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Tog and the interface (was: ID computer)

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> If you ever worked on a Xerox, where you had the copy/move/prop/... special > keys on the left hand side of your keyboard you'd know how easy handling can > be ... unlike todays interface, where you use the mouse for several thing, > here the little critter was only a pointing device, while you selected most > functions via keys (and your left hand). Heck yes, it's *way* better that what we've ended up with! I reckon things started going downhill when somebody dreamt up the menu bar - the original Star interface had a button bar across the top of the window where you could get at the few functions you couldn't provide by the left-hand keypad. None of this "hunt the menu option" rubbish you have to do now. IMHO the Star interface was, and still is, about as good as you're likely to get with the windows-icons-mouse paradigm. Look at the fuss Microsoft made about making the desktop more "document-centric" - that's what the Star desktop was all about in the first place! Something was lost when Apple implemented their own version of it, which Microsoft then copied. Al

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ADM = ?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

No, I was meaning why do they go for so much now.. They're certainly not rare or for that matter, reliable. Not to mention that I find them ugly, ugly, ugly! But that last part was opinion.. Still, if you need a terminal today, get like a wyse-55 or something. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Now whats going on with the list... I'm getting everything twice! Allison -----Original Message----- From: Bill Pechter <pechter(a)bg-tc-ppp1649.monmouth.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Wanted: iAPX-432 >> [i860] >> > > You also find them in a most X-terminals. In fact, I think >> > > every X-terminal that I have checked used them. >> > >> > Interesting-- so far, all of the Xterms I've seen use either MIPS >> > or Motorola chips. I have seen them in alot of telecom and >> > cellular equipment, though . . . >> >> An Xtermianl I have here uses a TI 34010 as the main processor. Yes, a >> graphics processor chip. The Xserver (a very old version, may even be >> X10...) is in a row of EPROMs on a daughterboard that plugs into video board. >> >> There's also an 80188, but that's just used for I/O as far as I can see. >> >> -tony > >IBM used something similar in their low end Xterminals. >I think they upgraded to faster CPU's in the higher end 150 models. >The 110 (iirc) and 130(iirc) were pretty slow. > >I've got a Dec VT1200 here and it seems pretty good for a mono >Xterminal. > >Bill >--- > Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a > villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller > bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org

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DEC Rainbow Saved

by ssietz＠iname.com

If anyone is looking for an old DEC Rainbow 100 (CPU, monitor, keyboard, modem) with software and documentation, please contact me at: ssietz(a)iname.com

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Thu, 24 May 2001 15:33:08 -0400 joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> writes: > >I remember that there were ISA boards with multiple i860's > >offered back then; the idea was to have lots of number-crunching > >power in a PC back then. However, I never saw similar > >products based on i960. I believe that the i860 was geared > >more towards float processing/embedded control/multi user OS/ > >parallel processing architectures and the i960 was strictly for > >embedded control, with emphasis on integer performance. > >You'll find i960's in many HP laser printers. > > > You also find them in a most X-terminals. In fact, I think > every X-terminal that I have checked used them. Interesting-- so far, all of the Xterms I've seen use either MIPS or Motorola chips. I have seen them in alot of telecom and cellular equipment, though . . . ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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The MESA processor architecture

by aek＠spies.com

"Yes, all of the Xerox Workstations from the Alto on use a Mesa processor, A little like a Nova but with Writable Control Store (WCS)." Completely false. One of the Alto instruction sets was an extended Nova. The MESA machine is more like an HP3000 than a Nova. It is defined in the MESA "Princeops" manual. Alan Freier had this on line at one point, not sure if anyone saved a copy.

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by norm.anheier＠pnl.gov

Anyone have an Intel iAPX-432 processor chip that they are willing to part with? If so, I would be grateful if you would reply. Thanks Norm Anheier norm.anheier(a)pnl.gov

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ADM = ?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Well the manual certainly never says what ADM stands for, I can tell you that... As for rarity, I know where there is an ADM-3 or 3A or perhaps another model right now. It's sitting around at a customer, collecting dust. Now give me a Hazeltine 1500, and I'm interested : ) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Some history : DEC VT-180 (Robin), IBM PC (Worm), Apple...

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi all. Anybody ever heard about this? I found it amusing... I was told by a longtime local DEC employee that DEC came out with the ROBIN (VT-180) to compete with IBM PC and Apple II. He (and other DEC employees) were told this by DEC top management: "The system we wanna target is the Apple II and IBM is coming out with a new computer (IBM PC) code named WORM because it will eat up the Apple. Well, we are coming out with the computer named ROBIN (VT-180) beacause its gonna eat the WORM that ate the Apple...IBM is a 16 bit machine with almost no software running MSDOS, we will be running Z80 CP/M with thousands of available programs" Hmmm....Now I know where the name Robin came from... BTW if anyone need this, I have the full schematics for the robin somewhere around here... Claude http://computer_collector.tripod.com

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ADM = ?

by vcf＠siconic.com

What does the ADM as in ADM-3A terminal stand for? Anyone? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Xerox daybreak disk formatting question -- looong shot

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Thu, 24 May 2001 10:36:20 -0700 (PDT) "Peter C. Wallace" <pcw(a)mesanet.com> writes: > >Great - and Thanks! I will try it this evening! > > > > Good luck! > > Al > > > > PS mesanet.com? Anything to do with the Mesa language? > > > > > No just our company name... though who knows, maybe I was influenced > by the Mesa Users Guide on my bookshelf when I made up the name (15 > years ago) Wasn't it also the name of the processor chip used in the Daybreak? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Listserver Auction, was Re: Canon Cat

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 23 May 2001 08:39:09 -0700 Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> writes: > > >I, for one, think it is a great idea and have no problems at all > > >with it! Among other things, it does away with the luck of being > > >the first person to read a post and get the item. Also, it keeps > > >the item in this community which is most likely a good thing. > > > > I'm very annoyed indeed by spome idiot posting an ever-growing > > message consisting of one "Now it's up at a hundra bucks" line and 300 > > line sof quoted material (below the addition, mind you!). Several > > times a day. > > Instead of just complaining, offer a reasonable alternative!!!!! I > have no problems with it since it keeps everyone informed about > where the current bid is. That's fer sure! At least here, we're bidding amongst friends; auctions are kinda silly for (relatively) common or inexpensive items, but I think it's a good way for truly unique items to be sold: The seller gets a good price and because we as a community have a better feel for its true value (than your average weenie), the high bid *shouldn't* go out of sight. Besides, it's a *real* auction; not the sniper-ridden travesties that regularly occour on E-PAy. I'm still smarting from the first time I got sniped (and that was over two years ago). Just my $0.02 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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ADM = ?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 24, Will Jennings wrote: > I still prefer what my dad calls it: A Dumb Machine. I don't see why people > pay so much for those things, they're not even very good terminals. Primarily because of their historical significance, I would imagine. -Dave McGuire

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 23, Eric Dittman wrote: > > > all the delays. I could be completely off, but didn't some > > > of the processor features get implemented in the i860? > > > > Yes. Was slow too ;-) > > The i860 did find success as an embedded controller, though. Still does, too. > I never did look at the i960 features; was it an improved > i860 or was it a completely new processor? Completely new processor.. -Dave McGuire

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Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!

by hahaha＠sexyfun.net

Today, Snowhite was turning 18. The 7 Dwarfs always where very educated and polite with Snowhite. When they go out work at mornign, they promissed a *huge* surprise. Snowhite was anxious. Suddlently, the door open, and the Seven Dwarfs enter...

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Anybody need any M/A-COM ALANTHUS DATA, Inc. distribution disk?

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I went scrounging again this morning and found a box of 9 - 8" floppy disks. The disks are original distribution disks for M/A-COM Standard Software 9.1, IWS Initialization, Software Developement and CTOS build. Does anyone need them? If so you can have them for shipping cost AND 1) $10 (my cost) or 2) just return them when yuou're finished with them or 3) replace them with new disks. All of the disks are in like new condition. I don't know what M/A-COM ALANTHUS DATA, Inc. is but 8 of the disks are in sleeves that are marked "Savin IS 2000" if that means anything. joe

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ADM = ?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

I still prefer what my dad calls it: A Dumb Machine. I don't see why people pay so much for those things, they're not even very good terminals. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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ID this board: M7165

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Thu, 24 May 2001 10:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> writes: > It's for controlling drives like the RA81 and RA92. > > g. Yeah, it's SDI, according to the field guide. Dammit. > > On Thu, 24 May 2001, John Allain wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > This guy is auctioning a: > > Vax QBUS KDA50 Disk Ctl (M7165) > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1240600239 > > > > What sort of interface is this? It almost looks SMD. > > Guess it isn't, also rule out SCSI and MFM, by appearances. > > > > Standard disflamer: This is Not my auction. > > John A. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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IBM 5161

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

One of these was in the middle of a big bunch of junk at the shop. Looks like it's got two 5 MB hard drives inside. A large-diameter cable is attached; evidently this connects to the "receiver" card in a PC. This may be distasteful, but I'm thinking of putting it on Ebay. Has anyone ever seen one of these sell before? If so, for how much??? Thanks. Glen 0/0

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I stand corrected as I was working from faded memory. I knew I was in the right eria ;>

by brian.roth＠firstniagarabank.com

I stand corrected as I was working from faded memory. I knew I was in the right eria ;> Travesty all the same. Brian. ______________________________________________ -- brian roth <brian.roth(a)firstniagarabank.com> wrote: > Next time you take a cruise, ask the captain what country the ship is > registered in. Most likely it will be Nigeria. I thought the favored nation for cruise lines was Liberia (for its liberal inspection requirements, among other things). They do mention in the fine print on TV ads the registry of the ship. -ethan Brian Roth Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com

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Xerox daybreak disk formatting question -- looong shot

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

Whoa, 3 posts in one day, what's happenig to me :-) > I have a couple of daybreak machines with failing hard drives. I have the > 6085 offline diagnostic disk (2.0) which will format drives, but to do > formatting you need the system admin or tech support password. Does anyone > here happen to know one of these passwords? help! Yup - type "911" at the first menu prompt - after that you should get a lengthy message about how you shouldn't mess with commands if you don't know what you're doing (ie "call Xerox and we'll bill the s**t out of you for a 5 minute job")... Type "IAcceptTheRisk" at the second prompt (case doesn't actually matter, just did it for readability) and you should be in to the command prompt. A "?" shows you the options... Good luck! Al PS mesanet.com? Anything to do with the Mesa language?

