- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

There is a lady named Louise Barrett that owns a Flea market located at 8919 Natural Bridge Rd. at I-70 in Bel-Ridge, phone is 314-423-6335. She has cases after cases of printer ribbons and toner cartridges for lasers and is willing to let it all go for next to nothing just take it all. I could not do it as we had the small van with us and not my big one. You collectors there may want to get together and split up among yourselves. I only got a small number of items there this trip and will put a list soon along with some auctions items I got at a apple dealer sale. John Keys

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A reason to hit ARC, etc.

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

It might be Aircraft Radio Corporation, makers of the well known ARC-5 radio, but somehow I doubt it. Joe At 02:47 PM 8/22/00 -0500, you wrote: >Betraying my ignorance, but what's an ARC? > >-- Tony > >> ---------- >> From: Will Jennings[SMTP:xds_sigma7@hotmail.com] >> Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 2:46 PM >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >> Subject: A reason to hit ARC, etc. >> >> At one ARC in Colorado Springs (prices in dollars in parenthesis): >> VAXstation 2000 (6) >> the TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 front end programs for the '11 in the system (3) >> An HP-150 (which I am kicking myself for not buying even though it was a >> year ago! 6) >> >> Will J >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >> >

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Digital Ultra Note

by mbg＠world.std.com

>I saw a small notebook computer called a Digital Ultra Note at the >recycling center. unfortunately, the guy who handles surplus sales >is gone for 2 weeks so i wasnt able to obtain it, but i'm curious >about it. My web searches return things that look more like laptop >computers than a thin notebook computer. Hinote Ultra Nice machine... top of the line was the CT475, active matrix, 486 at 75 mhz. If you look at the machine, you should notice it does NOT have a floppy drive... for the 'Hinote Ultra', the floppy is an optional wedge which attaches underneath. One can also attach a CDrom and speaker system to one of these machines. In this case, though, you lose the floppy. I know I'd love to get another one (mine is currently on the disabled list). Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

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Digital Ultra Note

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I saw a small notebook computer called a Digital Ultra Note at the recycling center. unfortunately, the guy who handles surplus sales is gone for 2 weeks so i wasnt able to obtain it, but i'm curious about it. My web searches return things that look more like laptop computers than a thin notebook computer. Can anyone tell me anything about this computer? does it even come with a floppy drive, or are all peripherals external (this is a very thin laptop, they had 2 stacks of laptops and this was at least 1/2 as thin as the rest). -Lawrence LeMay

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Digital Ultra Note

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

The floppy drive is an external wedge that sits underneath the system. There is a CD-ROM available for it as well as part of a multimedia expansion tray that the notebook sits in, but you can't have both the floppy and the CD connected at the same time. Here's a link to DEC's timeline which includes a HiNote Ultra reference: http://www.montagar.com/dfwcug/VMS_HTML/timeline/1994.htm -- Tony > ---------- > From: Lawrence LeMay[SMTP:lemay@cs.umn.edu] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 5:15 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Digital Ultra Note > > I saw a small notebook computer called a Digital Ultra Note at the > recycling center. unfortunately, the guy who handles surplus sales > is gone for 2 weeks so i wasnt able to obtain it, but i'm curious > about it. My web searches return things that look more like laptop > computers than a thin notebook computer. > > Can anyone tell me anything about this computer? does it even come with > a floppy drive, or are all peripherals external (this is a very thin > laptop, they had 2 stacks of laptops and this was at least 1/2 as thin > as the rest). > > -Lawrence LeMay >

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pdp 8/e M8655 serial card

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I cant read the schematics of the M8655 on the various web sites, so i cant see how to configure the card for baud rate and device codes, etc, etc. The main console should be devices 03 and 04, if i recall correctly >from 25 years ago... Does anyone have this information in a text file, or a better quality scan of the printset? -Lawrence LeMay

26 years, 1 month

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> wrote: > Someone asked: > > How can you tell about the original ROMs and 13 sector disk? > > I'll bet Eric Smith knows this (as well as how to properly identify a > > 13-sector disk controller...one clue is that it is missing the sticker > > that has the Apple logo with a "16" inside, but that isn't a reliable > > indicator). > > A 13-sector controller's PROMs are labelled P5 and P6, whereas a 16-sector > controller has P5A and P6A. > > It is reasonable to upgrade a 13 sector controller to P5 with P6A. This > retains the 13-sector boot code, but upgrades the state machine to be > capable of reading 16-sector format. In my machine I had two controllers, > one with P5 and P6A, the other with P5A and P6A. I would boot 13-sector > disks from the former and 16-sector from the latter, but when 16-sector > software was running, it could use all four drives. Are the contents of the PROMs available anywhere for download? I happen to have an ancient Data I/O programmer that will blow them and a *very* limited supply of blanks (the COMBOARD-I used a pair of 256x8 PROMs for boot ROMs) I wouldn't mind making a set of 13-sector PROMs. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

26 years, 1 month

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A reason to hit ARC, etc.

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Its umm American Retarded Citizens or something like that... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

26 years, 1 month

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A reason to hit ARC, etc.

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

At one ARC in Colorado Springs (prices in dollars in parenthesis): VAXstation 2000 (6) the TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 front end programs for the '11 in the system (3) An HP-150 (which I am kicking myself for not buying even though it was a year ago! 6) Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Lethal computers? No, but certainly painful ones

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Umm, well once when my dad and I were moving some of my Perkin-Elmers, a 3210 decided it didn't want to stay on our tractor's forklift attachment... and it left sideways, and guess who was standing nearby... I lept sideways out of the way, but it still clipped my side and sent me flying... hurt like hell, and it gave me a nice red mark across my side and my leg. Fortunately, both myself and the computer are both ok... I've also had my fingers smashed by a 600 pound disk drive... had my foot run over by the same drive, and struggled to push an IBM mainframe up a hill. However, I'm not sure whether my dad or the computers are more dangerous... he pushed the disk drive into my hand, and he ran over my foot with it too... ;p Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Apple Recall of powerbooks (fwd)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Forwarding this to the list, as per request, got sent directly to me by mistake :^) Obviously I don't agree with the following. Just wish I had a 5300 and $1700, I'd be jumping on this deal. Though got to admit I'd only heard about the battery problems, not the reliability problems. Zane Forwarded message: > From jpero(a)sympatico.ca Mon Aug 21 13:58:45 2000 > From: jpero(a)sympatico.ca > Comments: Authenticated sender is <b1fkdt86(a)pop6.sympatico.ca> > To: healyzh(a)aracnet.com > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:57:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: Apple Recall of powerbooks > Priority: normal > In-reply-to: <200008212033.NAA00903(a)shell1.aracnet.com> > References: <000501c00b6b$b01164b0$3c37d986(a)fauradon.beckman.com> from "FBA" at Aug 21, 2000 07:30:59 AM > X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Message-Id: <20000821205838.BBUW12424.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@pii350> > > > From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com > > Subject: Re: Apple Recall of powerbooks > > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:33:21 -0700 (PDT) > > Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > > > http://www.pbzone.com/index.shtml#applestore > > > States that apple will be destroying the PB that are sent back. > > > Time to find those babies and protect them from doom. > > > Francois > > > > There is a good reason they're trying to get them back and destroyed. > > They're a fire hazard. Basically use them at your own risk, and if possible > > without the batteries installed. IIRC, those batteries can explode under > > the correct conditions. > > Misinformation again. That's for lithium-ion batteries recall. > Rest I hear is reliablity issues besides this lithium-ion. > > But I'm still not conviced that apple should waste time sending out > this to pull in people to give up their lucky still working 190 and > 5300 and force them to spend 1700. Still doesn't sound right. I'm > after the truth. > > 1. Is Apple weaseling out of this deal? > 2. Is Apple anxious to earn some profits? > 3. Is apple trying to clear out the performance similaries to other > powerbooks but lesser features and expansion get cramped by ridding > of 190 and 5300? > > Remember, Apple have always cut corners and skrimped on cost and > durablity, reliablity. All I think of this that might made people > happy is stockholders. > > Even the worst maker actually had similar problems like this and left > it as is and moved on without fuss. Bondwell was horrible in past, > toshiba and few others were or are like that currently, poor support. > > My advice. Turn down toshiba, compaq, pb, apple. Look at ibm, asus > and few others instead. > > Wizard > > > Zane >

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OT: Goodwill's charter

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

This whole thread's killing me, but that's a hazard of staying connected to the community :>. Goodwill's mission is to provide jobs and training. A bio of the founder, Edgar J. Helms, availible at http://www.makeadifferenceusa.org/honorees/helms.html alludes to this. The fact that these jobs and associated training sometimes involve sorting and selling donated used goods as a means to that end doesn't exclude a museum. The museum could very well also provide employment in a similar manner, and be within their "charter." --Mike

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Subtle question, only a true collector can answer :-)

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I'd use the licenses... the licenses I use were bought by the Denver Nuggets, though I did get the hobbyist license, I never could get the damn thing to work. I really only care about using the licenses so that the damn "unlicensed" message goes away. And as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather castrate myself with rusty hedge clippers than give ComCrap *any* of my money... I'd give DEC money for real licenses, but since ComCrap has annihilated them, too damn bad if they want money. Ok that was a satisfying rant ;p Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open

by reyes＠orion.ae.utexas.edu

If you are ever in Austin Texas you may want to check this out. RR >X-eGroups-Return: alex(a)goodwillcomputerworks.net >To: gwcw(a)egroups.com >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Originating-IP: 204.96.175.242 >From: "Goodwill Computerworks" <alex(a)goodwillcomputerworks.net> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Mailing-List: list gwcw(a)egroups.com; contact gwcw-owner(a)egroups.com >Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:51:59 -0000 >Reply-To: gwcw-owner(a)egroups.com >Subject: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open >Status: > > >Just a quick email to let you know the Goodwill Computerworks Museum >will be open beginning this Saturday, August 18th. For those of you >who haven't visited in a while, we've expanded the museum and it now >includes over 100 machines! From 1977 to recent years, from the >smallest handheld computers to a Cray EL94, we have quite an array of >computer history. > >Stop on by and have a look, and if you have any questions, comments, >or you would like to donate any items to the museum, please contact a >store associate. The museum is located in the back of the retail >store, 8701A Research Blvd., open Monday through Saturday 10-7 and >Sunday 11-7. > >Thanks for reading, and we hope you enjoy it! > > > >Community email addresses: > Subscribe: gwcw-subscribe(a)onelist.com > Unsubscribe: gwcw-unsubscribe(a)onelist.com > List owner: gwcw-owner(a)onelist.com >

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Ma Bell and any baby Bell company

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

Hello, Keep in mind the mindset of AT&T: Deny all problems and avoid taking ANY responsibility for the customers' problems. Remember, BELL reall means Better Expect Less and Less . . . . . >From personal experience, I would avoid (as good common sense) any Bell company for any POTS/data services. I'm sure there is a plethora of companies out there who do care about their customers . . . . . Kind regards -- Gary Hildebrand Box 6184 St. Joseph, MO 64506-0184 816-662-2612 or ghldbrd(a)ccp.com

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Aug 21, 20:28, Sellam Ismail wrote: > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, FBA wrote: > > > How can you tell about the original ROMs and 13 sector disk? > I'll bet Eric Smith knows this (as well as how to properly identify a > 13-sector disk controller...one clue is that it is missing the sticker > that has the Apple logo with a "16" inside, but that isn't a reliable > indicator). Look at the PROMs on the controller. On a 13-sector card, the chips are type P5 and P6; on a 16-sector, they are P5A and P6A. Occasionally, you may find one original (no 'A') and one 'A'. I forget which is which, but one of the PROMs contains code and the other is a state machine; it was possible to upgrade the code for slightly better reliability without going all the way to 16-sector. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by foo＠siconic.com

On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Mike Ford wrote: > The last red book, by itself sold for well over $100 on eBay. Woof. > OTOH I would be hard pressed to pay more than $25 for just the II. > > I mention this not to set some "fair" price, but as an observation on how > difficult setting a fair price can be. > > A better question is "what is it worth to YOU", then send guilt money as > needed. I agree. I say send $25 and be content. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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Manual scannaging (NIA20)...

by vaxman＠uswest.net

Hi All, I have started the arduous task of scanning the manuals I recently paid too much for on EBay, and I would be interested in suggestions... The first 20 (~9% or so) pages of the NIA20 manual is online at: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hardware/6214/index.html You should be able to search on any word in the document. I haven't decided about hotspots in the table of contents to take you to a particular page... Suggestions? clint PS Unfortunately, the book is softbound, so scanning is a page at a time process... PPS The 780 stuff is looseleaf, so I am going to try out the autofeeder at work tommorrow... It's sposed to email me a PDF file...

