- test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org - classiccmp.org

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, As promised, here is the list of EXORbus cards that I have... Any docs or information on these would be greatly appreciated! (Thanks to Mike and Joe for already replying to my previous post)... 1 MEX68WW Wire-Wrap prototyping Board (uh, well, I guess this one is self-explanatory :-) ) 1 CMS 9601-501 "Utility Buffer/Cable Breakout" Board (2 ports) 1 CMS 9601-503 "Cable Breakout" Board (8 ports) 2 Chrislin Industries memory board -- 32 4116 chips 2 Motorola Micro Module 1A (one has 4 2708 EPROM's, labels all faded) 2 CMS 9650 Serial I/O Board (8 8650 chips) 2 card extenders w/ test points 1 Micro-Logus P-VDG board (CRT-5037 and CRT 8002 chips, also 4 2016's, and 4 output jacks, coaxial, but smaller than say a cable TV coaxial cable. Also output jacks are NON-threaded. 1 CMS 9609 MPU board (6809, 2 6821's, 2 6850's, 3 2716 EPROM's, one marked "Debug 09", others unlabeled) 1 CMS 9609 MPU board (same setup as above, but 3 2716's marked "M9M17 #1, #2, and #3") 1 Southern Company Services SCSEVDG183, very similar to P-VDG board above, but w/ CRT-5027, and 4016's instead of 2016's) 1 Hodge Taylor and Associates P/N 040478 (all 74XX logic, no ideas as to function) 1 Hodge Taylor and Associates P/N 033178 (again, all logic...) 1 unknown vendor, marked "Interface Board" (2 6820's, 2708 EPROM, marked "D800" (very faded), 40-pin and 50-pin connectors on top) 1 General Micro Systems "Versatile Memory Module" (16 sockets, 9 filled w/ 2716 EPROM's, marked "IRCS 0.64" -- Also has battery backup!) 1 CMS 9640 Timer Board 1 Hodge Taylor and Associates P/N 12877 (2 AM2901BDC, 3 AM2909PC, 4 N82S2708N) Thanks in advance! Rich B.

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> S.C. a CDC founder? fantastic! > 205/LSI after the Cray-1? check. > > Ok, continuing after a "real work"* break. > What made the 205 get singled out for so > long as an a**kicker? True multiprocessing? > Did it beat the Cray-1? See also: http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/super-users-view.html

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> S.C. a CDC founder? fantastic! > 205/LSI after the Cray-1? check. > > Ok, continuing after a "real work"* break. > What made the 205 get singled out for so > long as an a**kicker? True multiprocessing? > Did it beat the Cray-1? CYBER 205 Overview of Platform Vector Architecture. Compute Hardware Architecture: ECL/LSI logic (168 gates/chip) Sequential and parallel processing on single bits, 8-bit bytes and 32- or 64-bit floating-point operands 20-nsec cycle time Scalar Unit Segmented functional units 64-word instruction stack 256 word high-speed register file Vector Unit 1, 2, or 4 segmented vector pipelines memory-to-memory data streaming maximum vector length of 65,536 words gather/scatter instructions up to 800 million 32-bit floating-point operations/second Interconnect / Communications System Memory System Memory MOS semiconductor memory Memory size: 1, 2, 4, 8 or 16 million 64-bit words Virtual memory accessing mechanism with multiple, concurrently usable page sizes SECDED on each 32-bit half word 48-bit address (address space of 4 trillion words per user) 80 nsec memory bank cycle time Memory bandwidth: 25.6 or 51.2 Gigabits/second Benchmarks / Compute and data transfer performance Performance: Linked triad performance on long vectors approaches asymptotic speed of machine. Performance can be severely degraded at short vector lengths (that is, the typical $n _ {1/2}$ is around 100), and if vector is not held contiguously. For this reason most tuned software employs long, contiguously held vectors. Operating System Software and Environment Software: Virtual operating system Batch and interactive access FORTRAN compiler ANSI 77 with vector extensions 32-bit half-precision data type Special calls to machine instructions Automatic vectorization Scalar optimization utilizing large register file Utilities Interactive symbolic debugger Source code maintenance Object code maintenance Networkability/ I/O System / Integrability / Reliability / Scalability I/O Eight I/O ports, 32-bits in width, expandable to 16 200 Mbits/second for each port Maximum I/O port bandwidth of 3200 Mbits/sec Miscellaneous Cooling: freon Dimensions: floor area (four pipe model) 23 ft x 19 ft footprint (with I/O system) 105 sq ft Notable Applications / Customers / Market Sectors N/A Overall Comments N/A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 1:49 PM > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: RE: Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ... > > > > At 12:18 PM 6/12/01 -0400, Doug wrote: > > > > >It appears that, at least as recently as August 2000, a Cyber > > >170 driving the Early Warning Radar System at Cape Cod Air > > >Force Station, known as "Pave Paws", was still in operation. > > > > > >Discussions were going on at that time w/r/t its replacement. > > > > > >This machine, sans media, disks, etc, might be a good candidate > > >for a future rescue (since it's military, they may want to > > >wipe the disks using hammers). > > > > Actually, they use acid. :-( > > That doesn't destroy data, it just rearranges it... > (yes, my favorite color is paisley). > > :-) >

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eBay as career

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 12, John Foust wrote: > Care to share how you've been doing this? What sort of > items are you buying and selling? Do you think it's been > profitable, if you consider the time per transaction? I've been selling some analog and digital test equipment, some synth and music-related stuff, and some computer stuff. NeXT Dimension boards, for example...I had about a dozen of them, and most of them went for around $400/ea. It's been profitable enough to pay my $1400/mo rent and my $700/mo car payment, as well as other bills...no "think" to it, if I hadn't been doing this, I'd be bankrupt...or worse, working a 9-5 schedule, being taken advantage of by suits and having clueless MCSEs trying to take credit for my work. I'm not bitter.. -Dave McGuire

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by jhellige＠earthlink.net

> But yes, it is rectangular. And big. I would give my right arm to >be able to restore/preserve/own a functional Cyber205 (or any Cyber >for that matter, anybody have a smaller one available?)...the one at >Purdue seems to have been gutted, sigh. At least a gutted one presents at least some sort of starting point on which to build and it it's the racks and panels you get, that's a bit better than starting off with nothing more than a single board or two. If it were a machine I wanted badly enough, it'd still be worth looking into even in that type of shape. There are certainly automotive and aircraft collectors that have started out with less and ended up with fully functional vehicles after spending enough time gathering the pieces. Jeff

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new source for ZILOG parts also know as diskettes without lab els.

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

When I need a floppy and I grab one out of the stuff box where the unlabelled ones live, I always do a dir first to see what's on the floppy. It's amazing how many of my lost files I find that way. I think the labels fall of and crumble to dust. I found a couple of 5 1/4 floppies with IBM DisplayWrite 3 files on them the other day. Some of the files were from 1984. One file was my resume. It's amazing that I was listing my accomplishments about programming in Fortran IV, and PDP assembly language. Our data was accessed in Datatrieve and we wrote Fortran files to create data sets. We were thinking about a VAX to replace our PDP 11/70. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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Any Dutch/Belgium Collectors ?

by stefan＠softhome.net

Are there any Dutch or Belgium collectors here that I don't know yet ? Just curious :) Think I know most of them, but hey, you never know ;) cya, Stefan.

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Altair 8800 front panel lamps

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I wrote once about this and it's annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop with the funky font shit! Allison -----Original Message----- From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, June 02, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Altair 8800 front panel lamps > > >Sellam Ismail wrote: > >> I recommend: >> >> Fire in the Valley (Freiberger/Swaine) >> Hackers (Levy) >> The Naked Computer (Rochester/Gantz) > >I found Fire in the Valley on ABE at >http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookSearch for $6.00 plus postage. A most >interesting book! Some of these books are getting a bit harder to find on >the streets.

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Next Megapixel N4000 low B+ or schematics anyone....?

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi I acquired a complete clean NExT slab and the Megapixel N4000 (yes the tube might be weak....still) monitor is looking like it has low B+ (87 VDC) I have no picture or apparent HV (probably very low) I hear a short HV crackling at power up....anybody have schematics for these or fixed a lot of these and are fimiliar with them so I dont hunt around for hours.... Claude http://www.members.tripod.com/computer_collector

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eBay as career

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 12, John Foust wrote: > At 02:03 PM 6/12/01 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > I've been selling some analog and digital test equipment, some synth > >and music-related stuff, and some computer stuff. NeXT Dimension > >boards, for example...I had about a dozen of them, and most of them > >went for around $400/ea. > > Were you buying and reselling, or selling old gear you > already owned? Buying stuff elsewhere (surplus places) and reselling it, and selling stuff I already had around. > >It's been profitable enough to pay my > >$1400/mo rent and my $700/mo car payment, as well as other bills...no > >"think" to it, if I hadn't been doing this, I'd be bankrupt...or > >worse, working a 9-5 schedule, being taken advantage of by suits and > >having clueless MCSEs trying to take credit for my work. > > Now there's something to flame about. It's not uncommon, though. Indeed. -Dave McGuire

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Free to good home: Compupro S100 system

by pcw＠mesanet.com

I picked this up a a local junk auction, but have no interest in s100 stuff, thought someone here might like it (to be picked up only -- too much trouble to ship - I'm in SF bay area) Compupro Rack mount system with 22? slot S100 backplane, 86/87 CPU card (8086), 2x RAM22 RAM cards (256KB each), System support card, 8 channel serial card, and hard/floppy controller card. Probably ran MPM at some time (might still!) Also have another rack that came with it with 10? MB ST506 type hard drive and 5 1/4" floppy Peter Wallace

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More PDP11/70 boards for trade

by anheier＠owt.com

Hi, I have some more pdp11/70 boards up for trade. All the boards have the mounting hardware. I have no means to test their operation, so can?t guarantee their functionality. Some of the capacitors etc are damaged by poor handling, but look repairable. Shipping is on your nickel unless trading components have similar shipping fees. Please email me directly, not on newlist. Thanks Norm anheier(a)owt.com MODULE OPTION BUS DESCRIPTION 3 each - M8728 MK11 U 64-Kword 39-bit MOS memory array (11/70, 11/750) 2 each - M8144 KB11-C U 11/70 cache data memory M8126 FP11-C U 11/70 fraction processor, high order M8128 FP11-C U 11/70 floating point ROM control M8132 KB11-C U 11/70 instruction register decode & condition codes M8134 KB11-C U 11/70 processor data & UNIBUS registers module M8130 KB11-C U 11/70 data paths module M8149 MJ11 U 11/70 memory transceiver card M7984 MS11-KE * 16-Kword 39-bit MOS RAM array M8139 KB11-C U 11/70 timing generator module (different board form factor) G066 ?? M6728 ?? I also have a box of DEC ribbon cables. Most have DEC part numbers.

