- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< What the Cosmac board? Let's see, It's 8 1/4" high x 9" deep. It has a <edge connector with about 88 contacts with what looks like .156" spacing. <There are four 1/2 AA size batteries near the top. Probably Nicads. They'r <growing white fuzz. The CPU is near the edge connector and is a RCA CDP <1802CE. It has the number 936 below the CDP number. Below it are three ZIF <sockets, two of them have 2516 EPROMs in them. To the left of the CPU are <two AMI 8039 22 pin ICs. All the other ICs are SSI. On the bottom edge it <says "TRANSYT CORP. CPU T-3020". The end opposite the edge connector has a < Any idea what it's out of? It is an 1802 CPU. the 936 is the 36th week of '79 most likely. Nope, not any of the 1802 SBC I know of and the connector was not typical of hobbiest class machines. My guess is a custom app. Allison

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IC question and hamfest finds

by aek＠spies.com

">""AMD AM9217APC". I can't find a reference to them, does anyone know >what they are?" > >2k x 8 static RAMs. Are they 24 pin? Yes. " Sorry about that. Upper left corner of page 1186 of the 1979 IC Master says "ROM" not "RAM" gee... wonder what the bits in the ROMs were for?

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IC question and hamfest finds

by aek＠spies.com

""AMD AM9217APC". I can't find a reference to them, does anyone know what they are?" 2k x 8 static RAMs. Are they 24 pin?

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Anyone have Apple IIGS software?

by manney＠hmcltd.net

Anyone have Apple IIGS software cheaply? Thanks P Manney

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IC question and hamfest finds

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 13, 14:14, Allison J Parent wrote: > <marked "AMD AM9217APC". I can't find a reference to them, does anyone know > > The only amd I could find was 9517 (DMA controller like 8237). The 92xx > series has memories so it could be ram or prom type device. > > <what they are? Also they say "Proto" below the IC number. Does that mean > <that these are prototypes? > > Very likely. AMD used 91xx for RAM, 92xx for mask ROM (with a couple of exceptions), and 97xx for EPROM. AM9217 is an NMOS 2048 x 8-bit ROM; A is the speed (550ns), P means 24-pin plastic, C means commercial temperature range (0-70 Celcius). Pinout is the same as an 8316, 2716 compatible, but the chip selects on pins 18,20,21 can be specified either active-high or active-low. The AM9217 was superceded in the late 70's by the AM9218. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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IC question and hamfest finds

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Other finds include some kind of CPU board with a 1802 Cosmac CPU, a HP 97 Describe it more. <marked "AMD AM9217APC". I can't find a reference to them, does anyone know The only amd I could find was 9517 (DMA controller like 8237). The 92xx series has memories so it could be ram or prom type device. <what they are? Also they say "Proto" below the IC number. Does that mean <that these are prototypes? Very likely. Allison

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More interesting TK50 fun

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Feb 13, 8:46, Clint Wolff (VAX collector) wrote: > On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Chuck McManis wrote: > > > 1) Does the Red Light/Button on the right hand side in the "out" position > > mean "unload" ? Yes, but watch the LEDS. > Off means unlocked (you can lift the handle and remove the tape) > Off also means no power (you can't lift the handle and remove the tape) > On steady means tape loaded > Flashing means rewinding or unloading or error (Grrrr) > > > 2) When does the green light come on (except on power up when it is > > unloaded.) ? > > When the tape is loaded and ready You really need to look at both LEDs together. Here's the table from the User's Guide: Green Red Drive state -------------------------------------------------------------------- Off Off power off Off On 1. After power-on, this condition occurs for 5-15s while the drive is initializing. (Red goes off and green comes on after initialization.) 2. Indicates handle is up, following cartridge insertion. 3. Indicates tape has almost completeed rewinding, and is approaching the unload point. Red stays on during this sequence (8-10s). On Off OK to lift handle NOTE: Only under this condition is it safe to lift the handle. Under any other condition, lifting the handle may damage the unit or cause a fault. On On Tape is at BOT and drive ready to accept system commands. Flash On Indicates tape motion during normal system operation. Flash Flash Tape is rewinding to BOT. Flash Fast Indicates a fault condition. See Chapter 5, Solving Flash Problems. Pushing the LOAD/UNLOAD switch FOUR times may clear the fault. Chapter 5 suggests trying the four-presses two or three times. If that doesn't work, power off and then on (it says to do this only once, actually). If that doesn't work, it suggests calling your system administrator, Field Service, or removing the drive to send to a Service Centre. Not very informative or helpful, really. The only chapter that's shorter is Chapter 4, "Uses For The TK50". The load sequence is: If the power is off, make sure the LOAD/UNLOAD button is in the OUT (unload) position, and power up the drive. Let the drive initialise: the red LED should be on for between 5 and 15 seconds, and then the green LED comes on and the red one goes off. When the green LED is on and the red is off, lift the handle. "Caution: never lift the handle if the red LED is on or blinking." "Smoothly and completely insert the cartridge." [the manual doesn't say where, but I'd be tempted to find the nearest convenient member of the TK50 design team, and ask them to turn round...] When it locks in place, the red LED should go on and the green LED off. Lower the handle. After several seconds, the green LED should come on steady, and the red LED should go off. At this point, it's safe to operate the handle again to remove the cartridge, or continue to load the tape. Push in the LOAD/UNLOAD switch (the LOAD position is IN). The tape shuold go through the load process, taking 5-8 seconds. Both LEDs come on steady when it reaches BOT. To unload a cartridge: Set the LOAD/UNLOAD switch to OUT (UNLOAD position). If the tape isn't already at BOT, both LEDs will flash *slowly* while it rewinds. If the tape was very cose to BOT, you might not see them flash. The red LED comes on while the tape is unloading from BOT. This should take 8-10 seconds, then the red LED should go off and the green should come on. When the red LED is off and the green is on, left the handle, which partially ejects the cartridge. ----- The manual has some diagrams showing how the tape leader in the cartridge should look, and how the take-up leader in the drive should be. From what you wrote, I don't think you have any problems here, but for the sake of completeness... I'm not going to attempt ASCII art for this, and I'm afraid I can't get at a scanner ATM, so I'll try to describe them: Cartridge: Looking at it right-side-up, with the edge with the door towards you and the hinge at the right, you should be able to release the door lock by lifting up the release. Swing open the door; you should see the leader on the left, with *nearly* all of the eye in the leader showing. Drive: With the handle down, looking into the cartridge slot, you should see the take-up leader, with its notch roughly in the middle of the slot. To the left of that notch, the take-up leader should be a little less than 1/2" wide; to the right of the notch it narrows to a fraction of that (maybe an 1/8"), with a sort of fat arrow-head on the end. A little hook on an arm behind the takeup leader (called the buckling link) should be hooked through the notch. Just at the back of the hook, on the buckling link, are a couple of vertical pins which prevent the takeup leader sliding too far back up the buckling link. The narrow part of the takeup leader should all be in front of the link, and straight; it should not be displaced above the link, nor tangled in it, nor unhooked. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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TI Professional Computer

by netsurfer_x1＠hotmail.com

>I've just found a TI PC circa 1983, 8088 cpu but not IBM compatible. >Can't find any references to it anywhere. > >Is the story of this and the founding of Compaq to be found anywhere >on >the net. I gather they are related. > >This one came from a very fastidious former TI employee who seems to >have >accumulated every bit of software for it he could. Includes >UCSD P-system, >CP/M 86 and Concurrent CP/M 86 as well as all the DOS >compilers of the >era. > >Hans Here is all I know about the history of the TI-PC. The TI-PC was released in 1984 not too long after the world famous TI-99/4A rolled over & died. The machine itself is a partial IBM-PC clone, but is not completely compatible as it uses a proprietary disk format (reminds me of an AT&T PC 6300/6400), & it's own version of DOS (TI-DOS, to be exact). The machine reportedly had excellent graphics hardware (for the day, anyway), & one of the best early PC keyboards anywhere. I have only seen one of these things "in the flesh", & that was a few years ago (either 1997 or 1998) in a getting repaired (!) in a Radio Shack. Despite all this, however, the machine failed to sell in large quantities & was abandoned by TI in less than a year. ____________________________________________________________ David Vohs, Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian. Computer Collection: "Triumph": Commodore 64C, 1802, Double FDD, GeoRam 512, Okimate 20. "Leela": Macintosh 128 (Plus upgrade), Nova SCSI HDD, Imagewriter II. "Delorean": TI-99/4A. "Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable. ____________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Due to the instruction set incompatibilities between the 11/20 and other >11s, will they even run RT11 V30B with 8K core? RT11 V03B ought to be OK, as long as you have enough memory. I know that 12K words core is enough (I have V03B on an 11/04 with 12K core), I suspect it will fit in 10 or 8K. If you try to run RT-11 5.5 or 5.6 on an 11/20, you'll get some complaint because EIS instructions found their way into a few utilities and drivers. This has been rectified for 5.7; see the 5.7 release notes for details. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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IC question and hamfest finds

by mikeporter＠att.net

I would be interested in those HP-85 manuals (and any other 85 stuff) if you are interested in selling them. Mike Porter > From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> > Subject: IC question and hamfest finds > > Hi, > > Mike Haas came down from jacksonville and we went to the first day of > the Orlando hamfest. Mike scored big time! No less than 6 different TRS > computers. Several are like new and in their original boxs with all the > books. He also bought several other interesting toys! > > I picked up all five of the original E&L BugBooks. Only on looks like it > was ever touched. The others are all in PERFECT condition. I also picked > up another HP 3468 digital multimeter with the HP-IL interface. :-) Also > several NEW manuals for the HP 85 computer. Also several Tektronix manuals > relating to HP-IB programming using the Tektronic 4051 computer. Also found > the user's manual for the Tektronix 4662 plotter that I have to go with my > 4051. Also found a 1982 Tektronix catalog, you can guess what it shows :-) > Other finds include some kind of CPU board with a 1802 Cosmac CPU, a HP 97 > manual and a Heathkit 4804 Byte probe. However the most surprising find > was five boxs full of Intel 1702 EPROMs. In one box I found several ICs > marked "AMD AM9217APC". I can't find a reference to them, does anyone know > what they are? Also they say "Proto" below the IC number. Does that mean > that these are prototypes? > > Joe > > ------------------------------

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More interesting TK50 fun

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, so I had an old TK50Z-GA that was marked "dead" and I ripped it apart and discovered a couple of blow caps on the "heater" board :-) (some adjunct to the PSU) replaced those and it seems to work somewhat again (I've not hooked it up to SCSI, just powered it up to see the drive light up) Anyway, I took my other drive that I was powering up on the bench and by wiggling out the TK50 connector and the power connector I can now plug this thing in an watch it in "real time." This has yielded a bit more information about the failure mode of the drive. With the cover removed I can watch what the drive is doing. This is what I've found out. The "hook up" leader was around the spool and out of the feed path. Now when powered up the drive turns the spool a bit and then starts spinning it making the leader thingy go whack whack whack on the edges. (DEC weed whacker! :-) If I re-feed the take up lead through the tape path it moves back and forth a bit and then stops with the red light flashing. [Note to Tim: My test tape is a scratch tape] Then I fed the tape in manually and hooked it up to the leader. Now the tape was taken up on the spool a bit, then it rewinds to what might be the load point and stops. Then the red button flashes. If I try the press and release a few times leaving it in the unpressed position the drive feeds some time then rewinds and stops just as the end of the actual tape (beginning of the pick up lead) reaches the capstan. [Reference Picture : http://home.mcmanis.com/images/tk50-2.jpg ] In the reference picture I circled in Orange where the leader stops and in red where I cleaned with a q-tip. I've confirmed with my IR detector that the LED in the lower right side of the picture (more toward the rear) is emitting. So several questions come to mind. I'll pop out some of the obvious ones... 1) Does the Red Light/Button on the right hand side in the "out" position mean "unload" ? 2) When does the green light come on (except on power up when it is unloaded.) ? 3) It appears that a "working" unload sequence would have the tape leader get sucked back into the tape and the 'unhooker' should engage the hook leader. Why would it stop before it got that far? --Chuck

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TI Professional Computer

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

I've just found a TI PC circa 1983, 8088 cpu but not IBM compatible. Can't find any references to it anywhere. Is the story of this and the founding of Compaq to be found anywhere on the net. I gather they are related. This one came from a very fastidious former TI employee who seems to have accumulated every bit of software for it he could. Includes UCSD P-system, CP/M 86 and Concurrent CP/M 86 as well as all the DOS compilers of the era. Hans

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Honeywell Level 6 Mainframe

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

In einer eMail vom 12.02.00 22:42:55 (MEZ) Mitteleurop?ische Zeit schreibt mrdos(a)swbell.net: > I recently acquired a Honeywell Level 6 Mainframe, printer, and numerous > terminals. I was wondering if anyone had any software, documentation, or > general knowledge of it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > I have a Bull DPS-6000, which really is a Honeywell. If there would be a correspondence between the machines, I would have docs and software. Do you have any idea if these might be the same machine ? Regards John G. Zabolitzky P.S. Any takers for the Convex so far ?

