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Free PDP-11 equipment: [3 PDP-11s in working order] in UK

by John.Honniball＠uwe.ac.uk

Anybody in the UK want a PDP-11? This message was sent to the Sun Rescue list (please contact sender at BA directly). ----- Forwarded message from "Aristocleous, Aristoteles O" <Aristoteles.O.Aristocleous(a)BritishAirways.com> ----- Date: 10 Apr 2001 11:06:47 Z From: "Aristocleous, Aristoteles O" <Aristoteles.O.Aristocleous(a)BritishAirways.com> Subject: 3 PDP-11s in working order Hi We are about to throw out 3 PDP-11s, with tape drives, which were in working order when they were powered off, together with some Versatect Printers. They should all still be in working order. We are based at London Heathrow, UK. If you are interested, or know of anyone who would be interested in these machines (in order to save them from the tip), please let me know as soon as possible. If you do want them, I think you will need a tail lift truck, and you must remove ALL the equipment in one visit. You (or the person who wants it) must also agree not to make any BA programs or BA data which can found or recovered from the machines available to anyone, or use it in any way or for any purpose. We have a lift which is capable of carrying the PDPs down to ground level. Best Regards Aris. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21st century air travel http://www.britishairways.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- John Honniball Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk University of the West of England

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What is the current Teledisk version #...

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

Digging through my old disks, I've turned up 2.23

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CPT 8525... what is it?

by jde＠alpha1.net

If anyone knows anything about the Panasonic KX-D4910 portable data terminal please let me know. I would also like to know what emulation can be used like it. I still need to use one of these to program an older phone system. Thanks. jde(a)alpha1.net

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Collection list (just for phun)

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/11/01 1:44:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu writes: > I just realised that I forgot the GRiD 1530. I'd love to get one of the > pen GRiDs, though -- this thing is too bulky to be useful to me. > > -- That reminds me - I forgot to list my GRiDcase 3 as well.. It has 2 10 meg hard drives, a battery, a charger, a power pack and the original GRiD laptop bag :-) -Linc Fessenden A good magician never reveals his secret; the unbelievable trick becomes simple and obvious once it is explained. So too with LINUX! The nice thing about Windows is - It does not just crash, it displays a dialog box and lets you press 'OK' first.

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Docs for Morrow MD3

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

anyone ahve the documentation for the MD3? PDF format would be great....

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HP 9000 520

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Jarkko Teppo <jarkko.teppo(a)er-grp.com> wrote: > The second machine doesn't want to boot, halts with "Fever finstrates than > expected". I really haven't had the time to investigate yet. A "finstrate" is a board (any board, CPU, IOP or memory) in the processor card cage. What's in there? -Frank McConnell

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Two additions to Collection

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Today I picked up a Leading Edge Technical Reference manual and diagnostics diskette at a thrift store in great shape with blank warranty card in jacket. Got a donation of a SPARCstation 2 with keyboard, mouse, special metal mousepad, 19" color monitor, external hard drive (two in the case), and all the cables. The unit fires up and is loaded but the battery is dead.

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HP Journals FS -- HP 9815, 9825 calculators, HP 2100 computers, etc.

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I have just finished listing a bunch of HP Journals on E-bay. Several of them contain articles about the HP 9815 and 9825 calculators, HP 2100 computers and other items of interest to this group. I will be listing more of them tomorrow including at least one issue full of articles about the HP 25 and other Woodstock calculators. You can see the complete list at "http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&u serid=rigdonj(a)intellistar.net". Joe

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SWTP info needed

by pbboy＠mindspring.com

I picked up a SWTP central processing unit, model /09. What is this? It has a SWTP cpu card (MP-09B) with a 2 MHz MC68B09P, a Hazelwood card marked DM-64 and a Microworks card with an MC68B21P on it. The MicroWorks card has wires through the rear of the case. It also has 3 serial and 1 parallel cards. The Hazelwood card looks burned a bit on the back side of one transistor. The CPU card looks ok, but I don't want to power it up without first checking the power supply. What are the voltages for the power supply? What is the MicroWorks card? Does anyone have any docs or info for this, maybe a website? Thanks. Robert

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Collection list (just for phun)

by jpero＠sympatico.ca

Crazy large # of Macs collector, wow. My very modest collection: Mac 1 x C610/AAUI modified to 28MHz on 68040-25 (not bogus LC040) 1 x Mac II my most recent find, beat all of my for OLDest machine. 1 x LC III o/c'ed to 33 1 x Performa 466. Coming: PowerMac 7100 barebones looking for parts to build up this PM. Offering some of my collection where noted to fund this power Mac rebuild. Ebay sucks sometimes especially when buying US cash with worthless canadian funds. Peecees: 1 x Asus P2B rev1.04 PII 350 1 x Asus P5A w/ bastardized P5A-B bios running unlocked P55C 2.5x100MHz as bench pc to test parts. 1 x Asus A7pro w/ duron 800, mini-vroom! 1 x SLT 286 w/ power brick and 1024K ram module installed, all working to trade for Mac parts, no battery. 1 x DECpc XL 466d2 unused, empty shell except for PSU, motherboard, floppy and cpu 486 card. 1 x Aero to trade for power mac parts, request for details on Aero. 1 x TP701. PS/2s 1 x P75 1 x 70-Axx if u don't know what this suffix means, it's one hotshot 386DX in small desktop box IBM ever made or since in PS/2 era. 1 x complete base 90 XP w/ 256K cache, dx 33 complex w/ latest 4GB support bios, 64MB, stock scsi card w/ original scsi cable (!!), looking to trade for PowerMac 6,7,8100 series parts. Best to ship this 90 in parts minus chassis, too heavy to ship at reasonably cost. All that in a 20 x 18 bedroom and all other junk and still have space to walk and sleep comfortably. (!!) Note, if anybody have 6100, 7100, 8100 PM, all the removeable parts like ROM simm, PDS cards (HPV etc) and cache stick except for some items are all same. That 7100 needs a rom stick or complete 7100 motherboard w/ rom stick. Also if anybody have 1MB HPV card to trade for my parts. Cheers, Wizard

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Confirmed speakers for VCF East

by vcf＠siconic.com

I am thrilled to announce that Wayne Green, the mogul of the veritable publishing empire that is Wayne Green Publications, and Jon Titus, designer of the Mark-8 computer, are confirmed as speakers at VCF East! Also, Kevin Stumpf of the Nostalgic Technophile and author of the first ever book on computer collecting, "A Guide to Collecting Computers and Computer Collectibles". http://www.nostalgictechnophile.com More to come! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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vt100 & graphics

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: emanuel stiebler <emu(a)ecubics.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Re: vt100 & graphics >Dave McGuire wrote: >> >> Now, though, I have two VT100s with the VT125 graphics option >> installed. They're neat! > >Was there really an option, or is it just aother mainboard ? It was an option to the main video board. Actually other than some shared timing and IO it could be though ot as a VT100 text terminal and graphics terminal with the video combined (you could do both!). Allison

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List dead?

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Haven't seen a bit of mail out of this list - is it broke?

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OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.

by blacklord＠telstra.com

> Intrusion?? Offending?? Why, because Americans care about what is > taking place between the USA and China? I wouldn't be offended if an > Israeli talked about the stuff in there country with the > Palestinians. > Why is it that because a list is "International" that everyone is > expected to pretend that they don't live in a country? > Chad, The entire topic is thoroughly irrelavant to the list, this is Classic Computers, not International_Espionage, not last time I looked anyway :- ) ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.

