- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> wrote: > Thomas, for your HP 110+ I have the following software: [...] > 100-SYS DSDD HP 100 series (120/125) CP/M 2.2 system disk Uh, Don, the 110 and 110+/"Portable Plus" are MS-DOS portables. They're not PC-compatible but/and they don't run CP/M. -Frank McConnell

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HP-IL/RS232C Interface

by thomas.h.lindberg＠se.abb.com

Don, Joe, I might be able to help both of you! I believe that I have a manual for the HP-IL RS323 device somewhere, probably also the device itself. I'll check and revert. I also have an old HP 110+, the HP-IL printer that goes (went) with it, a HP-IL floppy drive (720kb), and a HP-IL GPIO device (General Purpose I/O). I'm willing to trade the HP-IL RS232 device for (almost) anything for the HP110+, S/W, firmware, or the memory expansion board. Suggestions, please! Thomas

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FS: manual for MODEM for Tektronix 4010 series terminal

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I spotted this in a surplus store this morning. Does anyone want it? It's a Tektronix manual for the option 37, 38 and 39 MODEM that goes in the 4010 series of terminals. The manual looks like new. $10 plus shipping. Let me know if you want it. Joe

26 years, 4 months

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PDP-11/70 for Scrap

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Jerome, New Mexico parallels almost the entire border of my state... I defintely am interested.. I lack a PDP-11, though I have about 16 or so other minis. Let me know more info. Will J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 4 months

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GRI-909

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

I have requested a copy of all the patents and info regarding the PDP-8/S and the GRI-909. I will post them too. I asked him for a GRI-909 but.... Unfortunately he thought no one was interested in the 8/S or the GRI-909 so he hauled them both to the dump 6 years ago. :-( :-( :-( :-( , etc.... I am *really* unhappy about that...... john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com -----Original Message----- From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 8:28 PM Subject: GRI-909 > >FWIW, here is one patent probably on the 909 (3631401) >Unfortunatly, IBM doesn't have it on line, nor do they have >any mention of the ones for the 8/S >

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HP 9000/300

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Anyone want a HP computer with HP-UX? Joe In comp.sys.hp.hardware, Ron <rongage(a)att.net> wrote: >Mel Heillman wrote: > >> Does anyone have 9000/300 hardware for sale? >> Does anyone have HP Pascal for thsi machine? > >Hi Mel: > >I have a couple of 9000/300's available if you are interested. > >Each comes with a bootable hard drive (HP/ux 9.something), and a 16 >track HPIB tape drive. >Asking $100.00 each set, or best offer. >I also have the HP-HIL keyboards, mice, and some 19" monitors available. > >Please note, these are fairly heavy units and may prove a bit costly to >ship. > >Ron Gage - Saginaw, MI >(rongage(a)att.net) > >

26 years, 4 months

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MIC 501/504 manuals

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I found this in the CPM news-group. Sounds like this guy knows a lot about the early Chinese CPM computers. Joe In comp.os.cpm, "Bil Hansen" <w_hansen(a)mozcom.com> wrote: >For anyone prepared to cover the cost of postage, I have a copy of the >MIC-501/MIC-504 service manual (in English) and the MIC-500 operator's >manual (in Chinese). I also have a number of CP/M manuals that are >available on the same basis. > >A transfer to Malaysia early next year has forced me reluctantly to >dispose of my 1983-built MIC-501 and associated terminal. Multitech >Industrial Corporation (MIC) was the early English name of the >company, now known as Acer Computers, started in Taiwan by Stan Shih. >The MIC-501 and MIC-504 Z-80 machines were marketed as business >computers and differed only in the capacity of their floppy drives. >The MIC 500 series was marketed under that brand name in many >jurisdictions in the early to mid-1980s. In some jurisdictions, local >companies, such as Pericomp in Australia, self-branded the machine. I >understand that prior ownership of the name 'Multitech' forced Stan >Shih to adopt what has since become the global brand name 'Acer' (the >name of his company has remained the same in Chinese). > >The MIC 500 series service manual is a photocopy (supplied to me by >the company HQ in Taiwan - I bought my machine in Taiwan) of 80 pages >dealing with: >I Hardware Operation Theory >II System Firmware >III BIOS Implementation >IV Mechanical Description >V Trouble shooting >with schematics. > >The MIC 500 series operator's manual is a glossy covered softback >original, in Chinese, introducing the MIC and CP/M 2.2. > >In Oct 1994, through this newsgroup, I had contact with Greg Holdren >at gholdren(a)citrus.sac.ca.us who had an MIC-504, so there is at least >one person out there nursing an MIC-500 series machine. > >Cheers > >Bil >-- >Makati MM, Philippines >http://www2.mozcom.com/~w_hansen/ > >

26 years, 4 months

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VAXStation

by macieks＠pzl-okecie.com.pl

For few months I'm owner of VAXStation 3100 M48. It has 24Mb of RAM, three 120Mb HDDs, TK50 tape and RRD40 cdrom. I'm quite new in this kind of equipment an have very little of experience. It's booting ok, two HDDs and tape works, but one of HDDs war broken and disconnected. And the cdrom drive don't work. When I try mount it I got 'Media off-line' message (It runs VMS 5.2). Is it problem with some jumper settings on drive or so ? Is it possible to get some hardware related manuals (I've few VMS manuals downloaded from the web). Thank you for any help. Maciek S. Szymanski

26 years, 4 months

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HP UX info required

by wrm＠ccii.co.za

Hi all I need help with an HP/UX box. I don't know much about the thing except that it has two hard drives connected to the first (0) HPIB cable and a tape drive connected to the third cable (ID 3). Problem is that the existing software looks for the tape drive at /dev/rct/c7d0s2, and can't find it. The device entry c7d0s2 has a major number 7 and a minor number 0x400702. Am I correct in thinking that the minor number related to the HPIB address in some way, because I expect the tape drive to be 4.2.3.0.0.0. Please bear with me, this is the first time in my life I've seen an HP/UX box, so I'm pretty clueless. What do I need to find out about the box to make the tape drive work? Thanks Wouter PS: Anybody have Apollo 3500 hardware info for me? And where can I get a copy of Domain/OS, my one tape seems buggered?

26 years, 4 months

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reading tapes in bad conditions

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>depending on the number of records skiped vmstpce returns parity error >or EOT. There seems to be no correlation between number of records and error >type. Keep in mind that VMSTPCE, by default, does a rewind before doing the image, so your SET MAG/SKIP commands probably don't mean anything anyway. You need /NOREWIND to force it to not rewind. VMSTPCE also has the "/ERROR" switch to make it ignore erros. I suspect your tape drive thinks its too smart to read past an error though. >I was thinking of strange suggestions like those to get stuck RD53 working >again. For 800 BPI, you can always move the start-of-tape marker past the crinkled tape. This will work for *some*, but not all, 1600 BPI tape drives too. (There's a ID burst at the start of a 1600 BPI tape that some drives will insist on finding.) Same for 6250. >Eric, I guess you'll have to wait untill I have set up again the 3420 tapes; >these probably are old enough to not be too smart. What's the project, out of curiosity? I've only got a dozen 9-track drives here that might help :-) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

26 years, 4 months

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TI 990 DX10 overview manual

by aek＠spies.com

Volume I of the DX10 OS manual is pdf-ed and on spies now under the TI section of www.spies.com/aek/orphan.html thanks to dylanb(a)sympatico.ca for forwarding it to me to scan. There are lots of other documentation still to find, though.

26 years, 4 months

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Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by edick＠idcomm.com

If you have a cable which separates the 3 video colors and their returns >from the DE-15 and also brings up the two sync signals you're on your way, but you need to put an adapter in the cable in order to allow you to invert sync polarity in case the video board requires it. If you have 5 BNC's, that normally means you don't need the 500-ohm resistor to green video from the comp sync pin on your video board's application connector. That just imposes sync on green, which won't help with your 5-bnc monitor. The key question is whether or not the video card can produce a sync combination palatable to your monitor. I believe the A2094 uses a 72-Hz vertical rate to produce 1280x1024. at 72 Hz, that exceeds the capabilities of most video DACs as normally found on PC video cards. Knowing that, I'd not expect to find a card for just a few dollars (few meaning <<1k) which is up to the task. Most current generation video boards interlace the 1280x1024 at 83 Hz in order to stay within the DAC's capabilities. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 10:58 PM Subject: Re: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?) >> I have found a manufacturer that seems to have an adaptor to allow me to use >> my HP A2094 monitor with my standard PC for only $30.00. >> Could this actually work ? > >It will help you just as much as wrapping a rubber band around the >video cable. Sure, the rubber band wont do a damn thing for you, but >it will cost a lot less than $30.00 ;) > >> I am not a monitor expert so could someone tell me if this could work by >> adding composite sync on pin 13, and on green pin 2 ? >> Looks to me that It would only be MONO if this is done ? >> >> Here is the information from their site: >> >> PC Sync Adapter (Cost $30.00) > >You dont need a sync adaptor. Your monitor has 5 BNC connectors, and can >thus accept separate sync. This is a GOOD thing. Especially since your >video card generates separate sync. > >Now, you say that some source mentions that the monitor is not VGA >compatible. Most likely, this is because the monitor doesnt support >a 640X480 @ 60Hz mode. When IBM compatible computers boot up, they always >use this video mode, and later in the boot sequence they switch to >whatever mode you specify. > >SO. IF this monitor is going to work at all, what you need is a video >cable with 5 BNC connectors on one end, and a HD15 connector on the >other. If the monitor doesnt support 640x480, then you would have to use >another monitor to set windows to the correct resolution and refresh >rate, and then switch monitors. Thereafter, when the machine is booted up, >the monitor would not sync up until the boot sequence reached the point where >it changes to the correct resolution and sync rate. Of course, if something >goes wrong, you wont have a clue whats wrong until you switch monitors... > >Dont pay more than $15 for the video cable, and make sure it comes with >a toroid of some sort. As long as you're sure your IBM video card can be set >to that maximum resolution and refresh rate that the monitor can handle, >I would say this has an excellent chance of working. > >-Lawrence (using a good HP A4032A 17" monitor some company discarded) LeMay

26 years, 4 months

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Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

I have found a manufacturer that seems to have an adaptor to allow me to use my HP A2094 monitor with my standard PC for only $30.00. Could this actually work ? I am not a monitor expert so could someone tell me if this could work by adding composite sync on pin 13, and on green pin 2 ? Looks to me that It would only be MONO if this is done ? Here is the information from their site: PC Sync Adapter (Cost $30.00) HD-15 Male to HD-15 Female adapter provides composite sync (pin 13) and sync on green (pin 2). Here is the standard pinouts for a VGA video card that I found: VGA DB15-S Female DB9 Female 15-pin 9-pin assignment 1 1 Red 2 2 Green 3 3 Blue 4 - Monitor ID bit 2 5 - N/C 6 6 GND (red return) 7 7 GND (green return) 8 8 GND (blue return) 9 - N/C 10 - GND 11 - Monitor ID bit 0 12 - Minitor ID bit 1 13 4 Horizontal Sync 14 5 Vertical Sync 15 - N/C

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Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

>Yes, this monitor has analogue RGB inputs with separate syncs. But the >scan rates are neither US TV rates (which is what the C128 produces) or >VGA. I believe some SVGA cards could drive this given suitable software >(Xfree86 could probably do it if you run linux). >> Monitor Specifications: (From the Website) >> H Frequency : 68.7 > >US TV is 15.570kHz, VGA is 31.25kHz or thereabouts. > >> V Frequency : 75 Hz > >US TV is 60Hz, as is VGA (?) Info I have found says it runs 1152 X 870 at 75 Hz I seem to be getting several different opinions on the HP 19 inch monitor.