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 12:18 PM 6/12/01 -0400, Doug wrote: > > >It appears that, at least as recently as August 2000, a Cyber > >170 driving the Early Warning Radar System at Cape Cod Air > >Force Station, known as "Pave Paws", was still in operation. > > > >Discussions were going on at that time w/r/t its replacement. > > > >This machine, sans media, disks, etc, might be a good candidate > >for a future rescue (since it's military, they may want to > >wipe the disks using hammers). > > Actually, they use acid. :-( That doesn't destroy data, it just rearranges it... (yes, my favorite color is paisley). :-)

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Ebay horror ...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 12, joe wrote: > Exactly! I doubt anyone on this list makes a living by selling on > E-bay. I have been for the past ~5 months. Not by choice, mind you...and certainly not forever...but it's certainly feasible. -Dave McGuire

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Please help me ID cards(32)

by hsappleton＠sprintmail.com

Hi All I have accumulated some miscellaneous cards from various sources and would like to get some imput from anyone who can identify anything below. I intend to use whatever I can and offer others for swap on this list for those I cannot use. I am interested in memory for my VAXserver 3100 and other equipment's and parts for DEC, HP and IBM workstation, but is open to anything you have available. If you recognize any equipment, please say briefly what it is and what it is used for and with what equipment. Note: Wherever you see NUBUS/VMEBUS or local bus,is because I do not know the difference, but by describing it like this I may help you recognize it Photos by request 1) JETSTREAM GRIP PROCESSOR BRD - ASSY 7527-0060 (has 2 nubus/VMEBUS) connectors on both side end of board - size 9.75" X 11" 2) GRIP RAM MK2 BD - ASSY 7521-8500 - connectors on both side end of board - size 9.75" X 11" (received this card is connected to above) 3) looks like 4 boards interconnected. the two main board seems to be ISA and both has what looks like one SCSI connector on each which are connected together by a SCSI cable. One main card has two other smaller cards attached. Both are made by CALIFORNIA DATA CORP. One of the smaller cards attached to it is marked MULTISONIC/PC ULTRASONIC INSTRUMENT. The part number for the main card is P/N C2859 REV D. The other main card is marked MULTISONIC/PC GATE BOARD. P/N C2863. Both main board has a 26-pin(M) external port as well as some small strange ports. Both are 13" x 4" in size 4) A small board measuring 8" x 5.50". Made by OMT INC. Model 5400, ASSY00060-13 REV T. Has what looks like a 4-pin pc power connector. Really looks like a small motherboard with what could be floppy/SCSI/IDE connectors 5) measures 13" x 4.25". This has a smaller board attached. The larger board looks like ISA.. Made by IMAGING TECHNOLOGY INCORPORATED. Both board are marked PC VISION. The main board has a 20-pin external connector. 6) 5" x 13.50" Identification marks are "STORK X-CEL KP0218-30 R727304" Has 4 "clip on" internal connectors - all varying sizes. 7) 13" x 4.75. I believe ISA. Has 4 x 30-pin SIMMs slot. Has 3 x PROMISE TECH chips. Has a bunch of IDE connectors 8) 5" x 4.50". ISA. Made by ANALYTIC DESIGN. I believe this is a video card. Has external 9-pin female connector. 2 x "sound-card like" ports. has a switch and dipswitch. 9) Made by IMAGE STORE 852004-2-B-5/4. measures 9.50" X 12" 10) measure 7.25" x 4.25. has a nubus/VMEBUS connector. Made by BARNEYSCAN AS-115. Has an external 17-pin (DB)female connector 11) 9.25" x 7". MEGASCAN TECHNOLOGY ITF-3102 VME interface. ASSY A33400. Has an external 50-pin connector 12) SEAGATE TECHNOLOGY. ST02. SL04. BIOS 3.3.2. 5.25" X 4.25". Has external 25-pin port 13) ISA board. ORCHID DESIGNER VGA. 835-0008-1 REV B. ORCHID 'S D-VGA version 9.4. D-VGA20326Has 2 video ports. 9-pin and 14-pin as well as a dip switch 14) PRODESIGNER VGA. ISA board. 830-0022-2/C1. ORCHID TECHNOLOGY. PRODESIGNER BIOS 1.2.2, 2.2.2, xl ROM 2.2. External 15-pin connector 15) MEGASCAN TECHNOLOGY FDP-3100 AT interface. A33300-B. 3101 BOOT PROM rev: 1.1. External 50-pin port 16) 13.50" X 4.25". RC ELECTRONIC INC. COMPUERSCOPE ISC 16. Looks like ISA. has 40-pin external connector 17) ISA. VERSATEC IBM-INTERFACE. A10-026546-002-A. 37-pin DB external port 18) SANG COMPUTER SYSTEM GmbH. 16 bit dual FIFO AT interface. MEGA-Link DMA. External 15-pin port 19) LYNX ATI REV C. ISA board. Has a internal SCSI connector. 2 x external serial port 20) AT & T DSP32C-DS V2.1 DGM/MEM/AAP. external 34-pin port and 2 x speaker-like ports. 21) ADVANCE TECHNOLOGIES RP88 RISC Coprocessor. Has 8 SIMMs chip installed (MCM84000AS) 22) Looks like either a NUBUS/Local/VMEBUS by Tektronix inc. Has a 13W3 port. Other ID Bt458KG080, RAMDAC, SN E30110 23) Schroff VME 1-0 BUS 4-slot. 60800 414. There is something attached to two of the slots by Quality Products Int' Model S1E2SP2-1 24) Intergraph Computer systems LYNX II geometry accelerator. CSMT3020B MSMT302 REV B. 25) Advance technologies RP88 RISC Coprocessor. Tektronix. Has 4 Motorolo processors and 8x memory chips (Motorola MCM84000AS ATATAM9201 80ns). This is NUBUS/Local/VMEBUS 26) I vaguely remember pulling this one out of an old Compaq laptop. It has very little ID. It has ISA bus and 5 external ports, which I believe are 10BASET, an 8-pin mini din, 2 ports that looks like speaker port and one "yellow" port. ID: CE168X. P500-0145-02R-HN019839 27) STORK X-CEL. ISA. Has external switch. has 4x memory chips which are soldered 28) SuperMac (NUBUS) ASSY 0007532-0001 REV B. S/N S-NB 502296. Has a chip that says "1003359-0001A Spigot NUBUS ver. 1.0". 29) has a 9-pin video port and a serial port. ISA. ID: A63 IVG-128, DATACUBE 26-00138 30) A 5" card by Raster Image Processing Systems Incorporated. LJPA2 REV A. Has a 25-pin male port 31) STORK X-CEL 4R727311A. ISA 32) ISA. WD7000 ASC. has an external SCSI and an internal SCSI

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 12, joe wrote: > >It appears that, at least as recently as August 2000, a Cyber > >170 driving the Early Warning Radar System at Cape Cod Air > >Force Station, known as "Pave Paws", was still in operation. > > > >Discussions were going on at that time w/r/t its replacement. > > > >This machine, sans media, disks, etc, might be a good candidate > >for a future rescue (since it's military, they may want to > >wipe the disks using hammers). > > Actually, they use acid. :-( Depends on the installation. I worked at a facility that burned them. Or tried to, anyway. -Dave McGuire

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2 FREE qbus boards

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello, Anybody want a KDF11-B (M8189), or a M7165 (1/2 of a 2 board set)? They are yours for shipping. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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WARNING. You sent a potential virus or unauthorised code

by support＠star.co.uk

The MessageLabs Virus Control Centre discovered a possible virus or unauthorised code (such as a joke program or trojan) in an email sent by you. Please read this whole email carefully. It explains what has happened to your email, which suspected virus has been caught, and what to do if you need help. ------------------------------------------------------------ Some details about the infected message ------------------------------------------------------------ To help identify the email: The message sender was owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org jhellige(a)earthlink.net classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (if this is not your email address, the message sender possibly belongs to a mailing list to which you both subscribe.) The message was titled 'Re: Old Labtam 3000 computer' The message date was Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:41:41 -0400 The message identifier was <01Jun12.124125edt.119041(a)gateway.mediacen.navy.mil> The message recipients were Lee.Davison(a)merlincommunications.com To help identify the virus: Scanner 1 (Skeptic) reported the following: Skeptic searching for 20 viruses >>> Possible Virus 'Exchange/DoS-charset' found in '669143A_0.txt'. Heuristics score: 251 The message was diverted into the virus holding pen on mail server server-3.tower-17.messagelabs.com (id 669143_992365311) and will be held for 30 days before being destroyed. ------------------------------------------------------------ What should you do now? ------------------------------------------------------------ If you sent the email from a corporate network, you should first contact your local Helpdesk or System Administrator for advice. They will be able to help you disinfect your workstation. If you sent the email from a personal or home account, you will need to disinfect your computer yourself. To do this you will need an anti-virus program. We suggest using one of the leading industry anti-virus packages such as McAfee, F-Secure or Cybersoft, which cost £15-£30 per copy. ------------------------------------------------------------ Getting more help ------------------------------------------------------------ If you believe this message to be a false alarm or you require further assistance, you can email Star Internet Support at:- support(a)star.net.uk or contact Star Helpdesk by telephone on:- +44 (0) 1285 884433 Please quote the following Virus Pen ID when contacting Support. <<< mail server server-3.tower-17.messagelabs.com (id 669143_992365311) >>> If replying by email, please forward this entire email. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call 01285 884400.