by blacklord＠telstra.com

----- Original Message ----- From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 5:13 am Subject: Re: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays. Agreed! > Maybe the biggest objection is that it is completely and totally > off-topic > for a mailing list dedicated to discussing old computers? > > The LAST thing I want is an "Us vs. Them" argument in ClassicCmp. > > In ClassicCmp, as in Cyerbspace, there are no borders. > > Sellam Ismail Vintage > Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org > ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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(no subject)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Thats pretty bizzare looking if it's for 8251 and the cmos cousin. You sure you not talking to something else as 8251s were never 153kb/s and I doubt the cmos parts were much faster. The addresses seems strange but that may be an interface oddity. Also most 8251s needed a few reads in the init after reset to clean them out. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Mekonnen Tekeste <M.Tekeste(a)Bradford.ac.uk> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:26 AM > >Can Any one help me please? i am trying to interface a bar code reader >to PCI Bus via a 82C51 (UART), and i wrote a code to support my >hardware design but the software it seem wrong. Here is the code: > > > >#include <conio.h> >#include <stdio.h> >#include <dos.h> > >/* Type Definitions */ > >typedef unsigned char UBYTE; /* Old habbit... */ > >/* Serial Port Definitions */ > >#define STATUS 0x308 /* Status Base Address */ >#define CONTROL 0x300 /* Control Base Address */ >#define TXREG 0x30C /* Transmit Base Address */ >#define RXREG 0x304 /* Receive Base Address */ >#define TRUE 1 > >/* Function Prototypes */ > >void InitUSART(void); /* Initialize USART */ >void TxData(UBYTE); /* Transmit Data */ >UBYTE RxData(void); /* Receive Data */ > >/* > InitUSART() - Initialize USART to 153600, 8 Data Bits, No Parity, 1 Stop >Bit >*/ >void InitUSART(void) >{ > outp(CONTROL, 0x40); // Reset UART > outp(CONTROL, 0x4E); // Stop, no parity, 8-bit, %16 baud > outp(CONTROL, 0x05); // UART now ready >} > >/* > TxData() - Send Data to Serial Port > Entry: > data = Data to transmit >*/ >void TxData(UBYTE data) >{ > UBYTE x; > > /* Check for Tx Buffer Empty */ > do > { > x = inp(STATUS); > x &= 0x01; > } while(x == 0); > > outp(TXREG, data); /* Send Data */ >} > >/* > RxData() - Receive Data from the Serial Port > Exit: > data = Rx Data byte >*/ >UBYTE RxData(void) >{ > UBYTE x; > UBYTE data = 0; > > while(TRUE) /* Check for Rx Data */ > { > x = inp(STATUS); > x &= 0x02; > if(x == 0x02) > { > data = inp(RXREG); /* Get Data */ > break; > } > > /* Optional. Aborts if keypress */ > > if(kbhit()) /* Abort if Keypress */ > { > getch(); > printf("\n"); > break; > } > } > return(data); >} > > >void main(void) >{ > > >InitUSART(); > >while(TRUE) > putch(RxData()); >} > > > > > > > >

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Now taking exhibit entries for VCF East!!!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> > >I think I am about to announce that the first VCF East will be held at the >Centrum Centre in Worcester, Massachusetts. The tentative dates are June >23-24. Cool I might just be able to make this one. Worcester is only 45 minutes or so west of me. Who knows I can do some face/name association if it works out. Allison

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Heath/Zenith stuff

by jss＠ou.edu

Looks like some local Saint Louis collector has already picked up the stuff. Game over. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)ou.edu

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Minimum VMS Version for VS4000?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Does anyone happen to know the minimum version of VMS that will run on a VAXstation 4000? Either a VLC, m60, or m90. Alternativelly, does anyone know what the max VMS version Oracle 7.0.12 or 6.0.36.7 will support on OpenVMS? Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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NeXT slabs, recent finds and a request...and a spelling checker for who?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 10, Claude.W wrote: > Also, I have an excuse for MY spelling mistakes...I am french.... No worries, Claude; your english is perfectly readable... -Dave McGuire

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Wonder (was Re: just outta curiosity)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 10, Carlos Murillo wrote: > Sigh. I could not afford to pay a yearly Matlab license for a > unix machine with personal money. I did manage to buy a Wintel license > for personal use a couple years ago in a group purchase. > And no, octave and Scilab are not yet up to the task. How much are those Unix licenses these days? > I do prefer unix for my numerics work whenever I have a choice. > Still, my home PC is full of Win32 ports of Unix packages :-) . > No msoffice or anything like that if I can avoid it. Bravo! :-) -Dave McGuire

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Minimum VMS Version for VS4000?

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Does anyone happen to know the minimum version of VMS that will run on a > VAXstation 4000? Either a VLC, m60, or m90. I'm pretty certain the minimum for the 4000/60 is 5.5-2. I didn't get a /90 until well after they were out, so I don't the minimium for that and I've never seen a VLC. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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List dead?

by Demon02554＠aol.com

as far as i can tell this thing works fine

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Why Worcester was chosen for VCF East 1.0

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

It's a bit further north than I would have preferred, but I can't fault your reasoning... And besides, I'm an old WPI alumnus (class of 77), so it'll be a real nostalgia trip for me :-) BTW, anyone else on the list an old WPI hacker (and when I say "hacker", I'm referring to it's archaic meaning, rather than it's current derogatory meaning...) > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude.W [mailto:claudew@videotron.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 1:21 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Why Worcester was chosen for VCF East 1.0 > > > Hi all... > > Well...VCF east hey at Worcester,MA hey....hmmmm...... > > Hey, it's even only a 6 hour drive from Montreal...! > > Ill be easy to spot : 6'4 with a tuque... > > Claude > Canuk Computer Collector > http://computer_collector.tripod.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> > To: Classic Computers Mailing List <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:07 AM > Subject: Why Worcester was chosen for VCF East 1.0 > > > > > > I've gotten some griping about my selection for the > location of the first > > VCF East. > > > > No doubt, a good majority of folks will be quite happy with > the selection. > > This is no accident. The site was chosen based on the > demographics I > > collected. Most of the attendees will be coming from > Massachusetts and > > surrounding areas. > > > > As with any sensible business decision, it was based on what will > > hopefully bring as many attendees to the event, which in > turn means I will > > be able to recoup expenses and will therefore want to continue to do > > Festivals on the east coast. > > > > I received over 150 responses to the VCF East survey. Here > is a summary > > of the results: > > > > This chart shows the number of responses received from each > state, sorted > > by number of attendees in descending order. > > > > State Count > > ----- ----- > > MA 27 > > NY 15 > > PA 12 > > NH 8 > > MD 7 > > OH 5 > > NJ 4 > > FL 4 > > CT 3 > > VT 3 > > GA 3 > > RI 2 > > VA 2 > > NC 2 > > IN 2 > > IL 2 > > MN 2 > > ME 1 > > WV 1 > > MI 1 > > WI 1 > > IA 1 > > MO 1 > > TX 1 > > > > - Nearly 25% of potential attendees will be coming from MA alone > > - 40% of potential attendees will be coming from the New > England area > > - If you include NY, PA and NJ with New England, nearly 70% > will be coming > > from this combined northeast region > > > > There was also a strong desire to keep the event close to the Rhodes > > Island Computer Museum and the Retro-Computing Society of > Rhodes Island so > > that tours to those facilities could be organized. > Providence is only > > about 45 minutes from Worcester. There are also several > other museums > > that I hope to get involved with the event, including the MIT and > > Harvard museums and the Computer Museum in Boston. > > > > Worcester is still within only a few hours of where most of > the potential > > attendees will be coming from. I don't know how you east > coast folks > > perceive distance, but I've lived in California all my life > and a 6-hour > > drive from the San Francisco bay area to the Los Angeles > area is no big > > deal to me. I made the round-trip in one day a couple > weekends ago to > > pick up an old computer. Driving a couple to three hundred > miles should > > not be a major ordeal for most folks. > > > > So there you have it, the reasoning behind the selection of > the location > > for VCF East 1.0. I know it won't please everyone, but the > unhappy folks > > need to realize it has to be held where it makes the most sense. > > > > I really look forward to VCF East, and I hope you easterly > folks do too :) > > > > Sellam Ismail > Vintage Computer > Festival > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > ---- > > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org > > > > >

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More views on technology

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C. Clark And then there's the other view: Any sufficiently low technology is indistinguishable from hard work. Any sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from molasses. Any sufficiently advanced card game is indistinguishable from magic. Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo. Any sufficiently complicated technology is indistinguishable from bad karma. Any sufficiently high technology is indistinguishable from doubletalk. No mine stolen from some other computer person. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Henk Gooijen's PDP-11 prints online

by chris＠mainecoon.com

Yesterday's post brought four CDs filled with TIFFs of PDP-11 (and related) prints. They're available at: http://www.mainecoon.com/classiccmp It's nothing more than a pile of directories and a boatload of files, each of which is on the order of several megabytes. If you're planning on pulling a bunch of these down it might be a good idea to contact me and see if it isn't possible to deliver the stuff to you on CDs... Cheers, Chris. -- Chris Kennedy chris(a)mainecoon.com http://www.mainecoon.com PGP fingerprint: 4E99 10B6 7253 B048 6685 6CBC 55E1 20A3 108D AB97

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Just checking

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

had to resub under my other address as my other seems to be down - ignore this.