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OT - Nigerian Pigeon Drop Scam

by brian.roth＠firstniagarabank.com

Next time you take a cruise, ask the captain what country the ship is registered in. Most likely it will be Nigeria. Its how these cruise lines get around the enviromental laws. Most if not all discharge their gray water(showers, laundry, kitchen waste) and black water(you guessed it!) untreated right into the sea. I wonder how many people would book a cruise knowing that their human waste would be blasted into the ocean by the ships macerator's. Brian. "Merle K. Peirce" wrote: It's also quite surprising how many Nigerians come here to run insurance scams, staging accidents, etc. Brian Roth Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com

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Kbd UIs (was Re: ID computer

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, wanted to add my ($/50) to this debate. In any discussion of what's the best UI, you have to be pretty careful to completely define your metric. It may include not only what you are doing, but also the time it takes you to learn (or teach someone else) how to do it, or other factors. Examples: 1) I've watched a vi wizard at work. He's *blindingly* fast accomplishing tasks (rewriting code, re-compiling, etc). I have extreme doubts that I could ever approach his speed with a CLI/vi interface. *But* I can already get close with a mouse text editor. With enough practice, maybe I could get close with vi or emacs. But I don't want to practice that much. 2) I do a fair amount of work on remote boxes. Some are far enough across the internet that xterm isn't practical, or I have to work over a modem line. Telnet and a CLI are absolutely indispensable to me in those situations (and MICROS~1 Windows would be absolutely impossible to use). 3) I use some graphics/drawing programs. I can imagine trying to use them with no mouse - but I recoil in horror at the thought. My bottom line: both interfaces is the way to go. I can learn easily to do things pretty fast with a mouse, and for tasks I don't do that often, that's usually what I want. I can do things on a remote machine better with a CLI, and sometimes that's what I want. Both have their place. - Mark

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i860 pictures

by ip500＠home.com

Cruising eBay I came across this auction for a bunch of i860 boards and rack ...pulled from an Intel Paragon ..seems a shame to pull it to pieces rather than keep in intact [but it shre ships easier that way!] I HAVE NO CONNECTION with this auction ... just been following the thread and thought I'd mention it. Craig

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IBM 5161

by Glenatacme＠aol.com

Mr. Ismail: Thank you for your prompt and kind reply. Please see my embedded comments below. In a message dated 5/24/01 2:58:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: << I know what it is and what it does, So do I. A usenet search and a look at "Upgrading and Repairing PCs," first edition, produced this information. << and about how common it is. This I'm unsure of. << And I have one. Glad to hear it. << If you want any more specifics from me then I want 10% of whatever it << goes for on eBay. This is certainly a reasonable offer, *if* these specifics will add 10% to the sale price, and, since you seem so confident, you should have no problem forwarding this information to me so that I may determine the value of said information before agreeing to your terms. Please understand that I'm not a shameless money-grubber; I have never sold any computer equipment on Ebay before. I have been scratching my head for six months, trying to figure out what to do with this item other than just tossing it into the dumpster. Now I am in a position where I would like to sell it in order to obtain other classic computer items. Your recent comments suggest that you are not in favor of auctions being conducted on this list, so Ebay seemed to be my best venue for *converting* this unit into items I want, need, and will use. If you found my inquiry offensive, perhaps you can tell me what other group would be more informed about the current $$ value of classic computer items than the members of this list. Regards, Glen Goodwin 0/0

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tape drives

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Tape trivia/comments It seems that the way to make a really accurate tape drive, such as those used for telemetry is to have two independently controlled capstans with sensors attached to each. The "old" vacuum column tape drives were really interesting to watch as the level of the tape oscillated up and down in the column. There are some technologies used with the Omnimax movie format that might be applicable to magnetic data storage. They place timing marks along the edge of the film to allow the system to detect and correct the speed of the film. The also can digitally encode the sound along the edge of the film, there are however separate attempts to coordinate sound on a CD with the film. I read an article about how CD's are cut out from a optical tape media which has lowered the cost of manufacture. It might be neat to make a storage media that was optical tape 3 inches wide. On a slightly different topic, there were early attempts to make video tape recorders that were not helical but used 256 parallel tracks each with a separate head. You could fastforward 1 minute by switching heads. Tape handling was much simpler that with helical. There was lots of tape wear because of the number of tape passes. The heads were also expensive. I have also heard that the 4mm DAT tapes are good for about 100 tape passes, this would seem to mean that weekly backups and verifies might destroy a tape. I know that the tolerance levels are not very good, it seems to be difficult to restore on a drive different than the one that was used to create the tape. Tape standards seems to be much more vague. I remember 800 bpi 9-Track tapes very fondly. I still have several. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Listserver Auction, was Re: Canon Cat

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 23 May 2001 10:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> writes: > The seller is a Goodwill picker; a middle-man; at best an > opportunist; at worst a scoundrel. He's selling direct from a > Goodwill shelf in a store somewhere, to you. > > I think this aspect is important to consider in this case. You're looking at the glass as half empty. There are at least three major aspects which you have *not* considered: 1. He came to us, first. 2. Once he found out it was valuable, he didn't take it to E-Bay. 3. Everyone on this list had a fair shot at it. Opportunist? Maybe-- he got lucky and wanted to ca$h in. Good for him. Is that such a crime? If you had a way to sell 'lucky breaks', you'd have folks beating a path to your door. Scoundrel? Only if he misrepresents himself or the merchandise; on this forum, it is best to give him the benefit of the doubt. Alot more than $0.02 but I think it needed saying . . . ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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OT - Nigerian Pigeon Drop Scam

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 23 May 2001 07:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> writes: > Nigeria is like the scam capital of the world. I have no idea why. > Lax laws? Government complicity? A weakened sense of morals? :) Try All of the Above. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Ha Ha Virus is back

by elecdata＠kcinter.net

Evening folks, I just received this evening and it was sent at 7:56pm the Ha Ha Virus is back! I received it from the list this is the heading: Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 22:56:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Hahaha <hahaha(a)sexyfun.net> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: undisclosed-recipients: Bill Claussen elecdata1

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ID computer

by halarewich＠look.ca

at the local salvation army today came across a computer/wordprosser unit made by Cannon called the Cannon Cat any info on this would be most grateful Chris -- # Netscape POP3 State File # This is a generated file! Do not edit.

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OT electron microscope rescue Fwd: TEM-used Philips 301

by jfoust＠threedee.com

>Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:24:10 -0400 >From: Debbie Lietz <dlietz(a)trentu.ca> >Subject: TEM-used Philips 301 >X-Sender: dlietz(a)mail.trentu.ca >To: Microscopy(a)sparc5.microscopy.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >The Microscopy ListServer -- Sponsor: The Microscopy Society of America To Subscribe/Unsubscribe -- Send Email to ListServer(a)MSA.Microscopy.Com >On-Line Help http://www.msa.microscopy.com/MicroscopyListserver/FAQ.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------. > > >I have a Philips 301 microscope that needs a new home. It is in good running condition. There are a lot of spare parts and consumables to go along with the microscope. The mercury pump has been removed. The microscope is presently up and running but will soon need to be dismantled to free up the room for another microscope. If interested please email me directly. >Dismantling and shipping will be at the new owner's expense. > >Debbie Lietz >Electron Microscopy Technologist >Biology Department, Trent University >1600 Westbank Drive >Peterborough, Ontario >K9J 7B8 > >Tel: (705)748-1011 ext.1486 *** Fax: (705) 748-1205 ***Email: dlietz(a)trentu.ca

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What's in a No Name Computer?

by epgroot＠ucdavis.edu

Anyone know about the No Name Computers (NNC) company? I picked up a 20-slot S-100 mainframe model NNC 100 the other day and I'm not too sure what to make of it since my only S-100 experience is a Heath/Zenith Z-100. Did NNC market computer systems, or just the box of slots? The box has some boards, which were not seated in the slots. From lowest to highest slot number they are: CompuPro INTERFACER 4 CompuPro CPU 8085/88 CompuPro SYSTEM SUPPORT 1 CompuPro RAM20 CompuPro RAM20 CompuPro DISK 1 with 'BOOT CD/M.B' ROM I assume this machine has enough intelligence to boot a floppy, so a bootstrap doesn't have to be keyed in. Do you think it has enough intelligence to differentiate SS/DS and SD/DD drives? I also picked up some 8" floppies, but none of them say No Name Computers! The various labels are: Big Board CP/M, WordStar, SuperCalc, Typing Tutor, Easy Flow, SpellGuard, Vedit, SpellStar, ARC, dBaseII, DataStar, Rainbow BASIC, Rainbow Pascal, Cromemco CDOS, X-8, Turbo Pascal, SIG-M BigBoard, and Mix C. Do any of these seem likely candidates to boot this computer? Any help would be much appreciated! Edwin