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/21/00 9:30:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net writes: > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Date: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:37 PM > Subject: Re: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - * > > > >>> Did the PS/1 have a 5.25" drive (other than external)? > >> No external, it was internal. > > > >No, it most certainly was NOT internal. > >The PS/1 has an internal 3.5 inch drive. > > > I'm sitting here looking at one! Machine type # 2133, model number G53. > Under the folding front door there is a 5.25" floppy (1.2mb). No > provisions > for a external drive and it's owner (first and only) said the 3.5" 1.44mb > drive was added, and she had to get a new bezel for it. > > Maybe a variation? > > Allison All PS/1s came with modems and 3.5 drives. some of the midrange 2133,2155 and 2168 models had 5.25 drives, either as a combo drive, or seperately. DB Young ICQ: 29427634 hurry, hurry, step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! -> www.nothingtodo.org

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - * >>> Did the PS/1 have a 5.25" drive (other than external)? >> No external, it was internal. > >No, it most certainly was NOT internal. >The PS/1 has an internal 3.5 inch drive. I'm sitting here looking at one! Machine type # 2133, model number G53. Under the folding front door there is a 5.25" floppy (1.2mb). No provisions for a external drive and it's owner (first and only) said the 3.5" 1.44mb drive was added, and she had to get a new bezel for it. Maybe a variation? Allison >

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

What would you consider an original Apple II (not the II+ or IIe) to be worth? I received one and I'm going to cover their shipping cost but want to give a little something extra for the system. Got a bunch of original doc, software, cards etc. with it. The only minus is the original boot rom was exchanged with an auto-start rom. But I have an original rom which was swapped with the auto-start rom in an Apple II+ so I can make it whole again. :-) Any comments on value? ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

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source for W3 to VGA connectors?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Does anyone know of a source for 3W3 to VGA connectors? This is to connect a DEC 4000/VLC to a VGA type monitor. I've got the 3W3 to BNC cable but I'd rather not have to use the VR299 all the time :-) --Chuck

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C&K 7413 switch

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

Does anyone have a inexpensive source for some C&K 7413 switches? I checked Digi-Key, but they want $21.12 per switch! These switches are used to turn Terak computers on/off, or force a reboot. -Lawrence LeMay

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For those not reading alt.sys.pdp8

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

The PDP-8/X http://surfin.spies.com/~dgc/pdp8x/ "The PDP-8/X is a reimplementation of the PDP-8/I, with 32K words of memory (all the memory you can put on a PDP-8/I), an extended memory control, an interface to an RS-232 terminal, and an interface to an IDE disk." Looks kinda cool. He mentions in a posting that he'll post the XILINX code in a few days. Zane

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VCF Requests

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Welllll, if I journey out there from CO, I could bring a case or 2 of Mr. Pibb I suppose.... My want list: Minicomputers Mainframes Supercomputers Arcane UNIX boxen Workstations (Apollo, Whitechapel, Three Rivers, Ardent, Stardent, Stellar) Symbolics machines Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 1 month

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Subtle question, only a true collector can answer :-)

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Ok, so over the weekend I picked up a couple of VAXen. They were both in DEC "BA213" enclosures that were mounted to 19" DEC racks. Neither uses disks that are in the racks, although one used a tape drive that is in its rack. Here's the question, lets say I take all of the cards and move them from the BA213 in the rack, into a BA213 that is in one of the roll around pedestals. Is the system still "original" ? Clearly the only way to tell it isn't the same is that the serial number on the chassis has changed, even though the sticker is the same system type. My take on it is that its still the same if it is the same set of parts in the same configuration as I got them, other views? On a semi-related note, I paid $100 for a 4000/VLC on Ebay (I know, over market, but the thing was "new" in the box. I bid on it on a hunch, and my hunch proved to be accurate, in the original documentation are the license PAKs that go with the system, un-opened, never been used, waiting for the system "buyer" to activate/use. Clearly I can use these (LMF will accept them as valid) but what is the legality question here? DEC sold the system with these licenses to be used on it, and I'm planning on doing so. Further the licenses appear to be "generic" in the sense that they aren't addressed to a particular owner. Comments? --Chuck

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 8/20/00 9:11:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: > On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Bill Dawson wrote: > > > Early 128K IBM PS/1 with 5.25" floppy drive and PS/1 power cube, PS1 > > keyboard (not chicklets), separate PS/1 color monitor, 2 PS/1 joysticks, > > and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in the IBM > > I always wondered what era the IBM PS/1 is from? I've seen PS/1 machines > but they look 90s. And I never heard of them before the PS/2, although it > would seem logical that the PS/1 came first. What's the deal? > > Sellam PS/1s were made from 1990 to 1994. they were consumer models and used everything between 286-10 to 486-66 cpus. PS/2s were commerical desktop machines. Most people recognize the PS/1 as one of the first three models that used 286/386 cpus. they were a proprietary design with small cases and matching monitors. later models were standard LPX designs with power management. very simple and easy to fix. I've two early PS/1s in my collection. david, former PS/1 and Aptiva technical support DB Young ICQ: 29427634 hurry, hurry, step right up! see the computers you used as a kid! -> www.nothingtodo.org

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Hidden Treasures and Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Second post of correction, since some seem to have missed it: To all, Please note the correction in the description of the one IBM system available below. I meant PC jr, not PS/1. Somehow, I hope this is related to a major blow I received on my head last night in an accident, which cut my scalp about 1.5 across and peeled it back about 2 inches. This would have to be in a place where I had already lost hair. If this isn't related, then it was just a stupid mistake d8^) I guess this an appropriate topic to put out the word about a fairly obscure organization in SW PA that regularly has vintage computers for sale at their Canonsburg location (and now on this list) and my relationship with them. The main organization is called The Washington City Mission, which is a Christian Homeless Rehabilitation Shelter, and they operate five "Hidden Treasures" retail stores in the local area. They also operate the Avis Arbor Women's Shelter. Drop-offs are accepted at all store locations, but they also have several box vans which are out in the community during the weekdays making pickups which are arranged by donors calling in. Quoting from their literature: "Five Hidden Treasures thrift stores in Burgettstown, Canonsburg, Donora, Washington and Waynesburg offer excellent quality used merchandise at affordable prices. Your purchase at one of our stores provides revenue for us to continue our programs. Our stores are a ministry in each community, offering free of reduced cost merchandise to those in need. Whether you are rich or poor, there is something for everyone at Hidden Treasures." I started out as a regular customer at the Canonsburg location, often finding vintage computers and equipment at very reasonable prices. Terry, the manager at the Canonsburg store, informed me they were not picking up a lot of computer equipment because they didn't have anyone to go through it and check it out. He offered me a volunteer position as their "computer man", which I accepted. In return for testing and configuring "newer" PC's for low income families and other needy persons, I get all the vintage equipment that comes in, if I want it. The word is out now, and all computer equipment is accepted. Needless to say the usual things are plentiful, Commodores, Atari's, etc., but it is great to get some systems in that are still new in the box, along with an occasional CP/M system. We will be relocating the store in the future, so I am planning a vintage computer museum section. The difference will be that, unlike Goodwill, everything will be available for very reasonable prices. We are also planning on selling on eBay. Right now we have several complete vintage PC systems for sale, and lots of components. If anyone on this list is interested, contact me off list with a reasonable offer, exclusive of actual shipping costs. I'm not talking anywhere near eBay prices here. Just cover the time needed to pack things for shipping and a reasonable donation. And yes, your donation is tax deductible. Shipping available via UPS Ground and USPS parcel post, USPS Priority for smaller items and if requested. Photos also available upon request. And if you can get to our store, contact me for directions and a meeting time. Current systems and components that need homes: Original IBM 5150 PC, dual floppies, 5153 CGA monitor, IBM PC keyboard and 80 column IBM printer. Great physical and working condition. Early 128K IBM PC jr with 5.25" floppy drive and PC jr power cube, PC jr keyboard (not chicklets), separate PC jr color monitor, 2 PC jr joysticks, and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in the IBM plastic boxes, 4 are on cartridges, the rest are on floppies, all have manuals. Also includes all the original PC jr manuals and software, IBM DOS 2.X (I think 2.0 or 2.01) with slipcover binder. I can supply a list of the software titles to anyone seriously interested in this package. I also have the IBM 132 column printer that came in with all this. Great physical and working condition. Complete Apple Performa 637CD, Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor, Keyboard, Mouse. Great physical and working condition. Early NEC PC, monitor and keyboard. Details if requested. Haven't checked it out yet. IBM PC jr color monitor. (#2) Various EGA and CGA monitors. Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor (#2) Lots and lots of PC keyboards. 80 column dot matrix printers, mostly tractor feed. PC power supplies. Various PC network cards, BNC/RJ-45. I pull them from the PC systems that come in. Other items arriving just about every day. I'm going to try to get approval for us to accept large business systems also. We have the storage in Washington, and with the large area that our trucks, with lift gates, cover, some great stuff is bound to turn up eventually. My recent finds: Atari 130XE NIB, C-128 NIB, Commodore 1526 LQ printer, NIB, lots of accessories, and boxes and boxes of manuals and diskettes. If there is interest within this group, more posts will follow and nothing much will end up on eBay. And remember, this endeavor supports a very worthy cause. Bill -> This is a "GOODWILL COMPUTERWORKS". A dedicated computer store. -> -> *ALL THEY SELL* is computers. All the computers donated to Goodwill across -> the state are trucked here, where if possible, they're reassembled into -> working boxes/parts (in the case of PCs), tested, and put out on the -> shelves for people to buy. 99% of the people coming in are looking for -> a PC, Mac, parts for same, or a printer or keyboard, etc; they've just -> recently opened up the "back room" with the old vintage stuff. -> -> People that go to the store *are* interested in the museum; they've -> been doing it to a limited extent for the past 2-3 years (as long as -> I've been going to the store), but have just recently gotten the room -> to expand it. -> -> When I spoke to one of the employees yesterday, he said that they get -> offered TONS more stuff that they simply dont have room for, but would -> love to take. I'm trying to work with them to establish another mailing -> list of collectors for this stuff - so that if GWCW gets offered a piece -> of hardware that they dont have the room for, the people on the list can -> then take a shot at it. -> -> If you want the "normal" GoodWill store, where you can buy clothing, -> coffee pots, old furnitre, etc, the newly expanded and remodeled store -> is about a half mile up the street.

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Thoughts on a datascope

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 03:16 PM 8/21/00 -0400, you wrote: >Remove the HD and attached it as the second drive in an >old bootable PC that already has one MFM drive. You'll >need to get the drive parameters for the drive entered >into the CMOS; I think I used to use SpeedStor (?) for >that. Other utilities exist. I imagine the older Linuxes support MFM controllers. Perhaps even the current versions do, too. You could simply 'dd' the drive image to another device. My favorite backup trick recently was getting drive images >from an Amiga 2500 to a PC for use under an emulator. I mounted the PC's drive under NFS, then used a freeware program to copy the drive image to the remote file. - John

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VCF Requests

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

I thought that at least the Apple IIe is the higher grade of R@RE, or even L**K U-L-T-R-A R@R3!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Marvin Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 3:13 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: VCF Requests Well, mostly what I am looking for is documentation for S-100 stuff. I have a number of things I am willing to trade: *RARE* Apple IIe w/ Kensington Fan *RARE* Apple II+ w/ Kensington Fan *RARE* Commodore 64 in the box *RARE*? Wang Tower (don't recall model #, and didn't find ebay listing so I am just assuming it is *RARE* :).) For those that question my use of *RARE*, obviously you have not been visiting the ebay listings and I strongly suggest you do to find out that these systems are truly *RARE* :). Along the lines of docs, I have quite a bit of Polymorphic Documentation, and while I won't sell the originals (they look to be the originals used to make copies for distribution), copies are no problem. Just let me know what you are looking for in plenty of time for me to check and make copies. I will use Kinko's to do the copies. I also have quite a bit in the way of Vector Graphic Documentation including system disks. Most of the docs look like Xerox copies in Vector binders. I also have probably about 100 Polymorphic S-100 cards including the CPU, Floppy Disk Card, and Video Card. Most look like they have been partially assembled and most likely would be for someone who knows how to work and troubleshoot S-100 systems. I can also provide a manual with them. Lots of other stuff, but this will do for starters.