26 years, 4 months

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Wanted: PDP-11

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Another night of scrounging eBay's "Vintage" category has left me with that urge once again.. so if anyone has a PDP-11 system for sale or trade within reasonable driving or shipping distance of Austin, Texas, please let me know. Bill -- Bill Bradford * mrbill(a)mrbill.net / http://www.mrbill.net mrbill(a)sunhelp.org / http://www.sunhelp.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to using Windows NT for mission-critical applications." -- What Yoda *meant* to say

26 years, 4 months

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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - List changes - Hopefully no more spam!

by dpeschel＠u.washington.edu

Hi, After the recent spam episode and Bruce Lane's frustrated outburst, I have changed the configuration of the CLASSICCMP list. Non-subscribers may no longer send messages. Luckily, when a non-subscriber sends a message, it is returned to them with insturctions about how to subscribe. It is also sent to me. That solves the problem of legitimate non-subscriber messages that I was worried about. In a few cases I will probably agree to forward messages without making people subscribe. There is also a "feature" of the software (I use the term loosely, as with a lot of the other "features") that saves non-subscriber messages, or maybe hashes them and then saves them. If the same message is sent more than once, it simply disappears with no errors. This happens even if the non-subscriber subscribes and then sends the message again. I don't know if it happens if the non-subscriber sends the same message from a different address. The solution (which is explained in the automated reply) is to change the contents of the message and then send it again. Although that is a cute spam-preventing feature, I will probably end up sending reminders to the legitimate non-subscribers so they don't get confused when their messages vanish. I discovered that five people who post here often weren't actually subscribed. I already replied to them personally and apologized for the confusion. Hopefully I'll get fewer bounces after they subscribe. Unfortunately, the requirement that each person must use a specific address is going to become even more annoying; messages from alternate addresses slipped through before, but now they will be rejected. Let me know if you have any other questions. -- Derek

26 years, 4 months

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GRI-909

by aek＠spies.com

FWIW, here is one patent probably on the 909 (3631401) Unfortunatly, IBM doesn't have it on line, nor do they have any mention of the ones for the 8/S

26 years, 4 months

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NTSC sync rate (was Re: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB?))

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com -----Original Message----- From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:35 PM Subject: NTSC sync rate (was Re: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB?)) >"John B" <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: >Tony wrote: >> US TV is 15.570kHz, VGA is 31.25kHz or thereabouts. > >John B wrote: >> No, the US TV (NTSC) Scan Rate is 15.750Khz > >Well, if you want to get nitpicky, the NTSC horizontal sync >rate is 15.73425 KHz. I know.. I didn't want to get *picky*.. the vertical rate is 59.94... > >The old EIA RS-170 monochrome standard was 15.750 KHz, but that >is not suitable for NTSC color use. The color burst frequency >is 3.579545 MHz +/- 10 Hz, and the the horizontal rate is required >to be exactly 2/455 of that frequency. Otherwise the color information >will produce luma artifacts and/or interfere with the sound carrier. > >Note that they could have chosen to make the color carrier 3.583125 MHz, >and kept all the video timing exactly the same as for RS-170. Then they >would have had to raise the center frequency of the audio carrier by >0.1%. The FCC apparently would not let them make that change, in the >interest of compatability with existing monochrome receivers (which is >incredibly stupid, since the receivers wouldn't have even noticed), so >they had to lower everything else by 0.1% instead. Thus the need for >disgusting hacks like drop-frame time code. Sigh. > >Eric > > >Reference: _A Technical Introduction to Digital Video_ by Charles A. >Poynton, John Wiley & Sons, 1996 >

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GRI-909

by aek＠spies.com

"I was able to find the sole designer of the PDP-8/S who is now retired, Saul B. Dinman, Product Line Manager, Module Product Line -1966-69 " Interesting reading... The GRI-909 is ALSO an interesting 16 bit machine. There is mention of it in Korn's minicomputer book, and Allen Baum has a little information on it. It would be interesting to find out if Saul has any information on it in his archives.

26 years, 4 months

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Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?) >> >> Subject: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?) >> >> >> >> >> I found a Website with the specs on the HP monitor I found. >> Could someone take at look at the specs and tell me if this is standard RGB >> , >> or is it possibly VGA compatible ? > >What do you mean by 'standard' RGB? I can give you a dozen different and >incompatible RGB standards. > >Yes, this monitor has analogue RGB inputs with separate syncs. But the >scan rates are neither US TV rates (which is what the C128 produces) or >VGA. I believe some SVGA cards could drive this given suitable software >(Xfree86 could probably do it if you run linux). > >> >> Monitor Specifications: (From the Website) > >[...] > >> H Frequency : 68.7 > >US TV is 15.570kHz, VGA is 31.25kHz or thereabouts. No, the US TV (NTSC) Scan Rate is 15.750Khz john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com > >> V Frequency : 75 Hz > >US TV is 60Hz, as is VGA (?) > >-tony > >

26 years, 4 months

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Free: Sun 4/260

by wrking＠tsoft.com

I've picked up a more or less complete Sun 4/260 the other day. (2 deskside cabinets). I haven't powered it on, but the system is complete (excepting the monitor). You can't beat the price (US $0.00). I'm in the San Francisco Bay area. Any takers? Bill

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Done did it.

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

>Someone responded privately that they found no hits on Deja News. >Here's what I do in a typical search... > >I entered "Commodore Hyperion" (no quotes) in the "quick search" >area at the upper right of their start page. It returned no results. >That's OK. Down below, there's a copy of your query. Change >"Search [recent] messages" to [past], then click "Search" >next to it. (Selecting [all] would work, too.) > >Presto, a bunch of hits. Some are from Dr. Peter Kittel. He >worked at Commodore Germany, it looks like he knows a bit about it. >He'd probably respond to an e-mail if you sent him one. > >- John I done did that already. I was was right too! The C= Hyperion was a Dynalogic/ComTerm/Bytec Hyperion with a Commodore name on it! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 4 months

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I jfound the engineer who DESIGNED THE PDP-8/S

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

Amazing................................................. I am getting a lot of new documentation which seems to be refute some of the facts on the PDP-8 FAQ. I have been in contact with quite a few retired DEC engineers from the '60s. I was able to find the sole designer of the PDP-8/S who is now retired, Saul B. Dinman, Product Line Manager, Module Product Line -1966-69 I have updated my website with pictures of the prototype PDP-8/S which was built entirely on Laboratory Blue Plug-in Panels (Blue ones - H901) in 1966. I also got a lot more information on the 8/S and will be posting a lot more information on the Patents Saul acquired as a result of the design of the PDP-8/S. Please go to http://www.pdp8.com/ , click on the 8/S picture. and click on the prototype link. Changes to the text are now in Bold. WARNING!!! Pictures are big and take up much bandwidth! I am gathering documentation from prior DEC engineers to make changes to the PDP-8 FAQ. Enjoy! john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com

26 years, 4 months

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reading tapes in bad conditions

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Anybody know some trick to bring back at least part of it? I tried skipping >blocks, records and files without success? I'm using VMS 7.2 and a Cipher SCSI >tape. It depends on the SCSI tape drive's firmware, but with many you'll be able to skip over bad parts with a combination of SET MAGTAPE/SKIP=FILES and SET MAGTAPE/SKIP=RECORDS. If the SCSI tape drive won't let you do this, it's probably because its firmware thinks that a tape error means end-of-tape and won't let you go past. I can't make any other recommendation other than to get a different drive (preferably, something with a "less intelligent" interface. It's rarely good when the peripheral thinks you know better than it what you want it to do!) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

26 years, 4 months

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DEC/Compaq Collection Arrives Tuesday, December 14!

by spicer＠computerhistory.org

Hi Everyone! The largest single remaining collection of historical DEC equipment in the world arrives at the History Center in three 51 foot tractor trailers this coming Tuesday, December 14 and Thursday, December 16th. Thanks to Compaq Corporation, this tremendous "family tree" of DEC equipment will be preserved for future generations to enjoy, study from, and marvel at. Thanks to Compaq also for underwriting the shipping of this unique collection to the History Center in Mountain View where it will form part of the Center's permanent collection. Highlights from the donation include: VAX 11/750 VAX 11/780 VAX 11/780 Eastern block clone VAX 11/730 VAX 8300 VAX 9000 LINC 8 PDP-1 PDP-4 PDP-5 PDP-6 PDP-7 PDP-8A/E/L/M PDP-9 PDP-9L PDP-10 (KA) PDP-11/23 PDP-11/40 PDP-11/60 PDP-12 PDP-15 VT52 VT320 VT100 VT100 AA GIGI Hundreds more items including tape drives, disk drives, manuals, line printers, sfotware, museum displays, &c. These items will form the backbone of a new exhibit, scheduled to open to the public in January, 2000, on DEC's many pioneering contributions to computing. I will post images of the unloading for everyone within the next few days at the following URL: http://www.computerhistory.org/events/latest/ In the meantime, if you have any questions about the donation or about the History Center generally, please feel free to drop me a line. Best wishes, Dag. -- Dag Spicer Curator & Manager of Historical Collections Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing The Computer Museum History Center Building T12-A NASA Ames Research Center Mountain View, CA 94035 Offices: Building T12-A Exhibit Area: Building 126 Tel: +1 650 604 2578 Fax: +1 650 604 2594 E-m: spicer(a)computerhistory.org WWW: http://www.computerhistory.org <spicer(a)tcm.org> PGP: 15E31235 (E6ECDF74 349D1667 260759AD 7D04C178) S/V T12 Read about the latest History Center developments in "CORE," our quarterly on-line newsletter: http://www.computerhistory.org/events/core/1.1/

26 years, 4 months

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reading tapes in bad conditions

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

I wrote: >(preferably, something with a "less intelligent" interface. It's rarely >good when the peripheral thinks you know better than it what you want it to >do!) Reverse that last sentence to apply the DWIM [1] operator to my typing :-) Tim. [1] Do What I Meant

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Intel Intellec 8 computer?????

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< As far as I remember, the Intellec 8 was for 8008's <I'm reasonably sure that the 8080 were only in the <MDS800's. I have an old Intel catalog that has these Ths is correct. The MDS800 was after the intellec8I the intellec II was the MDS200 series II < The 8048 was a much later product. It came out just before <the Series II was the main development tool for Intel No after. <parts. They did have a SDK for 8048's. It was like <older SBC in that it had LED's, keypad and programmer <socket on a single PC board. Prompt48, small box with keypad two sockets and display. It could program 8748, and do a passable in circuit emulation using the romless part. Allison

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Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?) >> >> H Frequency : 68.7 >> > >> >US TV is 15.570kHz, VGA is 31.25kHz or thereabouts. >> >> No, the US TV (NTSC) Scan Rate is 15.750Khz > >Yes, you're right (525 lines/picture * 30 pictures/second). It was just a >typo, honest :-) I have seen the quality of information you provide here... I am sure it was a typo... I wasn't following the thread so I wanted to make sure the guy wasn't going to line up something at 15570 ;-) john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com > >-tony > >

26 years, 4 months

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(no subject)

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

*Snort!* One of the few places I've seen that makes the prices on E-Bay look cheap. Their target market is definitely *not* hobbyists. On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:53:00 -0500 CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com writes: > >There was a lot of local interest in these machines back in about > '78. = > >California Digital, a sometime surplus vendor > > Still a reliable surplus vendor, incidentally: > > http://www.cadigital.com/ > > Perhaps the best-known NOS selection of 8" floppy drives anywhere in > the > world, as well as 8" media and cleaning kits. > > -- > Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com > Trailing Edge Technology WWW: > http://www.trailing-edge.com/ > 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 > Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Silly dealers and comments.

by jpero＠cgocable.net

Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:40:29 +0000 Reply-to: listproc(a)u.washington.edu From: listproc(a)u.washington.edu To: jpero(a)cgocable.net Cc: dpeschel(a)u.washington.edu Subject: Silly Dealers and comments Modified email due to emailing list requirements. Hi, > $69USD for a 2x Acer CD-ROM??? We sell Creative 48X's for $65 and make a > decent profit at that... Creative's cd drives *knocks* who? who? Creative only resells cdrom drives that they could find cheapest batch of that. I rather not to. > $9.59USD for 1 CD-R Media??? We sell 'em $15 for a box of 10... That's would be good quality CD-R media like TDK, KAO, Sony etc. Cheap cd-r's do cause problems. I just heard from my friend who tried Memorex and few other "inexpensive" brands and it didn't do very well. What is the brand of those box of 10 cd-r your business are selling? No, not from that dealer. From reputable resellers when I buy stuff. Wizard

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BYTE Computer

by mrdos＠swbell.net

Does anyone know about a computer called a Byte with the following specs? RAM - 48 Kb ROM - 16 Kb External memory - Tape recorder or 5" FDD Type of processor - Z80A (UA880) Format of displaying information, graphic mode - 256 points ? 192 points Software, keeping in ROM - program-interpreter of language "Basik" Amount of sound synthesizer channels - 4 Amount simultaneously displayed colors, not less - 15 Weight, not more - 4,5 kg Presence of alphabets - Russian, Latin, Russian - Latin Time of entering-conclusion of block logical information with size of 1 Kbyte, seconds - 5 Any help would be appreciated!