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CDC 9448 "Phoenix" Spares Kit

by edick＠idcomm.com

If anybody needs one, I've got this old suitcase-sized SMD tester. If you're planning to do any maintenance I'm told they're useful. I got this only a few weeks before getting rid of the last of my SMD hardware. That was twenty years ago. I've never had occasion to use it. THe only place I ever used SMD was on my old Systems Group S-100 setup, together with a Konan SMC-100 controller. Dick -----Original Message----- From: jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com <jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 7:42 PM Subject: CDC 9448 "Phoenix" Spares Kit >Guys: > >I have a bunch of stuf that (more or less) makes up >a spares kit for the the CDC 9448. > >Stuff includes: > >I/O Circuit Card >CNTL/MUX Card >Servo Coarse Board >Servo Fine Board >Read/Write Card >Extender Board >3 R/W Heads >Maintainence Manual (including schematics). > >As far as I can tell, all of this stuff is >new, except for maybe one of the R/W heads. >I can't use it, maybe someone here can. > >If there's any interest in this, please contact me >privately. > > >Thanks. > > >Jeff > > > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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IC question and hamfest finds

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/12/2000 7:14:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > arked "AMD AM9217APC". I can't find a reference to them, does anyone know > what they are? Also they say "Proto" below the IC number. Does that mean > that these are prototypes? > My 1983 Almac catalog says they are 16K ROMs, organized as 2048X8. The 'A' is 550 ns., 5 V., 368mW. Since they say proto I suspect they are pre-programed ROMs. Paxton

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Megan <mbg(a)world.std.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 9:28 PM Subject: Re: RX01 Bootstrap Loader > <snip>>Taken with what you mentioned elsewhere in the message, I suspect that >XXDP does PIO while RT uses interrupt-driven IO That's right. You can set the vector to anything you want (well, almost) and XXDP will boot and talk to the console - no matter the kind. M9312 will talk to a single interrupt teletype card as it too does PIO. I find that out every time I pull out a DL11-W and the vectors get messed up because the dip switches brush against another board. DEC *must* have done something for customers who did not wish to upgrade their old KL11s (M780 cards). After going through tech notes and FCOs I found that DEC switched from M780 -> M782 -> M7821 . Since a DL11-B,C,E, or -W can not be installed in the PDP-11/20 (because no +15V) a decision was made to add a G8000 module that would filter the 8V lamp voltage and use it as +15, add a couple of wires.. and a DL11 with EIA could work. As a result of RT11, DEC produced a new interrupt module M7820 (old one was M782). The new module handled two interrupts. :-) I just found a box of them :-) and the PDP-11/20 just booted RT11-V3.0B!!! and.. I just tried to boot RT11-V4.00 . Boots okay but there is not enough memory to run Basic. Those MM11-Es are a dogs breakfast. I can live with tuning 4K of core memory in a PDP-8 but tuning a bunch of core sets in a pdp-11!??!?! Yuck. executing "Show All" returns the mini is a "PDP-11/15,20 Processor".. after that it says "no device 012056". Guess I have to sysgen a 30b and a 4 for the 11/20s. >, and without the other >interrupt working, it won't work. I have an idea of how it could be made >to, though... contact me off-line... Thanks for the help... I am happy that the PDP-11/20s will continue to use the initial KL11 board set but I will contact you off list so that maybe the original M782 module can be used. john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com > > Megan Gentry > Former RT-11 Developer > >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ >| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | >| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | >| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | >| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | >| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | >| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > > >

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Megan <mbg(a)world.std.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 9:28 PM Subject: Re: RX01 Bootstrap Loader > <snip>>Taken with what you mentioned elsewhere in the message, I suspect that >XXDP does PIO while RT uses interrupt-driven IO That's right. You can set the vector to anything you want (well, almost) and XXDP will boot and talk to the console - no matter the kind. M9312 will talk to a single interrupt teletype card as it too does PIO. I find that out every time I pull out a DL11-W and the vectors get messed up because the dip switches brush against another board. DEC *must* have done something for customers who did not wish to upgrade their old KL11s (M780 cards). After going through tech notes and FCOs I found that DEC switched from M780 -> M782 -> M7821 . Since a DL11-B,C,E, or -W can not be installed in the PDP-11/20 (because no +15V) a decision was made to add a G8000 module that would filter the 8V lamp voltage and use it as +15, add a couple of wires.. and a DL11 with EIA could work. As a result of RT11, DEC produced a new interrupt module M7820 (old one was M782). The new module handled two interrupts. :-) I just found a box of them :-) and the PDP-11/20 just booted RT11-V3.0B!!! and.. I just tried to boot RT11-V4.00 . Boots okay but there is not enough memory to run Basic. Those MM11-Es are a dogs breakfast. I can live with tuning 4K of core memory in a PDP-8 but tuning a bunch of core sets in a pdp-11!??!?! Yuck. executing "Show All" returns the mini is a "PDP-11/15,20 Processor".. after that it says "no device 012056". Guess I have to sysgen a 30b and a 4 for the 11/20s. >, and without the other >interrupt working, it won't work. I have an idea of how it could be made >to, though... contact me off-line... Thanks for the help... I am happy that the PDP-11/20s will continue to use the initial KL11 board set but I will contact you off list so that maybe the original M782 module can be used. john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com > > Megan Gentry > Former RT-11 Developer > >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ >| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | >| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | >| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | >| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | >| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | >| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | >+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ > > >

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Honeywell 316s? Re: Honeywell Level 6 Mainframe

by aek＠spies.com

"What does the formatter box look like?" Pertec formatters are about 3" high very boring looking rack mounted boxes. They may have been used with an internal 2315 style disc interface in the 316. The drives themselves are 2.5 mb (or 5 if there's a fixed disc underneath the removable) 2315 style devices. If they're the original Pertec Blue, I would suspect someone would want them for their Altair 8800b's

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TK50 redux

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Well I discovered the problem. The extender arm that is engaged by the cartridge when it is inserted has been bent. (Perhaps someone tried to shove a cartridge in without the handle lifted.) Anyway, without a replacement part the TK50 is not going to work again. Strangely, I went into another pile and came up with another E4 rev TK50 that had a different problem thinking that I might get the piece I need. No such luck, the mechanisms are quite different. There must be a zillion ECOs on the TK50, I don't think any two out of 6 present are identical. Well I've got four working ones and two dead ones. Other than the leader grabber, what other parts might be good salvage? (The hulks will stay in my scrap pile but at least they are now 'down for the count.') --Chuck

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TRS-80 Manuals/software to trade.

by ernestls＠home.com

I have several TRS-80 user manuals with the original software to trade or sell. I would like to trade them for something of a vintage computer nature. I'm a general collector of vintage computers so anything of interest will be considered. If no one wants them, then I'll stick them on Ebay. These manuals are all in good condition, and the disks are all 5.25 size. 1. Model 4 Disk Sciptsit Ver. 1.00 -this is a word processing program for the TRS-80 Model 4. It lets you type, proof-read, revise, print, and save. This program is in it's original :SFD box, with the user manual, reference card, registration card, etc., and the original software disk (for TRSDOS 6.01.00.) (1983) 2. Model 4 TRSDOS 6.2 Utilities Manual -this is the original large, brown vinyl notebook binder (catalog #26-0315.) It includes the original TRSDOS 6.2 Utilities disk, in the inner sleeve pocket. (1983) 3. Model 1/3 Hard Disk Operating System Manual -this is the original large, brown vinyl notebook binder (catalog #26-1130.) This manual explains how to setup, install, and operate the Hard Disk System using LDOS, on the Model 1 and Model 3 computers. This is a thick user manual, and it includes two original disks -Model 3 Hard Disk Operating System LDOS Ver. 5.1.3, and the Model 3 Hard Disk Operating System Initialization Disk LDOS Ver. 5.1.3., in the inner sleeve. 4. Model 4 Disk System Owner's Manual -this is the original large, brown vinyl notebook binder (catalog #26-0316 I think.)This manual explains how to use the Model 4 (with floppy disks,) and how to use TRSDOS Ver. 6. It includes the original TRSDOS Ver. 6 and BASIC Interpreter Disk. (1983) 5. Model 4 VideoTex Plus User Manual -this is the original large, brown vinyl notebook binder (catalog # 26-1598.) This manual is in three parts -the Dow Jones Information Service User Guide, the CompuServe Information Service User Guide, and the VideoTex Plus User Guide. VideoTex Plus is a communications program for communicating with information services, and other host computers. It includes the original VideoTex Plus program disk for TRSDOS 6. (1983.) 6. Model 4p (portable) -original MODELA/III File program disk -for use with TRSDOS 1.3 only. (catalog # 700-3213.) 7. Several non-original program disks on Radio Shack TRS-80 Brand Floppy disks. I don't know what versions or OS these disks are but they are for the TRS-80 (Model unknown) -PFS Report on bootable disk -PFS File on bootable disk -PFS File Backup (non bootable) -VisiCalc on bootable disk -VisiCalc on bootable disk (2nd) -VisiCalc Backup (non bootable) -Scriptsit on bootable disk -BASIC 2c GoldKey Revision 1.03.00 (3/85) Let me know if you're interested, and you can contact me directly at ernestls(a)home.com or leucoplast(a)seanet.com. Thanks, Ernest

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TK50 failure analysis

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, so I've come up with a plausible explanation for my TK50 problem. Apparently the drive thinks there is a tape cartridge in it, even though there isn't one. It runs the classic "loading sequence" (slow uptake then fast uptake) even though there isn't a cartridge present. That suggests that it is mistaken about the presence of a tape. So, does anyone know what all of the methods are the TK50 uses to sense the presence of a tape? I'd like to get this one fixed as it is an E4 (I've got two B2's, one E3, and working E4 and one dead E4) --Chuck

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<KL11 setup: addr: 777560 , vector: 60. That is a majik address. 176560(16bit address) and vector 60 is the default console for any KL/DL or similar device. It is insensitive to what the device generally is but the basic status and registers must be there. RT-11, XXDP and friends expect it unless the particular copy was built for an odd address, then console ODT (for those that have it) will not be available and the console cannot control booting. Not a good idea to do that by the way and you can only do it on the non-microODT processors. Also RT-11 (any version I have played with) MUST have 8kw of memory, again you can custom build for smaller but for limited application only. The smallest almost OS was the IOX package (IO Executive) for embedded apps, the Micropower pascal system could build for small memories. Allison

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Nortel modem-terminals/display phones

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

Next time I'm at the location where they're stored, I can try to find you a number. They're RS-232, but they're a bit funky to get to work with anything else; I don't remember the details, but it seems like they used really odd settings - like 6 bits, mark parity, 2 stop bits. Also, the attached phone only works with Northern Telecom phone systems, unless you were to gut the whole thing and stick the electronics from a one piece phone in them. What I've decided to do for terminals around the house (including the kitchen and bathroom) is to buy some old 486 laptops with color displays and PCMCIA slots. I've got PCMCIA ethernet cards for them, and am shopping for PCMCIA sound cards. My plan is to run Linux or FreeBSD on them, and X-windows, and let them surf the web as well as accessing our answering machine (which runs on our file server, and is already web-enabled), Mister House control console, and the CD jukebox control software. I'm going to *try* to set up either a Real Audio server or some kind of multicast audio server, and have a sound card in the server sampling and digitizing the output of the CD jukebox and the computer-controlled FM radio tuner, so you can "tune in" from any workstation in the place and listen to the radio or CDs. (Hey - I've gotta have *something* to keep me out of trouble!) >Someone moments ago made a reference to old Nortel (well, Northern >Telecom, back then) display phones, but I didn't realize what they >were referring to until I'd deleted the message :-/ > >If those are the little black-paneled phones with CRTs and slide-out >keyboard drawers, could you give me a model number? I've just realized >that that'd make the perfect kitchen terminal, and might keep an eye >out for them now, but it's awfully hard to search the 'net for >'nortel display phones' without getting bunches of current stuff. > > -Rich > >-- >------------------------------ Rich Lafferty --------------------------- > Sysadmin/Programmer, Instructional and Information Technology Services > Concordia University, Montreal, QC (514) 848-7625 >------------------------- rich(a)alcor.concordia.ca ---------------------- > > Bill Richman incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf microcomputer simulator!)

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Honeywell Level 6 Mainframe

by mrdos＠swbell.net

I recently acquired a Honeywell Level 6 Mainframe, printer, and numerous terminals. I was wondering if anyone had any software, documentation, or general knowledge of it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You, Owen Robertson

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Honeywell 316s? Re: Honeywell Level 6 Mainframe

by aek＠spies.com

"I don't know anything about Honeywells but I just found two Honeywell 316s in a scrap yard here in Florida." John B knows quite a bit about these. I have docs for the 516 series mostly. Are the Pertec drives front or top loading? Any sign of a Pertec disc formatter box? docs (i know.. ha ha..)