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[Fwd: Re: HDOS 3.0]

by knightstalkerbob＠netscape.net

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: HDOS 3.0 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:07:33 EDT From: DocBogner(a)cs.com To: knightstalkerbob(a)netscape.net In a message dated 4/10/2001 8:15:53 AM Central Daylight Time, knightstalkerbob(a)netscape.net writes: << How do I go about transferring from the H-89 to a PC? I know there used to translator services, used one myself once in 85-86. Is there a software package for the H89 or PC that will read the others format, or nul-modem the two together? >> Bob, it's just been too long for me to remember this offhand. I will have to dig into some of my old HDOS notebooks. Meanwhile, please repost the above as a message to me (or All) in the existing HDOS 3 message thread on our forum. That will get some more replies from HDOS users whose memories are better than mine. Doc -- Bob Mason 2x Amiga 500's, GVP A530 (40mhz 68030/68882, 8meg Fast, SCSI), 1.3/3.1, 2meg Chip, full ECS chipset, EZ135, 1084S, big harddrives, 2.2xCD Gateway Performance 500 Piece 'o Crap, '98, 128meg, 20Gig, flatbed. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Wonder (was Re: just outta curiosity)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hmm. I've never found computers tedious. I also don't run Windows. I think there's probably a connection there. :) And no...nobody *NEEDS* to use Windows. I love getting into that argument. "But I NEEEEEEED it!" My favorite response is usually something like "you mean you'd be unemployed and destitute if this one bad product from this one bad company didn't exist?" That really pisses some people off. Others have gone and installed decent OSs on their PeeCees that very day. :) -Dave McGuire On April 8, Chuck McManis wrote: > I don't recall exactly when it was, but I not too long ago I found myself > dealing with the "tediousness" of using a computer. To consider a computer > tedious was, for me, such a shock that I had to ponder the implications of > that. The result of that pondering was that for my tools, I needed them to > work correctly and they rarely were, and getting them fixed was tedious. > However I also realized that for the "PC" at least a lot of the wonder had > gone out of computers. I remember clearly the FORTRAN printout that > computed the impact point of a free falling object dropped from 5,000 feet > in a uniform gravity gradient and a perfect vacuum :-) I printed x & y > co-ordinates of the object for every tenth second and got 20 pages or so of > numbers. That was WONDERful. Writing a PL/I program to use overstrikes to > print multi-shaded histograms on a line printer attached to a 370 was > pretty fun to. > > Figuring out what my graphics program on Win98 wasn't seeing mouse events > was TEDIOUS. > > So much of my motivation is driven by the wonder of what the system can do > with what it has that I find VAXen and PDP-11s much more impressive than > 1.5Ghz Pentium IVs. Capturing the wonder is my secret ingredient to learning. > > --Chuck > >

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large load of old (non-PC) microcomputers available

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Is this some place in Australia? Isn't that where Brisbane is located? I'm not sure I know the abbreviations for all of the Australian states and territories. >Most importantly, are any interested list members in AZ (brisbane I = >think was the city) and could thus do a look-see, and maybe organize = >shipping, etc? Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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vt100 & graphics

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 10, emanuel stiebler wrote: > > Now, though, I have two VT100s with the VT125 graphics option > > installed. They're neat! > > Was there really an option, or is it just aother mainboard ? It's really an option. It's a secondary board, almost as large as the main board, that sandwiches onto it. Then both slide into the card cage. The option kit also comes with a replacement back cover that has extra holes for stuff like the RGB BNC connectors (it can drive an external color monitor)... > P.S. You need both of them ? > ;-) ;) I hadn't thought about parting with one of them, but I might consider it... -Dave McGuire

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Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > >Was the missing radome collision damage? >Or would jettisoning the radome be standard procedure? No. That would be an aerodynamic disaster as it could hit something important further back. FYI: that is an older survialence plane and likely hold fewer secrets that is believed. Allison

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Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.)

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 04:19 PM 4/9/01 -0400, you wrote: >There is some disagreement about jettisoning the radome. Not sure what >made it fall off, but it is only a fiberglass bubble over a radar >transceiver. Not terribly sturdy because it has to be transparent to >radar waves. It is only there to protect the antennae and for aerodynamic >purposes. > >I bet that is one of the only senders on the plane. Of course it is. Did you happen to notice that big dish on the bottom of the fuselage? Guess what's in it? Also take a look at the long dome on top of the fuselage. I'd be willing to bet that it contains a fixed antenna for a side looking RADAR. FWIW the RADAR antenna that was in the forward radome probably contained an antenna for a STANDARD weather and naviagation RADAR. The system certainly contains nothing that would have to be jettisisioned. The rest of it are >antennae for receiving electronic intelligence such as radar frequencies, >radio traffic, microwave traffic, and the like. > >In <Pine.GSO.4.21.0104082328560.11155-100000(a)lanshark.lanminds.com>, on >04/09/01 > at 04:19 PM, "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> said: > >>On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Chris Kennedy wrote: >>> - The radome is missing. I'm at a loss to explain how the radome >>> got ripped off the aircraft by contact on the wing -- especially >>> given that the fuselage forward of the wing root doesn't appear >>> damaged. Most likely it collided with the vertical stablizer (ie "rudder") when the fighter tried to "bump" the EP-3 by passing underneath it at high speed. The debris probably did the damage to the propellors and other external antenna. Joe

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HP 9815 (was Re: HP 9000 520)

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > The two expansion slots were optional on the early 9815 "A" models but > were standard on the later "S" model. There are several interfaces that can > go in those slots. Here's the list of the ones that I know of: One I didn't see on your list, don't know the part number of, and don't have, but have seen in the hands of another subscriber: a cable with a 9815 cartridge on each end, used to connect two 9815s together for tape duplication. -Frank McConnell

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vt100 & graphics

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 8, emanuel stiebler wrote: > In the beginning of the '80 I was sitting on a VT100 with an > additional/optional > "selenar graphics board" > > Anybody out here, ever heard of such beast or has one ? > > As far as I remember, it had an z80 on it, and was emulating an > Tektronix 4010 or something similar. Yes, I used to have one of those. I had a huge amount of fun with it. I ran it hooked up to my pdp11/34a. I have no idea what happened to it...sure wish I'd hung onto it. Now, though, I have two VT100s with the VT125 graphics option installed. They're neat! -Dave McGuire

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OS-65U and/or OS-65D boot disks?

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Someone is looking for these boot disks for emulator use. Can someone here help him? See below. - John : Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:37:03 -0400 From: Chris Ott <cott(a)bellatlantic.net> Organization: Acclamation Systems Since I noticed you'll be downloading the Ohio Scientific manuals next, I'm reminded of a question I wanted to ask. You wouldn't happen to know if anyone out there has a disk image of OS-65U and/or OS-65D, would you? I'd like to try to run them on my C4P emulator. I actually have my own copies, but since I don't have a computer that'll read them, I don't think I have any other options. Chris

25 years, 4 months

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Heath/Zenith stuff

by KB9VU＠aol.com

I have 3 H-89s, 2 H8s, an H19, H29, original Zenith 10 Meg HD with the on board 8" drive, several 8" dual drives, spare SS and DS 5" drives, several spare 5" HH and FH hard drives, controller boards, CPU and TLB boards, spare I/O and RAM boards, drives, chips, hardware. A ton of original documentation and software. All of the systems are in operating condition. Spare parts are used and NOS. Free to the first person that picks it up within the next 7 days in St. Louis, MO E-Mail direct if you want the collection. kb9vu(a)aol.com After 7 days it goes to the dump. We are moving and it just can't be moved with us this time. Thanks. Mike

25 years, 4 months

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just outta curiosity

by Demon02554＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/8/01 3:20:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KenzieM(a)sympatico.ca writes: << My APPLE ][ plus came with CP/M manuals. Reading them I found a reference to the new mini diskettes, they were referring to 5.25" floppies. Browsing in used book stores this weekend I found TI, heathkit, Intel and Motorola chip reference books and a manual for my Amstrad 1640. I'm afraid that many of the older machines won't even be recognised as an old computer by people who started out with a Pentium. When I ask if they have any old hardware they say that they had a Pentium 100 but it was too old and they threw it out. >> WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THOSE PEOPLE?!? i have a little shelf that has all of my old processors sitting on it....since the machines wouldnt work....i have a processor from every generation of the X86...some Atari processors...and i think actually a few gaming console processors....

