avaiable under hobbiest license and supports the SMP. Allison

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Perhaps not in a PC, but other micros have used asynchronous buses (like <the native bus of the 68000, and VME bus). I think you got that backwards. VME and 68k were synchronous. The PC bus is async (as is s100, Multibus, U and Q busses)! The sync/async bus thing is a fundemental moto/intel difference! On the similarity plane... ISA is basically multibus with a few breakages like the interrupt edge/level thing. Allison

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HP CS/80,SS/80 & Amigo Protocols

by ltnutt01＠athena.louisville.edu

Hey, I have lots of CS/80 drives which I stil use at work with HP1000 E/f series computers. I had a "CS/80 Programmers Manual" from HP which described each command in detail. I am currently looking for my copy since I wnt to do a little experimentation with using a PC with GBIP card to emulate a CS/80 drive. If I find my manual I will let you know. In the mean time, if anyone else digs up one of these babies, please tell me John

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classic computer discussion group

by rjzambo＠attglobal.net

hi Can you please add me to the group. cheers

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RT11 Version 3B RL02 system file

by bkennedy＠kcp.com

I found your newsgroup in a search for "RL02" on the internet. You probably think I am nuts. But, the real nuts are those at our company that refused to upgrade their older RT-11 operating systems and disk drivers years ago. So, I am looking for the DL.SYS system file for RT-11 version 3B. They are having to upgrade their Plesy RK05 disk drives to RL02s due to lack of replacement parts (they've used old systems to cabbage parts, but there are no more!). We programmers told them this would happen 10 years ago, but No ..o..o, they wouldn't listen. Most of us upgraded our PDP-11 systems to RT-11 Version 5.n many years ago, too. If you know another place to look for this, let me know. Thanks, Bev Kennedy, bkennedy(a)kcp.com ************************************************************ AlliedSignal Federal Manufacturing & Technologies This e-mail message has been scanned. ************************************************************

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Definition of Obsolete... (was: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I still think people are bringing too much emotional baggage with the >word obsolete. If I tell you your PDP-11 is obsolete, I am not insulting >you or the computer. But I've got PDP-11 CPU's that were produced in the last 6 months, using very current technology. (In particular, see the Mentec M1 and M11 descriptions at http://www.mentec.com/, and see the QED 993 description at http://www.quickware.com/ ). -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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FW: FS: Vintage ALTOS Mod. 5-15AD

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Anyone want an Altos? If so, respond to the folks below... -=-=- <snip> -=-=- On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:58:45 GMT, in seattle.forsale.computers you wrote: >>From: "vaklov" <vaklov(a)infomagic.com> >>Newsgroups: seattle.forsale.computers >>Subject: FS: Vintage ALTOS Mod. 5-15AD >>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:58:45 GMT >>Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com >>Lines: 5 >>Message-ID: <01bf200d$d14e5a60$9ec571a5@default> >>X-Complaints-To: newsabuse(a)supernews.com >>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 >>Path: news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!news-chi-1.sprintlink.net!news-central.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail >>Xref: news1.jps.net seattle.forsale.computers:1124 >> >>First commercial minicomputer, working, Ser#50-31343. Make offer. >>-- >>James & Kathy Deaver >>Flagstaff, AZ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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3rd MSCP disk controller?

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

Anyone know the "default" CSR for the 3rd MSCP disk controller? (or have the CONFIGURE command handy?) --Chuck