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TK50 gymnastics

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, so now that I've got a mini TK50 test bed set up I tested three other TK50s that I had in a box "condition unknown". After cleaning out some killer dust bunnies they all seem to do the write things. For the archives, TK50 behaviour is as follows: Power on (empty) hums a bit, Red light on. Red Light push button should be in the "out" position. Internal tape spindle moves a bit. Solenoid goes "click" and green light goes on (red off) Lift handle, slide in tape, close handle. Light stays green, nothing happens. Press Red light/button into the "depressed" position. Green light goes off, tape begins motion. Whir, Whir, grind grind grind, tape stops green light and red light remain lit. Use tape in this mode, when finished... Press Red light/button to the "out" position. Tape moves a bit then rewinds rapidly. Tape slows, light flickers, "click" Solenoid retracts and green light goes on. So my broken drive doesn't want to put the leader into the "load/unload" position. Instead the tape stops before it gets completely unwound. I've been using the same tape on all drives so that eliminates the tape as a candidate for now. --Chuck

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I have been able to boot XXDP on the PDP-11/20, no problems... but.. >(here is where I have a problem) >I know the PDP-11/20 is booting RT-11v3.0B as it loads for about 20 >seconds.... problem is I don't get anything on the teletype. When booted, >RT11 is waiting for keyboard input but does not read mine. Taken with what you mentioned elsewhere in the message, I suspect that XXDP does PIO while RT uses interrupt-driven IO, and without the other interrupt working, it won't work. I have an idea of how it could be made to, though... contact me off-line... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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More interesting TK50 fun

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>So several questions come to mind. I'll pop out some of the obvious ones... > >1) Does the Red Light/Button on the right hand side in the "out" position >mean "unload" ? Yes. >2) When does the green light come on (except on power up when it is >unloaded.) ? Green light on (solid) means it's OK to operate the handle. >3) It appears that a "working" unload sequence would have the tape leader >get sucked back > into the tape and the 'unhooker' should engage the hook leader. Why >would it stop > before it got that far? While it's doing its tricks, look carefully at the metal capstan that the tape and leader goes over at the rear of the drive. There's an optical interrupter connected to the shaft of this, and this is the only way that the TK50 knows that the tape is actually moving. If tape or leader is moving over this capstan without turning the capstan, the TK50 drive gets all confused and gives up. So look carefully to see if that capstan is turning as tape gets pulled over it. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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HP 4972A LAN Protocol Analyser

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody know anything about a HP 4972A LAN Protocol Analyser? Where I can find the OS software? manuals? etc? Is this machine still worth anything? Thanks.. (copyright date on the OS it boots is '90, so hey, it fits the ten-year rule..) Bill -- +------------------------+----------------------+-----------------------+ | Bill Bradford | mrbill(a)pdp11.org | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | | http://www.sunhelp.org | http://www.pdp11.org | http://www.mrbill.net | +------------------------+----------------------+-----------------------+

26 years, 2 months

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 2:22 AM Subject: Re: RX01 Bootstrap Loader >"I needed to boot RX01s as that is a lot easier to run diagnostics across a >bunch of 11/20s quickly... beats paper tape!." > >Will DXDP run in 4k? > I have been able to boot XXDP on the PDP-11/20, no problems... but.. (here is where I have a problem) I know the PDP-11/20 is booting RT-11v3.0B as it loads for about 20 seconds.... problem is I don't get anything on the teletype. When booted, RT11 is waiting for keyboard input but does not read mine. When I use an M9312 (ver bad fit) I can type, when I boot XXDP it boots fine as well and I can type. I am using a KL11 (yuck) which uses one vector for both send/receive... at least thats what I thought I read. I just gave Jerome Fine RT-11v3.0B distribution to archive so I don't have the disks handy to find out if there was a special driver to support the KL11 teletype interface. I *really* don't want to hook up mag tape or RK05s eight now so... does someone know if there is a special driver for the KL11? BTW: RT11 V4 does not boot at all.. well, I hear the RX01 reading a bit... then it dies. KL11 setup: addr: 777560 , vector: 60. john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com

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HP 4972A LAN Protocol Analyser

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 12, Bill Bradford wrote: > Anybody know anything about a HP 4972A LAN Protocol Analyser? > Where I can find the OS software? manuals? etc? Is this > machine still worth anything? > > Thanks.. (copyright date on the OS it boots is '90, so hey, it > fits the ten-year rule..) I have one, I use it regularly, and I love it. Yes it's ten years old...but it's a piece of test equipment, not a computer, so it's only getting "a little" old at this point. Newer units are a bit more flashy and flexible, but those newer units also tend to be Windows PC laptops running network analyzer software that some college schmuck threw together in Visual Basic...and thus tend to blow up a lot. The HP4972 isn't a Windows PC in disguise...it's an honest piece of application-specific- engineered test equipment that does its job very well. I have the documentation, and I'd be willing to loan it to you. I also (obviously) have the software...I'm not sure how to copy it out of the machine, but if we can figure that out, I'll help you get yours running. FYI they tend to go for anywhere between $500-$1000 (working) on the surplus market, or up to about $2500 in the "commercial" used test equipment market. -Dave McGuire

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Available in San Antonio, TX, moderately boring stuff.

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 12, Mark Tapley wrote: > AT&T 6300 and Xerox box - these two looked identical except different > color schemes. Both $6.95, "as-is" and the Xerox says "works". Xerox > claimed to be made in Italy, I didn't check AT&T. The AT&T 6300 was actually made by Olivetti, in Italy... Be aware that 6300s use proprietary (and very nice, IMO) monitors. -Dave McGuire

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CDC 9448 "Phoenix" Spares Kit

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Guys: I have a bunch of stuf that (more or less) makes up a spares kit for the the CDC 9448. Stuff includes: I/O Circuit Card CNTL/MUX Card Servo Coarse Board Servo Fine Board Read/Write Card Extender Board 3 R/W Heads Maintainence Manual (including schematics). As far as I can tell, all of this stuff is new, except for maybe one of the R/W heads. I can't use it, maybe someone here can. If there's any interest in this, please contact me privately. Thanks. Jeff ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com <CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 11:07 AM Subject: Re: RX01 Bootstrap Loader >>Due to the instruction set incompatibilities between the 11/20 and other >>11s, will they even run RT11 V30B with 8K core? > >RT11 V03B ought to be OK, as long as you have enough memory. I know that >12K words core is enough (I have V03B on an 11/04 with 12K core), I suspect >it will fit in 10 or 8K. The monitor only uses 2K core and expects 8. (SJ). > >If you try to run RT-11 5.5 or 5.6 on an 11/20, you'll get some complaint >because EIS instructions found their way into a few utilities and drivers. >This has been rectified for 5.7; see the 5.7 release notes for details. > I am more concerned about the incompatibilities in the basic instruction set. I am going to try boot RT11 V3B. If not, I'll try plain ver 3, then maybe 2. I know DEC discontinued the 11/20 in '73 which was during the initial development of the OS's. john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com >-- > Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com > Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ > 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 > Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 >

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how do I decode 157.55.85.212 to a url?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<It's been mentioned before, but try http://www.spamcop.net. <If you report the SPAM, a appropriate administrator can <shut down the violator. Cool. I suspect that IPexpress.net is a "promoter" of spam. <Using it requires a browser, however, and every time I suggest <something that benefits browser users, the remarks fly that No biggie other than my config the browser is seperate from mail, however cut and pates works fine. Allison

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V chip (was: Going totally OT )

by edick＠idcomm.com

Well, here in the Land of the Free, there's too much exercise of freedome not guaranteed in any document anywhere, and not tolerated in countries in Europe. It would be so much simpler if there were only one punishment for all violations of the law, as so many infractions are worthy of that ultimate punishment, DEATH. The only thing that seems to vary is WHOSE death. If every offense were met with immediate extermination, perhaps followed by a posthumous apology, a lot of people would behave differently, and nobody would park in my reserved space. In civilized countries, and NOT the U.S, it's common for citizens to turn in their neighbors for viloating the law simply because they observe a law being broken, and not because it has effect on their lives. The fact is that HERE, in the U.S. a person picking up the phone and notifying the police that there's a minor crime in progress within his view is considered, even by the police, worse than the offender. In the U.S. the observable lack of civilization is evidenced in the inability of people to inhabit a limited space as the Europeans have known for centuries to do. For us Americans, it's growing pains. Since there's no more land to inhabit, we're having to acquire some traits of civilized societies because we're having to live together with more and more strangers, often quite different form ourselves, racially, culturally, linguistically, etc. Over time we're going to have to move in the direction of the European model, which we know works, and rely more on common observance of law as opposed to trying to circumvent it. Dick -----Original Message----- From: John Wilson <wilson(a)dbit.dbit.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 4:18 PM Subject: Re: V chip (was: Going totally OT ) >On Fri, Feb 11, 2000 at 10:25:38PM +0000, Hans Franke wrote: >> Let me get this straight - there is some software to be implemented >> on TVs and VCRs to disable them on a contend related base ? > >Right. But remember, we're still the Land of the Free, even though most >European countries give their citizens a lot more freedom. See, any time >the majority (or better yet, a well-funded and vocal minority) wants something >censored, it's not censorship -- the founding fathers were only trying to >protect our rights to say stuff that everyone agrees with, they hate >people with unpopular tastes or opinions. > >> Just >> assuming that there will be some kind of add on signal (at this point >> I'd like to get some technical information) suplying the level(s) >> of whatever (what classes are named ?), who is responsible to >> judge the content ? > >There, you've hit the biggest problem. My understanding is that it's just >a single scale -- from "not offensive" to "very offensive", according to >someone, somewhere. Since the government likes to see everything in terms >of strict threshholds (55 MPH = no problem, 56+ MPH = OK to lay down tack >strips and cause a fatal crash), they've convinced themselves that everyone >is offended by the same stuff. So some invisible authority gets to decide >what's offensive and what isn't and everything comes prepackaged (no I >don't know what the protocol is for labeling the show but I assume it's some >between-visible-scan-lines thing like closed captioning is), so you're just >supposed to set your TV for whatever age your kids are (they're all the same >age, right?) and leave it at that. > >> Also, are the TV stations also forced to supply the coding all the time ? > >I think it's supposed to be done per show. Like the current TV rating system, >where they put up a logo at the beginning of each show saying what its rating >is. Ridiculous... If I owned a TV network, I'd just set everything to "most >offensive" and forget about it. > >> BTW: I know there is violence on US-TV - but sex ? > >There's no *real* sex on US TV, but the bible thumpers are offended by even >the hint of it. They think that nudity is inherently wrong, and I just >*love* the illogic that you can say anything you want but you can't use >certain words to say it. Say the exact same thing another way and you're >OK though. > >Anyway this is all just another attempt to idiot-proof the world. Instead of >just sitting down with their kids at a young age and explaining what sex >is and why it should be taken seriously, the lazy absentee parents think >the right thing is for their kids to be prevented at all costs from even >looking down in the bath tub, so that they have no idea what's really going >on, and it all comes as a total shock to them when they turn 18. > >People are unbelievably repressed in this country though. I thought my parents >did a pretty good job of explaining everything, but they left some important >stuff out, like the fact that sex is fun! What a mind-bender, hearing about >neighbors etc. that had gotten pregnant "by accident", I couldn't possibly >imagine how people would pull off such a complicated disgusting procedure >without meaning to. Makes a whole lot more sense now! > >> If the judgement is >> done by the producer, someone of a 'nude acceping' show may have a >> different feeling about the 'sex rating' then the next guy who airs >> some TV church stuff. > >Exactly! Personally, I'm seriously, DEEPLY offended by anything to do with >organized religion, yet as far as the government is concerned that stuff >is all strictly G-rated. So I'll never convince my TV to automatically >skip those shows. I have no problem with nudity though, and if I had kids >I'd want them to see plenty of it too, so that the novelty would wear off >and they wouldn't go into total cranial shutdown the way most Americans do >when they see it (since we're strongly conditioned to think that the only >time anyone shows any skin is when they're about to have sex with you, so >we act like idiots when we see people naked in other contexts). But that's >the *main* thing the government wants to stop us from seeing. > >Anyway, I'm not saying the government is trying to gradually eat away at our >rights and subtly turn the USA into a totalitarian state so slowly that no >one even notices. But if they WERE trying to do that, they'd go about it >exactly this way! > >Well anyway, I was pissed off the *last* time the gov't forced everyone to >pay for an unneeded feature in their TVs, which was closed captioning, but >now I use it all the time! It's really handy when the actors are mumbling, >or when they're talking in funny voices for no apparent reason (but the >caption explains that they're quoting from a 1930s movie I never saw), or >when my wife falls asleep but I want to keep watching. > >Yech, sorry about all this OT stuff, this has gotten pretty far from finding >goodies in dumpsters. I once hauled an IBM 029 keypunch out of a dumpster, >does that make up for it? It was at the company I worked for so there was >no problem with permission, the guys who tossed it in really relished the >experience (I guess they hadn't been big fans of that keypunch back when it >was the company's only input device) so they were telling everyone, I flipped >out of course but the same guys were nice enough to help me haul the thing out >again. > >I've also had pretty good luck with the friendly neighborhood engineering >school, especially because they're too cheap to get dumpsters for every >building so a lot of the time stuff sits on loading docks for weeks before >it gets hauled off, so you can just take it away (as long as you're sure >it's scrap). I got a mostly-complete ASR33 and another terminal that way a >couple of years ago, and a few other things (found a VK100 GIGI minus the PSU >sitting by the curb with some other trash, outside RPI's linear accelerator >a few years back). No need to get waist deep in transformer oil or anything >yucky like that... > >John Wilson >D Bit >-------------- >P.S. guess I spoke too soon about the drought of idiotic winter accidents >being reported on our local TV news as "tragedies", apparently just last night >some bozo in Utica went snowmobiling in the dark and ate a tree at high speed.

