- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

They have LEDs. I soldered them in myself when I put together my Altair kit :-) BTW -- a lot of the popular history of the Altair is wrong. I have seen several "official" source list the original price at $375. It was MUCH more expensive. I have my original invoices somewhere ... -Rob -----Original Message----- From: John Honniball [SMTP:John.Honniball@uwe.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:06 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Altair 8800 front panel lamps I've just been reading "Computer: A History of the Information Machine", by Martin Campbell-Kelly and WIlliam Aspray. It mentions the Altair 8800 (on page 240) and describes the front panel: When loaded, the program would run; but the only evidence of its execution was the change in the shifting pattern of the neon bulbs on the front. Neon bulbs? Did the Altair really have neon bulbs on the front panel? I would have expected LEDs -- can anyone clarify this, please? -- John Honniball Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk University of the West of England

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Hello classic computer fans...

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

Welcome to the list Bob. There are a number of HP minicomputer collectors on this list including myself. While I don't have anything from the 60's, I do have several MPE systems and 5 or 6 early HPUX boxes. I'm always looking to add interesting hardware or software to the collection. Once again, welcome. SteveRob >From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: Hello classic computer fans... >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:03:10 -0400 > >Hi, > >My name is Bob Shannon, and I've been collecting and restoring old >computers for quite a while now, and I have a rather varied accumulation of >interesting machines. > >Some of my favorites are HP minicomputers from the 1960's, I've got the >full set, a 2114A, 2115A, and a 2116C. I've also accumulated spare parts >and many peripherals. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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WOW!R@RE!L@@K

by witchy＠vorbis.demon.co.uk

> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 18:41:25 +0200 > From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > Subject: L@@K R@RE (Was: Microwave) > > :)) > > Nice page ... although some of the picture descriptions are hard > to understand ... is 'Bit like Dodo' nw uncomon in your eyes ? > And what's about 'Rocking Horse shit' ? (Well, I own a SORD M5, > and it's one of only 4 units ever 'officialy' imported to Germany, > so I thought of it as somewhat uncommon). Ta! Well, Dodos have been extinct for a long time, but I couldn't think of something that was *nearly* extinct. Having said that nigh on 80,000 Lisa 1's were sold, though most were apparently upgraded to Lisa 2s since the upgrade was free. As for rocking horse shit, have you ever seen any? :o) The other analogy is 'Hen's teeth'. The Sord M5 is more uncommon over here than the CGL M5 which was the European version. I suppose I should change the picture to be my stretched Memotech MTX512 which never officially made it out of the factory. > P.S.: I Like the 'Selling Sand to the Arabs' phrase :) *grin* -------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 14:18:49 -0400 > From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> > Subject: Re: L@@K R@RE (Was: Microwave) > > I liked it too :-) *bow* > I think the difficult to understand captions are English (as in England) > slang. TBH I thought Paving slabs might have caused more confusion than, say, dodos :) cheers adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum 0:OK, 0:1

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AC adapters

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

I have some AC adapters I bought in a lot, I gave $1 each for them and pulled what I need from them. Input is 120VAC 60hz 800ma and output on a standard round/tubular "coax" connector is 16VAC, 4A. Fused with a 5A/250V fuse built in and changeable if blown. They're bricks with about 3 ft of wire to the 2 prong AC plug and about 3 ft to the coax adapter. Brick measures about 3" wide, 3.5" deep and 2.5" high. Made by Eltron with the part number 808061-001. I have 4 I need to get rid of at $1.00 each plus applicable postage. They weigh 3 lbs each. Someone can have them all or just 1, 2, etc. I'm in central KY in zip 42726 in the event someone wishes to calc shipping. Drop me a note direct at rhblake(a)bigfoot.com

25 years, 2 months

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PLI TurboFloppy for Mac

by owad＠applefritter.com

I finally had a chance to look at that SCSI floppy drive I mentioned on the list a few weeks ago and a few people wanted to hear more about. It's interesting. The drive is built by PLI and named the TurboFloppy 1.4. It can only read and write 1.4MB disks, no 400k or 800k (and I complained about USB disk drives not being able to!). The manual keeps stating that the drive does not have an auto-eject and the picture on the box shows the drive with an eject button, but the drive that I got simply has a paper clip hole like any other Mac drive, so presumably it supports auto-eject. I've been trying to get the drive to work with an LC 580 without much luck (the other older SCSI Mac I have handy is my Color Classic and I'm not about to hook a strange drive up to it). I've tried various SCSI ID's without any luck. With termination turned off, the computer boots as if the drive was not even attached. With termination on the drives attempts to read the disk at startup and then the Mac begins to boot, hanging at the 'MacOS Starting up...' screen before any extensions are visibly loaded. It strikes me as a SCSI problem, so I think I'm next going to try it with a hd-less Mac Plus or SE (something from around the time period it was made) and see how it reacts to that. The manual mentions a disk containing the files 'TurboCache' and 'TurboBack'. If anybody should have them I'd love a copy. Reading the manual, it appears the TurboFloppy was intended for Mac users who didn't have floppy ports but needed a second 1.4MB-only floppy drive. I'm not sure who that would be. My plan is to use the drive as a quick- and-dirty way of loading software (particularly network software) onto Macs with bad floppy drives. Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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test

by bshannon＠tiac.net

Testing...

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3.5" MFM hard disk

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Mon, 28 May 2001 22:14:45 -0400 Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> writes: > >I've had a couple or 3 3-1/2" RODIME drives for quite some time. > The configuration 320 cyl, 4 Heads comes to mind for two of them, but I > don't remember the configuration of the other one. > > The Kalok is 615 cylinders and 4 heads. It's currently > connected to a converter board, similar to the ones that Adaptec > used to make for connecting MFM drives up to various other interfaces. Yeah? Which make/model? If it *were* Adaptec, I'd bet it's an ACB-4000, in which case it's MFM<->SCSI (sortof). What sort of machine is it going into? Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Heathkit Fall 1978 catalog now on-line; H-8, H-11, H-9 and ET-3400.

by s.lowenstein＠patriot.net

I have been looking all over for the model number of a fancy digital fm tuner that heathkit made about 1978. It was unusual because it had a keypad on it to punch in the station you wanted. Is it possible for you to look in your 1978 heathkit catalog and see if such a thing is in there. If you could put it on your site it would be great! Thanks, Sam Lowenstein

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you vs. museums

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 5/29/01 2:44:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk writes: > > In the end, I figured it was more trouble that it's worth. I've got my > own machines to keep running. I'll still help people -- anyone -- who is > trying to restore an old machine, no matter if they're associated with a > museum or not. I'd volunteer again if the above points (and a couple > more) were officially sorted out. > > -tony > I will agree here as well. You will find that most "museums" may show the computer, but probably not running, and you can't get a hands on feel for it. Also many older machines can still be providing usefull services for people but won't do that sitting in any museum. You can come and see my :museum" pieces anytime , and I'll even let ya "touch" them :-) -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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Need help

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Deer Sir; I have just been given three ENIAC machines to display in a museum but they are currently in Nigeria where they were used for nuclear weapons testing. I can get them and preserve them for the National Museum of Science but I need your help. They won't believe I am a serious collector unless I can show them that I own a working PDP-1. I need you to box up and ship me a working PDP-1 so that I can set it up and show it to them. Then they will send me the three ENIACs by first class air mail. I will keep one, send one to the museum and you can keep one. You will agree that an ENIAC, the first digital computer, is much more valuable than a PDP-1 so you will understand that I must keep the PDP-1 just in case they do a "surprise" inspection. Thank you for your help, it is a good cause. Sincerely, Prof. Peabody. ----------------------------------------------------------- :-)

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Core Memory ID

by djg＠drs-esg.com

> From: Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> > I was looking around my box of old boards and > found a core memory set I've had since about > '84. > > The handles also has "W025" on them. > > Is this a PDP-8 board, and was it an OEM part > supplied to DEC or from DEC? > Sound like a PDP-8/I Core stack. I think it was an OEM part supplied by digital. They seemed to use several different manufactures. The one I have in front of me is Core Memories LTD Dublin Ireland. 8/I picture with core modules visible (core is blocks with wire bundles leading to white handles on top left). http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8i/pdp8i.shtml David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights

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3.5" MFM hard disk

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

That's possibly the RLL version of the same card; ACB-4070. These were used alot on fileservers in the mid-80's (although, I must admit I've never seen one with a 3.5" formfactor). Oh yeah, there's also an ACB-55xx series, this family was more diverse: They made a model that could do SMD<->SCSI, f'rinstance. I have one of these, but it doesn't work. These were all *partial* SCSI implementations. The *real* scsi boards were the ACB-4520/25's. These were for ESDI drives, though. On Tue, 29 May 2001 08:38:58 -0600 "Richard Erlacher" <edick(a)idcomm.com> writes: > That's not necessarily the case! > > I recently got a SCSI box, originally designed as an attachment for > a MAC, that > had a 3-1/2" drive (the one the configuration of which I don't > recall) on the > order of 40 MB, but which had a board that I remember as NOT being > an ACB-4000, > though it was of the 40xx series. It was, IIRC, an ADAPTEC board, > but an RLL > board and, oddly enough, of a 3-1/2" form factor. > > I'll look at it and let you know what it is. > > Dick > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