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3rd MSCP disk controller?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Anyone know the "default" CSR for the 3rd MSCP disk controller? (or have >the CONFIGURE command handy?) $ mcr sysgen config DEVICE> kda50 3 %SYSGEN-I-EQV_NOTICE, equivalent name - device KDA50 will be output as UDA DEVICE> Exit Device: UDA Name: PUA CSR: 772150 Vector: 154 Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUB CSR: 760334* Vector: 300* Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUC CSR: 760340* Vector: 304* Support: yes Note that the presence of a serial multiplexer will change things around a lot - for example: $ mcr sysgen config DEVICE> kda50 3 %SYSGEN-I-EQV_NOTICE, equivalent name - device KDA50 will be output as UDA DEVICE> dz11 1 DEVICE> Exit Device: UDA Name: PUA CSR: 772150 Vector: 154 Support: yes Device: DZ11 Name: TTA CSR: 760100* Vector: 300* Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUB CSR: 760354* Vector: 310* Support: yes Device: UDA Name: PUC CSR: 760360* Vector: 314* Support: yes If you don't have a machine with CONFIGURE available, you can read Alan Frisbie's very excellent DECUS presentation on this subject at ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/hardware… -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Definition of Obsolete... (was: Re: gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Mike Cheponis may have mentioned these words: >Sure, if the old stuff works, why change? (Even if it -is- obsolete!) >It does indeed make sense. I can honestly say that is where you and I differ greatly: the definition of "obsolete." My CoCo3 is *not* obsolete. It plays Rogue wonderfully (the PC port sucked canal water), keeps track of my coin collection (Dynacalc is a wonderful thing) and other tasks. My Atari ST isn't obsolete, either. I have a geneology program that works wonderfully, and I use it to print mailing lists - you don't need a PentiumIII to print mailing labels on a 24-pin... (Why don't I use my 15-year-old Epson LX-80? It didn't have tractor-feed... :-( ) Neither has a hard drive... they don't need one for the tasks which I find useful on them. Web browsing on either? I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid. ;-) They weren't designed for that, no more than a Hyundai was designed to pull a 32-foot travel trailer... [[BTW, just to clear things up - in a previous post you mentioned "and why more and more L2 cache is onboad the PIII modules." Hate to tell you this, but the PII & PIII's *never* changed their cache size or (relative) speed. 512K Level2 Cache, running at 1/2 clock speed of the processor. The Xeon processors (both PII & PIII versions) come in 512K, 1M & 2M cache sizes that run at the processor clock speed.]] Obviously, my definition is: If it still works, it's not obsolete. Just my $0.0000000000002 (USD), Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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Production RT-11 3B user seeks DL.sys

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I got a message from someone who tracked me down via some kind of web search looking for RL02 info. Please contact her directly if anyone can help. I don't have RT-11 v3B, so I can't check to see if there even _is_ an RL02 driver for it. -ethan ------- From: bkennedy(a)kcp.com | Block address To: "Ethan Dicks" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:42:50 -0500 Subject: RT11 Version 3B RL02 system file I found your newsgroup in a search for "RL02" on the internet. You probably think I am nuts. But, the real nuts are those at our company that refused to upgrade their older RT-11 operating systems and disk drivers years ago. So, I am looking for the DL.SYS system file for RT-11 version 3B. They are having to upgrade their Plesy RK05 disk drives to RL02s due to lack of replacement parts (they've used old systems to cabbage parts, but there are no more!). We programmers told them this would happen 10 years ago, but No ..o..o, they wouldn't listen. Most of us upgraded our PDP-11 systems to RT-11 Version 5.n many years ago, too. If you know another place to look for this, let me know. Thanks, Bev Kennedy, bkennedy(a)kcp.com ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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4K paper tape Basic for PDP 8 - I found out it does exist.

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 12:15 PM Subject: Re: 4K paper tape Basic for PDP 8 - I found out it does exist. >I've got a copy of the Edusystem BASIC tape. I'll see if I can read it in >from the teletype and upload it somewhere. That would gr8 chuck. Please email me with what kind of systems you have and a wish list. john (new email address) >--Chuck > >At 07:26 PM 10/25/99 -0400, you wrote: >>DEC released a 4K core paper tape basic for the edusystem. Does anyone have >>this basic program and can I get a copy of it or trade a copy for something? >

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compaq luggable available (fwd)

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Anyone need a Compaq luggable to round out their collection? Please reply directly to the original sender. Reply-to: kenmor(a)svpal.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Morley <kenmor(a)svpal.org> Subject: compaq luggable I have what appears to be a Compaq 'lugable' that has a sick hard disk. It was used until 2 months ago to print labels for a mailing job, so all was fine. The disk may only need to be reformated, but I dont have the diskettes needed and just wanted a newer machine ( which we have managed find). It is yours if you want it. I dont want to throw it away. Ken Morley 2342 Lida Dr. Mtn. View, CA 94043-4210 kenmor(a)svpal.org Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. VCF East? VCF Europe!? YOU BETCHA!! Stay tuned for more information or contact me to find out how you can participate http://www.vintage.org

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Amstrad 8256 available for donation (fwd)