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four-phase systems

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

hi, i noticed a message concering four-phase systems equipment. i have been looking for four phase cpu's to complete a system that i am trying to restore. could the person please e-mail me back my address is n8uhn(a)yahoo.com. the photo links do not work as they moved the page but i would still like to see them. thankx,Bill (n8uhn(a)yahoo.com) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 23, Carlos Murillo wrote: > I remember that there were ISA boards with multiple i860's > offered back then; the idea was to have lots of number-crunching > power in a PC back then. However, I never saw similar The MicroWay NumberSmasher/860 comes to mind. Impressive specs, even by today's standards. I'd love to get my paws on one or more of those. > products based on i960. I believe that the i860 was geared > more towards float processing/embedded control/multi user OS/ > parallel processing architectures and the i960 was strictly for > embedded control, with emphasis on integer performance. > You'll find i960's in many HP laser printers. And many non-HP printers as well. The '960 is also well-suited for non-embedded applications. -Dave McGuire

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IBM 5161

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/23/01 11:26:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Glenatacme(a)aol.com writes: << One of these was in the middle of a big bunch of junk at the shop. Looks like it's got two 5 MB hard drives inside. A large-diameter cable is attached; evidently this connects to the "receiver" card in a PC. This may be distasteful, but I'm thinking of putting it on Ebay. Has anyone ever seen one of these sell before? If so, for how much??? >> that must be one of those famous expansion cabinets. Ive been looking for one myself; I have some parts and cable, but do not have the entire thing. -- DB Young Team OS/2 old computers, hot rod pinto and more at: www.nothingtodo.org

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Goodwill, Auctions via Listserv, etc...

by mbbrutman＠bresnanlink.net

I've been lurking, but I pipe up once in a while about the smaller iron (like PCjrs). I generally withhold my opinion to avoid wasting bandwidth, but I feel strongly enough about this to want to say something. Spotting something in a secondhand store, asking for help here because you don't know if it is a toaster or a computer, and then using a this listserv to auction it off is in poor taste. This wasn't a "Hey, I found a PCjr to PC keyboard adapter, does anybody need one" kind of question. Somebody made the argument that given the rarity of the item, it is appropriate to auction it. Fine. Auction it on E-Pay, and use their bandwidth and resources. Oh, by the way, it's usually good form to OWN the item you are auctioning. Post a notice here that the item is going up on Ebay if it truly is that interesting. This isn't a "keep it in the family/community" deal, it was more along the lines of "Can I make a buck, and how hard can I squeeze?" My vote for the person who should own it is Louis - he was passionate about it. That's a sign of a good home. ;-) To those of you who entered the bidding; I hope the seller's ethics raised some flags in your heads before you made your bids. I would not buy under these circumstances. Mike

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WARNING. You sent a potential virus or unauthorised code

by support＠star.co.uk

The MessageLabs Virus Control Centre discovered a possible virus or unauthorised code (such as a joke program or trojan) in an email sent by you. Please read this whole email carefully. It explains what has happened to your email, which suspected virus has been caught, and what to do if you need help. ------------------------------------------------------------ Some details about the infected message ------------------------------------------------------------ To help identify the email: The message sender was owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org hahaha(a)sexyfun.net classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (if this is not your email address, the message sender possibly belongs to a mailing list to which you both subscribe.) The message was titled 'Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!' The message date was Wed, 23 May 2001 22:56:22 -0400 (EDT) The message identifier was <200105240256.WAA18096(a)granger.mail.mindspring.net> The message recipients were Lee.Davison(a)merlincommunications.com To help identify the virus: Scanner 1 (NAI Virus Scan) reported the following: /var/qmail/queue/split/0/669143_2MA-OCTET-STREAM_dwarf4you.exe Found the W32/Hybris.gen@MM virus !!! The message was diverted into the virus holding pen on mail server server-4.tower-17.messagelabs.com (id 669143_990673677) and will be held for 30 days before being destroyed. ------------------------------------------------------------ What should you do now? ------------------------------------------------------------ If you sent the email from a corporate network, you should first contact your local Helpdesk or System Administrator for advice. They will be able to help you disinfect your workstation. If you sent the email from a personal or home account, you will need to disinfect your computer yourself. To do this you will need an anti-virus program. We suggest using one of the leading industry anti-virus packages such as McAfee, F-Secure or Cybersoft, which cost £15-£30 per copy. ------------------------------------------------------------ Getting more help ------------------------------------------------------------ If you believe this message to be a false alarm or you require further assistance, you can email Star Internet Support at:- support(a)star.net.uk or contact Star Helpdesk by telephone on:- +44 (0) 1285 884433 Please quote the following Virus Pen ID when contacting Support. <<< mail server server-4.tower-17.messagelabs.com (id 669143_990673677) >>> If replying by email, please forward this entire email. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp

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OT - Nigerian Pigeon Drop Scam

by foo＠siconic.com

I actually know of a guy that FELL for this scam! (not personally, but through my tax accountant ;) --- Tony Eros <tony.eros(a)machm.org> wrote: > Gee, I feel like I've finally arrived. This evening, I received the > infamous Nigerian megabucks scam email (see below) > > Hey, this is a pretty infamous scam -- maybe I can sell this "Rare, > collectable confidence scheme email" on eBay! :-) I've gotten multiple copies via snail mail. :-P Maybe _those_ are "L@@K RARE!"

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Fw: Listserver Auction, was Re: Canon Cat

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Hey!!! Cut the damm RTF formatting, I'm tiring of OE jumpin to the stinking 16pt font. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Marvin .org><marvin@rain To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:09 AM Subject: Listserver Auction, was Re: Canon Cat > > >Sellam Ismail wrote: >> >> On Tue, 22 May 2001, ip500 wrote: >> >> > And this is BETTER than eBay ??? How is it that this just sort >> > of slides by and yet if you DARE to stick an eBay pointer up you get >> >> If you didn't catch the irony of my message, I find this "auction" to be >> so absurd that I am just laughing at it. > >I, for one, think it is a great idea and have no problems at all with it! >Among other things, it does away with the luck of being the first person to >read a post and get the item. Also, it keeps the item in this community >which is most likely a good thing. > >Another approach is to use the pre-approved bidder list on Ebay, and only >approve people on this list to bid. From my standpoint, that might penalize >the lurkers since *I* would only recognize the people that have posted in >the past. OTOH, it might encourage people to post once in a while :).

25 years, 3 months

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Austin Texas UT Auction

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Whoa! Dude! Now all you need is a 440v 3-phase power and you'll be all set to go! Holy mackerel. . . . On Wed, 23 May 2001 17:25:53 -0500 (CDT) "Jeffrey S. Sharp" <jss(a)ou.edu> writes: > Quoting Reuben Reyes <reyes(a)orion.ae.utexas.edu>: > > University of Texas at Austin will have an auction > > ... May 23, 2001 > > > > Vax 8600 ( vax bar? ) > > I have *WON* the VAX lot! I'll be taking a Ryder to Austin ASAP to > load it all up. > > -- > Jeffrey S. Sharp > jss(a)ou.edu ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Listserver Auction, was Re: Canon Cat

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 23 May 2001 15:50:02 -0400 ip500 <ip500(a)home.com> writes: > At the risk of being tedious: You didn't get "sniped" ... > someone just bid more than you thought it was worth! With the > proxy bid system.. > IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to get sniped unless they will pay more than > your MAXIMUM allowable bid price .. ie: They just wanted it > more than you did. Hah, what a bunch of bologna. At the time, I'd a bid more; this particular asswipe waited until the final 10 seconds to place his first (and only) bid-- leaving me with no time to post another bid. Had I know he was out there, I'd a done things a little differently. SInce then, I've learned to be an asswipe on e-bay. It's only way you're going to get anything there. I don't post *any* bids until the last 5 seconds or so. There is no such thing as civility or fair play there-- Only winners and losers: You have to be an asswipe if you wanna win. An auction conducted on this list (or at least started here) would be more in keeping with the ideas of civility *and* fair play. More than $0.02 but what the heck . . . ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

25 years, 3 months

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Xerox daybreak disk formatting question -- looong shot

by pcw＠mesanet.com

I have a couple of daybreak machines with failing hard drives. I have the 6085 offline diagnostic disk (2.0) which will format drives, but to do formatting you need the system admin or tech support password. Does anyone here happen to know one of these passwords? help! Thanks! Peter Wallace

25 years, 3 months

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Any interest in a HP 3000/960?