25 years, 4 months

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Now taking exhibit entries for VCF East!!!

by vcf＠siconic.com

I think I am about to announce that the first VCF East will be held at the Centrum Centre in Worcester, Massachusetts. The tentative dates are June 23-24. With that in mind, I would like to start taking exhibit entries. If you would like to exhibit at the VCF East then please go to the following page and fill in the form: http://www.vintage.org/2001/east/exhibit.php3 First, Second and Third place awards will be given based on attendee votes. $50 will be given to the First Place exhibit. As an enticement, exhibitors get free admission to the event and a free t-shirt. Please remember that this is COMPLETELY PRELIMINARY. The dates and the venue are by no means cast in stone at this point. I just want to start getting exhibitors signed up because the timeframe is so tight. I would also like to take this opportunity to welcome suggestions for speakers at VCF East. If you have suggestions, please send them to <sellam(a)vintage.org>. I will know in the next day or so if Centrum Centre will indeed be the place. Within a few days after that the VCF East area of the VCF website will begin to carry information about speakers, exhibiting, vendors, admission rates, etc. The VCF East message board will open up shortly as well. There will be a link to the message board on the VCF East main page once things get rolling. Stay tuned!!! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

25 years, 4 months

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Slabs, kids, shipping, cdtv.

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 06:39:56 -0400 > From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: NeXT slabs, recent finds and a request > > I've got a CDTV myself, but it's CD-ROM doesn't work. > Otherwise it > works fine booted from a floppy, acting like an A500. I've got > keyboard, wireless mouse, remote and a black Roctek floppy > drive. What > does your keyboard look like? Mine is black and looks > identical to the > A3000/A4000 keyboard except for the connector but it doesn't > have 'CDTV' > below the Amiga logo in the upper right corner and it almost > looks like > it was spray painted black. The cord and connector don't look like a > homebrew job though. My keyboard DOES say 'CDTV' but doesn't have the amiga logo (I don't think) and it looks identical to the keyboard for the Amiga 1500 its sitting on top of, apart from being black and having a mini-din connector. There's a thought - the wired mouse connector looks identical to the Apple ADB port......anyone know if I could use a 2-button Kensington Mac mouse? Got one floating around somewhere....heh..... > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:37:24 -0400 > From: Curt Vendel <curt(a)atari-history.com> > Subject: Re: NeXT slabs, recent finds and a request > > Hi Adrian, > > Sure, I'd be happy to ship one, I'd highly recommend > shipping by boat, > no air as it'll cost into the hundreds. Do you want a monitor? (its > actually a necessity since the keyboard/mouse plug into the > monitor and the > monitor cable plugs into the slab and also takes its power > from the slab.) > > Let me know and I have no problems lugged down two boxes (1 cpu, 1 > monitor) to the post office for you. Yes please; slab/monitor/kbd/rodent and I agree about the boat shipping - I haven't got any spare arms and legs to pay for airmail :) Actually, you could probably ship it to my gf's sister in Providence, RI 'cos she's coming over here next month and might be able to bring it with her since her bf's a pilot! > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:50:43 +0100 (BST) > From: "M.Buckett" <M.Buckett(a)dcs.hull.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: NeXT slabs, recent finds and a request > > Hi, > If your prepared to ship to the UK I would be very interested > in getting a > slab, monitor, keyboard and bits if there are still some going. > How much do expect shipping by boat to the UK will be? and > how long will it take? 4-6 weeks and probably round the $30-$50 mark I'd guess...... > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:34:10 -0500 > From: "McFadden, Mike" <mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu> > Subject: Re: just outta curiosity > > Being a kid is a state of mind. I know a few 17 year old > adults and a few 40 year old kids. I'm a (nearly) 34 year old kid :) > I consider myself a kid because I sit on the floor when I take apart > computers, I stand on my head in containers/dumpsters pulling > out computers, > I occasionally look like a dust bunny/dirt devil after > crawling around a warehouse. Check! > My kids think I'm a kid or crazy because I talk > to the computers when I'm taking them apart. Check! > Kids also get excited when they get new toys, and that's me > when I've found a new computer. I don't get excited per se since I haven't been excited about anything for 10 years or so, hence the Prozac I'm on now and the past tendency to want to jump off tall buildings (over that now, fortunately :) but I DO get a sense of satisfaction that it's another machine that's been saved that I'll eventually get time to play with. > Maybe I'll go back to school when my kids are in college and > teach kids. > Actually my goal is to be able to work/play on interesting projects. Check! My daughter's school has expressed an interest in bringing the kids round to see the museum when its in some sort of order since they're all PeeCee based apart from a couple of Beebs and the odd Mac. She thinks its great that I've got a couple of Colour Classics now since that's what she uses at school! Right. Back on me head :) -- Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP C CAT Limited Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work) <http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (home) <http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (The Online Computer Museum) 0/0

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27C020's :)

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

YAY!!!!! I found a local wholesaler that offered to sample me out 2 of the chips I need :) I will definately be buying repair componants for systems from them from now on :) I LOVE a company that goes out of their way to provide customer service :) I also found a source for 11 of them in a tube for $12.00 plus shipping, he ahs 7 tubes :) i think I'll be getting a few of these since sparc 2's, ipc's ipx's and Sparc 10's all use those for their ROMs...

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Looking for Les Solomon

by vcf＠siconic.com

Does anyone have any contact information for Les Solomon of Popular Electronics fame? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

25 years, 4 months

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Atari 520ST up for grabs in Maryland

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here's a boxed Atari 520ST with all the trimmings. Looking for a new home. Please reply to the original sender. Reply-to: <fmstef(a)earthlink.net> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:31:54 -0400 From: Frederick Steffens <fmstef(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Atari 520ST Hi: I have an Atari 520ST with software, a color monitor and original packing. Also included is manuals and other software, mostly games. I would like to give this computer to a good home, rather than trashing it. Let me know if you have an interest. Thanks, Fred Steffens --- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

25 years, 4 months

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Where to find 44pin edge cards/ 6502 d/l freeware

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that THETechnoid(a)home.com may have mentioned these words: >MIght try www.atari.org. They have links to the common suppliers of >obsolecent Atari gear. Including development boards and the like. > >Wish I could remember all of them, but: > >BravoSierra is one, B&C Computervisions is another, and there are a couple >of others that escape my perforated memory. Acid is not a good thing for >your long-term memory.... > >Regards, > >Jeff Those are good suggestions, but IMHO the atari dealers get kinda expensive... the 44-pin slots were actually quite standard, and are available from www.jameco.com & *prolly* (but don't quote me) from www.bgmicro.com. Jameco also has the 44-pin edge proto boards, which might be handy if you like to do homebrew electronics. These guys carry a lot of older things, but they don't (usually) want an arm & leg from you... Another good place to try is www.mouser.com - I'm not affiliated with them other than a very satisfied customer... Jameco wants a $5.00 "processing fee" for orders under $50.00, so you might want to browse the catalog for other stuff they carry... HTH, Roger "Merch" Merberger (Oh, Jeff - I did get your email, but things have been crazy over the winter - I have quaffed a few ales with your brother (and he likes my homebrew... ;-), he only lives a few miles from me.) -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chris Kennedy <chris(a)mainecoon.com> > >You screwed up the attribution. This wasn't me -- I did the wing loading >calcs to refute it :-) > Sorry, too many layers of indirection. Allison

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Looking for Hayes LANStep

by chronic＠nf.sympatico.ca

Does anyone out there have a copy of this? I remember using it all the time when my school had a nice, respectable computer network and not the Windows NT garbage they have now. I loved the interface, not the best looking thing around but real user friendly and all. If anyone has a copy, let me know. -Lanny

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Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chris Kennedy <chris(a)mainecoon.com> > >> Since the US plane is larger and slower than the Chinese fighters it >> would be effected more by the turbulence. The effect of turbulence is based on wing loading and wingspan. the E-3 having greater wingspan is less impacted as the figher wake is more localized. Further international flight rules stipulate that the faster and more maneuverable plane (fighter) MUST give way to the slower (E-3). >There's a bunch of problems with the Chinese claim that the EP-3 >made a sudden roll and thus caused the contact: Even if that were the case the fighers position was such that he would be invisible to the larger E-3. >- The photo evidence of the damage isn't consistent with running > into another airplane. The prop tips are munched, but the props > are still attached to the gearboxes and the gearboxes and engines > didn't depart the airframe. The damage is more consistent with > colliding with birds -- or debris. It was a close miss, likely the props did some nasty chewing on the fighter. Those mounts and gearboxes are very robust on that bird. >- The radome is missing. I'm at a loss to explain how the radome > got ripped off the aircraft by contact on the wing -- especially > given that the fuselage forward of the wing root doesn't appear > damaged. Flying peices from the contact could be a factor. >It looks more like the Fishbed was trying to bump the Aries (which >essentially consists of passing under the Aires with a delta of >about +200 knots and pulling vertical) and wasn't up to the task. >The empennage collided with the radome, peeled the radome and part of >the empennage off and the Aires in turn plowed through the debris field. Likely. One common maneuver to rattle the slower bird is pass from the low and behind and pull up and infront crossing the path of the slower aircraft. Mistiming can be very bad. >Like saying that _he_ gave the downed pilot permission to bail out? >Since when does wing give lead permission to do anything (the usual >job of wing is to tuck in tight, shut up and listen to guard) -- or >was the surviving pilot lead, in which case what was the wingman doing >in a position where the only way he could collide with the Aires >would have been if the Aires went into Beta thrust? Exactly. Inconsistant stories. Add to that the chinese pilots do not get the air time the US pilots do and have less proficientcy. Allison