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Anyone interested in an interesting CP/M compatible import from the UK? Please reply directly to the sender. Reply-to: kgsniagfalls(a)hotmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:35:47 PDT From: Kelly Smith <kgsniagfalls(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Amstrad 8256 available for donation 2740 Woodlawn Avenue Niagara Falls, NY 14301-1448 October 21, 1999 VCF 4275 Rosewood Dr. #29-161 Pleasanton, CA 94588 I found out about your web-site from the PBS show Net Cafe. I understand you take donations and I wonder if you'd be interested in an Amstrad PCW 8256 that uses the old 3-inch CF2 disks. I have everything that came with it originally -- printer, both manuals, 2 program disks (4 sides) -- Word Processor LocaScript on side 1, System/Utilities/Basic CP/M Plus on side 2, CP/M Plus Programming Utilities on side 3, and CP/M Plus Dr. Logo & Help on side 4. In addition, after using it for several years I had a 3 1/2 inch floppy drive added to it as drive B, which made it possible for me to transfer ASCII files created in the LocaScript program to 720 KB MF-2DD disks in DOS format so I could use them when I switched to a regular IBM compatible computer. If you're interested, the software I used for this is also available -- it's PCW 2-in-1, version 2.20, by Moonstone Computing of Glasgow U.K. The program is on one 3 inch CF2 disk and there's also a manual. It worked perfectly and although I knew very little about computers I found it easy to use. The Amstrad was in perfect working order the last time I used it, but that was six years ago. I turned it on yesterday and though the monitor came on I wasn't able to get it to boot up -- there was a different sound coming >from the old CF2 drive -- instead of the usual soft whirring there was a louder grinding sound. Other than being dusty I can't think what's wrong with it. It hasn't been moved or subjected to any extremes of temperature or humidity. Anyway, let me know if you're interested, and if so, can you tell me if you pay any of the shipping costs? I doubt very much that I'd be able to sell it, but it seems a shame to just throw it out in the trash. I think you're undertaking a very worthwhile project. Working in a library, I'm aware of the problem of not being able to access stranded information in obsolete formats and disk types. We must be able to preserve and access data, statistics, and scholarly research stored in these mediums -- otherwise we lose part of our history and the chance to build on the knowledge of our predecessors. If you can keep older equipment operational you'll provide a great service. Most sincerely, Kelly G. Smith Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. VCF East? VCF Europe!? YOU BETCHA!! Stay tuned for more information or contact me to find out how you can participate http://www.vintage.org

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Information please

by research＠alltel.net

Do you know what scopes were sold by Tektronics to Ail Tech for a 727 Spectrum Analizer? Thank you Alex

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Information Please

by research＠alltel.net

Do you know what scopes were sold by Tektronics to Ail Tech for a 727 Spectrum Analizer? Thank you Alex

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3 drives on a KFQSA?

by cmcmanis＠freegate.com

Has anyone successfully run three DSSI disk drives on a KFQSA? I've tried several times to configure mine to do that but it keeps coming up bogusly. The only "odd" bit is that one of my drives is _not_ connected to the control panel (you know the protect/enable/etc) panel. I am beginning to suspect I need to understand what the three switches that are on all RF series drives actually do. I can get two to appear, but not the third. Configuration: ** ** RF72 RF71 RF71 (UNIT=2) (UNIT=1) (UNIT=0) *TERM*-----+--------+---------+-------> KFQSA (id 6) KFQSA has three "nodes" (0, 1, and 2) 776450 - 0 760334 - 1 760340 - 2 UNIT 1 and UNIT 0 are connected to the control panel, with ID plugs 0 and 1. UNIT 2 is not connected to the control panel (no cable nor ID plug) With three disks defined on the KFQSA I get one to show up (usually UNIT 2 as DUA2). With two defined I get DUA2 and DUB0. If I disconnect the RF72 I get DUA0 and DUB1. Questions: What do the switches on the drives do?!? Has anyone configured three disks on one of these things? --Chuck

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gauging interest in VAX 6000-530

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Mike Cheponis may have mentioned these words: >Peter, I do hope your arm heals quickly. >A better example is: how much lead can you deliver to a load with two guns >rated 1 Mega-Bullets per Second vs one gun rated at 2 MB/Sec? >Answer, of course: They produce the same amount of deposited lead on the >target. Now, let me use your analogy to prove that multiple independent busses are better than one single bus: Let's say in each of your cases, 1 of the weapons jams exactly halfway thru it's job... How much lead is delivered in each case? (1) 2MBullets/Sec: 1 Million bullets. (2) 1MBullets/Sec: 1.5 Million bullets. The multiple bus structure delivered more bullets with 1 bus still ready for work, whereas the single bus structure's work ground to a halt waiting for operator intervention. I hope to say that this is what others and myself have tried to convey. Hope this helps clear up my point, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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List spammer traced