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Original Apple II (not + or e or other)

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

I'd consider $20 or so--be interesting to see what the consensus is. --Mike

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4004 & 4040 Datasheets

by phil＠ultimate.com

> They come from the 1976 Inelco Databook. In future I may also place the > 8080 and the 8008 datasheets here > http://xgistor.ath.cx/files I get redirected to http://reptile.thuis.noordwijk/files/ which doesn't exist! -phil

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PDP 11/23 Available

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

I just got a call from a gentleman I spoke to some time back who works at a public television station. They have two PDP 11/23 CPU cards in chassis, plus a full set of peripheral cards (not sure of details), and two RL02 drives, probably with several disk packs. This is basically one operational system plus a spare CPU and chassis. They would like to get them out of there sometime this week. If you're interested, let me know and I'll get you in touch with the right person. Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

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Apple Recall of powerbooks

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 21, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > Not ten year old yet but urgent... > > Seens like Apple is actively trying to eradicate the powerbooks 5300 and > > 190. > > What CPU does the 5300/190 have in it? What were the issues? My 5300c has a PPC603e/100. It has no issues that I'm aware of. Not sure what others have experienced. -Dave McGuire

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated Mon, 21 Aug 2000 1:26:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> writes: << > Anybody in the SF bay area who would like some PCJrs? PS/2s? Don't make > me bring a big pile of stuff to VCF! I have a copy of the original King's Quest here that's dying for a PCjr to run on, but I don't know too much about them to be a good PCjr shepherd. -- ------- I wouldnt mind another pcjr if it was the standard model. the enhanced model had the disk drive, and the standard model only had 64k and the two cart ports. I've got a good stash of pcjr stuff myself, including one equipped with a hard drive and 640k.

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A Call for Exhibitor's at VCF 4.0!

by vcf＠siconic.com

If you are planning to exhibit at VCF 4.0, now is the time to register! There's only a little over a month left to plan your exhibit. Please register at the following address: http://www.vintage.org/2000/exhibit.html Exhibitors receive a free special edition Exhibitor t-shirt with their paid admission. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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PDP 11/23 Available

by Anthony.Eros＠compaq.com

I'm guessing from the original poster's address that it may be somewhere in Nebraska... > ---------- > From: John Foust[SMTP:jfoust@threedee.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:22 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: PDP 11/23 Available > > At 10:14 AM 8/21/00 -0500, Bill Richman wrote: > >I just got a call from a gentleman I spoke to some time back who works > >at a public television station. > > Location, location, location! > > - John >

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum Pictures

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 11:38 AM 8/21/00 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: >The development OS was called either "REO" or "RIO", IIRC. I used to >work for a firm that had one plus all the docs. They're still in >business, they may still have the stuff. I'll check when I can. I've got a similar paint-scheme but different box Zilog MCZ Z-80 development system, and it runs RIO. - John

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sad auction story

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> >> What a stupid concept! >> > >> >Almost as stupid as sending a check, ... or a money order, ... or a >> >cashiers check. Hey, why buy anything since there are always risks >> >involved. >> >> Yes, but unlike paypal, you can still dispute a payment using the >> other methods and still be able to use them. What paypal does with >> that requirement is remove any recourse a person has... > > Paypal is a means of payment just like a money order or cashiers check. It > is not in the business of arbitration. The means of payment is separate from > the transaction itself ... as it should be. This type of transaction gone > bad is probably something Yahoo should get involved with. If you mail off a > check to someone and it appears that fraud is involved, you don't really > think the bank will get involved do you? On the contrary, if I say to the bank, "I think that cheque number 1203 was cashed fraudulently", I expect them to dig out the cheque and find out what account it was paid into, and if it is not in the name of the person I wrote on the cheque, to find out by whose signature it was endorsed, and help me determine whether the payee really was the person who endorsed it. Etc. This is at least equivalent to Paypal's new terms as posted by Sellam. It also covers the Paypal scam that was described earlier in this thread, even if not the Sorceror scam. The business of contesting payments on other grounds was introduced for credit cards, I think because they are so easy to misuse. I do not like the idea of a service like Paypal tayking away these additional rights (or forbidding you to exercise them, which is essentially the same thing) - on the Net, credit cards are even easier to misuse... That said, if you have been defrauded on a credit card transaction, the credit card company is jointly liable with the seller, and ought to help you recover the money. OK, that's my bit. I'll shut up now... Philip. ********************************************************************** This message and any attachments are confidential and should only be read by those to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us, delete the message from your computer and destroy any copies. Any distribution or copying without our prior permission is prohibited. Internet communications are not always secure and therefore the PowerGen Group does not accept legal responsibility for this message. The recipient is responsible for verifying its authenticity before acting on the contents. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the PowerGen Group. Power Technology: Telephone +44 (0) 115 936 2000 Fax +44 (0) 115 936 2711 E-mail techinfo(a)powertech.co.uk www http://www.powertech.co.uk PowerGen UK plc Registered Office: 53 New Broad Street London EC2M 1SL Registered in England and Wales No: 2366970 **********************************************************************

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum Pictures

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> A few systems they asked me to find out more details on: > > http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-008F.JPG > > "Zilog Z-80 Computer System" (or maybe it said "Development System") - > anybody know any more details about this box? The guy @ GWCW said all > he could find was references to the chip itself. The development OS was called either "REO" or "RIO", IIRC. I used to work for a firm that had one plus all the docs. They're still in business, they may still have the stuff. I'll check when I can. -dq

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum Pictures

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I just got back from the Goodwill Computerworks mentioned a couple of posts ago (its only about 1.5 miles from my house), and I took four disks full of pictures of the "Museum" with my FD-51 Mavica digital cam. Not the GREATEST pics (they're only 640x480), but you can see whats there. They wont sell the EL94 to me for any price; I offered them $1K cash on the spot. 8-( So, my search goes on. The Cray: http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-001F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-002F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-003F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-004F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-005F.JPG Unfortunately, the front cover plate wasnt donated with the machine, what they got was what you see here. A few systems they asked me to find out more details on: http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-008F.JPG "Zilog Z-80 Computer System" (or maybe it said "Development System") - anybody know any more details about this box? The guy @ GWCW said all he could find was references to the chip itself. http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-013F.JPG and http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk1/MVC-014F.JPG System labeled "ibex" ? They've got 2 or 3 of these, a couple still in the original boxes. The other coolest thing I saw (other than the Cray): http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk2/MVC-027F.JPG http://www.pdp11.org/gwcw/disk2/MVC-028F.JPG A Sega Saturn *development system*. Oooh. Anyway, enjoy. Bill -- +-------------------\ /-----------------+ | Bill Bradford | www.sunhelp.org | | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | www.decvax.org | | Austin, Texas USA | www.pdp11.org | +-------------------/ \-----------------+

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sad auction story AND On being ripped off AND sad auction story #2

by r.stek＠snet.net

Interestingly enough I was one of the bidders for the Sorcerer who lost out to Jim (I was on vacation and didn't have my "regular" access to eBay, etc.), so there but for the grace of God go I.... (and I only lost out by a few bucks, too!) On 8-11 I won a bid for a used HP 360lx (payment was paypal only - in retrospect, the first clue. The second was that this was an eBay newbie with 0 feedback). Since I had been monitoring the bid closely I knew I had won and did not wait for the email from eBay stating "Congrats ... contact each other, etc.") The seller's id was an obvious email address (jl_06_02(a)yahoo.com) and I went directly to paypal, found that the seller did have that email address registered with them, so I sent off the winning bid plus the requested $5 shipping. The paypal account was an "unverified" account (i.e., paypal had not yet received a bank account number for direct deposit, rather they would issue a paypal check to the account holder). As I usually do, I then verified by looking at the history that (1)indeed my credit card had been charged, and that (2) notification of payment had been sent to jl_06_02(a)yahoo.com. Fine, so far. Later the next day I received from paypal a "request for payment" from jl; the amount was just for the winning bid and did not include the $5 shipping. I figured that ol' jl hadn't read his email yet to see the confirmation from paypal that I had already paid. So I therefore replied to jl with a cut n' pasted copy of the duplicate confirmation I had received via email from paypal which stated that the amount of the bid plus $5 had been paid. I also went to paypal.com and saw his request in my account, so I cancelled it; my original payment transactions were still there. Later I received an email from jl (same email address as we had started off with) saying "What? You were supposed to pay my request." I then emailed a reply back explaining more clearly what had happened, and requesting that jl check again with paypal and he would see that the transaction had already gone through, and to get back to me if there were any problems. On 8-14 I emailed jl again, requesting an update on what had happened: did he get the money, was he shipping the package, etc. Later in the day I get a message back from the yahoo email server stating that the message could not be delivered. Now I began to get worried. I logged into yahoo and did a search for jl_06_02 - the search came back empty. I logged onto eBay into their dispute resolution section, and giving my logon and pwd and the item # (404256646 for those nosey enough to look for themselves), I was able to obtain the "real" name, address, and phone # of jl_06_02(a)yahoo.com with instructions to contact the person directly before claiming fraud. I placed a phone call to said # and eventually spoke to a nice lady who denied offering the item for bid, and stated that she indeed had just recently become an ebay member but that her email address was different, but that her street address, name (was Jxxx Lxxxxx) and phone number were correct. She also became concerned that someone was using her name and # this way, and denied being contacted by paypal. I also went back to paypal to review my history again. The first item - the charge to my credit card was still there and complete (and I also verified with my cc company that a charge had been made), but the other two transactions - the receipt of payment to jl and the cancellation of jl's request - no longer had valid links to the information. Instead I got an error message "internal server error" rather than the confirmations I had seen a day or two previously! Oh what a tangle web we weave.... I both emailed and called paypal who told me that their fraud unit would contact me. I emailed both eBay and yahoo - neither of which has responded yet (other than ebay keeping track of the dispute resolution process). I just asked yahoo to confirm that they recently had a member with that email address, though I did also explain the entire situation. I now send out a call for rank amateur speculation from the members of this list. My current theory is that someone at paypal, acting alone or in concert with someone at eBay may be trying some fraudulent scheme - that is based solely on the "internal server error" because immediately after the transaction, the information was there. Who would have a better chance of access to PayPal transactions other than someone at PayPal? Either someone at eBay or one of the real Jxxx Lxxxxx's 3 previous ebay transactions would have access to her real name, address and phone number - the same way I did. Anyone wishing to posit a more benign explanation is free to do so. (One of my favorite sayings, however, is "never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.") (BTW, I am on digest, so I won't see any responses until after the next digest unless you cc me.) Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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Apple Recall of powerbooks

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > Not ten year old yet but urgent... > > Seens like Apple is actively trying to eradicate the powerbooks 5300 and > > 190. > > What CPU does the 5300/190 have in it? What were the issues? The 190 is a 68040; the 5300 is a PowerPC (601) chip. -dq

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Quite all wrong. PS/1 was the ISA-16 (AT bus) repsonse to the PS/2s lack of interest due to it's MCA bus. It was designed to be low cost and compatable. I have a PS/1 Consultant (486sx/25) here. Nice generic box not unlike the DELL 4xx series. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Charles P. Hobbs (SoCalTip) <transit(a)lerctr.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:39 PM Subject: RE: Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - * > > >On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote: > >> On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Bill Dawson wrote: >> >> > Early 128K IBM PS/1 with 5.25" floppy drive and PS/1 power cube, PS1 >> > keyboard (not chicklets), separate PS/1 color monitor, 2 PS/1 joysticks, >> > and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in the IBM >> >> I always wondered what era the IBM PS/1 is from? I've seen PS/1 machines >> but they look 90s. And I never heard of them before the PS/2, although it >> would seem logical that the PS/1 came first. What's the deal? > >PS/1 came out a bit after the PS/2, if I recall correctly. It was >a "cut-down" version of the PS/2 for home use. It lacked some things >that the PS/2 had, but I forget what. (Shades of the PCjr) >