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OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com> >The operable variables are: Method of Propulsion - wind power stays on >course, motors maneuver. Size: The smaller vessel is generally the more >maneuverable and is obliged to do so. Very so for aircraft. it has more depth as there are blimps, choppers, sailplanes but the rule is basically the same everywhere. >There are other rules as well, but these two suit this situation very >nicely. Fast, jet powered fighter aircraft can and should avoid colliding >with butt slow prop-driven piglike aircraft. Really, that is the first >duty of any fighter pilot after taking off and before landing. The rest >is trying to SHOOT down the bad guys. Ramming them is not nearly so >effective, as our Chinese friends have learned. It's a result of serious pilot error on the part of the figher pilot. Allison

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Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>From: "Eric J. Korpela" <korpela(a)ellie.ssl.berkeley.edu> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:48 AM >Subject: Re: Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.) > > >> > - The radome is missing. I'm at a loss to explain how the radome >> > got ripped off the aircraft by contact on the wing -- especially >> > given that the fuselage forward of the wing root doesn't appear >> > damaged. >> >> I've assumed that the missing radome was part of the "landing >>preparations" if you know what I mean. Far from likely, the dome it self is just a RF transparent window and all the goodies, radar antenna and bits, are mounted to the aircraft. The seperation like for a contact would be clean as the dome is removeable with ease for maintenace on the equipment behind it. Besides the dome leaving would likely contact other parts of the plane on the way past doing significant damage. What I can't figure is why the figher pilot didn't punch out unless his path was such that his canopy was scraped off taking him with it. Allison

25 years, 4 months

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goodbye / giveaway

by nemo＠net.house.cx

I've not been active on this list, but circumstances force my hand and I must depart. I also want to clear my rooms of stuff that's filling my place. I have a Tektronix 4012 terminal (vaguelly working - the screen lights up) to anyone who wants it and can pick it up. I'm in Canberra, Australia. I've got a few other items around that might be of interest to people. Some Xterminals (not actually 10 years old, but still older than most people want to know about) and WYSE terminals. (one that works, one that is probably fixable, and one that probably isn't) You'll have to email me directly if you're interested. <nemo(a)net.house.cx> cheers... .../Nemo

25 years, 4 months

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For Sale: PDP-8/i w/ Paper Tape

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

-----Original Message----- From: William Donzelli <aw288(a)osfn.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:36 AM Subject: For Sale: PDP-8/i w/ Paper Tape >Due to my computing interests becoming very much centered in the IBM >world, and also due to 2 tons of Big Blue stuff coming shortly, I have >decided to sell off a PDP-8/i. I promised the original seller that I >would not Ebay the thing, so I am keeping it to only a few lists. Never mind the 8/i....What's the thing to the left of it ? Jos Dreesen

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Digitizing Archives Not So Easy

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Article about the difficulty of preserving information in the digital age http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,42842,00.html They like 9 track tapes probably because they understand them. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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MicroVAX 3800

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

Looking for parts for a MicroVAX 3800. A salvage yard did a number taking out the TK70 and a couple of drives. I finally have it back together and booting up. Now I am looking for the complete front door assembly and the silk screened label that fits over the front panel buttons. Willing to trade etc. Brian.

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OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

At 04:47 PM 4/9/2001 -0400, Jeff wrote: >We are all adults here. I doubt this could turn into a flame war. We've been through this already Jeff and have established that we are all children here. (regardless of age) Which might go a long way toward explaining some of the threads :-) --Chuck

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just outta curiosity

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

It's nostalgia time Do you remember IBM JCL, Job Control Language? Do you remember DEC DOS/BATCH? Have you punched cards using a drum card? Have you used an O26 keypunch? Have you used an O29 keypunch? Have you played trek on at VT52? Have you entered data on a VT05? Have you used an RX01? Have you used a TU58? The oldy and goldy Fortran II, remember go to's and format statements. Don't forget all capitals. IMPLICIT INTEGER (I-N) READ(5,995) I IF( I ) 100,200,300 100 PRINT(6,999) I 999 FORMAT('0I IS NEGATIVE, ',I4) GO TO 500 200 PRINT(6,998) I 998 FORMAT('0I IS ZERO, ',I4) GO TO 500 300 PRINT(6,997) I 997 FORMAT('0I IS POSITIVE, ',I4) 500 STOP END I think a computer language and programming flame war is needed to clear the air and stoke the emotions :) Never mind! Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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New find - NEC "mini7 GX" word processor

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

I was at a recent vehicle auction at the Volunteers of America (to look at the single-engine "experimental" one-seat airplane (that sold for ~$3600) and ran across an 1977 electronic sub-hunt game from Milton Bradley and an NEC mini7 GX dedicated word processor. I picked up the electronic game because it was 75% off green-tags day (making the game about $0.67) and I picked up the word processor because it came complete with all docs, spare floppies (720K 3.5"), spare ribbon, and an unused sheet feeder. Oh... I should mention... the docs and all the onscreen messages are in Japanese. It's my second Japanese WP (the first is a portable Sharp I got at a hamfest, but I've never found ribbons for it). After an extensive search on the web, all I could find (including on Japanese web pages) were a couple of translating utilities and a web page for a company that does media conversions. I do read _some_ Japanese (thus the interest in a word processor), but not much Kanji (a few, but mostly I read Katakana and Hirigana). The slim "getting started" guide is somewhat helpful, mostly because of all the pictures and labels in kana. Nevertheless, I am finding it quite difficult to get started with this thing. Has anyone on the list ever seen an NEC mini7? There are several models, some with dual floppy, some with floppy and hard disk (and, I think, a mini5 that may have dual floppy _plus_ hard disk). At this point, I can only read about 60% of the keyboard (lots of function keys, but I think I've figured out "shifuto" and "supeesu" ;-) The copyright dates in the docs and on screen indicate that this was made around 1986-1987. I haven't disassembled it yet (I've barely had time to power it on), but I'm guessing it has a V20 or similar processor in it. There is an optional RS-232 opening in the back (blank on mine) and a what appears to be a 36-pin centronics connector for an external printer as well as a smaller connector nearby that I'm guessing goes to the sheet feeder. *Any* information on this or something similar would be helpful. If I had a way to input kanji into Babelfish, I'd start translating keytops and phrases in the manual. I've been making a list of certain kanji I see over and over again and figure I'll need to learn. Thanks, -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

25 years, 4 months

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Fwd from the Greenkeys list ...

by jfoust＠threedee.com

>From: "Craig Sawyers" <c.sawyers(a)tech-enterprise.com> >To: <greenkeys(a)qth.net> >Subject: RE: [GreenKeys] Refinishing question... >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:52:44 +0100 > >> I >> demonstrated the M14 Strip Printer with Gumming Desk. They want to >> film the unit later this month. > >Thinking of WWII period stuff, you all might be interested in a film that >will be released in the US in August/September called Enigma. It is a >dramatisation of a novel by Harris of the same name, and has been produced >by Mick Jagger. > >Reason I know about this is that I have been restoring some cipher equipment >at Bletchley Park, and that is where much of the filming was done, and where >all the props are. These are ridiculously convincing! There is a full size >replica of the centre section of a U-boat, complete with rust streaks (you >feel obliged to knock on it to convince yourself it isn't made of metal), >and a 30 foot scale model of a whole U-boat for long shots. There are >several Turing Bombe replicas, and three Typex cipher machines (these look >so convincing I leant on one of them to reach something, and it toppled >over! They usually weigh a hundredweight!). > >Anyway - those in the UK, or visiting, can see the props as well as real >exhibits. I'm looking forward to seeing the film! > >Craig > >---- >Submissions: greenkeys(a)qth.net

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OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.

by blacklord＠telstra.com

----- Original Message ----- From: Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> Date: Monday, April 9, 2001 3:47 pm Subject: Re: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays. > > Our people need our support now. Later is never in this game. > > Our? > I agree with that last comment of yours, some people don't seem to realise that this list is world-wide, it definitely isn't "our" plane, & to tell the truth, I couldn't care less - can we get back on topic peoples ? telnet://commodore.thebbs.org ftp://commodore.thebbs.org ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