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

>An HP 3000/960 is a *BIG* computer. probably 4' tall, 6' long >and 3' deep (possibly larger) ... *not counting* the disk drives! >Probably introduced around 1988 (roughly). Maybe, I'll get it. It'll make a fine wet bar! Just kidding. I wouldn't mind having it but, Louisania is too far. Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

25 years, 3 months

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Canon Cat

by halarewich＠look.ca

hi I have a bid of $70 us + shipping any others I will keep the bidding open until Sunday at 7pm pacific time thanx chris keep the bids comming Chris hi If there is a enough interest in this Computer I will do a mini auction on this list no ebay if you guys are interested it comes with the compter/monitor the originalcannon printer and a video tape on how to run it and takers I live in Castlegar bc Canada all offers will be accepted in us dollars+ shipping Chris Chandra Bajpai wrote: > Sounds good...let me know. > -Chandra > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Halarewich [mailto:halarewich@look.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:58 PM > To: Chandra Bajpai > Subject: Re: Canon Cat > > As far as I know yes when I was at the salvation army all I could do was > turn the main computer on type on the screen that still worked but the > printer was becide it and not hooked up so that part I am not sure of > chris > > Chandra Bajpai wrote: > > > Chris - I'll offer you $70...is it still working? > > > > -Chandra > > -- > # Netscape POP3 State File > # This is a generated file! Do not edit. -- # Netscape POP3 State File # This is a generated file! Do not edit.

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Cat auction

by halarewich＠look.ca

Hi Sorry about this I will take it of of the classic list right now and onl email who is interested in it Chris -- # Netscape POP3 State File # This is a generated file! Do not edit.

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Any interest in a HP 3000/960?

by ss＠allegro.com

Seen in comp.sys.hp.mpe: An HP 3000/960 is a *BIG* computer. probably 4' tall, 6' long and 3' deep (possibly larger) ... *not counting* the disk drives! Probably introduced around 1988 (roughly). It runs MPE/iX, and will not run any kind of Linux. (Nor is it worth trying to modify the Puffingroup PA-RISC version.) No...I don't know where it's located! ----------- forwarded message From: Robert.Schlosser(a)OCHSNER-HMO.COM Does anyone have any interest in a HP960 [HP 3000/960] and its disks? Some are HPIB and some are SCSI. It was taken out of service in September of 2000 and all was working. Will consider letting it go for the shipping. Please reply to me directly off the list. Thanks Bob Schlosser Ochsner Health Plan (504) 219-8134 ------- End of forwarded message ------- Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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Old chips for new project.

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: rhudson(a)cnonline.net <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> >Are any of the 8 bit processors still available? I would like to scratch build >a z80 or 6502 or somthing board to hook up to my Yes, you should not have much difficulty finding Z80, 8085, 6800 and 6502 (JDR catalog). >vt220 (ob classic??) Yes. >I have **no** hardware experince (well I can solder, but beyond that...) > >Hints?? Learn. ;) Get a few books and read anything and everything. Consider a kit or maybe a PIC. Allison

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VAX Equipment

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

David, If nobody steps up to the plate I'd pick them up. I work in Hudson NH so I'm maybe 20 minutes down the road. We could meet. Allison ------Original Message------ From: "David Betz" <dbetz(a)vmlabs.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent: May 23, 2001 4:49:32 PM GMT Subject: VAX Equipment I would like to find a good home for the following equipment. I'm not interested in making money off of this equipment but I don't want to have to pack it for shipping either. I would like someone to come by and pick it up or arrange for a place to meet somewhere near where I live. I'm in southern New Hampshire near Manchester. 1. VAXStation II/GPX (VS21W-K2) 2. VAXStation 2000 (VS410-AA) 3. External Hard Drive (RZ55-AA) 4. External Tape Drive (TK50Z-GA) Anyone interested in this stuff?

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VAX Equipment

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/23/01 12:47:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dbetz(a)vmlabs.com writes: > I would like to find a good home for the following equipment. I'm not > interested in making money off of this equipment but I don't want to have to > pack it for shipping either. I would like someone to come by and pick it up > or arrange for a place to meet somewhere near where I live. I'm in southern > New Hampshire near Manchester. > > 1. VAXStation II/GPX (VS21W-K2) > > 2. VAXStation 2000 (VS410-AA) > > 3. External Hard Drive (RZ55-AA) > > 4. External Tape Drive (TK50Z-GA) > > Anyone interested in this stuff? > Me Absolutely! Just let me know! I have been looking for a bigger VAX for months and couldn't seem to find any in the US on the east coast that I could get to. I'll give 'em a nice home right next to my VS3100m38 :-) BTW, just out of curiosity, what OS are they currently running? -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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Exidy Sorcerer

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

Besides, the UK doesn't seem all that well off according to what I've read. UK ground is not the same as continental earth. I think it's got to do with the lines being earthed at the station, whereas the continental earth lead goes to UK mains earth is bonded to the neutral and to the earth spike at the local transformer. It should also be bonded to earth at the property and, if the run from the tramsformer to the property is a long one, it will have more earth points along the way (PME - protective multiple earth). A bit safer than a rod in the ground here and one way over there. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp

25 years, 3 months

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Wed, 23 May 2001 08:23:36 -0400 "Jonathan Engdahl" <engdahl(a)cle.ab.com> writes: > I didn't realize that they had ever shipped the chip. I have a set of > manuals, probably early. There seemed to be a lot of holes in the > architecture -- things that weren't explained, or perhaps had not > yet been figured out. I wanted to get my hands on one a long time ago, > but they dropped it before I ever saw the possibility of geting a chip. > I never did figure out how they implemented their garbage collection. ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ Well that certainly explains why the chip never saw the light of day; Bill G. must have stomped all over this one. Porting Windows to it would have proved impossible, since pretty much the entire Windows system is 'garbage'. :^> Sorry guys, couldn't resist . . . Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

25 years, 3 months

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HP 300

by optimus＠canit.se

This week had a fine start. I walked into a little computer shop which has trays of old ISA cards and sometimes odd equipment which I can buy cheaply. This monday, they had a slightly familiar-looking box on top of a large shipment of PCs. A HP 9000/300! When I asked them what it would cost, they were surprised that they could even charge money for it, and let me have it for 50 crowns. My pleasure. Once I had bought it, though, I though that 9000/300 was a suspiciously low number. Wasn't that some kind of 68010 based machine? And why would such a machine have two Ethernet NICs? It really semed like a waste, but on the underground ride how, I pulled out the big board with all the ports, which seemed notably shinier and newer than the NIC above, and found that it had a 68040. I thus deducted that it must be a 9000/380. Has this machine been upgraded, or did HP simply not bother to identify their machines any closer than the series (in this case 9000/300)? In any case, it came without keyboard, and I read that in order to switch it over to serial terminal mode, one would have to perform a certain manoeuvre via the keyboard. Bloody well thought out, HP! Is there no way to use a serial terminal without any HIL keyboard involved? The machine starts up and beeps a little. It's got not drives installed, but there's a 50-pin "Centronics" connector marked SCSI/FS-HPIB. What is FS-HPIB? Doesn't sound like anything I'd like to feed into my SCSI devices. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. A Spanish MSX Group "Matra" visited to this Fair. I lent Spanish stand to them. They showed and did Promotion play of SEX BOMB BUNNY. And this Game has tema song of Majingar-Z! Why they know Japanese TV animation? K. Ikeda, MSX-Print

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(OT) Acorn RiscPC 600

by mark_k＠iname.com

Hi, I picked up an Acorn RiscPC 600 base unit the other day, my first Archimedes- type Acorn machine. Anyway, I have a few questions. Perhaps someone can point me to a decent web site about the Acorn machines? - I'm assuming the RiscPC 600 uses an Archimedes-type mouse. This should not be a major problem, as a simple pin-to-pin adapter should allow a three- button Amiga mouse to be connected. - Can I use a PS/2 type PC keyboard, or is a custom Acorn keyboard needed? - Before powering it up, I want to remove the hard disk and create an image file of its contents. The CD-ROM drive needs to be removed in order to get to the hard disk. I can't see how to do that. Any ideas? -- Mark

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How many transistors in the 6502 processor?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> >The stack is truly a bummer, but there's software ways around that. As a return address stack it was adaquate. I like to pass parameters on the stack with 8080/z80 and even PDP-11 and the 6502 stack is not up to that. >FWIW, the later 65CE02 deals with both these issues. You can "move" zero page >anywhere in memory you want on the fly (so that you can pick a memory page >and optimize access to it), and the stack pointer is now 16-bit. The 65CE02's >most well-known usage was in its guise as the CSG 4510 in the mythical >Commodore 65 (see Yes but can you push parameters onto the stack prior to the call? Allison

25 years, 3 months

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More items for the collection

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Over the last few weeks it's been slow but I got few goodies that I an tell you about and some that I can't (not 10 years old yet). 1>Sharp PC-4600 laptop not able to test yet, need charger or new batteries for it. 2>Clear see-thru Milton Bradley SIMON 3>Sun Sparcstation 1+ 4>Epson Geneva PX-8 5>Telex 1174 Prodtype 1174-90R computer with a 079 Telex display terminal, and Telex KB. Not tested yet. 6>SEGA Genesis power base converter model 1620 7>Vintage IBM wiring programmer tool with collator programming manual That's it for now. Keep Computing