25 years, 2 months

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OT: Widnows Checkbox

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Got prompted with a nice Windows checkbox today while upgrading an NT workstation to Service Pack 6a...it said: "Always trust content from Microsoft Corporation?" Yeah right....that little choice remained unchecked... Jeff

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3.5" MFM hard disk

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

>> The Kalok is 615 cylinders and 4 heads. It's currently >> connected to a converter board, similar to the ones that Adaptec >> used to make for connecting MFM drives up to various other interfaces. > >Yeah? Which make/model? If it *were* Adaptec, I'd bet it's an ACB-4000, >in which case it's MFM<->SCSI (sortof). What sort of machine is it >going into? The board is from Sun Remarketing and is labled as being manufactured by them. It is in an Apple Lisa and converts the signals from the external parallel port to those of the MFM drive. The converter and hard disk are mounted directly above the floppy drive internally with a ribbon cable going out the back of the case to the external port. I'll look at it again when I get home and post specifics on it. Unfortunately, I don't have any documentation on the hard disk setup. I've had a few of the Adaptec boards, including one mounted in an Atari SH-204 hard disk, converting from the ST's interface to the MFM drive mounted in the enclosure. Jeff

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Apple Turnover?

by vcf＠siconic.com

I have here an ISA card labelled "APPLE TURNOVER" on the lower inner part of the board (on the inside of the edge connector" and "(C) 1984 VERTEX". It has what looks to be a standard floppy edge connector/pin connector (either can be used). I'm thinking (and hoping) this is a card that allows one to read Apple ][ floppies with a standard PC drive on the PC. Anyone ever heard of this? Am I right? Does it require software? If so, anyone got it? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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PERQs and software preservation (was: Xerox Star)

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

On Fri, 25 May 2001, R. D. Davis wrote: > In what way is it ahead of X11 combined with xterms? Graphical-only > user interfaces are useful for those who don't do much wiht their > computers, such as those with a few data dozen files here and there, > who just access the 'net, use a word processor or spreadsheet now and > then, etc. - such as the typical biz-'droid. Yup, that's exactly what VP was for, and IMHO it did it way better than the current set of tools for the masses (Office etc). It kept you well away from the guts of the machine, there wasn't a command line option at all - everything that was locally installed was somewhere in the "Directory" icon, which you opened up and used the click-COPY-click mouse action to put it on your desktop to use. Piece of cake. > However, anyone who has lots of data files, programs, scripts, etc. > needs something more useful that allows more reasonable, e.g.quicker, > access to their data. Absolutely, if you were a developer you'd almost never use VP unless you had to put together a fancy-looking presentation or report for the boss :-) All my development work was done in the Tajo (XDE) environment where I had access to a command line (well, as many as I wanted), file tool, editor, and the usual slew of compiler/binder/debugger tools. On top of that there was a hefty fileserver somewhere on the West Coast where we could get hold of the "Hacks" tools. Lovely :) > the PERQs themselves were great improvements over what I've seen of > the Xerox systems - truly hackers systems were, and are, the PERQs. There isn't much difference between my T2 running POS and a Dbox running XDE, they have the same basic set of tools and utils. Obviously the PERQ tools are for Pascal and the Dbox's are for Mesa, and the PERQ UI looks like an XDE Executive full-screened :-) Heck, even the directory names follow the "{volume}<top>sub>file.ext" format :-) > Why Word format? Aren't you able to convert it to LaTeX format which you > can then use something useful like Emacs with? Ha ha, Word goes to the sad people who occasionally ask me to put stuff together for them. They can only handle Word, and the customer is always right ;-) Emacs? Nah, I used to use it at AT&T a long time back but got fed up of never having it installed as standard on each of the various development machines I had to use. In the end I was forced to get to grips with vi simply because it was on every development box, and after that I've never really seen the point in trying to re-learn all the emacs stuff. As for LaTeX, that was another thing I never got to grips with. I looked at it once about 10ish years ago and took a sharp step back when it seemed to be yet another bunch of *roff-style formatting macros. Again at AT&T we had to do all our docs on a VT220 using "memorandum macros" which I found hard to get used to after my spell at Xerox using the Star. Never really liked seeing all that clutter in my documents, and couldn't be bothered to run it all through a formatter to see what an approximation of the end result would look like on a VT220. I know I'm just asking to be flamed here, but I never saw the point of the whole TeX thing :-) <ducks to avoid flying furniture> Al.

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DEC RXV21 with 5.25 floppy

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On 27 May, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > If yours is a copy of the GR RXV21 then it should not only be able to > > format disks, > BINGO! > tic, tic, tic, tic, ... > Can you hear this? > It is the MXV21 formating a disk. :-) :-) > simply do a > d/p/w 20001E78 109 > d/p/w 20001E7A 92 > at the VAX console and the drive starts to format. OK. The next step is > to write data to the medium and read them back. > [a bit later] > Ahhh, reading / writing and DMA from / to memory does work also. :-))) Excellent! If you need any more info from the GR manual, just ask. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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VAX 4000/300

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

I've just been offered one of these. I was thinking it was a size similar to the 3100 I have sitting on the VAXstation II, how far off am I? This past weekend I added a beige TI 99 with expansion box and printer, an Atari 800, a zenith easy PC, and I broke down and paid $4 for a Northern Telecom display phone. And got a lead on a TRS80 model 1. Still looking for a S-100.

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VAX 4000/300

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 28, Mike Kenzie wrote: > I've just been offered one of these. I was thinking it was > a size similar to the 3100 I have sitting on the VAXstation > II, how far off am I? Pretty far off. The 4000/300 is in a chassis about the size of a small end table. Definitely a nice machine, though; I'd recommend grabbing it. Contrary to popular belief, they don't pull that much power, and are relatively quiet. -Dave McGuire

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DEC AXP150

by witchy＠vorbis.demon.co.uk

> Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 17:54:07 -0500 (CDT) > From: Greg Linder <glinder(a)ews.uiuc.edu> > Subject: Digital AXP 150 questions- > > I picked up two Digital DECpc AXP150's from a buddy. He pulled the > ram, but they still have everything else. I pulled some old simms from > some other dumpseter trips, but can't seem to get anything to come > up. When I power them on, the LED indicators either tell me there is > problem in RAM bank one, or else all LED's on when I power it on with no > RAM in it. Does anyone have any of these things in an operating state? Can > anyone offer any advise on gettin these up? I have always wanted an Alpha > to run VMS on, and I think these will do it. Any advise? Thank you very > much! Hi Greg, I've got one complete with books etc, and I also have the Systems and Options catalogues that they were featured in. If you don't get any joy elsewhere contact me off-list and I'll get the info for you cheers adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum 0:OK, 0:1

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Cool brit stuff

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 28, 18:41, Hans Franke wrote: > Also no RISC machines in my heap (alas a > friend got several) I have an Archimedes A540 (badged R260, but it has a third-party SCSI card so won't boot RISC iX, only RISC OS) which I might be persuaded to part with. Maybe. > Of course an Atom is also on the whish > list, but here I know they are not common as flies. I'm still looking for the lower half of the case for mine. > P.S.: A nice (at least with manuals) GB QL would be > wellcome ... I have already a German, an Italian > and a Spanish Unit. I have a faulty GB one -- looks fine, just doesn't boot (also needs work on the keyboard membrane). All the socketed chips (ULAs, ROMs, processor etc) are fine. You can have it for cost of shipping/postage. I don't think I have a spare manual, though. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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UK

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> Besides, the UK doesn't seem all that well off according > to what I've read. Can't comment on the electrical aspects of this, but you're bang-on if you mean we're not very well off when it comes to finding classic computers :-) You folk in the US seem to be finding cool stuff every day, I'm lucky if I have more than a couple of worthwhile finds a year :-) Al

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WARNING! OT: Humor -- How it all began.....

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

>Subject: How it all began!! > > > > An old, bearded shepherd with a crooked staff walked up to a stone > > pulpit and said, "And lo, it came to pass that the trader by the > > name of > > > > Abraham Com did take unto himself a young wife by the name of Dot. > > > > And Dot Com was a comely woman, broad of shoulder and long of leg. > > Indeed, she had been called Amazon Dot Com.. And she said unto > > Abraham, her husband, "Why doth thou travel far, from town to town, > > with > > thy goods when thou can trade without ever leaving thy tent?" > > > > And Abraham did look at her as though she were several saddle bags > > short > > of a camel load, but simply said, "How, Dear?" And Dot replied, "I > > will place drums in all the towns and drums in between to send > > messages > > saying what you have for sale and they will reply telling you which > > hath > > > > the best price. And the sale can be made on the drums and delivery > > made > > by Uriah's Pony Stable (UPS)." > > > > Abraham thought long and decided he would let Dot have her way with > > the > > drums. And the drums rang out and were an immediate success. > > Abraham sold all the goods he had, at the top price, without ever > > moving > > from his tent. But this success did arouse envy. > > > > A man named Maccabia did secret himself inside Abraham's drum and > > was > > accused of insider trading. And the young man did take to Dot > > Com's trading as doth the greedy horsefly take to camel dung. They > > were > > called Nomadic Ecclesiastical Rich Dominican Siderites, or NERDS > > for short. > > > > And lo, the land was so feverish with joy at the new riches and the > > deafening sound of drums, that no one noticed that the real riches > > were > > going > > to the drum maker, one Brother William of Gates, who bought up every > > > > drum company in the land. And indeed did insist on making drums that > > > > would work only if you bought Brother Gates' drumsticks. > > > > And Dot did say, "Oh, Abraham, what we have started is being taken > > over > > by others." And as Abraham looked out over the Bay of Ezekiel, or as > > > > it came to be known "eBay," he said, "we need a name that reflects > > what > > we are," and Dot replied, "Young Ambitious Hebrew Owner > > Operators." "Whoopee!", said Abraham. "No, YAHOO!" said Dot Com. and > > > > that is how it all began. > > > > It wasn't Al Gore after all. > >