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HP 9000 520

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I've been noticing a very disturbing trend...anything that isn't an overclocked Intel box is "old" or "legacy". For those of us who care about the quality of what we put on our desktops (and in our computer rooms), this is pretty frightening. -Dave McGuire On April 6, Curt Vendel wrote: > Joe, > > Old Odd Machine??? The HP 9000 K520 isn't that terribly old, I installed > one of those with HPUX 11.3 at GT Interactive in Manhattan back in 95' A > damn good and powerful machine. > > > Curt > > > > Joe wrote: > > > FWIW there were two of these for sale at the auction at the Goddard Space > > Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama this past week. A guy that I know went > > to the auction and I asked him to try and pick them up for me but I don't > > know if he did or not. He should be back in a day or two and then I'll > > know. The point is there's still lots of these old odd machines around if > > someone is willing to search for them. > > > > Joe

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just outta curiosity

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Being a kid is a state of mind. I know a few 17 year old adults and a few 40 year old kids. I consider myself a kid because I sit on the floor when I take apart computers, I stand on my head in containers/dumpsters pulling out computers, I occasionally look like a dust bunny/dirt devil after crawling around a warehouse. My kids think I'm a kid or crazy because I talk to the computers when I'm taking them apart. Kids also get excited when they get new toys, and that's me when I've found a new computer. Actually I'm a 49 year old kid. Maybe I'll go back to school when my kids are in college and teach kids. Actually my goal is to be able to work/play on interesting projects. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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HP 9000 520

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

FWIW there were two of these for sale at the auction at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama this past week. A guy that I know went to the auction and I asked him to try and pick them up for me but I don't know if he did or not. He should be back in a day or two and then I'll know. The point is there's still lots of these old odd machines around if someone is willing to search for them. Joe

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just outta curiosity

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 04:58 PM 4/8/01 -0400, THETechnoid(a)home.com wrote: >I often hear folks refer to thier computer as a "modem". I suppose they >do this because that is the main function of the machine for them - being >spammed by AOL. >Some call it thier 'hard drive'. Some call it thier 'Windows'. The one that drives me crazy is when people call it "the computer", as in "I'm learning the computer now." - John

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Way OT (was RE: OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.)

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 11:33 PM 4/8/01 -0700, you wrote: >On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Chris Kennedy wrote: >> - The radome is missing. I'm at a loss to explain how the radome >> got ripped off the aircraft by contact on the wing -- especially >> given that the fuselage forward of the wing root doesn't appear >> damaged. > >Was the missing radome collision damage? >Or would jettisoning the radome be standard procedure? Jettision the radome? Surely you jest??? How do you propose to jettision something that's on the FRONT of the aircraft when there are four LARGE whirling propellors behind it? Obviously you never seen what happens to a propellor when it strikes a solid object. It's one thing to stike a soft object like a person when idling on the ground but the results are VERY different when it hits metal debris. Especially at flight speed and engine cruise RPM. Any damage to the blades throws the whole engine/gearbox/propellor assembly badly out of balance. Then the blades break off and fly around like huge knives. If one hits the fuselage it WILL go completely through it and it can cut it completely in two. Even if the fuselage survives, the blade will usually cut all the flight controls and the aircraft go completely out of control. And let's not even talk about what it can do to the other engines, propellors and fuel tanks! This isn't speculation. This is exactly what happened to a similar aircraft (EC-121) flying out of Otis AFB. We lost the entire crew of 23 people. All in all, the crew of the US plane is very lucky to be alive. The pilots had to have been very good just to get the plane on the ground in one piece. Flying back to their carrier or a US base would have been absolutely out of the question. Joe > > >

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OT somewhat. China, our aircraft, delays.

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 05:52 PM 4/8/01 -0700, you wrote: >Do you remember when we would call that "an Army weather plane doing >meteorological research"? > >When did we start calling them spy planes? AFTER Gary Powers was shot down in his "unarmed weather recon" plane and he and the plane and it's equipment were put on public display in the USSR. Before that most people in the US were naive enough to believe that we didn't do such things. ROFL! > > >What WOULD we do if the roles were reversed? Shoot it down of course. But this isn't exactly the same thing. This flight was over water and not over land. We (the US), the Russians, the Cubans and a number of other countries have been doing this for YEARS and it's been common for the "enemy's" aircraft to escort each others aircraft. I've been in aircraft in the North Atlantic that were escorted by Russian fighters and our fighters also regularly escorted their aircraft. In the vast majority of the cases there was no trouble. I'm sorry but I don't see any secret plots in the recent US/Chinese incident. It's not uncommon for aircraft in close formation to collide and I think it was an accident. Now both governments are acting like tough guys and unwilling to admit any fault or apologize. It's all rather childish IMO. Does anyone have a count on the number of Cuban, Russian, North Korean and other communist aircraft that have landed in US controlled bases that we've kept and reverse engineered? I can name at least four that I personally know of. Joe

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HP 2000 TSB status update

by west＠tseinc.com

At long last, the 7900A drive is working reliably - and passes all diagnostics. The dual 2100 cpus are fully tested, as is the processor interconnect kit. The last major peripheral I have to get up and running is my 7970E tape drive - that's being worked on right now. Soon as that's done - I can start loading the HP2000 Access TSB operating system. After that system is up, I'll then build an HP2000E system using a 21MX cpu instead; all parts are on-hand for that. Items I'm still looking for desparately: The HP2000 IOP firmware for the 21MX cpu's (I have the firmware for 2100's, but need it for the 21MX's). Need the diags for the 7970E on paper tape, the newer version that uses the diagnostic configurator (have 7970E diags, but they're the old non-configurator style). System operators guide for 2000E (Al? Eric??, Bob Curtis wants his manual!!).

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Way OT Bullets and house cleaning

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hmm, I don't shoot things... I blow them up.. Or make use of a nice large sledgehammer, combined with dropping/kicking/running over the object marked for destruction... blowtorches are fun too! (Note: this is directed at non-living critters, mainly dead hard drives, PC cases, and, in one memorable occasion of particular violence, an iMac keyboard.. heh..) Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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VT340 focus adjustment?

by dburrows＠netpath.net

Loktite or drip some candle wax on it. Dan >Thanks Allison! I got the cover off and found the adjustment side of the >terminal (left side looking at it from the front) and the focus is a screw >that goes into what looks like an HV transformer. I've adjusted it to be >razor sharp, now what do I use to "lock it down" ? What is that stuff that >looks like nail polish called? > >--Chuck >

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Paul Allen Buys Old MITS Building

by jlewczyk＠speakeasy.net

Its gonna become a computer museum! Albuquerque newspaper article: http://www.abqjournal.com/news/294821news04-04-01.htm >From the article... A founder of software colossus Microsoft has purchased the Albuquerque building where the company had its first office, parties to the transaction said Tuesday. A company controlled by Paul G. Allen in October purchased the 26,000-square-foot building at the intersection of California and Linn NE, said Peggy Daskalos, whose company sold the building. Allen teamed up with Bill Gates in 1975 to start what became Microsoft. *snip* According to a brief item in the current issue of Forbes magazine, the building's sellers say Allen's company plans to turn the building into a computer museum. *snip* Slashdot discussion: http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/05/194214.shtml - John Lewczyk - jlewczyk(a)speakeasy.net

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HP 9000 520

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/7/01 7:16:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes: > Despite the large > number of them used by the US Navy, very few managed to get into the > surplus market. I couldn't find a single surplus dealer that had one or > that even knew what they were. I got one shortly before my auction. It was like an overgrown 9845 It was larger and heavier IIRC. and sharper corners. It was one of the first 32 bit integrated workstations. Advertised as a mainframe on the desktop in 1985. Ran HP-UX.. Came with either a B&W or color monitor, 512K byte Ram and a 5 1/4 floppy. You could add a 10 meg HD, internal I think. The 9000 520 also cost $30,000 to $50,000 in 1985. Mine had two HPIB channels. I tried to get it hooked up before the sale but wasn't able to. A local listmember bought it so it is still within the CC list family. It is the only one of those I ever found. Paxton Portland, OR

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IBM 7545

by h.mansfield＠ucc.ie

I am interested in a copy of the Eproms on this machine , they are labelled IC16 and IC17 on the main controller board , prehaps a copy could be sent as an email attachment . I would appreciate any help . Regards , Hilary Mansfield

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just outta curiosity

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

>> > definition of "kid" = under age 18 >> >> Wrong definition, I suspect :-) Especially if you ask my wife! Probably >> even more so if you ask some of my work colleagues about my collection. >> >> >Reminds me of the old saying "Men are just boys... with more expensive >toys". Certainly Fiona reckons that I need to grow up, playing with >computers and bikes. I might just do that one day but yet, I am only 43. I read a good Wired article, an interview with Arthur C. Clarke on the 25th anniversary of 2001. He said he wanted his epitaph to be this: "He never grew up; but he never stopped growing." That sounds like a good life to me! The full interview at: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.03/clarke.html makes a VERY interesting read, especially his comments on "reality"... Also, to make this slightly on-topic, thanks to all who responded on my Northstar keyboard problem. I am in the middle of selling my house and buying a new one, and the last couple of storms up here in central Massachusetts flooded my basement, so I have been cleaning up from that. I will try things out, and let you all know what's up... Rich B.