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Infocipher receivers

by owad＠applefritter.com

In a box of Apple II equipment from a school I found three of what I understand to be Infocipher receivers. Is anbody familiar with these? Do any services still exist that use them? I read the devices communicate at 9600bps and the one is even labeled "Desk Top Data Demodulator". Are these really much different than cable modems? Thanks, Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

At 12:18 PM 6/12/01 -0400, Doug wrote: >It appears that, at least as recently as August 2000, a Cyber >170 driving the Early Warning Radar System at Cape Cod Air >Force Station, known as "Pave Paws", was still in operation. > >Discussions were going on at that time w/r/t its replacement. > >This machine, sans media, disks, etc, might be a good candidate >for a future rescue (since it's military, they may want to >wipe the disks using hammers). Actually, they use acid. :-( Joe

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Old Labtam 3000 computer

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Here's an email I received today that someone here on the list might be interested in. He included a photograph, which I've not attached since it's being forwarded to everyone. Please reply to the original sender. Thanks Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------- >Dear Sir, >I have >LABTAM series 3000 computer, and like to sale them. I think is very rare >because I havn't find nothing in the internet about computer an manufacturer. >It is made in Australia 1984 or 1985 y. by Labtam international Pty. Ltd. >TWO procesors ZX80 and Intel 8086 >Second terminal with color monitor and keyboard >1Mb. RAM >15 Mb. HDD >Two FDD (8" and 5,25") >O/S - CP/M; Cuncarent DOS; MS/DOS 2.22. >Special interface for getting signals from elektroencefalograf. >Printer >Full technical documentation >30 pcs of 8"disketes with software > >If you interested in buying them write to me. > >Jonas >jonas(a)omgema.lt <mailto:jonas@omgema.lt>

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On June 12, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > I just read it last night, but can't find the reference; > > but the Cyber 205 was the final evolution of the CDC 7600 > > machine. Its peripheral processors were true, individual > > processors, as opposed to the 6600's single multi-threaded > > PP (one processor with multiple contexts). > > I beg to differ here...The design of the 205 was based on the design > of the Star 100, which predates even the 6600. I'm sure there was > some cross-pollenation of ideas and such (being the same company and > all) but they are different computers entirely. My corrected ost will have arrived about 15 minutes before you see this reply... This mailing list is entirely too slow. I need to be able to post a correction to myself before everyone else does! ;-)

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> About the Cyber 205...CDC started the design of the "Star 100" in > the mid 1960s. It wasn't completed until 1973, and being based on > 1960s technology, it wasn't competitive. It was redesigned in newer > LSI technology and re-released as the "Cyber 203E" in 1979. Shortly > thereafter it was renamed to "Cyber 205". This is correct, my previous post not (re the architecture). > But yes, it is rectangular. And big. I would give my right arm to > be able to restore/preserve/own a functional Cyber205 (or any Cyber > for that matter, anybody have a smaller one available?)...the one at > Purdue seems to have been gutted, sigh. Many of the later-model version of what was originally called the Cyber 170 series (it got renamed later) are still running and under support contract. It appears that, at least as recently as August 2000, a Cyber 170 driving the Early Warning Radar System at Cape Cod Air Force Station, known as "Pave Paws", was still in operation. Discussions were going on at that time w/r/t its replacement. This machine, sans media, disks, etc, might be a good candidate for a future rescue (since it's military, they may want to wipe the disks using hammers). -dq

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Mac computers up for grabs in Cambridge, MA

by vcf＠siconic.com

Here is someone offering Mac's & things in Cambridge, Mass. Please reply to the original sender. Reply-to: Baltimucho(a)aol.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:49:58 EDT From: Baltimucho(a)aol.com Subject: Computer donations Hi there, I've got some computers I'm trying to get rid of, let me know if you can help me out: Mac se/30 Mac se 2 Keyboards Mac Quadra 650 2 monitors Power cords I'm located at one camp street in Cambridge, Mass. I work at a management company called Fort Apache and we want to get rid of these items. Whatever you can do for me would be greatly appreciated. Thanx, Eric P.S.- if you need more information either email me back or call Ben at 617-868-2242 -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 12, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > I just read it last night, but can't find the reference; > but the Cyber 205 was the final evolution of the CDC 7600 > machine. Its peripheral processors were true, individual > processors, as opposed to the 6600's single multi-threaded > PP (one processor with multiple contexts). I beg to differ here...The design of the 205 was based on the design of the Star 100, which predates even the 6600. I'm sure there was some cross-pollenation of ideas and such (being the same company and all) but they are different computers entirely. -Dave McGuire

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Anybody want to say a word or two about 205's? > My recollection was that it was the first Seymour Cray > machine, probably about 20+ MIPS, probably fixed/short > electrical path, and probably rectangular (pre circular) > shape. Anything right? It was *definitely* not the first Seymour Cray machine. It's generally considered that the 6600 was architected by Cray, with Jim Thornton doing much implemtation detail. But Thornton tends to be put behind Cray in this effort, and: > Cray does acknowledge Thornton's authority and work on the 6600 in the > forward to "Design of a Computer." And it's true that Thornton was > the machine, and the design's, biggest booster both with the book and > the numerous papers he authored. I just read it last night, but can't find the reference; but the Cyber 205 was the final evolution of the CDC 7600 machine. Its peripheral processors were true, individual processors, as opposed to the 6600's single multi-threaded PP (one processor with multiple contexts). More when I can find it or point to it... -dq

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >On June 11, Tom Uban wrote: > > Call Purdue salvage and ask. When I saw it, it wasn't in the area that > > would normally be seen, but it may be available. Call (765) 494-4600 > > and ask for the number for Purdue salvage... > > Ok, I'm Southern Indiana, I'll see if I can't get some initial > information about this machine. I could fit a Cyber 172 in > garage, but nothing this big, so I want to help get this > into the hands of a proper preservation organization. Ok, It's already been mostly gutted. There are a few cabinets left, they've been working since it was decommissioned to recycle it for the gold, etc. They may be willing to accept a bid for the remnants equal to the salvage value. They'll allow anyone who's interested to go there and take photos of what remains. Thoughts? -dq

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Lilith schematics anyone ?

by jos.mar＠bluewin.ch

I just took possession of a Lilith workstation, including two diskpacks and some spare boards..... Alas the Lilith doesn't function . While it still might be easy to fix, I'd rather have some schematics . Are these obtainable somewhere ? In particular I need to know if the boards marked "URAM" and "DPU" are essential or not, they are missing in my machine. "URAM" is not the main memory, since I seem to have a complete set of memory boards. Documentation I did get was limited to a short userguide with next to none technical info. I would love to see this thing get back into life...

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Searching for /etc/mkdev from HP-UX 9.0 (HP9000/300)

by hans＠Huebner.ORG

Hi there, does anyone reading this have a running installation of HP-UX 9.0 on a HP9000/300-series system and would be so kind to send me /etc/mkdev from that system. I've just inherited such a system and am trying to back up the installation first, but /etc/mkdev and the device nodes for the SCSI MO are missing. Thanks in advance, Hans -- finger hans(a)huebner.org for details

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Motorola EXORbus docs needed

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all! I recently acquired several Motorola (and other vendor) EXORbus cards. Included are a couple of Micro Module 1A CPU cards, some I/O and memory cards, and two boards that almost look like video cards. I need docs for the cards, but I'll post the list in a separate message, as I'm away from the cards right now. My initial questions are: - Does anyone have general documentation on the EXORbus itself? I'd like mechanical and electrical specs, pinouts, power supply requirements, timing diagrams, etc. Electronic format would be awesome, but other than that, I'd pay copying and postage for hardcopies. - Does anyone know where to get the 86-pin card-edge connectors so I could wire up a backplane to plug these beasties into? - Anyone have any EXORbus stuff they want to get rid of? :-) Thanks! Rich B.

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Call for Resources for CDC 6000/Cyber 70 Series Emulator

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I'd say it's worth preserving. May I implore you to seek > > out one of the people who frequent this list who offer > > conversion services? Let's get it on disk, somebody may > > find one of these systems someday. Or might want to write > > an emulator... > > > > Sure, sounds good in theory. Who has a 7-track tape drive in usable > condition at the moment, and wants to try reading the tape? I didn't want to volunteer him, since he does this both as a courtesy for fellow hobbyists and as a business for customers. He says he's got a several month backlog of handling his customer's needs, so the hobby-courtesy work is even more way behind. Likely, you'd have to just send him the tape and wait a year or so before he'll be able to get around to it. But I'm sure you've seen Tim Shoppa posting here before, and he's one of the ones I know about. The guy I sent my 9-track to is having someone else do it, and he didn't specify, so it's possible he's sent it to Tim. Meanwhile, as a possible hedge against this coming up in the future, I'll be keeping an eye out for a 7-track drive, one that's of sufficiently-late manufacture that it can be made workable again. May have to design a custom interface, but that's just work... Regards, -dq

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Call for Resources for CDC 6000/Cyber 70 Series Emulator

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > Hmm, what are the odds... I just came across a small magnetic > > > tape from CDC, from 1975, containing CDC 8090 Assembler, whatever > > > that is... If the label is to be trusted, it is a 7 track tape, > > > contains one file, and the density is 556? > > > > We had an 8090 in Bloomington, front-ending a 3600; later its was > > replaced by a 3400. The 3400/3600 system was in turn replaced by the > > 6600 in 1970. > > Do you know what happened to the VAXen used by IU Bloomington in the early > 1990s? I was at Rose-Hulman at the time, but many of my friends were > going to IU. I remember there being a couple of VAX/VMS systems like > ROSE, JADE, and AQUA <?>. Yeah, those sound like some of the names I've seen, although that was after my time. But Greg Travis has an interest in these machines, his web site is: http://www.prime-mover.org/ClassicComputing/index.html But while he mentions the VAXen, he doesn't have pictures or state he's got one or more of them, so you might wan to ask him for further info. Regards, -doug q

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Jay West?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hi, sorry to waste bandwidth here. Jay did you get my email re the HP Extender? I've not heard anything .... --Chuck

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Talking 'bout shakin & quakin (was Re: Storage of computer an d parts in the residential area)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ObClassicCmp: What sort of computer systems have the US Geological Survery > used historical to monitor earthquake activity? They're probably still using an IBM 605...