25 years, 3 months

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Free: SCO Open Desktop 1.0.0 on 5.25" disks

by rich＠lafferty.ca

Hi -- I'm cleaning out closets here, and I've come across a copy of SCO Open Desktop 1.0.0 (!) on 5.25" disks. I've no idea where it came from, but that's the case with a *lot* of the stuff in this closet. :-) Anyhow, if someone would find this interesting/useful, it's yours. I'd prefer you pay shipping, just so I'm not actually *losing* money on it. :-) It's a 9 x 9 x 6 1/2" box, weighs five lbs or so (75% manuals, 25% floppies, in three still-sealed floppy-boxes!). "System requirements: For 386 or 486 computers based on Industry Standard Architechture or Extended Industry Standard Architecture. Minimum requirements include: 6.0 MB of memory; 100 MB of disk space; EGA, VGA, Extended VGA, Herculese Monochrome, or selected high-performance adapter; Bus or serial mouse (recommended); and, 3C501, 3C503, 3C523 or WD8003E Network Card (optional)." It's never been used, so you get the license and activation keys as well. It's marked "FOR SHIPMENT WITHIN THE U.S. AND CANADA ONLY", so I can't guarantee you'll have a legal license if youre not there. Quickly reading over the blurb, it's got LAN Manager and MS-DOS support, X11, and an unknown DBMS includeed, and "unleashes the full power of 386 and 486 machines". Zowie! Anyhow, drop me a line if you want it. It'll go to the first person to offer to pay shipping, or, if no-one does, to the first person that's not too expensive to send to. :-) SKILL-TESTING QUESTION: I'm not on the list anymore -- please reply directly to me. (On the off chance the address above fails (brand new!), try <rich(a)alcor.concordia.ca>.) Cheers, -Rich

25 years, 3 months

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Austin Texas UT Auction

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

If ANYONE at all can go to that, I will worship you forever if you get that Stardent and the 8600 for me... I'll gladly reimburse you, possibly even a finders fee for your time.. gawd... Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

25 years, 3 months

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NeXTstation questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 22, Marion Bates wrote: > I don't see an ADB port on the unit itself, but the megapixel has > one. Does that mean that the computer _requires_ the megapixel display > in order to be useable at all? Or, in the absence of that monitor, can > it use one of the other ports (which one?) for a keyboard/mouse? Be careful here...Some NeXTs use ADB and some don't. And yes, you need the monitor. > What is the purpose of the "DSP" port? (Two triangles beside it, one > pointing up and one down, and the connector is 15-pin) The DSP port didn't have any set purpose. It's a high-speed synchronous port with a directt path to the machine's DSP chip. It's been used for many things including high-quality video and audio I/O and stuff like that. I've seen many home-brew lab experiments using that port also, both in personal applications as well as in laboratories. One popular application involved building an interface to connecting a glove-like input device (PowerGlove or something like that) to the DSP port and use it for virtual-reality-like experimentation. > Which port(s), if any, are LocalTalk-able? I see two mini-din serial > ports (labeled A and B) and one old-fasioned 9-pin connector with a > picture of a laserprinter. An "old-fashioned" 9-pin connector...I got a good chuckle out of that. ;) > Last thing -- what are the specs on these, or where can I find that > out? Those serial ports use the same pinouts as Macs and Sun IPC/IPX machines. -Dave McGuire

25 years, 3 months

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NeXTstation questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 22, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > NeXT monitors are neither expensive nor difficult to find. It's > >really not worth messing with. > > They certainly are heavy beasts though! I bet my color N4001 > weighs 70 pounds. One thing you have to watch out for is dimness > though. Very true on both points. Those big color tubes are painful to move. The mono tubes aren't too bad, though. -Dave McGuire

25 years, 3 months

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LANCE

by optimus＠canit.se

Where does one get an AMD LANCE ethernet controller nowadays? Preferably in a DIL (?) package. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. [E]xcept in the works of Gunnar Asplund, architect of the Stockholm Exhibition of 1930 and the Stockholm crematorium, Sweden has never contributed much to the revolutionary developments through which modern architecture made its initial impact on the world. J.M. Richards, Modern Architecture

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NeXTstation questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 23, Iggy Drougge wrote: > Dave McGuire skrev: > > >On May 22, Marion Bates wrote: > >> I don't see an ADB port on the unit itself, but the megapixel has > >> one. Does that mean that the computer _requires_ the megapixel display > >> in order to be useable at all? Or, in the absence of that monitor, can > >> it use one of the other ports (which one?) for a keyboard/mouse? > > > Be careful here...Some NeXTs use ADB and some don't. And yes, you > >need the monitor. > > Can't one just construct a breakout cable? Or does it involve advanced > electronics? One can construct a breakout cable, but then you'd have to come up with a monitor that'd sync to the framebuffer's output. NeXT monitors are neither expensive nor difficult to find. It's really not worth messing with. -Dave McGuire

25 years, 3 months

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DEC site

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 22, Paul Williams wrote: > > Well, I haven't decided on a site to host this yet but it sits here > http://www.wzrd.com/homeb/jroth/wirzhome/webwirz.htm temporarily. > > > I welcome any ideas on how to improve the site or something you > > might like to see. > > I'd like to see anything at all. It just appears to be a bunch of Flash > files at the moment, which make it completely impenetrable. I was about to say the same thing. -Dave McGuire

25 years, 3 months

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NeXTstation questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 22, Jeff Hellige wrote: > >On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:58:43PM -0400, Jeff Hellige wrote: > >> > What is the purpose of the "DSP" port? (Two triangles beside it, one > >> > pointing up and one down, and the connector is 15-pin) > >> > >> I'm sure there must have been something that was made to plug into > >> that port, but I don't know what. It leads to a Digital Signal > >> Processor. > > > >Yeah I think there's a sound box with a speaker, and some audio connectors. > > The soundbox plugged into the same cable as the monitor, both > of which plugged into the monitor output. I've yet to see anything > that plugged into the DSP port, though I'm sure there must have been > stuff. Two products called "Digital Eyes" and "Digital Ears", that allowed for video and audio digitization. Also the DayDream box, a small box that basically turned your NeXT into a Mac Quadra if you booted the right kernel. Those were the only commercial products that I've seen, though there have been rumors of others. -Dave McGuire

25 years, 3 months

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apollo 425t

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

The DN3000 and DN3500 are *earlier* machines, *not* later... the 425t is an HP machine, it's technically an HP Apollo 9000/425t.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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NeXTstation questions

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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NeXTstation questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 22, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > I don't see an ADB port on the unit itself, but the megapixel has one. > > Does that mean that the computer _requires_ the megapixel display in > > order to be useable at all? Or, in the absence of that monitor, can it > > use one of the other ports (which one?) for a keyboard/mouse? > > Unless this is a Turbo model, even though the connector looks like > it, it isn't an ADB port. Being a Turbo NeXT (either color or mono) does NOT mean it's an ADB NeXT. Indeed, I've a stack of color turbos here that are most certainly not ADB. -Dave McGuire

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NeXTstation questions

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

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classiccmp-digest V1 #606

by philpem＠btinternet.com

Hi, > Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:40:50 +0100 (BST) > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Subject: Re: Sharp CE-515P plotter/printer - info? > > > > > Hi, > > I've just acquired a nice little Sharp plotter/printer (model CE-515P). > > I assume this is one of the little 4 colour units with the tiny ballpoint > pens on the carriage and paper about 4" wide. Yup. > The same mechanism was used by other companies (Oric printer, Tandy > CGP115, Commodore 1520, and so on). Many of them (but not the Commodore) > used the same microcontroller chip to operate the mechanism, and they all > respond to the same commands. Not my Sharp - it works with some of the graphics commands (not AXIS or Text Rotation, though), but not others, and it needs an ESC b to put it into graphics mode. > Somewhere I have the service manual for the mechanism (how to take it > apart and replace mechanical bits). No idea where you'd get spares from, > though. Anyone got a metal milling machine? > > It seems to be in reasonably good condition and it works (to some extent). > > The most common problem with these units is that the little pinion gears > on the stepper motor shafts break. They're force-fitted onto the shafts > and the crack. This causes them (a) to slip and (b) not to mesh properly > with the next gear in the train. Urk... > At one time you could get spares from Tandy National Parts (as a spare > for the CGP115 plotter), but not any more (and not for many years, > actually). I've heard various solutions involving binding them up with a > twist of wire (wound round the part of the pinion that doesn't mesh with > the next gear) so as to close the crack, but I am not sure how good these > solutions are. How about putting a bit of copper wire over the crack, squeezing the gear together, heating the wire up with a soldering iron, pushing the wire into the plastic and cutting off the excess? Or it might be possible to use a metal staple or two. Should be quite strong. > It might almost be worth trying to make some replacements from scratch. > You'd need a milling machine (or lathe with vertical slide) and a > dividing head. And you'd need to make a special cutter (probably a fly > cutter), since IIRC, these gears are a non-standard pitch. But it should > be possible. Oh. I wouldn't mind a set of metal gears for it if they're all plastic. Two of each should be enough. :-) > > Only problem is, I don't have a manual. Does anyone here know what the > > control codes for this little thing are? I also need the pinouts for the > > RS232C port on the back. > > How many pins on the RS232 port. And is it known to be RS232? Many of these > plotters have a parallel interface on a strange connector (such as a 0.1" > header plug). The standard microcontroller implements a parallel > interface and 3 wire RS232 (input data, ready, ground) at 600 baud. It's a four pin DIN socket and it's labelled "RS-232C". > Here are the standard commands for these printers (assuming it does use > the normal microcontroller). > > It starts off in text mode. In this mode, characters are printed in the > way you'd expect, carriage return and/or line feed do what you'd expect > (there's a dip switch to select whether it automatically does linefeed on > carriage return). There are 2 other control codes to know about : > > 18 (decimal) : go into graphics mode Doesn't work, see above. > 29 (decimal) : Select the next pen Doesn't work - ESC 0 to ESC 3 work on mine. > In graphics mode, you send it printable commands to make it do things. > The main ones are : > > A go back to text mode Works, > Cn Select pen <n> (0-3) Doesn't work - ESC 0-3 works, though. > D x,y... Draw from current point to x,y (absolute). You can specify > several points as D x1,y1,x2,y2,x3,y3.... > I Set origin to current pen position > H Move pen back to origin > J x,y Draw relative by x,y > M x,y Move pen (without drawing) to x,y (absolute) Work fine. > Ln Set line type to <n> (0-15). Different forms of dashed line Haven't tried that yet. > Pstring Print character string (until CR received IIRC). Works. > Qn Set print direction to <n> (0-3 = normal, down, reversed, up) Dowsn't work. > R x,y Move relative by x,y Works fine > Sn Set text size to n (0-63, larger numbers = larger text. 0 = 80 > cpl, 1 = 40 cpl) > Xa,n,d Draw axis. a=0 for Y, 1 for X. n = number of divisions, d = size > of division. None of those work. > That should get you started, assuming it's the standard controller chip. > > > > Also, does anyone know where to get pens and plotter rolls for this > > thing? > > No, but I wish I did. I have several of them, and even an electronic > 'typewriter' using a wider version of the same mechanism. I've just found a source for paper and pens. In Germany... And now onto the next mail... > Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 18:26:27 -0400 > From: Christopher Caldwell <hardwire(a)ptd.net> > Subject: Re: Sharp CE-515P plotter/printer - info? > > Philip Pemberton wrote: > > > Also, does anyone know where to get pens and plotter rolls for this > > thing? > > If we're talking about a similar type of gizmo here, there is a US > company called Alltronics (www.alltronics.com) that currently offers > the following: > > ALPS PRINTER/PLOTTER PENS > > As used by Radio Shack, Atari, Commodore, Workslate and other printers > and plotters. Set of four black pens. 92C084 One Set - $1.99 When I can get them for about 1 UK? exc. P&P, why bother? > ...and to make things even stranger, they also have an Atari 8-bit > plotter for sale too: > > ATARI 1020 COLOR PRINTER > > For all Atari 8-bit computers. Package includes: printer, power supply, > software, pens, paper and interface cable. These are new units in > factory sealed boxes. 94C037 $14.95 each Nice. -- Phil. http://www.philpem.f9.co.uk/ philpem(a)bigfoot.com