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just outta curiosity

by vcf＠siconic.com

On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, bill claussen wrote: > Very well stated and welcome to all that are interested in your given area! To be serious (for once) I think it's terrific that "kids" are interested in old computers. To show an interest in machines that in some cases predate themselves shows a reverence and appreciation for computer technology, and this is the type of person the world needs to continue progress. Seriously. Back in the 50s the US was on such a push to emphasize technology in schools, but nowadays we are teaching kids how to be users and nothing more. I'm glad to see younger folks taking it upon themselves to explore technology at a more fundamental level. These are the ones who will become the great programmers and engineers of the future. One of the things I am doing to promote appreciation of old computers and computer history amongst the younger generation is preparing a mini-lecture on computer history that I plan to give at local schools (for free of course). My idea is to show them how we got to where we are today with computing technology, for example showing them an evolution of disk drive technology by comparing a ZIP drive to a 3.5" to a 5.25" to an 8" to paper tape to punch cards, etc. And actually bringing the drives in too! It won't interest all of them, or even most of them, but the ones that were waiting to discover computers will certainly "get it", and those are the ones I want to reach. Plus once I get them hooked I can then recruit them to do menial tasks for the VCF Archives like cataloguing books and schlepping stuff around ;) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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O.T. - Virus: FOOT-AND-MOUTH

by lgwalker＠look.ca

------- Forwarded message follows ------- Send reply to: <1st-powermacs(a)mail.maclaunch.com> (1st PowerMacs) To: <1st-powermacs(a)mail.maclaunch.com> (1st PowerMacs) Date sent: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 07:23:16 -0600 From: aergo <aergo(a)earthlink.net> Subject: O.T. - Virus: FOOT-AND-MOUTH Have a good week, everyone ! A. ;-) ====================================== Subject: Virus: FOOT-AND-MOUTH ====================================== FOOT-AND-MOUTH BELIEVED TO BE FIRST VIRUS UNABLE TO SPREAD THROUGH MICROSOFT OUTLOOK Researchers Shocked to Finally Find Virus That Email App Doesn't Like Atlanta, Ga. - Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Symantec's AntiVirus Research Center today confirmed that foot-and-mouth disease cannot be spread by Microsoft's Outlook email application, believed to be the first time the program has ever failed to propagate a major virus. "Frankly, we've never heard of a virus that couldn't spread through Microsoft Outlook, so our findings were, to say the least, unexpected," said Clive Sarnow, director of the CDC's infectious disease unit. The study was immediately hailed by British officials, who said it will save millions of pounds and thousands of man hours. "Up until now we have, quite naturally, assumed that both foot-and-mouth and mad cow were spread by Microsoft Outlook," said Nick Brown, Britain's Agriculture Minister. "By eliminating it, we can focus our resources elsewhere." However, researchers in the Netherlands, where foot-and-mouth has recently appeared, said they are not yet prepared to disqualify Outlook, which has been the progenitor of viruses such as "I Love You," "Bubbleboy," "Anna Kournikova," and "Naked Wife," to name but a few. Said Nils Overmars, director of the Molecular Virology Lab at Leiden University: "It's not that we don't trust the research, it's just that as scientists, we are trained to be skeptical of any finding that flies in the face of established truth. And this one flies in the face like a blind drunk sparrow." Executives at Microsoft, meanwhile, were equally skeptical, insisting that Outlook's patented Virus Transfer Protocol (VTP) has proven virtually pervious to any virus. The company, however, will issue a free VTP patch if it turns out the application is not vulnerable to foot-and-mouth. Such an admission would be embarrassing for the software giant, but Symantec virologist Ariel Kologne insisted that no one is more humiliated by the study than she is. "Only last week, I had a reporter ask if the foot-and-mouth virus spreads through Microsoft Outlook, and I told him, "'Doesn't everything?'" she recalled. "Who would've thought?" ------- End of forwarded message ------- Reply to: lgwalker(a)look.ca

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ESDI drives

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

Tony is (almost) correct: ESDI drives use a binary select scheme similar to SCSI. The three select bits are decoded to enable drives 1,2,...,6,7. There's no "drive 0" because that corresponds to the "deselect all drives" condition. However, some PC controllers only support two drives (another legacy of the IBM PC BIOS) and of course they use drives 1 and 2. Therefore, some PC manufacturers suggest using a cable with a twist, to swap pins 26 and 28 (DS1 and DS2), leaving the select jumpers the same on both drives. I've never seen a cable with a twist on a "real" ESDI system. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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just outta curiosity

by Demon02554＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/8/01 5:01:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: << Ah yes, to be young and naive again :) The one thing you can never have enough of is time. Use it wisely to avoid regrets later on in life (moral of the story: get a <girl/boy>friend and a life now...they will become equally as important later on). Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org >> heh it was a joke dude....but oh well....i used to have one...just in between now...

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Burroughs E6000

by dittman＠dittman.net

The first computer I had close-up experience with was a Burroughs E6000. This was a low-end business system that my grandfather's business used for doing payroll. After the system was retired it was stuck in a garage. About 20 years ago I claimed the unit but given that I don't have the space all I took was the schematics and build list (the unit is still in the garage waiting for me to do whatever with it). -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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PDP11/23 free to anyone who wants one.

by Demon02554＠aol.com

i called it first...heh Robert Cobbins

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PDP11/23 free to anyone who wants one.

by Demon02554＠aol.com

how much for shipping....im interested

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DEC Pro380 Mainboard Wanted

by dittman＠dittman.net

I have a Pro380 with a bad mainboard. I've got someone >from this list checking to see if he has a spare, but I'd like to see if anyone else has a spare for sale, just in case. Thanks. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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just outta curiosity

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

In a message dated 04/07/2001 10:19:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Demon02554(a)aol.com writes: > just wondering....am i the only kid on this list? > > Robert Cobbins Define "kid." Glen 0/0

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GKS startup on VT340 terminals?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hello all, does anyone know what parameters I need to give to SYS$STARTUP:GKSTARTUP.COM to tell it that I'm doing graphics on a VT terminal rather than on a frame buffer? --Chuck

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New Finds

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 8, 18:02, Iggy Drougge wrote: > On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Mark Green wrote: > > > THe keyboards are non-standard, so its a good thing you found them. > > What does a "standard" keyboard look like? Ha! Good question. What Mark probably means is a PS/2 keyboard, which later SGIs use. Suns, however, also use proprietary keyboards and mice (unique serial protocol), at least until recently -- the new SunBlades are USB-only. Yuk. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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HP 9000 520

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 8, 13:11, Joe wrote: > At 03:12 PM 4/7/01 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > What about the NEWER "good" stuff? > > Like what? Even SGI is going to WinBlows/Intel platforms. Is it? I've seen precisely one SGI Wintel box (which got sent back), and the CEO who introduced that idea has gone. Most of what SGI seems to be doing now is firmly back in the MIPS/IRIX camp, I'm glad to say. With a generous dose of Linux. How far it'll go is anybody's guess, of course. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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HP 9000 520

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 8, Joe wrote: > >> > For those of us who care about the quality of what we put on our > >> >desktops (and in our computer rooms), this is pretty frightening. > >> > >> Yeap, you'd better grab the older "good" stuff while you can. > > > > What about the NEWER "good" stuff? > > > Like what? Even SGI is going to WinBlows/Intel platforms. Yeah, they've been saying that for years. I don't know of anyone who's bought one. I'm partial to Alphas, myself, aside from SGIs... -Dave McGuire