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by edick＠idcomm.com

There was a lot of local interest in these machines back in about '78. California Digital, a sometime surplus vendor, ran ads in the mags of the time, e.g. BYTE and Kilobaud, for the digital cassette drives that went on these WP machines. Out here, in the hinterland, we thought those would be a potential improvement over the audio cassettes many of us were using to store data, hence we jumped on 'em. Wayne Wall wrote a simple loader/saver to run with them and, ultimately, Peter Boyle, author of the XPL0 language for the 6502,et al, wrote a floppy file system which Wayne Wall adapted for these tape drives. This later reappeared as the "APEX" os for various 6502-based machines. Unfortunately, Chuck Robertson and I were the only ones who went so far as to package a pair of the drives together for use on the same system. Chuck modified the "TFS" tape file system for use with a pair of drives, but the only copy of that was damaged beyond repair during a fixit session between Wayne, Chuck, and me, (I wasn't even smart enough to be dangerous where this TFS stuff was concerned) and the TFS then slid into oblivion. Floppies, in the meantime went down in price, and someone gave Wayne Wall an Apple-][ . . . so you can imagine what happened to the tape drive effort. It only held about 250 kB, on a 60-minute audio cassette, and it took about two minutes to run the tape from one end to the other when searching for a record. Nobody had yet thought to put the directory in the middle of the tape. Once one had used a floppy there was no chance he'd want to use these for a file-oriented OS. Oh, well. I still have the box with the pair of drives in it, by the way. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Mike Barton <mjbarton(a)erols.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 6:42 PM I recieved a Lexitron Word Processor at ... a yard sale. No diskettes to get the thing to run. Can you help in any way so I can either trash it or use it?? Thanks in advance

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CoCoLinux (was: I am buying someone a Sun SPARC?. What do I

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Based on the info I found there about three months ago it looks as if the <UMDA/66's are about the same as a U2W drive. To get the real advantage yo <have to go with RAID and disk stripping. Also, unless I'm misreading thing <UDMA/66 puts about the same load on the processor as SCSI. Yes, SCSI is <still superior, BUT the difference is so slight that you have to ask if th <added cost is worth it. Yes this is all bogus. As a single drive UDMA faster but two scsi drives are still faster as with UDMA (Still IDE) you can only talk to one spindle at a time. SCSI you can have seven on like and with some of the fancier stuff you have the ability to talk to all of them! This makes a real difference if you have system on one, Swap on another and Data on a third. When you interleave like that with queued IO then the difference is substantial. Also RAID with IDE is really flakey! Allison

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FW: Test # 4 -Delete now

by truthanl＠oclc.org

> -----Original Message----- > From: Truthan,Larry > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:48 AM > To: 'ClassicCMP(a)u.washington.edu' > Subject: Test # 3 -Delete now > > inbox sort test from listserve - Please disregard

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Test # 3 -Delete now

by truthanl＠oclc.org

inbox sort test from listserve - Please disregard

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FW: Test Message #2 - delete it now

by truthanl＠oclc.org

> testing inbox sort criteria - please disregard >

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Test Message - delete it now

by truthanl＠oclc.org

testing inbox sort criteria - please disregard

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Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 12:46 PM Subject: Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback) > > >--- Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: >> You can safely let the air in (or vacuum out) of a CRT by breaking the >> "tit" on the back end of the CRT where the air was evacuated. It may be >> covered by the plug for the electrical connections. If it is then just >> break the plug off. The glass is very thin there and I've seen may people >> just use a karate chop motion with almost any metal object to break the end >> of the tit off. That will let the air in and the rest of the tube stays >> intact. > >I just did that accidentally to a Mac SE. :-( I was trying to remove a >cable from the innards and my hand slipped and wacked the board on the >back of the CRT and skewed it far enough to bust that little tit. Now I >have *more* spare Mac parts. Do you know how many of those week lost at Queens Park?? One guy in my department nailed CRTs 2 in one week... You never forget that "hissing" sound that comes out of the unit... then the expression on the person working on it. The SEs also had those bad hard drives... the Principal Secretary actually had a large screw driver next to his SE... Every time the drive wouldn't spin up he would beat the crap out of it. Apple came down and they agreed to replace all the flaky hard drives free immediately. Entire legislative assembly had those things everywhere. I was visiting one MPP (member of provincial parliament) and will never forget what he did.He hated the SE so much that he actually asked me "how do I get a new real computer?".. I told him the only way was if this one broke. .. Well, in front of me he pushed it off his desk and hoped that it would smash when it hit the floor. It didn't break so I decided to help him out and offered to bring it back to my department and have one of our Junior Programmers put a new drive in it. He then yelled out in the hallway "Someone trip Bordnik! He's got my computer and I don't want that piece of shit back.". Good times. john http://www.pdp8.com > >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com >

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Old usenet news?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I thought this topic had been chewed once or twice on this Classic Computer Collectors mailing list, but I couldn't find it in my archive. I often lament that there may never be an archive of news in the middle era between the start of Usenet news and the birth of the Web. Deja News only goes back to about March 1995. The <http://www.archive.org/home.html> archive appears to be down right now, but it has a simple archive of a few years' worth of early Usenet news. I think there's a gap of at least ten years between its archive and Deja News. Henry Spencer supposedly archived everything into the early 90s, but did he save the tapes and shift them to new media in time? <http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/index.html> has an archive from May 1981 to May 1982, apparently based on his files. I found a news story on archive.org at <http://www.newmedianews.com/042597/ts_inetarchive.html>. Hmm. I had to blink twice, the picture of the guy running it looks enough like me to confuse myself. Fortunately, he didn't look like me in other pictures. He's a net god of sorts. He founded Thinking Machines, and later sold other companies to AOL and Amazon. archive.org is trying to archive all Web sites. <http://www.sflan.com/> is another project he funded - near and dear to my heart, because I'm typing this on a VNC window on a 4.5 mile wireless link. According to <http://www.deja.com/help/faq.shtml>, Deja has 300 million messages, accounting for more than 500 gigabytes of disk space. They say Usenet posts are increasing geometrically. At least with old news, you can know there's only a finite amount. I seem to remember that in 1983 or so, all of Usenet news was only pumping a meg or two a day. Can anyone confirm this, or supply any other data points along this curve? How many megs of Usenet posts might there be in this gap between, say, 1983 and 1995? What are the chances that someone, somewhere, has an archive of everything from these years? I guess we only need to find one. :-) - John

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I am buying someone a Sun SPARC?. What do I buy?

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

I have 0 experience with Sun. I have a friend who really likes Sun but has a Sun SPARC IPX?. What model does anyone here recommend I buy for just under $2K US. I see the Sun IPXs are selling cheap on eBay so are they a low end machine? [thats what he has right now]. I am buying this for an XMAS present - probably on eBay. I see right now: Sun SPARC 10,7,5, Ultra 1, and others. Any recommendations? john http://www.pdp8.com/

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PDP-8L (was PDP-11/70)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > Do you have docs for the PDP-8Ls? I have a running desktop PDP-8L coming in > next weekend and am not sure if I am getting the docs or not. I have a couple of the relevant handbooks (c. 1970) and a B-sized printset that is marked: DEC-8/L-HR2A-D, PDP-8/L MAINTENANCE MANUAL Volume II, 3rd printing - March 1972 I can't scan 11"x17" documents, but it's only a few dozen pages - processor flow diagrams, logic diagrams, module placement and module schematics. I can get it copied for you either as trade in kind or for the cost of duplicating plus shipping. That's all I've got for the -8/L. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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DEC Front Panel

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> wrote: > > I think DEC never made the remote protocol available or public. Not surprising. > Probably it could be done with someone with an 11/70, an RDC and a > line analyzer to trap the connections. Only if you could wedge the line analyzer in between the 11/70 and the remote support device on the other end (i.e., a live session). I do happen to have a couple of HP line analyzers - the ones that use TU58- sized tapes, not the floppy version. I can follow the traffic and, indeed, even synthesize some. We had some home-grown software that would simulate bisync traffic and even an SNA logon sequence. Most sophisticated. > The remote panel has a really slick ODT mode. If I can find my 11/70 > pocket RDC guide I'll photocopy it. That'd be great. No hurry. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

Back to that warehouse today with all the HP stuff in it. Found this monster 21inch monitor that looks to be an RGB Type.. The Monitor has 5 BNC connectors on the back Labeled .. 1. HD (Sync) 2. VD (Sync) 3. R 4. G 5. B Hope to hook this up to my Commodore 128D Computer.. Before I get to excited can someone tell me if this model is standard RGB ? Or is this some non standard type ? Phil..

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Old usenet news?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<According to <http://www.deja.com/help/faq.shtml>, Deja has <300 million messages, accounting for more than 500 gigabytes <of disk space. They say Usenet posts are increasing geometrically. It would be arithmetically but spam raised to 20,000++ newsgroups may have an impact. <At least with old news, you can know there's only a finite amount. <I seem to remember that in 1983 or so, all of Usenet news was only <pumping a meg or two a day. Can anyone confirm this, or supply <any other data points along this curve? How many megs of Usenet <posts might there be in this gap between, say, 1983 and 1995? I know from 86ish to 91 I had no problem following several groups. then all of a sudden even one group was too much. <What are the chances that someone, somewhere, has an archive of <everything from these years? I guess we only need to find one. :-) You'd have to check each group. some archived, some didn't. COMP.OS.CPM used to but I think it's long gone. Allison

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Available: DEC RK611 Controller

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

Didn't you just try to sell this on EBay? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=211502560 john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com -----Original Message----- From: William King <wrking(a)tsoft.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 11:57 PM Subject: Available: DEC RK611 Controller >I have (most of) a RK611 controller that I don't need. > >This controller consists of: > >RK611 backplane (similar to a DD11-DK) >M7900 RK06/07 Unibus interface >M7901 RK06/07 register module >M7902 RK06/07 control module >M7903 RK06/07 data module >Boot ROM for M9012 Bootstrap/Terminator Module > >*Note* however that the following module is missing: > >M7904 RK06/07 drive interface module > >If you're interested, make an offer. I'll probably accept it. > >Bill > >

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DEC Front Panel

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> wrote: > ...I'd love to have one in my 11/70. Trade? ;-) > Unfortunately, there's no way to run both the blinkin' lights > with the remote panel. Yes, well... I'd be happy with one each. > Love to see a browser interfaced java 11/70 emulator running to a remote > location with full software emulated graphics front panel. Is there enough information out there to make a virtual console for an 11/70 via the remote panel? I have no idea what the protocol (or serial line speed would be). Does the remote panel have an ODT-like mode? -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Looking for... Commodore Hyperion

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Someone responded privately that they found no hits on Deja News. Here's what I do in a typical search... I entered "Commodore Hyperion" (no quotes) in the "quick search" area at the upper right of their start page. It returned no results. That's OK. Down below, there's a copy of your query. Change "Search [recent] messages" to [past], then click "Search" next to it. (Selecting [all] would work, too.) Presto, a bunch of hits. Some are from Dr. Peter Kittel. He worked at Commodore Germany, it looks like he knows a bit about it. He'd probably respond to an e-mail if you sent him one. - John

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CoCoLinux2 (should be: Dammit, Eudora!!!)