25 years, 2 months

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DEC RXV21 with 5.25 floppy

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 27, 22:25, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > It is no original DEC RXV21. It is a third paty product, "MXV21" made by > "MDA". There is all the stuff on it to make it a complete controller. > Read/write circuit, 2 x AM2901 with all the AM29xx stuff around it, > TMS4044 SRAM, ... It has the usual 50 pin connector for 8" floppy > drives. If I plug it into one of my QBus VAXen it is shown as RXV21 by > the "show qbus" command. Then it might actually have a formatter built in to its firmware, like the Plessey and GR ones I mentioned in my earlier reply. Several companies seem to have copied the GR system, and your description matches (though that's probably not surprising). On an RXV21, there are three bits in the CSR which determine the operation to be performed when the CSR is written to. The commands in binary are: 000 fill buffer (ie transfer data from host to controler) 001 empty buffer (ie transfer data from controller to host) 010 write sector (using the contents of the controller buffer) 011 read sector (from floppy into controler buffer) 100 set media density -- see below 101 read status (updates the controller registers with drive etc status) 110 write deleted data (like 010 except with a special address mark) 111 read error code (used to access extended status registers) On a DEC RXV21, the 100 code to set media density is only used to alter SD to DD or vice-versa (according to whether bit 8, the DENSITY bit, is set in the CSR or not). To do this, you set/clear the appropriate bits in the CSR according to which drive you want, which density, etc, and at the same time set bits 1-3 (the command bits) to 100. Then you poll the CSR until the TR (Transfer Request, bit 8) is set. When it is, you write the value (octal)111. The drive then rewrites the headers to indicate the appropriate density, and writes zeros in the data fields. The disk has to already have a valid format on it. However, if you use a GR or Plessey RXV21, and reply with the value (octal)222 instead of (octal)111, it formats the disk, which needn't have previously had any recognisable format on it at all. If yours is a copy of the GR RXV21 then it should not only be able to format disks, but will work with double-sided disks or up to 4 single-sided disks, not just two single-sided. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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ebaying microwaves

by witchy＠vorbis.demon.co.uk

> Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 01:58:15 -0500 (CDT) > From: Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> > Subject: Re: OT-Re: Microwave oven collectors? > > I always wonder if the people that have something like "This is > a RARE! TRS-80 Model 4 in perfect condition. You won't find > another of these in this fine condition ANYWHERE! Don't let > this one pass you by! It will sell high!" in their auctions > are either stupid, deceitful, or clueless. Esp. when their > auction is in the middle of about fifteen other items that are > exactly the same. I've a page dedicated to people like that on my museum site, which now should be compatible with all graphic browsers according to the W3C. Lynx I'm not sure about yet since I stopped working on a text-friendly version when I lost my job! It's at http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk under the 'WOW*RARE*L@@K' section :) cheers,

25 years, 2 months

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Ehman 19" B&W Mac monitor, free

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

Free to a good home. You pick it up or pay shipping. Located in Chardon, OH, about 20 miles E of Cleveland. Model number HMM-1900. I think this is the correct description of this monitor: http://www.griffintechnology.com/monitors/Ehman01.html It has a crisp paper-white screen. Input connector is a 9-pin D-shell with 6 pins populated. Although I was able to use this with a PC VGA card at 1024 X 768, it is *not* a multi-sync monitor. You can get it to lock by fiddling the adjustments in the back. When the machine boots or blue-screens at 640X480 you cannot see the picture. You can have the VGA adapter cable I built for this purpose if you want it. I don't know that much about MacIntoshes, so I can't tell you what machines it might work with. I needed a huge monitor for a computer I was building for a partially sighted neighbor, but then I scrounged a 21" color monitor, so I don't need this any more. -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117 USA Euclid Labs http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl

25 years, 2 months

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Locking RA81 heads

by jss＠ou.edu

Well, I'll be leaving tomorrow afternoon to pick up the VAX 8600 lot at Austin. I have a question regarding the locking of heads on the RA81s. When I've hauled one before, the owner already had it locked and ready to go. The status of the RA81s at Austin is unknown. I seem to recall that the heads should be locked only while the disk is spinning or scrapage of the platter will occur. My question is this: assuming the disks are not locked and there is no way to spin them up, should I haul them unlocked or go ahead and try locking them? -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)ou.edu

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0.156" edge connectors

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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Stuff to get rid of

by owad＠applefritter.com

The modems are $5 shipped each, both for $8 shipped. The manual is $3 shipped. Take everything for $8 shipped, but with preference given to anybody who just wants the manual. The modems are untested/unknown condition. Cardinal 2400MNP modem, no power supply Microcom MacModem V.32, MNP Class 4, no power supply Manual for AdSCSI ST Series, SCSI Host Adapters Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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Cool brit stuff

by witchy＠vorbis.demon.co.uk

> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:02:39 +0200 > From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > Subject: Re: UK > > And what's about all that cool brit stuff ? > > Come on, I wand an Amstrad PDA, and a Sinclair MK 14, > and of course all the other sinclairs, and the BBCs > and yea, I'm still missing any NASCOM 1 or 2 ... ther > is so much great GB computers to get ... isn't it ? How many BBCs and 'other' Sinclairs would you like, Hans? :o) I've got one or 2 spare.... cheers adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum 0:OK, 0:1

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classiccmp-digest V1 #612

by Chris_Feeney＠hillenbrand.com

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Sharp CE-515P plotter pens

by philpem＠btinternet.com

Hi, I've just been sent most of the manual for the CE-516P plotter (another Sharp with the same microcontroller/ESC codes) and in typical sod's law fashion, two of the pens have dried up. Anyone know of a (UK) source for these? What about the paper rolls? Thanks. -- Phil. http://www.philpem.f9.co.uk/ philpem(a)bigfoot.com

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Xerox Star

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> I was convinced after seeing the "Last Star Demo" a few years back (1998?) > that the Star interface was still years ahead of both Apple and MS. Wish I'd seen that. Yeah, ViewPoint/Star/GlobalView (whatever you want to call it) is still a long way ahead of what we've ended up with. I usually use GVWin on the laptop for docs etc, they only get converted to Word format if they have to be sent outside :-) Admittedly it's only become usable since the hardware has been fast enough to support it - a 15 minute boot time for VP on a 6085 is next to useless, but it boots in 20 seconds or so on a 400MHz laptop. I wish I could get hold of XDE (Tajo), that would sit very nicely in another volume of my GVWin virtual disk... Al.

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Vintage Computer Festival East 1.0

by vcf＠siconic.com

Vintage Computer Festival East 1.0 July 28th and 29th, 2001 Royal Plaza Hotel and Trade Center Marlborough, Massachusetts http://www.vintage.org/2001/east/ Mark you calendar! The first Vintage Computer Festival for the east coast of the United States is scheduled for the weekend of July 28th and 29th at the Best Western Royal Plaza Hotel and Trade Center in Marlborough, Massachusetts. The Vintage Computer Festival is a celebration of computers and their history. The event features speakers, a vintage computer exhibition, and a vintage computer marketplace. We showcase all different types of computers for all differents kinds of platforms in all different shapes and sizes. EXHIBIT YOUR VINTAGE COMPUTER Vintage Computer Collectors: we want you! Exhibit your favorite computer in the Vintage Computer Exhibition. First, Second and Third place prizes will be awarded to the Best of Show exhibits! For complete details on the VCF East 1.0 Exhibition, visit: http://www.vintage.org/2001/east/exhibit.php3 BUY/SELL/TRADE AT THE VINTAGE COMPUTER MARKETPLACE Do you have some vintage computer items you'd like to sell? Whether you rent a booth or sell on consignment, the Vintage Computer Marketplace is the premier venue for selling old computers and related items. If you would like to rent a booth or inquire about consignment rates, please send e-mail to <vendor(a)vintage.org> for more information or visit: http://www.vintage.org/2001/east/vendor.php3 HOTEL INFORMATION The Vintage Computer Festival has reserved a room block with the Best Western Royal Plaza Hotel and Trade Center. The rate is $119.00/night for single or double occupancy. Please make your reservations by Friday, July 6, by calling +1 888 543 9500 (or +1 508 460 0700). Ask for the "Vintage Computer Festival" room rate. VOLUNTEERS NEEDED The VCF is currently recruiting volunteers for various odd jobs the VCF needs help with before and during VCF East. Volunteers get free admission and other goodies. If you would like to volunteer to help out with VCF East, please send a message to Sellam Ismail <sellam(a)vintage.org>. TELL A FRIEND! TELL A FRIEND! TELL A FRIEND! We really hope to see you at the first VCF for the east coast! And remember, tell your friends!! Vintage Computer Festival East 1.0 July 28th and 29th, 2001 Royal Plaza Hotel and Trade Center Marlborough, Massachusetts http://www.vintage.org/2001/east/ Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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2.11BSD on PDP-11/53