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open - *

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

To all, Please note the correction in the description of the one IBM system available below. I meant PC jr, not PS/1. Somehow, I hope this is related to a major blow I received on my head last night in an accident, which cut my scalp about 1.5 across and peeled it back about 2 inches. This would have to be in a place where I had already lost hair. If this isn't related, then it was just a stupid mistake d8^) I guess this an appropriate topic to put out the word about a fairly obscure organization in SW PA that regularly has vintage computers for sale at their Canonsburg location (and now on this list) and my relationship with them. The main organization is called The Washington City Mission, which is a Christian Homeless Rehabilitation Shelter, and they operate five "Hidden Treasures" retail stores in the local area. They also operate the Avis Arbor Women's Shelter. Drop-offs are accepted at all store locations, but they also have several box vans which are out in the community during the weekdays making pickups which are arranged by donors calling in. Quoting from their literature: "Five Hidden Treasures thrift stores in Burgettstown, Canonsburg, Donora, Washington and Waynesburg offer excellent quality used merchandise at affordable prices. Your purchase at one of our stores provides revenue for us to continue our programs. Our stores are a ministry in each community, offering free of reduced cost merchandise to those in need. Whether you are rich or poor, there is something for everyone at Hidden Treasures." I started out as a regular customer at the Canonsburg location, often finding vintage computers and equipment at very reasonable prices. Terry, the manager at the Canonsburg store, informed me they were not picking up a lot of computer equipment because they didn't have anyone to go through it and check it out. He offered me a volunteer position as their "computer man", which I accepted. In return for testing and configuring "newer" PC's for low income families and other needy persons, I get all the vintage equipment that comes in, if I want it. The word is out now, and all computer equipment is accepted. Needless to say the usual things are plentiful, Commodores, Atari's, etc., but it is great to get some systems in that are still new in the box, along with an occasional CP/M system. We will be relocating the store in the future, so I am planning a vintage computer museum section. The difference will be that everything will be available for very reasonable prices. We are also planning on selling on eBay. Right now we have several complete vintage PC systems for sale, and lots of components. If anyone on this list is interested, contact me off list with a reasonable offer, exclusive of actual shipping costs. I'm not talking anywhere near eBay prices here. Just cover the time needed to pack things for shipping and a reasonable donation. And yes, your donation is tax deductible. Shipping available via UPS Ground and USPS parcel post, USPS Priority for smaller items and if requested. Photos also available upon request. And if you can get to our store, contact me for directions and a meeting time. Current systems and components that need homes: Original IBM 5150 PC, dual floppies, 5153 CGA monitor, IBM PC keyboard and 80 column IBM printer. Great physical and working condition. Early 128K IBM PC jr with 5.25" floppy drive and PC jr power cube, PC jr keyboard (not chicklets), separate PC jr color monitor, 2 PC jr joysticks, and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in the IBM plastic boxes, 4 are on cartridges, the rest are on floppies, all have manuals. Also includes all the original PC jr manuals and software, IBM DOS 2.X (I think 2.0 or 2.01) with slipcover binder. I can supply a list of the software titles to anyone seriously interested in this package. I also have the IBM 132 column printer that came in with all this. Great physical and working condition. Complete Apple Performa 637CD, Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor, Keyboard, Mouse. Great physical and working condition. Early NEC PC, monitor and keyboard. Details if requested. Haven't checked it out yet. IBM PC jr color monitor. (#2) Various EGA and CGA monitors. Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor (#2) Lots and lots of PC keyboards. 80 column dot matrix printers, mostly tractor feed. PC power supplies. Various PC network cards, BNC/RJ-45. I pull them all from the PC systems that come in. Other items arriving just about every day. I'm going to try to get approval for us to accept large business systems also. We have the storage in Washington, and with the large area that our trucks cover, some great stuff is bound to turn up eventually. My recent finds: Atari 130XE NIB, C-128 NIB, Commodore 1526 LQ printer, NIB, lots of accessories, and boxes and boxes of manuals and diskettes. If there is interest within this group, more posts will follow and nothing much will end up on eBay. And remember, this endeavor supports a very worthy cause. Bill -> This is a "GOODWILL COMPUTERWORKS". A dedicated computer store. -> -> *ALL THEY SELL* is computers. All the computers donated to Goodwill across -> the state are trucked here, where if possible, they're reassembled into -> working boxes/parts (in the case of PCs), tested, and put out on the -> shelves for people to buy. 99% of the people coming in are looking for -> a PC, Mac, parts for same, or a printer or keyboard, etc; they've just -> recently opened up the "back room" with the old vintage stuff. -> -> People that go to the store *are* interested in the museum; they've -> been doing it to a limited extent for the past 2-3 years (as long as -> I've been going to the store), but have just recently gotten the room -> to expand it. -> -> When I spoke to one of the employees yesterday, he said that they get -> offered TONS more stuff that they simply dont have room for, but would -> love to take. I'm trying to work with them to establish another mailing -> list of collectors for this stuff - so that if GWCW gets offered a piece -> of hardware that they dont have the room for, the people on the list can -> then take a shot at it. -> -> If you want the "normal" GoodWill store, where you can buy clothing, -> coffee pots, old furnitre, etc, the newly expanded and remodeled store -> is about a half mile up the street.

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4004 & 4040 Datasheets

by sipke＠wxs.nl

A few month ago a promised to make a scan of the INTEL 4004 and 4040 datasheets aviable to the mebers of this list. I now have a place to put these files so take a look if you are so inclined. They come from the 1976 Inelco Databook. In future I may also place the 8080 and the 8008 datasheets here http://xgistor.ath.cx/files I e-mailed some guy at Intel and he told me that placing these scans would not infringe any copyright because Intel provided the information to dealers with the intent of publishing it in their publications. Anyway they'll be aviable until sombody legal asks me to pull them from this site Sipke de Wal

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PayPal's New Fraud Protection Policy (fwd)

by vcf＠siconic.com

I thought I'd forward this along since it explains PayPal's policies and is timely. It doesn't address Jim's dilemma, but it's worth a read. It has some HTML so beware. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 20 Aug 2000 08:01:27 -0000 From: PayPal Business Account Verification <busacctverification(a)x.com> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: PayPal's New Fraud Protection Policy Dear Business Account User, Businesses who use X.com's PayPal service have asked us to clarify our new fraud protections. These safeguards were introduced last week to increase the confidence of both buyers and sellers in our payments network. We'd like to take a moment to describe these protections. Buyer Protection Guarantee For online commerce to thrive, buyers must feel safe and secure purchasing from sellers they don't know. X.com's new Buyer Protection Guarantee protects buyers who pay for goods that were never shipped. In such cases, sellers are required by law to refund the purchase. However, if the seller turns out to be fraudulent, there is often no remedy. Recent cases on eBay have demonstrated this unfortunate problem. X.com's new Buyer Protection Guarantee is simple: if a buyer pays a seller who has been Verified by X.com, then we will guarantee the buyer's money back in case the seller turns out to be fraudulent. This Guarantee is like free insurance for buyers, and will make it much more attractive for buyers to pay Verified sellers with PayPal. The verification status of any seller appears on the confirmation page before the buyer completes payment. So if you have not yet verified your account, please read how below. "Verified by X.com" is an online seal of approval that will help your business. Seller Protection Guarantee X.com also wants to protect our sellers against fraud. As you know, we have never imposed charge backs due to fraud on sellers. This is our Seller Protection Guarantee. We plan to continue this policy. However, in order for us to absorb this major source of risk and expense, we need our sellers to play by a few simple rules. Here they are: * First, starting on August 23, 2000, sellers must be Verified in order to qualify for the Seller Protection Guarantee. There is no other way for us to protect ourselves, buyers, and other PayPal users if we cannot verify the identity of sellers. This is fundamental to the integrity of our payments system. Please see below for details on how to verify your account and why we consider this process necessary. * Second, please retain reasonable proof-of-shipping. Preferably, this proof would come from a shipping service that includes date of shipment, shipping address, and a description of the merchandise whenever possible. * Third, please accept payment from only one PayPal account per purchase - do not accept multiple payments for a single item. (Payments to Business and Premier Accounts do not count against a buyer's $2,000 credit card limit, so you should always be able to sell high-dollar goods while accepting payment from one account.) * Fourth, please do not ship internationally, until X.com releases international payments (coming soon) and a list of approved countries. In addition, we are working on Seller Protection Tools that will tell sellers whether buyers are Verified and whether the buyers' requested shipping address matches their credit card billing address. Once these tools are launched (in about a month), we will be adding a fifth rule: * Only ship Unverified buyers' purchases to their credit card billing address. If the buyer is Verified, you may ship to any address. We will notify you before this rule goes into effect. As long as you abide by these rules, X.com guarantees that you will always be protected against charge backs due to fraud. How to Become "Verified" To verify your PayPal account, simply register and confirm a bank account. Just log in to www.X.com, and look for the "Add Bank Account" link in the How to Activate Your Account box. You will be able to confirm your bank account by completing a simple online process. The instructions are on the website. Why do we ask users to confirm ownership of a bank account? Because banks and other financial institutions are required by law to screen account holders. By proving ownership of a bank account, you demonstrate that you have passed this screening process and have verified your identity. In turn, this lowers our company's financial risk and allows us to guarantee you. * Please be sure to encourage all of the users you refer to PayPal to become Verified, too. As of August 23, 2000, new users will generate $5 referral bonuses for the person who referred them only when they become Verified. Keeping Your Money Safe Whenever your bank account is involved, you may be concerned about safety and security. So are we. Please rest assured that X.com will never, ever transfer money from your bank account without your permission. Regardless of any charge back decision, X.com will never transfer money out of your bank account without your explicit consent. In addition, X.com protects every account with up to $100,000 of free insurance against unauthorized transactions. And since our encryption is the safest on the Web, your financial information is completely secure. Your bank account will always remain 100% protected with X.com. * * * * * * * * * * X.com is committed to making online payments safe for both buyers and sellers, and we think that our new fraud protections help to accomplish this goal. This should encourage the growth of both the X.com payments network and your online business. Thank you for using X.com's PayPal service, the fastest and safest way to send and receive money online. Sincerely, The X.com Team www.x.com -- This email is an account status notification regarding your account with X.com's PayPal service. As a financial services company, it is occasionally necessary for X.com to email our users regarding their account status or changes in our policies. However, promotional materials from X.com will only be sent to you if you have checked the "Promotional Notifications" box on the "Preferences" page in your online user profile. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

26 years, 1 month

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SCSI 9-trackers available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

I've just put up two SCSI 9-track tape drives (front autoloaders) on Haggle under 'Drives.' The first one is a SCSI-SE M4 Data 9914 at: http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=202390084 The second is a SCSI-DIFF interface HP 88780 (Tandem 5190 badged) at: http://www.haggle.com/cgi/getitem.cgi?id=202390090 The 9914 is known to be working, if a bit dinged cosmetically. The 88780 is unknown condition at this time, but it was pulled out of a working system. I may be able to do a basic power-on test for it in the near future. FWIW, the M4 drive is still a current/supported product. The 88780 may or may not be. I'm -really- reluctant to ship these because of size/weight. With either unit, you'd be looking at shipping costs of around $170 ($100 for a custom box, another $70 or so for ground shipping and insurance). So, unless you're not local to the area and are REALLY desperate for a SCSI 9-tracker, I'd prefer local pickup. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

26 years, 1 month

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Goodwill Computerworks Museum is open

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 18, Bill Bradford wrote: > On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:06:04PM -0600, Reuben Reyes wrote: > > If you are ever in Austin Texas you may want to check this out. > > RR > > I'll be taking pictures of it tomorrow with my digital camera. > > I want their EL94. 8-) That kinda bothers me...Sure, an EL is no spring chicken, but it's still quite a useful (and easily runnable) machine. It shouldn't be rotting away in a museum. 1s and XMPs should be in museums...not ELs. Grr. -Dave McGuire ...with an EL94 on the way

26 years, 1 month

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Looking for Cray EL92/94/J90

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I'm looking for a small air-cooled Cray system to complete my collection - anybody know where I can find an EL92, EL94, or J90? (a local place has an EL94 in their "not for sale - museum", and they wont sell it at any price.. 8-( ) Bill -- +-------------------\ /-----------------+ | Bill Bradford | www.sunhelp.org | | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | www.decvax.org | | Austin, Texas USA | www.pdp11.org | +-------------------/ \-----------------+

26 years, 1 month

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obselete diskettes

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Yes, hard-sectored would be nice... preferably 32 sectors.. But that's just because both my Wang 2200MVP and my Burroughs B80 take hard-sectored 8" floppies... Could also use some TEAC 60MB cassette-type tapes, umm something-or-other 300 maybe? They fit this weird SCSI drive I have, they are *not* audio cassettes though... Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 1 month

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obselete diskettes

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Whilst shopping for chair mats, my wife stumbled across an office supply web site which, among other things, sells 8 inch floppies, ds-dd 5.25 inch floppies , 5.25 inch hd floppies, and 3.5 inch ds-dd floppies. The site is: http://www.atyouroffice.com Thought y'all might want to know. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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On the subject of freakish telecom shtuff..