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Ebay horror ...

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

>There are some folks who think dead computers are of value for something other >than parts, but I don't know very many. Give the sensible ones a break, will >you? I'm not saying that the PCjr falls into this category, but there are any number of systems that even if they're not working should be kept intact and not junked or canibalized for whatever useful parts you can get. This mainly applies to those machines that a collector is happy to find in any condition due to their rarity. Jeff

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Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> My own inclination is to view computers that don't run as projects or as > parts-supply, and computers without reusable parts as dumpster-bound. I'd never > want a machine that requires power I can't supply. I'd never want a machine > that I can't see how to fix, either. Once it's relegated to the parts bins, it > gets dismantled and put in the parts stock, right down to the screws and > washers, and the sheet metal goes to the scrapper or to the dumpster. At first, I was dittoing along with this, until I got to the PSU-I-cant-repair part. I understand the thinking, of course, but I can think of quite a few machines that would fit that bill that I'd take as long as I could find an *indoors* location for them (having noted the rust remark below). Eventually, someone might have the desire to acquire it and the means to power it, and I'd be tickled to have enabled that to happen. Do you *really* know people who keep mainframes rusting in the yard? CDC Cybers, by any chance? ;-) -dq

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M9202 Unibus connector inverted

by lemay＠cs.umn.edu

I came across some M9202 "Unibus connector inverted", and I'm wondering if anyone knows what they are used for? -Larry LeMay

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OT: Swordfish

by Demon02554＠aol.com

In the movie Swordfish there is PDP-10 cameo the "only PDP-10 still online, just as a museum...perfect place to hide my worm"

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Huge PDP-11 rescue opportunity

by jss＠ou.edu

Well, I guess it's time to let the cat out of the bag with this one... I've been planning a very nice equipment rescue in Seattle for some time now, but as circumstances are, I will not be able to afford the trip. I'd rather not see anything scrapped, so I am hoping someone on the list will be able to pick up where I'm leaving off. What we have is a *bunch* of OEM and third-party PDP-11 equipment. Here's an overview. There are two types of systems: old and new. Both were made by ATEX using a combination of DEC and custom hardware. The old systems consisted of, originally, PDP-11/34s and 04s. These were upgraded later on by replacing the CPU cards with with a single card with a J11 processor and a SIMM on board. The old systems are in black 6ft racks which have a blue ATEX legend at the top instead of the traditional DEC legend. Each rack contains one PDP-11/34 or /04 box up top and an additional backplane down below with gobs of custom ATEX cards. Each of the new systems looks a bit like two PDP-11/44s in a white 4ft cabinet, but as I understand it, they use the same boards as the updated old systems. The systems are "networked" using some special hardware that connects all of the Unibuses. They share a system of disks and a tape drive. Some of the systems have a built-in small SCSI drive and JAZ drive; these particular machines may not be available at the moment. Here's an inventory. Old systems (13 total): 9 currently in operation, 5 available next month 4 out of operation, 2 available now They're going to keep 4 of these for another year. New systems (8 total): 4 currently in operation, 4 available next month (?) 4 out of operation, 4 available now Approximately 20 hard drive systems. These were some sort of CDC 8" drive, but were converted to 300MB-1GB SCSI drives. The cases were reused. At least one Kennedy 9100 tape drive. Boxes of old boards and spare boards. As you might have guessed, they are still in the process of decommisioning the systems. As far as I can tell, each cabinet is being removed from the computer room as it decommisioned and prepared for shipping. The prepped cabinets are brought to a warehouse where they await pickup. The owners want $100 for the entire lot. If you are interested in rescuing this lot, please reply to me. The owners wish not to be barraged with e-mail, so I will manage the selection and briefing of the new picker-upper. I have a contact in Seattle that went to the location, took pictures, and wrote most of what you just read. I can send those pictures to anyone who's interested. >From what I can see, the equipment looks to be in pristine condition, having been well cared for in their computer room. I hope that it makes a nice find for someone. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)ou.edu

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Call for Resources for CDC 6000/Cyber 70 Series Emulator

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hmm, what are the odds... I just came across a small magnetic > tape from CDC, from 1975, containing CDC 8090 Assembler, whatever > that is... If the label is to be trusted, it is a 7 track tape, > contains one file, and the density is 556? We had an 8090 in Bloomington, front-ending a 3600; later its was replaced by a 3400. The 3400/3600 system was in turn replaced by the 6600 in 1970. I'd say it's worth preserving. May I implore you to seek out one of the people who frequent this list who offer conversion services? Let's get it on disk, somebody may find one of these systems someday. Or might want to write an emulator... Regards, -doug quebbeman

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PDP 8/e Help - File Transfer

by djg＠drs-esg.com

> From: Lawrence LeMay <lemay(a)cs.umn.edu> > See: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/pdp8/ > > The Software section contains wehat you need. The dump and restore utilities > contain programs for downloading files from PC to PDP 8/E, and you can > also use the send.c and rim.c programs if you want. > I have an updated version at ftp://ftp.pdp8.net/software/dumprest.zip It fixes some minor bugs and has better documentation. It also breaks TD8E DECtape, yet another thing on the TODO list. If anybody uses this to copy their media to a PC I would like to get a copy of the images to put on my FTP site to increase the available PDP-8 software. > From: "Rick Bensene" <rickb(a)bensene.com> > > > > It was working perfectly for the longest time, then, very suddenly when > > accessing either RK05 drive, I get errors that are kind of strage. I had an interesting one with mine, it started giving read errors on existing packs but worked fine if you formatted a pack in the drive. A counter failed so the the header words were written to the wrong location. > > I need to somehow get the MAINDEC RK8E diagnostic loaded onto the machine > > to try to see what is going on with the disk controller. > > If you need more help email me. I have run them by boot/pt and sending paper tape images through the serial port. David Gesswein http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights.

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decus lives!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

At least in the UK anyway. The recent flurry of DECUS complaints on here made me wonder what had happened to my own membership - sure enough it expired last month so they're wanting another 25 english pounds off me. Thing is, is it still worth it to be a member? I haven't been to the seminars etc for *years* and don't have a requirement for hobbyist kits or anything like that...... thoughts? -- Adrian Graham MCSE/ASE/MCP C CAT Limited Gubbins: http://www.ccat.co.uk (work) <http://www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk> (home) <http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk> (The Online Computer Museum) 0/0

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Data General Eclipse in Tumwater, WA

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

Any DG collectors in the Northwest? This looks like a good find. The owner's original ad said: "Data General Eclipse mainframe with peripherals. Will consider donation to non-profit organization." Bobby Johnson, Miller Brewing Company Phone: (360)754-5072 Fax: (360)754-5166 E-Mail: johnson.bobby.m(a)mbco.com and I know he wants to get rid of the system, because he asked me to post a notice to the list. No information from him yet about size, weight, or running condition, but I imagine the system is in good condition. Please contact the owner, not me! -- Derek

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OT But...

by broth＠heathers.stdio.com

I know this is off topic but I just replaced my LRP router with a software package called smoothwall. Its still Linux with complete control through a java enabled browser with status, network, and firewall logging. Lots of features and free. Awsome. Check it out. http://www.smoothwall.org Brian. -- Brian Roth - System Administrator www.webwirz.com - Old Computer Repository Preoccupation is my main occupation.....

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Books wanted

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: I'm looking for the following books: "DOS Internals" by Geoff Chappell "DOS and Windows Protected Mode Programming" by Al WIlliams "Advanced MSDOS Programming" by Ray Duncan If anyone has these, please let me know off-list so that we can work a deal. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Sol-20 and Helios pleas

by r.stek＠snet.net

Jim - Ask and ye shall receive, knock and the Helios manual and disks shall be made available... I have the manual and lots of PT-DOS disks. I have never had the opportunity to try them on my Helios. In fact a recent major accomplishment has been getting the Helios out of storage for possible display at VCF East. I am afraid all that my schedule will allow is seeing if it works when connected to my Sol (and I may not have time to do that for a few more weeks). But you are certainly welcome to borrow the manual and disks - the manual is about more than twice the size of the Sol manual. I could have a copy shop do it here, but it would probably run into BIG BUCKS, and I don't have the time to do it at work. But if you want to borrow them, they are yours for the asking. With all your work on Solace, I don't know anyone who would appreciate (or deserve) them more. And, Doug, it was me who contacted Stan a year after he dumped his Sols (and now he is S-O-L). About two years ago I did send out a mailing to about 150 names and addresses I culled from the Proteus News and tried to find via web-based phone directories. I eventually made contact via email with 3 or 4 who still had their machines .... And promptly lost their addresses after a major system crash and prior to a backup (been there, done that). Your Sol-brother, Bob Saver of Lost Sols