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

Last night I used Warren Toomey's VTserver to download the 2.11BSD boot partition to a cold PDP-11/53 that I put together from the following parts: -KDJ11-PB CPU board from a DECserver 500 (bought for $10 on eBay) -Andromeda UDC11 MFM disk controller (like RQDX3?) from my 11/23 -Maxtor XT-2190 hard drive from a MicroVAX (head 13 bad, so only 130 meg) -DSD StackPac chassis and front panel I am not a UNIX expert. I need a place to ask ignorant* questions, and get meaningful and prompt answers. Is this the right place? Here are the first couple questions: At boot-up, right after it tells me about how much memory I have, it starts spitting gibberish. If I tell Kermit (my console) to switch to 7 bits even parity, I can read stuff again. It appears that the OS is changing the line parameters. Does this make sense? If so, where do I find the file with this config in it? I grepped for "stty" in / and /etc but didn't find anything useful looking. I still can boot RT-11 from the floppy, but when I try to boot UNIX from the hard drive it halts. I did "dd if=/mdec/rauboot of=/dev/ra0a count=1" per Steve Schultz's instructions, but it still won't boot. I can download Warren's boot.dd via VTserver, and type "ra(0,0,0)unix", and UNIX starts right up, so the only problem is the boot sector. It used to boot RT-11 from hard drive fine, before I clobbered it with UNIX. The only catch is that I have to toggle HALT and say "171000G" (there's a boot ROM on the disk controller) because the CPU boot ROMs at 173000 are some goofy DECserver stuff. Any ideas? I partitioned the hard drive with 4.5 meg at ra0a, 4 meg at ra0b, and the rest at ra0d. Was I supposed to disklabel ra0d as "2.11BSD" or leave it "unused" -- the instructions didn't say. When I try to newfs to /dev/ra0d, it gives me "not a character device". Here's ra0d: ls -l /dev/ra0d brw-r----- 1 root 5, 3 Sep 7 1987 /dev/ra0d I need a way to download the rest of the UNIX tar files over the console line. VTserver's documentation sort of stops after booting up the root image. Where do I go from here? Is there some built-in way of using a serial line driver like a tape, such as "tar xvf /dev/tty"? * "Ignorance can be fixed; stupid is forever." -- Jonathan Engdahl Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology Euclid, OH 44117 USA Euclid Labs http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl

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Digital AXP 150 questions-

by glinder＠ews.uiuc.edu

I picked up two Digital DECpc AXP150's from a buddy. He pulled the ram, but they still have everything else. I pulled some old simms from some other dumpseter trips, but can't seem to get anything to come up. When I power them on, the LED indicators either tell me there is problem in RAM bank one, or else all LED's on when I power it on with no RAM in it. Does anyone have any of these things in an operating state? Can anyone offer any advise on gettin these up? I have always wanted an Alpha to run VMS on, and I think these will do it. Any advise? Thank you very much! Greg Linder glinder(a)uiuc.edu glinder(a)ews.uiuc.edu

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%20F/A:%20%20T3200,%20T1000XE%20and%20SLT%20286

by zera＠nonstop.net.il

Is the Toshiba T1000XE still available? If yes, what is price. I can pay by bank transfer or bank check. I am willing to pay shipping. My old unit died -- both lcd and hd -- and just want a replacement. Have batteries. George Zborowski Ashdod Israel zera(a)barak-online.net

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Offered: classic magazines

by red＠bears.org

Kind of a random and eclectic lot, these are from my stock of library duplicates: Byte - Vol. 7, Nr. 4 Apr 1982 Human Factors Engineering - Vol. 7, Nr. 7 Jul 1982 Computers in Arts & Sciences - Vol. 8, Nr. 1 Jan 1983 Looking Ahead - Vol. 8, Nr. 2 Feb 1983 Standards (Apple Lisa reviewed) - Vol. 8, Nr. 3 Mar 1983 Mass Storage - Vol. 8, Nr. 5 May 1983 the Electronic Office - Vol. 9, Nr. 3 Mar 1984 Simulation - Vol. 9, Nr. 6 Jun 1984 Computers & Education (2x) - Vol. 9, Nr. 7 Jul 1984 Computers & Video - Vol. 9, Nr. 8 Aug 1984 Modula-2 - Vol. 9, Nr. 10 Sep 1984 Computer Graphics - Vol. 9, Nr. 11 Oct 1984 Databases - Vol. 9, Nr. 12 Nov 1984 New Chips - Vol. 9, Nr. 13 Dec 1984 Communications/Guide to Apple PCs Compute! - Vol. 8, Nr. 10 Oct 1986 Great New Computer Games Digital Research News (marketing flyer) - Vol. 4, Nr. 3 Jul 1984 Concurrent PC-DOS Home and Educational Computing! (VIC-20) - Introductory issue Summer 1981 Exploring the Rainbow Machine Custom Characters (2x) Olympia VIC-20 User Group Newsletter - Vol. 1, Nr. 5 Aug 1983 - Vol. 1, Nr. 9 Nov 1983 - Vol. 1, Nr. 10 Dec 1983 - Vol. 1, Nr. 11 Dec 1983 - Vol. 2, Nr. 12 Jan 1984 2x - Vol. 2, Nr. 13 Feb 1984 - Vol. 3, Nr. 28 Apr 1985 2x PC World - Vol. 7, Nr. 5 May 1989 Windows: the New PC Standard S-80 Bulletin and Classififed (TRS-80) - Vol. 2, Nr. 1 Jan 1980 Sync ("The Magazine for Sinclair ZX80 Users") - Vol. 1, Nr. 1 Jan/Feb 1981 (photocopy) - Vol. 1, Nr. 2 Mar/Apr 1981 (photocopy) Syntax ZX80 - Vol. 2, Nr. 9 Sep 1981 - Vol. 2, Nr. 10 Oct 1981 TRS-80 Microcomputer News - Vol. 4, Nr. 8 Sep 1982 Education, Color Planetarium Drop me email expressing interest. I have to move soon, so any of these which aren't spoken for will go in the trash. ok r.

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Bliss-32 Reference Manual?

by dbetz＠xlisper.mv.com

Does anyone have an extra Bliss-32 manual they'd like to sell? I used to program in Bliss while I was at DEC and would like to have a Bliss reference manual for my collection of programming language manuals. Thanks, David Betz dbetz(a)xlisper.mv.com

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Cool brit stuff

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Cool Brit stuff? OK, I'll take some ICL 29xx series, some CTL minis, some GEC's, and any other British mainframes/minis/supers that I have failed to mention : ) I do have an ICL 29xx reference card, however, since the guy who gave me my IBM 5362 is English and had dug it up rummaging through his stuff to find all the items he could for me. He no longer had any CTL stuff, unfortunately. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 27, Brian Chase wrote: > > Those sure are nice boards. They're quite powerful for video hacking, > > as well as very good at paying a good percentage of my rent for the > > past few months. 8-) > > Really? Well, I must ask what it is you're doing with them :-) I finally Selling the little buggers on eBay. They go for anywhere between $250 and $500, and I picked up about twenty of them for less than $20/ea. > got my hands on a NeXT 040/25 Cube, saved from the dumpster. Someone had > written "TRASH" in permanent black marker over every one of its six Oh, nice. This person must be found and killed. Slowly. > surfaces. As it turns out though, the only thing wrong with it was that > the internal SCSI cable was unplugged from the drive. Cosmetically it > leaves a bit to be desired, but it's a nice performer since I've upgraded > it to 64MB of RAM. Cool! -Dave McGuire

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FREE Stuff!! Pick up only!

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello, I really want to get rid of these two items! Cipher Tape drive (open real) Model C880340-96-15250 Part Number 961210-001 Option B I have the Q-bus card that will drive this beast, but no cables. The card is an Emulex TC02 Texas Instruments Professional Computer. It is the size of an IBM PC and uses the 8088 processor, but requires a TI version of MSDOS. It won't boot using standard MSDOS. It also requires a TI keyboard, and I am not sure what it uses for a monitor. I don't have either monitor, or keyboard. It is in great shape. Please make sure you email directly, as this is being posted to two lists. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA (Battle Creek)

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DEC RXV21 with 5.25 floppy

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 28, 0:01, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > Well, if you have a real RX02, it can "reformat" RX01 disks. > [...] > This is weird. Typical DEC. ;-) I couldn't possibly comment :-) > This means that all I need is to format a 5,25" SD floppy with 77 > tracks, 128 bytes per sector, and 26 sectors and it will work at least > as RX01? Yes, but get the data rate correct. An 8" disk uses twice the data rate of a 5.25" disk for the same density. And an 8" disk spins at 360 rpm, whereas (at least for SD and DD) a normal 5.25" spins at 300 rpm. That's why Mitsubishi used to make special (expensive) 5.25" drives to emulate 8" drives. However, HD drives normally spin at 360 rpm. > > Your RQDX controllers certainly can't do it. > Even with xxdp? Just dding the xxdp image with the VAX and using it on > the 11/73 would be easy. I have only one PC that is in working order > (my server), but the floppy interface on this machine is broken... No, I never heard of any XXDP utility to format floppies other than RX33, and I doubt if it's possible. The work is all done by the RQDX controller. RQDX1 and RQDX2 can't format floppies at all. RQDX3 can format RX33. You need a Rainbow (or a PC, or an Archimedes) to format RX50. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Digital AXP 150 Questions

by ndiablo＠diablonet.net

As someone else stated earlier, make sure that you're using true parity SIMMS - the machine will not run with any other type of memory. Another thing you might want to take into account (which stumped me for quite a while until I found the hardware reference for the system) is that a bank is NOT four consecutive SIMM sockets - the system is set up so that a bank is EVERY OTHER SIMM socket (that is, rather than the banks laid out as 00001111, they are laid out as 01010101). Hope this helps! --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net