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that healyzh(a)aracnet.com may have mentioned these words: [snip on the stuff you already read... How do I change (or at least disable) Eudora's <CTRL><E> "send msg. now" sequence??? :-/ It raises hades with my Linux/Unix fingers...] >> To bring this (kinda) back on topic, is there a freeware CoCo emulator for >> Linux out there? (Actually, even a 6809-only emulator would be cool...) > >http://www.multimania.com/jth/6809.html > >Also, believe it or not, look at Xmame, it apparently can emulate the CoCo >now?!?! Thanks for the references... I'll have to check them out. I really love Jeff Vavasour's CoCo3 emulator for DOS, but multithreaded just sounds too darned cool... ;-) See ya (again... ;-) Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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old manuals and/or documentation

by tom＠cotc-consulting.com

I'm looking for some "old" reference materials. The materials include either manuals, articles, training materials, college thesis, white papers, school tests, list servers or other information that is considered in the "Public Domain". This material could be purchased, referenced, reviewed, etc. by anyone. Internal company I'm doing some research for the recent Y2K patent regarding date windowing. The materials need to have a copyright date before October 1995. If anyone would have access to any of this material and willing to share via sending the book, making some copies, ISBN numbers, etc. I would be interested in conversing with you. Specifically the materials should show an example of the date window technique (any cutoff date will do), the use in a comparison and possibly the use in a sort. The word on the street is that the reference could be found in the Clipper manuals or I've seen some indication on a web page for Quicken for Macintosh (version 1, 2, or 3). The indication discussed the method Quicken uses but did not reference any manual. I was hoping someone had the manual and could locate the reference to it within the written pages. Your help will be greatly appreciated and I look forward to hearing from you soon. Please respond back if you have information to share. Tom Renz

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PDP-11/70 for Scrap

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> wrote: > Too many around?! > > Argh. I need to move to the west coast. I'm in the DC area, and have been > [sporadically] looking for an 11/70 for ages. I had to jump on a pair of them that were being shooed out the door here in Columbus, but, to my disappointment, do not have a proper frontpanel (no switches and blinkenlights, just a start button). If it's possible to retrofit a full console into a remote-diagnostic console machine, I'd love to find a console out there (preferably from a machine that is being parted out anyway - I wouldn't want to *cause* a machine to be disassembled). -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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PDP-8L (was PDP-11/70)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 7:41 PM Subject: Re: PDP-11/70 for Scrap > > >--- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote: >> Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> wrote about PDP-11/70s: >> > I had to jump on a pair of them that... do not have a proper frontpanel >> >> The seven machines I purchased have real front panels... but... >> >> They aren't the original front panels the machines were born with. >> >> Later, the machines were upgraded to the QED-95 CPU, which replaces all >> of the CPU cards (and memory) with a four-card set... > >Wow. Quite a history. Mine were from Borden in downtown Columbus. The >guy that helped me get them, used to use them in the late 1970s. His company >(and my one-time employer) was the place I've mentioned several times that >made DEC<->IBM sync serial connectivity products. For anyone that ever would >have worked with them, they were known as COLA and COLE (COLumbus CPU "A" and >COLumbus CPU "E"), part of a once larger setup. They are identically >configured with the remote-diag console, 4Kw of MOS in one BA-11 in an >attached memory cabinet (H-960), SI9900, several Fuji Eagles and a couple of >TU-77-sized tape drives. *Those* were a bitch to move. Fortunately for me, >it was all in town - $100 in moving expenses. Maybe I'll be able to get one >back together and powered up by Spring. I'm still fiddling with my set of >PDP-8/Ls that all appear to have dirty backplanes. Do you have docs for the PDP-8Ls? I have a running desktop PDP-8L coming in next weekend and am not sure if I am getting the docs or not. john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com > >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com >

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Available: DEC RK611 Controller

by wrking＠tsoft.com

I have (most of) a RK611 controller that I don't need. This controller consists of: RK611 backplane (similar to a DD11-DK) M7900 RK06/07 Unibus interface M7901 RK06/07 register module M7902 RK06/07 control module M7903 RK06/07 data module Boot ROM for M9012 Bootstrap/Terminator Module *Note* however that the following module is missing: M7904 RK06/07 drive interface module If you're interested, make an offer. I'll probably accept it. Bill

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PDP-11/70 for Scrap

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote: > Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> wrote about PDP-11/70s: > > I had to jump on a pair of them that... do not have a proper frontpanel > > The seven machines I purchased have real front panels... but... > > They aren't the original front panels the machines were born with. > > Later, the machines were upgraded to the QED-95 CPU, which replaces all > of the CPU cards (and memory) with a four-card set... Wow. Quite a history. Mine were from Borden in downtown Columbus. The guy that helped me get them, used to use them in the late 1970s. His company (and my one-time employer) was the place I've mentioned several times that made DEC<->IBM sync serial connectivity products. For anyone that ever would have worked with them, they were known as COLA and COLE (COLumbus CPU "A" and COLumbus CPU "E"), part of a once larger setup. They are identically configured with the remote-diag console, 4Kw of MOS in one BA-11 in an attached memory cabinet (H-960), SI9900, several Fuji Eagles and a couple of TU-77-sized tape drives. *Those* were a bitch to move. Fortunately for me, it was all in town - $100 in moving expenses. Maybe I'll be able to get one back together and powered up by Spring. I'm still fiddling with my set of PDP-8/Ls that all appear to have dirty backplanes. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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No subject

by mjbarton＠erols.com

I recieved a Lexitron Word Processor at ... a yard sale. No diskettes to get the thing to run. Can you help in any way so I can either trash it or use it?? Thanks in advance

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Hyperion [WAS: Re: Looking for ]

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

>David, > >I have tangible proof that at least part of your history is wrong. I >have >a Comterm Hyperion, model number 3032, serial number 3008, date >code Aug. >83, sitting in front of me right now. It is _the same >machine_ as the >Dynalogic Hyperion. Looks just like this, except >different drive doors: > >http://www.ncsc.dni.us/fun/user/tcc/cmuseum/HYPN.HTM >Proof? The name "Comterm" on my serial number plate is actually a >metallic >sticker; underneath it says "Dynalogic Info-Tech >Corporation, Ottawa, >Canada". So the timeline must go: > >Dynalogic >Comterm >Bytec (?? never heard of them ??) > >I have _never_ heard of Commodore producing this machine - Cameron > >Kaiser's extensive "Secret Weapon's of Commodore" site - > >http://calvin.ptloma.edu/~spectre/ckb/secret/ - doesn't mention it > >either. I think your source got Comterm and Commodore mixed up. > >Regards, > >Mark Gregory Well of course you wouldn't see the Commodore Hyperion listed in the SWoC! the SWoC page deals only with 8-bits (the C= 900 being the only exeption) & intentionally excludes any C= PC clones (Which the C= Hyperion *might* be). Anyway, I saw that computer listed the Canonical List of Commodore Products, so it must exist. Besides, all I know is that it *looks* like the Dynalogic Hyperion, I was only theorizing that it *could be* the same thing. As soon as I find a site/picture of it, then I can figure out if it truly is a Dynalogic Hyperion with a Commodore nameplate on it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Teleco Question... More on my devious plan....

by edick＠idcomm.com

It would be interesting to know, precisely, what it is you intend to do. There's nothing difficult about any of the telco stuff, but unless you have a clear and well defined, as well as well-specified, goal in mind, you'll never get there. Now, if you just want to blink some LED's I'm sure you can do that. If you want to interrupt your LINUX box each time the phone rings, you can do that in a number of ways. If you want to make a phone ring, that's easy too. I've looked through a lot of discussion about this subject, but still have no idea in the world what exactly, it is you'd like to accomplish. Have you? Dick -----Original Message----- From: LordTyran <a2k(a)one.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Teleco Question... More on my devious plan.... >I have a schematic for a fone line emulator somehwere.. you can press a >button to make it ring and a few other things.. a bit complex and the >parts are estimated at around $100. > >However, if you can force the linux box to answer and the micro to go into >term mode, you can use 2 9V batteries in series on one side of a phone >wire going between the modems. > >Kevin > >On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Arfon Gryffydd wrote: > >> First, Thanks to all who have helped so far... >> >> >> I have some old modems (TRS-80, acoustic and etc.) which I would like to >> use (flashing LEDs are cool) so, I want to build a little telco emulator to >> interface with the modems in one of my Linux boxes. >> >> I figure an LM556 for the dial tone... A tone decoder for dialing... Not >> sure an easy way to decode pulse dialing. >> >> As for ring... I am thinking using two charged capacitors and switching >> them. That's the first method I came up with to limit the current cheaply. >> >> Any suggestions? I'd like to do this for less that $25.00. >> ---------------------------------------- >> Tired of Micro$oft??? >> >> Move up to a REAL OS... >> ######__ __ ____ __ __ _ __ # >> #####/ / / / / __ | / / / / | |/ /## >> ####/ / / / / / / / / / / / | /### >> ###/ /__ / / / / / / / /_/ / / |#### >> ##/____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_____/ /_/|_|#### >> # ###### >> ("LINUX" for those of you >> without fixed-width fonts) >> ---------------------------------------- >> Be a Slacker! http://www.slackware.com >> >> Slackware Mailing List: >> http://www.digitalslackers.net/linux/list.html >> >

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Teleco Question... More on my devious plan....

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Ring-------------------- | C O = Transformer coupling coil at central office I L | | -48V | ------||||----R------ | | | | | C Filter | | |-------------R------ | | GND C O = transformercoupling coil at central office I L | Tip------------------- Here is a two wire subscriber loop -oversimplified? The R's in the line are typically 200 ohms Larry Truthan -----Original Message----- From: Arfon Gryffydd [mailto:arfonrg@texas.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 4:30 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Teleco Question... More on my devious plan.... Okay forgive my ignorance but.... Q1)Which way to power a telco line? (Note: subsitute "modem" for "telephone") A) Series? --------Battery---------- | | Telephone Telephone |_________________________| or B) Shunt? ------------------------- | | | Telephone Battery Telephone |____________|____________| Shunt seems more correct but, I think the power source's filtering would filter out the audio. Q2)Which lead is NORMALLY the positive (red or green)? ---------------------------------------- Tired of Micro$oft??? Move up to a REAL OS... ######__ __ ____ __ __ _ __ # #####/ / / / / __ | / / / / | |/ /## ####/ / / / / / / / / / / / | /### ###/ /__ / / / / / / / /_/ / / |#### ##/____/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_____/ /_/|_|#### # ###### ("LINUX" for those of you without fixed-width fonts) ---------------------------------------- Be a Slacker! http://www.slackware.com Slackware Mailing List: http://www.digitalslackers.net/linux/list.html

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by edick＠idcomm.com

Gee, that's too bad . . . I don't spend money on "the industry" so I don't follow the high-tech stocks. Maybe it didn't work so well over the long run. By the time they started making disk drives, it was so costly and difficult to build anything but an exact copy of IBM's circuitry for attaching a hard disk to a PC, which was by then the only mass market remaining fairly healthy, they probably felt they had little choice but to use their own devices rather than eat them. This probably alienated their customer base, but, since it was going away anyway . . . Dick -----Original Message----- From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Free NCR tower in Miami FL. > > >On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Richard Erlacher wrote: > >> I don't know this for certain, but I was once persuaded that IBM had held >> the patent on 2,7 RLL and let it expire in '83. There were, of course, lots >> of other run-length-limited codes which would also have worked, but the 2,7 >> was so well documented and worked so well, that everyone jumped on the >> bandwagon once it became available. Of course, WD came out with a chipset >> that supported RLL almost right away, too. >> >> They lost a lot of customers when they started making disk drives, though >> they're a major player in that realm now. I guess it worked out OK for them >> (WD). > >I think that is problematic, Dick, when you look at the recent price of >their stock - now sub $4. > > - don > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeffrey l Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com> >> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers >> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 10:47 AM >> Subject: Re: Free NCR tower in Miami FL. >> >> >> > >> > >> >On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:37:24 -0700 "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> >> >writes: >> >> >MFM disk controller was made by NCR, but it looks like a 'cookbook' >> >> >design using the WD-100x chipset. >> >> > >> >> >> >> SMILE when you say that, pahdnuh! That cookbook design is what made >> >> the microwinchester drive so simple to include that anyone with two >> >grey >> >> cells and a little PLL knowledge could put together a winchester >> >> interface. That's why they became so cheap. It was the only way to do >> >your own >> >> controller at a competitive price for several years, until SMC brought >> >out >> >> their 9224 chip. Unfortunately, by that time the patent on RLL >> >recording >> >> had expired, so everybody wanted RLL. >> > >> >Well, I merely wanted to state that while NCR 'rolled their own', >> >it really wasn't anything special. The wd-100x chipset certainly >> >was revolutionary, however. That meant almost anyone with a wire-wrap >> >tool and enough parts could interface a winchester to just about >> >anything (like say, a Xerox machine?). That was a major breakthrough >> >in 1981, but by 1984 (when my machine was built), it was pretty standard. >> > >> >Who held the patent on RLL, and (consequently) lost their shirt >> >when it became standard on 'smart' disk drives? >> > >> > >> >Jeff >> > >> > >> > >> >___________________________________________________________________ >> >Why pay more to get Web access? >> >Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! >> >Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >> >> >