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tape drives

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

The commodore tape drive system apparently put a header at the start of each file. You could fast forward through the tape manually until you got to about where the file you wanted was. Of course, most of us just bought 10 minute computer grade tapes and put one program or whatever on each side... -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 21:17, Tony Duell wrote: > > > Or cut off the existing plug and fit a nice, UK mains plug. Which I would > > > do anyway, since like you I regard mains adapter plugs to be the > > > invention of the devil. > > > > Could we agree on a fine DIN plug ? :)) > > Anybody who uses an (audio-type) DIN plug for a mains connection is > likely to be a candidate for a Darwin award :-) I think Hans may be referring to a Schuko plug -- it's a DIN standard :-) > Often it's simpler (if the motor itself will run at 50Hz) just to make a > different drive pulley. Which is why all us computer collectors have a lathe in the workshop :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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NeXTstation questions

by CARL.P.HIRSCH＠sargentlundy.com

Here's the NeXT FAQ - http://www.channelu.com/NeXT/NeXTFAQ-new/NeXTFAQ.toc.html That's for telling me about Black Hole computing. Definitely more deserving of one's business than your average eBay profiteer. -carl Marion.Bates@dartmout h.edu (Marion Bates) To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Sent by: cc: owner-classiccmp@clas Subject: Re: NeXTstation questions siccmp.org 05/22/01 03:27 PM Please respond to classiccmp Hey all, It's definitely not an ADB port...I didn't look carefully enough. :) I ended up ordering a monitor cable and keyboard/mouse from Black Hole Inc. which has some nice historical info and quite a selection of NeXT hardware and software for sale. Thanks for all the info, folks! -- MB

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Looking for laptop docking station resources on the Web

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

It may be off topic, so let me ask that people send replies directly, but I just picked up this Thinkpad and docking station at Dayton and am looking for information on the docking station. It's the one with the speakers that stick out like Mickey Mouse ears on both sides. It appears to have an internal SCSI adapter, some odd, high-density ribbon connectors (26 pin, 50 pin and 60 pin), and a slot for a CD-ROM. I'd love to enhance this thing just a little bit, at least enough to use it for Linux (16Mb RAM, 800Mb disk). Any pointers to docking station resources are appreciated. I am also looking for docks for a couple other laptops I have (Toshiba T2100 and Compaq Aero 4/25) Thanks, -ethan ===== Visit "The Seventh Continent" http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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NeXTstation questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 22, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote: > On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:58:43PM -0400, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > > What is the purpose of the "DSP" port? (Two triangles beside it, one > > > pointing up and one down, and the connector is 15-pin) > > > > I'm sure there must have been something that was made to plug into > > that port, but I don't know what. It leads to a Digital Signal > > Processor. > > Yeah I think there's a sound box with a speaker, and some audio connectors. ...which doesn't connect to the DSP port. It connects to the video/kbd/audio connector on color NeXT machines. The NeXT soundbox isn't used on mono machines because the speakers and audio connectors (and sometimes the mic, depending on version) are built into the monitor. -Dave McGuire

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DEC site

by brian.roth＠firstniagarabank.com

Well, I haven't decided on a site to host this yet but it sits here http://www.wzrd.com/homeb/jroth/wirzhome/webwirz.htm temporarily. I may just decide to leave it on Yahoo. Let me know what you think. I'm not going to reinvent the wheel with these pages so I am basically just going to concentrate on my personal collection. I welcome any ideas on how to improve the site or something you might like to see. Its a little unpolished and very incomplete but that will hopefully change with weekly improvements. I should have the domain in someones DNS in a couple of weeks so you'll be able to access it as webwirz.com. I want to add a phpbb message board in the future but that will depend on the host having Php and Mysql available. Please note that nothing in my equipment listing is for sale but I do trade occaisionally for things I'm looking for. Thanks, Brian. Brian Roth Network Services First Niagara Bank (716) 625-7500 X2186 Brian.Roth(a)FirstNiagaraBank.com

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Exidy Sorcerer

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

That said, actually the better makes of D-connector are rated for quite high voltages (500V and above). They were used on valved equipment, for example. So I you could use a D connector for mains, not that I would, of course. 9 pin D connectors were quite common for mains on BBC equipment but only on backplanes for slot mounted units, never as flying leads. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp

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RMA, RTMA, EIA and one more

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

While I did laugh my ass off when I read this, it took me a while to get to the actual text. 3826 bytes of embedded html/xml garbage to transfer 350 bytes of text. God I love Microsoft. -Dave McGuire On May 21, Bob Stek wrote [useless html/xml garbage removed]: > After the RMA, RTMA and EIA published standards, aother industry > association tried to make some sense of the various computer connectors. > The retiring president James McDonald of the Electronics Industry > Engineers' (EIE) tried unsuccessfully to promulgate yet another set of > standards for computer inter-connects. This was known as old McDonald's > EIE I/O.

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FA: old computer sales and service video training tapes. Compaq Deskpro, Compaq Portable II, DEC Rainbow, AT&T 6300.

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I'm still cleaning house and I've just finished listing a bunch of video tapes on E-bay. These tapes were for sales and/or service training for several of the old PCs, including the AT&T 6300, Compaq Portable II, Compaq Portable 286, Compaq Deskpro, Compaq Deskpro 286 and the DEC Rainbow 100 and 100+. There are also a bunch of various tapes from the old ComputerLand stores. All of these tapes were propriatary and were only supposed to be viewed by authorized dealers. Consequently they are very hard to find. These are top quality tapes and are very informative. Take a look; http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&u…. Joe

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H89 Computer needs good home

by jweder＠telusplanet.com

Hi... I do have some interest. Having lost my old Heath catalogs I can't quite recall what the H89 is all about, but I wouldn't mind taking the H8. Please let me know what kind of $'s you're looking for, and what all is included. Thanks! p.s. I did try emailing you directly but I had it returned with an error message. I'll try again shortly. Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

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RMA, RTMA, EIA and one more

by r.stek＠snet.net

After the RMA, RTMA and EIA published standards, aother industry association tried to make some sense of the various computer connectors. The retiring president James McDonald of the Electronics Industry Engineers' (EIE) tried unsuccessfully to promulgate yet another set of standards for computer inter-connects. This was known as old McDonald's EIE I/O.