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DEC RXV21 with 5.25 floppy

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 27, 20:37, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > I decided to write a NetBSD driver for the DEC QBus RXV21 8" floppy > controller. Unfortunately I have only two controllers, no 8" drive nor > medium. I thought that this would'nt be a problem, as it is possible to > connect a 5.25" drive to a 8" floppy controller. Yes, but you've not got a controller. You've only got the QBus interface that taslks to the controller, which is in the RX02 chassis. Unless what you have is a Plessey or General Robotics RXV21 (GXV21?) which connects to 8" that have an SA800/SA850 interface. That, however, is a very different animal. > But the medium needs to > be reformated. Now that I have the controller doc, I had to read that > the RXV21 can not format a floppy. It needs preformated media. Well, if you have a real RX02, it can "reformat" RX01 disks. I doesn't actually reformat them in the sense that is usually meant, though. It takes a disk already formatted with 128-byte single-density sectors (IBM standard) and rewrites the data portion of each sector (NOT the headers, which remain FM) as 256-byte blocks in MFM. > Would it be possible to use some other machine* with 5.25" floppy drive > to format the 5.25 media an way that the RXV21 can read it? You could use a PC to format a disk so it looked like a single-density 8" disk laid out the same way as an RX01 disk. To do that, you'd need a suitable drive, and controller that can handle 250kHz data in FM (single-density). Your RQDX controllers certainly can't do it. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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(2) Eagle II's in Dallas, TX, need new home

by vcf＠siconic.com

If you are interested in acquiring an Eagle II or two, Jim in Forney, Texas (just outside Dallas) has a couple up for grabs. Please contact him at <MrJazz08(a)aol.com>. These aren't free so make an offer. I feel $20 for a complete setup (computer, software, manuals) would be reasonable. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 27, Brian Chase wrote: > Another place they can be found is in NeXT's NeXTdimension board. The > accelerated color graphics option for the NeXT Cubes. Those sure are nice boards. They're quite powerful for video hacking, as well as very good at paying a good percentage of my rent for the past few months. 8-) -Dave McGuire

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Cool brit stuff

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 27, 20:15, Adrian Graham wrote: > > From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> > > And what's about all that cool brit stuff ? > > > > Come on, I wand an Amstrad PDA, and a Sinclair MK 14, > > and of course all the other sinclairs, and the BBCs > > and yea, I'm still missing any NASCOM 1 or 2 ... ther > > is so much great GB computers to get ... isn't it ? > How many BBCs and 'other' Sinclairs would you like, Hans? :o) I've got one > or 2 spare.... I might have a Nascom 1 to dispose of shortly. I'll want some money for it though, as I paid Real Money for it myself. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC RXV21 with 5.25 floppy

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> >I decided to write a NetBSD driver for the DEC QBus RXV21 8" floppy controller. Unfortunately I have only two controllers, no 8" drive nor medium. I thought that this would'nt be a problem, as it is possible to If you have the controller (the qbus card) you have less than 15% of an RX02 system. IT's only an interface. >Would it be possible to use some other machine* with 5.25" floppy drive to format the 5.25 media an way that the RXV21 can read it? No. RXV21 is dual denisty and the double density is a DEC oddball format using M2FM rather than MFM. Also the board that goes in the Qbus slot (RXV21) is an interface not a floppy controller. That "controller" is in the RX02 drive box and is a 2901 based affair. Allison

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DEC RXV21 with 5.25 floppy

by jkunz＠unixag-kl.fh-kl.de

Hi. I decided to write a NetBSD driver for the DEC QBus RXV21 8" floppy controller. Unfortunately I have only two controllers, no 8" drive nor medium. I thought that this would'nt be a problem, as it is possible to connect a 5.25" drive to a 8" floppy controller. But the medium needs to be reformated. Now that I have the controller doc, I had to read that the RXV21 can not format a floppy. It needs preformated media. Would it be possible to use some other machine* with 5.25" floppy drive to format the 5.25 media an way that the RXV21 can read it? * Other machines are QBus MicroVAXen, VAXstation 2000 and PDP11 with RQDX or PeeCees. -- tsch??, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 23, Jim Battle wrote: > >Yes. Was slow too ;-) > > Hey, now. I've actually used an i860. A 3D graphics terminal I worked on > in 91-93 used two: one for the control processor, one for the geometry unit Yeahh...the '860 is one hell of a number cruncher. Another place to find '860 chips is in SGI hardware. The RealityEngine video system uses eight i860s, and the RealityEngine^2 uses twelve of them. In each case they're used for geometric transforms. > I agree, intel has one butt-ugly architecture with the x86, but nobody in > their right minds can fault them for succeeding despite that. Given the > fact that they must live with the ugliness, their implementations are first > rate. ...and what blows my mind is the fact that, of all of their architectures, the one most unbelievably disgusting one is the one they keep selling buttloads of. -Dave McGuire

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Mildly OT : HP9x (Topcat) chargers

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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VAX Equipment

by dbetz＠vmlabs.com

I would like to find a good home for the following equipment. I'm not interested in making money off of this equipment but I don't want to have to pack it for shipping either. I would like someone to come by and pick it up or arrange for a place to meet somewhere near where I live. I'm in southern New Hampshire near Manchester. 1. VAXStation II/GPX (VS21W-K2) 2. VAXStation 2000 (VS410-AA) 3. External Hard Drive (RZ55-AA) 4. External Tape Drive (TK50Z-GA) Anyone interested in this stuff?

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Claim status on Female MMJ to 25pin male adapter.

by jpero＠sympatico.ca

Hi Everyone, A person have laid their hand on that adapter and I'm waiting for deal to go through so please wait for updates. Seems everybody is lazy over the weekend or busy with holidays. Anyway, enjoy your break! Cheers, Wizard

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IBM 3290 2 questions

by glinder＠ews.uiuc.edu

I was recently climbing around in a dumpster, and pulled out two IBM 3290 plasma display terminals. Accordingt to what I can find online, they are a beefy sort of 3270 terminal that supports split screen and other stuff. Because I don't have any IBM equipment to hook it up to, and I really want to see something pretty on the display, is there any other way to get these to speak to anything except over the BNC which is on the bottom of the screen? I have not actually powered either one of them up yet- They rode back to my house in the back of an open-back pickup truck, so I took them apart and am letting them dry out before I even try. They are built typical IBM-tough, and I kind of like the looks of them. They appear toe be about 19" diagonal, and they each weigh close to 40 pounds. The back comes off with these simple little springy clamp things, and the electronics iniside are pretty cool looking. Can anybody point me to any technical info on these bad boys? They look really cool. Thank you, Greg Linder glinder(a)ews.uiuc.edu glinder(a)uiuc.edu

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Synertek KTM-3/80 -- 2 questions

by elf＠ucsd.edu

Hi, I recently made a trade in which I received a KTM-3/80 terminal (thanks Claude W. !) Questions: (1) Does anyone know what the power requirement is? Claude mentioned he tried a 9V AC, 1.5A or 2A power supply - and the terminal produced "garbled" characters on the screen. It was not determined if this was due to an improper power level being supplied - or due to some problem with the terminal itself. (My circuit analyzing skills leave much to be desired.) 2) Upon opening the terminal, at one point someone had added a daughter card. It is of the homespun type, not a commercially sold option. The daughter card has a total of 8 chips on it, which are: N7400A SN74LS393N 74LS04PC SN74LS133N SN74LS02N 74LS04PC It has been so long since I used this terminal - I don't recall if there was some particular feature missing that would have been nice to add. Thanks for any/all info ... Eric F.