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well, last weekend I rescued a "Telecompaq"... I've been able to learn next to nothing other than that A) it was a flop B) it's a pc with integrated telephony stuff (the keyboard even has an "email" key) C) it dates to about 1985 D) AT&T sold it as the Watson, and E) there is zippo info on the net.. Altavista gave me a whopping 5 hits! Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

26 years, 2 months

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PDP-11 paper tape tests manuals

by hofmanwb＠worldonline.nl

Does anybody know where on the net I can find PDP-11 paper tape test manuals for an 11/24? This is part of an effort to keep the machine in production for another say 5 years. Thanks in advance Wim Hofman

26 years, 2 months

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Thoughts on a datascope

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Fellow classiccmp'ers, I have an interesting situation here. It's a 12-year old datascope, made by Atlantic Research (their 'Interview 7500'). I had it apart last night to clean the innards and replace a noisy fan, and I was struck by how beautifully made it was. Fully modularized, plasma display up front, dual floppies, and the entire case made out of that heavy resin-style plastic, sprayed on the inside with conductive coat for shielding. And yet, in the midst of all that gorgeous engineering, there was one fly in the ointment. The unit boots and runs off an ancient Kyocera(!) 20 meg MFM hard drive, run from a dedicated controller port on one of the boards. Now, I know darn good and well that older hard drives tend to be pretty rugged, especially the lower densities. However, I have no backups, floppy or otherwise, for the unit's OS, and I've not had any luck so far finding boot/run floppies for it. I'm fortunate in that it's still working quite well, but I'm also painfully aware that I might be running on borrowed time. Inrange Technology bought out AR's entire line of datascopes, and I do have an inquiry going with them. However, I'm not holding my breath due to the age of the unit. The core CPU in the unit is a Motorola 68010, so it's a pretty safe bet that the OS is not DOS-based. This means the hard drive would likely be unreadable to a PC if hitched, say, to a WD MFM board. Any thoughts on how I can back this beastie up? Anyone done anything with this line of datascope? Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

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DEC documentation available

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

With regards to the list of books I posted on 8/16, the following titles have all been spoken for. DEQNA Ethernet User's Guide DHQ11 User Guide VT220 Owner's Manual Mike

26 years, 2 months

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On being ripped off

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Merle K. Peirce wrote: > > > > I've got a wonderful bag of tricks. E-mail me off-list. > > > > In Rhode Island, it's traditional to hire professionals to counsel the > > offender and secure satisfaction. They're called hitmen. > > It's not like he bilked Jim out of hundreds of thousands of dollars or > banged his wife. We're only talking a couple hundred bucks. A potato up > the tailpipe and some sugar in the gas tank is more in order. Oh, I think I'd go one step further, and put this guy on mailing lists (snailmail) for everything on the planet, goal being that the mailman leaves an entire bag on his doorstep every day. Might also want to sign him up for membership in the Man-and-Boy Society or whatever that sicko organization is called... heh... -dq

26 years, 2 months

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Sad auction story [exidy sorcerer]

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

>> The posting consists of a somewhat blurry but decent photo of the >> unit from about 2 feet away, from an angle a bit behind where a >> person would actually sit. The only odd thing in the photo is that there >> are three non-standard toggle switches mounted on top (which I've > > Are those present on the machine you received? If so, it would probably > indicate that what you have is not an adversting mock-up.... I'd go with that! > There is one possibility that's not been mentioned yet. You might have an > Exidy product, but not from a sorcerer system. Some manufacturers used > cases/keyboards of their smaller machines as keyboards on larger machines > -- Acorn did for one. The Acorn System keyboard is mounted in the same > case (or at least a very similar case) to the Acorn Atom home computer. > Did Exidy ever make anything other than the Sorcerer? They made video games, as far as I know (of the self contained, arcade sort, I mean). I once saw one called "Targ" in (I think) a cheap restaurant in Bristol. I can imagine that these would definitely _not_ want a keyboard installed during normal use, but might want one plugged in during maintenance or factory testing. The custom switches would then do things like toggling between run-as-arcade-game and service mode. Just a thought. > Alternatively, if somebody working at Exidy needed a keyboard for a > development system, or similar, it would be likely they'd use parts of a > Sorcerer. They'd be easy to get, and known. > > I thinki it's more likely, though, that either this is a deliberate scam > (not necessarily started by the person who offered this for sale) or that > some hacker years ago needed a keyboard and used parts from a Sorcerer. > The piece of plywood inside the case may have been to weight it down so > it could be _used_ as a keyboard. Also possibilities. > [...] > >> I have had another exchange with the seller enumerating the reasons >> why I feel ripped off and prodding him to share the pain with me. >> >> His reply was, more or less, too bad. I'm sending a slightly more > > Ouch!. This is, alas, looking ever more like a deliberate scam. A > reasonable seller would admit he made a mistake and offer to put things > right IMHO. My guess is that the guy who sold it had no idea what it was, but has spent the money, and so is just going to be bloody-minded about giving it back. Not that it really affects getting the money back, of course :-( I'd tell him that if he doesn't cough up at least some (Say, $50) of your $200 within a week, you will be filing a case against him in the small claims court for $400 - the increase being to cover fees and expenses. After which you will still expect to receive your fees from him even if he settles out of court. That might hurry him up a bit... >> pointed reply at this moment. He even suggested that I try to sell >> it to the 2nd highest bidder. Sheesh. I suspect I won't make any more > > Oh, I see. He misrepresents a product to you and the cure is for you to > misrepresent it to somebody else??? Quite. Philip. ********************************************************************** This message and any attachments are confidential and should only be read by those to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us, delete the message from your computer and destroy any copies. Any distribution or copying without our prior permission is prohibited. Internet communications are not always secure and therefore the PowerGen Group does not accept legal responsibility for this message. The recipient is responsible for verifying its authenticity before acting on the contents. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the PowerGen Group. Power Technology: Telephone +44 (0) 115 936 2000 Fax +44 (0) 115 936 2711 E-mail techinfo(a)powertech.co.uk www http://www.powertech.co.uk PowerGen UK plc Registered Office: 53 New Broad Street London EC2M 1SL Registered in England and Wales No: 2366970 **********************************************************************

26 years, 2 months

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Classicmag.net

by lgwalker＠look.ca

> Hello everyone, id like to announce a new project im starting, The > ClassicMag project. The goal of this project is to preserve classic > computing and gaming magazines for extinction. Most of us classic > collectors love to have magazines for the systems we collect as, in > the past the provided an immense resource for reviews, news, > insights and programs. The goal of this project will be to preserve > old out of print magazine issues in a PDF format. These will be > scanned complete issues with advertisements let in, as they are as > interesting and have just as much nostalgia value. Our web site is > currently up at http://www.classicmag.net there's not a lot there as > of yet but with everyone's help I hope to fill it soon. I've got a > tremendous amount of space to be able to host these files. What I'm > looking for is help from the community, if you have old issues, > anything to do with computers or video gaming, please consider > scanning them in getting them to us. If you can't put them in pdf > form, no problem we can work out a way for you to get them images to > us and we will get them in pdf form. I have a small list of > magazines on the site now for some different systems, if you know of > any I don't have listed please email with the details. I want this > to be as complete as possible. I'm going to try and stay with mags > published before 1995. I don't want to run into a lot of copyright > issues. As always if a mag is on our site and the publisher, if > there still around, wishes it not be there we will take it down, but > hope they consider this project worthwhile and let us keep them > there. I believe this will be a great resource for everyone to be > able to get a hold of some mags that are gone, but not forgotten. If > you want to help with this project please email me at > jim(a)classicmag.net . I look forward to hearing from people. > > Thanks > Jim Oaks > http://www.classicmag.net > > Well not to rain on anyones parade, but this sounds like a lifetime project. Kevin Stavetz' excellent Antic and Start page; http://www.atarimagazines.com/ with a lot of help from Atari fans has taken 4 years so far and is still not completed. He also had the permission of the publisher. Antic issues published: 88 Complete text online: 71 issues (80.6%) Downloadable software: 79 issues (90%) STart issues published: 42 Complete text online: 0 (0%) Downloadable software: 30 issues (71%) Total disk space: more than 86 MB I must have over 100 ST Format , ST Review, and ST User mags and this is by no means complete. I also have a single issue of ST Log -- issue 33 !! Then there are many other Atari mags such as Current Notes, Atari Connection, and ST World and a multitude of game mags. And this is only Atari. The Rainbow Coco mag had around 140 issues and was over 100 pages pages in many issues. It is also sold on disk by the former publisher. Zif-Davis also published the TRS80 Color Computer mag and others. Lots of luck with them :^) Future Publishing which put out the ST/Amiga/PC Format and others would likely fall heavily on anyone infringing on their copyright. Perhaps a more realistic goal would be to focus on several discontinued mag platforms or some of the classic mags such as Datamation. TMK a listing of all the computer mags published is not available and would be a valuable aid. Also article indexes of popular mags. IIRC there is one such available for Rainbow. Sorry to be so negative, but a reality check is in order. ciao larry lgwalker(a)look.ca walkers(a)altavista.net bigwalk(a)xoommail.com

26 years, 2 months

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On being ripped off

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

Hey Jim (and group) Sorry to hear about your troubles. There are some really rotten individuals out there and advancements in technology just bring them nearer to us all. It was very kind of the group here to suggest that the seller was acting in ignorance, and to also suggest that you might have some legal recourse, but the sad facts are that you've been had, intentionally, and there's very little you can do about it except visit this gentleman at his abode and teach him what he needs to learn about old computers and the folks who collect and use them. Lesson One, "Introduction to Classic Computers," begins with jamming a piece of plywood right up the chute . . . I made a few phone calls today. I live in Orlando FL so I'll assume the "system" here is a typical one. Those living in rural areas or smaller cities might find that they can get better results due to smaller caseloads. The State Attorney's office (that's what they call them here, in most places it's District Atty.) actively discouraged me from filing a complaint when I called pretending to be the victim in this scenario. Reasons: small $$$ amount, giant backlog of cases. The County Clerk of Courts also made it clear that filing a civil suit in Small Claims would be a waste of time and money. The filing charge here is $100, and a $200 suit will be referred to arbitration, and will take a year or two just to make it to court, if it ever does. The Economic Crimes Unit of the Sheriff's Office said they are so inundated with bad checks that they won't even prosecute a bad check if it's less than $150, and since they don't know a computer from a compost heap, they wouldn't touch this one. The USPS rep I spoke with was sympathetic but said that they don't go after one-hit crooks. If 100 people complained about this guy then that might get their attention. So, it's on you. If it were me I wound hound this guy until he gave me back my $$$ just to get rid of me. If that didn't work I would make sure that I got $200 worth of satisfaction out of him, one way or another. Man alive, what a bummer :>( Keep us posted on this -- Glen 0/0

26 years, 2 months

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DEC TU-56 Restoration, (Yet another lost cause? :-)

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

I'm currently trying to revive a TU-56(dectape drive). Unfortunately, it came with a number of flipchip modules missing (the perils of shopping ebay :-( From what I've been able to determine, I need the following boards: flipchip #(quantity) G742 , G859, M941(2), M531, M040, G851, M117(2), M113(3), M302, M908(2), W032(2) M922(2), M923 I've been rummaging through the hamfests in the area, but so far no luck. If anyone has any spares available, please drop me an email note... I'm quite willing to try my hand at repairing blown modules (or fabricating missing ones, if at all feasible). I'm also going to need a Unibus interface. I'm not certain what the module number for the interface is (I've checked the Dec Module Handbook on Megan's site, but none of the descriptions for the tape controllers mentions TU-56). Anyone know which controllers/Module #'s will work with this drive? Also, the TU-56 manual I downloaded indicated that I might/might not need 5 G888 modules (Manchester Read/Write interfaces) depending on what the drive was connected to. Anyone know any more about this? I'm intending to use the drive on an 11/34a. -Thanks in advance to all! -al- -acorda(a)geocities.com

26 years, 2 months

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Covers for Classics

by elmo＠mminternet.com

Anyone have a good source for new dust covers that roughly fit Commodore Pets (9" & 12"), VT52's, and ADM-3a's? My originals have just about, eh, bit the dust.