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Weekend finds : carload of Commodore for $10

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 20, 8:26, John Foust wrote: > At 11:19 PM 5/19/01 -0400, Claude.W wrote: > >I grew up using Commodore equipement at home. > >1 Sun Mouse (what was that doing in there?) > > I seem to remember that a Sun mouse was quite similar > to an Amiga mouse. In particular, the ones that required > a reflective mouse pad were quite fashionable. Are you sure? AFAIK, all Amiga mice are dumb quadrature mice with two buttons, and their interface consists of 5V power, ground, four quadrature signals (2 for X and 2 for Y) and two button signals. A Sun mouse has a proprietary encoded interface that uses three (or four?) wires. I suppose you could rig one up to a serial port, if you wrote a suitable driver (might also need a level translator). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Exidy Sorcerer

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 23:42, Tony Duell wrote: > Oh, that horrible thing.... Not fused Because each circuit is supposed to have its own breaker in the main box, and there would normally be very few outlets on one circuit, and many more circuits than we tend to have in the UK. My Schuko sockets are two to a breaker. > > Which is why all us computer collectors have a lathe in the workshop :-) > > Exactly... Well, not in the same workshop that I do electronic repairs > in, and certainly not where I run large hard disks (swarf and demountable > hard disks don't mix...). But certainly in _a_ workshop.... Mine is in the smae workshop. Not ideal, but I'm careful where I let the swarf go (metal swarf is quite heavy so it's not too hard) and where I lay disk packs. Now the arc welder is a different story. The spatter from that can go everywhere, so it's in the garage not the workshop/computer room. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Weekend finds : carload of Commodore for $10

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 3:26, Iggy Drougge wrote: > Pete Turnbull skrev: > If you'd ever dare take away my third button, I'd make the rest of your life > very short and painful, Peter. =) Sorry, I'd never seen a 3-button mouse on an Amiga. Sounds reasonable enough. > >A Sun mouse has a > >proprietary encoded interface that uses three (or four?) wires. I suppose > >you could rig one up to a serial port, if you wrote a suitable driver > >(might also need a level translator). > > Now, there's a funny project: removing all the encoding circuitry and rewiring > the Sun mouse in order to make it an Amiga compatible quadrature mouse! There's a web page somewhere describing exactly how to do that for a Microsoft mouse. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC Memory

by vance＠ikickass.org

Anyone know where I can get MS02-CA RAMs for DECstations cheap? I need about 120 of them and I don't want to spend $7000+. Thanks. Peace... Sridhar

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RMA, RTMA, EIA and one more

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 21, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > While I did laugh my ass off when I read this, it took me a while to > >get to the actual text. 3826 bytes of embedded html/xml garbage to > >transfer 350 bytes of text. God I love Microsoft. > > It didn't show up as HTML on Eudora and I generally keep HTML > display turned on. Well my mailer certainly didn't synthsize it, man... ;) -Dave McGuire

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RMA, RTMA, EIA and one more

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 18:34, Jeff Hellige wrote: > > While I did laugh my ass off when I read this, it took me a while to > >get to the actual text. 3826 bytes of embedded html/xml garbage to > >transfer 350 bytes of text. God I love Microsoft. > > It didn't show up as HTML on Eudora and I generally keep HTML > display turned on. Oh, it was definitley HTML. Encoded as "[ Attachment (multipart/alternative): 3829 bytes ]", so if you had HTML display turned off in Eudora, it probably just showed you the flat-ASCII version, which was there as well as the cruft. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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(OT) Acorn RiscPC 600

by philpem＠btinternet.com

> I picked up an Acorn RiscPC 600 base unit the other day, my first Archimedes- > type Acorn machine. Good for you. I've got one too - 16MBs of RAM, ARM610 CPU - and it runs rings round my Windoze box. > Anyway, I have a few questions. Perhaps someone can point me to a decent web > site about the Acorn machines? > > - I'm assuming the RiscPC 600 uses an Archimedes-type mouse. This should not > be a major problem, as a simple pin-to-pin adapter should allow a three- > button Amiga mouse to be connected. Yup. It uses an Acorn quadrature mouse. Available from www.castle.org.uk. > - Can I use a PS/2 type PC keyboard, or is a custom Acorn keyboard needed? Yes, the Acorn k/b is a standard PS/2 keyboard. > - Before powering it up, I want to remove the hard disk and create an image > file of its contents. The CD-ROM drive needs to be removed in order to get > to the hard disk. I can't see how to do that. Any ideas? There are two long L-shaped locking pins that hold the case together at the back and two near the front of the slice. Pull the back L-clips out and look for two circular clips with small (3mm or so) tags on. Rotate them and pull them out. Lift off the slice and you can get at the HD. It will probably be a standard IDE interface. If you really want to get help with this machine, try joining up to the newsgroups comp.sys.acorn, comp.sys.acorn.announce, comp.sys.acorn.apps and comp.sys.acorn.hardware. Chances are, someone there will be able to help. I'm also a regular in CSA, CSA.misc, CSA.hardware and CSA.programmer. If you want, I'll scan in the relevant part of my Risc PC Welcome Guide and upload it to my i-drive. -- Phil. http://www.philpem.f9.co.uk/ philpem(a)bigfoot.com

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(OT) Acorn RiscPC 600

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 20:45, Mark wrote: > I picked up an Acorn RiscPC 600 base unit the other day, my first Archimedes- > type Acorn machine. Nice find :-) I'm still looking for a Risc PC. I left Acorn about the time of the A540/R260 and those are the latest Acorn machines I have. > Anyway, I have a few questions. Perhaps someone can point me to a decent web > site about the Acorn machines? The FAQ is still updated and is at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/acorn/faq/part1/ > - I'm assuming the RiscPC 600 uses an Archimedes-type mouse. This should not > be a major problem, as a simple pin-to-pin adapter should allow a three- > button Amiga mouse to be connected. > > - Can I use a PS/2 type PC keyboard, or is a custom Acorn keyboard needed? I can't remember for sure when the changes were introduced, but I'm fairly sure the Risc PC uses a PS/2 keyboard but an Acorn mouse. If so, the keyboard connector will be 6-pin miniDIN (the older Acorn proprietary keyboards are also 6-pin miniDIN, though) and the mouse connector will be 9-pin miniDIN. > - Before powering it up, I want to remove the hard disk and create an image > file of its contents. The CD-ROM drive needs to be removed in order to get > to the hard disk. I can't see how to do that. Any ideas? Sorry, I don't know. I assume you mean how to remove the CD-ROM, not how to get the case open? I vaguely recall someone asking a similar question ages ago on comp.sys.acorn (or possibly comp.sys.acorn.hardware) so searching DejaNews (er, groups.google.com these days) might help. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Saved from garbage truck : TRS80 Model II & disk system! Now keyboard and boot disk/software anyone?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 20:36, Hans Franke wrote: > Thank you very much Pete. > > I was already so into bitch mode that I completely forgot > to look for a work around. I know the feeling only too well. I get extremely irritated at stupid things like this, myself. In fairness to Claude, I don't think he knew about the domain name rules. It seemed to be a complete surprise to him when I explained. I understand he originally asked for "computercollector" but the stupid ISP claimed it was too similar to something else but it was OK with the underscore (yeah, like the underscore makes all the difference). That ISP does what mine does: the "nice" personalised URL that looks like you have your own server is actually an alias to the canonical name, and the webserver is running virtual servers, translating xyzzy.tripod.com to members.tripod.com/xyzzy/. So the caonical URL is legal, but some droid at the ISP forgot (or didn't know) that the alias wasn't. > P.S.: The example about the page size is true ... there is a > generation of collectors ahead who don't know anything > about the ideas behind the prety plasic boxes. My pet hate is typified by pages that use screeds of Javascript to achieve what could have been does more easily and in 1/4th the space using plain sensible HTML -- and which fail to load properly on my machine because I normally have Javascript turned off for safety (it's a Unix box, so the risk is reduced, but you never know -- and I practically *never* turn Java on). For an example of the worst kind of page that needlessly complains when Javascript is disabled, see http://www.enterasys.com/ . It only fails because the error display gets in the way of the links! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Saved from garbage truck : TRS80 Model II & disk system! Now keyboard and boot disk/software anyone?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 14:04, Hans Franke wrote: > > http://computer_collector.tripod.com > > Maybe a nice page, but hard to get there ... The Domain name is > invalid, so I can't resolve it and get your page. I've had this problem with Claude's pages before (and some others). I even mailed him about it a while ago. However, I worked out that the alternative is http://members.tripod.com/computer_collector/ (the underscore is legal in the directory name, just not in the domain name or hostname). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Intergraph?

by cgoggans＠counterpane.com

Hello... I've somehow managed to acquire a few Intergraph workstations in my lab. I've got a 2000, a 2400, and a 6100. I'm looking for install media for the Clipper UNIX that ran on these machines. Intergraph doesn't seem to know/care/remember anything about CLiX. Does anyone have any ideas where I might track media down?? Thanks, ->Chris

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LA210 problem with the control lines