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by aek＠spies.com

"I needed to boot RX01s as that is a lot easier to run diagnostics across a bunch of 11/20s quickly... beats paper tape!." Will DXDP run in 4k?

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V chip (was: Going totally OT )

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

I don't know the technical details, but here's my understanding: The V-chip is a device that will be installed by law in every VCR and TV manufactured in the U.S., which will allow parents to selectively block content that they find objectionable. So, for example, if I think it's o.k. for my child to see a little bit of romance and sex, I could set the "Sex" limit to 2 out of 5. If I wanted to block all violent programming, I could set the "Violence" limit to 0 out of 5. The device would detect the Sex and Violence levels of all incoming programming (I don't know who would rate the programs). If the program is over the limit that I've set, the device blocks the TV or VCR from showing the program. Of course, given the number of people who can't even figure out how to program their VCRs, I suspect that the kids will be better at changing the limits than their parents - I presume that the system includes passwords or something to prevent unauthorized changing of the limits. I believe that the V-chip concept was invented by a Canadian company, but I may be wrong on this. Regards, Mark Gregory -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 1:43 PM Subject: Going totaly OT (was: Dumpster stories!) >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 06:35:26PM -0000, Eric Smith wrote: >> > I suppose people are going to think I'm a jerk for saying such a thing, >> > but IMNSHO the tragedy here isn't that the kids were killed, but that >> > they hadn't been taught not to do such things. > >> I agree... My parents covered all this stuff -- they told us not to dig inside >> snowbanks because a plow might come, we all wore seat belts way before there >> was a law (bicycle helmets too), our parents strictly enforced what we could >> and couldn't watch on TV so there was no need for V chips (I can't believe >> they're making us pay for censorship devices now just because some absentee >> parent religious freaks got upset), > >Please, what are V-Chips - I always associate the NEC CPU series with that. > >Gruss >H. > >-- >Stimm gegen SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/de/ >Vote against SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/en/ >Votez contre le SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/fr/ >Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut >HRK >

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com <CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 8:58 PM Subject: RE: RX01 Bootstrap Loader >>Like trying to find a needle in a haystack..... > >Not all *that* hard! > It actually was as I have all the material before '78. I thought it might be in the PDP-11/05 manual but I could not get at it.. and pulling boxes of RT11 would be a lot more headache than asking someone here. >>Would anyone know which handbook/manual the RX01 bootstrap loader is in? > >The RT-11 Installation manual is one place, the RX11 manual is another, >any of the "Microcomputer Interfaces" books that has the RXV11, ... > I found that in my own collection :-) . I just saw the abereviated version. >>I need to toggle in the RX01 bootstrap into a PDP-11/20 with 4K config. > >You could just, say, go to > > ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/bootstrap s/ > >and fetch "rx01_boot.txt". > I saw that book was 1980. I checked 1976,78, peripheral handbooks.. no luck.. Processor handbooks also didn't help too much. I knew I saw it somewhere (prob. 11/05) but was not sure. Thanks for the help. >What are you going to try to boot in just 4K, BTW? I'm scratching my >head to figure out if even RT-11 V2 fit in that small a space... > I don't believe it will . Neither will RT11 V1. DOS/BATCH requires a minimum of 8K too! Even though RT11 only uses up 2K core it still won't load without 8K minimum. The only "OS" that supports 4K is "PTS-11". I needed to boot RX01s as that is a lot easier to run diagnostics across a bunch of 11/20s quickly... beats paper tape!. I have some old diagnostic disks/diagnostic code on RX01s for the 11/20. Most of the PDP-11/20s I am restoring have serial numbers under 400 so most manufactured at that time were configured with paper tape and 4K core. Most of the 11/20s I got were configured with paper tape/4k core. The *newer* ones have DECTape. I am testing all the PDP-11/20s after a basic rebuild with 4K core.. I will add more MM11-Es depending on what is requested. Due to the instruction set incompatibilities between the 11/20 and other 11s, will they even run RT11 V30B with 8K core? I expect most will probably just want PTS-11 and DOS/BATCH with an 8K core system. john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com >-- > Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com > Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ > 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 > Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 > >

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V chip (was: Going totally OT )

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 11, John Wilson wrote: > Anyway this is all just another attempt to idiot-proof the world. Instead of > just sitting down with their kids at a young age and explaining what sex > is and why it should be taken seriously, the lazy absentee parents think > the right thing is for their kids to be prevented at all costs from even > looking down in the bath tub, so that they have no idea what's really going > on, and it all comes as a total shock to them when they turn 18. Exactly. This government is very big on "protecting the stupid". Personally, I see it as "fighting Darwin"...natural selection can do the right thing if left to its own devices. Now, I don't have kids, so I'll not pretend to be an authority on the subject...but it seems logical to me that keeping them informed will go a lot farther than censoring the world for them. How many people here *really* learned about the "birds & bees" from their parents? Wow, this IS off-topic! -Dave McGuire

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how do I decode 157.55.85.212 to a url?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Thanks everyone. I'm getting spammed and it's apparently from the opt-in thing that I'd never opt-into! Any solid suggestion how to shut this down. I firmly believe the "remove" in these is fake or worse address validation. I wonder if the whole remove this is bogus. Allison For example... *************************************************************************** You received this copy as a subscriber to our opt-in email list. If you no longer wish to receive solicitations simply unsubscribe by clicking here: http://www.postmasternetwork.net/remove <a href="http://www.postmasternetwork.net/remove">Unsubscribe</a> ............................................................................ That's right. This week more.com is offering a 6-pack of Ultra Slim Fast for $1 and our ever-popular $1 mystery item. ****************************************************************************

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FW: Infotron IF/65 Development System II for 65XX microprocessors

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Sorry about the title on the previous post. Darn spell checker gets a little carried away sometimes. How it got Inferno from Infotron is something only Gates and Co. can answer. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dawson [mailto:whdawson@mlynk.com] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 10:16 PM To: Classiccmp@Classiccmp. Org Subject: Inferno IF/65 Development System II for 65XX microprocessors Hello group, Here I am again, looking for information on something that, more than likely, not a single person on this list will have any information whatsoever. At least this item isn't on eBay. The last thing on eBay that I asked for information on somehow managed to attract all sorts of interest and bids after I posted questions looking for some information on it (I had the opening and only bid for quite some time). My toes still hurt from that one. I should have known, since it had the letters D-E-C on it. BTW, who is pdp.org? OK, now that has been expressed, what I have here is an Infotron IF/65 Development System II. It appears to connect via RS-232 to a dumb terminal for its output of such things as address and data, and perhaps input of some parameters such as uP clock rate; baud rate is selectable from a thumbwheel. This system also appears to have the capability of single stepping the program contained in the device in the ZIF. It has a 28 pin ZIF socket for the targets EPROM/PROM/ROM. There is a standard ribbon cable that connects to a pod, and the pod has a braided ribbon cable that terminates at a 40 pin dip header, most likely to attach to the target in place of the uP. Trap conditions are selectable via four 0 to F thumbwheels, and conditions to be triggered on can be selected as memory data read, memory data written, and/or op-code. Any information would be greatly appreciated, a source of a manual or instructions for use would be fantastic. For those in this group that maybe can help and would like a photo sent as an email attachment, please post your request to the group, on thread, and I'll email the photo off-list. Or just go to http://www.wpic.com/whdawson/Pics/infotron.gif Which brings up another point. If all this verbiage is being collected for posterity, and a picture is worth a thousand words, would it be a good idea to have a photo archive indexed by thread also? I do realize that uncompressed pictures can take up a lot of disk space, and a size limit would have to be implemented. However, as I see the confusion and misunderstanding some of the time among ourselves, a picture would aid tremendously in avoiding this situation. Just imagine how much it will help the denizens of the future in coping with the many objects discussed herein. I understand there are many of you who are limited to text reception and transmittal, but what about the rest of us? With all the recent discussion about the time it takes to read and reply to this email if it is not properly formatted, etc. being such an issue when the list came back up (BTW, thanks Jay), I'm surprised no one brought up all the time it takes to describe things when a simple picture would suffice. Thanks, Bill whdawson(a)mlynk.com

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Dumpster stories!

by thomas.h.lindberg＠se.abb.com

A coule of years ago we had two very tragic dumpster stories in Sweden, three kids vere killed while reading magazines in covered newspaper/magazine dumpsters. The kids had seaked in through the narrow opening where we dump our old newspapers/magazines and sat there while the truck came to pick up the dumpster content. The dumpster was automatically emptied into a compacter at the truck and all taken to the fragmentation site where the kids wer found crushed. The dumpster openings are now just about the size of a mail box. Thomas

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Inferno IF/65 Development System II for 65XX microprocessors

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Hello group, Here I am again, looking for information on something that, more than likely, not a single person on this list will have any information whatsoever. At least this item isn't on eBay. The last thing on eBay that I asked for information on somehow managed to attract all sorts of interest and bids after I posted questions looking for some information on it (I had the opening and only bid for quite some time). My toes still hurt from that one. I should have known, since it had the letters D-E-C on it. BTW, who is pdp.org? OK, now that has been expressed, what I have here is an Infotron IF/65 Development System II. It appears to connect via RS-232 to a dumb terminal for its output of such things as address and data, and perhaps input of some parameters such as uP clock rate; baud rate is selectable from a thumbwheel. This system also appears to have the capability of single stepping the program contained in the device in the ZIF. It has a 28 pin ZIF socket for the targets EPROM/PROM/ROM. There is a standard ribbon cable that connects to a pod, and the pod has a braided ribbon cable that terminates at a 40 pin dip header, most likely to attach to the target in place of the uP. Trap conditions are selectable via four 0 to F thumbwheels, and conditions to be triggered on can be selected as memory data read, memory data written, and/or op-code. Any information would be greatly appreciated, a source of a manual or instructions for use would be fantastic. For those in this group that maybe can help and would like a photo sent as an email attachment, please post your request to the group, on thread, and I'll email the photo off-list. Or just go to http://www.wpic.com/whdawson/Pics/infotron.gif Which brings up another point. If all this verbiage is being collected for posterity, and a picture is worth a thousand words, would it be a good idea to have a photo archive indexed by thread also? I do realize that uncompressed pictures can take up a lot of disk space, and a size limit would have to be implemented. However, as I see the confusion and misunderstanding some of the time among ourselves, a picture would aid tremendously in avoiding this situation. Just imagine how much it will help the denizens of the future in coping with the many objects discussed herein. I understand there are many of you who are limited to text reception and transmittal, but what about the rest of us? With all the recent discussion about the time it takes to read and reply to this email if it is not properly formatted, etc. being such an issue when the list came back up (BTW, thanks Jay), I'm surprised no one brought up all the time it takes to describe things when a simple picture would suffice. Thanks, Bill whdawson(a)mlynk.com

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US customs holding/rejecting computer material.

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

US customs has decided that people/companies in the US are avoiding tariffs by "importing computer components through Canada" ... even if they are over 30 years old. I (and others I know) in Canada have had quite a few problems (just over the last two months) shipping computer components and documentation to the US. My last eBay buyer spent quite a bit of time trying to convince US customs they were not trying to avoid tariffs... [these materials were well over 25 years old] I wanted every Canadian List member to know that if you indicate the contents of the package to contain computer parts/manuals then, no mater how old, these items could be held up in customs or rejected if you don't provide contact info to customs. (customs doesn't seem to have a clue that *old* computer parts fall outside their tariff issue). Since computer parts are "electronic boards/parts" and manuals/documentation can fall under "books" I recommend describing items as such. Shipping whole mini computers are another issue. Generally, make sure both phone numbers are on the parcel so US customs can contact the shipper/buyer immediately with their concerns. Good luck! john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com

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US customs holding/rejecting computer material.