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >> >Do you *really* know people who keep mainframes rusting > >> >in the yard? CDC Cybers, by any chance? > >On June 11, Tom Uban wrote: > >> Not too long ago (and perhaps still) the CDC Cyber 205 was complete and > >> sitting in one of the Purdue University salvage buildings. This is a *BIG* > >> machine and would require some serious space, power, etc. > >> > >> The machine has a panel on it which there are the signatures of many > >> people. I think they are the signatures of the installers, maintainers, > >> etc. > At 04:23 PM 6/11/01 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > Uhhhh...ahhh....a Cyber205? 8-) That's a VERY historically important > >machine in my opinion. > > > > I'd been deleting these messages as yet-another-ebay-related-flame > >but this message caught my attention. If there's a complete Cyber 205 > >in existence anywhere, I'd sure like to know about it. What is the > >status of this machine? Is it available? Anybody know? >On June 11, Tom Uban wrote: > Call Purdue salvage and ask. When I saw it, it wasn't in the area that > would normally be seen, but it may be available. Call (765) 494-4600 > and ask for the number for Purdue salvage... Ok, I'm Southern Indiana, I'll see if I can't get some initial information about this machine. I could fit a Cyber 172 in garage, but nothing this big, so I want to help get this into the hands of a proper preservation organization. If anyone has any advice, I'm all ears... -dq

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EPROM replacement and other helpful hints, was Re: IMSAI EPROMS

by jweder＠telusplanet.net

Thanks Mike... Not a bad idea, using switches, but Godbout thought about that 23 years ago! ;o) This EconoROM board has 4 banks of chips already, switch selectable. You can have any one or a combination enabled at once, and set the addresses individually. So I could easily use four 2732's or whatever, one for each bank. Though adding further switches would allow even larger chips to be fully used. Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

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OT - Scheduling/Macro Software

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 03:03 PM 6/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I would like to be able to schedule a web browser to go to a site, capture >the page, >and save it to a file automatically once an hour. Off hand, I don't of >anything that will do this; any ideas? Thanks. unix: cron + wget

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Call for Resources for CDC 6000/Cyber 70 Series Emulator

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 05:42 PM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote: >contains one file, and the density is 556? old 7-track, 200, 556, 800. those were gentler times.

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Parting out systems

by mbbrutman＠yahoo.com

I've bought pieces of systems instead of entire systems too, and I was happy to find the one or two oddball pieces that I did find. (The most memorable one was a 64KB L2 cache module for an older Compaq desktop.) However, the thing that bugs me about this particular seller and this set of auctions is that I got the impression that this was a perfectly working machine, and that it was just cut up for parts because even if only two parts are sold, that's worth more than entire systems typically go for. What do you think happens to the parts that don't sell? Maybe they'll wind up on Ebay again, or more likely, they'll get junked. The seller made their money on the first overpriced part they sold, so there is no incentive to take care of the rest of the parts that don't sell. Think about entropy for a minute .. once the discrete pieces are split, it's harder to re-aquire them and reassemble the machine. So anyway, as a collector I'm a little miffed by it. The seller's response wasn't rude - or at least is was a rude as my unsolicited advice. ;-) As a capitalist, it's the best route. I tend to side with the collectors more, so I'm a little sad to see a machine cut up for parts like this. The motherboard really should have been kept with the keyboard I/R receiver - they're not really discrete parts. That just shows me the person doesn't know about the machine, nor cares. And pity the buyer that doesn't know the going price for a standard PCjr is about $10. This guy is selling indivual pieces for $6.99 or so. I'll crawl back to my hole now. ;-) Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Storage of computer and parts in the residential area

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:26:09 -0400 "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com> writes: > there. I dropped a Cipher880MTU from 6' once. It did a China > syndrome through the table below it down to the concrete. > This computer stuff is pretty dangerous. > (At least in Earth's gravity <g>) Or in California where the damned ground won't hold still . . .:^) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Call for Resources for CDC 6000/Cyber 70 Series Emulator

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> The cool games mainly came out of Minnesota, especially from the state > high school cyber mainframe (MECC, Minnesota Educational Computer Consortium). > Empire, Sceptre of Goth, many combat games, etc, etc. On the University > cybers, we had Karnath, and other similar multi-user mazes of monsters. > And of course if you could wrangle access to the real CDC systems downtown > at the corporate headquarters, you could play Avatar. My first exposure to MECC was post-college; MECC had converted a huge base of BASIC programs to run on one of those Wang suitcase-portable BASIC systems; I had to convert the programs to run under Primos' BASIC/VM. > The university wrote some really nice compilers. MNF (Minnesota Fortran) > and a really nice Pascal compiler, both with Post-Mortem Dump facilties > that made debugging code very easy. When the program aborted, it would > print a table explaining what function/subroutine name it aborted on, > what line number, and a printout of variable names and values. If i recall, > it would also print the source code line as well. The Pascal came with a > very extensive set of library routines, I even convinced em to add some > functions to allow me to properly manipulate direct-access files for > a communication system I wrote for a game i never completed, though it > was later added to someone elses game. Yeah, MNF was pretty cool, I wish I still had my manual! However, I didn't know they spun a Pascal compiler; strange, I was a PUG Charter member... Regards, -doug q

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Data Rescue Needed - DG 30 cartridge tapes

by raukland＠mfmr.gov.na

Dear All Hello, I am based in Namibia and work for the Southern African Development Community (SADC) through UK based development aid to assist in data Management. I seek your advice in rescuing some data which is important for World Climate studies and Namibia's economy. I will try to keep this concise- the details are all through 2nd/3rd hand contact and sketchy: In 1990 Namibia gained independance from South Africa. A group of inexperienced Namibians inherited 8 cartridge tapes, allegedly for a DG30 which have subsequently been lost (many have tried to find them, they are gone). A copy of the tapes exists in South Africa. There are 8 tapes and no machines to run them on either in SA or here. Attempts have been made to read them by fisheries scientists in France which failed (I do not know the details). As far as I can ascertain a DG30 is a Data General Desktop model DG 014-000767-01 (???) I know nothing about these machines and would appreciate some links. The tapes were written in 1988. They contain data in a 'datasensitive file' (whatever that means) with 80 characters per record and fixed record length files. Why are they impt? They contain data from fisheries activities in the environmentally chaotic Benguela current region for between 1950-1987 for impt pelagic fish species (sardine). Getting this data into a more usable format will enable; 1. A better understanding of fish-environmental interactions in the face of global climate change and human impacts. 2. Provide an increased time series for fisheries modelling, thereby assisting in developing Namibias economy (of which Fisheries is the 2nd most impt). The sardine stock is currently at an all time low and employment has suffered. 3. could potentially improve protein supply to central africa. If anyone knows how this v.impt data could be rescued I would be grateful. Please contact me below. Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Aukland BENEFIT Office, c/o NatMIRC, P.O. Box 912, Swakopmund, Namibia Tel: +264 (0)64 4101163 (NOTE NEW NUMBER) Fax: +264 (0)64 405913 WWW: http://www.benefit.org.na Email: raukland(a)mfmr.gov.na

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2 FREE qbus boards

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 11, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > Anybody want a KDF11-B (M8189), or a M7165 (1/2 of a 2 board set)? They > > are yours for shipping. > > Is that 1/2 of an RLV11? 1/2 of a KDA50. -Dave McGuire

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Cyber205 was RE: Ebay horror ...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Uhhhh...ahhh....a Cyber205? 8-) That's a VERY historically important machine in my opinion. I'd been deleting these messages as yet-another-ebay-related-flame but this message caught my attention. If there's a complete Cyber 205 in existence anywhere, I'd sure like to know about it. What is the status of this machine? Is it available? Anybody know? -Dave McGuire On June 11, Tom Uban wrote: > Not too long ago (and perhaps still) the CDC Cyber 205 was complete and > sitting in one of the Purdue University salvage buildings. This is a *BIG* > machine and would require some serious space, power, etc. > > The machine has a panel on it which there are the signatures of many > people. I think they are the signatures of the installers, maintainers, > etc. > > --tom > > >Do you *really* know people who keep mainframes rusting > >in the yard? CDC Cybers, by any chance? > > > >;-) > > > >-dq > > > >

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Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Not too long ago (and perhaps still) the CDC Cyber 205 was complete and > sitting in one of the Purdue University salvage buildings. This is a *BIG* > machine and would require some serious space, power, etc. > > The machine has a panel on it which there are the signatures of many > people. I think they are the signatures of the installers, > maintainers, etc. Do you have connections there? The first programming environment I used was ALFIE- Algebraic Language for an Interactive Environment. It was a subsystem running under Dual-MACE that provided a superset of BASIC, adding FORTRAN-like formatting. I really enjoyed running it on the ASR33s... GOOD MORNING.<DING><DING> THIS IS ALFIE.<DING><DING> Of course, morning would be replaced by afternoon and evening at the appropriate times. I also ran it on some NCR ttys and the first of many Silent 700s I've used, but it never sounded quite the same. Anyway, I'd love to get a copy of the source, if it still exists in an archive. It'll take some modifications to get it running under Kronos, but that's just work. So if you can direct me to the right person, I'd really appreciate it. Ditto for anyone who might know about the 205... Regards, -dq

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Ebay horror ...