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just outta curiosity

by Demon02554＠aol.com

>Nope, we intend to keep everything from you young whipper-snappers. Your >first history lesson is to understand that computers used to sit behind >big panes of glass, accessible only to the priesthood that maintained >them. You communed with them only through a small hole where you passed >your punched cards and got your results back (usually just error >messages). >So too it is with computer history. You can only have access to the >knowledge we pass to you through the little hole in the window. Do not >try to subvert our authority or we will find it fit to smite thee. >And let's just get one thing straight, you were either born to compute or >you ended up being some post-degree market-molded wannabee nerd who >couldn't get a job in your chosen profession and just jumped on the >bandwagon during the great Internet bubble economy of the late 1990s and >"became" a programmer. >So it is not true that "gurus were neophytes once". Gurus are born, >not made. >Ah, nothing like a good rabble rousing to start a Sunday morning. >Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org well....there werent always punchcards....my grandfather once let me see a "supercomputer" that was programmed entirely by pushing switches.... anyways...im 16....i've been into computers since i was about a year old....have been a "programmer" since i was 5 and discovered BASIC...now im more into figuring out hardware design and all that fun stuff.... but the gurus should be nicer to us cause there are more of us than there are of them....and if need be i'll go find the info i need on my own...its amazing what you can do when you dont have a girlfriend or much life outside of school....heh Robert Cobbins

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ESDI drives

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 7, 23:31, Tony Duell wrote: > Incidentally, is the ESDI spec > available anywere (or at least a signal description)? I'v not looked for whole spec recently, but the pinout is available at http://www.u-net.com/mike/techref/iopin.txt (about 1/3 of the way down the page) and also in "the hardware handbook" website at http://www.hardwarebook.net/ However, you need to take a little care with some of the pinouts listed there, as they're not all "official", some are just what people have found to work in particular circumstances (eg, some of the "null modem" cables"). Didn't Aaron Finney have ESDI amongst his pinout list collection? And what happened to that, anyway? His web page at http://www.prinsol.com/classiccmp/ seems to have disappeared. > > However, some PC controllers only support two drives (another legacy of the > > IBM PC BIOS) and of course they use drives 1 and 2. Therefore, some PC > > manufacturers suggest using a cable with a twist, to swap pins 26 and 28 > > (DS1 and DS2), leaving the select jumpers the same on both drives. I've > > never seen a cable with a twist on a "real" ESDI system. > > I wondered about that, too (it was an obvious way for a twist to be able > to swap drives 1 and 2). I assume from this that the drive select lines > are not used as data lines for anything else, then (unlike SCSI, say, > where the same 8 lines are used both to select a particular unit and to > transfer commands and data). No, it's a pretty low-level interface, like ST506/412. I read somewhere that it was designed as an enhanced/faster ST412 interface, possibly by Maxtor and Miniscribe, and I think Maxtor used to have some information on their website. All I can find now, though, is a line in their glossary. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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just outta curiosity

by Demon02554＠aol.com

> I thought we were all kids here :-). Just that our toys are a little more complicated than average.... too true my friend....too true...but i suppose i should have asked minors....heh Robert Cobbins

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pdp8e powersupply / Filter capacitors

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

Does anyone know if replacements are avaliable for the filter capacitors on the mains section of the PDP 8/E power supply ? I've got 3 supplies, and all of them trip the ground fault protection switch when switched on.... Jos Dreesen

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Address needed (Z80 Starter kit Docs)?

by ncherry＠home.net

Would the kind soul who sent me the docs please directly email with your address? I think I know who it is but since I have things (life) in such a mess I want to make sure. Thanks -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only) http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)

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HP 9000 520

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 7, Joe wrote: > > For those of us who care about the quality of what we put on our > >desktops (and in our computer rooms), this is pretty frightening. > > Yeap, you'd better grab the older "good" stuff while you can. What about the NEWER "good" stuff? It seems that Bill Gates has the world convinced that PeeCees are the only computers that are currently produced, and that everything else is discontinued. It's gotten to the point where, on current (or relatively recent) hardware, the questions I hear from people speak of them in the past tense..."what os DID they run?" or "what WAS their list price?"...even for machines whihch are being sold brand-new today, but just aren't crappy "more MEGAHURTS!" Intel toys. -Dave McGuire

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Charging Laptop (and other)batteries

by lgwalker＠look.ca

This is likely elementary but many times I run across the encased laptop and other function(eg cordless drills) batteries. Of course each has it's own proprietory charger which have long since disappeared and are costly to replace as well as being device and company specific . Many of them have a 3rd terminal. What was it's purpose. Can you recharge these batteries simply by rigging up an interface using appropriate voltages and polarity ? How would you deal with the 3rd terminal ? larry Reply to: lgwalker(a)look.ca

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New Finds

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

Just got home with a nice load. Saved it all from the dumpster. VAX 11/750 RA81 - TU80 VAXstation 4000 VLC (2) VAXstation 2000 (2) old Compaq luggables (2) storage works box's (2) Control Data Cyber 910's various DEC/Apple keyboards monitors etc.. box's DEC cables more All for $120 Any good sites for the CDC box's. I guess they are repackaged SGI? Brian.

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Univac?

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Does anyone know what a Univac 8303 is? It's dates from around 1978. Joe

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just outta curiosity

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 7, 23:13, Demon02554(a)aol.com wrote: > definition of "kid" = under age 18 Wrong definition, I suspect :-) Especially if you ask my wife! Probably even more so if you ask some of my work colleagues about my collection. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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New Finds

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 8, 5:12, Mark Green wrote: [ re SGI/CDC Cyber 910 keyboards] > The cables for the keyboard are PC keyboard cables, except they > need males connectors on both ends. It would be more accurate to say they're LIKE PS/2 keyboard cables, except they need a male (6-pin miniDIN) connector both ends, AND they need all 6 pins wired up. PS/2 only uses 4 wires (pins 2 and 6 are unused), and so PC 6-pin miniDIN cables are not fully wired. Mac cables probably are. > They won't boot without > a keyboard, stop part way through the initial hardware check in > the boot prom. I was going to say that Indigos boot fine without a keyboard, using the first serial port as console -- but in fact you have to change the PROM settings (setenv console d, or setenv nogfxkbd 1) to do that, for which you (initially) need a keyboard and monitor :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

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EDS (was RE: HP 9000 520)

by kfergaso＠swbell.net

I won't relate my EDS horror stories (same song, second verse...), but Ross Perot left in 1984-85, long before the presidential run. Hi Chris Kennedy, you wrote on 4/7/01 10:59:05 AM: >Jeff Hellige wrote: > >On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote: > >> Just wait until ES/NMCI starts taking over the federal >> government computers and networks. Then anything that isn't supplied >> by them and isn't running Win2000 will be considered 'legacy' and >> basically unsupported. > >What is ES/NMCI? > > EDS (my mistype) is Ross Perot's company and they now have a >signed contract with the Dept. of Navy to take over the LANs > >[Accurate representation of how delightful it is to work with EDS, > snipped]

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HP 9000 520

by kfergaso＠swbell.net

Hi Joe, you wrote on 4/7/01 9:20:28 AM: >Curt, > > First, are we talking about the same machine? I'm talking about the HP >9000 520. Aka 9020. It's a large desktop machine with a built in keyboard >and monitor. It looks like a grossly oversized Commodore 64. I think the K >520 is an entirely different machine. > Curious. The 520 we had was more like a large deskside system. No video, though probably one was offered. Definately no built in monitor. We used the standard HP terminals as consoles. I never saw it referenced as a 9020. we also had a 540, but I don't know what the differences were. But they were really cool UNIX boxes. You could hear your data on the 404Mb drive being read and written. And they were built like tanks. Kelly

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just outta curiosity

by Demon02554＠aol.com

definition of "kid" = under age 18

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OT: load carrying capabilities of lumber/steel

by vaxman＠qwest.net

I am looking for an online reference to help me calculate how much live load (AKA VAXen) I can put on my living room floor. The floor: 2x10's 2 foot on center, approximately 14 foot span (guess, too lazy to measure just yet). 3/4" OSB on top, carpet, 1/2" OSB (to keep the VAX from squishing into the carpet)... The VAX: 1100 lbs of true blue & white BIG IRON! minus whatever I remove for hand transport. Me: 300 lbs of Coca-Cola and Hostess fruit pies :) Clint PS I also want to replace a smallish steel IBeam with a micro-lam, so steel numbers would help too...

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TI59 Annotations aviable (For hardware diagrams)

by sipke＠wxs.nl

Hi Folks ( This info was also posted on the ODDCALCS list) ------ An Update on the TI59/58 Information --------- I've completed a preliminary version of the annotation files for the TI59/58 Hardware Diagrams I've also dedicated part of my homesite for this topic. http://xgistor.ath.cx TI59 hardware page: Go Vintage Computers >> TI59 Programmable Calculator Hardware TI59 hardware files: Go Files >> Various Downloadable files >> TI59 Regards Sipke de Wal

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