26 years, 2 months

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DEC documentation available

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Corda Albert J DLVA <CordaAJ(a)nswc.navy.mil> wrote under the Subject: Computer Hardware Documentation Bidders Mailing List? > Over the past couple of months, I've been trying to accumulate > some basic DEC documentation. There is quite a bit available > on the web, but I've needed a number of manuals/schematics/etc. > that I haven't been able to find, and as a result I've been forced > to use E-pay more than I would have liked. I don't know how many > of you out there have checked the DEC/PDP offerings on ebay, > but there has been quite a lot offered recently in the way of > documentation. Unfortunately, I find myself bidding against people > who share my same interest, and it saddens me since I've always > felt that documentation should be available for everyone who wants > it (please, no flames! This is just a personal opinion) <snip> Albert, I agree with the notion that the docs should be available to everyone. Read on... On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, I <Mzthompson(a)aol.com> wrote under the Subject: Last week's haul & some questions > A few weeks ago I got a call from a company (I know a lot of the > folks there) saying they wanted to get rid of the DEC library. > That amounted to a carload of books and tapes. <snip> > > When I went in to get the equipment last week, they allowed me to > rummage through their library and snatch any DEC manuals they had > overlooked earlier. I started to haul all these manuals into the house today and got as far as the kitchen when I realized that there is nothing here that I don't already have. Then an idea came to me. Instead of hauling them into the computer room, I hauled most of the DEC books to the kitchen and sorted it out as to keepers and excess. I want to make the excess available to anyone who wants them. My idea is that if you want one of these manuals, then send me a SASE big enough to hold the book you want, and I will mail it back to you. Below is a list of manuals. Most of these are small single booklets, none more than 1/2" thick, and should fit in an envelope. The list below contains the dimensions of the books. Here's the game plan: 1) first come, first serve 2) email me, stating which book(s) you want. I will reserve the books for you and either email you or post a 'prize list' on the list if traffic warrants. I will try to keep the list informed as to when each book's supply is spoken for. 3) Send me an SASE, one for each book that you want (with exceptions noted below). 4) No coins please, include only folding money as a gratuity for taking this on, or for the therapist I may need. I'm only kidding, all I would like you to include is a note containing your email address and book list to make it easier filling the 'orders'. Besides, I would just blow the money on more computer junk (Oops, I meant stuff). 5) Campout at your mailbox until the books arrive, then enjoy. The exceptions to the one book/one envelope will be where there is also a reference card that will be included with the book. See notes below. Please do not email me and ask for a mess of books to be shipped to you in a box. In essence, I don't want to bother with running clear across town to ship stuff. This way, I only have to go to the end of the driveway. The SASE method is the only way this will be handled. I guess I could make an exception if you show up in the driveway tomorrow morning with your tongue hanging out & drooling all over yourself, but that's the only exception. OK, the here's the list: (last number under dimensions (Dim:) is thickness) Title: BA42 Storage Expansion Box Installation Guide P/N: EK-BA42A-IN-002 Quant: 2 Dim: 9 x 11 x 1/4 Notes: first caller gets the one shrink wrapped copy Title: DEQNA Ethernet User's Guide P/N: EK-DEQNA-UG-002 Quant: 3 Dim: 9 x 11 x 1/4 Notes: This is for the Q-bus circuit card Title: DHQ11 User Guide P/N: EK-DHQ11-UG-002 Quant: 2 Dim: 9 x 11 x 1/4+ Notes: This is for the Q-bus serial card, lot of good info Title: 881 Power Controller User Guide P/N: EK-881PC-UG-003 Quant: 1 Dim: 9 x 11 x 1/8 Notes: One of the few DEC docs with a actual schematic Title: DECserver 200 Hardware Installation/Owner's Guide P/N: EK-D200C-IN-001 Quant: 6 Dim: 7 x 9 x 3/8 Notes: The first caller will have the option of receiving the bonus, the following phamplets: DS200 Commands Mini-Reference DS200 Rackmount Options Installation Guide (shrink wrapped) Allow another 1/8" for these Title: DECserver 300 Hardware Installation P/N: unk Quant: 1 Dim: 7 x 9 x 1/4 Notes: Also includes the Commands Quick Reference phamplet (shrink wrapped) Title: VT320 Installation & User's Guide P/N: EK-VT320-UG-001 Quant: 3 Dim: 7 x 9 x 1/4 Notes: first caller gets the one shrink wrapped copy Title: VT220 Owner's Manual P/N: EK-VT220-UG-001 Quant: 1 Dim: 7 x 9 x 1/4 Notes: spiral bound version Title: DECserver 500 User's Reference Card P/N: AV-LD86B-TK Quant: 1 Dim: 4 x 8 x 1/16 Notes: only the card, sorry no books Title: DESTA Installation Card P/N: EK-DESTA-IN-002 Quant: 1 Dim: 4 x 8 x 1/16 Notes: Title: TK50 Tape Drive Subsytem User's Guide P/N: EK-OTK50-UG-004 Quant: 2 Dim: 7 x 9 x 1/8 Notes: Title: TK70 Streaming Tape Drive Owner's Manual P/N: EK-OTK70-OM-001 Quant: 2 Dim: 7 x 9 x 1/8 Notes: Title: VXT2000 Windowing Terminal - Installation & Getting Started P/N: EK-VXT20-IN.B01 Quant: 2 Dim: 7 x 9 x 1/4 Notes: I know that there is a companion User's guide to this, but I don't have any of them. Title: VR320 Color Monitor - Installation & User's Guide P/N: EK-VR320-IN-001 Quant: 4 (plus 3, see below) Dim: 7.5 x 9 x 1/8 Notes: I also versions for the feriners on the list. EK-AP428-IN.001 French EK-AG428-IN.001 German EK-AU428-IN.001 Italian FYI - This is the monitor used with the VXT2000/VXT2000+ series. Send your SASE to: Mike Thompson 8470 So US Hwy 41 Terre Haute, IN 47802-5198 I am doing this 1) to get rid of the excess, 2) as an experiment to see if the SASE idea will work well. Here's hoping. Mike

26 years, 2 months

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Computer Hardware Documentation Bidders Mailing List?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Sellam wrote: > > Sure, but I think there's another problem, which is that this practice is > > most likely illegal :) > > If someone would set up a library, there are lots of exemptions in > copyright law for those. It would probably have to be set up as a > non-profit corporation; otherwise it might be possible for a copyright > holder that wants to stir up trouble to claim that it's not a "real" > library. > > Copyright law allows a library to make a (single) photocopy of a document to > lend out in place of a rare document. I think a case could be made that > a scanned image is equivalent. You'd just have to require that the > borrower return the scanned image when they're done with it. Perhaps a > scheme like netlibrary uses would work. Hey, Eric- Speaking of computer documentation, what did you find out about what's become of my DEC-10 Commands Manual that I sent you for photocopying? I need it back. Thanks, -doug q

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Computer Hardware Documentation Bidders Mailing List?

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

Over the past couple of months, I've been trying to accumulate some basic DEC documentation. There is quite a bit available on the web, but I've needed a number of manuals/schematics/etc. that I haven't been able to find, and as a result I've been forced to use E-pay more than I would have liked. I don't know how many of you out there have checked the DEC/PDP offerings on ebay, but there has been quite a lot offered recently in the way of documentation. Unfortunately, I find myself bidding against people who share my same interest, and it saddens me since I've always felt that documentation should be available for everyone who wants it (please, no flames! This is just a personal opinion) Documentation is unique in that, in many cases, a photocopy (or scanned image) in place of the actual document would be just as useful to me as the original since my interests lean towards restoring the hardware, rather than collecting the "original" documentation. I also see small manuals/schematic sets/etc. being broken up into indivudual items and going for what I believe is much more than they are worth (again, no flames!, this is just my opinion). It has occured to me that if a mailing list were set up where a person could post their intention of bidding on a specific piece of duplicatable documentation, then other potential bidders could contact the initial poster and work out a deal where they could "share" the cost of the initial poster's bid (plus copying charges), in return for not competing with the initial poster's bid.You may have noticed that I have avoided the problem of copyright infringement. I believe that with documentation of the vintage that I am refering to, such issues are probably moot, especially since In many cases the companies no longer exist. As far as the sellers on E-bay go, they have a significant advantage since their individual items remain on the block for days, rather than minutes as in a "real" auction. (but let's not turn this into yet another "is E-bay fair?" thread :-) Also, I wonder of some of the on-line "Computer Museums" might consider hosting an on-line documentation repository, where people could submit scanned schematics/manuals/etc. for (free) web-based access and archival purposes. It would be a tremendous service to our on-line community. Currently, this is being done by a number of very helpful individuals, but I would think that some of the "real" museum sites might be more capable of organizing such info and supporting the amount of storage needed. Again, I'm just throing these ideas out to see if anyone thinks they have any merit... -al- -acorda(a)geocities.com

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New Finds Brings New Needs...

by fmc＠reanimators.org

ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) wrote: > You'll probably find the battery in the Portable+ is very dead. It's a > 6V 2.4Ah lead acid brick, and it's non-trivial to obtain. 3 2.5Ah cyclons > can be kludged into the battery compartment -- in fact it appears that > the original HP battery was just that. Changing the battery is not easy > even with the service manual -- if you follow the procedure there you're > supposed to replace the metal contact straps as well, and they do tend to > break fairly easily. I find it better to pull the machine to bits and > take the battery out after separating the case parts. Huh. You mean you're not supposed to take the machine to bits to replace the battery? I learn something new every day. (But really I take freshly-acquired Pluses to bits because it makes cleaning them easier.) I seem to find two sorts of Portable Plus: one with the Panasonic lead-acid brick, and one with three Gates lead-acid cells. The former don't hold a charge, the latter are somewhat more likely to do so. iGo sell replacements; these turn out to be made by Fedco Electronics >from three Gates lead-acid cells and at least one of the two I got a couple months ago appears to be a dud that won't charge up above about 3v. More on this in a bit. > The machine will run from the mains adapter without a battery (or with a > dead battery?) but you'll lose everything in the RAMdisk (and the > configuration settings) when you unplug the machine. Can I assume you > don't have a 9114 disk drive (which is the normal form of mass storage > for these machines)? Whether the machine will run from the main adapter appears to depend on how dead the battery is, or perhaps on how the battery is dead. For example, the last couple I've turned up have worked OK from the mains adapter but wouldn't hold a charge and wouldn't retain data with the mains adapter unplugged. But...replacing a dead Panasonic brick with one of the iGo/Fedco batteries has resulted in a machine that won't turn on at all -- presumably because the battery is drawing the supply and not leaving enough for the machine to run. So I'm wondering what I'm looking at here: cells that have been left on the shelf long enough that they've shorted internally, or what? Sheesh, given that iGo/Fedco cleverly omit the screw posts from their replacement batteries, I might as well buy my own cells and solder the appropriate tabs together. -Frank McConnell

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Last week's haul & some questions

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> The two drives in question are indeed 8mm, but only support the 8200 > format. Can anybody enlighten me on that, who used that format, etc. The Exabyte 8200 was used by several computer manufacturers; IBM, Pr1me, Sun (I think), and maybe Apollo... however, IBM used a custom SCSI card in theirs (called a DI card, maybe diff SCSI?), and Pr1me used custom firmware. Additionally, tape interchange between identical drives was often chancy, although if you have the docs and a head sync tape, you should be able to align it to read tapes written on other drives. I'd be shocked if DEC never used the 8200... Full docs are available on Exabyte's web site. If you can't find them, let me know, I'll dig out the URL. hth, -dq

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Sad auction story [exidy sorcerer]

by PasserM＠umkc.edu

Thank you for posting the pointer and making the facts and identity of the seller known so that rest of us can caveat emptor. Many would have sucked it up and kept quiet rather than let others know they had been cheated, and letting us know took some guts. I would have been fooled by this picture too--but what you bought may well be valuable as an advertising mockup. I think there would be some poetic justice if (after trying all the remedies available to you) you sold it on eBay as what it was and doubled your money--and made sure the seller knew! An aside: I had to create an ID just to view the auction--this was somewhat irritating, and I hope the information I gave suitably contaminates their marketing database. The seller's ID (in case that's all someone was after and he doesn't want to go through the trouble of making up a birth date, occupation, etc.) is jwzerocool. Of course, it's pretty easy to crunch all the user ID's one wants on any of these sites.

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Sad auction story [exidy sorcerer]

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I'd say its a bit suspect that someone 90 minutes away would insist on shipping the thing.. as if they didn't want you to discover the fact that it had no mainboard and be able to personally confront them about it... Just my 2 cents... Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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New Finds Today

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Had a good day today as I got a digital TK25 with cable and a Sharp PC-500 portable computer with a built-in printer for 10 bucks total. The PC-5000 has a very small but long liquid crystal display of 640x80 dots and is one weird laptop computer. No power supply was with it and the battery seems to be dead. Anyone know anything about it. Also picked up a neat 3 foot robot for $1 here at a thrift store. No remote was with it a and one cover plate is missing, have not tried to power it up yet. Keep computing John Keys

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Sad auction story [exidy sorcerer]

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

On seeing those pictures I'd have immediately asked the seller what condition it was in and whether it came with any books, cables etc. I'd also go with the fact that maybe it IS an Exidy mockup, but since I haven't seen one 'in the plastic' I couldn't comment and wouldn't know where to start asking, except for on here of course :) a > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Battle [mailto:frustum@pacbell.net] > Sent: 16 August 2000 08:40 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Sad auction story [exidy sorcerer] > > > At 12:49 PM 8/15/00 -0800, you wrote: > >Since we are snooping so much on this, what was the auction > ID, or maybe > >just post the auction listing ad. Looks like Yahoo doesn't > let you search > >for completed auctions (ebay recently GREATLY restricted > this to subject > >only and drops items after about 60 days). > > http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/33861557

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Sad auction story [exidy sorcerer]

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

I thought that too, plus I wondered what the original text of the auction actually said with regard to the state of the machine and whether the seller knew it was a prop or not. If it simply said 'Exidy Sorcerer in good condition' I'd maybe have emailed asking for a picture rather than just bid on it outright. More often than not I don't look at auctions that don't include pictures anyway. a > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Jennings [mailto:xds_sigma7@hotmail.com] > Sent: 15 August 2000 19:02 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Sad auction story [exidy sorcerer] > > > I'd say its a bit suspect that someone 90 minutes away would > insist on > shipping the thing.. as if they didn't want you to discover > the fact that it > had no mainboard and be able to personally confront them about it... > > Just my 2 cents... > > Will J > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com >