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> wrote: > >The last few times I sent computer/related to Canada I marked the parcels > >"obsolete computer or printer parts-gift" and the value as a couple dollars. > >I normally send them UPS rather than USPS as I think much of the problem is > >with... > > UPS is notorious for charging abitrary and high broker fees, so ALL of my > Canadian customs demand using another carrier, preferably USPS. My first experience with this was a $120 item I bought for my Amiga from a small company in Vancouver. I get this call from so-and-so brokers who want $85 to process my paperwork. I was outraged. I told them in no uncertain terms that they would *never* extort that kind of blood money >from me for their "services" and to send the shipment back. I did receive my hardware a couple of weeks later by post with no duty and no problems. My employer at the time used to ship magtapes to Canadian customers via UPS with the proper customs paperwork attached. We never had any complaints, but we knew how to fill out the forms properly. The moral of the story is to *never* send items across the border UPS without any customs paperwork. The recipient will be saddled with the consequences. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

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US customs holding/rejecting computer material.

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>US customs has decided As with all bureacracies, trying to make a blanket statement is difficult and usually wrong... > that people/companies in the US are avoiding tariffs >by "importing computer components through Canada" ... even if they are over >30 years old. Do you have a particular source for this information? I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm saying that I want to learn more. If there's some specific directive number that'll be particularly valuable. >I (and others I know) in Canada have had quite a few problems (just over the >last two months) shipping computer components and documentation to the US. Oh, absolutely. I've had Canadian *government* customers with their media turned back at the border because the US government couldn't make head or tails of what it was. (These were 8" floppies and paper tapes, BTW.) That particular governmental agency now flies the media down in an employee's luggage. >I wanted every Canadian List member to know that if you indicate the >contents of the package to contain computer parts/manuals then, no mater how >old, these items could be held up in customs or rejected if you don't >provide contact info to customs. (customs doesn't seem to have a clue that >*old* computer parts fall outside their tariff issue). You're using the wrong language. If you claim to US customs that what you're doing falls outside their scope, you're only going to convince them that what you're dong is something that they should be concerned with. This isn't an attitude unique to US customs, it'll happen with most any customs service. In particular, to a customs officer "old" often means "potentially antique and valuable". And I've had Canadian customs officials explain to me several times that "zero value" is not possible. If it had no value, you wouldn't be trying to ship it. >Generally, make sure both phone numbers >are on the parcel so US customs can contact the shipper/buyer immediately >with their concerns. Absolutely. I despise customs brokers - and even more their charges - but sometimes having someone there to expedite things is worth the bucks. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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V chip (was: Going totally OT )

by mgregory＠vantageresearch.com

Here's a resource - not much technical detail, but explains how the system works better than I did: http://www.vchipeducation.org/index.html This gives some of the history of the idea: http://www.primenet.com/~acacia/soundview/Bio.html Apparently, the V-chips are only installed in Televisions, not VCRs, and some content (e.g. news, pay-per-view or cablesystem movies) is not necessarily rated. And the system uses the "Closed Captioning" signal to convey the program rating information. Cheers, Mark. -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 2:48 PM Subject: Re: V chip (was: Going totally OT ) >> The V-chip is a device that will be installed by law in every VCR and TV >> manufactured in the U.S., which will allow parents to selectively block >> content that they find objectionable. So, for example, if I think it's o.k. >> for my child to see a little bit of romance and sex, I could set the "Sex" >> limit to 2 out of 5. If I wanted to block all violent programming, I could >> set the "Violence" limit to 0 out of 5. The device would detect the Sex and >> Violence levels of all incoming programming (I don't know who would rate >> the programs). If the program is over the limit that I've set, the device >> blocks the TV or VCR from showing the program. > >Let me get this straight - there is some software to be implemented >on TVs and VCRs to disable them on a contend related base ? Just >assuming that there will be some kind of add on signal (at this point >I'd like to get some technical information) suplying the level(s) >of whatever (what classes are named ?), who is responsible to >judge the content ? > >Also, are the TV stations also forced to supply the coding all the time ? >Maybe that's part of the US economic 'Wirtschaftswunder' - now TV stations >need not only on guy to handle the clap-o-mat, but a second to rate >the content all the time (asuming its not a preset thing like: Cartoon >Network = Violence 5, Sex 0 etc.). > >BTW: I know there is violence on US-TV - but sex ? > >Small content providers like local chanels may have some dificulties, >either to supply it at all, or supply it on a constant level - just >think about the 'open' chanels in big cities ... If the judgement is >done by the producer, someone of a 'nude acceping' show may have a >different feeling about the 'sex rating' then the next guy who airs >some TV church stuff. > >> Of course, given the number of people who can't even figure out how to >> program their VCRs, I suspect that the kids will be better at changing the >> limits than their parents - I presume that the system includes passwords or >> something to prevent unauthorized changing of the limits. > >You mean VCRs don't have to blink all the time ? > >Well, the thing is doomed from either side. > >Gruss >H. > >P.S.: is there any _reliable_ source for information on the web ? > >-- >Stimm gegen SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/de/ >Vote against SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/en/ >Votez contre le SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/fr/ >Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut >HRK >

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US customs holding/rejecting computer material.

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com <CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 2:01 PM Subject: RE: US customs holding/rejecting computer material. >>US customs has decided > >As with all bureacracies, trying to make a blanket statement is difficult >and usually wrong... > >> that people/companies in the US are avoiding tariffs >>by "importing computer components through Canada" ... even if they are over >>30 years old. > >Do you have a particular source for this information? I'm not saying >that you're wrong, I'm saying that I want to learn more. If there's >some specific directive number that'll be particularly valuable. > My source 3 of my last few shipments have either been "rejected, held , or not arrived yet due to customs delays". I received an email from two others (one today) who said US customs felt they were trying to avoid US tarriffs and had to speak to customs for awhile to have the items released. I do not have a directive order other than I spoke to a broker friend of mine who said truckers are getting increasingly P'od with US customs because they are really slowing things up if they have any computer parts in the truck. >>I (and others I know) in Canada have had quite a few problems (just over the >>last two months) shipping computer components and documentation to the US. > >Oh, absolutely. I've had Canadian *government* customers with their >media turned back at the border because the US government couldn't make >head or tails of what it was. (These were 8" floppies and paper tapes, >BTW.) That particular governmental agency now flies the media down >in an employee's luggage. > Doesn't seem to be a problem with Canadian customs. Never had an item held up or rejected yet. >>I wanted every Canadian List member to know that if you indicate the >>contents of the package to contain computer parts/manuals then, no mater how >>old, these items could be held up in customs or rejected if you don't >>provide contact info to customs. (customs doesn't seem to have a clue that >>*old* computer parts fall outside their tariff issue). > >You're using the wrong language. If you claim to US customs that what >you're doing falls outside their scope, you're only going to convince >them that what you're dong is something that they should be concerned with. >This isn't an attitude unique to US customs, it'll happen with most >any customs service. > I don't say that *to* customs.. I am saying that about them. >In particular, to a customs officer "old" often means "potentially antique >and valuable". > >And I've had Canadian customs officials explain to me several times >that "zero value" is not possible. If it had no value, you wouldn't >be trying to ship it. > I never ship anything with a "zero" value, ever! In fact, the last shipment that was held up was valued at $400! And US customs felt the buyer was trying to avoid tarriffs by buying from Canadians. Morons. These particular DEC boards were manufactured in the states! >>Generally, make sure both phone numbers >>are on the parcel so US customs can contact the shipper/buyer immediately >>with their concerns. > >Absolutely. I despise customs brokers - and even more their charges - but >sometimes having someone there to expedite things is worth the bucks. > I have my own import/export number so I generally don't have to deal with them as long as my paperwork is correct. My problem is when I mail things to the US. Generally, when I send UPS I don't have a problem. US customs have slowed down shipments alot because some guy in BC tried to smuggle into the US a bunch of bomb material. BTW: Canadian Customs do believe old computer parts are *worthless*. I brought through two trucks filled to the top with old DEC stuff just last month. Value : $400. I opened the back of one... customs pointed a flashlight on an ASR-38.. said "God that's old".. and called the loads scrap. Over the past 15 years of imports I have never had any problem bringing in old minis... well, oher than Canadian customs wondering why someone would waste gas and time to cart the *junk* here. john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com >-- > Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com > Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ > 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 > Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 >

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Going totaly OT (was: Dumpster stories!)

by edick＠idcomm.com

V-chips are mandatory features built into new TV sets that allow parents to disable viewing of certain programs. These were designed before it was demnostrated that an child over 6 years of age was able to defeat them before their parents figured out how to use them. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: Going totaly OT (was: Dumpster stories!) >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 06:35:26PM -0000, Eric Smith wrote: >> > I suppose people are going to think I'm a jerk for saying such a thing, >> > but IMNSHO the tragedy here isn't that the kids were killed, but that >> > they hadn't been taught not to do such things. > >> I agree... My parents covered all this stuff -- they told us not to dig inside >> snowbanks because a plow might come, we all wore seat belts way before there >> was a law (bicycle helmets too), our parents strictly enforced what we could >> and couldn't watch on TV so there was no need for V chips (I can't believe >> they're making us pay for censorship devices now just because some absentee >> parent religious freaks got upset), > >Please, what are V-Chips - I always associate the NEC CPU series with that. > >Gruss >H. > >-- >Stimm gegen SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/de/ >Vote against SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/en/ >Votez contre le SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/fr/ >Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut >HRK

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Running a TK50 "on the bench"

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>>A properly functioning TK50 should be able to load and eject tapes >>even if not plugged into a controller. >That's good to know. When powered up the green light on the left goes on >and the red button/light doesn't do anything. I took the bronze cover off >and the tape is attached to the leader grabber thingy but hasn't yet made a >wrap around the hub. Has leader been pulled out of the cartridge at all? If not, then you can just nudge the door-unlock solenoid (on the right side of the drive near the front) and pull the cartridge out. If the leader *has* been pulled out of the cartridge, trying to do this will leave you with a big mess. >push it again to leave it out and nothing seemed to happen. To be honest >though if it blinked for just a second i wouldn't have seen it. I'm going >to look carefully at the capstan roller to see if it is turnable. If it's not trying to move the tape at all, I don't think it's the capstan roller. One question that's vitally important right here: is this an important tape stuck in the drive, or a scratch tape? -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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how do I decode 157.55.85.212 to a url?