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Core Memory ID

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

That would be a 4K x 12 bit core stack, fits 8/I, various other negi/posibus 12 bitters as well, I believe. Definetly works with 8/I's. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Core Memory ID

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

It's a standard DEC PDP-8 core plane that was many be one of many subcontractors. However if it's 5 boards it's an older non Omnibus PDP-8. The standard 8/e/f/m omnibus memory is three cards with an over the top connector set. One of the boards would be G111. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> >I was looking around my box of old boards and >found a core memory set I've had since about >'84. It was a leftover from an old system >that had been surplussed. I think the system >was a PDP-8 of some sort, but I don't know for >sure. The memory set consists of a SENSE board >and an INHIBIT board connected to the sandwich >layer of five board containing th core. There >is a label with the following: > >EM electronic memories >a division of electronic memories & magnetics corporation > > 4KX12 CORE MEMORY STACK > 270321 47071MW > >P/N 906819-A04 S/N xxxxx >C/N TS906819A D/C 5272 > >There is an actual serial number, but the first >digit is torn. > >The plastic strain relief strips and the card edge >handles both have "DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION" >and "MAYNARD, MASSACHUSETTS" on them. The handles >also has "W025" on them. > >Is this a PDP-8 board, and was it an OEM part >supplied to DEC or from DEC? >-- >Eric Dittman >dittman(a)dittman.net

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Tektronix 4105 terminal

by chomko＠greenbelt.com

Is anyone interested in such a thing? I have the screen (no keyboard) portion of the terminal. My undesrtanding is that the terminals were hi-res graphics terminals (for the time) and quite expensive. The unit is quite heavy, and it is taking up space. I figured I'd try and eBay it if I had the keyboard, but since I don't I figured I ask here. Eric

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2.11BSD on PDP-11/53

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Engdahl <engdahl(a)cle.ab.com> >At boot-up, right after it tells me about how much memory I have, it starts spitting gibberish. If I tell Kermit (my console) to switch to 7 bits even parity, I can read stuff again. It appears that the OS is changing the line parameters. Does this make sense? If so, where do I find the file with this config in it? I grepped for "stty" in / and /etc but didn't find anything useful looking. Yes, unix likes to do that. Very annoying as that is not the standard for most DEC configs. My V7 system also does that. >I still can boot RT-11 from the floppy, but when I try to boot UNIX from the hard drive it halts. I did "dd if=/mdec/rauboot of=/dev/ra0a count=1" per Steve Schultz's instructions, but it still won't boot. I can download Warren's boot.dd via VTserver, and type "ra(0,0,0)unix", and UNIX starts right up, so the only problem is the boot sector. It used to boot RT-11 >from hard drive fine, before I clobbered it with UNIX. The only catch is that I have to toggle HALT and say "171000G" (there's a boot ROM on the disk controller) because the CPU boot ROMs at 173000 are some goofy DECserver stuff. Any ideas? Same problem, I have to boot foreign from RT11. I'd say their boot doesnt fit the expected pattern for PDP-11 (microPDP-11) boot block. >I need a way to download the rest of the UNIX tar files over the console line. VTserver's documentation sort of stops after booting up the root image. Where do I go from here? Is there some built-in way of using a serial line driver like a tape, such as "tar xvf /dev/tty"? Same problem. You need to send a binary file over a 7bit serial line. Allison

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Core Memory ID

by dittman＠dittman.net

I was looking around my box of old boards and found a core memory set I've had since about '84. It was a leftover from an old system that had been surplussed. I think the system was a PDP-8 of some sort, but I don't know for sure. The memory set consists of a SENSE board and an INHIBIT board connected to the sandwich layer of five board containing th core. There is a label with the following: EM electronic memories a division of electronic memories & magnetics corporation 4KX12 CORE MEMORY STACK 270321 47071MW P/N 906819-A04 S/N xxxxx C/N TS906819A D/C 5272 There is an actual serial number, but the first digit is torn. The plastic strain relief strips and the card edge handles both have "DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION" and "MAYNARD, MASSACHUSETTS" on them. The handles also has "W025" on them. Is this a PDP-8 board, and was it an OEM part supplied to DEC or from DEC? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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Microwave oven collectors?

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

FIrstly a word of warning. A microwave oven is by far the most dangerous thing you're ever likely to work on. The power supply can provide about 4kV at a significant fraction of an amp. This will kill you if you touch it. Not 'might kill you', but 'will kill you'. It is a _lot_ more dangerous than the EHT supply in a monitor or TV, for example. It doesn't hurt as much as a 27KV CRT EHT, or the 5KV (20A) sub mod supply. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp

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identify this cable?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

I've spent part of this afternoon sorting through my collection of cable, discarding (to my wife's amazement, and very likely to my future regret) things I have too much of (5m lengths of CW1308 phone cable) or will never need (very short lengths of ribbon cable, twinflex, 3-core -- why did I keep *them*?) I've found a DEC cable I can't identify. It's labelled BC99J, and consists of a 40-pin Berg connected to about 2m of black multicore, which goes into a rectangular potted box, about 6" x 3" and about 0.5" thick. Out of the other side of the box is about 4m of the same black multicore, with the end cut off. The label is date-stamped 12/6/78. Anyone know what this is/was? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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destinking the computers.

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

The problem trying to remove the odor of cigarette smoke is that nicotine is not water soluble. I once cleaned our families smoke eater with kerosene to remove the nicotine from the electrostatic plates. I don't remember the name but there is a cleaner used on electronics that's made from orange peels. pointer to degreaser made from citrus peels http://www.dep.state.fl.us/dwm/programs/p2/factsheets/6terpene.pdf More information about commercial product. http://www.ecki.com/vst/prdt487.htm Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu Electronic mail from Mike McFadden at The Children's Mercy Hospital, mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu. This communication is intended only for the use of the addressee. It may contain information which is privileged or confidential under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient or the agent of the recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify The Children's Mercy Hospital at 816-234-3454 or via return Internet electronic mail at mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu and expunge this communication without making any copies. Thank you for your cooperation.

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Manuals :Surplus Re: UK

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 06:54 PM 5/25/01 -0400, joe wrote: > Shoot! Usually they just pull and trash the hard drive :-( I don't know what happens to the books but it's rare to get manuals with ANYTHING that gets surplused. I've heard rumors that because of copyright laws (or some othe lame reason) they can't "re-sell" the manuals and have to destroy them. Does anyone know what the exact reason is? Yes, it's the software licenses. As a blanket policy to protect themselves from lawsuits, no doubt, all the docs and software is trashed. (I haven't found that Dumpster yet.) They sell PCs but without operating systems. This is a rotten situation all around. Instead of encouraging people to recognize that software is intellectual property that can be bought and sold, it encourages them to find the pirate brother-in-law who can fix up this computer for them in an evening. - John

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Apollo DNxx00 mouse?

by hans＠Huebner.ORG

Hi there, I've recently been given an Apollo DN 5500 (*) system which is lacking a mouse. The keyboard does have a DB9F connector, but I suspect that I need some special mouse. Can anyone tell me if and where I could get such a beast? Thanks, Hans (*) The type label of the machine says "Domain Series 4000", but the machine has a 68040, so I suspect that it is a DN5500. Please correct me if I'm wrong. -- finger hans(a)huebner.org for details

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OpenVMS Hobbyist still lives

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 25, 21:20, Megan wrote: > I also filled in the on-line form (quite some time ago) and have > yet to hear from them... I filled it in about 2 weeks ago, when I saw it allowed overseas members, and got a reply a few days ago to say I wasn't eligible (not for basic membership, anyway). So someone does read them, they just take a while to do anything (just over a week in my case). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC TK50Z-FA to -GA

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 25, 15:24, Don Maslin wrote: > On Fri, 25 May 2001, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > I have a puzzle. [...] what ROM goes with 23-116E5 to make the pair? > Based on the numbering sequence of other pairs (and beyond), it > should be either 23-115E5 or 23-117E5. But that is not too much help, > is it? No, that's the problem :-) DEC sometimes used odd/even numbers and someties even/odd, so I can't tell. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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UK

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 08:19 AM 5/25/01 -0400, joe wrote: >>The prblem with school equipment is the disposals policy. As they are bought >>with public money the requirements for disposal are very strict. In my area >>the policy is: >> >>1) Offer to other departments >>2) Offer to other schools >>3) Offer to other local authority departments >>4) Offer to charitable institutions >>5) Offer to staff > > The policy in the US is the same except there's no **requirement** to offer the stuff to the staff. Although mandy places do. And here, they're required to erase all software, and apparently any docs or disks also get chucked before the item is put up for surplus sale. - John

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OpenVMS Hobbyist still lives

by mbg＠world.std.com

I also filled in the on-line form (quite some time ago) and have yet to hear from them... Megan

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ADM style (and Lynwood and MICROSCRIBE) [was: ADM = ?]

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hey, I *like* the TeleVideo 910 much more.. Better color choice, I think. Not to mention its a damn sight more reliable : ) But my favorite all-in-one terminal has to be the cute little TeleVideo that also has a phone built into it (at least that seems right). I'm still kicking myself for the clean-up we did when was 17 and not interested in old computers yet.. pitched 4 of em, and 2 of those Televideo PCs, and all kinds of god-knows-what else.. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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ADM = ?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 24, Eric Dittman wrote: > I see ADM3A terminals all the time, in computer stores. > They are funny colored now, and have a detached keyboard, > and don't work the same. For some reason they are called > iMacs now. *snicker* I almost bought an iMac when they came out just so I could put it on a desk next to my ADM-5. :) -Dave McGuire

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Anybody need manual for Ampex 219 terminal?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I have an operations manual for an Ampex model 219 terminal. Does anyone need this? Free for the cost of shipping... -Dave McGuire

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Fwd: Just relisted DATA GENERAL DG Mdl 10 Computer System.