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Online Altair, CP/M, RDOS emulators

by vcf＠siconic.com

Check out this k-k00L website: http://elena.sysun.com/museum/ The Online Software Museum It has telnet-based Altair BASIC, CP/M, RDOS and Unix 7th edition emulators. You telnet in and you are then put in a shell of one of the mentioned OS'. Pretty nifty. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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IBM Series 1 manuals

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

> To the person with the > manuals, could you go through and post the model numbers for the > items that the manuals go with? Against all sane logic on my part, i've managed to grab most if not all the manuals that were in the hallway. I'm not sure what you mean by model numbers, as most of this stuff reads like greek ;) All manuals have a 4955 on the label outside the binders, is that what you mean? Or were you asking about every sub-manual in each binder? I have one large set (10+ binders), possibly incomplete, of 'board and card logics'. I have 3 copies of MLD, Logic, Volume 1. 3 copies of SYT, System Test, Volume 4 (though one appears to be an index different than the other 2 copies). I have 4 copies of TDM, Theory, Volume 5. And i have several copies of MLM, MAP/MIM, Volume 2. These are usually a 2 binder set, but there is a 3 bunder set, and some individual ones, so i'm confused for now. No time to read these over right now. I have at least 2 copies of Event Driven Executive, Operators Reference. One copy of Event Driven Executive, Messages and Codes. One copy of Event Driven Executive, System Guide. i have a few more manuals at home, so i may have more copies of these or other things. I have a package of 10 small brass jumpers, PN 4410751. Small stuff ============ General purpose Interface Bus (GPIB) adapter - RPQ D02118. custom feature. 4966 autoloader diskette storage unit IR functional unit and cause code guide 4966 diskette magazine unit parts catalog diskette magazine unit 4966 unit installation instructions 4979 display station parts catalog 4979 display station instalation instructions (and a plastic adjustment tool) 4962 disk storage unit partsw catalog (and a pack of 6 wire jumpers about 4 inches long, plus a package of 2 test wires i guess) 4974 printer parts catalog (plus package containing one small bolt, package containing one lock washer, package containing 4 long wire jumpers, package containing steel wool lined cable clamp) -Lawrence LeMay

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VAX/VLC framebuffers?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

So my new VLC has a different frame buffer (for some reason I thought they were all the same). This one has a little switch on it and flat ram chips (all the others have a row of soldered in SIPs for ram and no switch. Anyone know what the difference is? Zane? --Chuck

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Last week's haul & some questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 15, Mzthompson(a)aol.com wrote: > The two drives in question are indeed 8mm, but only support the 8200 > format. Can anybody enlighten me on that, who used that format, etc. That means "the format used by the Exabyte 8200 8mm drive". Lots of things used (and still use) those drives...just about every computer company in existence used Exabyte drives at one time or another over the past ten years. They're standard SCSI and fast enough to be quite useful...if you don't sell 'em to that guy, they're nice drives for running backups. 2.3gb per tape, and very well-understood by the world at large. I can't imagine that the other guy is having problems finding them, though...they're all over the place. -Dave McGuire

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[gkm@blackdown.org: Last chance.]

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On August 15, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote: > > > Last chance before all VAXen become classic.... :-) > > > > Sad, of course, but... > > Are they putting them out at close-out prices? > > I didn't see any evidence of that. Maybe next year the extras will show > up on some auction site or something. So what *is* their current pricing? Yes, I'm too lazy to point my browser at their web server... ;-) -Dave McGuire

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[gkm@blackdown.org: Last chance.]

by rutledge＠cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com

Last chance before all VAXen become classic.... :-) ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready <gkm(a)blackdown.org> ----- To: 0xdeadbeef(a)blackdown.org Subject: Last chance. Forwarded-by: Nev Dull <nev(a)sleepycat.com> Forwarded-by: Aharon Robbins <arnold(a)skeeve.com> From: Andreas Strahm <andreas.strahm(a)siemens.ch> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Last order dates for VAX systems Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:51:29 +0200 Just for information: < Last order dates for VAX systems VAX 4000, MicroVAX 3100 - 88 and 3100-98 models VAX 4000, MicroVAX 3100-88, and MicroVAX 3100-98 systems and all associated options are being retired. Limited supply will be supported on a first come, first serve basis. Last order date: September 30, 2000 Last ship date: December 31, 2000 > Source: http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/vax/vax_dates.html Regards, Andreas Strahm, Software Engineer =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/wiz_1378.html The last VAX microprocessor chips have been built. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud(a)bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd(a)kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903

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Last week's haul & some questions

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

A few weeks ago I got a call from a company (I know a lot of the folks there) saying they wanted to get rid of the DEC library. That amounted to a carload of books and tapes. I asked if they were getting rid of the books, then what about the equipment. They said as soon as the paperwork comes through. Later I sent them an email asking that they not tear down the equipment, but rather let me know as soon as possible and I will tear it down and have it out of their way pronto. That way I could make notes as what goes with what. They agreed. When I went in to get the equipment last week, they had left the stuff intact and went even one better. They ran a printout of DEC stuff off their inventory database and handed that to me. They also took digital photos of the equipment showing all the cabling, printed those and handed them to me also. They also pulled all the boxes of DEC spares, cables, adapters, etc. and set them out for me. This beats dumpster diving to hell & back. Books - A complete set of Ultrix books & a few hardware manuals. When I picked up the equipment they allowed me to rummage through their library and snatch any DEC manuals they had overlooked earlier. DEC Eq. - Some 5000's (/133 & /200), a couple DS3100, 8 expansion boxes containing 9 RZ drives and 4 tape drives, and associated keyboards, mice and cables. Q: The 5000/133 has the space to mount a couple RX2x drives. Of course I need mounting brackets. I thought I would try to locate a couple before concocting my own. Anybody got a part number for that mounting bracket, or any clues as to where you can locate things like this? I can scrounge the equipment, but the piddly stuff like this and some cables are often harder to find. Non DEC - They decided to get rid of another box. It is a tape duplicator, and at first was skeptical of hauling home something that may prove more hassles than worth. After opening it up, I went tee-hee tee-hee. It is a tower case, only BIG. Has a 20 slot ISA-AT bus, one of those industrial strength jobs. In that is a 386/33 CPU board, a couple I/O boards and I believe multiple SCSI cards. There is a Seagate ST21400 hard drive in the bottom. Out front is the drive bays with room for 11 half height drives. Mounted there is two TZ30's, two 1/4" cartridge drives 525mb, and two drives which I think are 8mm, and 1 lowly 3.5 floppy. On the back are: 5 pin Din, 9 pin serial, and 15 pin video connector. With that I then realized this is nothing more than a big Intel box, probably loaded with MS-DOS, maybe Windows, and apparently the software needed to duplicate multiple tape formats. The latest date code I could find was '95. I have not fired it up yet, but this may prove to be a nice box to have around. The catch is no documentation. In fact I can not even find a model/serial no tag on it anywhere. All I know is that it was made by a outfit called Duplication Technology, located in Boulder. (1 hour later) Darn, I love this technology. A web search yield a phone no that led to a gal who knew the history of the original company, and who gave another phone no. That led to the engineer in another company who put this thing together. I gave him the name of the company (back when it was purchased) and he pulled it up on his database and rattled the specs. No model/serial because each was custom built for the customer. The two drives in question are indeed 8mm, but only support the 8200 format. Can anybody enlighten me on that, who used that format, etc. The kicker was that he offered me $75-100 ea for some of the drives. His stock to support legacy systems is dwindling. Mike

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pdp-11/24 backplane unique ?

by anmu＠mm-lab.uni-tuebingen.de

hello ! I got two pdp-11/24, one for 110 Volts and one for 220 Volts circuits. I live in an area with 220V circuits, so it would be much easier for me to use the one driven by 220V. unfortunately all the interesting cards are in the 110V version. now my question is: can I exchange any card between the two pdps or do I also have to exchange the backplanes ? thanks for help, Andreas -- ********************************************************* * Andreas Mueller * * * * Multi-Media-Labor || Uni-Tuebingen * * phone: +49 7071-2978567 or +49 7071-2977821 * *********************************************************

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New Finds Brings New Needs...

by pdp-11＠swbell.net

I had a phenomenal day at Goodwill today. I got a TRS-80 Model III with printer, TRS-80 Model 4P, HP Portable Plus, and a Commodore 128D. What I did not get but need is: A keyboard for the Commodore 128D A Power Supply For The HP Portable Plus A Boot Disk For The TRS-80 Model 4P Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Owen

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Sad auction story [exidy sorcerer]

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

Sellam, quoting Chuck: >> Nope, this is fraud plain and simple. What was sold was an electronic >> "prop" used in furniture stores to highlight how a piece of furniture might >> look at home. I've seen a variety of things from color TVs to Amiga's done >> up this way. Usually on the bottom is the sticker from the company >> (Proptronics usually, but there are others) that created it. Some of their >> more interesting ones are color TVs with a color picture in the "tube" and >> a light bulb behind it. The boring ones are all cardboard. >> >> If I were you I'd contact the seller and ask for a refund. > > I agree with Chuck here. You were out & out defrauded. Luckily for you, > you're within beating distance of this guy. Ideally you're in the same > county, and you can threaten him with a complaint to the District Attorney > (in the States, he's the top prosecutor for the county one lives in...you > don't generally have THE D.A. prosecute your case (unless he/she wants to > set an example with your case) but your complaint is referred to the > D.A.'s office for follow-up by one of the prosecutors there...anyway, > enough of American Gubment 101). > > If he refuses to follow through with the refund, file the complaint. As > Chuck suggests, you can also file a claim with the Post Office which will > follow up on this. > > Jim, don't settle for anything less here. You were defrauded by this > person, whether it was intentional on his part or not. $200+ is way too > much money to be spent on a piece of plywood. Get your money back. Hang on. In principle I agree with Chuck and Sam, but you can cause a lot of trouble by using the wrong words. To start with, DON'T accuse this guy of fraud until you have had at least two more goes at getting your money back! I am not a lawyer, and certainly not an American lawyer, but I claim you have missed the difference between FRAUD and MISREPRESENTATION. What you have here is misrepresentation - the seller has claimed the item is a computer, when it actually isn't. English law makes a distinction between the civil offence "Innocent misrepresentation" - the seller genuinely did not intend to sell you a dud - and the criminal offence "Fraudulent misrepresentation" - the seller actually intended to defraud you. (A lot of English law depends on intent - very hard to prove, but...) In a case of innocent misrepresentation, the sale is voidable - you can sue for your money back, and you have to return the goods essentially undamaged (excepting cases like a machine that died when you tried to use it because it was misrepresented as being suitable for the job). In a case of fraudulent misrepresentation, the penalties can be higher - including consequential losses - and I think the seller can even go to jail. I can see that you're going to be annoyed paying $200 for a box with no circuitry in it. But don't start accusing people of crimes like fraud until you have exhausted other avenues... I suggest you find out what the American equivalent of innocent misrepresentation is called, and accuse him of that - privately first, and then backed by lawyers and the courts. Again, in the UK a matter of $200 (plus costs of course) would be the province of the Small Claims Court, but I don't know how it works in the US. Have fun :-( Philip. ________________________ Disclaimer Notice ____________________________ This E-mail message is private and confidential and should only be read by those to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, reproduction, modification or publication of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please delete the message from your computer and destroy any copies. This message is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. This company therefore disclaims all responsibility and accepts no liability of any kind which may arise from any person acting, or refraining from acting, upon the contents of the message without having had subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this communication in error, or if any problems occur in transmission please notify us immediately by telephone on +44 (0)24 76 424000

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Two TI Silent 700s needing a home

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've still got two TI Silent 700s (one model 765 with the 80K bubble memory add-on, one plain model 745; pics of the 765 at http://www.decvax.org/ti/) that need a good home... anybody wanna swap something for them that will make em worth packing up and shipping? Also, dunno if it meets the 10 year rule, but I've got a HP 9000 715/33 here that I cant even *give* away; anybody need one? Bill -- +-------------------\ /-----------------+ | Bill Bradford | www.sunhelp.org | | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | www.decvax.org | | Austin, Texas USA | www.pdp11.org | +-------------------/ \-----------------+

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Recomended Reading

by pdp-11＠swbell.net

Hello all. I just got a wonderful book, that anyone who is interested in Apple machines should look at. It's called Apple Design (ISBN 1-888001-25-9), and it has some great pictures and information about Apple products. It especially has lots of pictures of Apple prototypes that never made it (Jonathan, Apple IISI, Snow White Project...). It talks about Apple's beginnings, and I have found it really interesting. Those guys had some really weird ideas of what a Mac should look like. Owen

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Classicmag.net

by paulrsm＠ameritech.net

> I hate to burst anyone's bubble with this project, but most of these > magazines are already being archived by probably more than 100 of the > large libraries (in large citys and universities) scattered around the > country. You might want to check with some of them first before > undertaking such a huge project - you may be reinventing the wheel. I've always wanted to get some of those magazines on microfiche from UMI (University Microfilms Incorporated?), the folks who supply a lot of the microfiche and microfilm archives to libraries. Paul R. Santa-Maria Ann Arbor, Michigan USA paulrsm(a)ameritech.net