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Hi all. During the weekend I found some time to check the VT102 -> LA210 connection. The suggestion Tony made, was very good. Stupid that I didn't think of it. I connected a VT220 to the VT102 printer port using the BC22D cable. Then I sent characters to the VT220. The letter E showed up as a zero and some other characters. After that nothing appeared on the VT220 screen. It was locked up. Next I connected my Tek 465 to the transmit pin (#2) of the printer port on the VT102. When I do the printer port test (screen full of E's) and send that to the printer port it became obvious why the LA210 prints garbage. Pin #2 is rougly -19 Volts. When characters are sent there are only spikes visible with an amplitude of about 20 V. superimposed on the -19 V. I hope I did not damage the LA210 as the transmit signal with the spikes go to almost -40 V. Or am I making a measurement error? The pin #2 (transmit) on the VT102 printer port is only connected to the (high impedance) input of the oscilloscope. The ground of the Tek is connected to pin #7. Do I need a resistor between pin #2 and ground (#7)? Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > Sent: donderdag 17 mei 2001 21:09 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: LA210 problem with the control lines > > > > > Hi all. > > > > Yesterday I connected my LA210 Letterprinter to the > > printerport of a VT102. > > Both are set at 9600 Bd, 8 databits, no parity and 1 stopbit. > > However when I send some 5 characters from the VT102 to the > > printer, it prints many mirrored question marks and > > other 'strange' characters. > > Do you _know_ that the printer port on the VT102 is working correctly > (and at the right baud rate)? Try connecting another terminal > (or a PC running a terminal emulator program) in place of the LA210 > and see what happens. > > In many systems, the transmit and receive baudrates are > derived from the same crystal. and in some cases, particularly > printer ports, DEC used the same baud rate generator for the transmit > and receive clocks. > That means, of course, that you can;t select different transmit and > receive speeds, but that's rarely needed for a printer port. > > Now a loopback test checks the port against itself. So, particularly > in the latter case, it could be running at totally the wrong > baud rate and still pass the loopback test. You want to check against > something else, like a PC. > > > Okay, I thought, the baudrate setting, etc. is not correct. > But it is. > > These are the checks I have done so far. > > 1) The used cable is an original DEC BC22D-25. This cable > is mentioned in the LA210 Letterprinter User Guide. > > It's printing something, so the data leads must be the right way round. > And the handshake (control) lines are not important until you > can get the printer to print some characters correctly. > > > I do not understand the message "Control lines failed". > > It's a problem with what are normally called the handshake > lines (RTS, CTS, etc). Either you've not got the right loopback plug > wiring, or you've got a problem on the LA210 logic board. > > > I have no field maintenance print set of the LA210 .... > > Nor do I. I do have the LA100 printset somewhere which is > electrically very similar, though. > > -tony

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Weekend finds : carload of Commodore for $10

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 21, 9:24, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote: > I've seen that with a MicroSoft Bus Mouse - you wack off the funny 8-pin > MS connector and stick on a nine-pin Amiga connector and you are done. I > haven't seen anyone attempt to convert a serial mouse to raw quadrature. > I suppose it could be done. Too easy :-) The page I saw described removing the serial controller from a mouse, and wiring straight to the quadrature connections. http://members.tripod.com/~ilkerf/chard/pc64mice.txt -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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H89 Computer needs good home

by EsterquestDF＠Npt.NUWC.Navy.Mil

I have the computer, dual 8-inch drives, and loads of software. I also have an H8 system. I also have the HUG magazines. Is there any interest??? I can be reached at EsterquestDF(a)Npt.NUWC.Navy.mil Regards,

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Weekend finds : carload of Commodore for $10

by claudew＠videotron.ca

I grew up using Commodore equipement at home. Finding Commodore stuff is always fun for me. Friend of mine called and said to go over at this guy's place to empty out all his Commodore stuff for $10. Nothing exotic or really rare here, but I filled my car with: 1 Amiga 2000HD (not looked inside yet for possible goodies like accel boards...) 1 Amiga 500 1 Amiga 1084S monitor 1 Amiga Ext Floppy 1 Mackintosh (Apple clone maker IIRC) branded composite monitor 3 C64s computers 2 1541 drives 1 1541 II drives Approx 1000+ floppies of Commodore software Some original C64 software inbox like Sub Logic Flight Sim for C64...SSIs Computer Baseball... 2 Fast Load + some other assorted C64 carts 1 Mps801 printer 2 Amiga mice 1 Super Graphix Printer Interface for C64 1 C64 Koala Pad (?) Several books like : Mapping the Commodore 64, The Best of TorPet (good reading!) and other books for 6502 programming and similar. 1 Ton of cables and power supplies for all of this 2 Ribbons for the Mps801 1 Sun Mouse (what was that doing in there?) 1 386 clone (he was cleaning out...) Claude http://computer_collector.tripod.com

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PDP-11/53

by dittman＠dittman.net

I've been gifted with a PDP-11/53 (or 53+) CPU module. The CPU is from a DECserver 550, and I have the box as well, so I'll be able to build up my PDP-11 there rather than use my BA23 from my MVII. From what I've been able to determine the CPU modules in the DECserver 550 has different ROMs, so I'll need to replace them to make a bootable system. I'll be able to use the Ethernet card in the DECserver 550 (DELQA), and I'll move over my RQDX3 and RD54 drives from the MVII. Since the CPU has 1.5M of RAM I won't need any extra memory (and from reading the PDP-11 history, adding memory off-board adds a real performance hit. So, does any here have a source for bootable ROMs for this CPU? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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'cross computer movers referrals

by mranalog＠home.com

"Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> said: > Doug Coward skrev: > >"Bruce Ray" <bkr(a)WildHareComputers.com> said > >> moving companies moving RETMA-racked equipment. > > > Are these really pre-1957 racks or is that a > >phrase of habit? > > Could you enlighten us rack nitwits as to what this business is about? Sorry, I have a really bad habit of boiling things down to as few words as possible. I really admirer people that can write emails that go on and on, for page after page. Anyway, before I get off the track, in 1924 a standards organization was formed called the Radio Manufacturers Association (RMA). In 1950, it became the Radio Television Manufacturers Association (RTMA). In 1953 it was renamed Radio Electronics Television Manufacturers Association (RETMA). And in 1957, it was renamed the Electronic Industries Association (EIA). Now, Bruce may have said RETMA out of habit when he meant EIA or these maybe racks from the mid-1950s. Why do I care? The mid-1950s were a time of rapid developments in the field of electronic analog computers. One company, Philbrick Researches developed an extensive line of power supplies, amplifiers, manifolds, and other analog computing components that made to be rack mounted. Cables interconnected the components in the rack. These cables used RETMA connectors. These connector are the diameter of and have pins the size of the base of a octal pin vacuum tube. Of course the pin spacing is different. I have a number of these components, but the connector are difficult to find. That's why my ears always perk up when I read "RETMA". I'm just nosing around to see if there is a bin in back of some surplus store were I might find connectors like these. And if anyone comes across any racks that have a tag saying "GAP/R", I would be VERY interested. Regards, --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

25 years, 3 months

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Odd connectors (was: 'cross computer movers referrals)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 21, John Honniball wrote: > My quest for an odd connector is a little different... I > have a Tektronix RF signal generator with a GR-874 > connector. It's hermaphrodite, in other words, it's both > male and female -- I only have one of them, so I can't > really explain how they connect up! The "GR" (General Radio) sexless connector is pretty common in really high-frequency stuff, but not quite as common as other (better-built, more expensive) sexless constant-impedance connectors such as the APC-7 and APC-3.5. What sort of connector are you trying to get to? -Dave McGuire

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Saved from garbage truck : TRS80 Model II & disk system! Now keyboard and boot disk/software anyone?

by claudew＠videotron.ca

This is a lucky week for me. After the carload/motherload of Commodore stuff for $10 now this Model II working with Disk System! Spotted by a friend on the side of the street. Advised owner I would pass by and pick it up. I did. It works and quite restorable : no cracks, major missing parts or evidence someone played in it! I am in need of boot disks and software to try it out. It had one 8" disk in the computer drive and I get a BOOT ERROR TK message after the computer tries to boot (?) a solenoid seems to bring the head in close proxymity of the floppy twice after drive goes to outoor most track...and then I get the message. I suspect the disks in the drive is not a boot disk, disk bad or a floppy problem... Head was not moving so I moved the head stepper motor with power off. Step motor moved back to outside track at boot attempt. So that motor works... Disk says ACCOUNTS PAYABLE LABELS. Who knows if this should boot...... I am in need of a boot disk and a few software would be nice... I have also no keyboard. Does anyone know if a keyboard for a Model TRS80 model 2000 will work on this? I have one of those... I plenty to offer in trade or thank you gift. See trade list on my crappy web site...ask, I have more... Thanks for the help Claude http://computer_collector.tripod.com

25 years, 3 months

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Where to buy Gorilla Banana printers?

by heatond30＠hotmail.com

Hi Doug, We have a Gorilla Banana Printer! It seems to be in good shape with the dust cover, manual, and old ribbon. We also have a ton of systems and componets ,and software (the good stuff)from that era, Commador 64, 128, 5.25 drives, Atari systems, and lots of other equipment. Printers like the big blue, Commador vic and others. We have the IBM PC jr system complete with monitor, printer, side parallel car, and extensive manuals. We have a lot of stuff from the 70's and 80's MAC performa 450 complete with software manuals modem, monitor, printer-Image Writer II, also a Apple IIgs with lots of attachments 5.25 & 3.5 drives, printer all complete! Windows 3.1 tower system complete has CD-rom, 5.25 1.2 mg, 3.5 1.44mg drives 2 hard drives 2.19.mg and 83.mg. Has Sound blaster card, modem, serial and parallel cards installed. Has the Calmira Final addition GUI (windows 95 desktop) installed. Mouse, Keyboard, Monitor, lots of software installed like Word, Powerpoint, Excel, and more! We have 5 - HP smartdesk Writers Color and black inkjet printers TOO! 386 boards, ISA cards lots more. We would like to sell it all if possible! Contact us at samcgee65(a)hotmail.com Thank you, Mark McGee

25 years, 3 months

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EtherNEA

by optimus＠canit.se

Here's an interesting link for the Atari buffs out there: http://home.nexgo.de/thomas.redelberger/prj/atari/ethernea -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. We have support for the PMAGC-B's on pmax right? That is a PixelVision based card right? I see Bt 463, that chip looks bigger than the 21164! Just looking at it makes me want to write an Xserver! Chris Tribo, NetBSD/pmax

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