by barry＠dobyns.com

Most of the following is at the command prompt of the nearest Unix/Linux/NetBSD box) First you ping it to see if it's really there: [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ ping -c 100 157.55.85.212 PING 157.55.85.212 (157.55.85.212): 56 data bytes --- 157.55.85.212 ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ Of course, it's not. so then you try to do reverse DNS on it. [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ nslookup Default Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 > set type=any > 212.85.55.157.in-addr.arpa. Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 *** dobyns.com can't find 212.85.55.157.in-addr.arpa.: Non-existent host/domain > 85.55.157.in-addr.arpa. Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 *** dobyns.com can't find 85.55.157.in-addr.arpa.: Non-existent host/domain > 55.157.in-addr.arpa. Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 *** dobyns.com can't find 55.157.in-addr.arpa.: Non-existent host/domain > 157.in-addr.arpa. Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 in-addr.arpa origin = A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET mail addr = hostmaster.INTERNIC.NET serial = 2000021014 refresh = 1800 (30M) retry = 900 (15M) expire = 604800 (1W) minimum ttl = 86400 (1D) > exit [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ Of course that fails since spammers don't ever have reverse DNS set up right. Then we try a traceroute, to see if we can "get close" and figure out where it's from. [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ !/usr /usr/sbin/traceroute 157.55.85.212 traceroute: Warning: Multiple interfaces found; using 38.253.170.190 @ eth0 traceroute to 157.55.85.212 (157.55.85.212), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 ipr254.dobyns.com (38.253.170.254) 2.776 ms 2.666 ms 2.665 ms 2 38-default-gw.psi.net (38.1.1.1) 153.382 ms 152.071 ms 147.602 ms 3 38.18.19.1 (38.18.19.1) 140.295 ms 141.904 ms 161.680 ms 4 rc8.nw.us.psi.net (38.1.43.8) 149.090 ms 155.449 ms 147.925 ms 5 * rc1.nw.us.psi.net (38.1.23.193) 139.237 ms !H * 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ Which fails miserably, the backbone routers don't even have a path to it. So I try from another box on a different network. This is to make sure that it's not a routing problem at my ISP. Which it sometimes is. [bdobyns@ns1 bdobyns]$ /usr/sbin/traceroute 157.55.85.212 traceroute to 157.55.85.212 (157.55.85.212), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 router.wwg.com (209.24.64.161) 3.232 ms 3.020 ms 3.952 ms 2 hs-2-0-0-96.a03.mtvwca01.us.ra.verio.net (209.24.0.161) 11.312 ms 14.128 ms 11.260 ms 3 * * * 4 * * * 5 * * hs-2-0-0-96.a03.mtvwca01.us.ra.verio.net (209.24.0.161) 12.440 ms !H 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 * * * 9 * * * 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * Now I believe that it's unroutable. Finaly we go to http://www.arin.net/whois/index.html and use the whois tool with our IP address Microsoft Corporation (NETBLK-MICROSOFT-BBLK) One Microsoft Way Redmond, WA 98052 Netname: MICROSOFT-BBLK Netblock: 157.54.0.0 - 157.60.0.0 Coordinator: Parameshwaran, Krishnan (KP26-ARIN) KrishnaP(a)MICROSOFT.COM (206) 882-8080 Record last updated on 14-Oct-1998. Database last updated on 11-Feb-2000 05:36:03 EDT. Doh! should have done this first. Which is as good as it gets - it's somewhere inside Microsoft. Finally, to translate an URL to an IP address, go back to your *nix command prompt, and dig around. [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ nslookup Default Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 > set type=any > opt-inbroadcasts.net Server: dobyns.com Address: 38.253.170.188 Non-authoritative answer: opt-inbroadcasts.net nameserver = ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net opt-inbroadcasts.net internet address = 208.26.83.110 Authoritative answers can be found from: opt-inbroadcasts.net nameserver = ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net internet address = 63.160.130.115 > server ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net Default Server: ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net Address: 63.160.130.115 > opt-inbroadcasts.net Server: ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net Address: 63.160.130.115 opt-inbroadcasts.net nameserver = ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net opt-inbroadcasts.net origin = opt-inbroadcasts.net mail addr = root.opt-inbroadcasts.net serial = 2000021101 refresh = 300 (5M) retry = 300 (5M) expire = 300 (5M) minimum ttl = 300 (5M) opt-inbroadcasts.net preference = 20, mail exchanger = mail.opt-inbroadcasts.net opt-inbroadcasts.net internet address = 208.26.83.110 opt-inbroadcasts.net nameserver = ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net internet address = 63.160.130.115 > ls opt-inbroadcasts.net [ns.opt-inbroadcasts.net] $ORIGIN opt-inbroadcasts.net. @ 5M IN A 208.26.83.110 ns1 5M IN A 63.160.130.116 ns 5M IN A 63.160.130.115 > exit [bdobyns@dobyns bdobyns]$ -b ----- Barry A. Dobyns, barry(a)dobyns.com, http://barry.dobyns.com -----Original Message----- From: allisonp(a)world.std.com <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, February 11, 2000 10:35 AM Subject: how do I decode 157.55.85.212 to a url? > >I have this URL and I'd like to find their netaddress n.n.n.n, how? > >******http://opt-inbroadcasts.net/remove/remove4.html >Apparently this is a spam gatherer as I got mail with this as the way >to get on their remove list. I suspect it's really a collect list. > >Also while looking around (with arp) I have a few address I don't know >and would like to translate that to a url or domain name. > >Allison > > >

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Running a TK50 "on the bench"

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I have a TK-50 with a tape stuck in it, it is malfunking :-) > >I thought I would put it on my workbench and power it up but that doesn't >seem to leave it with enough smarts to load and eject tapes. Do I have to >hook a TQK50 to it? (I suppose I could bolt a bit of Qbus to a board with >power but I'd rather not if I don't have to.) A properly functioning TK50 should be able to load and eject tapes even if not plugged into a controller. Can you rapidly switch in/out the red light/button for three or so cycles, with the final position being "out" (unload)? What happens when you try this? If *nothing* happens, then there's something seriously wrong (electrically) with this TK50. If it attempts to unload but doesn't quite do it, and ends up with the red button blinking rapidly, then there's probably a mechanical problem, most likely with one of the capstans or the corresponding optical interrupter. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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how do I decode 157.55.85.212 to a url?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Subject: how do I decode 157.55.85.212 to a url? I don't think it is actually routed anywhere, but it's part of a block that belongs to Microsoft according to the ARIN ( http;//www.arin.net/whois/ ): Microsoft Corporation (NETBLK-MICROSOFT-BBLK) One Microsoft Way Redmond, WA 98052 Netname: MICROSOFT-BBLK Netblock: 157.54.0.0 - 157.60.0.0 Coordinator: Parameshwaran, Krishnan (KP26-ARIN) KrishnaP(a)MICROSOFT.COM (206) 882-8080 Record last updated on 14-Oct-1998. Database last updated on 11-Feb-2000 05:36:03 EDT. >I have this URL and I'd like to find their netaddress n.n.n.n, how? >******http://opt-inbroadcasts.net/remove/remove4.html >Apparently this is a spam gatherer as I got mail with this as the way >to get on their remove list. I suspect it's really a collect list. $ mu nslookup opt-inbroadcasts.net Server: LOCALHOST Address: 127.0.0.1 Name: OPT-INBROADCASTS.NET Address: 208.26.83.110 $ whois/host=whois.networksolutions.com opt-inbroadcasts.net Registrant: opt-inbroadcasts.net (OPT-INBROADCASTS2-DOM) 4400 NW 19th Ave Suite B Pompano, FL 33064 US >Also while looking around (with arp) I have a few address I don't know >and would like to translate that to a url or domain name. Doing a reverse nslookup may work, *if* they've got a PTR record and they haven't chosen to purposefully put wrong information in the PTR record. A traceroute may sometimes give useful results if the IP address is actually in the routing tables. If it's not in the routing tables, you may as well pop Elvis into the 8-track and listen to "Return to Sender." -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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FS: HP 7550

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On February 11, KB9VU(a)aol.com wrote: > HP 7550 plotter. Includes spare pen carousel, pens, three trays and docs. > No software. Trade for Ham Radio gear or sell. Offers? Wow...the 7550 is a beautiful machine! I'd definitely be interested in buying it, but I already have one! :-) -Dave McGuire

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Running a TK50 "on the bench"

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I have a problem with one TK50 that the connector between the motors >and one of the PCBs is flaky. It will load tapes sometimes, but >eventually, the tape goes slack in the drive and won't rewind. In my experience this particular problem is often due to the capstan near the take-up reel side. If the tape gets pulled over the capstan without the capstan actually turning, the TK50 gets confused and thinks that no tape motion is taking place, so it gives up. Check that all the capstans turn nice and freely before assuming the problem is in the electronics. >I would remove the covers and see what state the tape is in. It might be >half-in, half-out, it might be stuck on the leader, indicating a problem >with the optical interrupters as mentioned before. Also, when you get the >tape out, finally, inspect the barb at the end of the takeup leader in the >drive (not the cassette). If it is crimped, you'll get unreliable loading. >If it's missing, you won't get *any* loading. Absolutely - in fact, before loading a TK50 in unknown condition it's always a good idea to make sure the take-up doo-dad is in the correct position and in good shape. Tim.

26 years, 2 months

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Web archive of old Usenet posts

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Several times in the past I've ranted to this list about my hope for a more ancient version of DejaNews, a web archive of old Usenet posts. Below is an e-mail I received from someone who has the start of an archive. He's searching for more volunteers for the project. I think this would be a tremendous resource for classic computer collectors and historians. - John To: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> Subject: Re: Old usenet news? From: Michael Stutz <stutz(a)dsl.org> X-Mailer: MH-E (emacs20) X-Url: http://dsl.org/ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:16:57 -0500 Sender: m(a)dsl.org Been thinking about a potential Usenet archive restoration project lately, how such a project might work. I don't think it's a one-man job -- too many people are probably going to have different ideas on how to store it, availability, interface, etc. This is what I think needs to happen: - there needs to be some kind of public discussion area for the project (like a newsgroup or mailing list) - a repository needs to be put in place, where people can send their archives. any size would probably be good enough to begin with, even a few gigs. hard drives are cheap now and it shouldn't be too difficult for someone to be able to get at least 10gb, which i think should be enough to at least begin assembling some of the old years, and whatever misc. stuff from pre-95 that people have? While I'm very interested in this, I don't have time to oversee or coordinate it. (I assume that you don't, either?) However, I've been assembling what notes I can -- URLs of known archives, addresses of interested people, related threads. I've begun putting all this together in html and plan on putting it on the web, just to make a convergence point for likeminded individuals -- maybe it might provide the impetus for someone else to begin such a project? Or at least get the attention of someone who has a 20gb hard drive on some ftp box at some university or organization somewhere, where some of the old archives could begin to be reassembled? (I'd think such a restoration project would make a great research project for someone, maybe?) As I think I mentioned before, I've got some archives from specific groups, and a lot of old threads and even single articles saved. If there was a coordinator and a system in place (even 1gb to start? or a box with access to a cd-burner or some other removeable media?), I bet a post to slashdot would draw in hundreds of people like me, or more, with their old archives. m P.S. On a related note, I'd like to see an open-source replacement for imdb.com happen, but again it's not a project I can take on right now.

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PR1ME Available

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

Found this in another newsgroup: -------------------------------------------------------------------- We have a Prime 9650 computer available to a good home. This system was under ComputerVision maintenance until they dropped support for the 9650 last July. There are two system cabinets and a half-height tape drive cabinet. Our company was at one time a Prime business partner. This machine was purchased under an agreement that allows us to resell the machine WITH the operating system after a usage period (long past). Stuff that is working 100%: 9650 CPU, 6 mb memory PRIMOS Operating System (32 user?) ICS-II 32 ports Y2K Primos tape set (not installed) (2) 315 MB Disk drives (one nearly "new") 8mm Prime tape drive COBOL Compiler FORMS, MIDASPLUS PRIMELINK, 10 user. Lost of Manuals Additional stuff that doesn't necessarily work: 1/2" reel tape drive 3200 bpi (needs minor work) CDC 496 MB Disk drive and cabinet (crashed probably) 1/4" cartridge tape drive (worked when we unplugged it 5 years ago) Contact: Kevin Davidson QS Technologies kevin(a)qsinc.com <http://www.deja.com/profile.xp?author=kevin@qsinc.com&ST=MS> (864) 232-2666 x 3505 ----------------------------------------------- Sounds like a really cool system. The system is located in Greenville SC and consists of two LARGE cabinets and one smaller one. The whole lot probably weighs 1000+ lbs. As always, reply to the original poster, not me! Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

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Running a TK50 "on the bench"

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com wrote: > >I have a TK-50 with a tape stuck in it, it is malfunking :-) > > If it attempts to unload but > doesn't quite do it, and ends up with the red button blinking rapidly, > then there's probably a mechanical problem, most likely with one of the > capstans or the corresponding optical interrupter. I have a problem with one TK50 that the connector between the motors and one of the PCBs is flaky. It will load tapes sometimes, but eventually, the tape goes slack in the drive and won't rewind. I've fiddled with it enough that the next time I need to use this particular unit, I'm going to take Allison's advice and solder the motors to the board. I would remove the covers and see what state the tape is in. It might be half-in, half-out, it might be stuck on the leader, indicating a problem with the optical interrupters as mentioned before. Also, when you get the tape out, finally, inspect the barb at the end of the takeup leader in the drive (not the cassette). If it is crimped, you'll get unreliable loading. If it's missing, you won't get *any* loading. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

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Dumpster stories!

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

>>When I was a whelp in Philadelphia, there was a rash of kids suffocating >>in old refrigerators during a big garbage strike one summer. Hide-and-seek > >>You can tell kids all you want, but some are still going to play on the >>train tracks, in old refrigerators, in dumpsters... > >The only thing is this instance that seems to really work is to fine anyone >the puts out a fridge without removing the door hinges. Children by >definition cannot be expected to obey rules, regardless of the rule. > I dunno; it seems to me as though natural selection would take care of the problem better. Any kids dumb enough to get trapped inside a refrigerator don't reproduce, and therefore the defective self-preservation gene doesn't get passed on. Darwin would be proud! Beats the hell out of wrapping the whole world in padding and taking away everything that might possibly kill some moron. Historically, it's been things like rockets, guns, swingsets, mercury switches, fireplaces, and all the really good fireworks that The Establishment has deemed too dangerous for us unwashed masses to play with. Wonder how long until some loser chokes on a mouse ball or strangles himself with the cord while trying to plug in his new business card scanner and mice are required to come with warning labels? Bill Richman incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r (Home of the COSMAC Elf microcomputer simulator!)

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FS: HP 7550

by KB9VU＠aol.com

HP 7550 plotter. Includes spare pen carousel, pens, three trays and docs. No software. Trade for Ham Radio gear or sell. Offers? Mike

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My trade list

by rutledge＠cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com

... is up at http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud/trading-stock.html -- _______ http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud (_ | |_) ecloud(a)bigfoot.com finger rutledge(a)cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com __) | | \__________________________________________________________________

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HP 2100 related manuals on ebay

by aek＠spies.com

"I found these manuals on ebay - I already have a copy of all of these, but I thought fellow HP 2100/2114/2115/2116 collectors might find them usefull." I've already scanned in these interface manuals, and am working through a big pile of others right now.