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by edick＠idcomm.com

I don't know this for certain, but I was once persuaded that IBM had held the patent on 2,7 RLL and let it expire in '83. There were, of course, lots of other run-length-limited codes which would also have worked, but the 2,7 was so well documented and worked so well, that everyone jumped on the bandwagon once it became available. Of course, WD came out with a chipset that supported RLL almost right away, too. They lost a lot of customers when they started making disk drives, though they're a major player in that realm now. I guess it worked out OK for them (WD). Dick -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey l Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Free NCR tower in Miami FL. > > >On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:37:24 -0700 "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> >writes: >> >MFM disk controller was made by NCR, but it looks like a 'cookbook' >> >design using the WD-100x chipset. >> > >> >> SMILE when you say that, pahdnuh! That cookbook design is what made >> the microwinchester drive so simple to include that anyone with two >grey >> cells and a little PLL knowledge could put together a winchester >> interface. That's why they became so cheap. It was the only way to do >your own >> controller at a competitive price for several years, until SMC brought >out >> their 9224 chip. Unfortunately, by that time the patent on RLL >recording >> had expired, so everybody wanted RLL. > >Well, I merely wanted to state that while NCR 'rolled their own', >it really wasn't anything special. The wd-100x chipset certainly >was revolutionary, however. That meant almost anyone with a wire-wrap >tool and enough parts could interface a winchester to just about >anything (like say, a Xerox machine?). That was a major breakthrough >in 1981, but by 1984 (when my machine was built), it was pretty standard. > >Who held the patent on RLL, and (consequently) lost their shirt >when it became standard on 'smart' disk drives? > > >Jeff > > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Why pay more to get Web access? >Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! >Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Data General MV/4000DC Documentation/Media

by Technoid＠cheta.net

I recently aquired a Data General MV/4000DC minicomputer with three 200 terminals and one 215 terminal, a 6311 tape unit and a Comswitch II access controller. I have rebuilt the tape drive and it works great now. I can boot from the onboard hard disk and navigate the system. I have gotten all 16 virtual consoles functioning. I have very little docs on this machine so pretty much have to 'hack' out anything I want to do which is slow progress. Does anyone have documentation on this machine or the AOS/VS operating system? Does anyone have SYSTEM Media for this machine? Does anyone have SOFTWARE for the machine? If I can help YOU with your classic computer questions, please let me know. I can help with: Atari 8 bits - know and have lots. Lots of software too. (450+ disks) I can help in: Networking Hard disks programming in Basic Various other languages All variants of AtariDos (MyDos, SmartDOs, etc) All Variants of Spartados including SDX Atari ST series computers - have two and am running MINT. Can help in TOS and a BSD unix clone I am running called MiNT which stands for Mint is Not Tos. CP/M 2.2 machines (z80 processor) such as ATR8000, ATR8500, Cromemco, Osborne, Kaypro, etc. I am a technician servicing Intel-based PC's so if you need support there I can help in: CP/M all versions of MS/PC dos etc, Concurrent DOS too OS/2 Windows x Windows NT SUSE and REDHAT Linux SCO Openserver V Windows NT terminal Server GEOS Sun Solaris (X86) OS/2 Warp and Warp Servers Novell Netware 2 thru 4 Lantastic Novell Netware lite 1.1 General networking questions for above operating systems and hardware. Please help with my MV4000DC. If you would like to see it you can TELNET into my PC which is running as a terminal on the MV4000 and you can play with the minicomputer that way! Just e-mail me and we will set up a time. Thanks in advance, Technoid Mutant -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey S. Worley Technical Services Bits & Bytes Computer Services Inc. 1979B Hendersonville Road Asheville, NC 28803 828-684-8953 - voice 0900-1700 five days 828-687-9284 - 24hr fax Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk? Technoid(a)Cheta.net -----------------------------------------------------------

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Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > You can safely let the air in (or vacuum out) of a CRT by breaking the > "tit" on the back end of the CRT where the air was evacuated. It may be > covered by the plug for the electrical connections. If it is then just > break the plug off. The glass is very thin there and I've seen may people > just use a karate chop motion with almost any metal object to break the end > of the tit off. That will let the air in and the rest of the tube stays > intact. I just did that accidentally to a Mac SE. :-( I was trying to remove a cable from the innards and my hand slipped and wacked the board on the back of the CRT and skewed it far enough to bust that little tit. Now I have *more* spare Mac parts. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:35:04 -0000 Julian Richardson <JRichardson(a)softwright.co.uk> writes: > Unisys also made the same machines at one point but with different > badges on the front apparently, plus NCR had 'internal' model > numbers (I guess that's what 1632 is!). Okay, so now I have to go into the basement, and re-read the serial plate. NCR's numbering scheme is *not* intuitive. > I've hooked one of these things up to a 10Mbps LAN before along with > a Linux box and run remote X programs and stuff, so they do talk > TCP/IP quite happily. I think that mostly applies to the '020 machines and higher. When I first got my machine, I was told that it didn't really support TCP/IP. >Not sure about the MMU - I think by the time things had > progressed to the 68030 the MMU was built in?? (I easily could be > wrong there; aside from the Amiga 500 I haven't had much dealing with > 68xxx chips). I'm pretty sure that's the case. The 68010 was kinda like the 80286-- some memory management was there, but it was considered kinda brain-dead. The 68020 was the real breakthrough. Operating systems for the 680x0 really took off after that. > The system boards on these things are huge though - something like > 1x4 feet if I remember correctly. That's about right. I have a complete set of spares in my closet. The system board is *huge*. > My system had sat idle for a while and > didn't boot the last time I tried it about a year ago; I'm hoping > that's something simple rather than a crack in one of the boards > somewhere. Now you've got me worried. I really ought to take time to fire up the thing. Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:37:24 -0700 "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> writes: > >MFM disk controller was made by NCR, but it looks like a 'cookbook' > >design using the WD-100x chipset. > > > > SMILE when you say that, pahdnuh! That cookbook design is what made > the microwinchester drive so simple to include that anyone with two grey > cells and a little PLL knowledge could put together a winchester > interface. That's why they became so cheap. It was the only way to do your own > controller at a competitive price for several years, until SMC brought out > their 9224 chip. Unfortunately, by that time the patent on RLL recording > had expired, so everybody wanted RLL. Well, I merely wanted to state that while NCR 'rolled their own', it really wasn't anything special. The wd-100x chipset certainly was revolutionary, however. That meant almost anyone with a wire-wrap tool and enough parts could interface a winchester to just about anything (like say, a Xerox machine?). That was a major breakthrough in 1981, but by 1984 (when my machine was built), it was pretty standard. Who held the patent on RLL, and (consequently) lost their shirt when it became standard on 'smart' disk drives? Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Looking for...

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

> >I am looking for the following items. (Get ready, this is going to be a > >pretty varied list!) > > > >----Pictures of Computers---- > >Commodore Hyperion (looks like a Dynalogic Hyperion, & could be the same > >thing?) > > >Do you mean a ComTerm Hyperion? AFAIK, Comterm was the Canadian >company >that manufactured the Hyperion for a while, not Commodore. >Commodore >didn't get into the PC clone business until the PC-10 >(unless you >count the A1000 Sidecar). > >Regards, >Mark No, I don't mean the ComTerm Hyperion. When I said Commodore Hyperion, I'm not bullsh!tting, I actually mean Commodore Hyperion. All I know is that it looks like the Dynalogic Hyperion. By the way, ComTerm didn't make the Hyperion, a company called Dynalogic did. It sold relatively well (well, considering the state of the IBM clone market in early 1983). Not too long after they released the Hyperion, they were bought out by a company called Bytec, & they sold the Hyperion under the Bytec name. Later still, Compaq released the famous Compaq Portable, & we all know what happened from there (wither Bytec/Dynalogic). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> One of the machines is still in service so, I'll look at the console >> conections on that system. The owner also stated that he has a "cable" that >> supports up to 4 terminals. That should make it simple. woah - our email system's actually running at something faster than a crawl!! :) My memory's hazy on this but I seem to recall the following: There's two connectors on the back of the machine labelled 'A' and 'B' - one a 9-pin connector and one a 15-pin. 'A' is for the console terminal and 'B' is for a remote diagnostic modem (ie. a remote terminal). Regular serial lines are of two forms: a bunch of 15-pin connectors at the back, or a smaller number of larger connectors (I seem to remember my 700 having the latter but the serial card I have that I pulled from that old 400 has the former). I think what the current owner of 'your' machine has is a breakout box which converts one big connector to several smaller, individual serial lines. I *think* via software you could say where the console was - on the dedicated console port (which plugged into the system backplane if I remember right), or on one of the serial board's tty lines. I'm not sure if there were restrictions in doing this; I suppose there's nothing special about port 'A' - it's just that a machine might not have any serial boards installed. Corrections to that are welcome from other list members, as it's been several years since I seriously played with one of these systems! bye! Jules >

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> > the console connection was a bit strange I seem to remember and needed > a custom cable - I do have pinouts someplace if needed... > the BNC connector at the base of the machine (I think all Towers had > these?) is for some sort of remote power control (certainly my '700 will > keep memory contents refreshed in a power cut for several hours) - don't > plug an ethernet network in here as you'll likely fry something quite > nicely!! > One of the machines is still in service so, I'll look at the console conections on that system. The owner also stated that he has a "cable" that supports up to 4 terminals. That should make it simple. See Ya, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Wednesday, December 08, 1999 10:31 AM, Jeffrey l Kaneko [SMTP:jeff.kaneko@juno.com] wrote: > > > > Since these aren't just PC clones, I'm gonna go ahead a grab em. > > Don't really need more *junk* laying around, but what the heck. They > > aren't too far away and I do have a pickup truck. > > If they're anything like the one I have, a small forklift would be > *very* helpful. These suckers weigh a *ton*. I think I have a > Model 1632 (it's been awhile since I've looked). 4mb, 68010 > @ 10MHz, MFM drives. Runs SVR3. Won't even support *BSD. Bummer. > Got a message back from the owner stating that the 400 can be managed by one man. I might pick that one up this weekend. Apparently, the 450 is considerably bigger and heavier. Since it won't be available for a couple of months, I'll have time to do some planning. See Ya, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by edick＠idcomm.com

-----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey l Kaneko <jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Free NCR tower in Miami FL. >MFM disk controller was made by NCR, but it looks like a 'cookbook' >design using the WD-100x chipset. > SMILE when you say that, pahdnuh! That cookbook design is what made the microwinchester drive so simple to include that anyone with two grey cells and a little PLL knowledge could put together a winchester interface. That's why they became so cheap. It was the only way to do your own controller at a competitive price for several years, until SMC brought out their 9224 chip. Unfortunately, by that time the patent on RLL recording had expired, so everybody wanted RLL. Dick