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Our latest list spammer has been traced, located, and formally scorched. I -love- sending spammer flames from a my-deja account... it's blocked to all incoming E-mail (accepts outgoing only), so anything a spammer sends just bounces right back at them. Besides the 200 degree C flame to the spammer in question, politely formal complaints were filed with their ISPs. Granted, I can't recall ever getting a response from a Korean or Chinese ISP that they toasted a spammer themselves, but there's always a first time. I'll advise if I get any type of valid response. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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4K paper tape Basic for PDP 8 - I found out it does exist.

by daniel＠internet.look.ca

DEC released a 4K core paper tape basic for the edusystem. Does anyone have this basic program and can I get a copy of it or trade a copy for something?

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help id'ing board

by cem14＠cornell.edu

Hi everyone; I found a board that could fit in my microvax II if I decided to push it in. Let me describe it: manufacturer: Recognition Concepts Inc., assy. # 100220, then in the back: 100221 fab rev A It has: -large DIP 64 pin IC by TRW, marked 1007JIC3 8451/AP -LS glue logic -7808, 7908 and 7906 regulators -couple LH0024's, four other analog chips in a section where traces are sandwiched between ground planes. The only external connector is a subminiature rf-style gold-plated connector, close to this analog section, and, most important, -two DAC0800LCN chips. I thought it might be some kind of successive approx A/D, but, why two DAC's then? cascading them to get a higher resolution would require unreliable, painful calibration... And only one channel... or maybe the analog multiplexer occupied a separate board... Has anybody seen this beast before? Carlos. -- Carlos Murillo-Sanchez email: cem14(a)cornell.edu 428 Phillips Hall, Electrical Engineering Department Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853

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Stamping product / Press

by ktco＠www.tradingking.com

DAE SANG CO., LTD. TEL:+82-2-3142-6464 FAX:+82-2-338-1052 E-MAIL: ktco(a)tradingking.com HOMEPAGE: www.tradingking.com CONTACT:Soppia Sung To :classiccmp How are you? Are you looking for a company which has excellent skills in stamping with bronze, aluminum, steel and so on? You will be interested to hear that we have handled stamping products like terminal, housing, angle and others that are able to be stamped. We are a stamping(press) products maker in Korea searching companies that stamping products are needed. Already, we have supplied lots of stamping products for various kinds of spare parts companies for long time. The name of our company is DAESANG Co., Ltd. as one of leading stamping(press) business . We have been the first vendor of Samsung, Daewoo, Anam, Jeil Engineering, Goldstar(it is LG at present) which are reliable companies in Korea since 1982. We had a good reputation through long business in this line in Korea. We are confident that you will be quite satisfied with our services including the best price and the perfect. If you are agreeable, we should be most appreciative of your co-operation in this respect and look forward to your reply with great interest. Should you have any question or inquiry, Please do not hesitate to contact us. Wish to have a good business relationship with you in the coming future. We should appreciate your prompt reply. Best Regards, Soppia Sung/International Marketing Representative Address:180-2 DONGBO B/D 401 DONGKYO-DONG MAPO-KU SEOUL, KOREA TEL:+82-2-3142-6464 FAX:+82-2-338-1052 E-MAIL: ktco(a)tradingking.com HOMEPAGE: www.tradingking.com

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gauging interest in VAX 9210

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>>A bit off topic; a friend of mine has been offered a 9210 and asked >>me if it was worth the effort of moving it. Without considering the >>power and space requirements, I would prefer a 780 to a 9000. >> >>If you were offered a 9000 would you take it or let it be scrapped? In >>this case the biggest problem is the distance; the machine is located >>about 1000Km from us. >The biggest problem isn't storage and power? I'm not sure how many racks >you're talking but I would think this could be a fairly large system. Don't forget air-conditioning, too. A 9000 is *not* a small system. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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Quiz time!