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

Not too long ago (and perhaps still) the CDC Cyber 205 was complete and sitting in one of the Purdue University salvage buildings. This is a *BIG* machine and would require some serious space, power, etc. The machine has a panel on it which there are the signatures of many people. I think they are the signatures of the installers, maintainers, etc. --tom >Do you *really* know people who keep mainframes rusting >in the yard? CDC Cybers, by any chance? > >;-) > >-dq > >

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Will trade classic H/W for CP/M 2.2 help!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Lance Costanzo <lance(a)costanzo.net> >Speaking of CP/M and DRI, here's some web sites that may be of interest: >http://www2.gol.com/users/joewein/dri.html >http://members.iinet.net.au/~daveb/cpm/index.html >http://www.faqs.org/faqs/CPM-faq/ >http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/ >http://members.aol.com/wwheco1/commscpm.htm >http://www.maxframe.com/GARY&CPM.HTM >http://www.daml.org/people/jflynn/algolm.html You can also get CP/M source and binaries, and online docs at http://www/cpm.z80.de >>You can buy a "new" licensed copy of CP/M (the original DR version) from >>California Digital for only $9 at http://www.cadigital.com/software.htm. It >>won't be set up for your particular computer, though, but does have the DR >>manuals. only $9 and you get a manual? dang! The manuals are a good deal alone. Allison

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Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Maybe the way to stem this trend is to make it known that there are people who'd > pay MORE for the complete units than the parts will bring. If that's not the > case, ... well ... Agreed... -dq

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Talking 'bout shakin & quakin (was Re: Storage of computer an d parts in the residential area)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Yes, Missouri. <begin nitpick mode> Also, it was the Mississippi River (which diverted into an area where the ground fell), forming Reelfoot Lake, and the year was 1811 (there were also quakes in 1812). <end nitpick mode> The main quake was felt over all of the US east of the Rocky Mountains. -----Original Message----- From: Vance Dereksen [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 1:24 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Talking 'bout shakin & quakin (was Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential area) I believe the New Madrid fault is in Missouri. Peace... Sridhar On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, John Lawson wrote: > > IIRC, the largest US quake (of which we have reliable evidence) in the > last 150 years was on the New Madrid fault in (I think) Tennessee, which > changed the course of the Ohio River. It was approaching a 9.0 R. > > So California can not claim to have *all* the fun. > > Cheers > > John > > >

25 years, 4 months

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Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I'm so mad. I'm watching on Ebay now as a greedy seller takes > > apart a PCjr, and parts out the individual pieces for obscene > > amounts of money compared the the cost of an intact system > > unit. > > Have you noticed the seller that is splitting up IBM 360 and > CDC cores and selling them one board at a time? If that's the same ad (CDC) I saw, he is at least offering full stacks, at the [StackSize] * CostPerStack price. -dq

25 years, 4 months

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FW: Microvax II

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Here's an email I got today. Any help anybody could provide the person would be greatly appreciated, as I don't have the material myself. Please reply to the original sender directly. Jeff ---------- >From: "Sean & Donna Campbell" <jcdc(a)danah.com> >To: <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> >Subject: Microvax II >Date: Mon, Jun 11, 2001, 2:16 PM > >Dear Jeff >With reference to you article on Microvax II do you happen to have or know >where I could get access to a circuit diagram for the ASTEC power supply >Model no AA13010 that is inside the Microvax. >Many thanks >Sean Campbell

25 years, 4 months

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Ebay horror ...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >There are some folks who think dead computers are of value for something other > >than parts, but I don't know very many. Give the sensible ones a break, will > >you? > > I'm not saying that the PCjr falls into this category, but there are any > number of systems that even if they're not working should be kept intact and > not junked or canibalized for whatever useful parts you can get. This > mainly applies to those machines that a collector is happy to find in any > condition due to their rarity. Yeah, I was really pissed when a breaker beat me out of a local PDP-11/73 last year. Enough that I almost tried to talk the seller out of selling to me anyway, thinking I'd have to offer him some kind of sweetener for the deal so living with a bad E-Bay rep wouldn't bother him so much. Had it been an 11/40, 11/45, 11/50, or 11/70, I *would* have done it. -dq

25 years, 4 months

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They cant stay here -- Whos wants a TOSHIBA T1200 and/or COMPAQ PORTABLE II?

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi all I ended up with these this weekend and cannot keep these around. I powered them both on, they started up both. Did not go any deeper into testing.... No cracks or missing parts or big scratches....I suppose the rechargeable battery on the T1200 is dead. No original P.S. for the T1200, you need 12VDC@2A or something like that... Any trade offers considered, if you are a regular trader with me you can probably get these free (for shipping?) if you really want one or both... I am still looking for Sparc stuff like IPXes, Sparcs, framebuffers...and SGI stuff...anything NON ibm pc type vintage or semi-recent can possibly interest me... Claude http://www.members.tripod.com/computer_collector or http://computer_collector.tripod.com

25 years, 4 months

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Need documentation on a 2114B HP Computer

by ljcst18+＠pitt.edu

Hello Reader, I work at the University of Pittsburgh Physics department and we have a 2114B HP computer in storage. I tracked down the software for it but I do not have any manuals on how to run the thing. If someone could help me out with an operations manual and maybe an instruction set or something the information would be appreciated. Thanks, Luke Cashdollar

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sol-20 + Helios II system score, plus plea

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Well, sometimes great things just happen when you aren't looking. > > Friday night I got an email from a woman who lives 10 minutes from me. She > was moving and had a Sol-20 with a Helios II disk system and would I want > to take it? !!! > Needless to say, I did. I'm a happy guy. Well, I was before > I got it, so maybe I should say even happier guy. > > There are two problems: although she had about 8 8" floppies, only one of > them appears to be hard-sectored, which I think the helios system > was. Second, although there is a very nice persci manual, the manual > containing the technical information (programming, schematics, theory of > operation) for the two-board disk controller wasn't to be found. I know like Bob Stek and I, you've got a pretty complete collection of SOLUS/Proteus News... have you thought about compiling a list of people who were subscribers, or who wrote in, and contacting them? I know, 20 years later, it's a long shot. Too bad Stan Sokolow got out of it; was it you or Bob who contacted him one month after he dumped all the PTC stuff? Regards, -dq

25 years, 4 months

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Need documentation on a 2114B HP Computer

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I have this: > > A Pocket Guide to Hewlett Packard Computers (early/mid '70s?) > covering the 2116B, 2115A, and 2114A sections: > Specifications and Basic Operation Manual > Assembler Reference Manual > Basic Control System Reference Manual > Fortran Reference Manual > Program Library Reference Manual > BASIC Language Reference Manual Most of these have been scanned and OCR'd and can be found at Jeff Moffat's site: http://oscar.taurus.com/~jeff/hp2100 (that's typed from memory, may be wrong). Of course, someone who has actual hardware might want actual books; since all I've got are simulators, reasonable facsimilies are OK. Regards, -dq

25 years, 4 months

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IRC

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Well IU know Elliott/Ferrante/LEO/English Electric/Marconi all started > combining in the 60's, and that English electric was one of IRC's > victims. I just don't know the exact sequence and whether IRC brought > any of it about. Heh... the Leo I was pretty wild looking! Looks like it was designed by a Hollywood (or Pinewood Studios?) B-movie set designer... guages! At any rate, the Brits get left out of the histories I often see, leading to the mistaken belief we did it ourselves. Regards, -dq

25 years, 4 months

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IRC

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> There's been a discussion of labour/management relations on Rovernet, and > this has led to the Industrial Recovery Corporation. > > Does anyone know if the IRC meddled with the British computer industry, > as they did with the motor industry? Funny... just yesterday, my computing history research took me to Britain; I found the National Archive of Computing History or somtthing like that at Manchester University (and it didn't have a history of computing at Manchester, which was what I was personally looking for), but it did have an interesting online exhibit, and pointers to archives. The URL is stuck in my browser at home, but it shouldn't be too hard to find using Google. Regards, -dq

25 years, 4 months

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DECStation 88

by stefan＠softhome.net

Hi, I was looking for information and possibly a picture of the DECStation 88. Because I have located one in a not too good state, it was outside, but I still want to pick it up anyway, because you never know if something might still work. Anyway, can anybody suply me with any information ? Thanks. Stefan.

25 years, 4 months

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Intecolor Updated Request

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I think I picked up one or two of these power cables last year, they are > definitely old and used. I'll see if I can find them on Monday. > > They are used on Teleray terminals, a Modem tester (with Nixie Tube display) > that I have, etc. Ah, Teleray... I remember these well from my Prime days (they were the only CRT-based terminals we had, everything else was a DECwriter). A sales representative came to our site (we were the Computing Services for the local public school corp), and we explained that since students would be among the users of these terminals, they'd have to be pretty sturdy. Well, we're up on the second floor of this building. The sale droid pulls out a screwdriver, removes the Teleray metal cover (almost all metal boxes IIRC), pulls the CRT and yoke harness, sets them aside, puts the cover back on, and *kicks* it down two flights of stairs. He brought it back up,removed the cover again, replaced the CRT & yoke assembly, put the cover back on, hooked it up, and it worked! "Sold" said my boss... Regards, -dq

25 years, 4 months

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Intecolor Updated Request

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >The ISC Intecolor 8001 is missing the power cable (which is a funky connector I can't > >seem to locate a cord for) and the fuse holder and fuse, which I can't > >identify. You can see the power connector in the lower left and the fuse > >holder in the lower right. > > > >http://asp1.secure-shopping.com/aclifton/intecolor.back.jpg > > > >If anyone can help me locate or can provide the correct power cable, fuse holder > >and fuse for it (assuming it's not a standard fuse type), I would be GREATLY > >appreciative. I'm prepared to pay money for them as I'd really > >like to have this unit going in it's original condition. > > Such the coincidence -- for the last few weeks I've been searching for this > exact power cord -- and now, just this week, I can say I am the proud owner > of one brand new, black, 12' power cable manufactured by Electri-Cord. These power cords used to be typical on stereo equipment. I've got a Sony reel-to-reel recorder that uses one, and also a really old video monitor. Plus, one of my Silent 700s uses this kind of power cord. A store that sells accessories for home appliances might be a good place to check. Regards, -dq

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storing gear and businesses and so on

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

It does bring up a related question. If memory serves, electronic equipment for home use has to have an FCC class C rating, whereas equipment for business only needs to have a class B rating, since nobody is expecting to run TVs, radios, etc nearby (at least in theory). So my question is, if my vaxstation is only class b rated, can I get in trouble having it in my home? (not sure the vaxstation isn't class c rated, it's just an example here.) -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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OT: PC AGP slots

by Demon02554＠aol.com

i had a similar problem to this i have a PII/400 and an ATI Rage Fury Maxx everytime i tried to use any special functions of the graphics card, my computer froze...