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> If they're anything like the one I have, a small forklift would be >> *very* helpful. These suckers weigh a *ton*. yep, that sounds familiar :) >> I think I have a >> Model 1632 (it's been awhile since I've looked). 4mb, 68010 >> @ 10MHz, MFM drives. Runs SVR3. Won't even support *BSD. Bummer. Unisys also made the same machines at one point but with different badges on the front apparently, plus NCR had 'internal' model numbers (I guess that's what 1632 is!). > >> These use Multibus cards, I think NCR used an Emulex ethernet >> controller, supporting NCR's own arcane networking protocol. The >> install tape I have for it implies that this beast supported an MMU, >> though (although mine is not so equipped). ANyone know how they did >> this? I've hooked one of these things up to a 10Mbps LAN before along with a Linux box and run remote X programs and stuff, so they do talk TCP/IP quite happily. Not sure about the MMU - I think by the time things had progressed to the 68030 the MMU was built in?? (I easily could be wrong there; aside from the Amiga 500 I haven't had much dealing with 68xxx chips). The system boards on these things are huge though - something like 1x4 feet if I remember correctly. My system had sat idle for a while and didn't boot the last time I tried it about a year ago; I'm hoping that's something simple rather than a crack in one of the boards somewhere. >> According to my manuals, the TOWER supported SCSI and ESDI drives. >> I speculate that they used off-the-shelf multibus boards for these; >> the tape controller is a stock unit made by CIPRICO (IIRC). The >> MFM disk controller was made by NCR, but it looks like a 'cookbook' >> design using the WD-100x chipset. not sure about the SCSI controller - I remember it having a fair amount of cache memory on it and quite a few processor chips of assorted kinds. I actually have the MFM controller with me at home (along with a serial IO board) but the rest of the Tower stuff is back at my folks place. to the original poster: the console connection was a bit strange I seem to remember and needed a custom cable - I do have pinouts someplace if needed... the BNC connector at the base of the machine (I think all Towers had these?) is for some sort of remote power control (certainly my '700 will keep memory contents refreshed in a power cut for several hours) - don't plug an ethernet network in here as you'll likely fry something quite nicely!! cheers Jules >

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:31:48 -0500 Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> writes: > > Thanks for the info Jules :-) > > Since these aren't just PC clones, I'm gonna go ahead a grab em. > Don't really need more *junk* laying around, but what the heck. They > aren't too far away and I do have a pickup truck. If they're anything like the one I have, a small forklift would be *very* helpful. These suckers weigh a *ton*. I think I have a Model 1632 (it's been awhile since I've looked). 4mb, 68010 @ 10MHz, MFM drives. Runs SVR3. Won't even support *BSD. Bummer. These use Multibus cards, I think NCR used an Emulex ethernet controller, supporting NCR's own arcane networking protocol. The install tape I have for it implies that this beast supported an MMU, though (although mine is not so equipped). ANyone know how they did this? According to my manuals, the TOWER supported SCSI and ESDI drives. I speculate that they used off-the-shelf multibus boards for these; the tape controller is a stock unit made by CIPRICO (IIRC). The MFM disk controller was made by NCR, but it looks like a 'cookbook' design using the WD-100x chipset. Years ago, I passed on an upgrade kit to make it into a 68020. Another one of those overpriced 'Wierdstuff' deals (sigh). Jeff ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

> > I'd say they're worth having if you have space and can transport them > (pretty heavy beasts). You may be lucky enough to get an ethernet > controller or two as well - I gather that these aren't too common - then > they'll hook up to just about anything. > > Oh, if you get a chance can you see if there's any OS tapes lying > around?? I haven't got installation media for my 700 so when one of the > disks goes I'm in trouble... I'm not sure how NCR shipped OS tapes and > whether one tape would cover a series of Tower systems or not... > > cheers > > Jules > Thanks for the info Jules :-) Since these aren't just PC clones, I'm gonna go ahead a grab em. Don't really need more *junk* laying around, but what the heck. They aren't too far away and I do have a pickup truck. I'll ask about the OS installation tapes if they're available, I'll let you know. See ya, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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I need...

by devilmaster＠fastermail.com

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by JRichardson＠softwright.co.uk

>> available soon. He says one is a "NCR 400" and the other is a "NCR 450". >> Both have non-functional tape drives (don't know the problem) and are >> running SCO Unix. >> Does anyone know anything about these machines? Hmm, I don't think any of the Tower series are PC-based clones; they're all fully-functional Unix boxes. I didn't know they'd run SCO though, my Tower runs NCR's SVR3. I scrapped what I seem to remember was a Tower 400 about 6 years ago; it had a tape drive in it (custom controller I think), MFM disks (about 200MB worth), think it was a 68010 CPU. I've got a Tower 700 which was a later model - 32MB main memory (actually 39MB ECC), 68030, 8 serial lines, 780MB SCSI (2 disks), 10Mbps ethernet, 150MB tape (also SCSI). There may have been a SCSI option for the 400 series. I have a few docs somewhere which I might be able to hunt down if you need more info. Certainly the 700 I have is quite a nice machine - there's enough 68xxx series processors in it for all the subsystems that it runs pretty nicely. I was lucky enough to have X Windows installed too. I can't speak for the 400 that I broke up as one of the disks in it was toasted so I never saw it running. I'd say they're worth having if you have space and can transport them (pretty heavy beasts). You may be lucky enough to get an ethernet controller or two as well - I gather that these aren't too common - then they'll hook up to just about anything. Oh, if you get a chance can you see if there's any OS tapes lying around?? I haven't got installation media for my 700 so when one of the disks goes I'm in trouble... I'm not sure how NCR shipped OS tapes and whether one tape would cover a series of Tower systems or not... cheers Jules >

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Stiction (was Re: Busting CRTs)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: I wrote: > > I still have a Quantum PD1800S that has stiction. > Ethan, my curious: that HD, did it run hot or bit too much warm? > That is the primary problem. PD1800S is old design and runs hot. > Did that HD sit all cooped up behind bezel or internally? It was the only drive in a SPARC 1 (then moved to a SPARC 2, now it's on top of a Sparc LX in its own case) It works fine, it just glues the heads down to the platters on power-down. I don't power it off on purpose, but we lost power for six hours last month, and *grab*. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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CliniComp Computer and IP address

by musicman38＠mindspring.com

Subject: Re: CliniComp Computer and IP address >Hmm... I've never seen any of the systems like you describe, but I would >guess that the RJ45 jack is probably just standard 10Base-T Ethernet >(or if the machine is really strange, Token Ring, but I would doubt that). >If you've got a small network onhand with a machine capable of serving >BOOTP, you might want to try turning on the BOOTP server to see if >you can pick up the request from the machine (BOOTP is a rather standard >way of doing such things).. you could pick up the MAC address of the >system's Ethernet device by running a sniffer like TCPdump when it >is broadcasting looking for an IP. > >_NO_ idea what this little bugger might have ran, though.. perhaps some >variety of stylus-enabled DOS/Win 3.1 or something along those lines, >i'd imagine. > >-Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) As far as the Network Interface is concerned I have seen Network cards that also had auto boot eproms on them so the intended computer did not need a Floppy or a Hard Drive to attach to the server. I think this may be the same setup.. The whole computer sort of looks like a Picture Frame its only 2 inches deep and measures 15 by 15 inches.. The whole computer is inside this little frame. Very rugged and expensive looking, as most medical equipment usually is.. The fact it has a 286 processor I am hopeful it used DOS as an OS, but there is no way at this point to tell. If it does not than it is worthless to me.... This computer has an excellent Display and I think displayed some sort of medical graphics on it. One of the finest Displays I have ever seen for its age. It has an eprom that I would think has the whole Boot strap programmed on it including the serial number on it, that also shows up on the display as it boots, but who knows what OS this little bugger used. It also has 3 other eprom sockets unoccupied.. I see that CliniComp, has a website at www.Clinicomp.com , but I do not see this machine on it, no doubt discontinued.. Would be nice if I could find a Tech Person at the site willing to get me some info on it, but that may be a long shot.. Anyway thanks for the ideas, I will try them.. Phil..

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Hyperion [WAS: Re: Looking for ]

by gregorym＠cadvision.com

David, I have tangible proof that at least part of your history is wrong. I have a Comterm Hyperion, model number 3032, serial number 3008, date code Aug. 83, sitting in front of me right now. It is _the same machine_ as the Dynalogic Hyperion. Looks just like this, except different drive doors: http://www.ncsc.dni.us/fun/user/tcc/cmuseum/HYPN.HTM Proof? The name "Comterm" on my serial number plate is actually a metallic sticker; underneath it says "Dynalogic Info-Tech Corporation, Ottawa, Canada". So the timeline must go: Dynalogic Comterm Bytec (?? never heard of them ??) I have _never_ heard of Commodore producing this machine - Cameron Kaiser's extensive "Secret Weapon's of Commodore" site - http://calvin.ptloma.edu/~spectre/ckb/secret/ - doesn't mention it either. I think your source got Comterm and Commodore mixed up. Regards, Mark Gregory -----Original Message----- From: David Vohs <netsurfer_x1(a)hotmail.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Looking for... >> >I am looking for the following items. (Get ready, this is going to be a >> >pretty varied list!) >> > >> >----Pictures of Computers---- >> >Commodore Hyperion (looks like a Dynalogic Hyperion, & could be the same >> >thing?) >> >> >>Do you mean a ComTerm Hyperion? AFAIK, Comterm was the Canadian company >>that manufactured the Hyperion for a while, not Commodore. Commodore >>didn't get into the PC clone business until the PC-10 (unless you >>count the A1000 Sidecar). >> >>Regards, >>Mark > >No, I don't mean the ComTerm Hyperion. When I said Commodore Hyperion, I'm >not bullsh!tting, I actually mean Commodore Hyperion. All I know is that it >looks like the Dynalogic Hyperion. > >By the way, ComTerm didn't make the Hyperion, a company called Dynalogic >did. It sold relatively well (well, considering the state of the IBM clone >market in early 1983). Not too long after they released the Hyperion, they >were bought out by a company called Bytec, & they sold the Hyperion under >the Bytec name. Later still, Compaq released the famous Compaq Portable, & >we all know what happened from there (wither Bytec/Dynalogic). > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >

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CliniComp Computer and IP address

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

Hmm... I've never seen any of the systems like you describe, but I would guess that the RJ45 jack is probably just standard 10Base-T Ethernet (or if the machine is really strange, Token Ring, but I would doubt that). If you've got a small network onhand with a machine capable of serving BOOTP, you might want to try turning on the BOOTP server to see if you can pick up the request from the machine (BOOTP is a rather standard way of doing such things).. you could pick up the MAC address of the system's Ethernet device by running a sniffer like TCPdump when it is broadcasting looking for an IP. _NO_ idea what this little bugger might have ran, though.. perhaps some variety of stylus-enabled DOS/Win 3.1 or something along those lines, i'd imagine. -Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

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Intel Intellec 8 computer?????

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi, Can anyone tell me more about what this is? Joe

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CliniComp Computer and IP address

by aek＠spies.com

">After bootup is says "Requesting an IP Address", it repeats this >over several times and then reboots to restart all over again. " -- "Problem is I have no way of knowing what IP address it is looking for.. " It's trying to OBTAIN an IP address from the net. If you have something capable of sniffing the net, see if it is trying to contact a DHCP server.

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CliniComp Computer and IP address

by philclayton＠mindspring.com

Subject: CliniComp Computer and IP address >By all I can tell its a workstation with a network boot rom that >allows it to look for a network server. >After bootup is says "Requesting an IP Address", it repeats this >over several times and then reboots to restart all over again. > >Anyone have any suggestions how I can get around this, and if >there is no way to get around this, If I set up another computer >as a server would it find it and connect to it as a workstation ? > >This thing is really neat, and I have a great use for it in my >home automation project, so I hope I can use it. >The display is large and very good quality for a flat panel. >Thanks in advance to anyone with some suggestions.. After closer inspection of this computer I am convinced it is intended as a workstation only. But is a very nice computer, with the best resolution I have ever seen on an LCD screen. Problem is I have no way of knowing what IP address it is looking for.. Again after its normal bootup it says "Requesting an IP Address" It has a standard RJ45 connector on it for network interfacing. Can anyone here with some network experiance help me out on this. Can I get this thing to work or is it not possible ? I would like to set up one of my other computers as a possible server and see if it will attach to it.. Thanks in advance to anyone with some suggestions.. Phil...