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi, Here is a Data General modle 10 that I just for sale on E-bay. The owner says that it has a dead CPU but it looks VERY complete and includes the original software disks and manuals. It also has four terminals with it. It looks like a nice item for a DEC collector (I'm not.) If someone buys it and wants to try and get it running again I also have a model 10 that I'll sell that you can use for parts. I don't know if mine works but it looks complete except for the hard drive is missing. Joe >Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:56:07 -0400 >From: "Signet Creative, Inc." <sctalent(a)mediaone.net> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >To: joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> >Subject: Just relisted DATA GENERAL DG Mdl 10 Computer System. > >Joe, > >We just relisted our Data General Desktop Model 10 computer >system. Here's the link to it: > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1240936666>eBay > item 1240936666 (Ends Jun-04-01 09:49:46 PDT) - DATA GENERAL DG Mdl 10 > System x 4 REDUCED! NR > >It's eBay item number 1240936666. I really appreciate your offer of >passing it along to others on your mailing list. As I mentioned, the >prices have been reduced. > >Thanks again, > >Doug Rossire >Signet Creative, Inc. (dadmr) >sctalent(a)mediaone.net > > >joe wrote: >>Doug, >> >>At 11:53 AM 5/22/01 -0400, you wrote: >> >Joe, >> > >> >It sounds like a good plan for someone, but I'm just not technically >> >oriented that way. The fix on ours might actually be a very minor thing, >> >we've just never investigated it at all. Thanks for the offer, though. >> > >> >I'm going to be relisting the computer starting this Thursday or Friday >> >with an opening bid of $150, a "Buy It Now" of $250, and again, no >> >reserve. I'm trying to get it down to where we clear something after the >> >shipping charges, depending on where it ends up going. Hopefully, someone >> >in a situation like yours will see it as an opportunity to end up with a >> >system that's more valuable. >> >> Let me know when you re-list it. I'm on a mailing list of people that >>collect old computers. I'll send out a notice about your system. Someone >>should be interested. For me personally, I'm tempted but I allready have >>too many old computers. >> >> > We heard from a museum in Germany that was very interested, but the >> > shipping charges would be about $800! >> >> Ouch! That sounds awefully high. Is that with USPS surface >>shipping? I guess the terminals really add to the weight. >> >> Good Luck, I hope you find it a good home. It's rare to find one as >>complete as yours. >> >> Joe >> >> >Thanks for writing. >> > >> >Doug Rossire >> >Signet Creative, Inc. (dadmr) >> >sctalent(a)mediaone.net >> > >> > >> >rigdonj(a)intellistar.net wrote: >> > >> > > To member: dadmr >> > > >From member: rigdonj(a)intellistar.net >> > > >> > > -------------------- >> > > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > I saw your auction for the model 10. That's a nice setup that you >> > have, too bad it doesn't work. However I also have a model 10 but not >> > software or docs for it and I don't plan on trying to restore it so it >> > occured to me that you might be interewsted in it for parts to fix your's >> > with. If you're interested you can contact me at rigdonj(a)intellistar.net. >> > > >> > > Joe

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DEC TK50Z-FA to -GA

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On May 25, 16:07, Rod Young wrote: > > [ Attachment (multipart/alternative): 1805 bytes ] > Does anyone have the necessary ?ROMs? to upgrade a DEC TK50Z-FA tape > drive to the TK50Z-GA? Or perhaps a dead TK50Z-GA that you might > consider parting with the ROMs?? It's one EPROM, number 23-261E6. It's a 27C256. Still on the subject of DEC ROMs, as some list members know, I keep images of the ones from boards I have, "just in case", and I have a puzzle. What are 23-398E4 and 23-399E4 from? And another: what ROM goes with 23-116E5 to make the pair? And for the sake of completeness (of a sort) here's a list of ROMs (images) I'm looking for: 23-031E2 VT100 terminal ROM 23-051L1 TQK50 Rev.D1 E3 ROM 23-094E2 VT100 extra chargen 23-095E2 VT100 extra chargen 23-096E2 VT100 extra chargen 23-097E2 VT132 extra chargen 23-098E2 VT132 extra chargen 23-116E5 KDJ-11B (PDP11/73+) boot Version 7 23-116E5 KDJ-11B (PDP11/73+) boot Version 7 [one of the last two lines is obviously a misprint, see above] 23-139E2 VT100 terminal board ROM 23-140E2 VT100 terminal board ROM 23-158E4 early KDF11-BE boot ROMs 23-159E4 early KDF11-BE boot ROMs 23-170E5 TQK50 ROMs, rev.1 23-171E5 TQK50 ROMs, rev.1 23-178E5 RQDX2 T-11 code, issue 1 (V10.0D) 23-179E5 RQDX2 T-11 code, issue 1 (V10.0D) 23-180E2 VT132 terminal board ROM 23-180E5 TQK50 ROMs, rev.2 (C1) 23-181E2 VT132 terminal board 23-181E5 TQK50 ROMs, rev.2 (C1) 23-183E2 VT132 terminal board 23-216E5 RQDX3 T-11 code issue 1 23-217E5 RQDX3 T-11 code issue 1 23-238E4 KDF11-BE (?PDP11) Boot 23-239E4 KDF11-BE (?PDP11) Boot 23-380E4 KDF11-BG (uPDP11/23) boot 23-381E4 KDF11-BG (uPDP11/23) boot 23-451E4 DELUA ROMs 23-452E4 DELUA ROMs -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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DEC TK50Z-FA to -GA

by rod.young＠wd.gc.ca

Does anyone have the necessary ?ROMs? to upgrade a DEC TK50Z-FA tape drive to the TK50Z-GA? Or perhaps a dead TK50Z-GA that you might consider parting with the ROMs?? The -FA model apparently *only* works on the MicroVAX 2000, and I'd like to connect and use this drive on my Vaxstation 3100/76 SPX. On a similar note, I'm also looking for the 68pin - 50pin external SCSI cable to connect the MicroVAX to an external SCSI device. thanks rod rod.young(a)wd.gc.ca

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OpenVMS Hobbyist still lives

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

>Your ID number would be on your DECUS or whatever they're calling it >now card. You have to be a member of Decus (free) to get the licences. I filled out the online form to renew my membership but haven't heard anything back. It's been said that they are going through a few changes so I figured I'd give them a little while. Jeff

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OT - Nigerian Pigeon Drop Scam( ship trivia )

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Actuall Nigeria is not a big country for ship registration A "Flag Of Convenience" (FOC) ship is a ship where the nationality of the owner is different from the country in which the ship is registered. Countries that offer registration of ships owned by foreign interests are considered to have what is called an "open register". Foreign owned ships dominate the flags of "open register" countries. The modern origin of open registries can be traced back to the 1920s, when the United Fruit Company created the Honduran open registry to ensure the cheap and reliable transport of its bananas. The Panamanian open registry came about soon after that because U.S. flagged passenger ships wanted to serve liquor during Prohibition. The Liberian open register came about during the "Cold War" because the U.S. wanted a fleet of "neutral" ships to haul its cargo, mostly oil. Some times it is even hard to trace down the real owners a FOC ship. Often in the register country the address for the ship owners will only be a Post Office Box. From there you must follow a series of front companies, often in different countries, before you end up finding the real owners of a FOC ship. Many large American shipping lines like the American President Lines are leaving U.S. flags and are becoming FOC ships. In 1998 there were 28 open register countries of FOC ships and 19,270 vessels over 100 gt, which comes to 22.5% of the world's fleet and in that year there was a 8.5% increases in FOC ships. Of the top 35 maritime countries based on real ownership of vessels not one of them is an open register country. For example, the true nationality of ownership of ships from Greece that are part of open register fleets (percentage of open register fleets) are as follows: Liberia 12.4%, Panama 11.1%, Cyprus 72.6%, Bahamas 19.0% and Malta 56.3%. Of the top six fleets of gross tonnage in 1998, five of the are open registers for FOC ships; Panama (6,188 vessels), Liberia (1,697 vessels), Bahamas (1,221 vessels), Cyprus (1,650) and Malta (1,378). The U.S. fleet ranks 11th in gross tonnage. . Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Antigen found W32/Hybris-B virus

by ANTIGEN_EXCHANGE-SMTP＠cmh.edu

Antigen for Exchange found dwarf4you.exe infected with W32/Hybris-B virus. The file is currently Deleted. The message, "classiccmp-digest V1 #609", was sent from owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org (classiccmp-digest) and was discovered in IMC Queues\Inbound located at CMHMAIL/CMHMAIL/EXCHANGE-SMTP.

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Hazeltine

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Oops, I meant to say Hazeltine 2000, not 1500... Sorry! I have all the manuals for one, and that's what made it such a neat terminal to me, especially the cardcage of 20 or so boards... Gawd, I'd love to have one.. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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What was the last ADM?

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Just out of curiosity, what was their last model? The latest that I know of was the ADM-11+, I had a dead one of those once. Will J _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Wanted: iAPX-432

by norm.anheier＠pnl.gov

I wanted to thank all that replied to my inquiry regarding Intel's iAPX-432 processor. It seems the main consensus is that Intel never released this product. If anyone has information to the contrary please speak up, otherwise I'll drop this from my collection list. Thanks again Norm

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ANN: SYM Manuals posted

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: Someone from Italy has been scanning the manual set for the SYM-1 board. I've posted the PDFs to my Web site. Enjoy. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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ADM= ?