25 years, 4 months

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IMSAI EPROMs

by jweder＠telusplanet.com

Tony... Even better idea! Yeah, I was a bit bothered by the idea of hacking this nicely built Godbout EconoROM board. Might just try your idea, though not THIS month! Life is too dang busy! (sigh) Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

25 years, 4 months

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IMSAI EPROMs

by jweder＠telusplanet.com

Thanks to everybody who's replied about how to read these EPROMs. I'll likely be contacting somebody within a couple of weeks to get it done, or I MIGHT get crazy and buy a Data I/O 29B burner (tho I'm not feeling all that wealthy right now!) I like Dick's idea of modifying the board for 2716's after getting the data read out of the 2708's mind you... It'll be interesting to see what's on these dang things. I have an idea one program might be some kind of ham radio software, as I just found some pencilled notes about AFSK and CW outputs to one of the ports. Sure be nice to find BASIC! Joel A. Weder jweder(a)telusplanet.net 403-556-4020

25 years, 4 months

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sol-20 + Helios II system score, plus plea

by frustum＠pacbell.net

Well, sometimes great things just happen when you aren't looking. Friday night I got an email from a woman who lives 10 minutes from me. She was moving and had a Sol-20 with a Helios II disk system and would I want to take it? Needless to say, I did. I'm a happy guy. Well, I was before I got it, so maybe I should say even happier guy. There are two problems: although she had about 8 8" floppies, only one of them appears to be hard-sectored, which I think the helios system was. Second, although there is a very nice persci manual, the manual containing the technical information (programming, schematics, theory of operation) for the two-board disk controller wasn't to be found. So, a few pleas: 1) Does anybody have the technical docs for the P.T. disk controller for the Helios system? 2) Does anybody have any disks images for the Helios? Any disks? Bob Stek was kind enough to supply me with a copy of a listing of the source code for PT-DOS, but OCR'ing and correcting over 200 pages of source code in a very small font might be too much to take on. 3) What should I do with my one disk that might work with this system? 3a) Just try and boot off of it 3b) Try to tune up the persci disk (and maybe make it worse) then boot the disk 3c) Find a service that specializes in recovering data from old disks On 3a, I'm discouraged from doing this as the cabinet is full of dust and spider carcasses. If I do a thorough job cleaning, then perhaps as long as I'm there I should adjust things. On 3b, has anybody done this (back in the day)? Is it for mere mortals, or does it really require special skills to prevent making things even worse? On 3c, does anybody know how much that costs for doing just one disk? Ten disks? Are there any risks of the disk getting trashed? My ultimate hope is to get PT-DOS running on Solace. I know it is a pain to dig out old docs, but if you have them, please contact me and I'll try to work out something with you to make it worth the effort. (BTW, a few weeks ago I updated Solace to fix a few bugs and add a few minor features -- it is at version 2.3 now: http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/sol.html http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/solace/solace.html ) Thanks. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

25 years, 4 months

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Intecolor Updated Request

by elf＠ucsd.edu

Previously you wrote: [Sat, 9 Jun 2001 19:11:15 -0500] >The ISC Intecolor 8001 is missing the power cable (which is a funky >connector I can't >seem to locate a cord for) and the fuse holder and fuse, which I can't >identify. You can see the power connector in the lower left and the fuse >holder in the lower right. > >http://asp1.secure-shopping.com/aclifton/intecolor.back.jpg > >If anyone can help me locate or can provide the correct power cable, fuse >holder >and fuse for it (assuming it's not a standard fuse type), I would be GREATLY >appreciative. I'm prepared to pay money for them as I'd really >like to have this unit going in it's original condition. > Such the coincidence -- for the last few weeks I've been searching for this exact power cord -- and now, just this week, I can say I am the proud owner of one brand new, black, 12' power cable manufactured by Electri-Cord. (...you know how it is -- you're searching for something real mundane -- thinking you'll find it in the first place you look. After multiple failed attempts, and before you know it, you're on a mission to find what has become anything but mundane - and more like the crown jewel of your collection. Passionate about a power cord? ...but you don't understand - this isn't just "any" power cord! :P) I recently added a Computer Devices, Inc. Miniterm 1203a portable printing terminal to my collection -- and sho 'nuff -- when it arrived -- no power cable. If you need one - contact me off list & I'll see if they're still available (I believe they are.) Eric F.

25 years, 4 months

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DEC Searchings

by SPEDRAJA＠mail.ono.es

Hello from Spain. I give all of you a little list of DEC old items I'm searching actually: * VT100\VT102 terminals (until FOUR) with cables. * VT52 terminals (until FOUR) with cables. * TU58 tape unit with cables. * External tabletop DEC rack or support structure for 19" items. * RX02 disquette units cabinet with two disquette units + controller + cables * RL01/02 disk unit (TWO) + controller + cables * One paper tape reader/puncher * One card reader/puncher * One LA100 or similar terminal/printer In CPU's chapter... * One VAX-11 of little size, with disk and tape unit (and even better with diskette unit(s) ). * One PDP-8 cpu minimally operative * One UNIBUS PDP system minimally operative. If somebody has this items in Europe and with 220 volts power supply unit it would be better. With spanish keyboard it would be wonderful, but not imprescindible. I know about shipping cost matters, but is not neccesary to locate and ship all items at same time, etc. You can contact in my e-mail address. Thanks for all and best regards ---------- Sergio Pedraja Santander Spain ---------- mailto: spedraja(a)ono.com ----------

25 years, 4 months

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All states have had tornadoes, some just more than others

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Today I drove through Pleasant Hill, Missouri, the site of one of NOAA's weather radar units. Large radar dome on a stand, it's pretty neat to see the radar track of a severe storm, especially when I'm within 7 miles of the radar. I can go online on the cable modem and watch the storm real-time >from the NOAA radar. When the neighbor's boat and dock flipped upside down into the yard I knew the wind was howling. It's only a tornado if the house explodes and there's not much left standing. Straight-line winds are more common. I tried to tour the place during an open house but the line was 1/2 mile long. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

25 years, 4 months

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Books on ebay

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Have a set of 8 really good TAB books that are part of my "collection" that are going together in one lot.... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1245390182

25 years, 4 months

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OT: PC AGP slots

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, this is seriously off-topic, but I know someone around here has to know, and I'm not sure where else to ask. Can you put a AGP 2x or 4x card in a system that only has a plain AGP slot? I've got a PII/333 in a 440LX system I'd like to put something like an ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon card into. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

25 years, 4 months

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Booting RSX-11M On A PDP-11/34

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 10, 11:35, Owen Robertson wrote: > I got the system as a whole. Everything came from the same person, except > for the LA120, which I bought refurbished from a local dealer. I think the > communications settings have to be correct, because I get the register > printout, and when I send an ASCII character to the LA120 through the > programmer's console, it prints out correctly. Assuming you have a standard DL11-E or DL11-W, you do have the settings correct. Some third party serial cards (and some DEC multiplexers) have software-programmable baud rate, but not the standard DL11s. It's possible that RSX is faking the parity, but that would be easy to check by setting the LA120 to 7E1 (or, less likely, 7bits, odd parity, one stop bit). > I'm not sure I have all the right packs mounted, because > A) I only have 2 of the 3 drives connected, and > B) the labels on a lot of the packs are faded, or have come off > completely. The RSX-11M version is 3.1. The system has 8 (I think) > additional serial > lines. I have lots of software manuals, but other than the processor > handbook, I have no hardware documentation. How many RL01 packs does an > average RSX-11M installation use? If you have a non-bootable pack mounted it should print a message on the console and then halt. Or maybe just halt (I can't remember for 3.1). If you have a bootable pack, it should boot (not surprisingly!) and print stuff on the console but it might complain about hardware being offline if you don't have the same setup it was built for (eg missing serial lines or missing disk packs). A normal RSX 3.1 installation would use 2 x RL01 or 2 x RL02. Fitting a useful system into a pair of RL01s is a bit of a squeeze, and building one like that is a pain, which might explain why you have three drives. > Also - do the drive numbers (0,1,2...) > depend soley on the order they are connected in? They don't depend at all on the order they're connected in. The depend only on the unit select plug (the white one with the number on it) plugged in to the front panel of the drive. Usually the system would boot from drive 0. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

25 years, 4 months

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Booting RSX-11M On A PDP-11/34

by univac2＠earthlink.net

I have pretty much no experience with DEC systems, or at least PDP-11s anyway. I have an 11/34 with three RL01 drives (only two are connected). The system works fine, I get the register printout on the console LA120, and I can examine, deposite, etc. When I put the RSX-11M pack in the RL01 drive, and ready it, I don't get any fault ligtht or anything. When I get everything set up, I tell the system to boot from drive 0. The light on the drive flashes rapidly, and I can hear it spinning. Then I get a lot of line feeds on the console, along with a few seemingly random characters, usually lower case Rs, Ss, and Ms. So, if anyone can tell me what I am doing wrong, or what I need to be doing, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Owen

25 years, 4 months

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QBus spec manual scans

by rcini＠optonline.net

Someone contacted me about scans of the QBus hardware manual scans. Before I dig the book out of storage and begin scanning it, I thought that I'd ask and see if someone else has scanned it already. If someone does, can you send me a pointer to it. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

25 years, 4 months

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Talking 'bout shakin & quakin

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Actually all of the planning I have seen in Missouri about a major earthquake around New Madrid fault or St. Louis results in major casualties being sent all the way to Indianapolis. There are very few burn patient beds available nationwide. I felt a weak earthquake in St. Louis in about 1978. I though my alarm went off early or it could have been the F-104's on afterburner. I don't know why everybody gets crazy, the last tornado alert I took a bottle of wine down to the basement and played some pool. If it hits that's the breaks. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