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Running a TK50 "on the bench"

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I have a TK-50 with a tape stuck in it, it is malfunking :-) I thought I would put it on my workbench and power it up but that doesn't seem to leave it with enough smarts to load and eject tapes. Do I have to hook a TQK50 to it? (I suppose I could bolt a bit of Qbus to a board with power but I'd rather not if I don't have to.) Is there a jumper/testpoint I can change to put it into "local loop" mode? --Chuck

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Old RSTS-11 Freeware library now online

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

With the help of many fellow archivists, I've pieced together the first hundred or so DECUS RSTS-11 library entries to form a neat web-accessible archive. These RSTS-11 library entries date from the early to mid 1970's, and were originally distributed by DECUS on punched tape and DECTape. Perhaps the most recognizable of the entries are RSTS-11-13 and RSTS-11-14, collections of Basic programs from David Ahl that became the basis of the famous _101 Basic Computer Games_. Here you get to see the source code in its original RSTS-11 Basic form, from an era before Bill Gates and company began writing their first Basic interpreter. These RSTS-11 archives are available over the web at http://pdp-11.trailing-edge.com/rsts11/ As I sort the thousands of megabytes of RT-11, RSX-11, RSTS/E, and other PDP-11 related material I've got in the collection and index it, I'll announce progress in these newsgroups. If you're interested in joining in with the effort, hearing about works in progress, or making your opinion about the web indices known, you're welcome to join the "pdp-archives" mailing list. Subscribe over the web by visiting http://mudd.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/pdp-archives Enjoy! -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing-Edge WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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My6502 Progress

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<IIRC you're supposed to jumper some variable number of the diodes, dependin <on how much load there is (I think depending on whether you had installed <the extra 9368s/FND503s (?) for the address display option). REALLY cheesy The displays ate 90% of the power. <And the 1802 ran at nowhere near its full speed, because evidently that's <not possible with only a 5V supply. At VCC=VDD=5V the part would run all hte way to 3.2mhz. They claimed at 10V it would 5-6mhz but don't believe it. I have one of the 10V parts and the cmos is so slow that some of the signals come out a full clock behind (and 155ns clock)! Keep in mind CMOS then was silicon gate and something like 6-10micron rules, can you say SLOWWWWW. The SOS (silicon on sapphire) part was a bit better. FYI: people that used the SOS part werent going for fast as it's main appeal was low power (~10mw) and it was RAD hard. Allison

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Like trying to find a needle in a haystack..... Not all *that* hard! >Would anyone know which handbook/manual the RX01 bootstrap loader is in? The RT-11 Installation manual is one place, the RX11 manual is another, any of the "Microcomputer Interfaces" books that has the RXV11, ... >I need to toggle in the RX01 bootstrap into a PDP-11/20 with 4K config. You could just, say, go to ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/bootstra… and fetch "rx01_boot.txt". What are you going to try to boot in just 4K, BTW? I'm scratching my head to figure out if even RT-11 V2 fit in that small a space... -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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My6502 Progress

by rcini＠msn.com

On Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:00:47 -0800 (PST), Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> wrote >>With all the recent discussion, I'd like to know what you are using for >>layout software. On my web site, I have a paragraph or two about the EDWin NC package that I'm using. In short, it has everything but the kitchen sink, but is not terribly well integrated and requires too many mouse clicks to get simple tasks done. To be fair, though, my speed seems to be improving with each day that I use it. > Anyway, what I'm going to do is make DXF pictures out of them and post > them to my site for all to see. Comments will be welcomed. >>Cool. I may do it in PDFs instead or in addition to the DXFs. EDWin has a lame printing system, so I'll have to see which one produces the best results. > Once the design is finalized, I'll have a prototype board made so that I > can see if it works. >> >>I'd also be interested in knowing who's burning your prototype and how much >>it runs you. I still have delusions of completing my 1802 SBC. No problem. I'll probably pick someone out of Nuts & Volts or Circuit Cellar. Rich [ Rich Cini [ ClubWin!/CW1 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ <================ reply separator =================> ?

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Nortel modem-terminals/display phones

by rich＠alcor.concordia.ca

Someone moments ago made a reference to old Nortel (well, Northern Telecom, back then) display phones, but I didn't realize what they were referring to until I'd deleted the message :-/ If those are the little black-paneled phones with CRTs and slide-out keyboard drawers, could you give me a model number? I've just realized that that'd make the perfect kitchen terminal, and might keep an eye out for them now, but it's awfully hard to search the 'net for 'nortel display phones' without getting bunches of current stuff. -Rich -- ------------------------------ Rich Lafferty --------------------------- Sysadmin/Programmer, Instructional and Information Technology Services Concordia University, Montreal, QC (514) 848-7625 ------------------------- rich(a)alcor.concordia.ca ----------------------

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Nortel modem-terminals/display phones

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner <spc(a)armigeron.com> wrote: > It was thus said that the Great Shawn T. Rutledge once stated: > > > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 03:59:26PM -0600, Bill Richman wrote: > > > in them. What I've decided to do for terminals around the house > > > is to buy some old 486 laptops with color displays > > > and PCMCIA slots. I have had a similar idea, but for $200, I found a surplussed 486DX4 with 16Mb, a 540Mb disk, two PCMCIA, one ISA, all built into a wall-mountable case with the LCD on the front. There is also an external floppy and an IDE connector (once I've sussed out, the other I've passed on due to the connector). It's ripe for Linux hacking, kinda like a laptop without the battery or keyboard. > Be warned, while you can run Linux with 4M of RAM, installing Linux with > 4M of RAM isn't easy. True. It's also possible to fit ancient Linux distributions onto 40Mb of disk, but my record is 80Mb. > The RedHat install requires 16M of RAM. Ask me if I run RedHat. :-) > The oldest Slackware distribution > I found (3.3) required 8M to do a floppy based install. That sounds about right. > Don't even attempt > to run X if you have less than 16M and even then, you going to have to use > an older window manager like twm or fvwm/fvwm2. Unless you _like_ to swap like mad. I've been playing with Floppy-based Linux boxes, primarily derived from the Linux Router Project. My smallest achievement is a 486SLC board w/8Mb, a multi-I/O card (for parallel), a NIC, no video and a Connectix QuickCam. After the kernel loads, the one script snaps a picture, converts it to a jpeg and ftps it to a spot on my web page. No hard disk. I even found a case the size of an encyclopaedia, thus no room for the video card. Total investment, $25 plus the cost of the camera. I've been thinking of a similar thing for the wall-mount 486: boot from floppy (or flash - I have an IDE adapter for an ATA card) and use networked storage. I could use the internal hard disk, but I want an appliance that I can turn on and off without worrying about filesystem corruption. Anyway... massively off-topic, but fun. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

26 years, 2 months

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RX01 Bootstrap Loader

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

Like trying to find a needle in a haystack..... Would anyone know which handbook/manual the RX01 bootstrap loader is in? I need to toggle in the RX01 bootstrap into a PDP-11/20 with 4K config. If the bootstrap code is too long would anyone know if DEC distributed a RX01 bootstrap paper tape version? john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com

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OT Responsibility Re: Dumpster stories!

by edick＠idcomm.com

Chuck, there are a few things you may have forgotten. By the time one has learned enough about parenting to be of use, it's too late for one's own children. I've seen exceptions occur, in cases where when the first "seating" has exited the scene, a second one is introduced. Those are the exception rather than the rule, however. Secondly, in an effort to make the nation's children safe from the few truly abusive parents that we have in our communities, society has rendered illegal the best and easiest-to-use tool, FEAR, sometimes best bundled with GUILT, which is the other of these two tools for childrearing. I had the harrowing experience of having a "counselor," and outsourced individual provided by a district subcontractor, tell one of my sons that my rather stern regimen of discipline was "too strict" and, thereby, validating his desire to disregard my direction. Within weeks the boy was skipping school, smoking, and not just tobacco, and who knows what else. His school work was already poor, so that didn't fall off much. It was a long hard couple of years getting him through high school and off to college. Does this shed any light? Dick -----Original Message----- From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:48 PM Subject: OT Responsibility Re: Dumpster stories! >At 12:53 PM 2/10/00 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: >>The only thing is this instance that seems to really work is to fine anyone >>the puts out a fridge without removing the door hinges. Children by >>definition cannot be expected to obey rules, regardless of the rule. > >If you are the parent of a child who cannot "obey rules" especially ones >that will kill them when violated then you must supervise that child. If >you are unable to supervise them then you either train them or get someone >else to supervise them. If you are unwilling to supervise them or get them >supervised and they need it, then your children will die and I will feel >sad for them but I will blame the parent. > >Attempting to make the world "bad parent" safe is not possible. > >--Chuck >

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My6502 Progress

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- "Richard A. Cini, Jr." <rcini(a)msn.com> wrote: > Hello, all: > > For those not necessarily following my 6502-based SBC project on my Web > site, here's the latest. > > The schematics are done, I just have to make some minor tweaks. Then I > can work on the PCB layout. With all the recent discussion, I'd like to know what you are using for layout software. > Anyway, what I'm going to do is make DXF pictures out of them and post > them to my site for all to see. Comments will be welcomed. Cool. > Once the design is finalized, I'll have a prototype board made so that I > can see if it works. I'd also be interested in knowing who's burning your prototype and how much it runs you. I still have delusions of completing my 1802 SBC. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

26 years, 2 months

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400 gig/in^2 punch card

by jfoust＠threedee.com

<http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,34250,00.html> - John

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Microvax 3100 Model 30 in Kansas City

by carons＠techcare.com

> >Just came across a surplus MicroVax 3100 model 30. Anyone want it? >Mike >mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu >Computer surplus scrounger, bin diver, pallet mover, dust blower, classic >computer lover, non PC computer discoverer, lover of old but not forgotten >technology > > Hi! If it isn't spoken for and you don't mind shipping it (all charges on me, of course), I might be interested in it. Do you have an idea of what the system might contain in terms of memory expansion and hard drives (number and size of)? Thanks! - Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net)

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Ultrix 4 manuals avail.

by rich＠alcor.concordia.ca

A coworker here has a set of Ultrix 4.0 manuals about to go to the recycling bin. If anyone wants 'em, let me know today, and I'll grab them. -Rich -- ------------------------------ Rich Lafferty --------------------------- Sysadmin/Programmer, Instructional and Information Technology Services Concordia University, Montreal, QC (514) 848-7625 ------------------------- rich(a)alcor.concordia.ca ----------------------

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My6502 Progress

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Anyway I've always wondered -- what is the ELF and who made it? I have a >Quest Super Elf which I bought in kit form in 1981 (for $106.95, had to work >half the summer to pay for it), Netronics (or maybe it was NEtronics) sticks in my head. And I remember the "Cosmac ELF" being the name of at least one version. Gotta go dig out those old Popular Electronics... I swear every single issue >from the late 70's had a Netronics ad. IIRC they also had some 8085 SBC's. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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HP 2100 related manuals on ebay

by west＠tseinc.com

Howdy folks... I found these manuals on ebay - I already have a copy of all of these, but I thought fellow HP 2100/2114/2115/2116 collectors might find them usefull. No bidders yet, 2 days left in the auction, and the asking price appears to be 14 bucks and some change... I only call it to everyones attention because they are not listed in a category on ebay that most of us would have likely found them... Jay West ------------- > Title of item: Early HP Computer Manuals > Seller: wogilvie(a)best.com > Starts: Feb-05-00 18:34:59 PST > Ends: Feb-12-00 18:34:59 PST > Price: Starts at $14.50 > To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=254393623 > > > Item Description: > Operating and service manuals for HP 2100 minicomputer peripherials - circa 1973 > 7900A Disc Drive - 1" thick, schematics, diagrams > 7035B X-Y Recorder - spiral bound, photos, schematics > 59301A ASCII to Parallel Converter - 40 pages > 12539C Time Base Generator Interface Kit - TBG board for 2100 > 12531C Buffered Teleprinter Interface Kit - PCB for 2100, 2114, 2115, 2116 > 13181A Digital Magnetic Tape Unit. Interface kit PCB for 2100 > Essential for preserving historic computers. > This auction is for these 6 manuals + 2 updates. No hardware is included. Winner > to pay shipping from 94043. Check my other auctions on eBay.