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Async Display Monitor? Just a Guess The ADM-2 Service Manual I have decribes "ADM ready" lines #6 & #8 on the serial printer interface option. Sept 25 1974. 1920 8-bit words stored ADM - 2 Interactive Display Terminal. Lear Siegler Inc. 714 N. Brookhurst St Anahiem, CA 92803 Larry Truthan truthanl(a)oclc.org Digest Subscriber.

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ID this board: M7165

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 25, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > It's useless without the other board, and they're both useless if > > you don't want to run RA-series disks. Contrary to popular belief, > > not all RA-series disks are huge (14" platters) and power hungry. I > > have a stack of 1GB 5.25" RA73 disks that are rather nice. > > > > True, but another thing to remember is that the KDA-50 itself is a > power hog. It will not work just stuffed into an existing BA23 (or > even a BA123, I think). The only one I have running is in a sepparate > box with it's own power supply. And yes, I tried putting one in a > MVAX-II in a BA23 before I knew this and while it did no permanent > damage, it definitely didn't work and kept the box from even starting. Hmm...weird. I've run two or three of them in BA23s with the rest of their systems. Guess I was lucky. > Boy could I use some of those disks, though. I have RA80's, RA81's > and Fuji Eagles. I run them on both of my Ultrix machines, a VAX and > a PDP-11. Deals can be made... :) -Dave McGuire

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Mesa PrincOps Manual

by aek＠spies.com

> I've been after a copy of this manual for *ages*, does anyone have a copy? since wildflower is down right now, I've put a copy here http://www.spies.com/~aek/MesaPrincOps/00xPrincOps.html > Does anyone know what happened to the Wildflower site? I don't think the hardware survived one or more of Alan's office moves.

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ADM = ?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 24, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > I almost bought an iMac when they came out just so I could put it on a > > desk next to my ADM-5. :) > > You guys know the rumor behind the design of the iMac, right? Eh? -Dave McGuire

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OpenVMS Hobbyist still lives

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, Got my OpenVMS hobbyist media kit (= one CD) today in the mail. Still don't have any good idea what my id number (sic?) is or whether I have one - have never gotten any email at all related to OpenVMS from Montagar or Compaq. Guess I'll call next week to try to find out. Anyway, a positive data point for anyone still waiting for one. - Mark

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ID this board: M7165

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 24, Jonathan Engdahl wrote: > It looks like what you have here is 1/2 of an SDI adapter. Yup. > Now the next question: what is SDI? I'll assume for now that is was an early > approximation to SCSI, something proprietary to DEC. It has *nothing* to do with SCSI. SDI is a relatively high-performance (amazing for its day) high-level command-based interface that is used to connect to DEC RA-seris drives. It uses small cables that contain four pieces of 1/8" coaxial cable that terminate in an 8-pin Berg-like connector. It's useless without the other board, and they're both useless if you don't want to run RA-series disks. Contrary to popular belief, not all RA-series disks are huge (14" platters) and power hungry. I have a stack of 1GB 5.25" RA73 disks that are rather nice. -Dave McGuire

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The MESA processor architecture

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> One of the Alto instruction sets was an extended Nova. The MESA machine > is more like an HP3000 than a Nova. It is defined in the MESA "Princeops" > manual. Alan Freier had this on line at one point, not sure if anyone > saved a copy. I've been after a copy of this manual for *ages*, does anyone have a copy? Does anyone know what happened to the Wildflower site? I've tried mailing Alan Freier a couple of times but not had a reply. al

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No subject

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

> OTOH, usability folks would probably say that the functions of the > function keys should always be the same anyway. For most apps > that's probably true. Yeah, just ask the RAF's fighter controllers...

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Osborne Executive

by zmerch＠30below.com

This is forwarded (by request) from my Tandy Model 100 mailing list [m100(a)list.30below.com]. Please respond to the original poster, not me [he's not yet a member of this list]... Thanks, Roger "Merch" Merchberger >I just bought an Osborne Executive in great shape. I always wanted one! It >came with these manuals: > >- Volume 0 - Beginners Guide >- Volume 1 - Mastering the Osborne Executive >- Volume 2 - Working with text and Spreadsheets >- Volume 3 - Managing information with Personal Pearl >- Volume 4 - Operating System >- Reference Guide Binder with tabs for WordStar, SuperCalc, CP/M Plus, CBASIC >and MS BASIC. > >Does anyone here on the Model 100 listserv know if these ALL the manuals that >came with a new Osborne Executive? > >Also, unfortunately, it came with 4 non-original, non-labeled disks. It is not >clear to me what is on the 4 disks or the logic of them since I'm new to CP/M. >I know that WordStar and some CP/M Plus are on those disks. But I don't believe >I have SuperCalc, CBASIC, MS BASIC or Personal Pearl. I'm not even sure I have >the full WordStar and CP/M Plus. > >So I'm looking to get an exact copy of the original disk set that came with the >Osborne Executive. Also, I though it would be cool to get a picture of the >disks' labels so I can re-create them. > >Can you help? Is there a file list by disk somewhere? > >I'm assuming the bundled software included: > >- CP/M Plus >- WordStar >- SuperCalc >- Personal Pearl >- CBASIC >- MS BASIC > >Thanks a bunch. > >Chris >Chris_Feeney(a)hillenbrand.com -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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VAX bar

by liste＠artware.qc.ca

http://toyvax.tucson.az.us/~vance/vaxbar.html -Philip

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ADM = ?

by elf＠ucsd.edu

A search of terms (from archived material of comp.terminals & alt.folklore.computers, et al.) reveals nothing definitive: Archer Daniels Midland American Dream Machine Advanced Display Module A Display Monitor Advanced Data Manager Awful Dumb Monitor Absurdly Dense Minicomputer A Devil in Masquerade ...any former LSI employees out there to help solve this mystery? I've always felt this statement, printed in the ADM-3a manual, has only added to the "classic" factor of these baby-blue CRTs: Note: Lear Siegler does not service ADM-3A kits. If service or technical assistance is needed, your local Dumb Terminal Dealer should be contacted. :) Eric Will Jennings had previously stated: > I still prefer what my dad calls it: A Dumb Machine. I don't see why people > pay so much for those things, they're not even very good terminals.

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 24, Will Jennings wrote: > No, I was meaning why do they go for so much now.. They're certainly not > rare or for that matter, reliable. Not to mention that I find them ugly, > ugly, ugly! But that last part was opinion.. Still, if you need a terminal > today, get like a wyse-55 or something. Not rare? They're pretty rare from where I'm sitting. Not to be argumentative, but I've seen ONE (an ADM-5, now in my basement) in all my travels in about the past ten years. -Dave McGuire

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by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

I used them myself for the two years I went to college (the school had a PDP-11/70 I think). As for speed, have you ever looked inside one of these things? Late one nite, I had nothing better to do than poke around stuff in the computer lab; indide I found one *big* board, covered with what I think was TTL. No uP, all random logic, *no* processing overhead. Talk about 'real time' . . . .. On Thu, 24 May 2001 13:37:20 -0500 Tom Uban <uban(a)ubanproductions.com> writes: > At the time, they were fairly cheap in comparison to other "more > intelligent" > terminals, and they were one of the few which could keep up at a > full serial > line rate without handshaking. I worked at Purdue University's > Engineering > Computer Network back in the early 80's and we used then for that > reason. Most > ran at either 9600 or 19200, but we modified a few to run at 38400 > and they > could keep up with that speed as well... > > --tom ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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i432, i860, i960 (was: Re: Wanted: iAPX-432)

by ken＠seefried.com

So much silliness... 1) The iAPX-432 was released, and I've seen them in the wild. Why they don't own the computing world has been hashed to death but more articulate folks than I. They even show up from time to time on (horror, much gnashing of teeth, devil incarnate) eBay. You, of course, blaspheme against the Classiccmp gods if you ever look for one there, so we shouldn't even mention it... 2) The i860 was a fascinating little chip, but in a train wreck sort of way. In other words "it is horrible, and yet I cannot look away". The compiler was miserable, the doco insufficient, but if you had a wonk that really understood the beast, and had a single algorithm that you wanted to implement, you could achieve magic. Many graphics processors worked this magic. 3) The i960 was originally worked up for a next generation Intel mainstream processor. It's definition included MMUs, etc., and it ended up in one of Intels' supercomputers. Never quite worked out that way they hoped, though, so the MMUs got deleted and the i960 found new life as an embedded processor. There are a vast number of i960s out there in printers, network card, RAID controllers, etc. 4) XTerminals. Nice toys. Contrary to one posters opinion, there was an Xterm built around *everyones* processor, not just i960. I know of XTerminals based on VAX, 34010/34020, 680[0234]0, MIPS, 88000, i960, i860 & i80[2345]86. They aren't exactly rocket science. Ken

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'cross computer movers referrals

by mranalog＠home.com

"Bruce Ray" <bkr(a)WildHareComputers.com> said > moving companies moving RETMA-racked equipment. Are these really pre-1957 racks or is that a phrase of habit? Regards, --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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ADM = ?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On May 24, Will Jennings wrote: > Now give me a Hazeltine 1500, and I'm interested : ) I've been looking for one of those for a while. I used one on my imsai box years ago; I'd like to have one around for posterity. -Dave McGuire

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88RTC Docs

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I am looking for docs on the MITS 88RTC real-time clock board so that I can add support for it in the Altair32 emulator. If anyone has a copy they can scan for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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