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Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: jpero(a)cgocable.net <jpero(a)cgocable.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback) > >--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > >> >I just did that accidentally to a Mac SE. :-( I was trying to remove a > >> >cable from the innards and my hand slipped and wacked the board on the > >> >back of the CRT and skewed it far enough to bust that little tit. > >That was me. I heard this unmistakable noise and just sat there, a victim > >of my own carelessness. Me too! Except that is generic mono monitor. The chassis was too flexiable and it tipped down, slewing that CRT board. Snap+hiss! Replaced it at my expenese out of my only working monitor. :-O > > > >> The SEs also had those bad hard drives... the Principal > >> Secretary actually had a large screw driver next to his SE... Every time > the > >> drive wouldn't spin up he would beat the crap out of it. Apple came down > and > >> they agreed to replace all the flaky hard drives free immediately. > > > >I still have a Quantum PD1800S that has stiction. I paid $1100 for it new > >and they didn't consider it to be a warrantable problem. I'll never buy > from > >them again. > > The primary cause is bad cooling for those hot running HDs, I'm not putting the Quantum in with that offenders for that problems, it wasn't the bearing, it was grabby platters. True cause are too many spin ups and shutdowns, letting it run too hot caused the grabby platters. Grabby platters happens because the lube ran out from center by flinging action when real hot. Heads happens to park at inner cylinders and you'll know what happens... > This brings back really funny memories. Every so often I'd get called out to ...Snip!... > come up to their Mac and punch it really hard. [you *had* to see their > faces.]. Then. hear the drive spin up and walk away. That punching that thing is what jarred free those grabby platters. That is only treating the symtoms. The true fix is new HD and new 3.9uF 250V NP cap & yoke male connector, resolder the trouble spots. Use screensaver always. Customers pays the backup job and teach them to do it regliously. --------------- Yes and that is what Quantum did. We always used screen savers (home brewed for security), and getting users to backup or even server based backups are headaches... Most people don't like to do it.. most forget to leave their computer off.. we sent them warnings and they did not care until they lost everything. > Those quantum drives were awful. As back up policies were rarely adhered to > it was my job to pull the drives apart and get the data out at any cost.... It wasn't the quantum's problems. I see Conners and few others that were being cooking inside those hot boxens without good cooling go bad. The best solution is cooler running HDs for those boxens that do have poor cooling design. --------------------- No other drive (and we had every mac and every possible drive including): Conners Quantum IBM i think Seagate had this problem BUT quantum. In fact, we never had a sticky platter in 10 years across a few thousand computers except for quantum. > (were talking replacing the motor). A rep and engineer from quantum came by > to see what I was doing.... They weren't going to replace the new drive that > I had cannibalized until they were told we had enough of their broken > garbage.. Wow. HOW on earth that is possible!? the motor spindle casing is pressed into spindle axle. That casing has to go in order to get at coil assembly. Yes I played with those dead quantum 40S, 80S and any 105S HH 3.5" ones that used both optical + sectors feedback tracking. These dead ones died bec of grabby platters getting too great to overcome and platters starts to lose data bits and the bearings were still good and like new. Those ones that overheated platters looks defect-free, no 4-pits and no crash trackings but difference is it lost the surface lube/finish. ----------------------------------------------------------- If I could not spin the platter by hand I would remove the platters and put them in a new drive. We have a clean room for that purpose. It got impossible on the larger, newer drives. There is a data recovery shop in North Bay that does this kind of work too. After getting the drive spun up I would use a SCSI util to make an image copy of what it could to a new drive. Sometimes when the data was really badly beaten or the dir was toasted I wrote some apps that would seek out known headers and copy huge blocks and try and put the data back together. Our communications server went down once and we lost all of our PageMaker files. The drive had destroyed most of the directory entries.... so I was pulling off huge chunks of pagemaker files and putting them back together. Other projects of interest I had to do back in the early '90s were : Screen Saver & Shredder (write 3 times over data put in trash) - If I remember correctly I patched the "DrawMenuBar".. this handled the screen saver [security]. The shredder of course wiped out all file data 3X when trash was emptied. Patch System File - RESOURCE was ZSYS or SYSZ?? (It's been a while..1992)... all assembly language.. This program had to be able to attach itself to other computers on other nets and report back by talking to a major public domain server. It checked the server for "remote commands" inside a hypercard file and executed them. It was 2.4K (68000). It also had to get around Sam Intercept... that was pretty easy. This will probably be in a book in 2004 when I can talk about it in detail. many other projects but too recent to list yet. --- Even fabled Barracudas die from heat. I recently aquired one that is still good (ST12550N) and experimented on it. Heated up like mad without airflow. Still will heat up even case w/ hd inside with some airflow. Noted that and knew this by reputation and I put a muffin fan at front end blowing on the "steel cage" and allowing free air rush across the top circuit. Cool temp as it should be with this simple fan solution. > > I still have a Quantum PD1800S that has stiction. I paid $1100 for > it new and they didn't consider it to be a warrantable problem. > I'll never buy from them again. > > > -ethan Ethan, my curious: that HD, did it run hot or bit too much warm? That is the primary problem. PD1800S is old design and runs hot. Did that HD sit all cooped up behind bezel or internally? My HDs now are mounted in new ways with bigger open or 3.5" bezel left off and they run at room temp or less. INCLUDING that "new" WD 9.1GB expert 7200rpm. The old LPS 540 is still living daily serving as data archival along with bit more warmer fireball EX. CR, CX and any fireballs run bit more warm or hot when cooling is poor. ---------------------- I have lost 4 Micropolis 4345WS drives over the past couple of years due to heat. I gave up on standard mouting and just stuffed an old mini fan right above it. john http://www.pdp8.com/ Wizard > john

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Nostalgic note [Was: Re: Amiga 500, 2000 serial ports: The same?]

by owad＠applefritter.com

>They bought the rights to the Amiga hardware and software from a defunct >predecessor, made grandiose announcements (about new products, porting the >OS, and reviving the line), got everybody's hopes up, and then dropped the >whole thing because it was too little too late and/or uneconomic to serve >the declining base of Amiga users. Same thing that Amiga International, >Escom, and several others have done since Commodore went bankrupt. Gateway >just hurts more because they were: A) the most recent B) rich enough to be >a credible hope C) possibly the last, best hope. I can't imagine another >major company bidding on the rights to the Amiga after so many others have >failed. >A sad end to a nice OS that still multi-tasks better than most. Actually, there's still a bit of hope yet. Eternal Computing is interested in getting AmigaOS running on the PowerPC Open Platform, as can be seen at <http://www.eternalcomputing.com/psys/platforms/platforms.html>. And Schmidt of Amiga writes: "I remain committed to seek out partners who are interested in developing a next-generation Amiga computer and operating system." So there's still a chance. Tom Owad ------------------------------Applefritter------------------------------ Apple Prototypes, Clones, & Hacks - The obscure, unusual, & exceptional. ---------------------<http://www.applefritter.com/>---------------------

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Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/7/1999 2:39:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, mikeford(a)socal.rr.com writes: > What about PS/2 systems? > My salvage guy is sitting at $3 each as-is on the pallet (maybe 100+ units) > from 386 to 486 of mixed content (many I hope to find reasonably complete). > I have about zero interest in the 386 and below (except for a few with > kingston 486 upgrade chips), but would like to harvest the ram etc. out of > the others leaving him motherboards and chassis. My guess is that he is > giving me baloney and that his "buyer" at $3 each doesn't in fact want the > PS/2 pallets at all, just the compaq and HP vectra. Opinion? Actuall most of the Compaq and HP Vecra is scrap. There is more demand for PS/2 on the secondary market. "No one ever got fired for buying IBM." $3 each is a good price. Most of the value is in the ram and CPU chip. After you pull that there is little value left. Current motherboards use little gold. The plastic, frame and power supply are liabilities. It costs more to pay someone to take it apart than you get for the materials. Yes, there are buyers out there for these systems by the pallet load. I have someone that wants more than a 1000 PS2s The price they are offering are similar. I have someone that will buy 10,000 Pentium 90s or better. This is for the CPU box only. > > Have any of you contacted some of the scrap or recycling organizations > (trade groups etc.)? There has to be some "computer scrapper weekly" too. There is no computer scrapper weekly that I know of. The margins are too small to support a publication. There are several magazines that cater to scrap metals and recycling. However computer stuff is a very small part of the waste stream. There is an online group called "Tradeloop" of the dealers I am talking about. The subscription to the group is $50 per month. These are large computer dealers trading among themselves. >

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CliniComp Computer and IP address

by philclayton＠mindspring.com

Today I aquired a very unusual computer called "CliniComp" I am guessing it was used in a Hospital critical care unit. It is a flat panel display with the whole computer (a 286) built in its small case, I have never seen anything like it before. Its memory (72pin) and I/O ports, Serial, Printer, Network Interface are all built in, It does not have a hard drive or floppy drive built in. By all I can tell its a workstation with a network boot rom that allows it to look for a network server. When I power it up it does a normal PC boot like memory check, and CMOS check, then displays : "Requesting an IP Address", it repeats this over several times and then reboots to restart all over again. Anyone have any suggestions how I can get around this, and if there is no way to get around this, If I set up another computer as a server would it find it and connect to it as a workstation ? This thing is really neat, and I have a great use for it in my home automation project, so I hope I can use it. The display is large and very good quality for a flat panel. Thanks in advance to anyone with some suggestions.. Phil

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Intel Intellec 8 computer?????

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/7/1999 11:18:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, flo(a)rdel.co.uk writes: > I was recently told about radio rallies. > How do you find out where they are held? Go to a ham radio store. Ask. They should have flyers around. Paxton

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Looking for...

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

-----Original Message----- From: David Vohs <netsurfer_x1(a)hotmail.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, December 06, 1999 4:53 PM Subject: Looking for... >I am looking for the following items. (Get ready, this is going to be a >pretty varied list!) > >----Pictures of Computers---- >Commodore Hyperion (looks like a Dynalogic Hyperion, & could be the same >thing?) Do you mean a ComTerm Hyperion? AFAIK, Comterm was the Canadian company that manufactured the Hyperion for a while, not Commodore. Commodore didn't get into the PC clone business until the PC-10 (unless you count the A1000 Sidecar). Regards, Mark

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Nostalgic note [Was: Re: Amiga 500, 2000 serial ports: The same?]

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

-----Original Message----- From: Owen Robertson <mrdos(a)swbell.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Nostalgic note [Was: Re: Amiga 500, 2000 serial ports: The same?] >>BUT, how many of those users left *AFTER* the Gateway/Amiga, Inc. made the >>*BIG* announcement :^( From where I'm sitting thier announcement of a >>NextGen Amiga did more to kill the platform than anything. >> >>Of course I'm *REAL* tempted to go into that brand new Gateway store a >>couple miles from me and tell them I want to buy an Amiga 1200. > > >What exactly did Gateway do to Amiga? > > They bought the rights to the Amiga hardware and software from a defunct predecessor, made grandiose announcements (about new products, porting the OS, and reviving the line), got everybody's hopes up, and then dropped the whole thing because it was too little too late and/or uneconomic to serve the declining base of Amiga users. Same thing that Amiga International, Escom, and several others have done since Commodore went bankrupt. Gateway just hurts more because they were: A) the most recent B) rich enough to be a credible hope C) possibly the last, best hope. I can't imagine another major company bidding on the rights to the Amiga after so many others have failed. A sad end to a nice OS that still multi-tasks better than most. Mark (A1000, A500, A3000, A1200) Gregory

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Amiga 1000 Keyboard

by mrdos＠swbell.net

Does anyone know where I could get a keyboard for an Amiga 1000? Thanks, Owen

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Nostalgic note [Was: Re: Amiga 500, 2000 serial ports: The same?]

by mrdos＠swbell.net

>BUT, how many of those users left *AFTER* the Gateway/Amiga, Inc. made the >*BIG* announcement :^( From where I'm sitting thier announcement of a >NextGen Amiga did more to kill the platform than anything. > >Of course I'm *REAL* tempted to go into that brand new Gateway store a >couple miles from me and tell them I want to buy an Amiga 1200. What exactly did Gateway do to Amiga?

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Adopt a scrapper and paper tape punches.

by mrdos＠swbell.net

>I like the idea... my only question is, Where does one find such a >scrapper? Is it as simple as checking the Yellow Pages under Scrapper >or metal recovery? How do you know they deal with computers without >calling? I'd hate to get off to a bad start with one... That's what I did. I called around and eventually someone told me where all the computers go around here (Fort Worth). I called the man and he was very nice. Told me to come on by. Just be very polite, and ask him when the best time to stop by would be. Look in the Yellow Pages under Metal Recycling and Junk Dealers. Sometimes local surplus places will have things too.

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Intel Intellec 8 computer?????