26 years, 2 months

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Items for possible trade

by jott＠saturn.ee.nd.edu

Hello - Our department is telling me clean up. Some items that may be available soon are: hp 7550 plotter sun sparc 1, 2 (all are B&W, most of the monitors are dim) apple laserwriter II (some whole, some for parts) apple/radius large screen monitors (condition: unknown) calcomp 1039 plotters The apple and sun items have seen heavy use. I don't have room and I don't want to pitch them. I'd like to trade for single board computers or hp integal options/accessories/manuals or ??? Worest case, just offer shipping. john -- ************************************************************************ * * * * John Ott * Email: jott(a)saturn.ee.nd.edu * * Dept. Electrical Engineering * * * 275 Fitzpatrick Hall * * * University of Notre Dame * Phone: (219) 631-7752 * * Notre Dame, IN 46556 USA * * * * * ************************************************************************

26 years, 2 months

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Dumpster tales from Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I can't help when I drive down the street to stop and examine any computer stuff I find on the curb. My kids get kind of irritated waiting in a running car while I examine stuff.. Our lake community about every 3 years has a free drop-off for large trash. I have picked up more "good stuff" than my wife will let me keep. I usually volunteer so I can help unload and preselect any stuff before it goes in the truck sized bins. Best find was a Toshiba 21" TV with a broken power cord. Lots of old PS/2 and 286 machines and dot matrix printers. The Kansas City surplus place fills bins with the following. Bin #1 motherboards Bin #2 fingerboards Bin #3 power supplies Bin #4 cables I don't know where the documentation and media goes. All of the cases go into the metal scrap bin. I have almost cried when I find something really interesting as a case only in the metal scrap bin. Mike

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silicon grease removal

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

Hello, Glad to find something besides friction that takes that white silicon grease off things. A friend of mine calls it whale snot. I prefer the clear stuff over the white glop anyday. gary HIldebrand Amigaphile WA7KKP scrounger 1st Class

26 years, 2 months

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Who has the best dumpster?

by markp＠wccls.lib.or.us

Our apartment complex's dumpster is a good source for home electronica (a 13" B&W TV, a cassette deck, a receiver reeking of cigarettes when warmed up, 2 boom boxes, all in working order...), but I've come across only one PC (clone 386). Who has good dumpsters for finding computers? Retailers? Universities? OT, sorta: Our local Goodwill stores here in Portland have the maddening habit of putting all the monitors on these shelves, all the boxes on those shelves, and all the keyboards in that big bin over there... Found the keyboard for a Mac 512k or Plus but could never find the monitor&breadloaf. Then, in the checkout line, I saw it in a cart! Didn't get the machine, but the guy was happy I found the keyboard for him. Later, I thought Idiot! I shoulda checked their dumpster for other odds'n'ends. I've volunteered before to help assemble complete systems, but they don't have the shelf space for it. Good list, Jay. long-time listener, first-time caller, Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com [SMTP:CLASSICCMP@trailing-edge.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 6:51 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: How far can you reach in a dumpster? > > > You must be a lot taller than I am. I jump up on the side and lean > right > >in. > > My favorite technique is to back my car up to the dumpster, pop the trunk > open, climb on my bumper then into the dumpster, and start sorting and > tossing the good stuff into the trunk. > > A good number of the PDP-11 freeware tapes in the archives were rescued > that way :-). > > Tim.

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Who has the best dumpster?

by aek＠spies.com

"They'll routinely get FOUR OR FIVE semi-truck-loads of equipment in at once - but they have signs up threatening arrest for dumpster diving, and the police routinely patrol around back. 8-(" Let me guess, they only put out PC stuff and Macs, and throw the rest away, because it doesn't sell? Since Austin was the home of the TI Computer division, is there ANY 990 series minicomputer stuff that shows up down there?

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by markp＠wccls.lib.or.us

>I personally find this discussion thread to be scary at best. >What does it say about us? A. cheapskates B. friends to Mother Earth C. need a life D. all of the above Mark

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My6502 Progress

by edick＠idcomm.com

Yes, and I got a spam from an easter-European company offering to make up to 16-layer boards (large, but I don't remember how large) for $26 each, quantity 1. Silkscreen and Solder mask were extra. Now I 've got to see where I stashed it. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 9:14 PM Subject: Re: My6502 Progress >--- "Richard A. Cini, Jr." <rcini(a)msn.com> wrote: >> Hello, all: >> >> For those not necessarily following my 6502-based SBC project on my Web >> site, here's the latest. >> >> The schematics are done, I just have to make some minor tweaks. Then I >> can work on the PCB layout. > >With all the recent discussion, I'd like to know what you are using for >layout software. > >> Anyway, what I'm going to do is make DXF pictures out of them and post >> them to my site for all to see. Comments will be welcomed. > >Cool. > >> Once the design is finalized, I'll have a prototype board made so that I >> can see if it works. > >I'd also be interested in knowing who's burning your prototype and how much >it runs you. I still have delusions of completing my 1802 SBC. > >-ethan > > >===== >Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. >Please send all replies to > > erd(a)iname.com >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com

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silicon grease removal

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Ah.. the white stuff is almost assuredly not silicon grease, but rather <titanium dioxide. It's commonly used as a thermal paste, and if the dust <is inhaled it is highly toxic. As long as the paste is still plastic <though you're fairly safe. It's when it's dried out you really want to be <careful with it. I think your confusing Berillium Oxide (BeO, very bad stuff) with Titanium dioxide(commonly used to make white) which is nearly inert. Allison

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Poor contact repair (was: Re: The pure *hell* of restoring a PDP-8/S desktop.

by aek＠spies.com

"Umm, interesting to hear that about simple green.... that would be the stuff that I've always used to clean toilets and tile floors... " It's also widely used in arcade game collector circles for restoring control panels. One thing i'm wondering about is what the military uses for this problem (not everything is conformally coated). I remember looking at the web page for Stabilant 22, and it left me (on purpose, no doubt) wondering exactly what the stuff really was.

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Microvax 3100 Model 30 in Kansas City

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<> Just came across a surplus MicroVax 3100 model 30. Anyone want it? <> Mike < <I've got a Model 38 VaxStation I'm working to restore... <Is that a Qbus box or Vaxstation? < <Bill Thats a vaxstation or a VAXserver and definatly not Qbus (none of the 3100 series are Q.). The 3100s are basically single board pizza boxes though there are double height models (3100m20e) with one main board and several daughter boards to add memory, video planes, IO. They generally expect SCSI disks. As small vaxen go they are 2.4vups at the low end and low power up to some fire breathing versions like the m90. Allison

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My6502 Progress

by rcini＠msn.com

Hello, all: For those not necessarily following my 6502-based SBC project on my Web site, here's the latest. The schematics are done, I just have to make some minor tweaks. Then I can work on the PCB layout. The board size is now 9"x7", which is way bigger than I anticipated. There are 20 ICs on the board, most of which are 24, 28, or 40 pin jobbies. Anyway, what I'm going to do is make DXF pictures out of them and post them to my site for all to see. Comments will be welcomed. Once the design is finalized, I'll have a prototype board made so that I can see if it works. Rich [ Rich Cini [ ClubWin!/CW1 [ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking [ Collector of "classic" computers [ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ <================ reply separator =================> ?

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Who has the best dumpster?

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:21:46 -0600 John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com> writes: >Another great source of machines is company auctions. A lot of >companies sell their old written-off computers at deep discounts >to their employees or anyone else who will pay for them. >You'll only hear about these if all your friends know you're a >scrounger. *GRRRRRRR!!!* *Dont* Get me started with this! Our MIS department is manned by a bunch of goosestepping Nazi brownshirts who *insist* on giving all of our surplus machines to a 'wholesaler'. They used to sell/give them to employees, but changed the 'policy' last year. "We don't have the time to prepare these machines for employees to buy them". Lame, stupid, BS reason. @#$%&* Where's my valium? Jeff ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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[CC] Clarifying my "Wanted" posting.

by foxnhare＠jps.net

> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:25:04 GMT > From: "David Vohs" <netsurfer_x1(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CC] Clarifying my "Wanted" posting. > > First off, here is my original posting: > > >I am looking for a copy of the old Macintosh speech synthesizer program > >called "Smooth Talker" from First Byte. I had this program >on a floppy > >that my electronics teacher gave to me last year, but >the floppy has since > >worn out & I have been searching *everywhere* >for a copy, but to no avail. > >If you have a copy, *do not* send me a >disk image, as my Mac > (original Mac >upgraded to Mac Plus specs.) >does not recognize them at all. I must > ask, > >however, that it come on >an 800K floppy, 400K is not enough space! > >I am looking for a driver for aforementioned Macintosh for an Apple > Color >Stylewriter 2400. I don't want that printer to be reduced to >dust > magnet >status! > > Clarification: I am looking for the aforementioned drivers/programs *on a > disk*, *NOT* as a disk image! Disk images are totally useless to me, & > my Mac does not like them *at all*. I tried to make a disk image once, > but it didn't work. The only 'StyleWriter' class printer you would get going on your 'Plus specced' mac, would be either a Stylewriter or Stylewriter II, and would require at least system 6. :/ You need 68020 mac or better for the color stylewriters. -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011

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Who has the best dumpster?

by markp＠wccls.lib.or.us

>I live in a tiny town of 6,000 people. My local mom-and-pop computer >store (repair, Internet, service, they do it all) routinely tosses out >semi-dead motherboards (the serial port got zapped, no one wants a >separate serial card, so it's history), too-small hard drives, >working VGA-ish monitors, etc. I can't imagine what a larger >repair shop would routinely toss. >- John Do they have signs threatening dumpster-divers with slow painful death like the thrift stores do? Mark

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Poor contact repair (was: Re: The pure *hell* of restoring a PDP-8/S desktop.

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Umm, interesting to hear that about simple green.... that would be the stuff that I've always used to clean toilets and tile floors... Will J ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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TK50 with KA650

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<really? all the docs i see generally say put tape controllers at the end, <in low priorities. with KA630 it worked in the same position (granted, <the KA630 might have been slow enough that it didnt matter). The priority <i always gave stuff was , first network, then the async muxes, then <disks, then tapes. generally true but all the uVAX docs I have for the qbus beasties seem to make the TK50 streaming tape an exception. From using it under VMS it does make a difference. <the board might have just flaked out, too. Or the drive!

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Need a SUN-based VME system

by aek＠spies.com

"Better look again. Both the 3/50 and 3/60 are Pizza Boxes. The 3/75 is apparently a 2 VME Slot Pizza Box, now that sounds wierd! " I forgot about that one (mostly because the power supplies burned up a lot in them..) They were "Carrera" (68020) CPU boards, with a VME SCSI board in the second slot. There are also a bunch of third party 6U VME Sun compatible CPU cards that were made. Since the application for the system wasn't specified, it's tough to suggest what type of system is appropriate.

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Microvax 3100 Model 30 in Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Just came across a surplus MicroVax 3100 model 30. Anyone want it? Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu Computer surplus scrounger, bin diver, pallet mover, dust blower, classic computer lover, non PC computer discoverer, lover of old but not forgotten technology

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Need a SUN-based VME system

by aek＠spies.com

">PS: Is the Sun 3/50 VME-based?? I _think_ that's a 68k based pizza box. Check http://www.sunhelp.org for pointers to info on the various models. " No, neither is is 3/60 The 3/110, 3/150 or 4/110's were in four slot VME chassis. Most of the rest were in either rack mounted 12 slot desk or rack mount chassis. I'm rather fond of the 12 slot rack mount chassis, myself. Easy to work on, with a big power supply. There was also a 7 slot desk side chassis. I haven't seen too many VME Sun systems getting thrown away any more, most of them now are first and second generation Sun 4's.

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Who has the best dumpster?

by markp＠wccls.lib.or.us

>Don't forget that at least in the Portland area you have to make a day of >it and go to *ALL* the Goodwill stores in the area. You'll find one part >of the system in Beaverton, another in Tigard, another on Burnside, then >another at the main store. > Zane (assuming you don't mean Portland, Maine) You are correct, sir. Portland, Oregon, I should have said. (Forgive my provincialism, good people of Maine!) You're also correct about systems and collections getting scattered among various outlets. But then, you first learn that lesson as a teenager pedal your bike around, paperback-shopping: "Lessee here, _Fellowship of the Ring_ was at that store, _Two Towers_ is at this one, wonder who's got _Return of the King_...?" Mark

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Need a SUN-based VME system

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, I need a VME-based SUN system or better yet a SBUS to VME component. I also need a VME rack as well. Does anyone have one or know of one that is being dumped???? Ram PS: Is the Sun 3/50 VME-based?? -- ,,,, /'^'\ ( o o ) -oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------- | Ram Meenakshisundaram | | Senior Software Engineer | | OpenLink Financial Inc | | .oooO Phone: (516) 227-6600 x267 | | ( ) Oooo. Email: rmeenaks(a)olf.com | ---\ (----( )-------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/

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LISP machine Available

by mcquiggi＠sfu.ca

Hi Gang: >From my recent email: >I've got a friend that wants to get rid of a Symbolics 3650 LISP machine. It's >got the works, extra backplanes, manuals, full data tape set, tons and tons of >cables, 850MB harddrive. It's circa 1987. The asking price is **FREE**. He's >moving and doesn't want to move it with him. Or would you know of anyone else >who would want it? Anyone interested? I'm going to see this machine Thursday night. I'll take some photos and post them for anyone who might be interested. The computer is in Vancouver, BC. More info as I get it. Kevin ========================================================== Sgt. Kevin McQuiggin, Vancouver Police Department E-Comm Project (604) 215-5095; Cell: (604) 868-0544 Email: mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca

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