25 years, 4 months

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Intecolor Updated Request

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

The power connector takes what we used to call an 'adding machine' linecord. These things surface at thrifts. I haven't seen one in awhile; but then again I haven't looked, either. I could probably locate one if no one else has it . . . The fuseholder I'm not sure; kinda hard to tell from the pix-- but it looks to me like the sort that used standard 'buss' glass fuses. . . . Jeff On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 19:11:15 -0500 "Anthony Clifton - Retrocomputing.com" <vaxcat(a)retrocomputing.com> writes: > > [Message sent to classiccmp and carbon-copied to Carl Friend.] > > Hmmmm... > > The ISC Intecolor 8001 is missing the power cable (which is a funky > connector I can't > seem to locate a cord for) and the fuse holder and fuse, which I > can't > identify. You can see the power connector in the lower left and > the fuse > holder in the lower right. > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

25 years, 4 months

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Usenet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On June 6, Jeff Hellige wrote: > Geez....Microsoft created over 300 new newsgroups in the last day.... As if it's not bad enough that those idiots have set our industry back about fifteen years. NOW they're wasting bandwidth on top of it! -Dave McGuire

25 years, 4 months

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IBM 5150 key board

by Cliffatpms＠aol.com

I got your address from witchy(a)vorbis.demon.co.uk (Adrian Graham) who thinks you can help me out. I need to buy an IBM 5150 keyboard for an exhibition. AG thinks you can help. I need it in 10 days in the UK. Regards, Cliff

25 years, 4 months

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FS: Trakker 350 tape drive

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Have a Colorado (HP) Trakker 350 tape drive that's excess I need to sell as I've recently had to go to 3 gb tape due to expansion. If you have a broken Trakker drive or need to upgrade your present 250 to an increased size drive this works as a great replacement. Just the external drive, no power supply or cables though. $5.00 plus applicable USPS shipping cost - weighs about 4 lbs. Email me direct at rhblake(a)bigfoot.com if interested

25 years, 4 months

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Subject: Lilith schematics anyone ?

by ken＠seefried.com

> From: "jos.mar" <jos.mar(a)bluewin.ch> > Subject: Lilith schematics anyone ? > > I just took possession of a Lilith workstation, including two diskpacks > and some spare boards..... Now *that* is a real prize! I'm very envious. I would suggest you contact Dr. Wirth (wirth(a)inf.ethz.ch) directly and as him about this. Since he designed them, I assume he could help you. Ken Seefried, CISSP

25 years, 4 months

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Proteon P4200 and Suminet 3500H/FDDI

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jun 9, 10:13, Brian Hechinger wrote: > On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:50:58AM +0000, Pete Turnbull wrote: > it's got DAS FDDI on the system board, a Dual AUI ethernet card and a > token-ring card. each card has a set of status lights (couple leds in a row > numbered starting from 0) and the DB-25 on the system board. Well, you've obviously worked out what the ports are, and I doubt I can add anything to that. > > for the serial port, I'd expect it is indeed a console line, and you've > > just got the wrong baud rate. Or it's Japanese! > > well, hmmmmm. i've tried a handful of rates/settings and haven't come up with > much, tried straight through and roll-over, nothing works for me. if it's in > japanese i have no idea what to expect output to look like on a non japanese > terminal (if i added japanese support to solaris would tip be able to take > advantage of that??) i can plug the thing in and show you the garbage i get > at 9600 8n1 if you'd like. No, sounds like you've started where I would have. I'd have guessed most likely speed as 9600, 19200, and 1200. If you get garbage, you probably have the Rx/Tx round the right way, and I expect you've tried the comon speeds. I doubt if tip has Japanese support and it probably wouldn't help anyway. I wonder if it's worth snooping on either of the Ethernet ports? I wonder if it tries to bootp when it starts up? That might provide a way in. > On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:50:58AM +0000, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > I still haven't quite got my own FDDI up and running, partly due to a > > faulty SAS card in one of my SGIs. If anyone has any surplus FDDI boards > > for SGI kit, especially GIO DAS, or any surplus *small* bridges or routers, > > I'd be interested to hear from you... > > nope, don't have any of that, sorry. finally got my FDDI ring into a sane > state. DAS backbone ring with all the network equipment hanging off of that. > all the sun boxes (that can support it anyway) have SAS FDDI cards and hook > into a 3Com FDDI Hub. Sounds pretty cool. All I have is a Netbuilder with a DAS card set (and some AUIs and 10baseFL), and two SAS cards for my Indys. Hard to build a proper ring with SAS :-( > -brian (who has too many machine, most of them LARGE) Pete has, too :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Subject: Re: Storage of computer and parts in the residential are a

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> What we really need is a lending library and a central repository for > classic computer equipment. The obvious solution is to go underground. [..snip..] > How about decommissioned missile silo? A recent episode of 60 Minutes or one of its clones howed a guy out west (relative to Indiana) who's bought a silo and is living in it. Only in America... -dq

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Storage of computer and parts in the residential area

by lance＠costanzo.net

At 07:14 AM 6/8/01 -0700, you wrote: >Mike, > >I'd be interested to see what Orange Municipal Code 17.14.050(H) says. H. Home Occupations. A home occupation is one carried on in a dwelling as a secondary use, where there are no displays or signs at or upon the premises, no other commodity or services are sold upon the premises and no storage of materials and/or supplies upon those premises except within the dwelling or an enclosed garage. Where storage will take place within an enclosed garage, such storage shall be conducted in such a manner so as not to interfere with the parking of vehicles therein. Any materials and/or supplies which are stored upon the premises shall not occupy a space in excess of 500 cubic feet. Such an occupation shall not: 1. Create light, noise, odor, dust, vibration, fumes or smoke readily discernible at the exterior boundaries of the parcel. 2. Involve the use of mechanical equipment or storage of material and/or supplies on trucks in amounts not recognized as part of reasonable household use. 3. Involve the use of services at the premises of non-occupants of the dwelling in any manner; provided, however, that deliveries made by bona fide delivery firms shall be permitted, as long as such deliveries are in amounts or performed in a manner recognized as part of a reasonable household use. 4. Have the premises or adjacent public right-of-way serve as an assembly point for non-occupants, including serving as a location from which such non-occupants are dispatched to off-site locations. 5. Significantly increase the off-street parking load. 6. Involve the storage or use of flammable substances as defined by the Uniform Fire Code, Section 15.101 et. seq., or hazardous chemicals as defined by the Uniform Fire Code, Section 19.101, et. seq. 7. Involve the sale of firearms or ammunition except to those set forth in California Penal Code Section 12078. Records shall be kept for a minimum of one year on the sales of firearms. Information on these records shall include: a. Date of purchase. b. Name, address, phone number, driver's license number and date of birth of the person buying any firearms. c. Brand name, model number and serial number of firearm purchased. 8. Involve the sale, preparation, or storage of food or food products. (Ords. 12-95; 3-93; 4-87; 17-84; 15-80; 12-80; 35-79; 43-69; 15-69: Prior Codes 17.10.030, 17.26.010 and 17.04.290) look it up: http://www.ordlink.com/codes/orange/index.htm >Somehow, I suspect that they're wanting you to admit you are carrying on a >business so that they can then tell you what you can and cannot do. and they're looking for revenue. I would make sure all your goodies are clean and reasonably organized, put as much stuff as possible into one 'work area', take some pics, go down to city hall with the letter and ask to speak to a city planner. When I applied for a home business permit, I talked to a planner so I'd guess that Orange would have a similar structure. Explain to them its a hobby and not a business, its not a nusaince activity (except for the trespassing that's occured by your neighbor), and ask them what you should do. >From my experience, building and planning guys are pretty reasonable. >My first reaction is that you don't want to go that route, but rather that >you want to call it your hobby and exercise your freedom to spend your >leisure as you wish. >Do they persecute ham radio operators, satellite dish owners, book lovers, >and plant aficionados too? > >I have a friend who lives in Irvine. She's not even allowed to park her >car on the street or in front of her garage. It has to be >enclosed. However, she chose that lifestyle, but it seems excessively neat >and tidy to me. > >I've got loads of stuff in the City of LA adjacent to Culver City. No one >has bothered me yet, except my ex-, but that was years ago. > >Good luck, and keep us informed. > >Best, >Nick > > >

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SB Systems Z-80 Starter Kit

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Mike Kenzie <KenzieM(a)sympatico.ca> >It doesn't have the S-100 sockets, are these still >available? Fairly easy to get still. They are not called s100 sockets. Not cheap, figure 3-10$ each. >What cards are supported? Presumeably if the bus is S100 a great many of the S100 cards save for CPUs (though slaves may work). >Does anyone else have one working? Not I. Allison

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Proteon P4200 and Suminet 3500H/FDDI

by wonko＠tmok.com

hmm, i haven't bothered this list about these yet, this may be a good place. i've gotten absolutely nowhere with these things. friend of mine found docs for the P4200 where he works, so i've pretty much got all the knowledge i need to make it work, sadly i lack an OS. if anyone at all has a copy of the OS for the Proteon P4200 please let me know, this thing is completely useless to me otherwise. i have found absolutely nothing out about the Suminet though. i can't find docs for it, actually i can find very little about this thing on the internet. if anyone has any info whatsoever, please let me know, it's got a serial port that looks like it would be a console, but it only prints the same line over and over (i'd have to hook it up to get a copy of the line) and it's nothing intelligable. any help at all would be great!!! cheers, -brian

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Old computer lending library

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> This is not a bad idea at all. And not the first time it's been suggested. Sellam, was it you who brought this up before? -dq

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SB Systems Z-80 Starter Kit

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

I picked up on of these this evening with the manual. I found some mention of a previous discussion on this list regarding these, but couldn't find any conclusions. It doesn't have the S-100 sockets, are these still available? What cards are supported? Does anyone else have one working? I also picked up a modem for a Commodore 64, and RAM expansion and a hyperion and all it's documentation. Collector of Vintage Computers

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