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MESS trouble

by lionelp＠worldonline.co.za

Hey guys, I'm trying to download MESS (using wget), but it looks like the site doesn't support resuming, and it keeps disconnecting me, does somebody know of an alternative site? Ciao, Lionel

26 years, 2 months

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8086 Emulation

by rachael_＠gmx.net

>Emulation of the IBM ROM BASIC, and IBM ROM BIOS, is also greatly desired, >although, I am not sure whether these can be legally copied :-). Emulation If you need rom dump of those rom, I can help you as I still have my Ibm pc. Regards Jacob Dahl Pind Public Pgp key available on request -------------------------------------------------- = IF this computer is with us now... = =...It must have been meant to come live with us.= = (Belldandy - Goddess First class) = --------------------------------------------------

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[OT] Power and NIC questions

by ncherry＠home.net

I need to double check a diagnostic I'm making. I have a board that fried the a 1/2W ceramic resitor (in the -12V section of the PS). It also took out a tant cap and the fuses for the +/- 12v (between the MB and the PS). I suspect the RS232 driver chips but I need to know if the ethernet nic (aui & bnc) use -12v. Anyone? -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)

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Classicmag.net

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

Jim Oaks wrote: > Hello everyone, id like to announce a new project im starting, The > ClassicMag project. The goal of this project is to preserve classic > computing and gaming magazines for extinction. Most of us classic collectors > love to have magazines for the systems we collect as, in the past the > provided an immense resource for reviews, news, insights and programs. The > goal of this project will be to preserve old out of print magazine issues in > a PDF format. These will be scanned complete issues with advertisements let Worthwhile project! I have several boxes of mags lying around at home. At present I have no access to a scanner, but I'll send them to you if you want the task. Off the top of my head: Microcomputer Printout, 1980 until bought by Computnig Toady (as they had previously called it!) PC Magazine - about three years in the mid '80s Computer and Video Games - The year I won a free subscription. Probably 1988+/-1 Some Acorn specific ones that I haven't sorted. Let me know if you're interested, and I can see exactly what I have. > in, as they are as interesting and have just as much nostalgia value. Our I agree totally. Unfortunately you lose this if you get electronic copies of articles from contributors, as someone suggested. > web site is currently up at http://www.classicmag.net there's not a lot I'm still getting Hostname Unknown, I'm afraid. I'll try again another day... > small list of magazines on the site now for some different systems, if you > know of any I don't have listed please email with the details. I want this Are you grouping by system covered? Could be difficult - Microcomputer Printout started as PET only, and went through Commie only to practically everything in the space of a few years. > before 1995. I don't want to run into a lot of copyright issues. As always > if a mag is on our site and the publisher, if there still around, wishes it > not be there we will take it down, but hope they consider this project > worthwhile and let us keep them there. I really do think you ought to ask publishers' permission _first_. To say that you will remove anything on encountering objections is all very well, but probably won't satisfy the lawyers! Philip. ________________________ Disclaimer Notice ____________________________ This E-mail message is private and confidential and should only be read by those to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, reproduction, modification or publication of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please delete the message from your computer and destroy any copies. This message is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. This company therefore disclaims all responsibility and accepts no liability of any kind which may arise from any person acting, or refraining from acting, upon the contents of the message without having had subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this communication in error, or if any problems occur in transmission please notify us immediately by telephone on +44 (0)24 76 424000

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8086 Emulation

by lionelp＠worldonline.co.za

Hey guys, Does somebody here know about a program I can use to emulate the original 8086-based computers? What I'm looking for is a program that can emulate (on either Dos, Windows or Linux): - The Intel 8086 processor - 640KB RAM - 360KB Floppy drive - Small hard drive (optional) - CGA graphics card Emulation of the IBM ROM BASIC, and IBM ROM BIOS, is also greatly desired, although, I am not sure whether these can be legally copied :-). Emulation of the IBM PC-DOS would also be helpful, but, yet again, I think this would result in copyright violation. I am pretty sure that emulating the CGA graphics card, a hard drive, a floppy drive or memory should not be a problem. Although, I'm not THAT sure about Intel's processor, but I think on Intel-based systems, this would only mean disabling certain newer instructions on the 80486/Pentium/whatever. Can somebody help me out here? Also, if there isn't something like this, how much trouble would it be to write one myself? Ciao, Lionel

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More Stuff

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Yesterday found a Heathkit Plotter that uses 3 vacuum tubes and paper roll. The model number on it is EUW-20A, have not tested it yet. Picked up a FLUKE 2969 - 8300A Digital Voltmeter not tested yet; a Video Data Systems T1000 Character generator; and HP 5258A Sensitive Prescaler. There were boxes and boxes of old test equipment at the scrape yard yesterday, too much for me to get it all and most looked to need work done them. John Keys

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Weekend Finds

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

That was a rare couple of weekends, I have to say (*WOW*RARE*L@@K*SINCLAIR ERA* etc ;o) Normally all I'll see are C64s, Amigas, Speccies, Amstrads and the occasional Atari. It DOES help to have contacts running 2nd hand shops who get stuff for me though. > -----Original Message----- > From: John Honniball [mailto:John.Honniball@uwe.ac.uk] > Sent: 14 August 2000 15:57 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: RE: Weekend Finds > > > > On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:59:03 +0100 Adrian Graham > <agraham(a)ccat.co.uk> wrote: > > I had an absolute blinder of a weekend. Total finds from > one market and one > > boot sale were: > > ...long list of fine old computers omitted... > > So what am I doing wrong? All I spotted at two boot sales > and several charity shops were an Amstrad 9512 and a C64. > I have to say, I didn't take either of them. Maybe I just > need to get up earlier in the morning at weekends! > > Having said that I did find not one but two, leather-clad > Trimphones in a charity shop. They're called Deltaphones: > > http://ds.dial.pipex.com/town/plaza/ah91/photos.htm?delta.htm > > -- > John Honniball > Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk > University of the West of England >

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R: Scanning old mags

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Fujitsu document scanner in Kansas City. I hava an old Fujitsu document scanner, it has an automatic document feeder (ADF) and will scan 22 pages per minute . It scans at 400 DPI with 256 gray scale levels. It's a M3096. It can scan up to 11" X 17". More info about it is at http://www.fcpa.com/support/su_support_frame.html I haven't got the correct interface for it. If someone wants to attempt to scan documents for archival with it I will loan it to them for some testing. If it works for this task maybe we can work out a trade. I may have a shot at 1-2 more of them if they are usable. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Weekend Finds

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

I had an absolute blinder of a weekend. Total finds from one market and one boot sale were: Boxed BBC Master 128 Boxed Grandstand 3600 pong Boxed Spectrum +2A (not a Currys or Dixons pack) Boxed Acetronic MPU1000 pong with mint quality boxed games Boxed Amstrad 6128+ with boxed monitor Commodore 128 Part boxed Dragon32 (handy, I'd just found a PSU the day before :) and the jewel in the pile Unused boxed Commodore P500 with manual and video lead. It's still in its Commodore bag, although one of the polys has had some damage. I'm quite chuffed with that to say the least, particularly since the serial number is only #00161! Last weekend I got my paws on: Grandstand-badged Fairchild Channel F II Boxed Grandstand 5000 pong Boxed almost unused Grandstand SD070 pong Unopened Colecovision Expansion #1 Boxed Astro Wars tabletop 2 Boxed Atari 2600s with a stack of carts Half a dozen Vic-20 carts a Super Famicom clone called the Micro Genius IQ501 and a battered Issue 2 Spectrum in a DK'Tronics keyboard enclosure. Pix are on http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk as always, although yesterday's stuff won't be uploaded till tonight. a

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Classicmag.net

by jimoaks＠one.net

Hello everyone, id like to announce a new project im starting, The ClassicMag project. The goal of this project is to preserve classic computing and gaming magazines for extinction. Most of us classic collectors love to have magazines for the systems we collect as, in the past the provided an immense resource for reviews, news, insights and programs. The goal of this project will be to preserve old out of print magazine issues in a PDF format. These will be scanned complete issues with advertisements let in, as they are as interesting and have just as much nostalgia value. Our web site is currently up at http://www.classicmag.net there's not a lot there as of yet but with everyone's help I hope to fill it soon. I've got a tremendous amount of space to be able to host these files. What I'm looking for is help from the community, if you have old issues, anything to do with computers or video gaming, please consider scanning them in getting them to us. If you can't put them in pdf form, no problem we can work out a way for you to get them images to us and we will get them in pdf form. I have a small list of magazines on the site now for some different systems, if you know of any I don't have listed please email with the details. I want this to be as complete as possible. I'm going to try and stay with mags published before 1995. I don't want to run into a lot of copyright issues. As always if a mag is on our site and the publisher, if there still around, wishes it not be there we will take it down, but hope they consider this project worthwhile and let us keep them there. I believe this will be a great resource for everyone to be able to get a hold of some mags that are gone, but not forgotten. If you want to help with this project please email me at jim(a)classicmag.net . I look forward to hearing from people. Thanks Jim Oaks http://www.classicmag.net

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Apple IIc+ boot disk for DOS3.3

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

Smart. And $48 doesn't seem like a bad price for that amount of kit! > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Ford [mailto:mikeford@socal.rr.com] > Sent: 10 August 2000 20:49 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: Apple IIc+ boot disk for DOS3.3 > > > >> also a Apple Color RGB monitor that worked specifically with > >> the Apple IIgs and I think the IIc/c+. > > > >Ta for that - I need to find one of those for the museum > then :) It just > >looks like a Mac monitor in some of the ][GS pix I've seen. > > Here is an ad with pics and a model number, note there may be > more than one > model number of IIgs compatible color monitor. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=399648903 > >

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Apple IIc+ boot disk for DOS3.3

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

The specific one for the c and c+ was the cute little 12" one wasn't it? Came with a funky stand to hover it over the machine. I'll get one eventually; I've always been surprised where most of my Apple stuff comes from! > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Hildebrand [mailto:ghldbrd@ccp.com] > Sent: 10 August 2000 20:41 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Apple IIc+ boot disk for DOS3.3 > > > Hello Adrian > > On 10-Aug-00, you wrote: > > > Mike typed thusly: > > > >> There was > >> also a Apple Color RGB monitor that worked specifically with > >> the Apple IIgs and I think the IIc/c+. > > > > Ta for that - I need to find one of those for the museum > then :) It just > > looks like a Mac monitor in some of the ][GS pix I've seen. > > I got the official apple monitor with my IIc+, and it is > composite vidoe > only . . . > > Regards > -- > Gary Hildebrand > Box 6184 > St. Joseph, MO 64506-0184 > > 816-662-2612 > or > > ghldbrd(a)ccp.com >

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Weekend Finds

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

A few weeks ago our local car boot sale started up again for the summer. After a couple of weeks of singularly unhackish sales, I finally struck... Yesterday I spent a total of L29 and one pair of trousers, and got: Four books (two on electronics, one on geography, and "Magnetic Amplifiers and Saturable Reactors" by M G Say) A BBC Master in the compact case, complete with 3.25 inch dual disk drive and Microvitec Cub monitor And the real find: New (I'm told never used), in original box, a Penman. Fun.... Philip. ********************************************************************** This message and any attachments are confidential and should only be read by those to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact us, delete the message from your computer and destroy any copies. Any distribution or copying without our prior permission is prohibited. Internet communications are not always secure and therefore the PowerGen Group does not accept legal responsibility for this message. The recipient is responsible for verifying its authenticity before acting on the contents. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the PowerGen Group. Power Technology: Telephone +44 (0) 115 936 2000 Fax +44 (0) 115 936 2711 E-mail techinfo(a)powertech.co.uk www http://www.powertech.co.uk PowerGen UK plc Registered Office: 53 New Broad Street London EC2M 1SL Registered in England and Wales No: 2366970 **********************************************************************

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OT: Action Max help?

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

--- Sellam Ismail wrote: > Sorry to litter the list with a video game question, but I just picked up an > Action Max game system which is complete minus the instructions, and I'm > wondering where you plug in the RCA cables on the VCR. Anyone familiar with > this thing? I've got one in my collection and was wondering the same thing when I got it (a couple years ago :) --- end of quote --- As far as I can tell, the RCA's simply go to the VCR audio-out jacks so the video's sound can go through the console (and you can then adjust the volume and stereo using the console's controls). Seems to work fine this way, but I probably need to mess with the TV brightness some more...it's finicky about sensing the gun even when I hold the barrel 3 inches from the screen. Also had to take the gun apart and file down all the little plastic boogers (from where it came out of the mold) so the trigger wouldn't stick. -- MB

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OT: Action Max help?

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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