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

Anyone up for a little mind bender? We begin with the images below: http://www.computergarage.org/~jwilling/P0870.JPG http://www.computergarage.org/~jwilling/P0871.JPG http://www.computergarage.org/~jwilling/P0872.JPG http://www.computergarage.org/~jwilling/P0873a.JPG One official 'no prize' to the first person who can identify these items. (or, perhaps a real prize... You never know) --- Some Clues: These artifacts date from early 1962 (when they were in production - probably designed sometime in 1960-1961) These are dedicated units, with a hard-wired program (using a diode logic matrix contained in the larger unit but not visible in these images) The large chassis in the first two images is the central 'computer'. This unit could service up to ten machines that the smaller chassis in the second pair of images were connected to. (more or less on a FIFO on-demand time-shared basis) The smaller unit gathers data from a machine for processing by the larger unit, and once a solution has been determined, the larger unit relays (no pun intended) the information back to the requesting smaller unit which latches the solution data for display along with the original input data on a visual readout device which is part of the machine. These were a production item, in fairly common use and their results could be seen on public display nearly anywhere around the country (and to some extent the world) where they were in use. Collectively, the units were known as the "' ' Computer" and were considered an add-on or enhancement to the original machine with which they were used. No direct (or manual) input from the 'user' was required in the normal use of this computer. --- The game ends with the first correct solution or on 01-November-1999 (whichever comes first) --- The images are un-retouched, except for image P0873a where part of the ID plate that would give away the answer has been obscured. And, if anyone really thinks it will help I will add some shots of the inside of the chassis in a day or so... LOTS of wires and stuff! Have at you! -jim --- jimw(a)computergarage.org The Computer Garage - http://www.computergarage.org Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174

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SD CAL computer museum

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 01:00 AM 10/26/1999 -0700, you wrote: >I spent the weekend in San Diego and didn't buy a darn thing. I did see a >couple of interest though. The Ruben H Fleet science center has a room of >"computer history" complete with a 029 keypunch and some pictures on the Wow. I used to punch cards on one of those! :( That was an uptown machine, much better that the 026. I loved the little drum you could configure for tab stops. Lance Costanzo http://www.webhighrise.com System Administrator Website and Virtual Domain Hosting lance(a)costanzo.net starting at $5/month, no setup fees

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FW: PDP11 cabnets / Power Supplies available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Found on Usenet. I would guess that "power supply" in this context refers to either the 861 or 874 series power controllers. So, if you need a pair of racks, please contact gman(a)apocalypse.org ASAP. -=-=- <break> -=-=- On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:06:23 -0400, in alt.sys.pdp11 you wrote: >>From: "Paul Schmitt" <pschmitt(a)cportcorp.com> >>Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11 >>Subject: PDP11 cabnets / Power Supplies available >>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:06:23 -0400 >>Lines: 20 >>Message-ID: <7v497k$pdt$1(a)autumn.news.rcn.net> >>X-Trace: np0m9fdKBlu4ZZAXJRM8//nzH+t0Z38Och77TKBATSE= >>X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)rcn.com >>NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Oct 1999 13:10:12 GMT >>X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 >>Path: news1.jps.net!news-west.eli.net!news-chi-1.sprintlink.net!news-central.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail >>Xref: news1.jps.net alt.sys.pdp11:248 >> >>Hi all, >> >>In a quest for PDP8 Cabinets I ran across a couple PDP-LSI-11 type cabinets >>and Power Supplies(kind of like finding 65' thunderbird parts when your >>restoring a 57' Chevy). By LSI-11 I refer to the later vintage white >>cabinets with rounded corners. The cabinets, 1 four foot and 1 six foot are >>in good condition - complete with good working casters, but very few front >>covers. Also included are two like 6" rack power supplies (one still >>brandy-new in the box). These are heavy items, and can be found about 30 >>minutes North of Boston. The owner would be happy to place them with >>someone who could use them. If you are interested send email to Steve Glass >>at gman(a)apocalypse.org. >> >> >>Good Luck. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies -- kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech [dot] com Web: http://www.bluefeathertech.com "...No matter how we may wish otherwise, our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."

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what is a VXT 2000+

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/25/99 6:27:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, healyzh(a)aracnet.com writes: > Right... So, how hard did you laugh at him? Does he realize it's a fixed > freq monitor? > He resells lots of large monitors so he has a good idea of its value. He is bargainable but not arguable. He has sold many of these in the secondary market. It doesn't pay to laugh at scrappers. They like to cut the cords off machines. Paxton Portland, OR

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