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Prompt48, small box with keypad two sockets and display. It could progra <> 8748, and do a passable in circuit emulation using the romless part. < <Yep, that was the name. They had Prompt series for most <of the single chip controllers and I think they had them <for the 8085 but I don't recall if the 8086 had one. Nope 8080, 8085, 8086 they had the SDK-8x. The SDKs were minimal systems with rom, keypad and display and a breadboard area. The difference between them and the PROMPT-48 was the PROMPT was in the Intel Blue case where the SDKs were bare board kits. Of all my SBCs I have no SDKs even though I've built several of each! I was that the other house from '79 through 83 (NEC) as product enigneer for micros. < By the way, I have a Prompt2920. I'm still looking <for any i2920 parts if anyone out there has one <( not to be confused with 2900 bit slice parts ). Ah, the signal processor chips. Likely the only one you'll find is the 2910 (I think was the number) uLAW codec. Allison

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Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > >I just did that accidentally to a Mac SE. :-( I was trying to remove a > >cable from the innards and my hand slipped and wacked the board on the > >back of the CRT and skewed it far enough to bust that little tit. > > Do you know how many of those week lost at Queens Park?? One guy in my > department nailed CRTs 2 in one week... You never forget that "hissing" > sound that comes out of the unit... then the expression on the person > working on it. That was me. I heard this unmistakable noise and just sat there, a victim of my own carelessness. > The SEs also had those bad hard drives... the Principal > Secretary actually had a large screw driver next to his SE... Every time the > drive wouldn't spin up he would beat the crap out of it. Apple came down and > they agreed to replace all the flaky hard drives free immediately. I still have a Quantum PD1800S that has stiction. I paid $1100 for it new and they didn't consider it to be a warrantable problem. I'll never buy from them again. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Free NCR tower in Miami FL.

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

On Monday, December 06, 1999 2:41 PM, Bill Yakowenko [SMTP:yakowenk@cs.unc.edu] wrote: > I've got a line on an NCR tower in Miami FL. If you are > interested in picking up or paying shipping, let me know. > Please e-mail to me directly, as I've temporarily unsubscribed > (can't handle the volume). > > Cheers, > Bill. I have conversed via email with the owner and he tells me there may be two available soon. He says one is a "NCR 400" and the other is a "NCR 450". Both have non-functional tape drives (don't know the problem) and are running SCO Unix. One of the systems has an accounting package on it but, apparently that's the only software. Does anyone know anything about these machines? If they are common PC's types, I won't bother but, if there is something unique about them, I might grab em'. Thanks for any info, Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback)

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 1:36 PM Subject: Re: Busting CRTs (was Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback) > > >--- John B <dylanb(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> >I just did that accidentally to a Mac SE. :-( I was trying to remove a >> >cable from the innards and my hand slipped and wacked the board on the >> >back of the CRT and skewed it far enough to bust that little tit. >> >> Do you know how many of those week lost at Queens Park?? One guy in my >> department nailed CRTs 2 in one week... You never forget that "hissing" >> sound that comes out of the unit... then the expression on the person >> working on it. > >That was me. I heard this unmistakable noise and just sat there, a victim >of my own carelessness. > >> The SEs also had those bad hard drives... the Principal >> Secretary actually had a large screw driver next to his SE... Every time the >> drive wouldn't spin up he would beat the crap out of it. Apple came down and >> they agreed to replace all the flaky hard drives free immediately. > >I still have a Quantum PD1800S that has stiction. I paid $1100 for it new >and they didn't consider it to be a warrantable problem. I'll never buy from >them again. > Hmmm... Not a warranty problem?? They certainly changed their minds when I called them. It would not look good publicly for Quantum showing the Premier of Ontario beating the hell out of one to start it up. This brings back really funny memories. Every so often I'd get called out to in the hallway (did not do tech support but people still asked for help)... for help because someone had an unhappy SE. It would shock them to watch me come up to their Mac and punch it really hard. [you *had* to see their faces.]. Then. hear the drive spin up and walk away. Those quantum drives were awful. As back up policies were rarely adhered to it was my job to pull the drives apart and get the data out at any cost.... One day one the ministries lost some serious data to a dead quantum.. I took a new one off the shelf and used some of its parts to make the old one work (were talking replacing the motor). A rep and engineer from quantum came by to see what I was doing.... They weren't going to replace the new drive that I had cannibalized until they were told we had enough of their broken garbage.. john > >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com >

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Intel i2920 IC was Re: Intel Intellec 8 computer?????

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

I also recently came across one of these Intel SDK-2920 single-boards, but it's missing the 2920. If any 2920-equipped list member is interested in giving this board a better home, maybe we can arrange a swap. Arlen Michaels > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard W. Schauer [SMTP:rws@enteract.com] > Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 11:15 PM > > On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Dwight Elvey wrote: > > > Hi Dave > > If you are going for a complete Intel chip collection, > > this is a rare bird indeed. This was an early attempt > > by Intel to get into the telco market. It is a > > DSP chip that had an EPROM inside. It was somewhat > > I got a strange board from a previous employer (who made teleconferencing > equipment) labeled Intel SDK-2920. I fooled around with it a little bit, > not really knowing what it was. It has an 8085 for the CPU on the > "programmer" side, 1 kB of SRAM (2 2114's), a 24-character > 14-segment-per-character LED display, and of course the EPROM programmer. > On the "execute" side there are 4 analog signal channels, only one > populated, (each containing 2 2912 IC's and some passives) and then one > socket for the 2920 that runs the whole mess. And yes, I have a 2920 for > it which I think is good, because it reports "EPROM BLANK" when I try to > dump the program out of it. The die inside the 2920 is mounted cockeyed- > and it's huge, some parts of it are outside the limits of the quartz > window. > > Just letting you knwo that more of the weird stuff exists out there, > > Richard > -- Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com Nortel Networks, Ottawa, Canada voice (613) 763-2568 fax (613) 763-9344

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Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Damn, maybe I shouldn't be tossing crud like that busted VR290 in the dumpster... All of those 14" monitors are worth 3 to 5 bucks? Heck, I've probably tossed 20+ of them this year... As I write this the dumpster by my work contains 2 dead terminals, a dead VR290, and Dell guts.. the MicroVAX 3100 may, unfortunately, be joining them soon, since it won't boot and all I get is a ~ from the console :( But seriously, would it be worthwhile to save all the circut boards, monitors, etc. which I currently toss in the dumpster? I already have a bunch of automotive scrap that I know is worthwhile (i.e. engine blocks, transmissions, etc.) but is that computer junk worth it? Will J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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11/23 CPU

by Rdusza＠ci.manchester.ct.us

Is there anyone who knows where I can purchase an 11/23 CPU for an existing Computer that we use to run some process equipment here in town. We had a major failure of one of the processors and donot have any spare CPUs. The system is due to be replaced next month. I also need a name for repair of existing cpus if possible. Thanks, Robert J. Dusza, Jr. Treatment Manager (V) 1-860-647-3219 (F) 1-860-647-3150 E-mail - RDUSZA(a)CI.MANCHESTER.CT.US Manchester Water & Sewer Dept. 125 Spring St. P.O. Box 191 Manchester, CT 06045-0191

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Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Probably MUCH safer to place the CRT in a thick cardboard box and tap an ice pick or awl through the anode connector. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Joules [mailto:peter@joules0.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 7:06 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback In article <m11v9t8-000IyJC@p850ug1>, Tony Duell ...looked dangerous to me so I used the 'blanket and brick' approach as in (c) above or put the tube in a dustbin and crouched down beside the bin and used a hammer to knock off the neck keeping the bin between me and the CRT. -- Regards Pete

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Old QUBIE XT system

by simmiv＠ozemail.com.au

I've been contacted and offered an old XT compatible system called QUBIE.. The owner believes it's from the states originally.. Anyone recognise this brand of computer? Rgds, Simmi Valgeirsson Sydney Australia

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Gold price was: Re: ebay feedback

by Innfogra＠aol.com

I know this business well, having apprenticed to a scrapper for several years. He is lowballing you on prices. This is common among scrappers. However he is fairly accurate when you include labor. Final prices depend on the price of the metals that day, remember this is an international market. > > Breakage, what it sounds like the lowest grade general scrap, 2 to 4 cents/ > lb Breakage breaks down into three categories (actually more if you consider specialized breakage like telephones.) Low grade breakage is 2 to 4 cents per pound. Motor breakage (must include a motor or transformer) is 4 to 6 cents per pound. Aluminum breakage which has a high content of aluminum mixed with other metals can be up to 16 cents per pound. IBM 3380 disk drives have the aluminum platters pressed onto a steel shaft. The difficulty of separating these pieces make them Al breakage. > Cables with copper inside, power cords, data cords, etc. 6 to 8 cents/lb Wire is graded by the amount (%) of copper in them. It really pays to sort it and remove the connectors. The last wire I sold ran from 12 to 24 cents per pound. The connectors stripped of their housings and excess wire can bring up to $2 per pound > Old PC chassis that have some usefull parts, drives etc., but maybe no cpu > or memory chips. 8 cents/lb Old PCs have little value. My friend who is shipping containers overseas is getting $10 for every 486 or better box he throws in the container, they must have CPU (33mhz or better), memory and drives. They do not have to be tested or working. Anything else is steel scrap or breakage. > Just the circuit boards, 25 to 35 cents/lb Raw PC circuit cards are this price. Raw dec cards are worth considerably more. However it pays to clean the cards. If you remove the metals on the card (this includes the aluminum capacitors then the cards can be worth up to $1.50 a pound at the refiner. The last cards I sold I got $1 per pound for run of the mill and 50 cents per pound for clean PC cards. This was at the bottom of the gold market. However I get top dollar because of the job I do to clean them. The last DEC cards I sold I got $1.33 per pound. This is after all of the collectors in the area went through them and pulled anything they were interested in. Gold plated cards like the HP are worth up to $3.50 per pound. The brighter the gold the thinner it is. Circuit cards from before 1972 have gold that is much heavier plated. This is when gold was $35 per ounce. The plating was normally 40 microns. HP plated cards from the 1980s had gold at about 1 micron. These cards have to be evaluated separately It also pays to clip and collect the Tantalum capacitors. They are very heavy. The last I sold I got $4 per pound. > Aluminum that a magnet isn't attracted to. 35 cents/lb The price of Aluminum fluctuates daily. The last prices I got were .37 for painted sheet, .39 for unpainted sheet and ,36 for cast. 6061 extruded is about is about .42, 6063 clips are about .44 and 6068 disk drive platters are worth a premium. If there is any iron or other contaminates the aluminum goes as irony Al (less than 2% iron by weight) or breakage. There are other metals of interest. The water cooled mainframes have a lot of good copper that will bring 70 to 80 cents per pound. Electromagnetic shielding, called Mu (pronounced moo) metal has a high nickel content and ha a value based on the daily price of nickel. Also ALNICO magnets have a fairly high value for similar reasons. These come out of the CDC 300 meg removable disk drives and others. Stainless steel is highly prized because it is heavy and worth about 20 cents per pound. The last major metal salvaged is Palladium not Platinum. It is used heavily in computers. IBM mainframe cards demand a premium because of their use of Palladium. Some keyboards have gold contacts in them. Backplanes are usually Palladium or Gold. Big printers usually have a heavy cast Aluminum base plate. I am not mentioning the value of some of the chips on the cards. Any ceramic chip has a gold value. All plastic chips have a breakage value, even preprogrammed pals. A lot of this varies by the year of manufacture. > Untested or bad monitors > 14" about $3 to $5 > 15" My friend who ships containers overseas is getting above market for monitors. If they are at least SVGA he is getting $10, working or not. He can put up to 200 in each container. Now the minimum weight he has to get into his containers is 40,000 pounds, so he can't send too many. > 17" > 19" More, but it isn't clear how much, as testing/repair becomes more > worthwhile. He is getting $20 non-working for the 19" monitors in the container. Most of his large monitors he has serviced and sells them locally. One consideration in the prices you were quoted was labor. To evaluate a computer system you total what you will get for all of the metals then deduct for the labor to take it apart to get the metals. Many scrappers will work on a profit margin of 2 cents per pound. If they feel they can drive you from the market they will bid more than scrap if they have to. It is better to make friends with scrappers so you can make deals before the sale. We are thinking of making a video tape about evaluating scrap and another about loading containers. Anyone interested? Paxton

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